Pope Should “Stamp Out” Orkney Redemptorists – Aberdeen Priest

Pope Should “Stamp Out” Orkney Redemptorists – Aberdeen Priest

papastronsayMgr Basil Loftus’ latest savage attack on the traditional Mass and all that goes with it
(e.g. doctrine, morals, vestments)  is writ large in this week’s Catholic Times where he traces the history of Pope Francis’ efforts to “stamp out” traditional Orders, praising his “patience and tolerance of those who disagree with him” (straight faces all round, please and thank you) but pointing out that, nevertheless, “he feels bound to intervene.”  There are just too many examples, too much of the Monsignor’s “all over the place” style of writing for me to be bothered quoting verbatim, but the upshot is that, since Papa Francis The Merciful has made great inroads into stamping out the old rite Mass whenever and wherever possible in foreign parts, perhaps it’s now time for him to turn to our own shores and put the ancient Mass out of reach once and for all. Mgr Loftus writes: “One only has to think, in our own countries, of the  “Tridentine” Redemptorists in the Orkney Islands – almost but not quite visible across the water from my study window as I write this.”  He adds: “There are other communities of ‘St Peter’ priests in the dioceses of Shrewsbury and of Lancaster who are not only totally cocooned in pre-Vatican II rubrics and pre-Pius XII liturgical outlook; but who enjoy immunity and isolation from the 99.9 recurrent percent of the rest of the Catholic Church, as though it were a contagious disease against which their baptism had not vaccinated them.” 

There is  a laughable reference to Robert Mickens of the insufferable and largely Anglican “Tablet” whom he quotes as saying: “this” [devotion to the ancient Mass] “goes to ecclesiology and not just to lace and cappa magnas”. Too true.  Just as the new Mass “goes to” Modernism, that synthesis of all heresies, so the Traditional Latin Mass “goes to” the traditional Catholic Faith, dogma, morals, the lot. And that’s why Mgr Loftus concludes his latest venomous attack on the Mass with the hope that Pope Francis will see off the traditional Mass here, as he has tried to do elsewhere, in jig time. “The whole question” [of the old Mass] “has to be examined” he opines, as if anybody takes him seriously. “Our own countries” he concludes “are by no means the worst offenders [“offenders”?] – but there is room for thought to be given to the matter. ” (Taken from Mgr Loftus: Crusade of mercy and forgiveness, Catholic Times, 12 December, 2014)

Honestly, I can’t make up my mind for whom I feel most pity:  Loftus himself, for his ignorance of the Faith and  total lack of true Catholicity, Flaherty, his editor for his sheer stupidity in publishing Loftus {without a thought to how he’s going to get himself out of his Modernist hole when Pope Pius XIII is elected!) or the Transalpine Monks for having thrown in the towel in the fight against Modernism, knowing now that in addition to not being wanted by the Bishop in the first place, they are now treated to the spectacle of the Bishop (Hugh Gilbert of Aberdeen) permitting another priest resident in the Diocese to publicly insult  and humiliate them,  all but calling for them to be “stamped out”.  Just imagine if any traditional priest had similarly insulted Loftus or any other Modernist in the public square. Would the Bishop remain silent? You kidding?  Maybe you feel sorry for the Bishop caught in the middle of this shocking  attack by Mgr Loftus on the monks? So, let’s hear it – who, if any of the above, gets your sympathy? 

Comments (88)

  • City Girl

    I completely agree with all the comments about the Transalpine monks returning to the SSPX. I think this attack by Monsignor Loftus put together with the bishop’s silence just might make the monks think again. I do hope so. Nobody I know would think any less of them, quite the opposite. It always takes courage to turn back from a road wrongly taken – and they did so in good faith at the time, so I think everyone would admire them for saying “sorry, but this isn’t what we signed up for. We don’t want any part of the Modernism being spread from the top of the house.” I know I would sing their praises from the rooftops and I know quite a few others who would do the same.

