Abortion Comes To Ireland…

Abortion Comes To Ireland…

foetusThe Government has finalised the text of the landmark abortion legislation.

The final legislation is not changed substantially from the earlier draft but the wording does:

 increase the number of hospitals where abortions can be carried out;

 alter what psychiatrists will be involved in assessments of suicidal pregnant women;

 narrow the definition of the criminal offence of carrying out an illegal abortion;

 allows the revoking of the licence of hospitals not following the guidelines.   Read more…

Who would have believed it?  An Irish Government passing legislation to butcher unborn babies in their mothers’ wombs – legislation that is even worse than the abortion law in the UK, and that’s saying something.

Enda Kenny defends his unconscionable promotion of this evil law by arguing that he is a “Catholic not a Catholic Taoiseach”.  It will be interesting to see how that particular novel interpretation of Canon Law is received on Judgment Day.

In the meantime, we expect Mr Kenny’s Parish Priest to enforce Canon 915 – assuming that Kenny has the temerity to keep up the appearance of being a Catholic by attending Mass in his local parish. Apparently, he’s been receiving 100 letters a day objecting to the abortion legislation but will these same pro-lifers write letters to Kenny’s parish priest and bishop demanding the enforcement of Canon Law because Kenny is a very public sinner and so, in fidelity to Canon 915, he must not be allowed to receive Holy Communion?

And so say all of us?

Comments (79)

  • Leo

    Thanks for that, Petrus.

    It seems the agenda is the same everywhere. Priests and religious really are sitting ducks nowadays, when it comes to malicious allegations. I often think that if those sound of mind, who are proven to have attempted to detroy an innocent person’s reputation, were to receive the sentence handed down for the alleged crime we would see a rather significant drop in the number of unfounded allegations. I daresay there are legal details to contend with here, but it’s an idea.

    It’s certainly good those nuns had their good names vindicated, but I think it’s impossible to undo all the damage.

    June 15, 2013 at 11:35 pm
  • Leo

    While the subject of this thread might appear to be of direct interest only to those living under the Kenny politburo, I think there are some closely related issues that tie in with the post Conciliar catastrophe everywhere. The defense of the unborn is the same war as that against apostasy from the Faith as well as that against contraception, embryo research, divorce, euthanasia, corruption of children in schools, and state enforced celebration of perversion.
    (By the way in a list of Kenny’s kulturkampf agenda in a previous post, I omitted to mention the State’s creepy move to usurp the role of parents by means of the recent Children’s Referendum.)

    The points I had in mind, that appear to crop up everywhere, time and time again, are Collegiality, the role of the laity, the graces obtained through the Mass, and the Social Kingship of Christ.

    It looks like the Vatican II novelty of Collegiality is going to hinder or restrain any Bishop who wants to show real Catholic leadership in Ireland right now, as in other countries. I don’t think it should at all, but that’s what appears to happen. On the specific question of canon 915, what exactly is so difficult to understand about Saint Paul’s words in I Corinthians 11: 27-29? Do bishops and priests really want to risk aiding and abetting those “guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord”?

    By the way, Bishop Seamus Freeman of Ossory deserves a mention for leading a Rosary Rally for Life and Benediction in Kilkenny last Saturday. I was told that the original plan was to have a street procession. However permission for two proposed routes was reportedly refused by the boys in blue. Hearsay that may be, but if true, it shows how far we have fallen.

    Post Conciliar talk of the role of the laity and “the people of God” must be the longest playing record of all time. In Ireland, as everywhere else no doubt, evidence of effective Catholic Action is distinctly lacking. What have Catholics parents and those in the professions, in education, in medicine and healthcare, in business, in banking, in the media, in politics been up to for the last five decades? This is where their Catholic Faith is supposed to be bearing fruit, not in trying to chip away at the unique, irreplaceable, God given role of priests in their parishes.

    Apathy, ignorance and gullibility on the part of modern day Catholics are proving to be great assets to the minions of Lucifer.

