Pope Francis: Lack of Miracles = No Beatification for Pius XII… Seriously?
ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE (AP) — Pope Francis remained firm in his refusal to allow the beatification of Pope Pius XII, the World War II-era pope accused by some Jews of not speaking out enough against the Holocaust, because he doesn’t have enough miracles in his record. Read more
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Er.. kidding, right? Just remind me how many (and how convincing) were the miracles attributed to Pope John XXIII, Pope John Paul II and the latest fast-tracker, Paul VI? You get my drift?
Much more likely than alleged lack of miracles is the fear of incurring the wrath of those who falsely claim that this great pontiff did not do enough to help the Jews during World War II.
Rabbi Dalin’s honesty stands in stark contrast to the blether than passes for “Jewish-Catholic” relations in the post-Vatican II era of dialogue-into-bore-a-logue.
Or maybe Pope Francis is really keen not to dumb-down the beatification/canonisation process, and we just didn’t notice last time. Seriously, what, if anything, does this tell us about inter-faith activity? I mean, I’m not keen on adding to the number of twentieth century pope-saints – believe me – but I really don’t like double standards. If the number (and quality) of miracles is the litmus test, then surely neither Pope John XXIII or Pope John Paul II would have been canonised?
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“Francis has bent the Vatican’s saint-making rules for a half-dozen people so far in his pontificate, waiving the usual second miracle requirement for example to canonize Pope John XXIII last month. Francis, however, offered no such wiggle room for Pius.”
I took the above quote from the Times of Israel report and it is interesting that they can see that the rules are bent when it suits Pope Francis. The whole canonisation process is now a sham, IMHO. I doubt very much if Pius XII would want any part in it now.
Michaela,
Too true, that Pope Francis waiving the usual second miracle requirement for example to canonize Pope John XXIII last month. The whole canonisation process is a sham.
Was it Pope John Paul II who did away with the Devil’s Advocate, the process by which a clear no nonsense investigation of those individuals put forward for beatification and canonisation?
Does Pope Francis really believe all the nonsense about Pope Pius XII, about the supposed failure to condemn Hitler and his regime? More that he in the modernist mindset is not interested in finding out exactly what Pope Pius did do, before, during and after World War II.
http://www.defendingthebride.com/sn/pius.html
I agree that Pius XII would not want to be part of the “canonisation sham” today. Some day he will be raised to the altars and I hope it’s the same day when certain others are “demoted” – i.e. an announcement made about their causes having to be re-examined due to the flaws in the original process. Then, I guess, they’ll be quietly shelved.
Groucho Marx summed things up when he stated he had written to a club:-
“Please accept my resignation. I don’t want to belong to any club that will accept people like me as a member.”
No doubt Pope Pius X11 is quite content as he is already enjoying heavenly recognition.
Mikidiki,
Groucho Marx also said “I never forget a face but in your case I’ll be glad to make an exception…” but don’t take that personally… 😀
The thing that makes the excuse of “no approved miracles” so thin, is the documented accounts from Pius XII himself of his own experience in the Vatican Gardens, of a “repetition” of the Fatima miracle of the sun (on more than one occasion), which he took as confirmation from Heaven that he should declare the Dogma of the Assumption.
Wouldn’t you think that would balance out (so to speak) the apparent lack of approved miracles, in light of the recent “bending of the rules” in the cases of the recently canonised “saints”? Or, is that me – moi – being a simple gal again?
Besides the ongoing, painfully egregious double standards of this very bad Pope – I think he knows exactly what he is doing – this sorry episode tends to confirm that Bergoglio is just a prop for Jewish Freemasonry. He is, therefore, just acting to please his masters and string-pullers.
I wonder, though, when he is going to realize that he is making an abject fool of himself?
Great Pretender,
I think the Freemasons made it clear that they didn’t expect a “Freemason pope” just one who will unwittingly do their work. I think they’ve found him in Pope Francis.
Do you know what scandalised and upset me more than this?
Pope Francis’ “gesture of apology” to the founder of Zionism, Theodor Herzl, because of the “injustice” that he had apparently received from Pope St Pius X.
Double standards from the pope regarding the potential canonisation of one of his predecessors is one thing, but disparaging an illustrious predecessor who has already been raised to the honour of sainthood is disturbing indeed.
