General Discussion (2) …

General Discussion (2) …

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  • catholicconvert1

    Have we all heard about the RoI government’s plan to conduct a referendum on gay marriage?

    Our Lady of Hope, Pray For Us.

    November 5, 2013 at 8:06 pm
  • westminsterfly

    Apologies if anyone has already seen this – it didn’t exactly come as a ‘bombshell’ to those of us who don’t believe in Medjugorje . . . but it is encouraging. Hopefully Rome will put a stop to this diabolical deceit once and for all, very soon. Oremus! http://www.ncregister.com/blog/pat-archbold/medjugorje-bombshell

    November 7, 2013 at 10:48 am
    • Lily

      Westminster Fly,

      That is absolutely fantastic news. I see that the USA visit of Ivan was immediately cancelled when the letter was received by the nuncio. I hope this signals a quick conclusion by the Vatican Commission on Medjugorje to put an end to the whole thing, long overdue as it is.

      November 7, 2013 at 11:15 am
  • westminsterfly

    Yes, I see Editor has put a picture of Ivan on the website. It’s amazing that someone who supposedly fasts on bread and water three times a week is so . . . ahem, portly. Must make up for it on the other days. And some. By the way, if you want to find out more about Ivan, check out Marco Corvaglia’s websites (haven’t got the links, trying googling Marco’s name). They have proof and details of Ivan’s luxury property deals – he’s had some very nice properties for himself and his family in the USA, the likes of which most people couldn’t afford. But he doesn’t appear to earn a living – except that of full-time ‘seer’.

    November 7, 2013 at 1:09 pm
  • westminsterfly November 7, 2013 at 1:15 pm
    • editor

      Westminster Fly et al,

      I’ve now posted a thread on the topic of this latest Medjugorje development, so please post any further comments on that thread.

      Thank you.

      November 7, 2013 at 6:27 pm
  • gabriel syme

    In a new low, Pope Francis has been photographed wearing a red “clown nose”. I would bet the Cardinals deeply regret his election already, frankly he is an embarassment.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2488748/Pope-Francis-dons-red-nose-congratulate-newlyweds-volunteer-clown-therapy-charity.html

    November 7, 2013 at 1:54 pm
  • editor

    Gabriel Syme

    Pope Francis is, as you say, an embarrassment. A huge embarrassment. Haven’t time to read that article right through (the picture says it all) but I sincerely hope this is not Comic Relief he’s supporting.

    November 7, 2013 at 3:05 pm
    • gabriel syme

      Hi Editor,

      Perhaps I was harsh in my assessment above, but I think its really wrong of him to wear a clown-nose with his Papal robes.

      When we look to Rome, we are supposed to see Peter, not Coco the Clown.

      November 11, 2013 at 12:29 pm
  • Clotilde

    A friend whose wife is from the Philipinnes mentioned that about a year ago the bishop of the province of Albay consecrated the region to the Immaculate Heart. You will have seen the devastation but in Albay province the winds were much less and the damage quite minor.

    Apparently it is on the east side of the islands and usually takes the worst of the storms….

    More reason to believe and Thank Our Lady for.

    Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    November 9, 2013 at 10:26 pm
    • leprechaun

      Relative to the catastrophe in the Philippines, the SSPX lost its Chapel and car in the storm, and has launched a world-wide appeal for support for all the victims.

      The appeal can be accessed via the website at http://www.sspx.co.uk, and charitable donations can be sent to the SSPX at St. George’s House, 125 Arthur Road, London SW19 7DR.

      God Bless

      November 15, 2013 at 5:44 pm
  • gabriel syme

    Here are some news items I thought worth bringing up here:

    1. For the year 2013 – 14, the SSPX has received an intake of 43 new seminarians and 16 postulant Brothers. This is great news. If this intake keeps up, then the rate of the SSPX expansion will be even greater. I think the Society’s annual intake used to be 10 – 20 men, so this growth is very admirable.

    http://www.dici.org/en/news/the-society-of-st-pius-x-welcomes-43-new-seminarians/

    2. An Italian researcher has announced that just over half (51%) of the Italian priests he has interviewed have reported a surge in mass attendance since the election of Pope Francis.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/10/pope-francis-effect-italy-catholicism

    On the face of it, that is good news, but then how may of those people supposedly flocking back are doing do in the hope that Catholicism will change their lives, and how many are going back purely because they think Francis is changing the Church to condone their lifestyles?