    December 18, 2014 at 9:34 pm
  • JARay

    I happen to read the blog of Fr. Zulsdorf (amongst many others) and I have just read his article on the requirement…yes, “requirement” that all priests be able to read Latin. His article begins:-
    “Many are the times that I have lamented the nearly complete disobedience to the Code of Canon Law and the expressed will of modern Roman Pontiffs about the Latin language. For example, the 1983 Code of Canon Law, can. 249, requires – it doesn’t suggest or recommend or propose – that seminarians be very well trained in Latin: “lingua latina bene calleant“. Not just calleant, says can. 249, but bene calleant. Calleo is “to be practised, to be wise by experience, to be skilful, versed in” or “to know by experience or practice, to know, have the knowledge of, understand”.”
    You may wish to turn to his blog and read the whole article. It is very interesting indeed.

    December 18, 2014 at 9:37 pm
    • editor

      JARay,

      That’s interesting. However, we’re not fans of Fr Z here – he’s blocked more than one of us from his site just for disagreeing with him (e.g. on the use of Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion.)

      Still, thanks for that information – if you’d provided a link I would have taken a look but the thought of Googling “Fr Z” is just too much… 😀

      December 18, 2014 at 11:04 pm
  • Dr John Dowden

    Nothing quite like traddies for getting the Latin wrong – ‘calleo’ cannot be a present infinitive, it is the first person present singular. ‘Callere’ – to know (the opposite is CTS, ‘to not know’ exactly).

    December 18, 2014 at 10:17 pm
    • editor

      Dowden,

      Shucks, are you clever or what? So clever, in fact, that there will be no excuse for you at your judgement for not entering the Catholic Church. No excuse whatsoever. There’ll be no mention of “calleo” – trust me… Just mention (and plenty of it) of your obstinate refusal to submit to the one, holy Catholic and apostolic Church of Christ. No matter how often you repeat “miserere” (or any other Latin word, phrase, sentence, present infinitive, first person present singular… whatever… at that stage, it will be too late. Reflect…

      PS … And shouldn’t that be “There’s no group/people quite like traddies…”?

      December 18, 2014 at 11:02 pm
      • Dr John Dowden

        Not a question of “clever” – just the very elementary rule that one construes the meaning one language by giving the equivalent grammatical form in the other. Reminds me of the blogger pontificating here on how we were all wrong on the translation of a Latin noun without seeing that the noun in question was a verb. It is really odd to see traddies clamouring to get back to the good old days of Latin without themselves having any sort of accurate grasp of the language: flogging a dead horse.

        And your notion that Christened Anglicans have not “entered” the church or need to “submit” to any foreign body (such as the Italian mission to the Irish) really is a dead horse – so far as I can discover the Roman-Catholic Church gave up on this sort of uncharitable nonsense back in the sixties.

        Do check with head office.

        December 19, 2014 at 11:06 pm
      • Fidelis

        Dr John,

        Nobody needs to know Latin to want to have the Mass prayed in it. The whole point is that it is a dead language and cannot be changed the way the lingo-loonies keep changing English. Think of what “gay” used to mean! We want our prayers to God to mean the right thing, not to mean this one minute and something else the next. It doesn’t matter whether we understand every word of Latin or not, it’s God who matters, not us. The words we address to him must be orthodox. That’s the important thing. We can be confident when praying the old Mass that what God is hearing is acceptable. That’s what matters.

        The Church has always taught and always will teach that salvation is only to be found within the Catholic Church. Any Anglicans who are saved will not be saved through the Anglican church because that is a breakaway sect, broken away from Christ’s Church. “Head Office” is still teaching that, and always will.

        December 20, 2014 at 12:10 am
      • Petrus

        I was discussing this sort of thing yesterday with a lapsed Catholic atheist who is attracted to Eastern Orthodoxy (what a combination of mixed up nonsense!). He said he liked Orthodox art and music. I explained that the Orthodox art and music is actually Catholic. It belongs to the Catholic Church. It is how the Catholic Church in eastern areas expresses itself. You see exactly the same art and hear the same music in Eastern Catholic Churches.

        By the way, the same goes for the Sacraments. A valid baptism is always Catholic baptism. The Sacraments belong to the Catholic Church. Anything in heretical and schismatic denominations that has any worth is Catholic. The rest is man made nonsense.

