Dialogue With The Devil Doesn’t Work…

Dialogue With The Devil Doesn’t Work…

Watching the demented pro-abortion feminists in the Voris video behaving in the most degrading way really brings home the diabolical nature of feminism and abortion. The worst of the depravity is omitted in the Voris video, but I’d previously seen a fuller version on the Protect the Pope blog – so, if you view that version, be warned it’s full of horrendously depraved and obscene behaviour.

Michael Voris makes some excellent points about the need for the clergy and hierarchy to wake up to the futility of trying to “dialogue” with people who hate the Church and always will hate the Church. Our Lord, of course, warned us that, as the world hated Him, so it would hate His followers.

Since this diabolical protest by feminists took place in front of a Catholic cathedral in Argentina, it may throw light on why Pope Francis made his shocking remark about not “obsessing” about abortion. Was he trying to appease crackpot feminists like the ones you will see on the video? If so, big mistake. They will continue to hate the Church no matter how many olive branches the Pope offers. As you’ll see on the film, the protesters burn a puppet of Pope Francis, which underlines the point of this topic that it’s a complete waste of time (not to say offensive to God) to water down the teaching of the Church and the moral law, in the hope of “making friends and influencing people” as the old saying goes. Indeed, “so much”, as Michael Voris has entitled his video, “for dialogue”.

Dialogue with the devil and his followers for the purpose of finding common ground just doesn’t work. Check out the video – and ask yourself why the continued mantra from the hierarchy and clergy about the importance of dialogue? Why not return to clear condemnations of evil and public promotion of Truth? Catholic Truth? (The Faith, that is, not the newsletter!)

Comments (49)

  • Delacruz

    Perhaps Pope Francis might learn from his European forebears :
    Appeasement NEVER works.

    December 12, 2013 at 8:30 pm
    • editor


      Pope Francis seems immune to what his predecessors said and did and his European forebears – if it happened before 1962, he doesn’t seem to want to know…

      December 12, 2013 at 11:55 pm
      • Petrus

        Very true, Editor. Truly diabolical.

        December 13, 2013 at 1:07 pm
  • Josephine

    Those disgusting women! Those videos show the results of “women’s liberation” – how disgusting are those females? Yet these are the women the Pope wants to appease?

    I agree with Delacruz – appeasement never works, especially when it flies in the face of the basic Christian duty to be soldiers of Christ!

    December 12, 2013 at 10:52 pm
    • Lily

      I couldn’t agree more – what a disgusting bunch of women.

      I see on Protect the Pope they call on Pope Francis to acknowledge those good young people who bravely prayed in front of the cathedral during all that mayhem. I sincerely hope he does so. If he can praise Nelson Mandela for fighting apartheid, then surely he can praise those wonderful youths for fighting the evil of those pro-abortionists trying to attack the House of God?

      December 12, 2013 at 11:19 pm
      • editor


        “A disgusting bunch of women” must rank as the understatement of the year.

        I took another look at the Protect the Pope article and yes, they do call on Pope Francis to publicly acknowledge these brave young Catholics. Once he hears about or reads the reports (extract follows) it would be outrageous not to do so:

        According to reports from young Catholics who had defended the Church, the impression they had was that it was a “satanic attack” with “demonic figures”, being seen as part of an “anti-Christian world revolution.” In one place the extremists lit a big fire and burned an effigy of Pope Francis as they danced around the fire.’

        If that’s not diabolical, then I’d like someone to offer another definition. That behaviour is straight from Hell, no question about it.

        But it was heartening to see those young boys praying the rosary, and not retaliating when attacked. They most definitely ought to be publicly praised by the Pope: if he doesn’t feel moved to praise those Argentinian youths publicly defending their cathedral and praying the rosary in the face of a demonic attack the likes of which I don’t think I’ve ever seen before, then he’s an even worse Pope that I thought – and that’s saying something.

        December 13, 2013 at 12:01 am
      • Edelweiss

        I see Pope Francis is calling for prayers to end world hunger. IMHO that will be of more interest to him that 7,000 + half naked women trying to break into or burn down his cathedral.