    “In our time more than ever before, the chief strength of the wicked lies in the cowardice and weakness of good men…All the strength of satan’s reign is due to the easing-going weakness of Catholics.”- Pope Saint Pius X, Discourse at the Beatification of Saint Joan of Arc, December 13, 1908.

    The usual caveat about judging souls certainly applies, but I’m convinced that a very significant element in the current failure to repel the forces of evil is a withdrawal of graces resulting from the virtual suppression of the Mass of All Time throughout the world. That might sound like strong tobacco, but it’s based on my experience of a lot of novus ordo Catholics, even those amongst the dwindling number of Irish Catholics that still go to Mass on Sunday.

    Lastly, the deliberate amnesia concerning, if not outright rejection of, the Social Kingship of Christ is without doubt central to the luciferian agenda being inflicted in what was once Christendom. This whole masonic secularism and “authority comes from the people” line inevitably leads to the depths of depravity that the world is now plumbing. What “the people” can be persuaded to judge to be morally acceptable suddenly becomes the norm.

    Enda Kenny’s crass remarks not being a Catholic prime minister demonstrate the extent of the progress the French Revolution’s satanic agenda.

    June 15, 2013 at 11:47 pm
  • Yorkshire Rose

    Abortion in Ireland – why are you all in hysterics, it was only a matter of time surely! Could I respectfully suggest that we all turn our attention, and prayers, to someone who CAN help with all this – namely Fr William Doyle. Fr Doyle saw death and destruction in all its horror on the battlefield of WW1. This is now being repeated in abortion in our own times; along with many other immoralities. And all foretold by Our Lady at Fatima. Once again, Fr Doyle’s details can be found on: http://www.fatherdoyle.com. emails to: frwilliedoyle@gmail.com. This saintly Irish Priest can do much – and we can do nothing, except pray to him.

    June 16, 2013 at 2:23 am
    • Petrus

      Yorkshire Rose,

      I don’t know anything about the priest you refer to, but I will check out the link.

      However, I disagree entirely that the rest of us can do nothing except support that priest. Doesn’t make any sense to me.

      June 16, 2013 at 12:17 pm
      • Yorkshire Rose

        Hello, Well, I am very dedicated to promoting the cause of Father William Doyle, S.J., and I would, respectfully, request your kind attention to the web details that I have given here. Of course, we must ‘work as if everything depends upon us, and ‘pray as if everything depends upon God’. Also, I am very fond of the quote by the Irish Philosopher, Edmund Burke: “For evil to triumph, all that is necessary is for good people to do nothing”. I have, of course, signed the petition organised by the Editor, and I would welcome any other practical measures of a similar nature. However, it is very easy (especially on blogs) to get ‘carried away’, and I sometimes wonder if the time spent thus, would be better spent in prayer. Wishing upon my homeland (Ireland) the ardent blessing of Father Doyle, and same for all here, dear folks.

        June 18, 2013 at 8:22 pm
    • editor

      Yorkshire Rose,

      to do nothing but pray is ALWAYS wrong. Even contemplative religious do not spend the entire day praying. They have to work, and they do their work for the purpose of winning grace for souls – the objective of any true apostolate.

      I’m astonished that this error persists – that only prayer is necessary – when, if that were true, the Incarnation itself would have been totally unnecessary.

      We cannot shrug off the butchery of the unborn children in the womb on the grounds that we can do nothing about it but “pray” – it is, in fact, a very strange kind of prayer which results in inaction.

      June 16, 2013 at 2:08 pm
  • pius x

    The Irish Taoiseach in the 1950s John Costello said ‘I am a Catholic first and Irish second, and I fully adhere to the teachings laid down by the authoritative figures of my Church’. And so say all of us?

    It’s a shame Kenny doesn’t think that way, and I bet Costello, De Valera O’ Kelly are spinning in their graves. Do you think Glasnevin Cemetery is trembling? Youbetcha.

    Pius X

    June 16, 2013 at 11:55 am
  • pius x

    Mayo is in the Archdiocese of Tuam, and here are contact details for Priests.


