General Discussion (8)

General Discussion (8)

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Comments (514)

  • pew catholic

    Further to my comment on the last General Discussion, I’ve been advised that if I reinstall my computer’s operating system, I should be able to cope if this new one goes too 500 comments or more. So CT has been of benefit to me, material if not spiritual (yet!). And I wanted to post the first comment!

    June 7, 2015 at 6:50 pm
    • editor

      Pew Catholic,

      I laughed when I saw your avatar on the sidebar just now – I KNEW that you wanted to be first on the new thread. Well, that makes you Blogger of the Bi-Month. Cheque in post 😀

      June 7, 2015 at 6:58 pm
      • Jeremiah_Methuselah

        Dear Editor,

        I don’t know your excellent blog very well, but I notice you do tend to use the lovely old English word “gay” rather than homosexuality, sodomy, pederasty, lesbianism or other more accurate terms.

        To me, this is a great shame. The opponents of abortion, largely supportive of contraception, maybe euthanasia and more of the same ilk as well, so it seems to me, fight us with our words which they appropriate, then manipulate and change the true meanings to suit their own agenda. They know full well that there is nothing to which anyone can take offence when we say “gay”. OTOH, I have noticed those who squirm when they hear the word “sodomy”. I wonder why this should be ? After all, it is official government policy to support and promote sodomy, is it not ? Why on earth are they afraid of the truth ?

        I see nothing wrong in using sodomy, it is and always was a legal term and is an accurate description of the completely disordered action to which it refers.

        I don’t think we must be swept along by their steamroller tactics, rather ought we to defend our position in the light of history and our concern for those practising these sexual activities because of the many dangers to their health – and to their lives – when they do so.
        Thank you and over to you.


        July 7, 2015 at 6:56 pm
      • editor


        I do agree with you (and with Pope John Paul II, as it happens) about calling things by their proper name…

        In the case of homosexuality – and I often use that word – if and when I use the term “gay” I place it in inverted commas to mark my outrage that these people have appropriated a beautiful adjective which means “happiness” and “cheerfulness” to describe something very evil indeed – that is, pseudo-sexual activity between two people of the same gender.

        However, I find that if, in discussion (whether oral or written), I refer to it as “sodomy” the whole conversation gets side-tracked into self-defence against the charge of bigotry. I’ve made the very same argument as you make – that this is the correct term, legal term, and an “accurate description of the completely disordered action to which it refers”. Still, the language thing dominates the conversation and I’m usually labelled “homophobic” – gimme strength. I tell them that there’s not a man on the face of the earth who instils fear in my soul, while I’d happily bet money that the men who are not “EditorCT-phobic” are few and far between! 😀

        I also agree with you about not being “steam-rollered” into using the term “gay” – for myself, I decided to give in and use it, but continue to place it in inverted commas, from now until eternity, in an effort to signal my opinion about the abuse of the term, but without the continual side-tracking that comes from NOT using it, if you get my drift.

        Not sure if all of this is clear. If not. Well, I did try. In fact, I’m often told that I’m very trying indeed… 😀

        July 7, 2015 at 11:50 pm
      • Jeremiah_Methuselah

        Thank you kindly for your reply.

        Certainly, it is difficult, but here is the way I think about it. It’s always a good idea, for me anyway, to try to get my own mindset clear before using a controversial word or term, I find that many Catholics (and others) simply do not want to discuss the issue. But I believe it must be brought out into the open.

        Using the term “sodomy” usually generates some very strange looks and I wait for the “h” word to come up. When it does arrive, I am quick to point out that I merely speak about the action, defo not the person doing the deed. Hat is a private matter, if you like. I say something like “I can talk about communism without being called a fascist and “Right Wing politics” without being called Left Wing. So why do you slap a stupid epithet on me when I dislike certain things that a very small number of men do with each other in private ?” or something like that. My idea is to get people to think about the topic, not to obtain a Damascus moment, that will never happen. Promise, life is not like that.

        Often the Catholic Church and its recent infamous record are introduced as if they were the Ace and King of trumps. My response is that the vile behaviour of certain priests and higher-ranked clergy is utterly vile and condemned in the strongest possible way. Then I remain them that the vast majority concerns sodomitic acts (about 80%) with young men or boys. Few have to do with young girls or infants, God be praised. It’s a diversion tactic in any case and must be resisted.

        To blame the whole of the Church as complicit is as invalid as condemning the whole of the British Police Force for their covering-up of the Pakistani (and other) rapes and vicious sexual exploitation. Just one word and one number says it all : Rotherham, 1400. Of course, we are told, officially, this is just a small part of the general situation, which still prevails. So are the police to be blamed for ALL of this ?

        To be consistent, each and every example of such horrible and reprehensible behaviour must be condemned vociferously, not just one single section of society.

        I repeat, it’s a question of language and the way it’s manipulated. No-one wants to be called a homophobe, as you point out, a phobia means a fear of something and we are unafraid of sodomy, even though we are afraid of its effects, especially on young children. It is an absurd term, but so many of its adherents and supporters take refuge in it.

        The toll these “non-standard” practices takes on those concerned has been shown to be high, physically, mentally and psychologically. No one who has worked with homosexualists or has homosexualist friends will be surprised. Some years ago I saw a suggestion that the “gays” ought really to be called “sads” (be very careful how you type that word) because of the real facts of their modus vivendi.

        Proof of this fact abounds, here is just one.

        Any good priest doing missionary work with homosexualists will tell you how utterly difficult life can be for many of them, frequently ending in alcoholism and despair. Even suicide. One very good and holy priest I had the great good fortune to know well told me about this and difficult it was to recover those lost graces. His view was that we must pray for them rather than criticise them no matter what our own private thoughts might be.

        You are doing God’s work in your apostolate, long may it continue.

        July 9, 2015 at 6:09 am
      • editor


        I should have emphasised that I never use “gay” in speech. Only in writing and in inverted commas. I stick to “homosexuals” and usually find a place for the “s” word, be assured.

        I think it’s also important to give some follow up route – personally, I point people to the NARTH website where there is plenty of factual information about the consequences of homosexual activity.

        In much haste – today I’m aiming to finish the August newsletter and get it out early for once. So excuse this flying visit – enjoyed reading your post however, and many thanks for your kindly supportive words for the Catholic Truth apostolate. Much appreciated.

        July 9, 2015 at 10:23 am
  • Andrew Paterson

    Late as usual. As regards the last couple of comments on the closed thread it was part of the UK plan to use tactical nuclear weapons in Germany during the 60s/70s. The British Rhine Army was in situ to stop a Soviet advance to the North Sea/Atlantic coast. This meant halting the Soviet army before it could cross the Rhine, and it was expected that this would be difficult especially in the North German Plain. The British Army had enough supplies to fight conventional battles for a maximum of six weeks. After that, nuclear weapons would be used, even if it meant a first strike by us. We are not always the good guys…

    June 7, 2015 at 7:28 pm
  • Andrew Paterson

    I have not seen much in the Press regarding a new test for Down’s Syndrome that was all over the BBC TV and radio. Only one reason for such a test. If positive, an abortion will follow.

    June 7, 2015 at 7:38 pm
    • Jobstears

      Will the parents be allowed to keep the child if they so choose?

      June 8, 2015 at 1:16 pm
  • Clotilde

    Yes Andrew two good reasons for a rosary crusade in Scotland– from everywhere to get rid of abortion and to end all wars …. How about a great gathering of all Catholics and all who pray!! at Carfin Grotto. When/ Soon!

    Servant of God Fr. Patrick Peyton, please pray for us.

    June 7, 2015 at 9:55 pm
    • Gerontius

      Yes indeed Clotilde, and perhaps our bishops might join in and then consecrate Scotland to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

      June 12, 2015 at 3:21 pm
  • editor

    For your information, I have re-opened the Medjugorje thread and linked from our website, following news that a decision is coming soon. Please do not comment on this GD thread (they fill up fast enough as it is) but if you wish to comment click here to post on the Medjugorje thread. Thank you.

    June 8, 2015 at 12:57 am
  • bencjcarter

    I am in Bangkok at the moment. I’ve been told by someone who I think knows what he’s talking about that the local seminary practices Buddhism (which beneath the saffron-coloured front is stuffed full of superstition, forest demons, witches and black magic) and that recently workmen replacing an old ceiling found black magic ritual materials … .

    The mainstream Church to be seems to be wholly in the hands of the devil and his demons, world-wide. Only by the skin of the Holy Ghost’s teeth is the Church not fully his.

    I don’t want anything to do with it anymore.

    June 8, 2015 at 9:10 am
    • editor


      Not “wholly” – Christ has guaranteed that it will never be wholly in the hands of the devil: “The gates of Hell” He assured us, will not prevail.

      We cannot leave the Church, but we can switch to that part of it given to us as a lifeboat in this time of crisis. ‘Nuff said. You know the drill!

      June 8, 2015 at 10:32 am
      • Jobstears


        You are not alone!


        Thank you for this, We cannot leave the Church, but we can switch to that part of it given to us as a lifeboat in this time of crisis. I will pass on this advice to some young adults who are disgusted with the way things are going in the Church. One has threatened to join the Orthodox church (they at least aren’t ashamed of professing what they have always believed); one other is ready to give up being called Catholic because she does not want to be associated with the “Francis Church”, it is a nightmare trying to explain why as a Catholic we may NOT do what the Pope is recommending.

        June 8, 2015 at 1:14 pm
      • editor


        I totally sympathise. And it doesn’t help when these confused souls meet some of the papolatrists who defend every utterance and deed of this Modernist pope.

        I always quote Our Lady of Quito’s words to Mother Mariana to “pray that my Son will send a prelate to restore the priestly spirit” [in the 20th century].

        I mean, they’re not exactly falling out of the sky, are they, prelates/bishops seeking to restore the priesthood? Seems to me that only ONE bishop fits that description and that is Archbishop Lefebvre.

        June 8, 2015 at 1:53 pm
  • editor

    In case any of you would like to learn more about the Named Person scheme, there are a number of events running in June – click here for details.

    June 8, 2015 at 10:28 am
  • Summa

    Is the Pope a Communist?

    Hardly. But I do think he has been influenced poorly by his modernist formation and Latin American politics.

    June 8, 2015 at 11:00 am
  • Margaret Mary

    This video of abort67 displaying posters at the state opening of Parliament, is very shocking, IMHO. The police are openly censoring to protect the Queen from seeing the image. She should have to look, of all people, because signed this particular type of murder into law.

    June 8, 2015 at 11:55 am
    • Clotilde

      Very brave of these campaigners for standing up for their rights on behalf of the unborn. Maybe by their efforts they would have drawn more attention from the passers by who were waiting to see the queen. God bless them.
      Must look up their website as I haven’t heard much about them…..

      June 8, 2015 at 7:41 pm
  • gabriel syme

    The Herald reports that Fr Noel Barry died on 1st June and carries his obituary:

    June 8, 2015 at 2:38 pm
    • editor

      Gabriel Syme,

      Many thanks for posting the news of Fr Noel Barry’s death and the Herald obituary.

      Despite the fact that he was the first priest to threaten us with legal action, at the time of his own court case (or some time thereafter, to be more accurate) I am sorry to learn of his relatively early death. It seems that he has tried to live a faithful priestly life in the past thirteen or so years, and it is good I that you have alerted us to the need to pray for the repose of his soul. May he rest in peace.

      June 8, 2015 at 2:53 pm
      • gabriel syme

        Ah, I didnt realise Fr Barry had crossed swords with Catholic Truth; I posted chiefly as he was a local priest who had an early death – but the name was vaguely familiar!

        May he rest in peace.

        June 8, 2015 at 3:50 pm
  • gabriel syme

    Pinched from Fr Ray Blakes blog, here is an excellent article (link below) regarding liturgical abuse and the priestly narcissism which drives it.

    Messing with the Mass: The problem of priestly narcissism today

    It is important for priests to keep in mind that most Catholics go to Mass to encounter Jesus Christ, and not to come into contact with the particular psychology of the celebrant. Furthermore, they go for something that is not present in the popular culture — a sense of the sacred

    June 8, 2015 at 2:41 pm
    • Lily

      Gabriel Syme,

      Thanks for posting the link. That is one very interesting article. It gives a whole new dimension to the Mass debate. I copied this small chunk, because it really rang true with me:

      “Requires excessive admiration; with this comes extreme sensitivity to criticism. Such criticism often leads to social withdrawal or an appearance of humility. Often this is associated with obvious attention seeking behavior. These narcissistic traits are frequently found in those who introduce and participate in liturgical innovations”.

      I’m going to read it through again, as I didn’t quite finish reading it all, but it’s very interesting indeed.

      June 8, 2015 at 11:45 pm
  • catholicconvert1

    Is it a sin against charity to be against interracial breeding?

    June 8, 2015 at 5:35 pm
    • crofterlady

      Can’t see why. Surely it would only be uncharitable if one thought another race to be inferior?

      June 8, 2015 at 6:42 pm
    • westminsterfly

      I would say it is a sin. If two people from different races love one another and there is no impediment to marriage, why would one want to be ‘against’ that?

      June 9, 2015 at 9:10 am
      • editor


        I doubt it would be a sin, because as long as (to quote Crofterlady) there is no question of thinking another race is inferior, I think it would be permissible to hold an opinion on this, just as one might consider that inter-faith marriages are undesirable – for all sorts of practical reasons.

        I once heard a married friend say that marriage has enough problems built into it, without importing more – so if there is a mixed marriage, say between Protestant and Catholic, that brings particular difficulties, e.g. in the raising of children as Catholics, and so it may be that practical reasons may exist which make inter-racial marriages problematic, at least for some people. A Scots friend of mine married a Latin American and was constantly talking about the problems his Latin temperament caused, in her view. She would never consider Latin Americans inferior, but I doubt if she’d want her daughter marrying one! In the end, they separated.

        I think it’s one of those issues where there is not necessarily any “right or wrong” answer although if I’ve missed some theological or moral aspect, I’m open to correction.

        June 9, 2015 at 10:43 am
      • westminsterfly

        I’m sure marriages between different races may sometimes have more problems to encounter – not least because of the prejudice of some – but I don’t understand why anyone would be ‘against it’ though. That sounds like a blanket condemnation of different races ever marrying and having children, and I can’t see that it would be morally right or charitable to hold that belief.
        I can see the problems with inter-faith marriages. I don’t think that ‘Omnia vincit amor’ always applies in such cases!

        June 9, 2015 at 1:13 pm
      • catholicconvert1

        I was posing the question because I don’t believe, generally speaking, that people of different races, even if they are of the same religion, should get married and procreate. I certainly don’t believe that black or coloured people are inferior in any way, shape or form, as that would be a sin against charity and the commandment to love our neighbour. I just worry that mixed race children will have problems with their social development, which culture to subscribe to and alienation as they sometimes find it hard to fit in.

        June 9, 2015 at 1:49 pm
      • Muffin Man Strikes Back

        What is culture?

        Did you fit in when you were growing up? I didn’t, even though I was fully white.

        June 9, 2015 at 3:38 pm
    • Muffin Man Strikes Back

      Well, not sinful per se. I suppose it all depends on the reasons someone believes it. But in many cases it would be sinful, because generally the kinds of persons who espouse to such opinions, ie. opposed to the notion of ‘miscegenation’, tend to be racists, in my experience. Racism is a sin, because we are all descended from the same parents, Adam and Eve. A truth with was denied by the atheistic Nazis, which led to genocide and human rights atrocities.

      I personally am very sceptical that there even is such a thing as race. I mean, it’s so subjective, where does one race begin and end? Who draws the lines? It’s not very scientific. It is a social construct.

      I am surprised you believe hold such sentiments because presumably you were born after 1990? These days people aren’t bothered. In fact, I myself am less attracted to ‘white’ women than I am for example East Asian women or Arab women, even though I am ‘white’. So I would gladly ‘breed’ with any woman if they did it for me, and we would bring beautiful mixed race children into the world. I have ‘mixed race’ family members.

      As for mixed race children having difficulties, well, that is more a problem of society and not the parents. A lot of adolescents have problems with their identity, I did, even though I am fully white.

      June 9, 2015 at 3:34 pm
    • Jeremiah_Methuselah

      St Martin de Porres

      July 9, 2015 at 6:12 am
  • Benedict Carter


    Your question brings to my memory an act of my daughter who with a friend hacked into an American white supremacist site and fiddled about so that when anyone opened the site, a black & white minstrel strolled across the screen singing “Oh mammy”.

    They also had a go at Gordon Brown online but I don’t remember the details except there was some cartoon kilt lifting involved.

    June 8, 2015 at 10:08 pm
  • editor

    The following extract reveals the fact that a homosexual activist is in a key position of practical influence at the forthcoming UN Catholic event – the Pope will be addressing the UN on the family, yet one of the “gatekeepers” in a wolf, not even in sheep’s clothing – an LGBT activist. I’ve copied an extract and the contact information to complain about this, with link to source, so read on:

    “Teresa Matozzo is the “Exhibits and Sponsorship Manager” for the World Meeting of Families. What this means is that Ms. Matozzo is a gatekeeper for the event. She has the power to “reject any application” or “limit space assigned to any one company.” And one would hope that an individual in such a position would be one who understands, believes and loves the teachings of the Catholic Church as she acts in the capacity of a gatekeeper for a massive Catholic event. Clearly, this is not the case.

    Teresa Matozzo is a homosexual activist in a lesbian relationship. The following images and quotes were taken directly from Ms. Matozzo’s facebook page. In this first image, Ms. Matozzo poses with a rainbow flag (the symbol of LGBT “inclusion”), and in the reflection of the glass behind her, a float of men standing around in their underwear can clearly be seen, indicating her presence at a “Gay Pride” parade…


    The problem here is very clear and quite simple. An individual responsible for vetting exhibitors and sponsors for a marquee Catholic event should know, love and faithfully serve the Catholic Church. Even just having a mere non-Catholic vet sponsors and exhibitors would be problematic for the simple reason that they wouldn’t have a proper understanding of or vested interest in maintaining the integrity of Catholic teaching among the sponsors and exhibitors. But to place an individual whose very lifestyle is the complete antithesis of the most basic tenets of Catholic moral teaching in such a position is to pose a great danger to the integrity of the event. A shepherd may as well make a wolf responsible for guarding the gate of a sheepfold.

    Contact the World Meeting of Families 2015 organizers and let them know precisely why this is a problem and ask how and when this problem will be resolved.” Source – read entire article here

    June 9, 2015 at 10:31 am
    • Michaela

      I really thought I was seeing things when I read this on the CT website. If that is not an insult to the Pope and Church, I don’t know what is. The trouble is that the Pope and the Catholic countries like Ireland, have made it that much more difficult to criticise something like this.

      It’s obviously not going to be a Catholic event promoting Catholic marriage and the traditional family, if the real organisers are the LGBT activists like Teresa Matozzo.

      June 9, 2015 at 8:14 pm
  • editor

    N O T I C E . . .

    One of the trolls who frequents this blog under various usernames and who invariably ends up in moderation, has again registered under a new username, only this time he marked his comment NOT FOR PUBLICATION.

    He then proceeded to pass on to me information about a blogger here, detrimental to that blogger’s character, which I do not need to know – in fact, I know more about this person that does our troll, but troll thinks he’s giving me information which I don’t already possess – they call it “gossip” in some quarters. There is no excuse whatsoever for this wholly uncharitable behaviour. It is, in addition to being uncharitable, utterly hypocritical.

    This troll, remember, under each of his guises, routinely accuses us of lack of charity, of being judgmental, blah blah. Boring with a capital B.

    The following message is for him

    (under ALL of his usernames – most recent, Jesus Wept, which he marked Not For Publication, also Irish Eyes, also …. you’ll get my drift…

    and is definitely FOR PUBLICATION.

    You need help Tommy Troll, and plenty of it. Do not submit any more comments here – ever. If you really can’t live without me, email and I’ll (possibly) reply. But take note: I’ve had to implement our policy of never replying to nasty emails a few times recently, so keep it polite, if, that is, you really must keep in touch. NOT recommended.

    June 9, 2015 at 5:21 pm
    • Margaret Mary

      I’m commenting here about the proposed closure of this blog because I know you don’t want us going off topic on the other thread, where Helen asked a question about trolls.

      I do find the trolls irritating and wish they would just go away. I don’t know why they want to post here when they hate everything about the faith so much, at least in its traditional form. The above post shows that they are hypocrites and as such don’t have any right to criticise anyone here. It is amazing that anyone would go out of their way to pass on gossip like that, really disgusting.

      I also understand why the team would consider closing the blog. That would be a pity but it has to be your call. I know a lot of people who find it helpful to read and I’m sure others could say the same. It will be disappointing if it closes but not surprising. There are too many interruptions from people who set out to make trouble. It’s surprising that you haven’t got fed up before and shut it down a long time ago. I think I would have.

      June 9, 2015 at 5:49 pm
      • Nicky

        I wouldn’t let these stupid trolls close down the blog. They are sub-intelligent and should be ignored. We can all see their game, putting on the same stuff, never answering questions, being total bores. Ignore them I say.

        June 9, 2015 at 7:19 pm
      • Christina

        Nicky, I don’t think they’re all sub-intelligent, and I’m sure that the closure of this Catholic blog is the very thing that they have been hoping and so determinedly trolling for. Well done all of you ratfinks, I wonder which of the few remaining bastions of Catholic tradition you will attack next.

