Father Gruner RIP

Father Gruner RIP

Rest in Peace: Father Nicholas Gruner, May 4, 1942 — April 29, 2015 

The Management Team of the Fatima Center sadly announces the death of Father Nicholas Gruner, who passed away suddenly this evening. Father died at his office, working to his last breath on the goals to which he dedicated his 38 years in the priesthood — the promotion of the Message of Fatima, especially the release of the full Third Secret and the Consecration of Russia to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart.

Details concerning the visitation and funeral for Father will be announced in the upcoming days. For now, in your charity, please pray for Father and for his Apostolate, which will continue to seek to bring his life’s work to a successful conclusion.  Source


Many of us here in Scotland were privileged to meet Fr Gruner when he came here to address one of our Catholic Truth conferences.  We are very sad and shocked to hear of his sudden death. We will have Holy Mass offered for the repose of his soul.  Eternal rest grant unto him, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon him, may he rest in peace.


Comments (79)

  • westminsterfly

    I am shocked and saddened at this news. Somehow, you just think that priests like him are going to go on for ever . . . we should never take our good priests for granted. I met him once at a talk he gave while in England and was deeply impressed by him. I’m sure, like St Therese, he will ‘spend his time in Heaven doing good upon earth’ for the fulfilment of the Fatima message, which he gave his life to. May he rest in peace.

    April 30, 2015 at 9:13 am
  • leprechaun

    Madame Editor,

    I met Fr. Grüner at the Catholic Truth Scotland Glasgow Conference, and I have never ceased to be impressed by his dedication to serving the cause of Our Lady, and especially his efforts to bring her Fatima instructions to fruition.

    May God bring forth a worthy successor to fight the cause here onwards, and may the soul of Fr. Grüner rest in peace.

    April 30, 2015 at 10:41 am
    • editor


      We were privileged that Fr Gruner accepted our invitation to address a Conference in Glasgow – and it was truly wonderful. My then twelve year old niece who attended the Conference knelt at his feet and asked him to give her a special blessing so that she would “become a good Catholic girl” – and as far as we can tell, that prayer has been answered.

      I know we must pray for the repose of his soul in charity, as we always do in case a soul has to spend time in Purgatory and I am doing that, of course. But I am also praying to him for it would not surprise me in the least if this saintly soul is now among the saints in Heaven.

      As for your concern for a “worthy successor” – I can’t imagine anyone in Father’s place, and, to be honest, I think that – as we say in Scotland – we’ve all been “telt” now. God has provided the three visionaries, Sr Lucia’s spiritual director with totally reliable quotes from her, and Father Gruner. We’ve had the warnings and messages for a very long period of time now. I think God has done all that He can to warn us and maybe we will now seen the even speedier advance of the chastisement, already, I think, underway. I often say I hope I’m wrong. I’ve never meant it more than now…

      April 30, 2015 at 5:45 pm
    • gabriel syme

      May God bring forth a worthy successor

      That is an excellent point Leprechaun – we should all pray for a successor worthy of Fr Gruner, to carry on his good work.

      April 30, 2015 at 9:20 pm
  • gabriel syme

    Rest in Peace Fr Gruner.

    Both the Church and the world owe you a great debt for your tireless promotion of the Fatima message, especially in the face of those who would rather forget the message.

    April 30, 2015 at 10:41 am
  • Catherine

    May he rest in peace. We will pray for Fr. Gruner. I always felt guilty that I did not do enough to help spread the Fatima Message. I’m sure he will be a saint in heaven.

    April 30, 2015 at 10:55 am
  • Jobstears

    I am very saddened to hear the news. Fr. Gruner worked unstintingly for Our Lady, I am sure he is reaping his reward now.

    Rest in Peace, Father.

    April 30, 2015 at 2:24 pm
  • Margaret Mary

    I’m truly stunned at this news. Father Gruner is the only person I’ve trusted to tell the truth about Fatima. I cannot believe it.

    I will remember him in my prayers, of course, I will, but he is, I have no doubt, already in Heaven.

    May he rest in peace.

    April 30, 2015 at 3:15 pm
  • Fidelis

    I am stunned, too. I am truly shocked at the sudden death of a saintly priest.