    That’s all I can find. Are there any Irish people on this blog? If so can I ask if many young people still attend Mass in ROI, and how have they received abortion and gay ‘marriage’ plans in ROI? We hear all these horror stories young people leaving the Church in droves. That’s not the case in Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, there are Masses at 9am, 11am and 6.30pm and the church is packed with barely a grey head in site. The fact is Catholicism is the fastest growing Church in England and Wales.

    Pius X

    June 16, 2013 at 12:17 pm
  • j.kearney

    But what you fail to understand is that Enda Kenny as a good Catholic has read Section 30 of Gaudium et Spes, which tells him that he must work for the Common Good. Common as you know means `an overall agreement`. Many Catholic politician have seized on this `teaching` of Vatican II and began to separate their position as a Catholic believer from their job as a politician. They separate Church and State. So what they hold privately they must not impose upon their constituents so they leave their `conscience` at the door when they enter Parliament. This we call the Church in the Modern World. Now I know there are many who will argue, no, the Document did not mean that, but that is how it has been widely interpreted.

    June 16, 2013 at 1:18 pm
    • Firmiter

      Sorry, but since when did the adjective ‘common’ mean ‘an overall agreement’.

      The OED defines ‘common’ as ‘shared by, coming from, or done by two or more people, groups, or things: E.g, the two republics’ common border, problems common to both communities.’

      The expression has rather a long history, not least in the Catholic Church. The following is taken from the Wikipedia article on the Common Good:

      ‘One of the earliest references in Christian literature to the concept of the common good is found in the Epistle of Barnabas: “Do not live entirely isolated, having retreated into yourselves, as if you were already [fully] justified, but gather instead to seek together the common good.”
      The concept is strongly present in Augustine of Hippo’s magnum opus City of God. Book XIX of this, the main locus of Augustine’s normative political thought, is focused on the question, ‘Is the good life social?’ In other words, ‘Is human wellbeing found in the good of the whole society, the common good?’ Chapters 5-17 of Book XIX address this question. Augustine’s emphatic answer is yes (see start of chap. 5).
      Augustine’s understanding was taken up and, under the influence of Aristotle, developed by Thomas Aquinas. Aquinas’s conception of the common good became standard in Roman Catholic moral theology.
      Against that background, the common good became a central concept in the modern tradition of Catholic social teaching, beginning with the foundational document, Rerum Novarum, a papal encyclical by Pope Leo XIII, issued in 1891. This addressed the crisis of the conditions of industrial workers in Europe and argued for a position different from both laissez-faire capitalism and socialism. In this letter, Pope Leo guarantees the right to private property while insisting on the role of the state to require a living wage.
      Contemporary Catholic social teaching on the common good is summarised in the 2004 Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church, chapter 4, part II. Quoting the Second Vatican Council document, Gaudium et Spes (1965), this says, “According to its primary and broadly accepted sense, the common good indicates ‘the sum total of social conditions which allow people, either as groups or as individuals, to reach their fulfilment more fully and more easily'” (#164, quoting Gaudium et Spes, #26; italics original).
      The Compendium later gives statements that communicate what can be seen as a partly different sense of the concept – as not only “social conditions” that enable persons to reach fulfilment, but as the end of goal of human life. “[T]he common good [is] the good of all people and of the whole person… The human person cannot find fulfilment in himself, that is, apart from the fact that he exists “with” others and “for” others” (#165; italics original). “The goal of life in society is in fact the historically attainable common good” (#168).
      The Roman Catholic International Theological Commission drew attention to these two partly different understandings of the common good in its 2009 publication, In Search of a Universal Ethic: A New Look at the Natural Law. It referred to them as “two levels” of the common good.
      Another relevant document is Veritatis Splendor, a papal encyclical by Pope John Paul II, issued in 1993 to combat the relaxation of moral norms and the political corruption (see Paragraph 98) that affects millions of persons. In this letter, Pope John Paul describes the characteristics and virtues that political leadership should require, which are truthfullness, honesty, fairness, temperance and solidarity (as described in paragraph 98 to 100), given that truth extends from honesty, good faith, and sincerity in general, to agreement with fact or reality in particular.
      As an ethical and moral imperative, the common good can be seen as central to the tenets of many religious faiths. What it requires in practice can be succinctly described as doing unto others as we would wish done unto ourselves (known as The Golden Rule; cf. Matthew 7:12).