        June 9, 2015 at 11:07 pm
    • Jobstears


      Remember how God was willing to spare Sodom if Abraham could find 5 good people in the town? Well, if I can find 5 people (off the top of my head) who’ve been helped immensely by Catholic Truth, would you relent and keep the blog running? 😥

      The trolls will happily disrupt a good blog. Like the devil they won’t bother with the blogs that do a mediocre job of informing Catholics, so we can all agree to ignore obvious trolls- especially when we see the same old stupid arguments surface- as if by sheer repetition they are going to be accepted as truth 🙄

      June 9, 2015 at 11:57 pm
      • editor


        I had no idea, when I posted what the trolls would call my “rant” (!) that I would have a rebellion on my hands! You are all very kind in your comments and your support is appreciated one thousand per cent.

        I also take every single thing you say on board, believe me. We have discussed this till it’s coming out of our ears, and considered it from every angle.

        And now that you think only 5 people in the entire continent of America (may) have been helped by our blog, I think closure is a dead cert!

        Kidding – let’s leave it in the hands of that little known god of the Hindus, Rama, who seldom gets a mention! 😀 (Dumb & Dumber, remember? p19 of the June edition?!)

        June 10, 2015 at 12:15 am
      • Christina

        Jobstears, I’m on your wavelength here. I couldn’t possibly find words to explain what this blog has done for me. Editor’s awe-inspirng ‘rant’😈leaves to doubt the extent of the problems, frustrations and soul-destroying hard work it has entailed, but it has been a spiritual lifeline for me, enabling me, through the faith and wisdom of other bloggers, to understand the forces at work in the Church and so to avoid falling into despair. The traditional Catholics that I meet are generally happy in the possession of the Mass and the few of the old devotions that can be carried on in these penal times, but they show little awareness of the true extent of Satan’s activity in the Church today, as it is daily revealed on this blog. The team’s decision is wholly understandable, but very, very sad.

        June 10, 2015 at 11:51 am
      • Jobstears


        I agree with every word you’ve written. CT has been a spiritual lifeline for me too, and it has most certainly kept me from falling into despair.

        Do you think by now Editor will have finished her chants to the forgotten god of the Hindus????? If so, I’d like to tell her I could find 6 people (5 off the top of my head and 1 more having looked really hard :grin:) who’ve been helped by CT 😀

        June 10, 2015 at 4:06 pm
      • editor

        Christina and Jobstears,

        You have both missed your vocation – you’d have made terrific blackmailers!

        Rest assured, I will take your comments to the next meeting of the Board of Directors 😀

        June 10, 2015 at 4:13 pm
    • Jeremiah_Methuselah

      Best, maybe to ignore his mails.

      July 9, 2015 at 6:13 am
  • editor

    This is an excellent piece by Christopher Ferrara – we covered the Lutheran “Archbishop” briefly in the newsletter but this is Ferrara’s commentary on it, very well worth reading. I’ve copied it in full below, with link to source… Brace yourselves!


    “Francis Received Lady “Archbishop,” Head of Insane Lutheran “Church” of Sweden, Calling Her “Esteemed Sister”

    As Francis continues to do whatever he pleases and to say whatever he feels like saying, even when he is aware that “it may sound… heretical,” the sense that the Church has “lost its compass” and is now “a rudderless ship,” as noted by Cardinal Burke, continues to spread among the faithful and a growing number of priests, bishops and cardinals.

    Last month, in a development that received relatively little coverage beyond Radio Vatican (and completely escaped my notice until today), the situation reached a new extreme of deterioration: Francis became the first Pope to receive at the Apostolic Palace in a private audience a lady “Archbishop” who heads the so-called Lutheran Church of Sweden. Francis addressed this absurd female pretender to the episcopacy, one Antje Jackelén, as “esteemed Mrs. Jackelén, esteemed sister…”

    The positively satanic “Church of Sweden” performs same-sex “marriages” between sodomites, condones abortion, contraception and divorce, and routinely purports to ordain women as “priests,” so that in the “Church of Sweden” today “45 per cent of priests are women, and women make up the majority of those studying to become priests.”

    During his friendly meeting with the fake lady bishop, Francis pretended not to notice that that she is a fake lady bishop presiding over a pro-abortion pseudo-Church that diabolically mocks the Sacraments of Holy Orders and Holy Matrimony. Instead, he shared with his “esteemed sister” fond expectations for the commemoration of the 500th anniversary of “the start of the Reformation,” meaning the start of Luther’s rebellion in 1517—in which commemoration the Vatican, quite insanely, will participate. Francis declared his hope that the “commemoration” of the Protestant Revolt “may encourage Lutherans and Catholics to take further steps towards full unity of sacramental life and ecclesial ministry.”

    Further steps toward unity? Is this a joke? The followers of Luther have been moving ever further from any possibility of unity with Catholics precisely in proportion to the length of time the disastrous “ecumenical venture” continues to confirm them in their multiplying errors.

    What is it but sheer madness that confronts us now? Where are the cardinals and bishops with the courage to stand up in open opposition to this Pope and defend the Church against his almost daily abuses and scandals? Merely for delivering a series of sermons that argued against the immediacy of beatitude for the blessed departed even after Purgatory, John XXII was publicly denounced by prelates and theologians, and there were calls for a council to condemn him on account of heresy.

    As members of the laity, we can do nothing but protest the words and deeds of Francis, which we certainly must do in keeping with our Confirmation vow to be soldiers of Christ. But only concerted, direct opposition by members of the upper hierarchy has any chance of reining in this clearly out-of-control pontificate and limiting further damage to the commonwealth of the Church. To the prelates who know the gravity of our situation and are admitting it privately, I must ask: What are you waiting for? Source

    I think Chris has just about said it all. Puts my humble commentary in the June edition, well and truly in the shade. See if I care 😀

    June 9, 2015 at 9:19 pm
  • Spudeater

    Somebody slap me. HARD. I’ve just had the misfortune to read a statement issued by Cardinal Vincent Nicholls following the Tories’ election victory. For anyone lucky enough to have missed it, if you carry on reading this post, I must warn you that your luck is about to run out:

    ‘I send congratulations to Prime Minister David Cameron on the result of the election yesterday. The new government faces many challenges, not least encouraging and sustaining economic growth and at the same time giving particular attention to the poorest in our society today. The Catholic Church in England and Wales looks forward to working with the newly elected Parliament for the common good.’

    Where does one begin? (as Liz Windsor might say). Did I miss something or has a Prince of the Church welcomed another five years of a regime borne along by an ever-rising tide of godlessness? An administration which you can guarantee will drag promotion of the committing of the Four Sins that Cry to Heaven for Vengeance to new depths:

    1. Wilful murder – abortion on demand and I suspect the reintroduction of the Assisted Dying Bill (not content with all the best tunes, it appears the devil wants all the top euphemisms as well).

    2. Oppression of the poor – tax cuts for the rich, nine month waits for Disability Benefits, work for free or lose your allowances,etc

    3. Defrauding labourers of their wages – anyone like a zero-hours contract?

    4. The sin of Sodom – aggressive and relentless advancing of the homosexualist agenda.

    Exactly how is His Eminence going to ‘work with’ THAT government programme? I suppose though that so long as ‘sustaining economic growth’ is achieved, all those other annoying deviations from the ‘common good’ can be tackled at another time.

    Just to add insult to injury, the statement was issued on May 9th, literally a matter of hours after the Tory majority was confirmed. I don’t recall reading that St. John Chrysostom responded with the same eagerness when he heard that the Empress Eudoxia had come to power (and she’d only be in the penny-ante league compared to Cameron’s Crowd).

    An excellent contributor last week pointedly said that he’d only be satisfied if all our bishops were imprisoned for courageously defending the Catholic Faith. Well,I’m much less demanding than my fellow blogger…..I’d be content with half our bishops exiled (to Ascension Island) and the other half ‘on the run’.

    June 9, 2015 at 9:31 pm
    • Prognosticum

      I can understand your surprise, but only up to a point.

      Three forces are at work here. First, the overwhelming desire of contemporary Churchmen to be ‘right on’ or ‘with it’. They hate being outside the prevailing consensus, even it it is a delusional one like Cameron’s election victory. If the individual trees in the forest get in the way of this, then don’t talk about the trees, talk about the forest. I believe they call it keeping the big picture. Don’t forget that the Catholic Church in the UK spends a small fortune annually on spin.

      Second, the desire to appease the mighty. Roman Catholics are barely tolerated in the UK as it is. Catholic bashing is seen as the one legitimate prejudice. Hence the sucking up to Caesar.

      Third, and most pathetic, it’s a way of getting attention, of saying ‘We exist too.’

      All of the above denote a worldly Church which has seriously lost its way.

      June 11, 2015 at 3:59 am
      • Spudeater


        Appreciate the explanation! The ‘wanting to fit in’ motive had occurred to me but I hadn’t thought of the other two reasons.

        Coincidentally, after reading that press release, I too felt like indulging in a bit of Catholic Bashing – by going out and banging my head several times against the nearest piece of street furniture. (Well,I wasn’t going to risk damaging my own property, was I?).

        June 11, 2015 at 7:25 pm
      • Josephine


        (Well,I wasn’t going to risk damaging my own property, was I?).

        I should think not! LOL!

        June 11, 2015 at 7:30 pm
  • leprechaun

    Madame Editor, fellow bloggers (and lurkers too),

    In the course of seeking to clarify some confusion in my own mind, I have been having discussions with a number of SSPX priests including the incoming and outgoing District Superior of SSPX-GB, and I should like to share the results with you for the avoidance of doubt.

    Importantly, they all gave me the same answers, a manifestation of unity in the Truth which was a factor some 60 years ago when I was considering converting to Catholicism.

    The SSPX is not the Catholic Church – it is a part of it.

    The SSPX does not make the rules – these are contained in Canon Law and as far as possible the SSPX, as part of the Catholic Church, considers itself bound by those rules.

    This means that it is not a sin to wilfully fail to attend those Holydays of Obligation which the conciliar Church has transferred to adjacent Sundays (the Feasts of Epiphany, the Ascension and Corpus Christi) and so doing no longer requires a mention in the confessional.

    Similarly, fasting and abstaining on Ember Days and on the vigils of major feasts (e.g., the Saturday before Whitsunday, and Christmas Eve) is no longer a requirement and failure to do so does not need to be mentioned in confession.

    The same applies to not abstaining from meat on Fridays, as long as some act of charity is performed in its place, apart from Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.

    The SSPX expects its supporters to observe the rules from of old, and points out the great graces which God bestows on those who undertake the observances.

    The above examples of relaxation, whilst to be regretted, do not conflict with matters of Faith or Morals, and Archbishp Lefebvre taught his seminarians that they could be concurred with.

    However, where Canon Law calls for the acceptance of the documents in Vatican II and of the Novus Ordo Mass, this area does conflict with Traditional teaching on Faith or Morals and as such there is no question of concurring with the wishes of the conciliar Church.

    Whilst my questions were not exhaustive, I found the answers I received to be very reassuring, particularly concerning widely-touted but mis-placed claims that Bp. Fellay is planning a sell-out to Rome on the erroneous grounds that unity is more important than Truth.

    I hope that what I learned will help others to clarify their own thoughts, and to be better able to defend the guardians of Tradition.

    June 10, 2015 at 9:06 pm
  • editor


    Thursday 11 June 2015

    Charles Kennedy Funeral – Advisory Notice

    The funeral of Charles Kennedy MP, will take place in St. John the Evangelist, Caol, Fort William on Friday 12 June at 12 noon.
    The Principal Celebrant will be Monsignor James MacNeil, Administrator of the Diocese of Argyll and the Isles. The Parish Priest Fr. Roddy McAuley, will preach the Homily. Fourteen children from St. Columba’s R.C. Primary school, Lochyside, which Charles Kennedy attended as a child, will sing the Psalm, “O God, you search me and you know me”.

    The family have chosen the following hymns: Christ be beside me, Our God loves us, I the Lord of sea and sky, Soul of my Saviour, How Great thou art. Brian McBride, a friend of Charles Kennedy will offer a eulogy after Communion. John Cameron, a close family friend of the Kennedy’s, will lead the musicians who also played at Charles’ parents funerals Fr. Pat Brown, Chaplain to the Westminster Parliament and Monsignor Thomas Wynne, of St. Margaret’s Roy Bridge, a friend of the Kennedy family, will concelebrate.

    Fr. McAuley will not be available for interview, Mgr MacNeil will be available for interview by arrangement on Friday 12 June. END

    Editor: the above press release reminds me of the reaction of one friend when I told her that my mother’s funeral would be a Traditional Latin Mass. She looked surprised and said: “But, will she get her favourite hymns?” THAT appears to be the level to which Catholic understanding of the Mass has sunk. What hymns will be sung? God help them.

    I also replied to the above press release to point out that (last time I checked) eulogies are not permitted at Catholic funerals. The Irish bishops actually tried to stamp out all the abuses that go on at funerals and weddings, eulogies at funerals being one of them and met with hostile resistance from the people, who just won’t, I’m told, accept the “new” rules about eulogies and secular music. Akin to the Catholics who objected to the latest translation of the Mass, pleading for a return to the “old” Mass (the novus ordo, as it appeared before the latest changes) which they had grown to love (after 40 years – the rest of us who missed the Mass we’d had for centuries are laughed out of court for our “nostalgia”) Truly, you couldn’t make it up.

    June 11, 2015 at 11:02 am
  • westminsterfly

    And on the Feast of the Sacred Heart too . . .

    June 11, 2015 at 11:18 am
  • editor



    Anyway, some good news for a change. Bishop Schneider, as ever, speaks out and hits the nail on the head…Here’s an extract with link to source – worth reading the entire article/interview…

    “With regard to the synodal question as to whether “accepting and valuing [homosexuals’] sexual orientation” could align with Catholic doctrine, Bishop Schneider pointed out, “There are clear statements of the Magisterium concerning the sinfulness of homosexual acts, concerning the objective disorder of the homosexual tendency, and, above all, concerning the sinfulness and unlawfulness of the adoption of children by homosexual couples.”

    When asked about the Irish referendum, Bishop Schneider said, “The result of the recent referendum in Ireland is a mirror and an indicator of the extent to which the broad masses of a people, with many Catholics among them, and – one might cry out to God – even representatives of the Catholic clergy – have allowed themselves to be indoctrinated by the neo-Communist gender ideology.”
    “The masses go along with the Zeitgeist, and not few clergymen, sometimes even prelates, collaborate with this Zeitgeist, along with their politically correct attitude.”

    “The recent history of Europe has shown how masses very quickly adopt ideologies, and even inhuman ideologies, such as, for example, Fascism, National-Socialism, and Soviet Communism. However, unlike earlier times in history, in our own days there is now to be found among the ranks of the clergy a higher proportion of collaborators with the new reigning ideology.”

    “This is a sign of the magnitude of the crisis of Faith within the Church. On the other hand, there is also now a chance for all who have remained loyal to their Baptismal promises – and loyal to the Faith of the Apostles and of the Saints – to confess and defend the Faith! The current time is not a time for sleep of sloth, but a time for being a good soldier of Christ (2 Tim 2:3). Our battle is a spiritual battle, a battle for the truth, with love (see Eph 4:15).” Source

    June 11, 2015 at 5:07 pm
    • Michaela

      That’s a really good interview with Bishop Schneider. I heard that he has visited the SSPX seminary so maybe he will end up joining them, because he will be a target of the modernists in Rome if not already, for his outspokenness.

      Also, I wonder how many modern Catholics have ever been told that they are supposed to be “soldiers of Christ” post Confirmation?

      June 11, 2015 at 6:50 pm
      • Christina

        Michaela, I honestly think he will better serve the Church where he is, as if he joins the SSPX he can more easily be ignored and dismissed, even now, as ‘schismatic’ or worse (according to a local old-rite celebrating cleric I have ‘joined the dark side’ by going to SSPX Masses!). There are other faithful prelates in the ‘mainstream’, and they will need a rallying point. Bp. Schneider might provide it, judging from this and his other recent similar writings and sayings.

        June 11, 2015 at 8:07 pm
      • editor


        I think you’ve got a point.

        One & All….

        Here’s the latest press release from the Scottish Catholic Media Office, regarding the funeral of Charles Kennedy, former MP, to take place tomorrow, Friday 12 June…

        Homily, Fr. Roddy McAuley: (Check against delivery)

        Charles Kennedy was a humble man. When Charles’ parents died and Charles said a few words in the church, he wouldn’t come up here to the lectern but insisted on speaking outside the sanctuary, from the floor. In this church, Charles was one of the ‘backbenchers’. He didn’t always sit in the same pew but he always sat at the back of the church.

        The Gospel passage chosen for Charles’ funeral Mass today is the parable of the Pharisee and the Tax collector. I chose it because of the humble prayer of the tax collector. The word ‘humility’ was born from the Latin word ‘humus’ or earth, and is also the root of the word humour. This humility calls us to stay close to the earth with our feet on the ground. Six times in the passage the pharisee mentions “I”. He prayed to himself, not to God. On the other hand, the prayer of the tax collector is a model. He said simply, ‘Lord, be merciful to me a sinner’. Is there a more beautiful prayer that we could say than that?

        There’s a thoughtful reflection by William Barclay which states, “O Father, give us the humility which realises its ignorance, admits its mistakes, recognises its need, welcomes advice, accepts rebuke. Help us always to praise rather than to criticise, to sympathise rather than to condemn, to encourage rather than to discourage, to build rather than to destroy, and to think of people at their best rather than at their worst”. We accept and acknowledge a person’s giftedness and Charles giftedness was devoted to and shared with the community.

        Ian and Mary Kennedy, the parents of Charles, Isobel and Ian, were both awarded the Benemerenti medal, Latin for the “well deserved” medal for their services to their church. The Benemerenti medal was accepted with great humility by Mary and Ian, and never displayed. That humility was inherited by Charles, Isobel and Ian.

        Mary played the organ and Ian the fiddle here in St. John’s for over forty years, and at their son Charles’ funeral today we are pleased to have a number of musicians who have come together to play, as they did for the funerals of his parents. Charles loved music and he famously quoted, “I couldn’t imagine a day without music. It relaxes and stimulates me in equal measure and, I hate the sound of silence – the concept I mean, not the track by Simon and Garfunkel”.

        There have been beautiful tributes paid to Charles especially over the past week or so. Something we might add is the importance of Charles’ faith to him. He was a much loved and respected parishioner of St. John’s and he will be sorely missed. May he rest in peace. END.

        Reflecting on that homily, I can’t help but compare it to the sermon at my mother’s funeral in February, where the (SSPX) priest spoke very clearly about the two ultimate destinations for every soul, with the hope of Purgatory also mentioned in the context that we could be quite sure that my mother was not in Hell (listing some practical reasons – no sentimentalism). I’m feeling that we were very blessed indeed to have provided my beloved mother with an unmistakeably Catholic funeral/sermon, and not a violin within earshot.

        Let’s all redouble our prayers for Charles Kennedy, against the background of the modern Mass, eulogy and eulogising homily that is, sadly, his lot in death – may he rest in peace.

        June 11, 2015 at 9:07 pm
      • Fidelis

        I couldn’t agree more. Funerals these days are just canonisation ceremonies by another name, although the homily quoted above isn’t too bad in that way.

        Personally, I would want a lot of emphasis laid on the need to pray for my soul in case I’m in Purgatory.

        I’ll remember Charles tomorrow in prayer, at the time of his funeral. I’m hoping to get to Mass, so that will be for him as well.

        June 12, 2015 at 12:01 am
      • editor

        I’ve just listened to the news on BBC where Laura Bicker, one of their Scots reporters spoke outside the church building where the funeral of Charles Kennedy will take place later today. She spoke about the fact that Charles was a regular member of the congregation and quoted the parish priest, Fr Roddy McAuley as saying that Charles would sit at the back and “listen intently”.

        The terrible and destructive nature of the crisis in the Church struck me forcibly at that moment, because if that priest had been preaching the fullness of Catholic doctrine and morals “in season and out of season”, I doubt very much if Charles Kennedy – who, it seems clear, by “listening intently” showed a desire to know the truth – would have been able to describe himself as a “liberal” Catholic and I doubt very much indeed if he would have voted as he did to support abortion and “gay” rights.

        That he’s “listened intently” week after week and heard nothing but the usual modernist garbage, is an indictment on the seminary training of priests and their on-going (lack of) formation, their failure to comprehend that the thorny issues are not Church-invented prohibitions but divinely revealed truths – that is, truths (whether in the religious or moral sphere) that have been revealed by GOD and therefore they must pass that on as clearly and as cleverly as possible, in order to win souls for Christ, always warning of the consequences of defying God’s divinely revealed will for us. What a different Catholic Charles might have been, had he heard truly Catholic sermons instead of chatty “we’re all right, Jack” homilies.

        Tragically, as Laura Bicker’s indulgent smile when she quoted Fr McAuley indicates, the world will applaud today’s “service” with its enjoyable music, its Protestant reflection (William Barclay) and its banal homily which teaches nothing of the four last things, the staple diet of Catholic funerals in years gone by (and in traditional Masses today), always bearing in mind the need to touch souls in the congregation who may be lapsed from the Faith or outside the Church, as well as urging prayers for the deceased’s early release from Purgatory. None of us can presume that we will go straight to Heaven but we can win release from Purgatory for a soul, and for a priest to fail to exhort us to the charity of praying to that end, is unconscionable. Modernist funerals are just one long eulogy, it seems. So, brace yourselves for the coverage today. And continue to pray for the repose of the soul of Charles Kennedy. May he rest in peace.