        December 20, 2014 at 7:51 am
      • Dr John Dowden

        Petrus,

        Not quite accurate. Yes the Orthodox and the Anglicans and all sorts are part of the Catholic Church without being Roman Catholics (Ed: wrong. That’s not what Petrus said. They are schismatics). But historically the vast majority of the Orthodox are Russian or other Slavonic peoples. Russia owes nothing to Rome and has never been part of the Roman obedience – its liturgy, its art and its iconography owe very little to the Latin tradition. Glasgow has one (perhaps still two) Orthodox cathedrals – toddle along and see what it actually looks like and then have a think about how risible exaggerated claims are. The Roman-Catholic Church not longer makes them (if it ever actually did).
        Ed: you really cannot hide your hatred of the Catholic Church – the only Church which can trace its history right back to Christ Himself, so that, alone, reveals the ignorance in your repeated attacks on the one, true Church. One thing, though, Dowden, you deserve a medal for being a Master of the Art of Distortion (MAD)

        December 20, 2014 at 10:28 am
      • Dr John Dowden

        When it comes to these things 1570 is not “old” is is new – the new order of Pius V has all sorts of features unknown to the Greek or Orthodox rites and misses feature of the English and Scottish Sarum rites. There is no reason to put it on a pedestal and the fact that the vast majority can make neither head nor tail of it is (as Queen Elizabeth saw back in 1570) a reason to keep a Latin text for the schools and universities but give the rest something in a “tongue understanded of the people”. Check out the official position on salvation in other “ecclesial bodies”: the RCC has moved on (or in young Mr Newman’s happy phrase) “developed” since 1958.

        Ed: if people can’t make head nor tail of the Traditional Latin Mass, how come the young are flocking to it in droves, where it is made available? I could make both head AND tail of it when I was a (slim, glamorous, highly intelligent, witty and fashionable) teenager. So, howzabout you check out the stats for Mass attendance in your neck of the woods before and after the (illicit) introduction of the vernacular Mass which, at a wild guess, I suspect will mirror the stats worldwide. If we’re talking folks not being able to make head or tail of anything, it’s why, when the Church wasn’t broke, somebody decided to “fix” it. Of course, when you really get down to studying that subject, you realise you need to have a good old read at the
        Alta Vendita at which point you realise, if you have any sense of the supernatural at all, that we are dealing here with the “principalities and powers” of whom St Paul warned have the intention of destroying Christ’s Church and who are too stupid and faithless to know that they cannot succeed.

        December 20, 2014 at 10:22 am
      • Petrus

        Dowden

        Actually, the Roman Rite predates all other liturgies. It is often thought that the eastern rites are older. Not so. It stretches back to at least St Gregory the Great and even further into antiquity. There is no rites as venerable and ancient as the Roman Rite.

        December 20, 2014 at 1:05 pm
      • Petrus

        Dr dowdy,

        You are irrelevant and your denomination is at death’s door.

        Goodbye

        December 20, 2014 at 7:46 am
    • JARay

      I feel that I must point out that I only quoted a part of what Fr. Zulsdorf is saying and I suggest that when he says”Calleo is “to be practised, to be wise by experience, to be skilful,” he is not exactly giving a Latin lesson he has merely given the first word of the conjugation of the verb “Calleo, callere, callui etc”, which, by the way, can also mean “to be thick skinned” and he does point out, further on in his article, that we get the English word “Callus” from it which is the thickening of the skin!!!
      But the whole point is that it does mean “to be wise, to be well informed etc. etc.
      But then, dear Doctor, you may be well versed in calluses, also!

      December 19, 2014 at 12:11 pm
      • Dr John Dowden

        I don’t doubt that the mistake was Fr Z’s rather than yours and I entirely agree that it would be unwise of him to get into the business of giving Latin lessons. Fact remains that there is no sense in trying to revive dead provisions of a dead law code on the use of a dead language when those who propose the revival cannot quite construe the language themselves. It may be a pity that the ability to use Latin in liturgy has died but died it has. There will always be odd corners where archaeological reconstructions are possible – especially where specialist groups and authentic music is involved – but for better or worse it is now a minority interest. Latin is not gallus these days.

        December 19, 2014 at 11:15 pm
      • Fidelis

        Dr John,

        Latin is the official language of the Church to this day and the Latin liturgy is anything but dead. That’s what bothers nutcases like Mgr Loftus.