    November 11, 2013 at 12:36 pm
    • gabriel syme

      are doing do
      ————

      Sorry, that should read “are doing so”.

      November 11, 2013 at 12:38 pm
  • westminsterfly

    Maybe Pope Francis is preparing the ground for bad news for Medjugorje enthusiasts after all . . . http://www.marcocorvaglia.com/medjugorje-en/pope-francis-our-lady-is-not-a-post-office-manager-who-sends-messages-every-day.html

    November 15, 2013 at 4:25 pm
  • catholicconvert1

    Does anyone have a link where I can see pre-Vatican Two religious habits, with reference to both monks and nuns. I am aware that nun’s habits were abolished in many convents, but I don’t know about monks.

    November 16, 2013 at 3:19 pm
    • editor

      Here are two links, one for Carmelite nuns (strictly enclosed, but their Habit is typical of what all Religious Sisters wore pre-Vatican II) and one for monks

      November 18, 2013 at 11:22 pm
  • Miles Immaculatae

    Bad church architecture need not necessarily be modernist for it to be bad:

    http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/ay105151632pic-from-guzel.jpg?w=650&h=1004&crop=1#038;h=1582

    November 17, 2013 at 1:59 am
    • gabriel syme

      That must be where they hold those infamous modernist “Chicken Masses” 😉

      November 18, 2013 at 12:35 pm
    • editor

      Priceless!

      November 18, 2013 at 11:25 pm
  • gabriel syme

    There have been some mildly encouraging developments:

    1) The notorious Scalfari interview* has been removed from the Vatican website (*one of Francis most outrageous incidents to date). Some commentators suggest that ++Gerhard Mueller is responsible for this; he was said to have been shocked at learning it featured – and remained – on the website. I think Fr Lombardi officially denied it was due to CDF involvement however.

    While its good this has gone, it would be better if it had never happened in the first place.

    One satisfying aspect is that the removal shows that the Vatican agrees with +Fellay that the interview content was “not Catholic”. It also gives Cardinal Pell some well-deserved egg on his face, as he initially rushed to discard +Fellays criticisms as “absolute rubbish”. Pell is obviously a “yes man”.

    2) Pope Francis has praised ++Agostino Marchetto in a letter, saying he is the “best interpreter” of Vatican II. This is one in the eye of the Bologna school. Its pleasing that he sides with Marchetto (favours continuity) over the Bologna mob (favour rupture).

    So while (2) above might put things on a more even keel generally, it still leads to confrontation with the SSPX, as +Fellay said recently that, with Vatican II, the concept of continuity “doesn’t exist”.

    Perhaps, though, this move will develop the talks with the SSPX, in that it firms up what Vatican II was supposed to mean. The discussion will now be centered on whether continuity does or does not exist, as opposed to some more vague / open-ended considerations.

    November 18, 2013 at 12:34 pm
    • editor

      Gabriel Syme,

      All VERY interesting – especially since Fr Lombardi dismissed criticisms of the Scalfari interview by pointing out that the Pope stood by it and if he thought there was anything wrong in it, he would have corrected it. Egg on faces all round!

      November 18, 2013 at 11:27 pm
  • gabriel syme

    I liked this cartoon Fr Z has put on his website:

    http://wdtprs.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/which-makes-sense.jpg

    November 18, 2013 at 12:36 pm
    • editor

      Yes, I’m not a Fr Z fan, but liked the cartoon. Still, it leaves me wondering how Fr Z could post a cartoon like that and still say and defend the novus ordo Mass. Odd.

      Well, folks, we’re now over the 500 comments quota for the General Discussion thread (due to my posts, I confess!)

      So, I’ll close this down now and open a fresh Discussion thread, including a link to this one for the record.

      Thanks to all who contributed – see you over on General Discussion thread no.3 🙂

      November 18, 2013 at 11:30 pm

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