        June 12, 2015 at 11:55 am
      • Spudeater


        Your exhortation for prayers for the repose of the soul of Charles Kennedy to be redoubled is very charitable but I have to sound a potentiallycontroversial note. As you yourself so rightly have pointed out, Charles Kennedy repeatedly voted against motions that would restrain (even in minor ways) Britain’s abortion laws and repeatedly voted in favour of motions that promoted and strengthened the homosexualist agenda in this country. I don’t think it’s unfair to characterise those actions of his as wilful rebellion against the Church i.e.God (he who is not with Me is against Me). For a Catholic to vote in that way is always much more harmful and painful to behold than if it were someone outside the Church – the Latin saying ‘Corruptio optimi pessima’ (the corruptionof the Best is the worst) springs to mind – and Charles Kennedy (an educated man and no fool,at least in the worldly sense of the word) always had plenty of time to choose which lobby to parade through. So while it’s axiomatic for me to say that we all need prayer all of the time (and especially the lapsed), I personally would frame my parting exhortation slightly differently – Let us all say even one Hail Mary for all those Catholics,particularly those who have strayed from the Faith, who are going to die in the next 24 hours and who may have no one to pray for them either now or after their death.

        P.S. I’d also mention, for example, Christopher Lee who was half-Italian and who once told students at UCD never to experiment with the occult as they would “lose not only their minds but also their souls” – words which indicate that he was (probably) a Catholic. He was also however a Tory supporter so maybe prayers should be redoubled for him.

        June 12, 2015 at 9:18 pm
      • westminsterfly


        “In fact we are absolutely prohibited from presuming that any soul is lost”. Well said. I am always reminded of the story in Abbe Trochu’s book on the life of the Cure D’Ars (full story on page 539 onwards). A woman came to Ars, very distressed. Her husband, who didn’t practice his religion, had committed suicide, by jumping off a bridge and drowning. She, naturally, was devastated and very fearful of his salvation. She wanted to get to speak with the Cure, but as it happens, he approached her and told her that her husband had been saved. The Cure D’Ars said “He is in Purgatory, and you must pray for him. Between the parapet of the bridge and the water he had time to make an act of contrition. Remember the shrine that you put up in your room during the month of May. Though your husband professed to have no religion, he sometimes joined in your prayers; this merited for him the grace of repentance and pardon at the last moment.”

        June 13, 2015 at 9:49 am
      • Margaret Mary

        Westminster Fly,

        That is a beautiful story from the Cure D’Ars and very consoling. God’s mercy is so great that I have no trouble believing that “from the parapet of the bridge to the water” the suicide had the grace to repent.

        June 13, 2015 at 4:58 pm
      • Spudeater

        I totally agree that we can’t say that any soul is lost but I was trying to convey that my preference was for more of a focus on what could be called ‘forgotten’ souls rather than a soul who one would imagine has quite a lot of people already remembering him in their prayers (and rightly so). It may be an extreme point to make and an unsubtle, even crass illustration of my argument but no one would ever suggest. praying for Hitler or Stalin and while I’m not equating poor Charles Kennedy with either of them, abortion is right up there (or rather down there) with the crimes committed by those pair. In short Ed., I just felt that the tsunami of supplication that you could potentially unleash by appealing for prayers for someone could be slightly diverted.

        Anyway,Ed. and Westminsterfly, that’s two against one. That’s an unfair fight with me being a theological pygmy and all. (And no, I’m not slyly comparing myself to St. John of the Cross just because he was 5 foot nothing).

        June 13, 2015 at 10:03 pm
      • editor


        Stop digging!

        I do understand what you are saying but – at the risk of shocking you – I have to say that Catholics would, indeed, have been expected to pray for the souls of Hitler and Stalin on their death. We cannot wish or sanction that any soul end up in Hell, such is the horror of the place. As for “diverting” supplications – if they are not needed by the soul for whom we offer the prayers, they go to the next in line. That’ll be me you’ll see pushing to the front of the queue, when my time comes – the very thought of which has me trembling from head to toe.

        And who are you calling a “theological pygmy”? Not my friend Spudeater! No way! You’re just a tad creative on the theology front which means you are on course for a top job in just about any diocese in the world!

        June 13, 2015 at 11:22 pm
  • Gerontius

    Editor, this quote from Bishop Schneiders interview is a timely reminder that, like it or not, we are involved in a war. Each of us can testify to the daily attacks of the forces of evil, from temptations to sin, to their insidious and dangerous attempts to stop us from carrying out the work Our Lord has entrusted to us.

    “This is a sign of the magnitude of the crisis of Faith within the Church. On the other hand, there is also now a chance for all who have remained loyal to their Baptismal promises – and loyal to the Faith of the Apostles and of the Saints – to confess and defend the Faith! The current time is not a time for sleep of sloth, but a time for being a good soldier of Christ (2 Tim 2:3). Our battle is a spiritual battle, a battle for the truth, with love” (see Eph 4:15)

    In this regard a quite remarkable book has recently been published which has become for me an indispensable daily read. Editor please note, I give this link only to help anyone who is finding life difficult at this time. Hope I haven’t broken any rules.


    June 12, 2015 at 12:20 pm
    • editor


      Thank you for your thoughtful post – you’ve not broken any rules that I can see. Will check out your link later but since it’s looks like being about spiritual warfare, I can’t see it being a bad thing (unless it’s warning folk to avoid the Catholic Church as spiritually harmful! I am certain you wouldn’t be recommending it in that case).

      As things worsen, though, I find myself getting more and more frustrated with the majority of “mainstream” Catholics, like the one(s) a friend has just emailed me about, busy promoting a petition to be sent to the Pope asking him to reinstate the prayer to St Michael after Mass. Gimme strength. I mean, they have gone along with each and every novelty resulting from “that Council” and now they are resorting to petition-land to ask for bits and pieces back. Gimme, as I say, strength. And lots of it.

      I replied to my friend to pass on to her source the pretty obvious course of action open to anyone who wishes to hear the Prayer to St Michael at the end of every Mass – return to the Traditional Latin Mass and voila! There it is, unfailingly along with the three Hail Marys and the Hail Holy Queen, ordered to be prayed after every low Mass by Pope Leo XIII.

      As the popular saying goes… it ain’t rocket science!

      June 12, 2015 at 3:53 pm
  • anne

    If Catholics want their fervour and zeal back, they need to pray the Rosary, it is not an option! Please watch this video on Traditional Catholic Priest Web-site, we are also remembered in his Latin Mass if we read his web-site – What a free gift!

    The Church as we know it is now gone, we only have the buildings (empty) and Catholics are blissfully unaware.

    The Clergy and prelates right to the top have not done their job so all we have is a pseudo-church which is why the world is drowning in so much sin.

    Our Lady promised through the Rosary and the Scapular she would save the World.

    Keep “counting” our rosaries and living authentic Catholic lives.

    God bless all of you,


    June 13, 2015 at 6:25 pm
    • editor


      You are absolutely correct to exhort us to pray the rosary and enrol in and wear the Brown Scapular. Well said.

      I’ve visited that Traditional Catholic Priest website before and will do so again asap. Thank you for posting the link.

      God bless.

      June 13, 2015 at 11:25 pm
  • Summa

    I’m reading At. Peter Damian – his Teaching on the Spiritual Life by Owen J. Blum, O.F.M.

    Oh sweet Lord, send someone, a cleric, as zealous as this Holy Saint, to smoke out the scurrilous and the impure from Our Holy Mother Church.

    A great reformer.

    June 14, 2015 at 8:49 pm
  • Prognosticum

    The following is a very interesting development:

    June 14, 2015 at 10:05 pm
    • editor

      So, on the one hand we’ve got a petition doing the rounds to ask Pope Francis to restore the Prayer to St Michael at the end of the (new) Mass, and now we have Cardinal Sarah suggesting that this, that and the next item from the old Mass be imported into the new – why not blankety blank simply re-instate the ancient Mass and be done with it? Honestly – crazy people…

      June 14, 2015 at 11:05 pm
      • Gerontius

        During at least the last 50 years Holy Mother Church has suffered greatly. The cause? Our Lady requests weren’t complied with! Among the rest of the modernistic drivel, was any specific reason given for the removal of the prayer to St. Michael?
        Do I detect the rich ripe odour of Freemasonry?
        QUIS UT DEUS


        June 16, 2015 at 12:38 pm
  • Christina

    And it took nearly 50 years for the penny to drop!

    June 15, 2015 at 11:27 pm
  • editor

    N O T I C E . . .

    Please note that I have a blog post ready to publish on Thursday, as soon as I receive the authorised link to the new “Green” encyclical, so please, one and all, resist the temptation to be the first to post it here. Feel free to email it to me at if you think I’ve missed it, but not here, as we don’t want to have two or three discussions running at the same time on the same topic!

    Please and thank you!

    June 16, 2015 at 12:57 pm
  • Summa

    I received the usual nauseating bumpf from a spineless politician. Read below.


    Dear XXXX

    Thank you for your email of 15 May to Caroline Dinenage MP, Minister for Women and Equalities and Family Justice, about lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGB&T) equality and marriage of same-sex couples. I have been asked to reply on the Minister’s behalf.

    Firstly, thank you for taking the time to write to set out your concerns. Let me reassure you that the Government fully supports LGB&T equality. It has a strong track record of tackling inequalities and remains committed to doing so. The UK has just been named the most progressive country in Europe for LGB&T rights for the fifth year running, which is a testament to the achievements that have been made.

    The debate about marriage of same-sex couples was one about which many MPs received a great deal of representations from their constituents and which they will each have considered carefully before voting on the legislation. The Minister received correspondence requesting her to vote against the Bill at a ratio of 100:1 in comparison to those in favour. She therefore made the difficult decision to vote against the Bill, and represent the views of many of her constituents. As you know, the Bill was passed by Parliament and is now law, and the Minister fully supports this.

    Despite the progress that has been made in advancing LGB&T equality, the Minister recognises there is no room for complacency. She is committed to taking further action to support LGB&T equality, in particular, continuing the Government’s work on tackling homophobic bullying in schools and supporting LGB&T rights around the world. The Minister looks forward to working with LGB&T organisations to understand the challenges that remain and to discuss this Government’s priorities for this Parliament. Please be assured that the Minister is absolutely committed to tackling Government Equalities Office discrimination in all its forms and to creating a fairer society for everyone, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity.

    Yours sincerely,


    Ministerial Support Team


    June 17, 2015 at 1:02 am
    • editor


      In other words, Dineage now supports a law which is evil and which most people didn’t want. The response to your email was the usual claptrap, only more of it.

      June 17, 2015 at 10:46 am
  • Christina

    Summa, that is absolutely disgusting. The Ministerial team clearly has only bothered to draft one circular letter, so you get the same reply as that which would be sent to a whining pervert complaining about ‘discrimination’. I wonder how many of these fools really have any idea of what filth the LGB&T brigade wallows in. Just hearing those words makes me feel physically sick. How can an aggressively promoted ‘ideology’ manage to blind almost everyone as to it’s true nature?

    June 17, 2015 at 11:43 pm
  • Summa

    Apologies for the way in which the formatting of the letter came out.

    Yes, it is a canned response to all questions.

    Shameless glib vomit, doubly insulting to Our Lord, on such a weighty matter.

    June 18, 2015 at 12:12 am
    • editor

      Summa – my apologies to you. I usually fix any such formatting problems but didn’t have time when I first saw your post, and then it slipped on to the back burner. I’ve now put it right, so all’s well that ends well.

      A disgraceful response in any case – as Christina says it’s obviously a standard letter that is entirely inappropriate.

      June 18, 2015 at 12:22 am
  • Andrew Paterson

    I came across this recently. The Holy Father is urging us to bring more Mohammedans into our country it seems.

    June 18, 2015 at 10:36 am
    • Summa

      Marxist ideology of world citizens and no borders.

      Apart the ‘God of Surprises’ embarrassment, has anyone hear Pope Francis mention God in any of his speeches?

      June 18, 2015 at 10:44 am
      • Christina

        No, but as I’ve just said on another thread, he uncritically and unintelligently, though enthusiastically, embraces every ideology of the times. God isn’t PC. What an idiot – to pontificate like this about migrants. Clearly he has no idea about the ultimate terrestrial intentions of his beloved Islam in spite of the evidence piling up daily on the world’s TV screens.

        June 19, 2015 at 10:23 pm
  • Spiritus

    LifeSiteNews have an article re: Bishop Johan Bonny of Antwerp being approved to attend the Synod on the Family in october. This bishop had previouly argued for an overthrow of a doctrinal/natural-law approach to marriage and sexuality in favour of the primacy of personal “conscience”.

    June 18, 2015 at 4:50 pm
  • Christina

    Another little victory for Satan. What puzzles me is the fact that the diabolical origins of this perverted prelate’s ideas about natural law, ‘new insights concerning marriage’, etc., are not evident to anyone who is not already a slave of unnatural vice.

    June 20, 2015 at 11:05 am
  • editor

    Here’s the latest on the Scottish Government’s outrageous intrusion into Family Life. The NO2NP campaign were right all along. I considered posting a new thread on this topic but since I’m planning to attend one of the NO2NP roadshows, I’ll wait to report on that: below the latest from the campaign… Note: all links can be accessed in the original article, linked at the end of the report below…


    Parents will be told at a training day today that their children will be monitored by state officials who will “check every child has what they need to have a good life”.

    Organisers behind the ‘GetLive GIRFEC Event For Parents‘ were accused of bribing parents into supporting the Named Person scheme when it was revealed they were offering £25 vouchers and free travel and refreshments, along with free childcare, to attend the event.

    In a leaflet, ‘An Easy Read Guide To… Getting It Right For Every Child (GIRFEC)’, sent to delegates ahead of today’s event, the state benchmark of a “good life” is set out for parents in detail.

    GIRFEC is the policy behind the Named Person scheme.

    Explaining its SHANARRI “wellbeing” indicators, the booklet tells parents there are “8 things every child needs to have a good life”.

    SHANARRI stands for; safe, healthy, achieving, nurtured, active, respected, responsible and included.

    The leaflet instructs parents about what they should and should not do in order to fulfil these Government parenting standards. It makes clear that the job of the Named Person – and other officials like social workers and doctors – is to check parents are complying with these standards.

    It states: “People who work with your child will check…”
    – “Your child gets praise when they do well”
    – “Your child does activities they like to do”
    – “Your child gets a say in things like how their room is decorated and what to watch on TV”
    – “You trust your child to do the right thing”
    – “Your child can be part of a group like Scouts, Brownies or a football group if they want to”

    The leaflet also says state officials will check which people are around your child, where your child lives and what is going on in your child’s life. They will even “think about what is good about your child’s environment”, and “think about what could be better”.

    Read the full leaflet here

    A spokesman for NO2NP said: “We have warned all along that the Named Person scheme would undermine parents’ responsibility for their own children and allow state officials unprecedented powers to interfere with family life.

    “This leaflet confirms that the Named Person is intended to take a highly intrusive role in ordinary family life. It’s effectively an admission that critics of the scheme have been right all along. “

    “The list of things the Named Person – and doctors, nurses, teachers social workers – ‘will check’ is outrageous. It is exactly the kind of invasive behaviour we’ve been warning about.

    “For example, if a child doesn’t like the colour scheme or wants to watch films containing horrendous violence or sex scenes, the child can complain to the Named Person who then adjudicates on the family’s decisions about décor and who holds the TV remote control. It is absolutely outrageous.

    “In the past the Scottish Government and their officials have attempted to dismiss opponents of this scheme for exaggerating its impact.

    “Clearly, we were right all along and they have been trying to keep us all in the dark about what they really intend.

    “Unless parents wake up quickly to what the Named Person is really about and make their voices heard, many of them will face a level of state monitoring of the minutiae of parenting that is unprecedented in our history.

    “This is not about protecting vulnerable children. It is not about helping families who want help. It is about policing parenting according to a state ‘happiness’ index. Families cannot thrive under that kind of ‘big brother’ scrutiny.” Read: State-Approved ‘Good Life’ For Kids…

    June 20, 2015 at 11:38 am
  • Spudeater

    I saw that the superb film ‘A Man for all Seasons’ is on BBC2 tomorrow at 3.15 p.m. Nothing remarkable in that as it’s on TV reasonably often. Then I remembered that June 22nd is the Feast Day of St.Thomas More (& St.John Fisher). Has a practising left-footer successfully evaded the BBC’s air defences and managed to rise to the position of Programming Scheduler? Fully paid up members of the National Secular Society don’t religiously pay their license fee to then have Catholic propaganda broadcast to the nation in a suspiciously coincidental fashion. I would consider supergluing myself to the railings outside the BBC’s sparkling new H.Q. in protest but thankfully it’s a long way to Salford.

    Anyway,thought I’d share the full quote from which the film title is taken:

    Thomas More is a man of an angel’s wit and singular learning;
    A man of excellent virtues – gentleness,lowliness,affability;
    A man of marvellous mirth and sometimes of sad gravity;
    A man for all seasons.
    Robert Whittinton (1480-1548)

    Oh, if only there was a Saint of his calibre in Britain during these unhappy times!

    June 21, 2015 at 4:36 pm
    • editor


      Many thanks for that advance notice – I’ve just clicked “record” to tape A Man For ALL Seasons tomorrow and on BBC as well – no pesky adverts! I’ve been meaning to buy the DVD for ages but I always have hassle with that (and many other machines!) so would prefer to have it recorded from TV. Isn’t this a good example of how television isn’t all bad?!

      As for your concluding sentence – are you forgetting about Athanasius? Waterside? Not to mention Crofterlady who is, as per usual, wandering the countryside even as I prepare for her canonisation? 😀

      June 21, 2015 at 5:27 pm
      • Spudeater

        O.K., ostensibly Athanasius, Warterside et al are right up there with St.Thomas More but can they be said to have matched one of his most eclectic (and selfless) ‘life choices’? Namely, once he had decided that marriage rather than the religious life was to be his vocation and after being introduced to two sisters from a good family who were both looking to be wed, he chose the older and less ‘vivacious’ sister to be his wife (despite much preferring the younger) purely in order to save her the embarrassment of having her younger sister wed first.

        Now that’s what I call heroic virtue (with a little bit of penance mixed in!)

        June 21, 2015 at 5:49 pm
  • editor


    I can just hear the fully paid up members of Benedicta Carter’s foundation, the St. Martina Luther Feminist Institute of Advanced Ecumenical Heresy, crying out in anguish “But did the older sister have a say in the matter?!” 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯

    June 21, 2015 at 6:02 pm
    • Spudeater

      Different times,Ed. Different times!!!

      P.S. Just realised I called Waterside “Warterside”. Apologies, WATERside. (And no, my typo wasn’t what St.Thomas More affectionately called his wife during the early years of their marriage).

      June 21, 2015 at 6:49 pm
  • editor

    Click here to read something very interesting. Just how much CAN we trust the so called medical professionals?

    June 22, 2015 at 2:03 pm
  • editor

    In case any of you can make it to the final (in the round) NO2Named Person Campaign Roadshow tonight – the details are here .. Urge as many as possible to attend. This is highly dangerous legislation – an unprecedented intrusion into family life and the rights of parents. And the rights of children, who are entitled to grow up in home where their parents are relaxed and not worried to death about being visited by officials of the State because they think their children’s bedroom really wouldn’t look good papered in black with purple dots all over it. Yeah, folks, it’s really that bad.

    June 22, 2015 at 2:05 pm
  • westminsterfly

    A timely reminder of the dangers of the dangerous Kiko Arguello cult:-

    June 24, 2015 at 10:21 am
  • Christina

    I feel depressed and guilty today because this morning I watched the scenes at Calais as immigrants, apparently in their hundreds, chased and boarded lorries in a bid to reach Britain. I feel guilty because I didn’t feel pity, only anger at the impotence or unwillingness of authorities on both sides of the Channel to stem this illegal tide. I think that I should pity them, for according to one commentator, they must be desperate to be making such a journey from ‘all over Africa’. But all those I saw were young men. There were no women and children – fearful and miserable whole families, like some of those picked up out of the Mediterranean. If all these healthy (to all appearances) and agile young men are refugees, why have they left their families behind to endure whatever it is that is causing such desperation? It seemed to me that they looked more like adventurers – young men (chancers even) leaving home to make their own way in the world. If any kind blogger can put forward a kinder view maybe I will thereby be able to amend mine.

    June 24, 2015 at 9:09 pm
    • Alex F

      I am sorry to say that I am beginning to form a similar opinion. If I lived in some awful place like Iraq or Syria or Lybia or some other terrible place, right now I would be trying to get out. I would risk everything to get the people I love to safety. So I don’t blame the people who are crossing the Mediterranean in unseaworthy rafts, desperate to get into Europe. The alternative is to sit and wait for the head-chopping maniacs from Isis to arrive.

      However, the people coming through the tunnel and sneaking into lorries are in France. They are not EU citizens or they would just buy a ticket like everyone else. I can’t understand why they would risk everything to get from France to England when they are already in a safe place, relative to where they have come from.

      On the Channel 4 news tonight I got the impression that most were coming because of what they perceive as some kind of Promised Land in England. They complained about how tough things are for migrants in France and seemed to think things would be better in England. They are completely mistaken, and I fear that most who successfully make it across are going to be hugely disappointed. They obviously didn’t see the report from Prime Minister’s Questions today when dozens of people in wheelchairs tried to storm the Chamber to protest against cuts to benefits for disabled people.

      I have no doubt life can be tough in France for asylum seekers, but I find it hard to believe that it’s any harder than life in the UK. I thank God, that by His grace I have never been in their position, but if I had escaped from Syria and made it to safety in France, I expect I would just be so grateful to be there. If you are a genuine refugee France will not send you back and all of your basic needs will be catered for. You can start to build a life there.

      At least, that’s the impression I have. I am willing to admit I might have got it wrong.