Miles,
Yes, and no doubt the worst is yet to come.
In order not to offend the Chief Rabbi of Israel, Pope Francis has concealed his pectoral Cross on several occasions, the Cross of course being offensive to the sentiments of certain Jews.
http://eponymousflower.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/jerusalem-francis-hid-his-pectoral.html?showComment=1401402876225
And…
http://mundabor.wordpress.com/2014/05/31/successor-of-peter/
Miles Immaculatae,
I looked at those links but in one of the comments someone gave another link to more photos and there were some with the cross showing. I know Mundabor said “don’t insult our intelligence by suggesting it’s not deliberate” but I can’t help thinking that it may not be deliberate (I sincerely hope it’s not deliberate) and maybe he’s just been touching it and moving it, like people do with chains. It would be a treachery beyond belief it he is ashamed to be seen wearing the pectoral cross or thinking he needs to hide the cross out of fear of annoying the Jews.
I agree with Mundabor.
A metal cross does not easily, I shouldn’t imagine, conceal itself accidentally underneath a fascia in such a manner as is shown in the photographs.
Has Pope Francis ever tucked his pectoral cross under his fascia outside of the Holy Land? Does any prelate do this? Usually, if they want to secure the pectoral cross it is fastened to a front button with a clip. I have never seen a pectoral cross tucked into the fascia in this way.
It would appear that Pius Ix’s cross has slipped behind his fascia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_IX
Personally, I do not imagine that Pope Francis is ashamed to be seen wearing the cross nor is he fearful of annoying the Jews.
I believe that the cross in his view is simply part and parcel of his everyday attire with as little meaning as is a necklace to a well dressed woman.
However, since the leaders he meets do attach some significance to the cross, his practice of tucking it away out of sight cleverly indicates his willingness to be open to compromise on each and every aspect of traditional Catholicism.
It is a means of facilitating ecumenism and religious Indifferentism. To use a political mesaage, The Church Is Open For Business.
Fidelis and Mikidiki,
I must insist. Here is more evidence.
This photo was taken months ago of the Pope in the company of Rabbis in Rome. The Pectoral Cross is likewise concealed:
http://mundabor.wordpress.com/2014/06/01/coincidences-2/
(scroll down for picture)
I checked that link. It’s the exact same time and location as the picture in the blog. Obviously it slipped out, or it is Photoshoped. It could easily have slipped out, but it could not have slipped into the tight space between the Pope’s fascia and belly accidentally.
I think saying otherwise is insulting my intelligence.
The Pope is concealing the cross as not to offend Jews. We need to accept it.
what nonsense, he’s simply preventing the cross from swinging all over the place. I have seen many bishops in the vatican who tuck their pectoral cross in their shirt pocket (over the heart) with the same purpose in mind, really!!!
Perplexed
Perhaps if he refrained from bending down to kiss the hands of homosexual activists the cross would not be swinging all over the place?
Therese,
Game, set and match!
A disgrace and an embarrassment.
To think the martyrs went to their deaths over their refusal to compromise Christ, yet Francis will hide him away to avoid even a raised eyebrow.
Why are we all surprised at the Pope’s stance regarding one of the greatest Popes of the twentieth century? Surely Pius XII could be beatified for heroic virtue alone, for all the dangerous work he did in saving the lives of hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, putting his own life in grave peril, as well as the security of the Holy See. He likewise upheld doctrine in Mysticis Corporis and Humani Generis (forgive any spelling errors) and strengthened our Faith and devotion to Mary through Munificentissimus Deus of 1950, which dogmatically defined the glorious Assumption of Our Blessed Lady. He likewise issued aggressive denunciations of the Communist persecutions in Eastern Europe and China, by notably excommunicating the government of Hungary, which Paul VI in his Ostpolitik (which is German for ‘I’m a closet Communist’), curiously lifted.
Tell me, what has Pope Francis done of late? Made pointless platitudes to ‘peace’ in the Middle East between Jews and Muslims, the followers of ‘two great religions’ and ‘children of Abraham’. I don’t think that Pius XII would have said such an erroneous thing. The Pope has the ability to bring lasting peace, i.e through the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart. That is probably just a minor detail to him, and offensive to his ecumaniac mindset.