    May he rest in peace.

    April 30, 2015 at 3:16 pm
  • crofterlady

    May he rest in peace.

    I wonder if he had a history of heart problems?

    April 30, 2015 at 3:19 pm
    • editor


      I doubt very much that Father Gruner had a history of heart problems. I think we’d have known that. I have spoken many times with various members of the Fatima Center (at Conferences etc.) and although they always refer to his hard work and self-sacrifice, I have no recollection of anyone mentioning a heart problem. No, I think this is a case of we’ve had our warnings, we’re on our own now, humanly speaking. How could anyone replace Father Gruner?

      April 30, 2015 at 5:38 pm
      • Attono

        Couldn’t agree with you more. Many times watching Father and to see his Lips quivering with emotion I believe he felt more keenly than any one else the consequences, the anguish and pain of not obeying Our Mother. Did he die of a broken heart, a victim soul if you will?.

        April 30, 2015 at 6:03 pm
      • editor


        I doubt that. Father Gruner was not working for his own satisfaction. I have spelt out below, my own thoughts on why Father was taken from us at this time, but I do not believe for a second that he would have nursed a “broken heart”. He understood the simple Catholic principle of doing all that he could to obey Our Lady of Fatima, and then leaving his efforts to God.

        I think he was, in a sense, a “victim soul” – just watch that awful video clip of Fr Paul Nicholson tearing his character to bits and there is no doubt that Father Gruner was persecuted as a result of his devotion to Our Lady.

        April 30, 2015 at 6:31 pm
      • westminsterfly

        Exactly. Remember what Our Lady said at Akita on October 13th, 1973:- “The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres . . .” This prophecy of Our Lady certainly applied to Fr Gruner. Is Fr Nicholson ever scorned and opposed for his devotion to Our Lady? I very much doubt it. Lauded and feted by his media followers, more like, for toeing the party line on Fatima.

        April 30, 2015 at 7:36 pm
  • Athanasius

    I have just returned home from work to be told the sad news. I am completely shocked at the sudden death of this very holy priest of Our Lady, but certain that she was there to escort him to heaven. He will be greatly missed.

    April 30, 2015 at 3:48 pm
    • Stan

      Very true. God Bless you-Like Padre Pio, Fr Gruner will do more good in Heaven than he even did on Earth. Lets pray to him and of course to the Blessed Virgin Mary who he loves and who loves him so dearly. Good God, eternal rest grant on to him.

      May 2, 2015 at 12:01 am
      • editor


        He definitely had a deep love for Our Lady. If you’d ever attended one of his Masses and seen him looking so lovingly at her statue, you would know that his love for Our Lady cannot be doubted.

        May 2, 2015 at 3:07 pm
  • damselofthefaith

    May Fr. Nicholas Gruner rest in peace and be rewarded for his valiant defense of the message of Our Lady of Fatima. We will all miss him.


    (I tweeted my post, with my response to Fr. Paul Nicholson’s condemnation of Fr. Gruner and got blocked from his twitter page. This is the way he’s treated, even at death.)

    April 30, 2015 at 3:54 pm
    • editor


      Thank you for posting that link – that priest, Fr Paul Nicholson comes across as about the most arrogant imaginable. And how completely insensitive to go on the attack like that, as the news of Father Gruner’s death is breaking around the world. Shame on him.

      It’s a true saying that we can tell a lot about people by the company they keep. Seems Fr Paul Nicholson and Michael Voris are pals: the misnamed “Church Militant” Facebook page came up when I Googled and found this snippet… “The talks Michael Voris & Fr. Paul Nicholson gave in NOVA SCOTIA a while ago are here; nine talks and a Q&A session.” No wonder Voris is so confused, mixing with priests like Fr Nicholson.