      June 17, 2013 at 9:30 pm
  • Leo

    Yorkshire Rose

    No personal offence meant at all, but I have to say I was very surprised at your use of the word “hysterics” in relation to the discussion here. Certainly, I think there has been a lot of justifiable anger expressed, anger that is directed at the deceit and deception of the Irish government, media and abortion lobby and also the lack of collective resolute action by the Irish bishops. There certainly hasn’t been a popular cry for abortion from the Irish people. Rather just apathy.

    I know it’s not necessary to state we are all agreed here on the moral evil of abortion, but really, what’s happening now is worthy of righteous anger. If this legislation passes I’d feel inclined to shred my Irish passport. The stain of shame on this country will never be fully erased.

    Certainly, abortion is available a short flight away from Dublin. Marie Stopes are already peddling their evil trade and referral business in the centre of the city. The drive for abortion has been on for decades, and has really gained momentum since the flawed Supreme Court ruling on the X case in which no psychiatric evidence was presented. I think the crucial evidence came from a sex therapist who worked or had worked for the IFPA, the Irish “franchise” of the international murder machine, Planned Parenthood.

    Ever since that ruling in 1992, which was completely at odds with the wishes of the anti-abortion wishes of the Irish people expressed in a referendum nine previously, the Irish Prolife movement has feared that it was the crack in the wall protecting the right to life, and that that crack would be prised wider and wider. Those fears are now being realised.

    I know that Catholic minorities in many other countries were powerless to stop the abortion juggernaut but in Ireland the situation was a great deal more favourable to the right to life of the unborn, as a result of the 1983 referendum. An international lawyer who has worked on dismantling that protection in the European Courts has described Ireland as the “jewel in the crown” of the international prolife cause. That constitutional example to other countries, and Ireland’s superior maternal health record are the reason there has been such an unrelenting, determined campaign to break down the protection surrounding the unborn.

    I also believe that over the last five decades, satanic forces have given Ireland the full treatment.

    As for abortion being inevitable, Irish abortionists and their political pawns have clearly had no faith in their ability to introduce this grave moral evil by means of honest talking and even-handed national debate, or balanced coverage in the media. The Irish people have been engulfed in a tsunami of sheer lies, deception and corruption of language on the part of politicians and the abortion lobby. The father of lies has certainly played a central role.

    As an aside, I can recall one well known cancer consultant, who happens to sit in the Senate (the upper chamber of the legislature) comparing an embryo to a sperm or a cancer cell, when writing for a Sunday newspaper! And he presumed to make patronising remarks about Prolife advocates!

    Thank you, Yorkshire Rose, for once again reminding everyone of Father William Doyle SJ. I’ve no doubt whatsoever, that you will agree that the great Jesuit would never, ever have imagined the possibility of his countrymen legislating for abortion. At this stage it has to be said that the prospects of winning the political battle appear to be diminishing, so public prayers led by the Bishops and clergy is absolutely essential, along with action over the next few weeks.

    It’s now very much a supernatural battle. But then again it was ever thus.

    June 16, 2013 at 3:11 pm
  • Leo


    That’s a very good point you make about the separation of Church and State and individual Catholic politician’s split personality when it comes to obeying divine law and the enactment of civil laws that contravene the law of God.

    So- called Catholic politicians (surely Catholics in name only) in the US have been giving displays of spectacular moral and mental gymnastics for quite a while now.

    The thought hadn’t occurred to me that Enda Kenny would know the names of the Vatican II documents, let alone read any extract. Then again, his handlers may well have sniffed out a suitable sounding alibi. Certainly, in Kenny’s infamous parliamentary speech of July 2011 which undoubtedly slandered Pope Benedict, use was made (completely and grotesquely out of context) of a 1998 Instruction from the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith concerning the work of theologians. The Vatican’s refutation made a very small man of Kenny.

    June 16, 2013 at 3:43 pm
  • editor

    At the suggestion of a Scots reader, we’ve launched a petition on our website calling on the Vatican to insist on the application of Canon Law # 915 in every parish. You can read and sign the petition here

    Please spread the link far and wide.