      June 24, 2015 at 10:00 pm
  • Christina

    Me too. Tonight on the news they did show migrant camps in Calais, with women and children living in squalid conditions, but this morning it was just lorries running the gauntlet. I felt sorry for the drivers, but why don’t they all lock the rear doors securely?

    June 24, 2015 at 10:28 pm
  • wesrminsterfly

    Latest on Medjugorje here:- in Italian (please use Google translate to get the gist). It looks like a NO from the CDF commission, but with concessions . . .

    June 25, 2015 at 4:42 pm
  • editor


    I managed to get Google to translate WF’s Italian report: I hope it’s accurate – here goeth…

    “The only concession is to Medjugorje, which is recognized as a place of prayer, because God knows where they also collect seeds, the Cardinal explained Gerhard Ludwig Müller, Prefect of the Doctrine of the Faith, during the Plenary Assembly of the Congregation that, yesterday, met for express the authenticity of the alleged apparitions of the Madonna to the six “seers” of this small town in Bosnia-Herzegovina, who claim to have receive periodic messages from “Lady” for 34 years running.

    For the rest, the trial of the former Holy Office, which is expressed on the basis of the final report of the “Commission Ruini”, composed by Benedict XVI to shed light on these phenomena, it was absolutely negative.

    Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, in fact, the “apparitions” do not consist of any supernatural, therefore it is forbidden to the faithful to participate in the “ecstasy” of the six “seers” and the latter is allowed to disclose the texts of the messages that they would receive from the Madonna.

    Another NO regards the Medjugorje parish, dedicated to San Giacomo, who will become the Marian Shrine, as it would have liked to own the six “seers”. But not only the bishops in their dioceses should not receive the “seers” for public meetings and testimonies, as was the case until now, but merely to ensure accompanied by a priest, the pilgrims who come to Medjugorje. Pilgrims themselves, going to Medjugorje, will not have to recognize, by their presence, the authenticity of the apparitions and avoid any contact with the “seers”, focusing only on prayer and on the approach to the sacraments.

    But why so much severity by the Vatican? Firstly for the inconsistency theological message, then the economic interests of the “seers” who have invested in hotels and travel agencies, so the rivalries that have divided some of them and for disobedience is shown to the Bishop of Mostar, their diocese, both to the Pope, that through the “Commission Ruini” had ordered him, in vain, to deliver the ten secrets that they would receive from “Our Lady”.

    One of the key aspects that prompted the Vatican to use an iron fist, is just what the money: they had never seen true visionaries who lucrassero on their own appearances. Lawful, at this point, doubt: the six “seers” of Medjugorje claim to see and talk to Madonna because the alleged apparitions are real or just to draw the largest number of pilgrims from traveling to their agencies and to be placed in their hotels?

    The last word goes to Pope Francis, who soon will issue a special decree, but it is difficult to think that the Pope, may change the conclusions of the Doctrine of the Faith, because many times, himself, expressed more or hand clearly, the skepticism about the quality of what is happening in Medjugorje. It is, therefore, to a resounding “black smoke”. END.

    Let’s hope THAT is THAT!


    June 25, 2015 at 4:55 pm
  • westminsterfly

    If this report is correct, it’s shocking that even one concession was made. One should make NO concessions to evil. The Medjugorje propagandists will simply exploit that to continue business as usual. I’ve just been dealing with one of them on another matter, and they are thoroughly dishonest.

    One of them put a post on his blog saying that Our Lady appeared to Sister Lucia of Fatima and told her She was appearing in Medjugorje. This lie has been repeated many times before, and a while back, someone actually wrote to the Fatima shrine and the Coimbra convent and asked if it were true. Both categorically stated that it wasn’t true.

    When I sent the site documentary evidence of this (i.e. a photocopy of a letter from the Fatima shrine authorities) they refused to post my comment, although they posted a pro-Medjugorje comment. When I remonstrated with them for not revealing the truth, I got a load of nonsensical responses, basically evading the issue. They just want to promote lies and suppress the truth.

    I’m also concerned about anything Pope Francis may say or do. Judging by comments made so far, I’d say he doesn’t support Medjugorje, and will reinforce the CDF decision officially, but you know what he is like for these unofficial ‘off-the-cuff’ remarks – he could say anything which they will exploit or give them false hope.

    June 25, 2015 at 5:59 pm
    • westminsterfly

      I think your Google translation should say ‘the latter is NOT allowed to disclose the texts of the messages that they would receive from the Madonna . . . ‘

      June 25, 2015 at 6:11 pm
    • Confitebor Domino


      I’ve come to the conclusion that the Muddy Gorge fanatics are cut from the same cloth as the climate alarmists – both appear to be utterly impervious to reason!

      June 25, 2015 at 7:50 pm
  • westminsterfly

    I think this Bing translation is a bit better:-

    Medjugorje, the Vatican rejects the apparitions and isolates the visionaries

    The only concession is to Medjugorje, recognized as a place of prayer, because God knows where they also collect seeds, explained Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller, prefect of doctrine of the faith, the congregation during the Plenary that, yesterday, met to speak to the authenticity of the alleged apparitions of the Virgin Mary to six “visionaries” of this small village in Bosnia and Herzegovina, who claim to have periodically receive messages from “Gospa” from 34 consecutive years.

    For the rest, the judgement of the former Holy Office, which expressed itself on the basis of the final report of the “Commission Ruini”, composed by Benedict XVI to shed light on these phenomena, was absolutely negative. For the Congregation of the doctrine of the faith, in fact, the “appearances” does not consist any supernatural, therefore it is forbidden to the faithful to participate in “ecstasy” of six “seers” and the latter is forbidden to disseminate the texts of the messages that they would receive from Madonna.

    Another NO concerns the parish Medjugorje, dedicated to St. James, which won’t become the Marian shrine, which would own the six “seers”. But not only: the bishops should not welcome in their Diocese the “visionaries” for meetings and public testimony, as happened up until now, but merely to assure the accompaniment by a priest, the pilgrims who will travel to Medjugorje. The pilgrims themselves, going to Medjugorje, will not have to recognize, by their presence, the authenticity of the apparitions and avoid any contact with the “seers”, focusing only on prayer and the combination to the sacraments.

    But why so much severity by the Vatican? First of all for the theological message inconsistency, then for the economic interests of “visionaries” who invested in hotels and travel agencies, so the rivalry that has divided some of them and for disobedience and shown the Bishop of Mostar, their diocese, both towards the Pope, through the “Commission Ruini” had ordered, in vain, to deliver the ten secrets that would receive from the “Gospa”.

    One of the key issues that prompted the Vatican to use an iron fist, is precisely that: money never had seen true seers who lucrassero on their own appearances. Fair, at this point, doubt: the six “visionaries” of Medjugorje claim to see and talk to Madonna because the alleged apparitions are real or just to draw the largest number of pilgrims to travel with their agencies and to fix in their hotels? The last word is up to the Pope, which soon will issue a special decree, but it is hard to imagine that the Pontiff would alter the conclusions of the doctrine of the faith, even as it repeatedly himself, showed more or clearly hand, his scepticism about the goodness of what is happening in Medjugorje. You go, therefore, to a resounding “black smoke”.

    June 25, 2015 at 6:15 pm
  • westminsterfly

    A better translation of yesterday’s reports can be found here, with links to further commentaries:-

    June 26, 2015 at 9:51 am
  • Christina

    Roma locuta est, causa finita est. Can’t say that as often these days as formerly, but thank God for an end to this scandal.

    June 26, 2015 at 11:01 am
  • westminsterfly

    Confitebor Domino

    As Diane Korzienewski said on her blog:- “Two main sources in Italy dropped bombshells by publishing articles online suggesting they had gotten a scoop on what is soon to happen with Medjugorje. One of those is a report from Vatican watcher Gianluca Barile, writing at Diary of a Vaticanista; and the other, a report by Serena Sartini of il Giornale . The accounts differ slightly, and neither mentions where they got the information, so presumably, it was leaked. Therefore, the usual caveats apply.”

    Undoubtedly these are leaks so maybe the official decision won’t come out until the Autumn.
    But either way the supporters of Medjugorje won’t go away that quietly. They’ve already got the next ruse worked out in the event of a negative verdict, in order to keep the show on the road, details of which were released on a new pro-Medjugorje website yesterday. God doesn’t want Church Approval of Medjugorje! There now, ain’t that a thing. You couldn’t make this stuff up.

    June 26, 2015 at 2:00 pm
    • editor


      I’ve just read that link – truly incredible stuff. Church approval would “hinder” Our Lady… Absolutely crazy stuff.

      June 26, 2015 at 2:37 pm
  • editor

    Some of you may have noticed when you logged in today, that there is a rainbow banner right across the top of the page, only logged in users can see it. I contacted WordPress Support to ask about it, and was told that it will be there for a few days in support of the American Supreme Court decision to legalise “gay marriage” in all 50 states of the USA.

    I expressed my outrage, said I found it grossly offensive, and asked them to remove it from our blog but they said they cannot do that.

    Am I alone in feeling fed up to the back teeth with homosexuality being rammed down our throats at every turn? As I said in my message to them, we don’t find marriage, or cohabitation or single celibate lifestyles being rammed down our throats at every turn, with parades, marches, celebrations that cost a packet, paid for by local authorities etc – just this (entirely unnatural) pseudo-sexual behaviour between two people of the same gender.

    Here folks, is one more reason to think twice about renewing our subscription next July.

    June 27, 2015 at 12:31 am
    • pew catholic

      Am commenting as it’s the only way I know of logging in to see this. Completely agree with editor about the strident, bullying way this campaign is carried on. It will come to the point at which companies like WordPress and Mozilla will be afraid NOT to support it with banners, etc. Maybe it’s reached that point already. These are dictatorship tactics.

      June 27, 2015 at 10:38 am
    • pew catholic

      Hmm. After all that, can’t see a rainbow banner. I’m working from an iPad which may be different. Or maybe WordPress has listened to Editor after all? At least it’s not obviously ‘in your face’, which is maybe a point in WordPress’s favour.

      June 27, 2015 at 10:51 am
      • Confitebor Domino

        I’m logged in on my PC and I don’t see it either, nor did I notice it last night.

        Perhaps it’s only visible if you’re logged in as an administrator?

        June 27, 2015 at 10:59 am
      • editor

        CD et al,

        If you click on READER at top of the page, then you should see it.

        June 27, 2015 at 12:36 pm
      • Summa

        I see it. Sick.

        June 27, 2015 at 12:44 pm
      • Jobstears


        The rainbow banner is still up! I agree with Pew Catholic about “dictatorship tactics”. I’m sick of having the ‘gay agenda’ the ‘green agenda’ and every other perverse and nonsensical agenda being forced on us and then being told we are outdated for not ‘getting with’ the times 😯 😀

        This is for the world to see how progressive, inclusive and accepting we are.

        June 27, 2015 at 2:39 pm
      • editor


        That’s truly unbelievable. For these people to abuse the rainbow and appropriate it for themselves to boast their perverse behaviour is bad enough but for the USA Government to actually portray their world famous building in those colours beggars belief. I do believe that whoever said “whom the gods would make mad they first destroy” was on to something.

        My already rock bottom opinion of all politicians is ever lower now – that is just incredible.

        I’m trying to think of any other example of a court ruling being celebrated in this way. I can’t think of one. Given Obama’s clear disapproval of Scottish independence, does that mean that, if the vote had been YES, he would have portrayed the white house draped in the saltire (Scottish flag)? I don’t think so.

        This is truly, as Summa so delicately put it, “sick”. Terminally ill, in fact.

        June 27, 2015 at 3:12 pm
      • editor


        I posted that photo of the (not so) White House on out homepage, website. It’s a disgrace. The photo, not our website! 😀

        June 27, 2015 at 3:41 pm
      • Jobstears


        June 27, 2015 at 4:57 pm
      • pew catholic

        Found it. Would CT’s webmaster be able to dream up some sort of opposing banner for THIS site? Would WordPress object, do you think?

        June 27, 2015 at 3:16 pm
      • editor

        Pew Catholic,

        Can’t be done.

        However, I’m now going to post a headline on the website with invitation to comment on this thread – I had thought of posting a new thread but too late now that there are several comments on this thread on the topic. I will refresh the website with a headline about the issue and the role of Catholic blogs in supporting WP.

        June 27, 2015 at 3:18 pm
  • editor

    Well, they told me it would only be visible to logged in users – not just administrators. Anyway, they should not presume that everyone is pleased about the Supreme Court ruling. It is, as Pew Catholic says “dictatorship tactics”. I don’t think they’ll have removed it – they said it would up there for a few days at least, to show their support for the ruling. Anyway, I think it’s completely unacceptable.

    And here’s an interesting aside. When I have contacted WordPress for support, as earlier yesterday I was having a problem posting the new thread, they are always very good and resolve the issue. They then send me a “rate your experience” email where I can click that the experience was “great” “good” or “not good”. I’ve always clicked “great” and then a page appears asking me for more feedback, what could they have done better, to which I invariably reply that nothing could have been better, the employee was very efficient, resolved problem etc. Well, just now I received the email to “rate your experience” and clicked “not good” which took me to a page saying “thanks for your feedback” – no way of saying what was not good about it! Laugh? I thought I’d never start!

    June 27, 2015 at 11:11 am
  • crofterlady

    Vote with your feet, editor, and don’t renew your subscription to WordPress. Having said that I can’t see any rainbow or any “READER” to click on!

    June 27, 2015 at 3:05 pm
    • editor


      I did tell WP support that I would be discussing this with my colleagues and it is highly unlikely that we would be renewing our subscription next July. Reply: that’s your right…

      If only EVERY Catholic blog would threaten likewise, that might help.

      You will see the word Reader if you look at the top of this page, on the left hand side, where there is a black strip. The letter W is on the far left, then My Site, then Reader. Click Reader and you will see the banner.

      June 27, 2015 at 3:14 pm
  • crofterlady

    Thanks, but still can’t find it!

    June 27, 2015 at 5:22 pm
  • crofterlady

    Got it! It’s not on my page automatically. I clicked on “Site Admin” at the top right hand side of this page and up came (on the left) W, My Site and Reader.

    June 27, 2015 at 5:39 pm
  • Michaela

    I hate that rainbow banner and WordPress have a real nerve posting it without permission, assuming everyone is either pro-homosexual or “homophobic” – they can’t get it into their heads that some people may genuinely believe that sexual activity between two people of the same sex is plain wrong.

    I agree that it would be better not to sign up with them when the renewal comes up but is there honestly any point? Will other blogs be any different? I think they’re all going along with the homosexualists because it makes life a lot easier, at least on this side of eternity.

    June 27, 2015 at 10:19 pm
    • spudeater

      Forget the ‘Richard Of York’ mnemonic, it’s now been perversely mutated to ‘Ruination Of Youth Gives Beelzebub Iniquitous “Victory” ‘.

      And God’s words of hope and consolation after the Flood (‘I set my bow in the clouds as a sign of the covenant between Me and the earth’) have been diabolically appropriated and twisted to ‘I invert the bow and fix it in the earth as a defiled symbol of my pact with this faithless generation.’

      June 28, 2015 at 2:46 pm
  • Helen

    Why not get our own blog? I have heard it can be done.

    June 27, 2015 at 11:21 pm
  • Athanasius

    I fear for this world, I really do. Matters are racing so quickly to a conclusion in this final battle between Our Lady and Lucifer that it’s hard to keep up with the daily degeneration. As the Blessed Mother predicted at Quito and again at Fatima, the evil sects have taken complete control of the world’s affairs and are erasing all Christianity, holiness and purity from it with increasing haste while the Pope and the bishops make themselves conspicuous by their silence, and in some cases approval.

    Perhaps Pope Francis’ decision to be the first Pontiff to reject the Papal red slippers, symbolic of St. Peter’s martyrdom, was more telling than any of us first realised. But, as Our Lady promised, just when evil appears to have succeeded universally, Our Lady will manifest herself in a sudden and miraculous manner and will crush the head of the serpent. I believe this, and I believe it is iminent.

    June 27, 2015 at 11:28 pm
  • Christina

    Athanasius’s, well there could surely be no clearer sign of the ‘universal acceptance’ of one of the worst of sins than the rainbow lighting up of the White House. Also, and not unrelatedly, having just been reading Waterside4’s link on the green encyclical thread, and concluding that Freemasonry has all but achieved its final goal on earth, I agree that time must surely have just about run out. Frankly, I’m scared stiff about what might happen to this world when, we have been told, the living will envy the dead.

    June 28, 2015 at 11:21 am
    • Athanasius


      I wouldn’t be scared of what may come, just leave all in God’s hands. As long as we remain in a state of grace that’s all we need concern ourselves with. Besides, who knows, the Pope may yet find himself constrained to order the bishops to join with him in a public and solemn consecration of Russia to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart, which would change everything.

      Failing this Pontifical action, however, the world will very shortly stand on the brink of nuclear war, as relations continue to deteriorate between Russia and the West, especially now that the U.S. appears to be strengthening its presence in other Baltic States. It’s almost as if Obama and other Western leaders have greatly underestimated the military strength of Russia, not to mention its ally China, and are sleep walking into disaster.

      Our Lady said at Fatima that Russia would be the instrument used by God to chastise the world. We have already seen this happen as one former Christian country after another has fallen into secular atheism and debauchery, the latter symptom historically indicative of a once-great civilisation now entered into its death throes. This is the supernatural chastisement, the apostasy of many nations and Churchmen resulting in a universal loss of souls unprecedented in 2000 years of Church history.

      The material chastisement, nuclear war, or direct divine intervention, does not come close in terms of horror, but it will be, as Our Lord said, unlike anything that has befallen the world from its foundation till now.

      It has to come because modern man, unlike any time before, now stands before God and declares his pride in the vilest of sins. Nations, one after the other, are rushing to join the Luciferian chorus “Non Serviam,” despising all that was once beautiful, holy and pure in favour of unbridled pagan hedonism. It’s the pride in their sins that will provoke God’s justice because they are now lost to all shame and modesty.

      Furthermore, it is not by accident that the “gay lobby” has siezed the rainbow symbol for its standard. The rainbow, says Holy Scripture, was set in the heavens by God as testimony to His promise never again to destroy the world by flood, which worldwide disaster was provoked by a general debauchery of mankind at the time. Our own generation has now far exceeded pre-flood immorality, and it uses that sacred symbol to further advocate its hatred of God and all that is holy. The New Age movement, an organ of the occult, also uses the rainbow. Why can’t people see the demonic intelligence behind so obvious a rebellion against the Almighty?

      As Apocalypse says: “…and the whole world bowed down in admiration of the beast”. Well, the beast, or Satan, will very soon be cast back into the eternal abyss along with his servants and admirers, all those who advocate and/or support immoral practices, those who call evil good and good, evil. Nothing is more certain, nothing more imminent, unless, like the people of Nineveh, there is a universal return to God in penance and amendment.

      Barring a great miracle, I personally cannot see so global a change of heart occurring. And it does not bode well that the ancient city of Nineveh was recently razed to the ground by ISIS and had its Christian polutation driven out. It’s the first time in 2000 years that Nineveh has been completely de-Christianised. We need the Pope to carry out that consecration of Russia now if the world hopes to escape the just wrath of God.

      June 28, 2015 at 2:52 pm
      • Frankier

        I don’t think Russia can be blamed for what has happened to Ireland during the past thirty or forty years.

        Ireland can only be described now as evil.

        June 29, 2015 at 10:18 pm
  • Christina

    Editor, in view of this WordPress outrage, I don’t see how a Catholic blog can continue to subscribe to it. Is there any alternative, as Helen suggests?

    June 28, 2015 at 11:28 am
    • Jobstears


      I agree with you and with all the other bloggers about WordPress being highhanded about putting up the rainbow banner (I wish these folks had taken some other symbol instead of poisoning the rainbow with their nonsense) without any consideration for clients who may not agree with the White House decision. I also realize that there might be a question of whether to continue to use their services. On the other hand, if CT were to withdraw from the blogosphere (?) WordPress would not go under, but we would lose a valuable tool for reaching struggling Catholics and those who may be just starting to feel uncomfortable in the Protestantized NO church.

      I do think there might be an alternative. Let’s see what we can find 😀

      June 28, 2015 at 2:42 pm
    • editor


      I’ve received an email from one of our young readers, a student in the USA who has followed this discussion and is keen not to lose the blog, which she tells me she uses more for her theology work than the CCC ! She kindly set about investigating alternative blogs and sent me a list of possible alternates which I will forward to our webmaster without delay.

      If he thinks we can switch to one of them, I’ll ask him if we can archive this one. Not sure if all of these posts would be lost. Remember, he chose this particular package after our previous blog was hacked, so we would have to make sure we switch to one of the same quality. And pray that they don’t want to advertise their local “Pride” march every year! Getting ridiculous, the way this minority group of people is running the entire western world.


      Thank you for your kind words – and note, it is a countrywoman of yours who has emailed the alternative blogs. God bless America!

      June 28, 2015 at 10:40 pm
  • John Kearney

    The latest news is that a rich gay couple in Banbury are taking to law in order to force Christian churches to marry gays. The politicised judiciary will of course support them despite the Governments 3 lock system. We have to bitterly accept that if gay marriage is a human right then the christian community must acknowledge that right the same as everyone else. But the evil of gay marriage lies with its effect on the rights of children. The American Paediatric Society has just announced its dismay at the passing of the Same Sex Marriage Bill. Numerous studies have shown it says of the detrimental effect on children who are reared in Gay Marriages. The Left totally ignores these studies since they are goaded only by ideology. We have Professor Anderson of Winchester University who with his married partner had a surrogate child each. Professor Anderson boasts of his over 1,000 relationships before marriage and his hope to have a thousand more. Pink News recently asked the leader of the Green Party leader if she would agree with three person marriages. Meanwhile In America Polygamous groups are beginning to assert their claims. The trouble is that Governments redefine Marriage without actually defining what marriage is, in a way their legislation is illegal because of this. I am afraid just saying two people in love is not a definition. I am old and am thankful I will not see the kind of society the ideologists of the Left are building – but God help our children,

    June 28, 2015 at 7:40 pm
  • Christina

    I’m bringing a ? over from the priest thread, as it is off topic there.