        The young men who formed a shield to protect the cathedral and pray the rosary peacefully despite the anarchy surrounding them are to be commended. They should be publicly thanked by the Pope but I doubt that will happen. If they came out to protest about poverty or hunger in the world, that would be praised.

        December 13, 2013 at 11:52 am
      • catholicconvert1


        ‘They should be publicly thanked by the Pope but I doubt that will happen’.

        This will only happen when the Pope grows a backbone, and at present, he has as much backbone as a chocolate eclair.

        December 13, 2013 at 12:05 pm
    • editor


      Exactly right – our Confirmation duty to be Soldiers of Christ means that we may NEVER engage in appeasement with regards to the Faith. NEVER.

      December 12, 2013 at 11:57 pm
    • catholicconvert1

      They aren’t women, they are beasts, who need horsewhipping…publicly.

      December 13, 2013 at 12:04 pm
    • Petrus

      Exactly. This all started with the vote. Give them an inch and they will take a mile.

      December 13, 2013 at 1:08 pm
      • catholicconvert1

        I don’t know whether you are joking about the vote thing, but I certainly believe the rot set in with giving women the right to vote, and as I, a history student look back, giving them the vote was a big mistake. Not necessarily in itself, but for the evils it spawned, i.e: ‘reproductive rights’ (Abortion, Contraception), no fault divorce, equal labour rights resulting in the breakdown of the traditional family and feral children with no parents at home to discipline them. It has steadilt turned women into men with the so-called ‘ladette’ culture. In my ideal society, men should be given a living wage so they can afford to work, tax breaks for normal married couples (non-gays), housewives who never work should get a ‘housewives pension’ as never happened before, and in healthcare, education, a pro-natal policy should be encouraged, contraception banned for under 16s and sold restrictively for adults on prescription and a chastity policy enforced in schools glorifying married life, family and parenthood.

        But that’s just my humble opinion.

        December 13, 2013 at 1:58 pm
      • catholicconvert1

        Did I mention that divorce should also be restricted? Primarily, one should only get a civil divorce in cases of battery, mental/physical cruelty, adultery or desertion. Even then one should have taken every opportunity to make the marriage work.

        December 13, 2013 at 2:01 pm
      • Frankier

        I don’t know whether you are joking either about women getting the vote but if you’re not then I really don’t think you should bother becoming a Catholic. Do you not fancy joining the Taliban instead? What about teaching women to count higher than ten? Would that be acceptable in your perfect world?

        December 13, 2013 at 4:05 pm
      • catholicconvert1

        I’m not against women gaining the vote per se, but if you had the sense to read my post, I said that giving them the vote was a mistake because it led to radical feminism and the above mentioned aberrations. Safeguards should have taken to prevent these future laws.

        December 13, 2013 at 4:53 pm
      • editor

        Catholic Convert,

        I disagree completely with all talk of “women” not getting this or that, vote included. I do agree that life should be so ordered that women may raise their families in the home without being financially penalised. The normalising of the “career woman” (not the vote) is really what has spawned the evils of which you speak – contraception etc.

        Turning to the Church, however, it’s a very true saying that every heresy contains a grain of truth. I well remember the hostility I encountered from priests who did not like us young girls doing Legion of Mary work. And there were numpty laity as well, saying we were doing the priest’s work. Rubbish. Everyone is duty bound to spread the Faith – in fact, the Legion of Mary groups were centred round the priest, meant to be an “extension” of the priest. Legionaries often were instrumental in people arranging to have their marriages regularised and arranging for priests to visit the lapsed etc.

        Having attended the meetings of mad feminists, and listened to their “testimonies”, I came to see that nine times out of ten, if they’d been encouraged to be active apostles, spreading the Faith, instead of insulted because the priest had a daft and distorted idea of what girls and women could and couldn’t do, then I doubt very much if there would be any campaign for the ordination of women today.

        With respect, then, for you to speak of women in a “them and us” context, as you seem to be doing, is to fall into the same error as those ignorant clergymen who wouldn’t have had a good word to say about the outspoken laywoman, Catherine Benincasa, now St Catherine of Siena, were she alive today.

