General Discussion (4)

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If there’s something of interest in the news that’s not covered in one of the topic threads, or you have a question to ask, a comment you’d like to make about anything under the sun, more or less, this is the thread for you. However, please check first, to ensure that you haven’t missed a topic thread.  Readers have occasionally gone straight to the General Discussion thread to post news that is already the topic of a thread or to ask a question that is already being discussed elsewhere. So, do your Sherlock Holmes before posting here, please and thank you!

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  • Graeme Taylor

    It is like dealing with teenagers, so ill thought out. Everything has to be new and if it aint new, oh well it aint worth doing.
    Ego is all i see at work, it has to be new and draw attention to the priest instead of what it should be – the opposite.

    March 30, 2014 at 8:36 am
  • Graeme Taylor

    Great news from Argentina, two women living in a state of mortal sin have met the Lord and His mercy, they have confessed and are both to be received into the Sacrament of Confirmation and ….they are to have their adopted baby baptised into the Catholic Church. What a super arch bishop that Cathedral has. Clearly a man of deep faith and love , rich in the Mercy of God and clearly abundant in the fruits of The Holy Spirit – when these two women can be helped to see that they needed to turn away and repent of their sin full lives. What marvels!

    March 30, 2014 at 7:06 pm
    • catholicconvert1

      I always understand that Confession was only worth the effort if you actually made the effort afterwards to change your life, and tried not to sin again. Someone correct me if I’m wrong?? If these two women (presumably) have confessed to the sin of Lesbianism, but still continue as Lesbians, then what is the point? Your sarcasm, Graeme, blew my mind, but this issue is far too serious for sarcasm I fear. The Archbishop of Buenos Aires, Mario Poli, is the successor to Pope Francis in that see. He was always made a Cardinal at the last consistory. Do these halfwits really have no shame??

      March 30, 2014 at 7:23 pm
  • Graeme Taylor

    Catholicconvert

    I could not believe what I read on rorate caeli – that the archbishop allowed this nonsense.
    Apostasy indeed!
    But then “prelates” and the monied ( the President may be one of the godmothers), it really is like dealing with teenagers.

    March 30, 2014 at 8:09 pm
  • Graeme Taylor

    Couldn’t agree more Josephine and the Holy Father needs to carry out some disciplining amongst these “prelates”, not only in Argentina but in Germany, but then there is the money…..

    March 30, 2014 at 8:57 pm
  • Leo

    Better include Brazil too.

    Novus ordoism is self-liquidating. But hey, he’s in full communion and good standing.

    Courtesy of the Remnant:

    http://gloria.tv/?media=113050

    March 30, 2014 at 10:07 pm
    • editor

      Leo,

      How can anyone, in their right mind, even begin to argue that this Mass is valid? About as valid as and eleven pound note.

      March 30, 2014 at 10:26 pm
      • catholicconvert1

        Is he an actual Priest? Ed, you know about my fragile mental state, but I’m just going to book myself into the local nuthouse-that’s tipped me over the edge. Visiting hours are between 2 and 4.

        March 31, 2014 at 1:30 pm
  • Graeme Taylor

    The devil is having his day indeed.

    March 30, 2014 at 11:26 pm
  • greatpretender51

    Apparently the purpose of a Novus Ordo Confession (er, uh, “Reconciliation”) is to obtain God’s approval for one’s sins. Small wonder then that they call it “celebrating” the Sacrament of Reconciliation. It is man celebrating himself and congratulating himself for turning away from God. And this disgrace during Lent, no less.

    Graeme, the odds of Pope Francis (I’m already tempted to call him an anti-pope) disciplining these clergy are zilch, since he himself sympathizes with and privately approves of this sickness. Truly, as Mundabor has already noted, this is the Pope of the enemies of the Church. Well, live it up while you can, boys, your time is coming soon…

    March 31, 2014 at 12:40 am
  • jobstears

    I just looked at the links posted by Josephine and Leo and am speechless. Straight from hell. And these are the elements in the Novous Ordo church in full communion with Rome.

    I am starting to think this Pope is the anti Christ. He is destroying the Church with – love. And the avenging angel of the Vortex defends his every action thereby assisting him.

    Let us join with our beloved Pope as we pray for his intentions for the month of April- “that governments may foster the protection of creation and the just distribution of natural resources”.

    God help us.