      There is no need here to analyse Fr Paul Nicholson’s entirely ignorant and stupid comments about obedience. I wish someone (not me, I can’t be bothered trying to educate the likes of him) would send him a copy of Father Gruner’s most recent (now, we know, his last) book entitled Crucial Truths To Save Your Soul, in which he quotes the Fathers and Doctors of the Church to correct this ridiculous notion that to Catholics “obedience” means “doing what you are told” uncritically. And Fr Nicholson is wrong about Our Lady – she didn’t obey unthinkingly at all. At the Annunciation she asked for an explanation: “How can this come about…” She accepted the supernatural explanation given by the Archangel Gabriel, of course, in pure faith, but she did use her critical faculty and didn’t fall prey to any false obedience.

      The more I think about Father Gruner’s untimely death, the more certain I am that this is, in fact, part of, perhaps a prelude to, the worst of the chastisement to come.

      In other words, as someone said to me earlier today, there is nothing more that Fr Gruner could do. He has been, without any question, THE expert on Fatima, Heaven’s messenger to make sure that there can be no doubt in any of our minds, that the Consecration of Russia must now be carried out, urgently, as it is already very late (just as Our Lady warned it would be) and if the likes of Fr Paul Nicholson (and there’s no shortage of his faithless type) can continue in his/their ignorance, alleging, falsely, that Father Gruner has twisted or doctored Our Lady’s specific instructions for Russia to be named in the Consecration and for that prayer to be carried out by the Pope and all the bishops of the world in union with him, then it’s safe to say that God has called Fr Gruner to enjoy his richly deserved reward, and left the rest of us to either pay urgent heed to the entire Message of Fatima, as Father persistently urged, or pay the consequences of our neglect.

      Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.

      April 30, 2015 at 5:25 pm
      • westminsterfly

        Yes, Fr Gruner’s latest book ‘Crucial Truths to Save your Soul’ was his final legacy to us. I think I remember reading that he had wanted to write it for a long time, but never got the time before.

        April 30, 2015 at 7:40 pm
  • westminsterfly

    Who is this Fr Paul Nicholson anyway? A diocesan priest in Canada? What business has he got publicly condemning a brother priest? What an uncharitable and unnecessary comment he made about Fr Gruner. Cheap point scoring. Shame on him. Doing a quick Google search, I see he has his own ‘apostolate’ and promotional website and blog and everything else. I’m always very wary of these self-promoting ‘media’ priests.

    April 30, 2015 at 4:30 pm
    • Jobstears


      I agree. This Fr. Nicholson has made some nasty and most uncharitable comments about Fr. Gruner. It’s a shame his love of obedience doesn’t extend to obeying the Mother of God!

      April 30, 2015 at 5:14 pm
      • editor

        Well said Jobstears.

        That Fr Nicholson came across as a very nasty piece of work.

        I need to work on my charity – I know that, but my blood boiled when I watched the video posted by Damsel of the Faith. Less than 5 minutes of his rubbish and I was jumping mad. If I could have just 5 minutes with some of these scoundrels, teaching heresy and then having the temerity to savage the character of one of the few priests in the entire world speaking out during this time of crisis, it would be imprinted on the memory – theirs!

        April 30, 2015 at 5:29 pm
    • editor


      “I’m always very wary of these self-promoting ‘media’ priests.”

      Me, too. So far, they’ve all hit the headlines for the wrong reason.

      Incidentally – I don’t know anything about him either, presume he’s a secular/diocesan priest – in which case, what was that he was wearing on his head? Not, surely, a Jewish kippah?

      April 30, 2015 at 5:32 pm
      • gabriel syme

        You are right Editor, Fr Nicholson is a Diocesan Priest in Canada (Diocese of London). He says the traditional mass and holds orthodox doctrinal positions.

        However, he appears to be known for his uncharitable attacks on fellow Catholics – I first heard of him last year, when he attacked the SSPX.

        This Remnant article from early 2014 has more on him:

        The Curious Case of Fr. Paul Nicholson


        April 30, 2015 at 9:18 pm
      • editor

        Gabriel Syme,

        That’s an excellent article by Chris Jackson about Fr Paul Nicholson. His ignorance is shown up beautifully in that piece. Many thanks for bringing that article to our attention.

        May 1, 2015 at 9:21 am
  • Nicky

    This is terrible news. Nobody else has done even a fraction of the work that Fr Gruner has done for the Fatima cause. God help us all.