        There has been, for far too long, a failure among clergy to understand the true role of the laity – and the great Anglican convert, Cardinal Newman, whom I know you hugely admire, recognised this error: on one occasion, in conversation with a priest who asked for his views on the laity, Cardinal Newman replied with great humour and a truckload of truth, that “the Church would look foolish without them.” I’ve no doubt he’d say the same thing about women, were he alive today. But, being a great educator, he’d have seen to it that everyone – men and women – were properly educated as to the correct order of their separate duties of state. Not every can or has to be a priest. Everyone can and must be an apostle. For married women/mothers, that begins with their own domestic church, the family, but need not end there. Ditto – wait for this – men!

        For the record, too, it has always been the case that women sometimes had to work outside the home. My own widowed grandmother, left with two small sons to raise, had to work, years before the Second World War. There’s nothing damning about that. In cases of necessity women have been able and permitted to work. So, let’s not take the ridiculous position that something neutral – like women working – is, per se, an evil. It’s not. I’ve already said that it is the advocacy of the “career woman” model, where it is now essential for husband and wife to work just to keep a roof over their heads, that is the problem. It’s why Catholics now speak – like everyone else – of hoping to “start” a family, indicating the contraceptive mentality which has sprung from the whole economic set up. So, don’t blame the vote. We’re keeping that, if only to make sure we keep Alex Salmond from being the first President of Scotland!

        Here endeth the lesson.

        December 13, 2013 at 6:12 pm
      • Whistleblower


        There’s a great scene in Downton Abbey when a young, upper class, girl asks “Am I not allowed an opinion?” Her elderly grandmother replies, “Not until you are married, and then your husband will tell you what your opinions are.” The good old days! 😉

        December 13, 2013 at 6:35 pm
      • editor


        That reminds me of a couple of my favourite jokes:

        (1) How do you know when a woman is about to say something smart?

        – She starts her sentence with “A man once told me…”

        (2) How many men does it take to open a beer?

        – None. It should be opened by the time she brings it.

        You just have to laugh, don’t you? 🙂

        December 13, 2013 at 8:06 pm
      • catholicconvert1

        I repeat, I don’t believe that giving women the vote was wrong in itself, but it is the clamour for greater women’s rights and radical feminism, as I’m sure that you agree, that led to the break-up of the traditional family and social structures. I said that in my first post, and I don’t know why Frankier took umbrage. I personally don’t believe it was the ‘career woman’ that led to these evils. The vote led to this, with the mentality that if wimmin can have political rights then why can’t they have reproductive rights as well?

        As for your good Catholic grandmother who had to work. It was not this type of situation I was referring to. The situation I was referring to was when women were married with children, but still chose to work when they had no need to. I never said women working was evil, it’s just better if they are married with children to stop at home where possible to raise children properly. Some women must work, i.e single mothers or those with disabled husbands.

        As for Cardinal Newman and your comments on the laity, I have immense admiration for the Legion of Mary and other evangelising lay groups such as Opus Dei, that haven’t gone nuts, like the Kikos. These are all majority women led and wouldn’t function without them and the same applies to the whole Church. The Church is feminine, and we venerate the greatest laywoman, Our Lady.

        December 14, 2013 at 12:14 pm
      • Petrus

        The biggest problem is democracy. It is completely opposed to the will and nature of God

        December 14, 2013 at 12:41 pm
      • catholicconvert1

        I quite agree Petrus, Democracy would only work if all of the electorate were obedient Catholics. Moral laws, from God, should not be voted on by elected politicians or the ‘people’ in referenda.

        December 14, 2013 at 2:22 pm
      • Petrus

        What we need is a Catholic constitution, a truly Catholic monarch, who appoints a cabinet or specialists to lead the country.