    March 31, 2014 at 3:10 pm
  • fryderykfranciszekchopin

    Talking of the Holy Father’s intentions for the year, I have these on a bookmark:

    January- “That all may promote authentic economic development that respects the dignity of all peoples.”

    July- “That sports may always be occasions of human fraternity and growth.”

    And the January Mission Intention- “That Christians of diverse denominations may walk toward the unity desired by Christ.”

    If you want to read all of them: http://www.apostleshipofprayer.net/AP/Intentions-2014.EN.pdf

    March 31, 2014 at 4:20 pm
    • editor

      Jobstears & Chopin,

      Kidding, right?

      March 31, 2014 at 4:38 pm
    • Leo

      Chopin

      Whenever Celtic and Rangers get to play each other again, maybe the Holy Father’s July intention could be posted on the front of the match programme, or on the signs around the ground.

      Nope, something tells me that’s not a runner.

      Seriously, you gotta laugh.

      March 31, 2014 at 6:06 pm
  • jobstears

    Editor, I only wish!

    March 31, 2014 at 5:30 pm
  • Miles Immaculatae

    I am afraid this is NOT an April Fool joke.

    The content is shocking.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100265744/pope-sanctions-ecumenical-missal-this-is-really-big-news/

    April 1, 2014 at 1:33 am
    • GabbyGlasgowGirl

      MI,

      I’m afraid it IS an April Fool joke – the link to the translation leads to this page
      http://translate.google.com/#la/en/Aprilis%20Stulte%20%E2%80%98Dies

      It started out on an ecumenical blog, and Damian reblogged it.

      April 1, 2014 at 1:46 am
      • Miles Immaculatae

        How utterly embarrassing. I completely missed that. I also notice the bold letters spell April Fool vertically. You wouldn’t believe I was a university student! What a dunce.

        Seriously though, if this was able to fool me, what does that say about the state of the Church.

        April 1, 2014 at 2:16 am
  • jobstears

    Frankly, I wouldn’t have been surprised if this pope did approve an ecumenical missal! The joke is that he didn’t.

    Something tells me, today might not be the best day to believe anything anyone says! 🙁 I’d be better off burying myself in the “Cross and the Crown”, so far an excellent read.

    April 1, 2014 at 2:10 am
  • Miles Immaculatae

    Researchers in the Ukraine have been testing a new hypothesis that radioactive contaminants from the Chernobyl disaster may have caused many cases of dyslexia.

    A scientist today told journalists “At this stage in the study the findings are still nuclear.”

    April 1, 2014 at 2:21 am
  • gabriel syme

    I cannot recall it verbatim, but another excellent homily at St Andrews (SSPX, Glasgow) last Sunday. My favourite part, from Fr Wingerden, was:

    Whats the difference between protestants and Catholics?

    The difference is: protestants are miserable but Catholics are happy. Oh sure, the protestants will try to put a happy face on things at times, but – in their heart of hearts – they are miserable.

    Why is this? Its because, unlike Catholics, protestants have no means to confess their sins and wipe their slate clean. Go to Confession.

    Availing themselves of confession brings Catholics an inner peace; Catholics should feel this inner peace always, even despite the minor everyday worries we all have.

    If you don’t feel this inner peace, you are a rubbish Catholic who is not living their faith life properly. Go to Confession.

    For someone raised with the sickly-sweet, vacuous novus ordo, its *really* something to hear a priest challenge his congregation like this – even offering a measured criticism of them, such that they may improve their faith lives.

    There have been many very rewarding aspects of my switch from the Archdiocese to the SSPX – e.g. not least being able to receive Holy Communion like a Catholic – but the quality of homily/instruction from the priests is prominent among them.

    The priests at the novus ordo see themselves mainly as entertainers who chiefly seek to please the congregation via jokes and anecdotes and through blindly affirming anything an everything the congregation does or says.

    It is exceptionally refreshing to leave this kind of puerile, unsatisfying rubbish behind and hear something instead with a bit of substance to it, which is even directly challenging to those of us in the pews.

    April 1, 2014 at 11:25 am
    • catholicconvert1

      Gabriel,

      They sounds like a great sermon. Whenever I get the opportunity, I too will cross over to the SSPX (as it were). I like my PP very much, but it is too wishy washy. When people take Holy Communion in the hand it fills me with rage- why are people so irreverent to Our Lord? It’s the Priest’s fault. They cultivate indiscipline, whereas all people, in their heart of hearts, love rules.