    May he rest in peace.

    April 30, 2015 at 7:35 pm
  • Therese

    Rest in peace oh good and faithful servant. Your reward is at hand.

    April 30, 2015 at 7:42 pm
  • Attono

    A Tribute To Father Gruner.

    A flower of the rarest, a blossom the fairest,
    Has been plucked from this valley of tears.
    How apt, how Providential, that this petal,
    Who roamed through garden, and woodland, and hillside and dale,
    Should be called Home during the month of Mary,
    His life, his sweetness, and his hope.
    No more sighs, mourning, or weeping.
    So now after his exile,
    Turn most gracious Advocate, thine eyes of mercy towards him,
    And show unto him the blessed fruit of thy womb Jesus,
    O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary,
    Pray for him O holy Mother of God,
    That he may be made worthy of the promise of Christ.

    April 30, 2015 at 8:07 pm
    • Jobstears


      That is a beautiful tribute to Fr. Gruner!

      April 30, 2015 at 8:50 pm
    • editor


      Lovely tribute, thank you for that.

      I’ve just paid a quick visit to the Fatima website to see if there were any updates, and they have posted a lovely tribute, too in the form of an audio extract from one of Father’s talks… click here

      April 30, 2015 at 10:23 pm
      • Attono

        Editor, Jobstears,

        Thanks for your kind comments. One thinks of the countless times Father would have recited those very words himself.

        May 1, 2015 at 7:46 am
    • editor


      I’ve just realised that you think Fr Gruner died in the month of Mary but he died on 29 April – which, in the 1962 missal, is the Feast of St Peter of Verona. The short biographical introduction to the Mass, in the missal, reads:

      “St Peter of Verona was a famous preacher of the Dominican Order. From childhood he was conspicuous for his refutation of heretics and his singular innocence. He longed to die for the faith, and his prayer was heard in 1252.”

      Most of us heard about Father’s death the next day, 30 April, Feast of St Catherine of Siena, saint of the Third Order of St Dominic – a saint famous for her efforts to restore right order to the papacy and the Church. Father Gruner’s life mirrored the lives of both of these saints, without a doubt.

      Fr Gruner – if he is not already in Heaven – will more likely than not spend the month of Mary there, however, since tomorrow is the First Saturday and he was a great advocate of the wearing of the Brown Scapular. So, maybe your “mistake” isn’t really a mistake after all!

      May 1, 2015 at 9:29 am
      • kathleen

        St. Catherine of Siena’s feast day is 29th April, so for all the reasons you give Editor, this was indeed a special day for such a holy and faithful priest as Fr. Gruner to pass into his Eternal reward.

        The day we received the news, 30th April is the feast of St. Pius V who, as everyone knows of course, established the Feast of the Holy Rosary (first named Our Lady of Victories) after the prayers of this powerful ‘weapon’ defeated the enemy Muslim hoards at Lepanto. How appropriate that the death of such a loyal ‘Fatima priest’ should reach us on this day. Deo gratias.

        We are sad to lose the earthly presence of this wonderful priest, but he will be more able to help us from Heaven as we continue here our fight for Catholic Truth. Altogether we can see the Hand of God in all these ways He works for the good of His beloved Church.

        May 1, 2015 at 10:57 am
      • editor


        These different calendars drive me nuts. Every single detail of Catholic life today is confusing for simple souls like myself. Trust me, a soul doesn’t get much simpler 😀

        In my 1962 missal, the 29th is the Feast of St Peter of Verona and the 30th is St Catherine of Siena.

        Whatever, any one of these Feast days and the ones you mention mirrors Fr Gruner’s undoubtedly holy life – may he rest in peace.

        May 1, 2015 at 11:34 am
      • kathleen

        Yes Editor, I have just checked in my beautiful St. Andrew Daily Missal and see you are quite right. Very confusing as you say!

        But please allow me to wear the hat of ‘the simplest of souls’. 😆

        Hopefully this great Fatima Apostle, Fr. Gruner will right now (or very soon) be enjoying the company of all these blessed saints in Heaven. We shall pray for him, as he surely will for us.