        December 14, 2013 at 3:21 pm
      • editor

        Well, if it’s a Scottish Catholic monarch one is looking for, look no further. One has the ability to be a monarch – one has, one is told, “a royal presence”. One certainly has one’s royal voice. Allow one to give one and all an example:

        One was visiting Iran recently and one asked one’s hotelier ‘Where’s the Shah?’ ‘What do you mean?’ replied one’s hotelier, ‘There is no Shah. We got rid of the Shah years ago.’ ‘Okay,’ one said in good-natured acceptance of one’s inconvenience: ‘In that case one will have one’s bath.’

        Well? Would one make a suitable Catholic monarch? One certainly thinks so. One hopes one and all agrees with one…

        December 14, 2013 at 5:02 pm
      • catholicconvert1

        This is in reply to Petrus. It would appear his reply button isn’t working. We need a Catholic Monarch, along the lines of the Ancien Regime of France under Louis XIV or Louis XVI, or even Spain under the Habsburgs and the Holy Roman Empire. Although I’m a natural monarchist, Monarchy is not the only solution to a Catholic state, just look at Ireland post 1922 to 1990, Francoist Spain, Salazarist Portugal, or Ecuador under Gabriel Garcia Moreno.

        If a Catholic state was to be created, the degree of one’s Catholic devotion must be a component, i.e no Catholic-lites, or Novus Ordos. Only trads should participate in government in a truly Catholic state. But seeing as we all languish in a Protestant country, it is but a pipe dream. Sadly.

        To paraphrase Thomas R. Marshall, the U.S Vice President between 1913-21- ‘What this country needs is a good 5 cent cigar’. just for a larf.

        December 14, 2013 at 5:27 pm
  • Theresa Rose

    I looked at the video on Protect the Pope after the Michael Voris one. The former is more graphic with showing more obscene and depraved behaviour by these disgusting women.

    Will Pope Francis, or anyone in the Vatican heriarchy acknowledge what these 1500 brave young men did while praying the Rosary, outside the Cathedral in San Juan? I doubt it. I expect silence from them.

    If any of the up to 7000 feminists had by sheer chance managed to break through and get into the Cathedral, what profanities would have been done?

    Diabolical is about the strongest term I can think of, to describe the events in November.

    I agree with Delacruz and Josephine, appeasement never works. It is about time the Pope praises these young men doing their duty as Soldiers of Christ.

    December 13, 2013 at 10:11 am
    • Nicky

      Theresa Rose,

      “If any of the up to 7000 feminists had by sheer chance managed to break through and get into the Cathedral, what profanities would have been done?”

      It doesn’t bear thinking about, seeing what went on outside the cathedral.

      Michael Voris titled his video “So much for dialogue?” but it could just as easily have been “So much for Catholic Latin America”.

      December 13, 2013 at 11:44 am
      • catholicconvert1


        They would have probably said a Black Mass and fornicated on the Altar of God.

        December 13, 2013 at 12:06 pm
  • Pat McKay

    So, Francis I has been elected ‘Person of the Year’. If I were him I’d be extremely worried.

    ….’Woe to you, when all men shall speak well of you; for so did their fathers to the false prophets’… (Luke 6:26).

    December 13, 2013 at 12:08 pm
    • Petrus

      Very well said, Pat McKay. I sometimes wonder if the modern churchmen believe in God. They care more about pleasing men (and lesbians) than God. What a terrible judgement they will have.

      December 13, 2013 at 1:09 pm
      • catholicconvert1


        An interesting comment given that the Pope has said that he doesn’t worship a ‘Catholic God’.

        December 14, 2013 at 12:15 pm
  • Pat McKay

    One minute he was courting the sodomites, next thing he’s ‘getting between the sheets’ with the pro-aborts (e.g. at St. Andrews). No wonder ‘the world speaks highly of him’.

    To compromise with the enemy is to lose the plot, right from the outset. The fire brigade don’t dialogue with the fire – they snuff it out!

    December 13, 2013 at 1:19 pm
  • Frankier

    Talk about hell on earth. I don’t suppose the Pope will even know about these brilliant young men, they’ll probably be branded as troublemakers. I remember when we had men of this type in Scotland too but, sadly, no more. The really sad part is that most of these demons will probably have been baptised catholics. It would be good if the global media began showing an interest in scenes such as this since they were quick enough to show us how the Russians dealt with them in such a (terrible) fashion.