    June 16, 2013 at 5:21 pm
  • Leo

    “Not only private individuals but also rulers and princes are bound to give public honour and obedience to Christ…Christ, who has been cast out of public life, despised, neglected and ignored, will most severely avenge these insults; for his kingly dignity demands that the State should take account of the commandments of God and of Christian principle both in making laws and in administering justice, and also in providing for the young a sound moral education.” – Pope Pius XI, Quas Primas, #35

    Instead of reading all the ego boosting flattery from the atheistic, abortionist, antichrists in the media, Enda Kenny, and every other politicial leader in fact, would do well to read the above words slowly, and repeatedly.

    The world’s revolt against the Social Kingship of Christ and the Church’s post Conciliar apparent refusal to defend it is central to explaining the current crisis in which the world is almost overcome by an epidemic of evil. Unfortunately words such as the above have become unfamiliar to modern day Catholics. I doubt if Quas Primas is cited anywhere in the Vatican II documents while separation of Church and State now appears to be taken for granted.

    The following rather long list of quotations from magisterial documents is not meant to test anyone’s attention span. They all, in effect, say the very same thing. One or two might be of use in future discussions. The reason I’ve put them all in is to show the unambiguous and crystal clear words of five pre- Conciliar Popes, and give an illustration of genuine continuity in papal teaching.

    “Nor can We predict happier times for religion and government from the plans of those who desire vehemently to separate the Church from the state…”- Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos, #20

    Pius IX condemned as false the proposition that, “In the present day it is no longer expedient that the Catholic religion should be held as the only religion of the State, to the exclusion of all other forms of worship.” – Syllabus of Errors, #77

    “For, since God is the source of all goodness and justice, it is absolutely ridiculous that the State should pay no attention to these laws or render them abortive by contrary enactments. Besides, those who are in authority owe it to the commonwealth not only to provide for its external well-being and the conveniences of life, but still more to consult the welfare of men’s souls in the wisdom of their legislation.”- Pope Leo XIII, Libertas Praestantissimum #18

    “…all the arguments by which We disprove the principle of separation of Church and State are conclusive; with this super-added, that it is absurd the citizen should respect the Church, while the State may hold her in contempt.” – Ibid, #39

    “As a consequence, the State, constituted as it is, is clearly bound to act up to the manifold and weighty duties linking it to God, by the public profession of religion…So, too, is it a sin for the State not to have care for religion as a something beyond its scope, or as of no practical benefit; or out of m any forms of religion to adopt that one which chimes in with the fancy; for we are bound absolutely to worship God in that way He has shown to be His will.”- Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei, #6

    “She (the Church) would bring forth more abundant fruits if, in addition to liberty, she enjoyed the favour of the laws and the patronage of the public authority.” – Pope Leo XIII, Longinque Oceani, #6

    “That the State must be separated from the Church is a thesis absolutely false, a most pernicious error…”- Pope Saint Pius X, Vehementer Nos, #3

    “Besides this thesis is an obvious negation of the supernatural order.”- ibid

    “This thesis (that the Church is not acknowledged by the State and her teachings given their place in the life of the State) inflicts great injury on society itself, for it cannot either prosper ore last long when due place is not left for religion, which is the supreme rule and the sovereign mistress in all questions touching the rights and the duties of men.” – ibid

    “We shall not delay here to repeat that it is a serious error to affirm that this separation (of Church from State) is licit and good and itself.”- Pope Pius XI, Delectissima Nobis, #6

    “When once men recognise, both in private and in public life, that Christ is King, society will at last receive the great blessings of real liberty, well-ordered discipline, peace and harmony.” – Pope Pius XI, Quas Primas, #19

    “If, therefore, the rulers of nations wish to preserve their authority, to promote and increase the prosperity of their countries, they will not neglect the public duty of reverence and obedience to the rule of Christ.” – Pope Pius XI, Quas Primas, #31

    Lest anyone is misled towards any illusions of knowledge and homework on the part of yours truly, it should be added that the above quotes are taken from a very informative and comprehensive essay by David Palm which can be found on the Seattle Catholic website. Here’s the link to the essay:


    There are a lot of excellent traditionalist essays to found on the site.