At the end of the day, Pope Francis is under the control of his Judeo-Masonic-Communist paymasters of the New World Order, as were his predecessors, John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II and Benedict XVI.
No one dare call it a conspiracy!
Likewise we can count out the canonisation of the Venerable Pius IX, who like Pius XII, is slandered as a virulent anti-Semite. The Pope started out quite liberal in his Pontificate by releasing revolutionaries and opening the Roman Ghetto and removing the requirement on Jews to attend Mass and hear sermons. However, after the Roman Republic fell in 1850, he went full circle and became extremely conservative, resulting in him reinstating the Ghetto. Likewise there was the highly publicised case when the Jewish boy Edgardo Mortara was siezed by the Papal authorities after being baptised by the Catholic housekeeper, in an emergency when the boy was gravely ill. The law said those baptised as Catholics could not be raised by Jews and rightly so. The boy loved the Pope as his own father and became a Priest.
This does not equate to anti-Semitism. Do you know the greatest anti-Semite and Jew-hater on Earth today? It is the Reigning Pontiff. Why? Because he says that the ‘Jewish Covenant was never revoked’ and ‘they are not called to turn away from idols’. He hates them because he is denying them the right to see the fullness of truth, and is thus leading them to damnation. We love the Jews, us traditionalists, as did Archbishop Lefebvre, that is why we want to evangelise them and bring them into Christ’s Church, not feed them empty words. Sometimes the truth can hurt, hence the insults hurled at us by neo-Catholics.
Being the 1st June, I can’t help thinking that it must sadden the Sacred Heart of Jesus deeply to see his Vicars on earth (the last few) refusing to preach to the Jews the need for the Church and salvation through the death and resurrection of Christ.
Educated Jews like the rabbi quoted in the intro, will know perfectly well that Pope Francis is being a traitor, so what’s the point? Is he trying to impress secular society with his broad-mindedness or what is it that makes him think the Jews don’t need to convert to Christ? How can it be anti-Semitic to want the Jews to be saved?
“I really don’t like double standards. If the number (and quality) of miracles is the litmus test, then surely neither Pope John XXIII or Pope John Paul II would have been canonised?”
This is it, Editor!
Big time, Lionel 😀
I didn’t like Francis’ rule bending as it was, but his strict adherence to the rules wrt Pius XII exposes his attitude as being one of pure ideology.
People are not stupid and it will damage their faith and shake (what remains of) their confidence in the Papacy to see this open and blatant gerrymandering.
Gabriel Syme,
A reader emailed me a link to this very good Mundabor article about “blogger priests” and the question of showing more and more concern about Pope Francis. So, there are some signs that “people are not stupid” after all – sometimes it has seemed that way over the years!
Thanks Editor – I had seen that article previously (I like Mundabor and his robust manner!).
I agree with him and have noticed the increasingly critical tone of various blogs / outlets etc. Even Fr Z seems to have (finally) dropped the desperate “read Francis through Benedict” rubbish, which was long since threadbare.
However I also agree with Mundabor that too many bloggers / commentators will still not criticise Francis directly, instead preferring to dance around the issues. Hopefully that will change too. After all, I understand that St Paul criticised the first Pope “because he was blameable” – what better example for us today, than St Paul?
I am hoping Francis is noticing that – beyond Jews, Muslims and the Secular West – he is pretty unpopular amongst informed people.
I read somewhere recently that he recently tetchily claimed that the synod isn’t chiefly about gerrymandering communion for the divorced. Hopefully the criticism is prompting a change of tact.
I have enjoyed the fact that Francis and Kaspar have been shown to be either deceitful or plain stupid, in their presentation of Orthodox attitudes to marriage – (as per http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1350806?eng=y) – they don’t have two grains of credibility to rub together between them.
Well since we had a revolution in the Church at Vatican 2 it seems to be playing out as expected …
“That was part of the arrangement!” cried Squealer. “Jones’s shot only grazed him. I could show you this in his own writing, if you were able to read it. The plot was for Snowball, at the critical moment, to give the signal for flight and leave the field to the enemy. And he very nearly succeeded– I will even say, comrades, he WOULD have succeeded if it had not been for our heroic Leader, Comrade Napoleon. Do you not remember how, just at the moment when Jones and his men had got inside the yard, Snowball suddenly turned and fled, and many animals followed him? And do you not remember, too, that it was just at that moment, when panic was spreading and all seemed lost, that Comrade Napoleon sprang forward with a cry of ‘Death to Humanity!’ and sank his teeth in Jones’s leg? Surely you remember THAT, comrades?” exclaimed Squealer, frisking from side to side. (7.17) – George Orwell (Animal Farm)
I am certain that in quoting this extract from Animal Farm you make valid points but, unfortunately, I am too ignorant to comprehend what they are. I yearn to be enlightened. Please and thanks.