        May 1, 2015 at 1:31 pm
      • Attono

        Yes I realised it wasn’t in the month of Mary that Father died, and I contemplated using” on the eve of the month of Mary”, but I reasoned as Father was so devoted to Our Lady and Her message, and as he will be laid to rest during Her month, I decided to use a little bit of poetic license. After all what’s two days compared to eternity?. Also I think you are spot on with the First Saturday and the Brown Scapular.

        May 1, 2015 at 1:15 pm
  • Clotilde

    I was very sad to hear the news of Fr. Nicholas Gruner’s death. He has just run out of strength and used up every ounce of it in spreading the words of Our Lady of Fatima without ceasing and preaching the truth relentlessly. he will surely have earned his crown and eternal reward.

    I was privileged to attend Mass which he said in Glasgow after the conference and to go to him for confession.

    Eternal rest grant unto him O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon him, May he rest in peace. Amen.

    April 30, 2015 at 8:55 pm
  • Leo

    There is really very, very sad news. And very hard to take in. May the Lord have mercy on the soul of his good and faithful servant, who toiled so tirelessly in His vineyard. Our prayers for his soul are the very least gratitude we can express for Father Gruner’s great work, and the debt we owe him in promoting the true message of Fatima. What a great loss Father will be to the remnant of the Church Militant. He was a true and valiant knight of the Immaculata.

    A thought crossed my mind this morning, and funnily enough, the Vox Cantoris blogger (the target of Father Rosica’s ultimately failed attempt at bullying into silence), posted the very same thing. It’s as if Father Gruner is being spared whatever is on the way. It’s a rather unavoidable thought. Who knows what’s in store, and in very quick order. And the tragedy is that ninety nine per cent of people haven’t a clue, and even less of a care.

    April 30, 2015 at 9:32 pm
    • crofterlady

      Leo, I agree.

      Also, a good friend of mine who really has the old proverbial finger on the pulse wonders if he wasn’t “helped” on his way.

      April 30, 2015 at 10:31 pm
  • Petrus

    I’m saddened and stunned at the death of a warrior. I was privileged to meet him in 2009. He will be sadly missed.

    April 30, 2015 at 10:32 pm
  • editor

    Well, I’ve been checking around the internet and can find absolutely no mention of this news on those fond of “breaking news” stories. It’s not mentioned on the Catholic Herald or Tablet websites and there is nothing from the Vatican, would you believe, she said sarcastically. Not a peep from Pope Francis, she said even more sarcastically.

    This would be the same Pope Francis who didn’t delay a moment in lamenting the sudden death of his ecumenical partner in indifference, the Protestant “Bishop”, Tony Palmer, whom the Pope insisted be given a Catholic burial – over-ruling the local priest in the process. Read about it here. Truly, you couldn’t make it up.

    Yet, no talk of putting an end to “that little bit of ecclesiastical nonsense” when it comes to Father Gruner. No – he had to be punished and persecuted for having the temerity to promote the full Message of Fatima, against the wishes of those intent on cover-up; little wonder they think nothing of telling blatant falsehoods about Father Gruner. Shameless.

    April 30, 2015 at 11:17 pm
    • Lionel (Paris)

      Thank you, Editor, for having published the information! otherwise only a few people would have known…

      May 1, 2015 at 12:04 am
  • Lionel (Paris)

    Quelle tristesse!
    Let us pray for him!

    April 30, 2015 at 11:53 pm
  • Summa

    Very sad and shocked to read of his death, but at the same time confident that this tireless soldier of Christ will be ushered to Our Lord’s right hand side and welcomed by Our Blessed Mother.

    May 1, 2015 at 8:22 am
  • Christina

    Yes, I was checking on the Internet as well, and couldn’t believe that there was nothing about this holy priest’s death, but today, Catholic Family News has caught up.

    One really has a sense of personal bereavement when a warrior of the faith such as Father Gruner passes on to his eternal reward, leaving the Church Militant weaker for his absence. ‘Well done,, good and faithful servant,……. enter thou into the joy of thy Lord’.