        December 20, 2014 at 12:05 am
  • Danielle

    I know people who have had Mgr Loftus in their parish for Mass on supply when their priest was away. The mother says her teenage children embarrass her because they make comments through his homily. When she’s told them off, they’re pointed out that he says things that are not right – they have sufficient knowledge of their religion to know when something is way out. She told me a while back that they sometimes read this blog, so maybe that’s helped!

    December 18, 2014 at 11:58 pm
  • Danielle

    Mgr Loftus is outrageous in the way he criticises conservative priests and bishops. He has been really ugly about Cardinal Burke, so it is not surprising that he has also attacked the Papa Stronsay community. He hates the old rite Mass so anyone who is associated with it, is a target for his weekly rant in the Catholic Times.

    I know people up north who would love it if the monks on Papa Stronsay were to make the break from the diocese again. I think they would be more feared then and they would have more influence.

    December 19, 2014 at 12:07 am
    • editor

      Danielle & others who have expressed the same opinion about “The Return of the Papa Stronsay Monks” – I agree wholeheartedly.

      Come back, Fathers and Brothers – we need you! Christ’s Church needs you!

      December 19, 2014 at 10:20 am
  • crofterlady

    In some ways I can understand why they “reconciled”. Being in an irregular place regarding Mother Church is not a comfortable place to be. Then when the Summorum Pontificum was issued, they must have felt that things would be alright for them and other traditionalist groups; and it might have been, but for the the defection of Pope Benedict. But surely now they can see that they cannot provide much of an apostolate being kept at bay by the hierarchy and priests alike?

    The bishop doesn’t want them roaming about in his modernist diocese and that’s for sure. Even when there exists “stable groups” asking for the old liturgy, the bishop only seems to allow it on weekdays or, if there’s an SSPX threat nearby, on a Sunday as has happened in Aberdeen. The duplicity is diabolical.

    Personally, my family have just given up on these prelates and now worship (when possible) in peace at an SSPX Mass.

    December 19, 2014 at 5:19 pm
    • editor

      Crofterlady,

      I agree – looking back, a case could certainly be made to excuse (for want of a better word) their “reconciliation” (to which I was unequivocally hostile at the time) but equally, things are now so much worse that it is difficult to see how they can justify the current situation. I really hope that the Mgr Loftus attack and loud silence from the Bishop will make them re-think their position, in favour of returning to the Church Militant – with bells on!

      It’s good that your family now attend SSPX Masses – I think more and more people are turning to the Society in response to the shenanigans of Papa Francis.

      December 19, 2014 at 6:27 pm
  • Marsaili

    Well, I still have sympathy for the Redemptorists. However, rather than expecting that they should go back to their pre-reconciliation-with-Rome standards, I would like them to live up to the ideals of St. Alphonsus. The main concern for St. Aphonsus, in his day, was not to fight against the prevalent heresies of his day, but rather he was very concerned about the country folk not being properly catechized. He formed his missioners with the proper teachings of the Catholic faith, so that he could preach to the poor country folk. I don’t see that the Archdiocese of Aberdeen is even allowing them to do that, for the most part. I’m not too concerned with the harsh words from Mgr. Loftus. The Redemptorists are used to the animosity from modernists in Scotland. That’s nothing new. We have to expect that if we are to adhere to the Old Mass, and older Church teachings. It may get worse before it gets better.

    December 19, 2014 at 9:06 pm
    • editor

      Marsaili,

      You kidding me? Have you READ any of the sermons of St Alphonsus? If you think that great saint, bishop and Doctor of the Church would be going along to git along in the midst of this, the greatest crisis ever to hit Christ’s Church, then you need help. Click here if you don’t believe me and trawl some of those sermons. The titles alone tell us all we need to know about how St Alphonsus would be dealing with the scandals in which Holy Mother Church is currently engulfed.

      As to how the teachings of the Church can possibly be “older” than the Mass… eh? The Mass was instituted on Holy Thursday – you don’t get much “older” than that.