    Please also remember the two articles by John Ingram on this subject in the Newsletters of March and May last year.

    June 16, 2013 at 6:02 pm
  • Leo

    Excellent job on the petition, Editor.

    June 16, 2013 at 6:10 pm
    • editor

      Thank you, kind Sir. Cheque in post!

      June 16, 2013 at 6:57 pm
      • Leo

        All sterling, cheque or cash, very gratefully accepted, Editor.

        Might need some again sometime.

        June 16, 2013 at 7:38 pm
  • teigitur

    People should look at the RTE news tonight . Mr Kenny was heckled by “200” ( it was at least double) people at a function today . Its now affecting his diary he says……unreal. About to start killing the unborn and he complains about his diary. Hopefully the pro-life people of Ireland will not give him a seconds peace. BTW I reckon he is being told to enact this legislation by Brussels. Moral coward.

    June 16, 2013 at 8:39 pm
    • editor

      Too bad about Kenny’s diary. The babies who will die as a result of his legislation won’t have the luxury of keeping a diary, not even for one day.

      As for this “Brussels is to blame” – absolute tosh. As you say, teigitur, that is sheer moral cowardice. There must be a word akin to “no” that they understand in Brussels. Yes?

      June 16, 2013 at 11:01 pm
      • Firmiter

        You are right, but only up to a point.

        Remember when Ireland voted against the EU Constitution and Bruxelles made her hold another referendum so the Irish could correct their ‘mistake’, which they obediently did.

        Ireland is in hoc to Bruxelles for billions. It would not surprise me in the least if Ireland has been subject to strong-arm tactics behind the scenes to come up with this legislation.

        June 17, 2013 at 9:18 pm
  • Leo

    Thanks for that teigitur.

    The photographs that some of the pro-lifers were holding usually hit a few nerves. Troubled consciences? Human life and a unique soul, immortal soul created by God is indeed His gift, not that of any legislator.

    Here’s a good news story that helps to reinforce exactly what is at the heart of this struggle.


    By the grace of God, this child will one day enjoy the Beatific Vision. Also, we should never forget that abortion is a “sacrament” of satan.

    June 16, 2013 at 10:01 pm
  • editor

    I found a list of all the Catholic MPs who voted for same-sex marriage on a “gay” website, so I fired off a link to our petition to each and every one of them. A nice (I hope thoughtful) start to the week for them… Only two are off the hook – one link just wouldn’t open and one MP has cleverly made sure she is only contactable by post or telephone. Cute.

    Now to catch up on my much needed beauty sleep!

    Next morning: beauty sleep made no difference (!) but I have now emailed the link to the petition to Enda Kenny.

    June 17, 2013 at 1:11 am
    • pius x


      Now, now, I’m sure your beauty sleep made a difference- you’re too modest. I like you, emailed Ian Paisley and hundreds of other MPs campaigning against SSM. I emailed Victor Adebowale, a peer, and he told me that I was ‘talking nonsense’, and that two people of the same sex can ‘have children naturally’. I responded in kind with, ‘until two men grow a uterus or fallopian tubes then two men can have kids naturally- you are the one talking bilge’. I implore you, dearest Editor and fellow bloggers to email this numpty en masse. Is Brian Donohoe Catholic? An Evangelical Protestant MP, David Burrowes, has received death threats, as has Mr Donohoe. So much for liberal, tolerant homos eh?

      Pius X

      June 17, 2013 at 11:03 am
  • Padraig54

    ‘Hot off the press’ from the latest edition of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons.

    The study was carried out by the London-based Pension and Population Research Institute and has revealed how higher abortion rates ‘have consistently run parallel to higher incidence of stillbirths, premature births, low birth-weight neonates, cerebral palsy and maternal deaths’. Further proof (if any were needed) that abortion is very bad medicine – and that in its vigorous pursuit of ‘women’s right to choose’ ideology, society at large is digging a big hole for itself.