    May 1, 2015 at 5:56 pm
    • Summa

      To be fair to CFN, Christina, they were on to this immediately, and that is where I first heard of this. I posted it then on CT (http://catholictruthblog.com/2015/02/18/general-discussion-7/#comment-28183) and as you can see from my time stamp that was before it hit CT.
      God bless.

      May 1, 2015 at 9:37 pm
      • editor


        How on earth did I miss that! I only found out when I received an email from Cornelia Ferreira around 9am. I’ll need to keep a closer eye on the GD thread – and your posts! Thank you for that – these time differences between the USA/Australia and us, are useful on occasion!

        May 1, 2015 at 9:56 pm
      • Summa

        Yes, in all probability when I found out, it was the wee small hours in Glasgow, but I posted on the General thread just as an alert after not seeing it on the site. I knew of course that it would be big news as soon as you found out.
        God bless

        May 1, 2015 at 10:00 pm
      • Christina

        Sorry Summa, I didn’t see your post, but learned of Father’s death from this thread. Apologies to CFN.

        May 2, 2015 at 7:01 pm
  • editor


    Yes, very big news and not just for us, but for the whole Church and world, if only the powers-that-be could see it.

    I’ve had a reply to my email of condolences sent to the Fatima Center. It reads:

    Thank you …

    It is truly a sad loss for us but I also believe for the Church and the world.

    Unless something has changed since last evening, the funeral Mass will be at a public facility in Niagara Falls, ON on May 9 – a Solemn High Requiem Mass with Bishop Fellay offering the Mass.
    Keep watching our website for further details. END.

    Absolutely wonderful that Bishop Fellay is offering the Requiem Mass – it will be absolutely beautiful. I hope it’s available to view online, in due course.

    May 1, 2015 at 10:44 pm
    • Margaret Mary

      I also hope we can view the funeral online – I’d love to see Bishop Fellay offering a Mass, and to hear what he has to say about Fr Gruner, assuming he will be the preacher as well.

      May 2, 2015 at 6:46 pm
  • anne

    Hi Editor,

    This was found on Traditional Catholic Priest website

    Posted on May 2, 2015 by fc


    Fr. Nicholas Gruner died of a heart attack on Wednesday April 29th 2015. He was just days short of his 73rd birthday. I never knew him, but always admired his stance on promoting the the truth about Fatima. I do know that he was persecuted very much by the liberal Catholic Church hierarchy.
    I am sad to hear of his death, but at the same time I am happy his suffering for Jesus’ Church and Mary in this world is over. The pope and liberal bishops can no longer hurt him. He no longer has to hear about all the terrible sacrilegious things that go on in the Holy Church of Jesus Christ. He no longer has to see the sinful condition of our society. He no longer has to hear about the terrible laws that support sin and the killing of babies in their mother’s womb. He is free and will be rewarded by God for suffering for truth.
    My friend sent me a letter that Fr. Gruner sent out of March 12, 2015. Here is what it said.
    ‘I recently returned from Rome, where I went to attend the February installation of the new cardinals. But while I was there, something happened- something soul-shaking! that I did not expect! I spoke to Father Gabriel Amarth, the world’s most famous living exorcist. His words shook me a few things ever have! Fr. Amarth told me that we have but a short time left before the chastisements predicted by Our Lady of Fatima begin to rip our world apart in ways we can hardly imagine! How long? Less than 8 months!
    Fr. Amarth told me that unless the consecration of Russia is performed – as our Lady Asked! – by the end of October, 2015, the dark prophecies of Fatima may well come to pass any day after that!
    Why did Father Gabriel Amorth tell this to me? So that our Lady’s Apostolate will raise its voice – as never before- to shout the message of Fatima from the Rooftops! And to do this, we must stand together. We must marshal all of our resources, all of our strength and – Wake the world from sleepwalking to its doom!
    There is no accidents. All is Providence! Fr. Amarth is at 85, still the chief exorcist of Rome. He has performed tens of thousands of exorcisms and written several books on the subject. He was the handpicked successor of Father Candido, his famed saintly predecessor who himself had special spiritual gifts. Father Amarth knows we are in the final battle with satan and the time is short.
    I have met and spoken to Father Amorth many times over the years. This is the first time he has ever told me in plain language how much time we have left – exactly – before the manifest chastisements of the world could begin!’