    I believe in all the Marian apparitions relating to the times we are living in, including Quito, but I have a problem with Quito that may seem rather silly! Nevertheless here it is, and it concerns the familiar image. A while ago, in a thread about the Divine Mercy image, some bloggers referred to the image of Christ as Sr. Faustina described Him. I was relieved that I was not alone in my distaste for the image which I find unpleasantly effeminate, and so incapable of inspiring devotion in me. On the contrary the images of Our Lady produced from the descriptions of the visionaries of Lourdes and Fatima are beautiful and a real aid to prayer.

    The image of our Lady of Good Success is supposed to have been sculpted by the Archangels Michael, Raphael and Gabriel, and Our Lady herself is said to have entered it. My difficulty is that the image, very plump, double-chinned and tattily-dressed to put it mildly, looks rather too ugly to inspire devotion in me, and is quite unlike the images of Our Blessed Lady that mere earthly visionaries have seen and described for our devotion. If anyone can point out the error of my ways, I’ll be grateful, but I would discount any explanations based on ideas of ideal beauty, which Our Lady surely possesses, changing with time and place. This face is surely too fat and too hectically coloured to be seen as beautiful in any age, Meanwhile this image is a real hindrance to my devotion to Our Lady of Good Success.

    June 29, 2015 at 12:35 pm
    • editor


      I have long had the same thoughts myself about the image of OLGS. I mentioned it – some time ago – in an email to a friend who has a great devotion to OLGS and she, too, said she hadn’t warmed to it. So, since your comment on the subject mirrored my own thoughts, I find it very interesting, and reassuring, to read WF’s response. Of course now that he has likened me to Helen’s avatar, he can do and say no wrong, so let’s leave it at that 😀

      June 29, 2015 at 9:29 pm
  • westminsterfly


    I wouldn’t read too much into this. We all have different tastes in religious images. I once read that St Bernadette never much liked the statue of Our Lady of Lourdes in the grotto, she preferred the one which is now in the old jail at Lourdes. Also, some people don’t like the statues the design of which Our Lord dictated to Sister Lucia, of the Eucharistic Heart and the Immaculate Heart, both of which can be seen in the Coimbra convent in Portugal – and yet these were designed by Heaven (even if sculpted by men).

    Sometimes, photos can never do justice to the original. I have seen beautiful photos of Our Lady of Good Success, and some not good at all. I can’t say I’ve ever seen an image of Our Lady of Good Success where the statue is ‘tattily dressed’. I’m not particularly a fan of the ornate Spanish style myself, but I don’t have any problem with the appearance of the statue. I once heard that a priest who visited Quito said that the face on the statue was indescribably beautiful and that no picture could ever do it justice. I’ve also heard the same about the image of Our Lady on the tilma at Guadalupe.

    Also, bear in mind that the Child Jesus with Our Lady of Good Success is not the original statue of the Child, which was secreted somewhere in the convent at Quito during a time of persecution. It has been prophesied that it will be found again, in better times.

    As long as you are aware that Quito has had continuous ecclesiastical approval, and was declared an official Marian shrine (see the declaration in the magazine, I put the link in my comment on the other thread) I wouldn’t let the appearance of the image detract from the devotion, as Our Lady has said great graces will be given to those who honour Her under this title.

    June 29, 2015 at 4:14 pm
    • Christina

      WF, thank you very much for that detailed and interesting reply, especially for the mention of the priest who found the statue to be ‘indescribably beautiful’ which is what I would expect under the circumstances. I thought the image on the heading to the priest thread was the only one – I must try to find another.

      June 29, 2015 at 7:48 pm
  • Helen

    Can anyone tell me something about the NeoCats referred to as having a Lutheran Liturgy in the latest edition of The Flock. Apparently they were invited by bishop Mark Davies into his diocese of Shrewsbury. Who are they?

    June 29, 2015 at 7:18 pm
    • Helen

      WF, thank you for all that information on the Neocats.

      June 30, 2015 at 12:19 am
      • westminsterfly

        You’re welcome. Steer well clear of them. There are some absolutely shocking videos on YouTube of some of their outlandish ‘liturgies’. I’m very sorry to learn that Bishop Davies has invited them in, I think he might regret it.

        June 30, 2015 at 9:25 am
  • westminsterfly

    PS Helen, has anyone ever told you you’re a dead ringer for Editor CT?

    June 29, 2015 at 7:56 pm
    • editor


      Now you really HAVE shot up the pay scale!

      June 29, 2015 at 9:25 pm
      • westminsterfly

        LOL!!! But the cheque still hasn’t come. You must be the only employer who pays by the century.

        June 30, 2015 at 9:17 am
      • Margaret Mary

        “Pays by the century”

        LOL !

        June 30, 2015 at 11:26 am
    • Helen

      She’s my twin sister.

      June 30, 2015 at 12:14 am
  • gabriel syme

    Everyone – please sign and spread this petition:

    There is a proposal by the Spiritual Care Chaplaincy team at North Manchester General Hospital (Crumpsall) to close the Catholic Chapel of Saint Raphael in order to convert it into a Muslim prayer room. Worship spaces are going to be provided for Muslims, Jewish people and Protestant Christians, and even a “Quiet Room” for people of no faith at all! Yet it is proposed that Catholics should have no space of their own.

    St Raphael’s Chapel contains the Blessed Sacrament and Mass is celebrated weekly. It is well used and highly valued by patients, staff and visitors at the hospital.

    See this article, the link to the petition is therein:

    June 29, 2015 at 9:32 pm
    • Muffin Man Strikes Back

      Apparently the Muslims already have two rooms in the hospital, presumably one for men and one for women. They require a third room because the current mens’ prayer room does not have wash facilities.

      It is greedy and brazen. It should not be tolerated. They are taking the p***.

      June 30, 2015 at 6:19 pm
    • gabriel syme

      The petition was a success according to the person who started it:

      Thanks to all for their support (including members of the Muslim community) who signed the petition. We succeeded in persuading the Chaplaincy to change their mind. Hopefully, they can now make progress with providing a space for the Muslim community which suits everyone.

      Ged Murphy

      Almost 6,200 people signed the petition (including some Muslims – so fair play to them.)

      July 1, 2015 at 11:03 am
  • westminsterfly


    On March 19, 1939, Sister Lucia said the following regarding the First Saturday devotion of reparation:-

    “Whether the world has war or peace depends on the practice of this devotion (the First Saturdays), along with the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. This is why I desire its propagation so ardently, especially because this is also the will of our dear Mother in Heaven”.

    The next First Saturday is on July 4th. Please do the First Saturday devotion as requested by Our Lady of Fatima.

    July 1, 2015 at 9:18 am
  • gabriel syme

    The Evening Times reports that the Archdiocese of Glasgow is to get an Auxiliary Bishop, as a result of the infirmity of Archbishop Tartaglia.

    (I would thought it better for ++Tartaglia to resign and allow someone in good health to take over, but what do I know?).

    It also reports on the fact the Scottish Bishops have declared Scotland a “mission country” as they appeal to priests from the 3rd world to come to minister here.

    While I am glad that we as Catholics can “ship in” reinforcements for the clergy like this, I dont think its likely that Bishops elsewhere would let their brightest and best leave and so I am hesitant as to the quality of clergy this appeal might interest.

    What does it say about the Bishops own performance, that they say Scotland is “mission territory” after nearly 2,000 years of Christianity here?

    I would suggest it highlights the complacency and lack of vigour which has long characterised the Scottish Church.

    This is what happens when your only priority is the threadbare nonsense of ecumenism. When people are not taught the faith, its hardly surprising that few people wish to give their lives to God. When priests behave like buffoons, its hardly surprising that few men wish to become priests.

    July 2, 2015 at 4:00 pm
    • Athanasius

      Gabriel Syme,

      Maybe I being a little too conspiratorial when I say this, but it’s quite common for Pope Francis to appoint an auxiliary bishop to a diocese where the resident bishop remains publicly immovable on the Church’s teaching concerning marriage. Archbishop Tartaglia has made no secret of his opposition to those who attempted to alter Church teaching on marriage last year. I wouldn’t be surprised if the auxiliary is eventually appointed Archbishop of Glasgow! But then, may Archbishop Tartaglia is genuinely ill.

      July 2, 2015 at 11:51 pm
      • gabriel syme

        That is an interesting thought!

        ++Tartaglia is indeed in poor health, he recently suffered his second heart attack – thankfully he seems to be making a good recovery, but obviously someone who has suffered two heart attacks is not the best option for a role which may be stressful and demanding at times.

        As for the “mission country” part of the report above; perhaps I was a bit unkind with my analysis there, but I do think it shows that the Church is selling itself and Our Lord short, if it cant produce enough indigenous vocations to sustain itself.

        Even Cardinal O’Brien, prior to his downfall, could see it when he said (paraphrasing) “Scotland should be able to provide its own priests after >1,500 years of Christianity”.

        July 3, 2015 at 9:11 am
  • sixupma

    Can some erudite person inform me as to the prayers, if any, are mandated to be recited whilst the priest cleanses the sacramental vessels after the Communion.

    July 2, 2015 at 8:32 pm
  • sixupman

    Can some erudite person inform me of the prayers, if any, mandated to be recited during the cleansing of the sacramental vessels post Communion at Mass.

    July 2, 2015 at 8:36 pm
    • spudeater


      Pending a response from an erudite person, a Sunday Missal from the 1950s that is now in my possession has the following:

      While the priest rinses the chalice –

      Quod ore sumpsimus,Domine,pura mente capiamus: et de munere temporali fiat nobis remedium sempiternum.

      (What has passed our lips as food,O Lord, may we possess in purity of heart, that what is given us in time be our healing for eternity.)

      And then, whilst water is poured over his fingers:

      Corpus tuum,Domine,quod sumpsi,et Sanguis,quem potavi,adhæreat visceribus meis: et præsta; ut in me non remaneat scelerum macula,quem pura et sancta refecerunt sacramenta: Qui vivis et regnas in sæcula sæculorum.

      (May Thy Body, O Lord, which I have eaten, and Thy Blood, which I have drunk, cleave unto my very soul, and grant that no trace of sin be found in me, whom these pure and holy mysteries have renewed. Who lives and reigns world without end. Amen.)

      July 2, 2015 at 11:23 pm
    • Confitebor Domino

      In the traditional rite the following are said by the priest (in Latin):

      Grant, O Lord, that what we have taken with our mouth we may receive with a pure mind: and that from a temporal gift it may become for us an eternal remedy.

      May Thy Body, O Lord, which I have received and thy Blood which I have drunk cleave to my heart: and grant that no stain of sin may remain in me, whom Thy pure and holy sacraments have refreshed; Who livest and reignest world without end. Amen.

      In the Novus Ordo only the first prayer is said. The second was presumably considered much too Catholic!

      July 2, 2015 at 11:25 pm
      • sixupman

        Very red faced! Perhaps I should read the ‘red’ notes in my missal. The very prayers I religiously recite
        after my own reception of Communion, regardless I only receive under one kind.

        I raised the question as it related to the fastidiousness of my, now usurped, (parish) priest when he cleanses the vessels. He is banned from Celebrating Mass in (his) church and now says Mass in a convent chapel. The proximity twixt Celebrant and congregation tends to heighten the experience and although an NOM when cleansing the vessels he recites the prayers in Latin.

        But, as I say, Red faced indeed.

        July 3, 2015 at 8:29 am
      • editor


        No need to feel “red faced” about that – goodness knows how often I’ve made what I came to think of as daft mistakes. I wouldn’t have known the answer to your question off the top of my head, and since I presumed you referred to the novus ordo Mass, I couldn’t answer anyway – it’s so long since I’ve attended one (apart from a recent funeral when I wasn’t paying attention to such detail.)

        So, put a smile on that “red face” and think nothing of it. Thanks to your question and the responses to it, we all know the answer, so if it comes up again, we’re informed on the subject…

        July 3, 2015 at 9:35 am
  • Summa

    Okay sleuths, please highlight my general incompetence by finding a copy of the 1923 Rule of St. Dominic for Tertiaries.

    I have searched high and low but to no avail. the 1985 Rule is imbued by modernism.

    July 3, 2015 at 1:38 am
  • Muffin Man Strikes Back

    Why is there more antipathy towards the traditional Mass is Scotland, compared to England? This is something that has always puzzled me. In England provisions for the traditional Mass are hugely more generous, and in general, it is more socially acceptable among Catholics there to be traditionally inclined. Even the Novus Ordo in England, especially in the oratories (there are four), is vastly more high-church that anything you could find in Scotland, except perhaps Pluscarden (but even then Pluscarden has nothing on the oratories).

    From my experience, I know there is a deep-seated suspicion towards the traditional Mass and those who attend it in Scotland. This is the same in England, among many people, but it is not at the near universal level as it is in Scotland. In the Archdiocese of Westminster alone there are more diocesan traditional Masses than in the whole of Scotland. The Latin Mass Society is relatively strong and thriving compared to Scotland’s abysmal and non-existent ‘Una Voce’.

    England even has a couple of diocesan bishops who are open to the traditional Mass, for example +Mark of Shrewsbury, who founded an ICKSP shrine Church in Mersyside. Not one of Scotland’s bishops has done anything like this, not even +Keenan of Paisley who is reportedly our most conservative prelate. There is no traditional Mass there so far, even though it has been requested many times, as it was when he was chaplain at the University of Glasgow.

    How come Scotland never got the ‘indult’ back in the day like England did? Was it the influence of Irish Jansenism, which disfavours high liturgy? Are the Scots generally more philistine? In England, among young people, anyone who’s anyone is into the traditional Mass. In Scotland however, it is Medjugorje and the Charismatic movement that holds the most esteem among our most fervent young Catholics, like at Craig Lodge for example.

    July 3, 2015 at 6:08 pm
    • Muffin Man Strikes Back

      From this summer’s edition of LMS Mass of Ages Magazine:

      In this issue we have a fascinating interview with Bishop Mark O’Toole of Plymouth, the former Rector of Allen Hall seminary and Private Secretary to Cormac Cardinal Murphy-O’Connor. Bishop O’Toole tells us he is not only ‘open’ to learning to celebrate Mass in the Extraordinary Form, he is actively working to ensure good provision of the Traditional Rite in his diocese.

      That’s at least two English bishops who are on board, to some extent at least. Scotland has not one. Not one!

      July 3, 2015 at 6:15 pm
      • editor


        The key reason why Una Voce has not had any impact on the Scots bishops is because they have been so pitiably grateful for any crumbs that fall from the episcopal table. They have never demanded the right which Catholics have to be provided with the TLM and accept weekday provision only.

        That and the fact that their own Chairman or whatever his title is, fulfils his Sunday obligation at the novus ordo in the House of Heresy, St Aloysius Jesuit church in Garnethill, where he sings in the choir, would you believe, really doesn’t lend an air of urgency to the whole business. I mean, imagine a couple of elderly ladies travelling for miles to get to the Sunday TLM in Sacred Heart Glasgow, only to find that the chief cook and bottle-washer who organises it, is off to the novus ordo in town – truly, you couldn’t make it up.

        Then, when Una Voce do arrange a Mass for a feast day, for example, as they did recently for the Feast of SS Peter & Paul, they organise a sung Mass/High Mass, which few, if any can follow.

        Seldom does Una Voce arrange a simple low Mass which is all most people want, especially at this time in our history when people are either being re-introduced to the TLM or are attending for the first time. Making people run before they can walk is the analogy which springs to mind.

        I had a telephone call from someone who attended a recent UV sung Mass and he was dismayed. He was totally distracted by the constant activity in the sanctuary, the talking, all the priests apparently, new to the Mass, getting to know it and therefore, a low Mass was the obvious choice. Unless, of course, you think the music is the thing…

        The elderly man who rang me, regularly attends the TLM and loves it, but rang in dismay, saying he was sorry he’d gone along and said that another man remarked on the way out that he found the whole thing impossible to follow.

        So, all and any efforts to get the Scots clergy to embrace and learn the old Mass, should body-swerve Una Voce. Priests who wish to learn the old Mass are invited to contact the SSPX priests in Carluke (Google SSPX Great Britain district and select “Mass Centres” then scroll to Carluke) and they will do their best to arrange to help you, in strictest confidence. Honestly, that, and perhaps one of the LMS courses, if they still run, in England, should suffice – I strongly recommend that no priest should seek help to learn the ancient Mass from Una Voce.

        July 3, 2015 at 9:48 pm
      • Muffin Man Strikes Back

        They don’t even have a website. He ought to be honest and say that Una Voce doesn’t exist any more, because it doesn’t. That would be the honest thing to do.

        July 3, 2015 at 9:55 pm
    • sixupman

      In the Salford Diocese there exists one Sunday TLM, plus one SSPX TLM, one Wednesday evening and one Saturday TLM morning [close-by SSPX chapel. The Diocesan TLM, origiinally at The Holy Name and now at St. Chads [Oratory] was allowed in sufferance and to save The Holy Name being sold, by Jesuits, to Manchester University or developers. There used to be another on the far north of the diocesan boundary.

      July 3, 2015 at 6:31 pm
      • Muffin Man Strikes Back

        Indeed. The priests at St Chad’s love the traditional Mass, and want to say it, and say it competently. That is more than can be said for Glasgow. Also, Saint Chad’s is in a central location, which is more than can be said for, erm Bridgeton.

        July 3, 2015 at 9:58 pm
    • Alex F

      This is an interesting question that I have often thought about. Perhaps Irish “Jansenism” had something to do with it. I don’t know, but I do think that class may have been a factor. The overwhelming majority of Catholics in Scotland were descended from Irish and Highland peasants, with just a handful of middle class “Aloysians” making up the numbers. The situation in England was very different, with a large proportion of Irish immigrants, but with many descendants of the Recusants and High Anglicans who crossed the Tiber during the days of the Oxford Movement.

      Another factor may have been that the Scottish personality is less impressed by ceremony of the High Church, “bells and smells” so to speak! Perhaps that’s why Scotland chose Presbyterianism at the Reformation with its dreary conformity, while England, after several bouts of flip-flopping, went with Episcopalianism which retained many of the outward trappings of the pre-Reform religion. With the introduction of the Novus Ordo, perhaps people were less emotionally attached to the ceremony of the Roman Rite than many people in England.

      It could also be just down to the difference in population size. The population of England is far larger and there are far more Catholics.

      July 3, 2015 at 7:28 pm
      • editor

        Alex F,

        I’m a little surprised that you accept the premise of Muffin Man’s conclusion about the lack of enthusiasm in the modern Church for the ancient Mass.

        It’s got absolutely NOTHING to do with Jansenism, Irish or otherwise, nothing to do with “class” or anything else, and everything to do with the apostate state of the bishops and much of the clergy since THAT Council. Nothing else.

        After all, converts poured into the Catholic Church prior to Vatican II and the Mass was, very often, THE attraction. I’m thinking, for example, of the famous former minister of the Church of Scotland who became Bishop Henry Graham (18th century). I remember quoting his words on the Mass in an edition of our newsletter, but haven’t time to search it out. Take it from me that he heaped praise on the ancient Mass and more or less said there was nothing this side of Heaven quite like it.

        Then, of course, our Scots saint and martyr, another convert, John Ogilvie SJ gave his life’s blood in defence of the Mass. Scots, like Catholics the world over, loved the Mass that nourished the saints and martyrs until the Modernists took it away from us in the 20th century, part of the fall-out from the Second Vatican Catastrophe, as one of our Scots journalists calls it.

        I am totally amazed that, even at this stage in the apostasy, generally referred to as “the crisis in the Church” (even by Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI) we still have readers asking “I wonder what the reason is for the “antipathy” towards the old rite Mass in Scotland.”

        Taking a walk through the reports in our newsletter alone, with page after page reporting the manifest loss of Catholic Faith in the hierarchy and clergy, should be sufficient to answer the question. Jansenism? You kidding? These bishops and priests are not remotely Jansenist in any way. They, like most cancers, are “progressives” who have undermined and sabotaged the Faith and the Sacred Liturgy to the point where they absolutely hate both.

        That’s why they are silently complicit in the spread of sexual immorality and full of praise for every “ism” except Catholicism.

        Nothing to do with Jansenism or difference in population size between England and Scotland. There are a minority of bishops (two I think) in England who are certainly doing something to permit the Traditional Mass, and that’s something, but nobody, north or south of the border, is any real threat to the Modernist bullies running the show. And, I repeat, that’s because of the apostasy – the loss of divine and Catholic Faith – widespread within the hierarchy and clergy today. They don’t believe it all. Simple, really.

        Our Lady has warned us, as far back as Quito, Ecuador in the 17th century, then at Fatima (Portugal) in the early 20th century and later, 1973, at Akita (Japan) that this crisis was a-coming. So, we’ve absolutely no excuse to be wondering why there is a crisis, why there is such a hatred of the ancient Mass, at this stage in the game. No excuse at all.

        Sorry, lads, but at the risk of sounding school-marmish I have to exhort you to… think, think, think. And when you’ve done that, think again!

        July 3, 2015 at 9:23 pm
      • Alex F

        I don’t quite understand what your point is. Muffin Man asked why there appeared to be more of a demand for the pre-Vatican II liturgy in England than in Scotland. Perhaps I’m wrong, but it does seem to be the case.