    Do spread the word.


    June 17, 2013 at 8:28 am
  • Gabriel Syme

    This legislation is appalling. The inclusion of a mental health clause means that what is being proposed is abortion-on-demand, (as in the UK), but presented in a cunning fashion which allows secular society to avoid looking at itself in the mirror.

    Humanity has long since learned, via the science of Human Embryology, that life beings at conception. At that moment, a new life is created with 46 chromosomes; 23 each from his/her biological mothers egg and his/her biological fathers sperm. Science defines as a form of life with 46 chromosomes as a “Human Being”.

    Despite this knowledge, look at the standard of public debate and understanding regarding abortion. Various terms are thrown about – zygote, fetus etc – to distort the fact that we are talking about human beings in their most innocent and vulnerable form. Even the argument to justify abortion is not especially coherent or precise, with everything from a womans’ health to her supposed “right to choose” being thrown in. (Not to mention examples of the most extreme circumstances – rape etc – and a good deal of bile).

    Listen to all the ‘big talk’ we hear from secularists – about how they value science and knowledge, not faith, and about how rational they are. Yet its clear to see that scientific knowledge gets short shrift the very second it teaches secular society something which it doesn’t like, or which is somehow inconvenient. (In a similar way, Biological science is completely denigrated by many of the pro-homosexual arguments, which essentially boil down to suggesting our physical bodies and their biological functions are meaningless. The level of vacuousness is staggering).

    The US Roe V Wade court case which started the domino effect of abortion did not seek to deny it sought to destroy human beings. Rather it suggested that although these “things” were humans, they were not people. How absurd. “Not people”, despite having the full genetic code, having their own gender, eye and hair colour, physical characteristics etc. It hasn’t taken long for the secularists to forget that they could at least be honest about abortion, once upon a time.

    If this legislation passes, Ireland will inevitably follow the same path as the UK has. Any token checks and balances will soon be overwhelmed by lax practice and talk of ‘rights’. Soon enough, like Britain, Ireland will become dependant on mass immigration to offset the death rate, to ensure a suitable size and age of population for continued economic growth (which is all that seems to matter to politicians these days).

    Given Ireland is, (in the grand scheme), a small country which traditionally (and now) has had very high levels of young people leaving to make a life overseas, the lives which will be lost thanks to this legislation could have a very significant effect. In that the legislation will represent a second significant drain (in addition to emigration) on the numbers of young Irish people available to take their country forward into the future.

    Abortion is a crime. For all the crazy talk of extreme circumstances, like rape – the only ammunition of pro-abortionists – the greater vast majority of abortions all occur for the same reason.

    That is, a woman does not want to take responsibility for the natural results of her own choice to have sex. (I do not mean to be harsh or sexist by saying “a woman” instead of “a couple”, but as women have the only clout in law when it comes to abortion, then naturally they must bear the criticism for their choices).

    At heart, the vast majority of abortions represent a desire to avoid taking personal responsibility. It is difficult to imagine a more callous and inhumane waste of human life.

    June 17, 2013 at 8:54 pm
    • editor

      Gabriel Syme

      Agreed – a most callous and inhumane waste of human life. Which is no doubt why the media refrain from showing graphic images of aborted babies, the “reality” which they are so keen to show in every other area of life from the outcome of drug abuse to the wreckages on the road as a result of drink driving etc. Oh and every other “operation” under the sun can be viewed on screen. That they consider graphic images of abortion “too offensive” to show on TV, speaks for itself. It sure is a crime – which is why it should never be legalised, most especially not in a country widely regarded as “Catholic”.

      June 18, 2013 at 10:24 am
  • Firmiter

    I am not in the least surprised by this development. Ireland lost her soul when she was aspiring to be the Celtic Tiger.

    June 17, 2013 at 9:10 pm
    • editor


      How tragic that Ireland has gone from aspiring to be the Celtic Tiger to wanting to become the Celtic Wolf. (I thought that up all by myself, so a word of congratulations is in order here!)

      Seriously, it is just too unbelievable for words that the Irish Government plans to introduce the legalised murder of unborn children and that their dedicated and – until now – most effective pro-life movement is in defeatist mood, according to an Irish blogger further up the thread.