      April 1, 2014 at 6:35 pm
      • Eileenanne

        I am a little surprised to hear a priest make so much of feelings in his homily. I have always found feelings to be a poor guide to spiritual wellbeing.

        April 4, 2014 at 1:53 pm
      • jobstears

        Eileenanne,

        It is funny how two people can read the same thing and draw different conclusions! When I read Gabriel Syme’s post, I saw nothing more in it than what saints in the Catholic Church have always said- when we do God’s Will, there is no turmoil or unrest within the soul; there is a peace that comes from knowing we are right with God. Our circumstances don’t change, our perception of them does and with this comes peace.

        April 4, 2014 at 2:41 pm
      • editor

        Jobstears,

        Exactly.

        Eileenanne will never EVER say anything positive or interpret anything charitably, unless to support the modernist revolution in the Church. The fact that she’s broken her Lenten resolution not to blog during Lent in order to take yet another swipe at the SSPX says it all.

        April 4, 2014 at 3:29 pm
      • editor

        Eileenanne,

        Father was NOT talking about “feelings” as you seem to be interpreting his words but about the kind of inner peace which all Catholics in good conscience (as opposed to those allegedly in good standing) experience in the sense that such inner tranquillity is the norm in their souls.

        No matter how much the turmoil may appear on the surface in times of tribulation – as all the great saints, mystics, and Doctors of the Church teach – there is always peace in the soul and a real happiness knowing that – as we often say in such circumstances – “God is above it all”.

        Sadly, poor diocesan Catholics are so immersed IN the “feelings” business with no real spiritual nourishment or educaton being provided in their parishes, that they no longer understand the distinction between true spiritual peace and happiness in the soul and the kind of hedonist pleasure peddled as “happiness” in our society. They also pursue a false peace (e.g. the ecumenical/interfaith dialogue nonsense) in the name of going along to get along. It’s all very sad. As we can see from yesterday’s Herald attack on the Church (see that thread) it isn’t working. The Catholic Church remains the most hated institution on the face of the earth. Forget that false peace and follow the example of the great saints to establish true peace in our own souls, and thus realise, in our souls, the true happiness which comes only from God.

        April 4, 2014 at 3:40 pm
  • Benedict Carter

    Dear Editor,

    I work in the Curia in Rome, and after hearing Pope Francis’ wonderful discourse on how we Curia workers must feel joy all the time, I composed this little ditty which will be manically sung on each Feast Day of the Holy Depressives St. Desperate Joyousness and St. Prozac (Curial Patron Saints). It goes like this:

    I skip around like a little lamb
    While eating up all my spam
    Shouting Joy oh Joy it is so nice
    Eating spam with lots of spice.

    Chorus:

    We don’t need no Curial guidelines
    We don’t need no thought control
    No dark Pelagianism in the Curia
    Leave them liberals alone
    Hey!
    Leave them liberals alone.

    I skip around like a little lamb
    While eating up all my spam
    Shouting Joy oh Joy it is so nice
    Eating spam with lots of spice.

    Yours,

    Father Tomasso Mogadon

    April 1, 2014 at 10:08 pm
    • Eileenanne

      So is the priest quoted by Gabriel Syme wrong in his assertion that Catholics should be happy and feel inner peace always? Or is that something different from the joy spoken of by the Pope?

      April 4, 2014 at 1:56 pm
      • editor

        Eileenanne,

        You persistently create false dichotomies. The priest quoted by Gabriel Syme is not wrong – and I’d wager a bet that he’s a great deal more likely to be correct in his assertions about all things Catholic, including the spiritual life, than Pope Francis who contradicts himself like there’s no tomorrow.

        Anyway, here’s Bishop Fulton Sheen – not of the SSPX – on the subject of peace and happiness in the soul:

        “Divinely wise souls often infuriate the worldly-wise because they always see things from the Divine point of view. The worldly are willing to let anyone believe in God if he pleases, but only on condition that a belief in God will mean no more than belief in anything else. They will allow God, provided that God does not matter. But taking God seriously is precisely what makes the saint. As St. Teresa put it, “What is not God to me is nothing.” This passion is called snobbish, intolerant, stupid, and unwarranted intrusion; yet those who resent it deeply wish in their own hearts that they had the saint’s inner peace and happiness.” ― Fulton J. Sheen, Peace of Soul: Timeless Wisdom on Finding Serenity and Joy by the Century’s Most Acclaimed Catholic Bishop

        Well? Do you agree with Fulton Sheen (who is saying exactly the same thing as the SSPX priest quoted by Gabriel Syme?)