The point I am trying to make (although it does not match up exactly) is to do with how the concept of truth keeps changing. In animal farm they started on with a set of 7 commandments. However, gradually the pigs changed the rules to hide the fact that basically they had taken over the leadership roles but were even more selfish/corrupt than the original owners.
In the book, the character Snowball was one of the original leaders of the revolution but even he was cast out at the opportune moment by Napoleon (the other leader).
I feel the modernist are basically doing the same. They seem to invoke the churches authority whenever it suits them. If one raises what seem logical objections (e.g. how can a Pope who kisses a Koran be considered a saint when in earlier times people have been martyred over such things) they use some sophistry to claim that somehow JPIIs action are different.
Specifically, Pope Francis seems to be claiming that Pius XII does not have enough miracles attributed to him. I have heard reports of all kinds of miracles which are far more believable than anything I have heard about Popes John XXIII or JP2.
The last of the Narnia books “The Last Battle” seems to sum up the situation perfectly. I sometimes wonder how C.S.Lewis could have been so prescient. Perhaps he has studied the end of earlier periods in history and seen similar pattern.
I feel we must be living and the end of time or and least the end of the epoch.
cbucket
I feel obliged to say that your response is very thought provoking and enlightening. Thanks so much for it.
Is there a hint in there somewhere that as the leadership changes and evolves, an even more extreme and devious tyrant, surrounded and supported by equally corrupt cohorts, emerges to universal acclaim to bring a semblance of order to the chaos?
On the new and enlightened ‘Farm’ Truth becomes a transient concept and Tradition merely akin to folklore. I can hardly wait for the decisions of the forthcoming Synods. Then, perhaps, pigs might fly!
Mikidiki
“Is there a hint in there somewhere that as the leadership changes and evolves, an even more extreme and devious tyrant, surrounded and supported by equally corrupt cohorts, emerges to universal acclaim to bring a semblance of order to the chaos?”
Are you talking about me, again?
Sorry, Madam Editor, but if the cap fits ….. !!
CBucket
I think the similarity between the list that the animals made in Animal Farm and the facility which with modernists invoke the Church’s authority when it suits them is simple because there was/is a hidden agenda – the pigs didn’t actually care about any other animal’s rights but their own, which ultimately boiled down to Napoleon’s rights and those closest to him. The modernists don’t care about any authority but their own but pretend to be authentic teachers. Truth doesn’t come into either position.
Pope Pius XII and Pope Francis, just two of many great Popes to serve God and his Church: te laudamus, Domine!
Perplexed
On what grounds do you consider Pope Francis to be a great Pope?
I feel I have been rash about Pope Francis. I do not know the reason why his pectoral cross is concealed. It could be in order to secure it.
Miles,
I think you are right – in fact, I think Papa Francis is such a terrible pope that if he took it into his head that his pectoral cross might annoy the Jews, he’d simply remove it, without giving it so much as a sideways glance. I kid you not.
I have to say that the input on this blog is so far superior to other blogs. The calibre of the posters is extraordinary. Also, the knowledge of the Faith, literature and philosophical matters is amazing. Well done you folks.
Crofterlady,
Great post from you – you forgot just one thing though … my name 😯
Eh..thingmy, apparently all you need nowadays is a temporary miracle like John Paul II. You know the kind, an ill person feels better, it’s declared a miracle and you’re canonised and then the person becomes ill again. Simples….
I just do not get it why Pope Pius XII is not a sant. Padre Pio saw him in heaven. It was the play in the 60s on being Hitler’s Pope. The play was full of lies.
Chris
Chris,
Your post was lying in our SPAM queue, hence the delay in my seeing it. That would be due, no doubt, to the advert and link you placed at the end. Keep to one of our Golden Rules – stick to the topic – and you won’t end up in SPAM or moderation.
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