        If we take it from the premise that the clergy in Scotland were no more and no less Modernist than anywhere else, it seems odd that there would be more of a demand for the Latin Mass in England than in Scotland, and this was the case from quite early on as is evidenced by the English Indult. So why is that?

        Is it something unique to England or the other countries in These Islands? There was no Counter Reformation in Scotland like there was in England, and for the most part the Protestant Reformers got things their own way with few exceptions. In England there was far more resistance during the Reformation, with many examples of people taking a stand against Protestantism. Thank God for pig-headed Anglo-Saxons! 😁

        July 3, 2015 at 10:45 pm
      • editor


        My point is that Muffin Man went back in history, (see his reference to “Irish Jansenism“) in order to explain the prevailing hostility to the ancient Mass. That doesn’t make sense, in my humble opinion.

        Yes, there were notable differences at the time of the Reformation – with England apparently much more strongly Catholic than Scotland – that is true; it was Henry VIII’s claim that he wished to be head of the Church IN (not OF) England that caused the English to sleep-walk into Protestantism, while the whole tone and ethos of the Reformation in Scotland differed considerably. But that has nothing to do with the Modernism now strangling Catholicism.

        This crisis is of diabolical origin and cannot be explained away by events in the 16th century. The Catholic Church was strong and impressive until Vatican II, and even the cheeky claims of Presbyterians that it was John Knox who gave us education for all is easily refuted by the well documented research of historians of integrity that in pre-reformation Scotland it was the Catholic Church which served communities in every respect, including education.

        As for why the Catholics in England were quick to move to reject the new Mass and demand the TLM at the dawn of Vatican II – well, more recent history explains that. There were notable English Catholics who rejected the new Mass right away; read, e.g. the correspondence between the author Evelyn Waugh and Cardinal Heenan where the former expressed his dismay at the way the new Mass had been imposed and his experience of it; the Cardinal’s replies are rivetting. You can read these letters, available in a small book entitled A Bitter Trial

        Then, the famous “Agatha Christi” letter to Pope Paul VI, presented to him in person, I think I’m correct in saying, by Cardinal Heenan, undoubtedly helped secure the indult permitting the continuation of the TLM south of the border.

        Perhaps that letter, signed by prominent people, including the author Agatha Christi, is why Muffin Man refers to “class” influence. I prefer to think of it as the simple truth that there was more leadership in England, that leading Catholics acted quickly to make sure they could continue to enjoy the traditional Mass, while in Scotland, as per usual, passivity ruled the day. “If it’s good enough for the Pope” the Scots will say “it’s good enough for me…” So, I do agree with you, Alex, that we should thank God for pig-headed Anglo-Saxons! 😁

        I could be wrong, of course, in everything I’ve written above, bound to happen some day, and if I’m misreading what Muffin Man and your good self are actually meaning to say, then my humbug apologies but it’s been one of them there days and I’m just about ready to hit the hay – I’ve decided to give the pubs and clubs a miss this weekend 😀

        July 3, 2015 at 11:53 pm
      • Helen

        Hear hear, editor, hear, hear and again!

        July 3, 2015 at 11:31 pm
      • editor


        If only I could. Hear, hear, hear… I mean.

        Deaf as the proverbial doorpost !

        July 4, 2015 at 12:05 am
      • Muffin Man Strikes Back

        That makes sense, it ties in with this recent article from the Catholic Herald, about England’s Recusants and the influence they have had.

        July 3, 2015 at 9:59 pm
    • editor


      I should have pointed out that your reference to “Irish Jansenism” is somewhat off the mark, to put it mildly. Read this excellent rebuttal of the “silly accusation” that Ireland was influenced by Jansenism…

      July 3, 2015 at 11:27 pm
      • Alex F

        I understood the reference to Irish Jansenism as hyperbole. Of course, the Irish were not actual Jansenists. It’s a bit like calling someone a “fascist” even when they don’t have membership of any right-wing Italian political parties.

        July 3, 2015 at 11:41 pm
      • editor


        I know what you mean. I’ve been called a Fascist more times than I care to remember, yet I haven’t renewed my subscription this year… 😀

        July 4, 2015 at 12:06 am
  • Summa

    Please spread and sign the petition to the US Congress against the destruction of marriage. You can sign it from any country.

    Tell Congress: Pass a Constitutional Amendment defending traditional marriage (sign the petition)

    Everyone everywhere needs to stand up. It is our duty.

    July 4, 2015 at 12:30 am
    • editor


      Have just signed and will post on our website homepage later today. Many thanks for this alert.

      July 4, 2015 at 9:43 am
  • Summa

    What’s the world coming to?

    I have just been accused of… wait for it… being unChristian when I made a comment to someone in Ireland that I pitied them for voting for unnatural marriage.

    Irony abounds.

    July 4, 2015 at 1:34 am
    • editor


      “Irony”…. “diabolical disorientation”…. you got it. Completely mad.

      July 4, 2015 at 1:39 pm
  • Therese

    Most people don’t have a clue about what it means to be Christian. They equate it with being “nice”, tolerating the intolerable, and never judging anything as “evil”, Racism, sexism and paedophilia are, I think, the only exceptions to this rule, although I think the next bad boy may be “climate change deniers”.

    July 4, 2015 at 9:11 am
    • editor


      As ever, spot on. Climate change deniers are now denounced by the Pope among others! Truly, you couldn’t make it up.

      July 4, 2015 at 1:38 pm
  • Cara

    Hello everyone. I’m a lapsed Catholic who feels a great desire to return to the Church. However, I am keen to attend a parish which is genuinely Catholic, with a good and holy priest. Where would be recommended within the Archdiocese of Glasgow? I would also consider travelling to North Lanarkshire (Diocese of Motherwell). Thank you very much for any help you can give.

    July 4, 2015 at 6:41 pm
    • editor

      Hello Cara, and welcome to our humble blog.

      If you are a lapsed Catholic, you may not be fully aware of the terrible extent of the crisis in the Church. So bad, that the Scots bishops have just admitted their failure to keep the Faith and are now saying that Scotland is mission territory. Priests are being drafted in from (to quote the Archbishop of Glasgow) “wherever.” That’s how bad things are right across this nation.

      Given that this crisis was foretold by Our Lady (obviously, sent by God) as far back as the 17th century and later in the 20th century (Fatima and Akita in Japan) with notice that God would supply a “lifeboat” (my word, not Our Lady’s!) to see us through the crisis which is largely caused by the loss of Faith among priests and bishops, my recommendation is that you attend Mass where I, and several of the bloggers here attend, in a chapel of that “lifeboat” in Glasgow city centre!

      That is, the chapel of the Society of St Pius X in Glasgow (SSPX) – Renfrew Street – details here

      If you are driving, and decide to come along, two things: firstly, for your first week I suggest parking in Cambridge Street car park (£2.50 all day Sundays) and just walk up Renfrew Street and (2) you come into the tearoom afterwards and join us for a chat. You will be made most welcome. If we don’t pounce on you first, which we try to do when we spot a newcomer, just ask for “the Catholic Truth people” and you will be pointed in our direction right away.

      Pay no attention to anyone to whom you may mention this, who may try to tell you that the SSPX is a “breakaway” group or “schismatic” – that’s either a blatant lie from someone who knows better, or a remark made out of ignorance. It’s not the position of the Church authorities in Rome. It’s easier to explain everything in person, than write it all down, so I hope you will come along, tomorrow, if possible.

      The crisis in the Church is intimately connected with the introduction of the new Mass, created for the express purpose of removing all Catholic prayers that might offend Protestants. This is highly offensive to God and no wonder that we have been witnessing scandal after scandal and the decline of the Church in our times, in a way never before experienced in history. So, if you’d like to attend the Mass which is known to please God and to benefit from all the graces thereof, please come along tomorrow (9.45.) and we will be delighted to meet you.

      July 4, 2015 at 7:12 pm
      • spudeater


        July 5, 2015 at 9:05 pm
      • editor


        July 5, 2015 at 9:10 pm
      • spudeater


        The suspense is killing me. I may be speaking for a few of the contributors on here (there’s a first time for everything, I suppose) when I say, without asking you to break any confidences, did Cara turn up??

        Please put me out of my misery (and that’s just me using a figure of speech by the way).

        July 5, 2015 at 9:13 pm
      • editor


        If Cara turned up, he/she did not go into the tearoom after Mass, so I’m guessing he/she didn’t turn up.

        Maybe next week?

        July 5, 2015 at 11:14 pm
    • Helen

      Hi Cara,

      I’ve been in your position too. welcome back! I have to say that you would be wasting your time going to the average parish where the @Faith has been truly lost . I would recommend St. Andrew’s on Renfrew Street in Glasgow or St. Margaret and the St. Leonard’s on Leonard’s Street in Edinburgh. Seriously, Cara, you would be wasting your spiritual energy going anywhere else.

      July 4, 2015 at 8:40 pm
    • Summa

      Dear Cara
      Your post resonated with me so I hope you don’t mind me throwing in my tuppence worth.
      I too was a lapsed Catholic. I stopped beating myself up about it as I have come to realise that the post conciliar Catholic Church lays the ground lukewarmness and indifference. I fell away accordingly.

      Then I read St Thomas Aquinas and with the guidance of the Holy Ghost I came back to the Faith: to the Novus Ordo.

      I lasted 6 weeks. I was horrified at what i was seeing.

      I found a Chapel of the Society of Saint Pius X and my faith and love of God has grown enormously.

      Whatever you do, stay a reader and contributor to this wonderful blog. They do a fantastic job in promoting the Truth. Truly Christ’s Apostles.

      July 5, 2015 at 4:56 am
      • Therese

        Summa and Helen

        Your two posts have delighted me – I had no idea you were both “returnees”, you are so educated and firm in the Faith. One of the things that has so worried and depressed me over the last 40 years is the number of people who have been deprived of the Faith, and I wondered how anyone would find their way home again, when to all intents and purposes that home was occupied by new tenants. Not for the first time, I should have had more trust in God; He found His stolen sheep, and Cara is His latest acquisition. Welcome home Cara.

        July 5, 2015 at 2:28 pm
  • crofterlady

    Cara, it’s lovely to hear from a person who is seeking the truth. So very few people do these days. Maybe they are so caught up with our technological society that they have stopped thinking. Anyway, I would definitely recommend St. Andrew’s in Renfrew St., Glasgow as a good starting point. Mass is at 9.45 am. If you need any phone numbers or email addresses of good Catholics, let me know

    July 4, 2015 at 10:58 pm
  • Summa July 5, 2015 at 4:58 am
  • Benedict Carter

    Given the overall catastrophic state of the Catholic Church now (I was told by a priest friend last night, a member of French Order who had just returned from a seminar on migrants, that there were more baptisms in Hong Kong last year than in the whole of France), it seems to me easy to understand why there is a crisis in marriage and the family.

    An example: I am in Addis Ababa at the moment. I found myself a Catholic Church and arrived this morning 20 minutes before the end of the 9 AM Mass in Amharic — the Mass seemed very different from the Latin Rite, it was beautiful and glorious. The Ethiopian Catholic Church must be one of the Eastern Catholic Rites I am guessing. The reverence on display was sincere, magnificent and moving.

    Then came the 10 AM Mass in English. The opposite. Ham-fisted gestures, lay people swarming all over the Sanctuary, a “liturgical ministerial” position I have never heard off before (“the Commentator” *, some Indian bloke); the most banal quasi-chant written by some unknown musical ignoramus; a total lack of depth, of maturity, the palpable boredom of the congregation (you could feel it); no genuflection by the priest at the Consecration; and on an on. Well, at least I didn’t walk out as I usually do when I make the gross error of assisting at a Novus Ordo Mess, but I left with the profound thought that “Thiss is not Catholic at all, it’s an ersatz Mass deliberately designed against the Catholic Faith”.

    If the Mass has been destroyed by false theology, are you surprised by Francis, Kasper et al? I’m not.

    * I was of course agog to see what “the Commentator” would come out with. Would it be, “And the priest is moving up on the rails towards the Altar, but one of the altar boys has sneaked in ahead of him, there’s two furlongs to go in this Novus Ordo Steeplechase Ceramic Cup, the priest is using his whip, he’s catching up fast but no! The altar boy by wins by a head”.

    In fact not. The said gentleman popped up at the ambo once or twice with announcements and delivered the usual utterly dreary “Bidding Prayers” to an utterly dejected Congregation. Why anyone turns up to this rubbish I can only wonder.

    July 5, 2015 at 10:59 am
    • Frankier


      As Basil Fawlty would say. “Was everything else OK”?

      July 5, 2015 at 12:29 pm
      • bencjcarter

        The priest was not at all happy with me. After Mass, he made a beeline for me to find out who I was (not many whites in the congregation of course). I grinned and told him I had two questions. The conversation went thus:

        “Why didn’t you genuflect at the Consecration Father? I know our beloved HF doesn’t but that’s no reason for you to ignore the rubrics”.

        “Well, we are all learning, so I have learned something today” (strangled attempt at a smile).

        “I’d have thought you’d have learned that in the seminary or even earlier. Second question: why has the parish got a ‘Medjugore Rosary Group’ when that sham has been condemned by the local Bishop, who is the canonical authority on apparitions? Why haven’t you got a ‘Fatima Rosary Group’, for instance?”

        “Well, we should all pray ….”

        “Pray what, Father? That Medjugore isn’t a demonic effort to discredit Fatima and that ‘our Lady’ didn’t actually teach heresy there?”

        Indian priest now seriously annoyed: “Maybe we should leave that to the HF and we should pray that …”.

        Snort of total derision from yours truly and priest moves off to friendlier climes.

        You see how bad it’s got? I just cannot control myself with these Modernist oafs anymore. Buffoons and illiterates, the lot of them. And I have to say, whether it’s him with his “We should all pray …” non-answer, or whether it’s the Capuchin Indian priests in Qatar, the Indian clergy I have come across are all utterly and hideously Vatican II-ized, more than others even.

        July 5, 2015 at 12:41 pm
      • editor


        Makes sense. The Scots bishops announce that the Church here is now mission territory (as we’ve been saying for years – March 1999 to be precise) and who do they rope in to “missionise” us? Indian clergy who, according to your experience are all “Vatican II message”

        Makes perfect sense. .

        July 5, 2015 at 4:02 pm
      • Frankier

        And here’s me looking forward to them Indian priests coming to the Galloway Diocese.

        I hope they are not a bunch of cowboys.

        July 5, 2015 at 4:47 pm
      • spudeater


        C’mon! Everyone knows that the Indians didn’t get along with the cowboys (with the exception of Tonto, of course). You may have been watching too many post-conciliar Westerns? Having said that, I must confess that I myself am after a copy of ‘The Good, the (not really that) Bad and the Smugly (complacent).’

        July 5, 2015 at 5:16 pm
      • editor


        Hilarious! That really did make me laugh out loud, as they say these days!

        July 5, 2015 at 4:00 pm
  • bencjcarter

    May I ask the Editor a serious question which she may be able to answer given her theological training?

    If the Holy Father is right with all this 1970’s rubbish about “walking together” everywhere and with everyone, why is he so overweight?

    July 5, 2015 at 11:03 am
    • editor


      Drat! That was the day I was off sick. I remember being told that they covered that question about “walking together” and I believe there was a sound Karl Rahner theory about the link between “walking together” and “weight loss”.

      I believe I borrowed another student’s notes but for the life of me, I can’t find them.

      Will keep searching though… 😀

      July 5, 2015 at 4:04 pm
      • bencjcarter

        😀 😀 😀

        July 5, 2015 at 4:35 pm
    • Muffin Man Strikes Back

      That’s a bit judgemental of you. We must assume it is glandular.

      July 5, 2015 at 10:54 pm
  • Muffin Man Strikes Back

    The following link is a blog from the Catholic Herald, which as we all know, is not particularly Catholic.

    I vomited profusely (figuratively) upon reading this line:

    These are men like Iain Duncan Smith, the devoutly Catholic architect of the Government’s welfare reforms

    I wish people wouldn’t make judgements like this. We cannot read people’s souls. How does Will Heaven from the Catholic Herald know that Iain Duncan Smith is devoutly Catholic? Surely this is known to God alone? He has a pro-life voting record. So what? This is to be expected of all Catholic statesmen. To praise someone for not supporting murder is ludicrous.

    There are some devout Catholics who will have suffered because of Iain Duncan Smith’s welfare reforms and they will likely be annoyed to read this.

    Let us consider the Conservative Party’s track record. It was them after all who passed homosexual Marriage and other have heretofore failed to protect the most vulnerable in society, i.e. the unborn.

    A Catholic newspaper should stay out of politics. Unlike the editorial of team of the Catholic Herald, we aren’t all Conservative Party supporters. We are however no less devout than Ian Duncan Smith.

    July 6, 2015 at 10:05 pm
    • spudeater


      I have my doubts about Iain Duncan Smith’s Catholic credentials – he voted IN FAVOUR of the Same Sex ‘Marriage’ Bill. If that’s ‘devout’, then “Give me a pint of your lukewarmest, please,Bartender.” Then again, maybe he just walked through the wrong lobby……..?

      July 7, 2015 at 9:27 pm
      • editor


        Don’t harbour doubts about Iain Duncan Smith’s Catholic credentials – he hasn’t any.

        The man is a two-faced (at least) scoundrel who did a massive about-turn on same-sex marriage, for un-disguisedly career reasons. He makes Pontius Pilate look like the good guy.

        As for his alleged concern for the poor – yeah right.

        July 7, 2015 at 11:34 pm
      • Helen

        Really?!!! I won’t be voting for him then. I’ll alert all my family about this. Thank you, editor.

        July 7, 2015 at 11:59 pm
      • editor


        I’ve been trying to remember the name of the young female Catholic politician who initially planned to vote FOR same sex marriage, said so on her website, and then changed her mind, saying her (Catholic) conscience wouldn’t let her.

        Duncan-Smith was scathing in his criticism of her, and instead of keeping his blankety blank faithless mouth shut, said something to the effect that he just couldn’t understand her problem.

        I had been pre-disposed to be sympathetic to him, since a friend told me some years ago that she had a meeting with him about her concerns regarding sex-education in schools and he appeared to share her concerns. Now, I would cross the street to avoid him.

        July 8, 2015 at 12:23 am
      • spudeater


        The ‘doubts’ I have about IDS are the same as the ‘doubts’ that I have about Celtic ever winning the European Cup again! I think the female politician is Sarah Teather – but even with her, I recall her saying something on Question Time a couple of years ago about the homosexualist lobby that I strongly disagreed with. As you yourself have said so diffidently(!) on previous occasions – scoundrels one and all.

        July 8, 2015 at 7:04 am
      • Muffin Man Strikes Back

        I didn’t know that, shocking.

        I can’t understand how they can call themselves ‘conservative’. It is amazing how many pro-gay and anti-life MPs they have.

        The only thing that they wish to conserve is neo-liberal economic dogma, which has only been around since about the 1970s.

        So they aren’t even remotely conservative, not even in the Burkean sense.

        The only true conservatives are Catholics, and the only true ‘liberals’ are Catholics, for as with the NP scheme, our ‘liberal democracy’ is positively totalitarian, yet we have liberty in Christ.

        July 8, 2015 at 2:25 am
      • editor


        “neo-liberal economic dogma”? You kidding? They have the same economic Tory dogma that they’ve always had; keep the poor, poor and make the rich richer. And the useful idiots up here, trying to pretend they’re a notch above their working class roots, will call that “tribal politics.” Sure is, when you’re one of the poor getting poorer. Trouble is, now all the parties preach the Tory dogma, more or less, such is their unconscionable desperation for power, at any (literally) cost.

        Anyway, we try to avoid party politics here, so let’s leave it at that. Yes, I get the last word! Unless we take your closing paragraph as the last word – in which case, well said!

        Sarah Teather – yes, that’s her name. She never did reply to my email congratulating her on her courage in publicly reversing her decision to vote for same sex “marriage”.

        July 8, 2015 at 9:29 am
  • crofterlady

    I just heard that the chancellor is going to limit some family benefit or other to the first 2 children. Nasty, evil lot!

    July 8, 2015 at 5:09 pm
    • Nicky


      Exactly. It’s unbelievable that they’re so brazen about it. Next time I hear politicians talking about welcoming migrants from other parts of the world, saying how they enrich the population, I’ll think of this. Welcome them in any number from outside, but keep the local population down. It really is evil.

      July 8, 2015 at 7:21 pm
    • Benedict Carter

      I write not as a Tory (I am a natural conservative, but not one with a big “C”), but as a neutral pragmatist.

      The country is broke. Have you any idea of how much money we are borrowing merely to finance the obligations that come up for re-payment? Few do, but it is truly frightening. If the Chancellor really wanted to balance the books, the Welfare State would be a thing of the past altogether. The same os true of virtually every other western State.

      Here’s the thing: since the Second World War, all western governments have kept Communism at bay (this was the real reason for western social democracy) by making sure the masses didn’t have a reason to adopt violent revolution a la the Russians, Chinese and others. It worked. But it has become completely unsustainable and it WILL finish at some point. So today’s new rule which you allude to is simply a pragmatic decision to limit the welfare to a bog standard modern family unit size.

      What happens when the whole thing comes off the rails – and it will happen, the Welfare State as we have known it is very definitely doomed – I dread to think.

      July 8, 2015 at 8:49 pm
      • bencjcarter

        Nicky’s point about immigration of course is right. The flood of foreigners we have suffered to enter the country, the majority living on welfare, has strained the system beyond breaking point. And so the indigenous Briton suffers.