      June 18, 2013 at 10:29 am
      • teigitur

        Oh, I do not think pro-lifers are in defeatist mood. This past June 8th saw c. 40,000 of the amassed in Dublin.They will not go down without one heck of a stooshie.

        June 18, 2013 at 1:37 pm
  • Tirrey

    I recently heard a comment which said”why shouldn’t we have it,when they have it in the UK”.This is the Godless mentality now common in Ireland.You may find this piece from Alive Magazine interesting but also appalling;it is a recorded interview given to a student by two Labour party members.

    June 17, 2013 at 9:17 pm
    • Firmiter

      I just wonder if in the West we haven’t reached the point at which a diffuse invincible ignorance means that people are no longer capable of distinguishing right from wrong.

      Western culture is ever weaker, but no where more so that in its conception of man. I predict that in the near to middle future we will see the legalisation of both drugs and polygamy.

      Fasten your seatbelts, folks. This is going to be one hell of a ride.

      June 17, 2013 at 9:45 pm
      • editor


        I don’t think anyone (certainly not most people) can claim invincible ignorance in this day and age, with information on everything only a computer click away. It is relativism surely, not invincible ignorance, that leads to nihilism and the inability to distinguish right from wrong. Catholics, generally speaking, are not hearing the truth about Faith and Morals from the “relativized” clergy who, for one reason or another, refrain from saying anything “controversial” in their chatty, non-challenging homilies. Don’t get me wrong; they like to “challenge” congregations to be concerned for the materially poor, but that’s it. I’m told there were parishes in Scotland where the priest refused to disseminate the leaflets (issued by the Church) which argued against same-sex marriage in the recent campaign.

        Again and again we find that all that is wrong in society has its roots in the crisis of Faith in the Church.

        June 18, 2013 at 10:35 am
    • editor

      Thanks, Tirrey – will study the Alive article later.

      June 18, 2013 at 10:30 am
  • gloria


    I have just had a quick look at that interview in Alive Magazine.
    Are members of Parliament in Ireland mindless robots or what?
    Aodhan O’Riordan’s mention that politicians to be ordered to do what they’re told, is mind boggling.

    During the Nuremburg trials at the end of World War II, those Nazis accused of crimes against humanity, found that their defence of “They were only following orders”, were not accepted.

    Nor does the view that a woman can do with her own body as she likes. When pregnant, a woman carries another human being in her womb, irrespective of the stage of pregnancy, be it at conception, 20 weeks, or at full term. That unborn child is also an individual.

    Too true, this Godless mentality not only in Ireland, but elsewhere too. And appalling to say the least.

    June 18, 2013 at 11:45 am
  • Tirrey

    Sadly it has come to this.Life is not respected as it should be.Selfishness means that personal choices come first.They should read the story of Perpetua and Felicity,staunch early Christians,a great example to all.
    As for the Labour Party,they are socialists and will never get my vote.Unfortunately there isn’t any party in Ireland truly upholding Catholic values.

    June 18, 2013 at 12:17 pm
    • pius x


      You are right about voting labour- voting Labour is a mortal sin. Dr Robert George said life begins at conception because if cells can develope, they are alive. Unfortunately, we live in a society where everything is a commodity, including the blessed children of God. The countries with the illegal abortions have the lowest infant death rate: Poland-4 and Malta-6, whereas in the UK it was 12 and in the USA it was 24 per 100 live births. If they justify suicides or mental health as being grounds, then actual born babies and toddlers can drive parents to this-are we going to kill them? At the end of the day the liberal scumbags are measuring human life by productivity, so we can therefore kill disabled people, just because something isn’t productive doesn’t mean it doesn’t have a right to live. Cardinal Scherer compared it to eugenics because Brazil has, or is going to pass a law allowing abortion for anencephaly. These babies don’t have a fully developed skull and brain, and don’t feel pain so they only live a few precious hours after birth, but there short life is by the grace of God. Pray for the unborn children.

      Pius X

      June 18, 2013 at 12:38 pm

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