    God Bless,

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    May 2, 2015 at 8:30 pm
    • editor


      Thank you for that post – I have been saying to friends that, although I don’t receive Fr Gruner’s mailings by post, the letter containing the information about October 2015, did arrive in my mail only last week. I remember being surprised at receiving it, as I generally keep informed about Fatima from the Fatima Center website and friends who pass on copies of their letters from Fr Gruner.

      And yes, that is explosive news. I think we must all redouble our efforts to battle for the Consecration of Russia precisely as God wants it, and has made known how He wants it via His Mother.

      Anyone not enrolled in the Brown Scapular or who has not yet made the Five First Saturdays, should perhaps begin there. And any bishop or priest with direct access to the Pope should use that influence, however great or little, to prick his conscience on the matter.

      Surely, I can’t help thinking, Father Amorth would have ready access to him? If he could tell Fr Gruner about what little time is left before the terrible chastisement begins, why not tell the one person who can change the timetable – Pope Francis himself?

      I know, I know – I’m a simple gal… 😀

      May 2, 2015 at 8:42 pm
      • westminsterfly

        Fr Amorth, unfortunately, is a fervent apologist for the Medjugorje phenomenon, so one can perhaps understand why he might not be taken too seriously by some in Rome. http://www.marytv.tv/articles/top-exorcists-laments-apathy-to-medjugorje I’m a little surprised Fr Gruner put so much store by his words.

        May 3, 2015 at 1:21 pm
      • editor


        If it’s any consolation, I’ve pointed that fact out about Fr Amorth & Medjugorje to everyone who mentioned the “October 2015” conversation to me today after Mass.

        May 3, 2015 at 4:08 pm
  • Josephine

    I am in a state of shock hearing this news of Father Gruner’s death. It makes me shiver to think of what it means. The only priest I can think of who preaches the full message of Fatima without deviating from it or getting mixed up with extremist groups. I feel very sad about this. May he rest in peace.

    May 2, 2015 at 11:47 pm
  • editor

    Pope Francis to visit Fatima in 2017 – reading his comments as quoted in this article, he really doesn’t seem to have the proverbial clue. “Getting our hands dirty” doesn’t appear to include the Consecration of Russia as specified by Our Lady: “O Mary, let us feel your gaze as a Mother,” he said. “Lead us to your Son, as we are not Christians ‘for show’, but who can ‘get their hands dirty’ to build with your Son, Jesus, his Kingdom of love, joy and peace.”

    Note, not “Thank you, dear Mother, for giving us the simple means to achieve love, joy and peace on this earth, at least for the promised period following the Consecration of Russia.”

    Do you ever wonder at the craziness of it all? Planting trees in the Vatican garden, empty words about “getting our hands dirty” etc. Yet no mention of the cast-iron guarantee given by Our Lady of Fatima? Help!

    May 3, 2015 at 8:23 am
  • Spiritus

    I am also deeply shocked by the death of Fr. Gruner whom I had the privilege of meeting twice, the first time in 2009 at a conference in ireland. The following Sunday I began attending the Traditional Mass to fulfil my Sunday obligation. The second time was at the Catholic Truth conference in Glasgow in September 2010. I feel that Our Lady of Fatima used him and his apostolate to make me a fully Traditional Catholic. Fr. Gruner will be sorely missed by all those who are dedicated to the True message of Fatima and the triumph of the Immaculate Heart. May he rest in peace.

    May 3, 2015 at 10:09 pm
  • editor


    Just a detail, but our Glasgow conference was on 12 September 2009, NOT 2010. I didn’t know you were present! I know we met at the Cork Conference (I think!) but I hadn’t realised you’d travelled over for our Fatima Conference. It was definitely 2009, though, and I know Father went down to London after our conference, not sure if he went on to Ireland.

    Yes, Fr Gruner will be sorely missed – he was one of a kind. May he rest in peace.

    N O T I C E . . .

    I’m closing the April threads except this one which will remain open until after the funeral on Saturday, the Open Letter thread until it’s gone to the two bishops probably next week, and the General Election thread which will remain open until the results come in on Friday.