        July 8, 2015 at 8:53 pm
      • Nicky


        The country isn’t broke because of the welfare state but because of the greed and incompetence of the business people, notably the bankers. This evil government want to dupe us into blaming the poor, hence the limit to two children – and there are Catholic clowns who will fall for the ruse, and say “oh well, yes, we have to have cuts” (just not for the millionaires, LOL!)

        July 8, 2015 at 9:22 pm
      • Benedict Carter

        As one who works in the financial sector (though not for one of those dratted investment banks) I have to disagree very strongly, but let’s leave it there is maybe best.

        July 9, 2015 at 8:17 am
      • Alex F

        The indigenous Briton has done a good job of flooding out indigenous peoples on every continent in the world. The country is not broke because of people who have just arrived here, and we’ll still find the money to wage pointless and illegal wars all over the place and keep our national virility symbol stationed on the Clyde.

        The majority of immigrants are working and the health and social care system would be in a much worse state than they are now if it weren’t for immigrants.

        Why do people blame all the country’s problems on the people at the bottom of society, and those with the least influence- foreigners and the poor?

        July 8, 2015 at 9:59 pm
      • Nicky

        Alex F,

        Don’t get me wrong – I don’t blame immigrants for the state of the country, I just meant that the politicians are hypocritical in using the cuts to get us into the idea that two children are enough. They’ll welcome no end of people from abroad, but don’t have any more than two children. That’s all I meant. I don’t blame foreigners of the poor, I blame the greed of the people at the top. Osborne won’t be worrying about where his next meal is coming from, unlike some of us.

        July 8, 2015 at 10:10 pm
      • bencjcarter

        It’s not a question of blame – it’s rather a question of a whole system that into the middle or longer term is utterly unsustainable (made much worse by the killing of our future employers and employees in the womb).

        It doesn’t matter who it is: Conservative, Labour, Lib Dumbs. They all tinker with a system this way or that. What you do not grasp maybe Alex is that the very system itself has broken the nation’s finances utterly.

        After ten years of the SNP’s socialism, you might remember this thread.

        July 9, 2015 at 8:21 am
      • editor

        And maybe after this post, you will remember my “request” not to talk about party politics. Give it a rest.

        July 9, 2015 at 10:15 am
      • Benedict Carter

        She’s sharp, that Editor. Yes, M’am.

        Sigh. At least on this blog I will learn some humility …. .

        July 9, 2015 at 2:00 pm
      • editor

        That’s the spirit, Benedict. Although, not so sure about the humility bit – I used to think the same thing and look at me? 😯

        July 9, 2015 at 3:01 pm
    • Alex F

      Limiting child benefit and tax credit to two children sends out the signal that the government believes family size should be limited. A fairer way, but far less popular, and not one I am endorsing, would have been to reduce child benefit across the board for all children. Capping it to two implies that families are doing something wrong by not thwarting the natural end of marriage.

      In other areas, this budget wasn’t just as bad as I was bracing myself for from a Tory Chancellor with a majority government.

      July 8, 2015 at 10:08 pm
      • Nicky


        I don’t agree that they should be taking from the poor at all. There’s plenty other things they could do to save money. Robbing the poor to please the rich isn’t one of them.

        July 8, 2015 at 10:11 pm
      • Nicky

        I think students from poor homes and people waiting five years for their pay to reach £9 in the so called “living wage” might think it’s every bit as bad as they were expecting.

        July 8, 2015 at 10:12 pm
      • editor


        Would you leave it there, please. We do not encourage party politics here, and since the Conservatives did give us fair warning that their Budget would focus on welfare cuts, there’s really no excuse for anyone, certainly from south of the border, Catholics included, to complain. Now, I’m not accusing you of hailing from south of the border and thus securing a majority for this Government, so don’t let’s go down THAT road so to speak! However, past experience is that when we discuss party politics and the welfare system, things turn nasty, so let it rest there, please and thank you, very much.

        Today, I received the Fatima Center e-newsletter in which they are encouraging as many as possible to attend their conference (with permit to march) in Washington DC during the Pope’s visit to the USA.

        It would be great to be able to participate – so if anyone can manage, I’d encourage them to book asap. They are keen to know numbers, like yesterday! Below is the text of the e-newsletter:


        The Pope is coming to Washington, D.C.! So is Our Lady’s Apostolate. We will be there – along with you, we hope – for this historic event from Sept. 22-24.
        September may seem a long time from now, however for planning purposes the deadline for our conference arrangements is fast approaching. We need to know how many rooms to book, how many meals to arrange, how many to expect at the talks.

        So please, let us know now if you intend to come. And PLEASE DO COME! We need a show of force in D.C. We have to demonstrate to the Pope, the Congress, the world’s media who will be gathered, that Fatima is the answer – THE ONLY ANSWER – to the violence that is engulfing the world. There will be no peace without obedience to the Queen of Peace!

        We will be taking this message to the steps of the Capitol Building. We have a permit to march. Will you hang back, or will you seize this opportunity to stand with Our Lady’s Apostolate in offering the world the only help it can receive at this time?

        It’s either world peace, or “the annihilation of nations.” We have a choice. And you have a chance to make a difference. This DC event was very important to our dear Father Gruner. Let’s stand together! We await your answer to this call to action. Please visit to view the conference schedule. END.

        July 8, 2015 at 10:27 pm
      • Petrus

        I will go if Catholic Truth pay!

        July 8, 2015 at 11:11 pm
      • editor

        We’ll pay if you promise to stay there!

        July 9, 2015 at 10:15 am
  • Summa July 8, 2015 at 11:38 pm
    • editor

      Am I imaging things or are those girls IN the popemobile with the Pope?

      July 9, 2015 at 10:16 am
  • bencjcarter

    After being slapped down by mum (aka our dear Editor) today I was laughing to myself, thinking “I once sailed round the top of Scotland, but have never, ever set foot n Scottish soil”. I’m not sure if I have the courage to do so — are all the Scots so forthright? 😀 😀 😀

    July 9, 2015 at 6:49 pm
    • spudeater


      I’d wager that if you ever met Ed., she’d prove you wrong by giving you a fond Glasgow Kiss.

      (And you are now in a whole heap of trouble for having inveigled me into sending that reply. Your only hope is that by some miracle Ed. doesn’t spot it , but I think even St.Jude himself would have real difficulty arranging that one).

      July 9, 2015 at 8:26 pm
  • editor

    He did. Have difficulty arranging that. St Jude, I mean.

    And in case Ben doesn’t know about the custom of the Glasgow Kiss, here’s one now, Ben…

    July 9, 2015 at 8:31 pm
  • bencjcarter

    HA HA HA 😀 You two have cheered up my Friday evening, for which, thanks 😀

    (The reason why I needed to be cheered up is to be found on any thread whatever of the Catholic Herald, which I’ve just been reading (and commenting on with one of my many bewildering made-up online disguises). I’ve never come across so many benighted fools ignorant souls.

    July 9, 2015 at 8:38 pm
    • spudeater


      What’s all that about???

      I was referring to 2 Corinthians 13:12 but inadvertently typed “fond Glasgow” instead of “holy” (easily done). I am both surprised and a little disappointed…..


      If it’s not too late, please don’t view Ed.’s inappropriate video clip…. but if you have already, let me say I honestly didn’t mean to be the cause of the broadcasting of yet another piece of gratuitous violence.

      July 9, 2015 at 9:10 pm
      • editor


        I recommend you look for that potato avatar asap – it’s getting to seem more and more appropriate!

        Kidding! Honest… 😀

        July 9, 2015 at 9:19 pm
    • editor


      Friday? This is Thursday, ya numpty (as we Glaswegians say!)

      Time for a break – I’m off to see if there’s anything on TV… Just don’t tell Summa!

      July 9, 2015 at 9:20 pm
      • Benedict Carter

        It’s been one of those weeks! Now I don’t even know what day it is …

        July 9, 2015 at 9:47 pm
      • editor

        It’s Thursday…

        July 9, 2015 at 10:35 pm
    • westminsterfly

      I wrote a piece years ago which was published in the PEEP newsletter urging Catholics to stop buying the ‘Catholic’ newspapers – including The Catholic Herald. I think one has to realise that the sole purpose of these publications is to give employment to the people who run them, because they don’t do anything to further the Catholic Faith, in fact they tend to undermine it. I’m quite sure that the only thing keeping them afloat is all the advertising revenue, and in my experience, those who have advertised in them (including myself many years ago) have paid top dollar and achieved very poor results. I wonder if the circulation figures they give out apply to the actual number of papers sent to the churches – not those that actually get sold. The London church which I regularly attend only stocks the Herald, but it always seems to have a large pile of them left.

      July 10, 2015 at 9:01 am
  • Summa

    Yes, you might not believe it, but here is a picture of the Pope receiving a hammer and sickle – THE Communist symbol, with Jesus nailed to it.

    I don’t think this can be trumped by anything that we have seen.

    Not the ‘Who am I to judge’

    Not the ‘Synod’

    This is just a terrible tragedy that it has now come to this.

    July 10, 2015 at 12:31 am
    • editor


      I’ve been reading that on CNA, but there is a photo of the Pope looking at the crucifix with disapproval (looking annoyed, in fact) and saying “this is not right” (or similar)

      The hilarious thing is, Fr Lombardi then came out in a desperate attempt to say that the Pope WASN’T annoyed, that because of the clicking cameras, he was mis-heard! Hilarious beyond words. They say nothing when he drops clangers all over the place, and when he says what he should say, they try to “correct” it. Truly, you couldn’t make this stuff up.

      July 10, 2015 at 12:37 am
  • Summa

    You can clearly make it out here too

    July 10, 2015 at 3:15 am
  • Summa

    Whatch the video, he is already wearing the abomination of Christ on a communist symbol round his neck.

    He should have sent a clear message, turned his back and walked out.

    But he would only do that if he was a a real practising Catholic

    July 10, 2015 at 3:20 am
    • catholicconvert1

      If I were the Pope…mmmm….what I have done? I imagine St. Pius X would have walloped him around the head with it and excommunicated him with it. Therefore, that’s what I would have done!!

      July 12, 2015 at 6:09 pm
  • Summa

    Editor, can I have this dance?

    July 10, 2015 at 3:36 am
  • editor


    Absolutely priceless ! That is just hilarious !

    July 10, 2015 at 11:53 am
    • Summa

      ♫ Focus not on sins ♫
      ♫ But recycle bins ♫
      ♫ It’s no crime to be gay ♫


      July 11, 2015 at 12:54 am
  • Jobstears

    That was priceless! Thank you, Summa 😀

    July 10, 2015 at 3:26 pm
    • crofterlady

      Hahaha.! I haven’t laughed so much in ages. Thanks Summa.

      July 10, 2015 at 6:06 pm
  • spudeater

    I recorded a programme shown on Channel 5 earlier this week entitled ‘Hiroshima – The Aftermath’ about those who survived the atomic bomb, in the hope that it might feature the story of Fr.Hubert Schiffer SJ. He and seven fellow Jesuits emerged from the devastation relatively unscathed despite their residence being less than a mile from where the bomb detonated. When asked later about their survival, Fr. Schiffer’s telling reply was, “In that house the Rosary was prayed every day. In that house we were living the message of Fatima.” Well, my hopes were in vain and there was not one word about his story. Seems the programme’s producers felt much more comfortable in talking about and showing the horror wreaked by the blast than they did concerning anything that even so much as hinted at a ‘supernatural’ event. Not surprised really.

    (Ed., I’ve tried to find an avatar,honest, and am actually eager to get one – I lead an exciting life – but midway through the process, I got a WordPress message saying ‘Whoops, you seem to have encountered a problem. We’re sure it’s our fault and we’ll look into it’,etc,etc, so it appears my desire for a Désirée must remain thwarted for the time being).

    July 10, 2015 at 11:35 pm
    • editor


      Disappointing about the programme – surely they couldn’t have known about the priests, wouldn’t they be keen to investigate? Signed, Gloria Green (author of the lyrics in the video above….!)

      Also disappointing about the avatar but, hopefully, that will soon be fixed. It’s usually very straightforward. It makes SUCH a difference, so much easier to find posts and brightens up the place no end. Just look at Crofterlady’s (the wise old bird – yeah right!)

      Anyway, hopefully the blip with your avatar will be fixed soon. If not, let me know and I’ll see if there’s anything I can do to help.

      July 10, 2015 at 11:58 pm
  • Fidelis

    This is a comment about Joseph Shaw’s article in the Catholic Herald which is being discussed on the thread about Archbishop Tartaglia. Editor asked that we only comment on that here, so I just want to say that I am surprised at this interpretation of Pope Francis

    I think Joe Shaw is well meaning and has done great work organising the courses for priests to learn the Latin Mass, but on this I think he’s incorrect. Pope Francis’ own words have been quoted often on this blog and show that he is antagonistic to tradition.

    July 11, 2015 at 9:51 am
    • editor


      I admire your charity. I see this latest from the LMS as back to business as usual. They have always been wary of annoying the bishops, so not surprising that they don’t want to annoy the Pope and have chosen, instead, to stretch language, not to mention common sense, to breaking point.

      Pope Francis is an outright Modernist, as Bishop Fellay said without any ambiguity. Now HE’D make a great pope! There’d be no chance of HIM mocking “traditional” Catholic customs or taking a “live and let live” attitude to the Mass. “Let live” to blasphemy and heresy? No way.

      July 11, 2015 at 1:49 pm
      • Christina

        Fidelis and Editor, I think you are being a tad unfair in dismissing Joseph Shaw’s piece so summarily. Apart from the silly heading, which might not be his, I read it as a most thoughtful assessment of the emerging situation in England and Wales which gives great reason for hope.

        I doubt that the Pope would be pleased with it. Shaw states boldly that the former might think that doing things the way the Church did for more than 10 centuries ‘ might be misguided and a fad’ – the irony in this context is obvious. In an earlier paragraph the message is clear. This Pope really couldn’t care less about matters that we (and Joseph Shaw, and the LMS) know are of prime importance, being preoccupied with ‘practical and pastoral issues’ but it doesn’t matter, as ‘something deeper than the personal interests of popes’ is favouring a return to tradition in the mainstream Church. There is much truth in the conclusion that neglect of the liturgy by Pope and old senior prelates is at present better than ‘official tinkering’ with it.

        Nor would the majority of bishops be pleased to hear themselves described, in effect, as a lot of passé old fuddy-duddies – ‘debunkers’ of tradition whose outdated scholarship is now being debunked by those ordained since the 1980s. The advances made recently in England and Wales, as listed by Shaw, are annoying the hell out of the old guard, and could not have been imagined a few years ago.

        I have said before that the tendency to dismiss as suspect any traditionalist trends in the Church outside the confines of the SSPX is not a healthy one. I was not blessed to meet the saintly Archbishop Lefebvre, but I feel sure that he would rejoice at some of these recent developments where stable parishes are being established, with churches open all day, perpetual adoration, liturgy of the hours, novenas, benediction, evening classes on the Mass and the faith, in other words the fullness of Catholic parish life restored, which of necessity cannot be realised by our wonderful SSPX priests.

        The LMS has its faults, as I know too well, but its attitude vis-a-vis the bishops, IMHO, has been respectful but prudent, and certainly not ingratiating. It has provided encouragement and support to bishops and priests who have had the faith and courage to buck the trend and, by the grace of God, 50 years of patient endeavour is now bearing fruit. Rejoice.

        July 12, 2015 at 1:17 pm
      • editor


        I was only this morning speaking to “SSPX friends” about the importance of welcoming what little advances we detect when and wherever they arise, but that is not what is at issue here.

        Whatever Joseph Shaw’s intentions, the fact is, one gentleman held up the front page of the hard copy of the Catholic Herald in our tearoom this morning and shook his head in dismay at the ridiculous headline “Why traditionalists should thank God for Pope Francis…. ” How many ignorant laity will see that – what you describe as a “silly headline” (what I term a most dangerous headline) staring up at them at the back of their churches this week? The damage is incalculable, affirming the papolatrists and thrilling, to bits, the liberals who know fine well that no “traditionalist” worthy of the name could possibly thank God for this scandalous pontiff. Remember, many people, like the gentleman just mentioned, do not have access to the internet. He read the report of the Pope accepting the hammer and sickle crucifix, on teletext then saw the Catholic Herald headline this morning. How confusing is that? The LMS telling the Catholic population that we should thank God for Pope Francis? No wonder he shook his head. In near despair.

        Yes, the editor no doubt chose the headline (it’s about the only fun editors get, believe me) but the article facilitated the headline and it is a LIE to say that “traditionalists should thank God for Pope Francis” – except in the sense that he is so very bad that his very Modernism may prove to be the final nail in the understanding of the more informed among the so called “conservatives” and move them forward. This, remember, is a pope who has breathed heresy at every opportunity. We thank God for that? Really?

        You see, this is the LMS/Una Voce lie writ large. The belief that, as long as we have plenty of TLMs all will be well. That’s the script and it’s plain wrong.

        The Faith is about much more that “just” the Mass and that has always been the problem with the LMS and Una Voce. They don’t think so. Those of us who attend the SSPX do so because we realise that the Faith is an entire package – which, Holy Mother Church insists, can only be properly understood if taught systematically, as a whole.

        Pope Francis has proven time and time again that he is a terrible pope. Were he to announce tomorrow that he wanted a TLM in every parish (as if) it would not change the fact that he, like the majority, it seems, of the bishops, does not hold to the divine and Catholic faith in its entirety. That he occasionally appoints an “orthodox”* bishop is good in so far as it goes, but is it any more than we have a right to expect from a Pope?

        And that’s why, not only can “traditionalists” not thank God for him, but it’s why we must pray for his true conversion as a matter of urgency. And, importantly, we must continue to educate fellow Catholics about the true nature of papal authority, it’s extent and limitations, and why we don’t jump for joy when a self-evidently bad pope takes a “live and let live” attitude to the ancient Mass. Isn’t that what kind and tolerant Protestants have done for years?

        * precisely how “orthodox” these new bishops really are, is never really addressed. They wouldn’t have been appointed if they did not adhere to Vatican II and the novus ordo, not to mention the whole ecumenical industry, so I’m afraid I never get too excited about these allegedly “traditional leaning” bishops – it usually means that they permit more traditional Masses than the rest of the hierarchy, or even an occasional “traditional parish” – all of which is great, but it’s still not “the whole package”. If any of these bishops or “traditional parishes” is exempt from promoting ecumenical events, for example, I’ll be very happy indeed to stand corrected. Otherwise, I think we must be on our guard against forgetting that we are praying and working towards the restoration of the Catholic Faith – all of it.

        July 12, 2015 at 4:25 pm
      • Christina

        Ed, well I usually read beyond a headline, especially one in the so-called Catholic press, and it is a pity that this one has had such an effect in the tearoom as to blind folk and prevent them from learning that there are good things happening, by the grace of God and in spite of Pope Francis. Who knows but that in some tearoom following a clown mass the chat might be along the lines of ‘Traditionalists must be OK after all’. It’d be a start!

        It’s unfair and wrong to say that the FIUV is just about the Mass and not the entire faith. There may be individual members who are as ignorant as that, but I know some who attend SSPX Masses who are equally ignorant. The organisation was founded to preserve the traditional Mass while it was being tinkered with some years before the ghastly Bugnini mass we know was promulgated. At the time nothing was more important than preserving the Mass, but, ‘lex orandi’ and all that, by and large the faith was kept along with it and the activities of constituent bodies of the FIUV have gone much further than ‘arranging Masses’ in recent years.

        We have spoken before about ecumenical events being promoted at Masses other than those of the SSPX. If you can send me evidence of any such thing from a ‘traditional parish’, I’ll eat my hat and send a cheque to CT!

        July 12, 2015 at 6:21 pm
      • editor


        I am always puzzled, and I’m sure I’ve said so before in these discussions, when you create an SSPX Vs EOTG (Every Other Traditional Group) divide. I’ve never EVER said that I think the SSPX is perfect or even remotely in danger of being so. Nor do I think the other groups are all bad.

        I also took care to point out that if I’m wrong about “traditional parishes” promoting ecumenism, let me know and I’ll accept that, but all I have to go on is the fact that the parishes up here in Scotland where TLMs are “allowed” and they distribute the same bulletins as they distribute at the NO Masses, make the same announcements about various events, and they sell the “Catholic” papers etc. Those Una Voce priests are studiously avoiding all conflict. They’d welcome the Dalai Lama with open arms if the bishops invited him. I know of young families who attend the SSPX in Glasgow in preference to these parishes because that’s where they can be sure of NOT being faced with such modernism. In practical terms, it would be easier to attend the one parish where a TLM is “allowed” on Sundays, but the downside, in spiritual terms, is too great, says one young mother who keeps reminding herself, she tells me, that she is responsible for doing her utmost to save her children’s souls.

        Now, on the other side, as I say, I’ve never claimed that everything is rosy in the SSPX garden – far from it – but I refuse, absolutely, to agree that Joseph Shaw did the right thing in publishing that article. He even uses the give-away terms: he speaks of a “bi-ritual” parish which he clearly thinks is a good thing because “both forms of the Roman Rite, the Ordinary and the Extraordinary will be celebrated side by side…”

        Er? “Both forms of the Roman Rite”? Even the notorious Mgr Loftus delightedly quoted Fr Gelineau’s delighted observation on the creation of the novus ordo that “the Roman rite has been destroyed.” And he was delighted so to do 😀

        So, the leader of the LMS expresses pleasure that the ancient Mass is no better, no worse, that the Bugnini concoction and that God can happily live with both being offered to him under the same roof? This is an advance? Listen, Christina, my beloved friend, if they instructed every baker in Glasgow never to sell me another cream cake for as long as I live, I STILL wouldn’t use the derogatory term “Extraordinary Form” to describe the ancient Mass and to accept that the novus ordo is on an equal footing with it. “Bi-ritual”? “By George”, as you lot say south of the border – no way!