        April 4, 2014 at 3:36 pm
  • gabriel syme

    I enjoyed this recent blog post by Fr John Hunwicke, pitched as a “spring examination paper”.

    Questions 3 – 6 were especially titter-worthy:

    Question 3. Construct a treatise, as if written by a German Cardinal, demonstrating that, although Genocide is not, strictly speaking, acceptable in the current state of the Magisterium, it could nevertheless (given its abiding popularity in both the developed and developing worlds) be tolerated.

    Question 4. Construct a treatise, as if written by an Anglo-Irish Cardinal, demonstrating that, although Genocide is not in accordance with the current state of the Magisterium, application of the principles elucidated by Newman in his Essay on Development might, in the future, make it doctrinally acceptable.

    Question 5. Write a Petrarchian sonnet upon your emotional transports of delight when, on 13 March 2013, standing in S Peter’s Square, you heard the words Buona sera; sono il vescovo di Roma. Have a nice day. [Candidates may not describe the physical charms of Beatrice.]

    Question 6. “The excommunications incurred by the SSPX bishops were remitted by Benedict XVI, but they are still excommunicated schismatics”. How, as a pastor, would you explain this fruitful and elegant paradox to a layperson without a doctorate in Canon Law?

    http://liturgicalnotes.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/father-hunwickes-spring-examination.html

    I can just imagine the likes of Kaspar or Murphy-O’Connor arguing that we should tolerate Genocide in a “pastoral” sense :laughing:

    April 2, 2014 at 10:43 am
  • gabriel syme

    Here is a good letter from a priest in America, Fr. Brian W. Harrison, O.S, regarding Cardinal Kaspars assaults on marriage:

    Fr Harrison on Kasper’s Assault on Marriage: “Satan shaking the Church”

    http://www.cfnews.org/page88/files/8ed2dad73bcb11bbb3a6ff38c0d8d583-197.html

    The level of influence these German apostates are able to exert on the overall Church is frankly ridiculous.

    April 2, 2014 at 11:12 am
    • editor

      Gabriel Syme,

      I saw Fr Harrison’s letter a week or two ago – it’s very good indeed. Will also pay a visit to Fr John Hunwicke’s blog post asap. Thanks for posting both links.

      I watched the BBC Panorama on Pope Francis’s Revolution this evening and considered posting a thread on it but there’s really nothing new in there at all. It’ll be available to view here soon, if anyone wants to take a look (40 minutes in all)

      Towards the end the presenter points out that the new Pope is popular with the faithful … so the message isn’t getting through to the BBC that not all Catholics are fans of “Holy Father Francis” – by the longest chalk imaginable!

      April 3, 2014 at 12:38 am
  • Graeme Taylor

    Gabriel,
    the German bishops influence, sadly, is all to do with the billions of Euros they have control over. Nothing, in reality, to do with Our Lord and His Truth.

    April 3, 2014 at 9:06 am
  • gabriel syme

    Look at this bigoted anti-Catholic rant in The Herald, masquerading as a TV review.

    A TV program is vaguely alluded to in just three of the paragraphs, the rest is bitter ranting and unfair demonisation, straight out of a Chick tract or similar.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/arts-ents/tv-radio/tv-review-panorama-on-whether-the-new-pope-can-start-a-catholic-revolution.1396510818

    The Herald is truly a cheap, parochial rag and is a publication which has done much to foster and maintain divisions and resentment in Scottish society.

    April 3, 2014 at 9:26 am
  • editor

    N O T I C E …

    I have received the following email from our sometime blogger in the USA, “Wurdesmythe” (Sean)

    Dear friends,

    In your charity, please remember in your prayers the repose of the soul of my father, Robert Romer. He passed away March 24; his death was due to complications arising from multiple sclerosis.

    The obituary and photos are online at
    http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/dignity-memorial/obituary.aspx?n=Robert-Romer&lc=4821&pid=170362228&mid=5905434

    A brief account of dad’s last hours is online at
    http://mapskeysclocks.blogspot.com/2014/03/dad-rip.html

    Thank you and God bless you. END OF MESSAGE

    I’ve just read the account of Mr Romer’s death and it is beautiful. Sean was able to get the priest for his father who had been away from the Church for a long time. Well and truly ‘recommended reading’!

    April 5, 2014 at 7:28 pm

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