    May 6, 2015 at 7:32 pm
    • Spiritus

      mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Of course it was 2009. I am getting confused!

      May 7, 2015 at 12:31 pm
      • editor


        That’s good – I began to think we’d had another Conference that I’d forgotten about!

        May 9, 2015 at 11:21 am
  • Spiritus

    and yes, we met in Cork.

    May 7, 2015 at 12:33 pm
    • editor

      Phew! Again, a relief. I worry enough about my memory as it is! I remember meeting you – pleasure. Had a wonderful time in beautiful Cork.

      May 9, 2015 at 11:22 am
  • editor

    I’m told that Father Gruner’s funeral will be streamed live today, at 2.30pm BST.

    I can’t see any notice on the Fatima website, but will let you know as soon as I have confirmation of this, and post any link available.

    May 9, 2015 at 11:20 am
  • editor

    I can’t find any link to a broadcast of the funeral, so presume my source was mistaken.

    Anyway, I found this interesting letter from Chris Ferrara to the Archdiocese of Milan, refuting the false claim that Fr Gruner was suspended.

    May 9, 2015 at 2:43 pm
  • damselofthefaith

    Fr. Gruner’s funeral found here:


    May 10, 2015 at 3:42 pm
    • editor


      I can’t open the link you posted, nor can I get through to the Fatima Center homepage, where I’m told the video is posted.

      I’ve just found the sermon on video online …


      May 11, 2015 at 12:03 pm
      • Margaret Mary

        I’m very disappointed because the sound quality is very poor on that video and I couldn’t hear much at all.

        May 11, 2015 at 8:45 pm
    • Margaret Mary

      This link to the Fatima website opened for me right away and the video is of high quality. It looks lovely.

      May 11, 2015 at 8:47 pm
      • Summa

        Ho disturbing is this so called catholic priest? https://harvestingthefruit.com/nicholson-log/

        May 11, 2015 at 8:54 pm
      • editor


        That is pure dynamite! WOW! Imagine the hypocrisy of him, speaking on YOUTUBE on the very day of Father’s death, accusing him of being disobedient to ecclesiastical authority when he has blatantly disobeyed his bishop and made a layman complicit in his sin. WOW!

        Thank you for posting this – I hope it gets the widest possible audience via that blog.

        May 11, 2015 at 10:54 pm
      • Summa

        I have no reason to doubt the veracity of Louie Verrecchio’s comments. I have always found him to be genuine and humble in his commentaries. No matter: if recent events online are anything to go by, I’m sure Father Nicholson will have his legal team on to this, if of course he has no case to answer to.

        What i am absolutely appalled at is the base disrespect to Father Gruner’s memory and to the folk who knew him.

        And this so called priest goes around lecturing others on how to be ‘in communion’.


        May God forgive him.

        May 12, 2015 at 12:47 am
      • Summa

        The comments on Louie Verrecchio’s website from reader’s are quite insightful too. A recommended read. It certainly forms a picture with who one is dealing with.

        May 12, 2015 at 1:02 am
      • westminsterfly

        Thanks for that Summa. Very instructive.

        May 12, 2015 at 12:10 pm
      • Jobstears

        Thank you for posting the link, Summa.

        As Editor said, the hypocrisy is incredible!! And his lack of charity and decency is mind boggling. He simply had to try and taint Fr. Gruner’s memory and it couldn’t wait until after the funeral.

        May 12, 2015 at 1:18 pm
  • crofterlady

    How strange! I bet someone has pulled the plug on it because I watched it yesterday afternoon and now I cannot access it!

    May 11, 2015 at 12:21 pm
    • editor

      It’s online now, Crofterlady.

      May 11, 2015 at 10:55 pm
  • editor

    I will close this thread now, on this the Feast of Our Lady of Fatima.

    We will, without doubt, remember Father Gruner’s wonderful and selfless apostolate during our discussion on the new Fatima thread.

    Thank you to everyone who commented here, on the very sad passing (for us!) of Father Gruner from this world. May he rest in peace.

    May 13, 2015 at 12:30 am

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