    December 13, 2013 at 1:28 pm
    • catholicconvert1

      Dealt with who in such a terrible fashion? Pussy Riot? I say the Russians were too soft.

      December 13, 2013 at 2:16 pm
      • Frankier

        According to the media, who were quick to show it, they were dealt in a terrible way. That is why the word terrible is in brackets. Try and keep up, will you.

        December 13, 2013 at 3:39 pm
      • catholicconvert1

        Maybe you should put sarcastic comments in inverted commas 🙂

        December 13, 2013 at 4:50 pm
      • editor


        Try and be polite to Catholic Convert – will you ?

        To his credit, he’s taken your jibe in good humour so that’s put him up a couple of notches on the pay scale. You’re in danger of falling off altogether if you don’t behave yourself. Remember the old saying: “smile and the world smiles with you, be sarcy and you’re sarcy alone”

        Something like that 🙂

        December 14, 2013 at 11:18 pm
      • Eileenanne


        I don’t suppose the Pope will even know about these brilliant young men

        Well that’s one thing you can fix. Have YOU written to tell him?

        December 14, 2013 at 10:20 pm
      • editor


        You asked for this – Have YOU written to tell him?

        And before you ask – no, I’ve NOT written to tell him. I’ve been too busy writing letters to the Scottish press which, as ever, don’t get published.

        I have to draw the line somewhere. Being ignored by the secular press is one thing, but to be ignored by the Pope (as I undoubtedly would be) is quite another 🙂

        December 14, 2013 at 11:23 pm
      • Eileenanne

        No. I’m not concerned that the Pope will be unaware of this. I am confident he will have heard.

        December 15, 2013 at 7:06 pm
      • Petrus

        Spoken like the spiritual daughter of Pontius Pilate!

        December 15, 2013 at 7:42 pm
  • Pat McKay

    I can guarantee that if a mosque or a synagogue came under siege like this, the BBC, CNN, Fox and Sky News would have whole cohorts out there to report it.

    The TV footage, interviews with eye-witness accounts etc. would be never-ending.

    December 13, 2013 at 2:00 pm
    • catholicconvert1

      It’s strange that Mosques don’t get attacked because their views on Homosexuality etc are far more extreme than those of Catholicism. I sometimes wonder why gays are so liberal, and tacitly pro-immigration, when the majority of immigrants are Muslim, Eastern European or African, and therefore very socially Conservative and anti-gay. The more of these people there are, the more ‘homophobic’ society is likely to become.

      December 13, 2013 at 2:14 pm
      • Frankier

        Please don’t use the word gay. They are anything but. You are playing into their barrow. Would you describe the actions outside Buenos Aires cathedral as being carried out by happy people?

        December 13, 2013 at 3:44 pm
      • editor

        Catholic Convert,

        Frankier has already pointed out that we really ought not to use the term “gay” – we discussed this elsewhere if you recall, after Leo made the same point. I try to use “homosexual” and if, for whatever reason, am forced to use “gay” I always put it in inverted commas.

        I suggest, with respect, that you do the same.

        December 13, 2013 at 6:21 pm
      • catholicconvert1

        I’ll try to remember to not use the word. But if you were in my little slice of hell, you would know that I’m not saying the word ‘gays’ nicely.

        December 14, 2013 at 12:17 pm
    • Frankier


      December 13, 2013 at 3:45 pm
    • editor

      Pat McKay,

      Absolutely spot on. If this anarchy had taken place outside any non-Christian place of worship, we’d be getting saturation cover on radio and TV from dawn to dusk.

      December 13, 2013 at 5:55 pm
  • anonymous

    makes me feel sympathetic to the taliban

    December 30, 2013 at 10:03 pm
    • Margaret Mary


      So you like to see half-naked, demented women performing sex acts outside a cathedral – as their way of promoting the killing of unborn babies?

      December 30, 2013 at 10:15 pm

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