      Oh and I fear you’ve missed the point about Mgr Loftus. “Harsh words” from him is not the issue. The fact that the Monsignor is permitted to attack, in print read UK-wide, a fellow priest in the diocese without the Bishop raising his voice, tells us all we need to know about the fruits of the so called “reconciliation.” What actually happened, clearly, is that the diocese scored a goal in getting the monks to abandon the fight “outside the walls” (but clearly within the Church, unless St Athanasius really WAS excommunicated x twice) in order to achieve the appearance of being united within the diocese. Clearly the monks are not wanted there (I could write more, since I’ve heard plenty on the grapevine, but will – uncharacteristically – say nothing.) Therefore, I think they would be well advised to say “thanks Bishop of Aberdeen, we did our bit but it just didn’t work out. See you after the Consecration of Russia.”

      I mean, can you IMAGINE St Alphonsus remaining silent in the face of this sort of scandal?

      December 19, 2014 at 9:29 pm
  • Marsaili

    Dear Editor,

    Which heresies did St. Alphonsus actively fight against and publically speak out about? Please be specific. Thank you most kindly.

    December 19, 2014 at 9:56 pm
    • editor

      Clearly, you didn’t read the list of his sermons where just about every heresy in the book is covered – not least his sermon on the false understanding of mercy – one of the heresies with which we are becoming increasingly familiar these days.

      So let’s dispense with the semantics. St Alphonsus preached the Faith in its fullness and would never in a million years have remained silent in the face of reports about a Pope who has made known his love for an erotic dance and permitted it to be performed (a) in the sanctuary when he was Cardinal in Argentina and (b) in St Peter’s Square. And his sermons also covered the dangers of false religions so he’d definitely have been addressing the heresies of ecumenism, inter-faith dialogue were he alive today.

      I notice you didn’t answer my question – do you really think St Alphonsus would remain silent in the face of the scandals we are enduring today? The Tango in St Peter’s Square and before the Tabernacle? Ecumenism? Inter-Faith Dialogue – WOULD he remain silent?

      December 19, 2014 at 10:19 pm
      • Marsaili

        Thank you, but since you did not answer the question, I see no reason to comment further on the subject. I’m not a big fan of immanantism (emotional conjecture). God bless you this Advent season.

        December 19, 2014 at 10:26 pm
      • editor

        I did, indeed, answer your question. You just don’t like the answer!

        December 19, 2014 at 11:50 pm
      • Fidelis

        Marsaili,

        “Which heresies did St. Alphonsus actively fight against and publically speak out about?”

        This is a very strange question, IMHO. Is there an example you could give of another saint who fixated on one particular heresy at a time when there were lots of heresies?

        I was also looking forward to your answer to editor’s question about Saint Alphonsus and would he keep silent in the face of the scandals in the Church today. I think not, but would like to know what you think.

        December 20, 2014 at 12:03 am
  • pew catholic

    Do have a look at the latest Loftus outpouring in this week’s SCO …

    Happy Christmas to Editor and all CT bloggers!

    December 20, 2014 at 12:38 pm
    • editor

      Pew Catholic,

      Put us out of our misery and tell us, or your Christmas bonus will be donated to a lost cause such as the movement for the ordination of women – ouch!

      December 20, 2014 at 8:34 pm
      • pew catholic

        Oh, he’s just repeating all the Synod stuff about mercy. He also says ‘we must loosen up Liturgically’. His last sentence is a beauty:’The Church is changing, and if we are to be faithful to it, we must change with it.’

        Happy Christmas!

        December 21, 2014 at 3:56 pm
      • Athanasius

        Pew Catholic

        St. Pius X would have had a field day with this errant Pope.

        December 21, 2014 at 4:01 pm
  • crouchback

    Maybe this stupid old man should have a read of Rorate Caeli blog where an article informs us the stupid old men of the Franciscan Order who are busy “stamping themselves out”….apparently they are stony broke after some dubious financial dealings……is there anyone in the church of vatican II capable of operating a whelk stall

    December 20, 2014 at 10:16 pm
    • Athanasius

      Crouchback

      Very good! Yes, maybe the Franciscans are getting their just desserts for what they did to the Franciscans of the Immaculate! Our Lord is certainly not pleased, that’s for sure.

      December 21, 2014 at 3:59 pm
  • Theresa Rose

    Yes Crouchback maybe the stupid old man should and this is the link to it – http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/12/franciscan-minister-general-to-order.html

    Just desserts indeed. But this news has also reached the secular news.

    Athanasius I agree with you.

    December 21, 2014 at 5:26 pm

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