        Joseph Shaw is correct to highlight the “generational shift” – it’s that – not Pope Francis – which, in human terms is possibly helping bring about the change in attitudes towards the old rite Mass. So a headline noting that DESPITE Pope Francis’ best efforts, the ancient Mass is here to stay and spreading would have been an improvement. That, and a refusal to use the language of the Modernists would have helped make his article more palatable to my unworthy self. Not that I was uppermost in his mind as he penned his piece, but indulge my pride, just this once !

        As you say, Christina, it’s always best to read beyond the headline but, unfortunately, the fact is that more people will stand and peruse the headlines before moving on, than will buy the paper. That’s the reality. Just ask the accountants at the Catholic Herald!

        PS make that cheque payable to Editor’s New Hairdo, Outfit and Cream Cake Fund… 😀

        July 12, 2015 at 8:54 pm
      • Christina

        Get a sample of ecumenical stuff from one of the ICKSP parishes in England and the cheque will arrive pronto🍰👒👵.

        July 12, 2015 at 9:13 pm
      • editor

        Right. So, here’s the eight-step plan…

        1) find a reader south of the border who will plant some ecumenical stuff in an ICKSP parish in England

        2) fill up with petrol (the car, I mean…!)

        3) drive to said ICKSP parish in England, photograph said ecumenical stuff

        4) drive back here, announce on blog + photo evidence of said ecumenical stuff

        5) await arrival of cheque

        6) bank cheque

        7) say “Long live Joseph Shaw!” x 10 times

        8) sign up at Scottish Slimmers, since I really shouldn’t be eating so many cream cakes! 😀

        July 12, 2015 at 10:44 pm
      • sixupman

        Regarding b-ritual parishes. St. Catherine Laboure, Leyland is absolutely orthodox. St. Chads, Manchester also, but they did modify their presentation of the NOM, or so I found. When they were at The Holy Name, they were ‘free spirits’, but to formally establish their Oratory, the previous bishop arm-twisted them. They were getting 100 at their Holy Name TLM, with a goodly number of MU students, they have half such at St. Chads. Equally, their ‘hybrid’ NOM, early mornings and evenings, at Holy Name, was attracting 50 a time. Interestingly, or disturbingly, the MU chaplain was of a Traditional leaning, he has gone. The Holy Name is back with a Jesuit in charge, also running the chaplaincy and the rudimentary table altar has re-appeared. ICKSP, New Brighton, have an NOM “parish Mass”, but ecumenism no! Preston, as far as I am aware is fully TLM. I recall a Catholic church in the East of Salford recently displaying the ALPHA nonsense, but cannot remember exactly where. One area of astonishment: Nelson & Colne, parish church burnt down, a previous bishop decided to have a permanent sharing with a new Methodist church/facility in the town centre.

        [It has been reported that six seminarians at Maynooth have been told to reassess their situations, as it is felt they expressed Traditonal tendencies and, wait for it, being divisive.]

        July 12, 2015 at 11:12 pm
  • editor

    Here is a real corker – Cardinal Vincent Nichols calling in the Protestants* to evangelise Catholic parishes! Click here

    Gimme, I mean PLEASE gimme, strength !

    * I should have made clear that he is calling in the official Protestants to evangelise the “Protestantised Catholics” across his archdiocese.

    Gimme, I mean PLEASE DO gimme, strength !

    But note the Cardinal’s words of caution against doing any actual missionary work:

    Parishes are also to be encouraged to establish their own evangelism teams, although Cardinal Nichols on Tuesday stressed that these teams should avoid proselytising.
    “Door-stepping, cold calling, things that minimalise the quality of human relationship is not what we do,” he emphasised.

    Did I just say “gimme strength”? A couple of times? Let me say it again – with bells on: gimme, ding dong strength!

    July 11, 2015 at 11:18 pm
    • Confitebor Domino

      Quite what ++Nichols hopes to achieve is beyond me. The “Church of England” has been using the Alpha course for nearly 40 years. Their current state of terminal decline -and consequent desperation to embrace any and every novelty – would suggest it’s pretty much totally useless.

      All it really tells us is that the hierarchy are still stubbornly determined to try anything – except authentic Catholicism.

      July 12, 2015 at 3:18 pm
    • westminsterfly

      Although I never read it myself, I heard from someone years ago that in one of Nicky Gumbel’s books he gloats about the amount of people ‘converting’ (i.e. apostatising) from the Catholic Faith to his brand of Protestantism in Latin America.
      What can you expect from Cardinal Nichols – the man who has fiercely protected a clique of openly dissenting, self-professed practising homosexuals and their sacrilegious Masses from the day he returned to Westminster. Getting Nicky Gumbel in is an improvement on that . . . . it’s how bad things are in Westminster, folks . . .

      July 13, 2015 at 9:23 am
  • sixupman

    A priest friend who has known +++Nichols from his early days rates him as a lightweight.

    July 11, 2015 at 11:28 pm
    • editor


      A “lightweight” is putting it mildly. Anyone who detects an ounce of divine and Catholic faith in that man’s utterances, please write the evidence on the back of a second class postage stamp and send it to us on a postcard… er… I think !

      But listen, seriously, is not this the logical outcome of the creation of a new Mass with the help of Protestant advisers for the stated purpose of removing all Catholic prayers that may offend them? Why NOT, then, ask them to re-educate us in the Christian faith? That’s really what is happening here.

      Would the last person to leave the Archdiocese of Westminster, please shout “hurrah!” Look for the nearest SSPX chapel and return to the Faith of our Fathers.

      Me, I’m heading for the pubs and clubs, so, ‘nite, folks!

      July 11, 2015 at 11:30 pm
      • sixupman

        I could not repeat what the priest actually said regarding +++Nichols, it would make you blush.

        July 12, 2015 at 10:51 pm
  • Christina

    There you are – an old passé fuddy-duddy if ever there was one, gives one last desperate strangled cry😷.

    July 12, 2015 at 1:22 pm
  • Christina

    Erm, that was +++Nichols I meant. Didn’t a lot of parishes do the alpha course some years ago?

    July 12, 2015 at 9:20 pm
  • Waterside4

    Been busy for a few days so not involved in the jousting on here.
    One of the saddest items I read about his past week, was His Holiness accepting a sacrilegious “crucifix” from the Communist Bolivian President.
    As is often the case it prompted me to pen the following doggerel.


    They profane our true Redeemer
    Who for sins died upon the cross,
    A revered icon down the ages
    For half the world a true ethos;
    This green Pope has now accepted
    An atheistic crucifix,
    Will the Eucharist next be carried
    In a Masonic symbold pix.

    With his global warming missive
    To send us back to a dark age,
    We must stop exhaling “carbon”
    The goddess Gaia we must assuage;
    His next letter will inform us
    Of the achievements of Saint Marx,
    On a par with fraudster scientists,
    A leader of heresiarchs.

    Perhaps his next Encyclical
    Will be issued from the Kremlin,
    The virtues of the Soviets
    Vati Pravdas new dissemblin’
    Catholic proletariats
    Would make the Church look farcical,
    My breath wont be bated for the
    Hammer and En-sickle-ecal.

    July 13, 2015 at 6:48 pm
    • westminsterfly

      I read yesterday Pope Francis left the hammer and sickle crucifix behind when he left . . .

      July 14, 2015 at 9:01 am
      • editor


        That’s good to know – I do hope it’s true.

        July 14, 2015 at 9:36 am
      • Waterside4

        Yes at last a bit of common sense – if true.

        Any link to this please?

        Thank you.

        Ed: I don’t know WHAT you are doing, but your posts are going into moderation – perhaps connected with your log in as “Patrick”. The system is treating you as a new blogger, and putting you into moderation.

        July 14, 2015 at 9:44 am
      • gabriel syme

        Westminster Fly / Editor / Waterside,

        Unfortunately, in this linked interview Francis is asked directly if he left the item behind but he says “no, its travelling with me”.

        July 14, 2015 at 11:21 am
      • editor

        Gabriel Syme,

        That is absolutely shocking. Times like this, I wonder where our papolatrists are hiding. You know, the ones who never miss an opportunity to defend sexually deviant clergy and only mention sin when the conversation turns to the duty of Catholics not to damage the Faith by attending a Protestant-inspired Mass – that sort. Where are THEY when reports like your link, with a photo of the Pope wearing a hammer and sickle round his neck are offered for discussion?

        Where? Why don’t they come out of the woodwork and defend the Faith for a change, instead of only popping by to support priests and popes who are, to put it mildly, on public record as “doing the wrong thing”?

        July 14, 2015 at 12:19 pm
      • westminsterfly July 14, 2015 at 1:01 pm
  • editor

    A reader emailed the following Daily Mail article. This nonsense, together with Pope Francis’ ascertain that the “green” issue is the most urgent matter of our times, really is incredible.

    • Churchgoers to be encouraged to take part in fasts against climate change
    • General Synod, the CofE’s parliament, adopts green activism programme
    • It backed a motion which said creation is holy and the Church is ‘called to protect the earth now and for the future’

    Read the article here and note: “eco-theology” should already be on the training programme, as it amounts to nothing more than “read Genesis, remember that God created the world and use the litter bins!”

    Gimme strength!

    July 14, 2015 at 9:29 am
    • Confitebor Domino

      ”the [CofE] Synod drew back from instructing all churchgoers that skipping a sandwich to save the planet on the first day of every month is a duty”

      Well, they wouldn’t want to be two sandwiches short of a picnic 😀

      They just can’t let a bandwagon go past without shouting ‘All aboard!’. Though, in this case, we’re not in much of a position to criticize them after the publication of the Pope’s Red Manifesto.

      July 14, 2015 at 11:11 am
      • editor


        Priceless! You should be applying for jobs as a stand up comic!

        July 14, 2015 at 12:15 pm
    • Frankier

      I suppose the reason God didn’t provide the litter bins when he created the world was because there was no plastic available at the time and the wheel still hadn’t been invented.

      July 15, 2015 at 1:16 am
  • editor

    Please sign this petition after watching the very short video clip (with conversation captioned as well as oral) of the Planned Parenthood doctor talking glibly about selling the body parts of aborted (murdered) babies. A criminal offence in the USA, with possible prison term of up to ten years. Will be interesting to see if she’s charged.

    July 14, 2015 at 6:09 pm
  • leprechaun

    Madame Editor,

    I hope no rain falls on you today, as July 15th is St. Swithin’s Day and as the saying goes:St Swithin’s day if thou dost rain, For forty days it will remain

    St Swithin’s day if thou be fair, For forty days ’twill rain nae mare

    The forecast where I am is for no rain and wall-to-wall sunshine – but the sky above my toadstool is well clouded right now.

    Hey ho.

    Ps: This is the correct place for light-hearted interventions, isn’t it?

    July 15, 2015 at 12:33 pm
    • westminsterfly


      If this is true, I’m stuffed, as it’s rained here pretty much all day!

      Anyway, a happy and blessed Feast of Our Lady of Mount Carmel to one and all tomorrow (July 16th). Don’t forget, if you are enrolled in the Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel you can get a plenary indulgence tomorrow, under the usual conditions

      July 15, 2015 at 1:53 pm
    • editor


      Yes, we can always use some light-hearted intervention, be assured!

      We’ve had a beautifully sunny day up here, although some of us spent a few hours of it at a politics meeting – see the Named Person thread for more on that later, when I get time to post a short report.

      Still, whatever the weather is like in your neck of the woods, we’ve had the sunshine today – although tomorrow, as they say, is another day!

      July 16, 2015 at 5:36 pm
  • westminsterfly

    Did anyone see this news item? Fr Steven Fisher, the priest who nobbled the thriving traditional Latin Mass at Blackfen parish, resigns from the parish and the priesthood.

    July 16, 2015 at 1:33 pm
    • editor


      What sad news to received on this beautiful Feast of Our Lady of Mount Carmel. I think it’s obvious enough why he’s gone, and I say that not because I’ve been a fan of Miss Marple for a long time. No detective skills needed to put together the clues from the photos/Facebook interaction – unless I’m missing something very obscure.

      Let’s commend him to the motherly protection of Our Lady of Mount Carmel.

      July 16, 2015 at 5:34 pm
  • crofterlady

    Has anyone else seen this here below? Explains Michael Voris’ stance.

    July 17, 2015 at 5:05 pm
  • westminsterfly

    Thanks for that Crofterlady, a real eye-opener. So it’s all about money and keeping the CMTV show on the road. When vested interests are involved, truth is very often the first casualty . . .
    Remnant TV also did a video on the Voris problem.

    July 17, 2015 at 5:53 pm
  • westminsterfly Shocking! I don’t know who the author, Michael Novak, is, but whatever he means, Pope Francis’ admission cannot be reckoned as humility. Genuine humility would PREVENT one from making a multitude of various unfounded assertions in the first place – particularly if one were in such a prominent position.

    July 17, 2015 at 8:31 pm
  • editor

    All very sad about Michael Voris. What was very interesting, too, about that blog article, Crofterlady, is the comments about the FSSP underneath. Very strong views expressed placing them right in the middle of novus-ordo land. Christina, be prepared to NOT get mad, get even!

    Sixupman emailed this blog article about Papa Francis – very interesting indeed.

    July 17, 2015 at 8:32 pm
    • Christina

      Ed, I’m practising ‘mindfulness’ and learning to manage negative emotions.

      July 18, 2015 at 12:51 am
  • Summa

    What the history of the Arian crisis proves is that, during a time of general apostasy, Catholics who remain true to their traditional faith may have to worship outside the official churches, the churches of priests in communion with the lawfully appointed diocesan bishop who is in communion with the lawfully elected Roman Pontiff.

    Such Catholics may have to look for truly Catholic teaching, leadership and inspiration—not to their diocesan bishop, not to the bishops of their country as a body, not even to the pope, but to one heroic bishop, a confessor repudiated by the other bishops and even by the Roman Pontiff, and possibly excommunicated.

    I just wanted to post a snippet of this great article, written years before by Michael Davies and part of SSPX news.

    It is pieces like this that provide great strength and support in these times when the faithful are so embattled by modernism and constantly pressurised to be ‘in communion’ with the Church.

    July 17, 2015 at 11:34 pm
  • leprechaun

    Madame Editor

    In keeping with my role as your obedient servant here at Toadstool Towers may I reiterate that italic text is switched on by typing a left hand hairpin bracket “”. All ensuing text will be in italics. To switch the effect off, repeat the same three character instruction but type a backslash before the letter “I” and the text will return to its normal upright stance.

    Try …Italicised…. But without any of the dots. Result. Italicised .

    It is ever so easy.

    Bold type is turned on and off but by use of the letter “b” for “bold” instead of “I” for italic. bold.

    As for turning on Leprechaun, all that is required is for Mrs. Leprechaun to give him one of her “Come hither” looks and all resistance is futile.

    July 21, 2015 at 10:57 pm
    • crofterlady

      Thank you for trying but I haven’t a clue what you mean! Can you give a website which could be clearer?

      July 21, 2015 at 11:47 pm
  • editor


    I’m afraid I don’t understand what you mean at all (although I understand only too well your rather risqué conclusion. Who needs Channel 4 when we’ve got this blog?)

    Anyway, will test and see if I’m interpreting you correcting. You refer to “hairpin bracket” and then post two quotes marks, so I presume those are “hairpin brackets” Then I see a full stop. Since you refer to the letter I in the “how to turn off” instruction, I presume I’m supposed to type the letter “I” somewhere around the “”.

    Let’s try it. I’m going to try to italicise the “naughty” in the following sentence.

    You are very “”.naughty \””. to post a risqué comment when you know I ruthlessly delete such breaches of the in-house rules, in an attempt to keep the standard of Catholicity on this blog very high, especially when it comes to purity, but I forgive you, Leprechaun, since you’re doing me a favour…

    Let’s see if the italics are there. I hae ma doobts…

    A minute later, after checking…

    Didn’t work. Would you mind spelling it out in simple language. For example, when I’m explaining about the smiley faces, I do so thus:

    Type a colon :

    Now type the word grin

    Now type another colon :

    So you will have colongrincolon – : grin :

    Except you won’t leave any spaces. When you then submit your post, it will look like this 😀

    Leppy, could you do something like that for us, step by step, with exactly what we are to type? Think of it as page 1 of Italics For Dummies / Bold Type for Dummies…

    Please and thank you 😀

    July 21, 2015 at 11:11 pm
  • crofterlady

    Haha, a hoot!

    July 21, 2015 at 11:49 pm
  • Athanasius

    Right, let’s see if I can if a go at explaining this.

    If you want to type something in italics, you put the first of these brackets before the text and the latter at the end, NOT both together at beginning and end

    Same process for bold, but using the letter b instead of i. And remember, lower case only.

    July 22, 2015 at 12:02 am
  • editor


    You still don’t say where the letter “i” should go but I’m going to guess it’s as just typed. So, here’s my test. I will type “numpties” in italics (I hope) in the sentence below…

    Both Leppy and Athanasius are “i”numpties”i” but nice numpties!

    A minute later – after checking…

    It still didn’t work.

    Here’s how I interpreted your meaning:

    1) type ”
    2) type i
    3) type ”
    4) type numpty or whatever word you wish to put in italics
    5) type ”
    6) type i
    7) type ”

    So, in the end it looks like “i”word to be italicised”i” to close italics.

    Obviously that’s wrong but would YOU give us a step by step (Italics for Dummies, page 1) – otherwise we’ll never get the hang of this…

    July 22, 2015 at 12:06 am
  • Athanasius

    Ok, that clearly didn’t work. The brackets didn’t show up in the post!

    The brackets I’m referring to are those little left/right arrow ones to the left of the question mark on your keyboard. So to type italics, press left arrow then small i then right arrow. this has the effect of enclosing the i in brackets. Then, when you’ve finished your italics, press left arrow followed by forward slash (same key as question mark) then i then right bracket. Same process for bold, only use b instead of i.

    Does this make any more sense?

    July 22, 2015 at 12:08 am
    • editor

      Right. Here goeth again… (VERY should be in italics below…)

      Thank you Athanasius – I am very grateful for your help.

      A minute later, after checking…

      BINGO! It worked!

      Thank you Athanasius – I really am very grateful for your help 😀

      Got it!

      July 22, 2015 at 12:12 am
  • Athanasius

    Hey hey! Success! Maybe I should have been a teacher, what? Ok, I won’t get too excited!

    July 22, 2015 at 12:15 am
  • editor

    Now I’m going to test the bold

    A minute later, on checking…

    BINGO AGAIN! It worked!

    Yes, Athanasius, you should have been a teacher. Except you’d have had to be excused from PHSE on the days when they were discouraging smoking! 😀

    Thank you for this. I was only able to use the italics and bold by going back into my comments – now I have caught up with the rest of you! Thank you very much indeed. I mean very much indeed!

    July 22, 2015 at 12:15 am
  • Athanasius


    Glad to have been able to help.


    Don’t worry, I stole your job but you may continue to reside in Toadstool Towers!

    July 22, 2015 at 12:25 am
  • leprechaun

    Madame Editor,

    I know my place, even more so now.


    I am sorry that my carefully constructed guide did not print in keeping with what I typed – WordPress or some leprechaun-unfriendly gremlin suppressed the very characters to which I sought to draw your attention. However, old age and cunning will always out-do youth and enthusiasm so please visit this link and make a print out:

    I am grateful to Athanasius for bringing you so boldly to enlightenment.

    Heigh-so. Some you win first time, others you lose temporarily.

    July 22, 2015 at 8:41 am
    • editor

      Thanks Leprechaun for that, a clear case of “don’t buy one, still get one free”!

      July 22, 2015 at 10:58 am
    • crofterlady

      Thank you, Leprechaun, I’ll print that out and try later.
      Thanks also to Athanasius for your clear instructions.

      July 22, 2015 at 12:42 pm
      • editor

        Er…what was that, Crofterlady?

        Thank you, too, Editor, for all of your efforts to help me. All much appreciated… 😀

        July 22, 2015 at 7:27 pm
      • crofterlady

        Thank you kindly, ma’am. Grovel, grovel…………

        July 23, 2015 at 4:26 pm
  • westminsterfly

    More outrage in Westminster:-
    (PS – I don’t approve of Voris’s work, but can vouch that this report is accurate, as heard the gist of it verbally from someone monitoring this scandal)

    July 22, 2015 at 9:12 am
    • editor


      You beat me to it – I came in to post that same link, having received it in one of Wendy Walker’s email alerts.

      The remarks about transgenderism (the Church having “no official position” on it etc.) are absolutely diabolical.

      I’m very glad somebody is monitoring this scandal and rely on you to keep us informed. This scandal – and any further developments of it – will surely feature in our October newsletter. Not that that will bother Cardinal Vincent one iota, but it just might be another wake up call for the remaining useful idiots, both clerical and lay. One lives in hope, so one does…

      July 22, 2015 at 10:57 am
  • Helen

    You just have to laugh!

    July 22, 2015 at 4:37 pm
    • editor


      You sure do! Priceless.

      July 22, 2015 at 7:24 pm
  • Thurifer

    Sr. Lucia’s vision of the Third Secret of Fatima. A quote I haven’t heard before but wanted to share.

    July 26, 2015 at 2:56 am
  • Athanasius


    I listened to this video but have to say that I am always skeptical when people quote Sister Lucy from “unpublished writings” that have no date or reference. I sometimes feel that there is too much emphasis placed on temporal chastisements and not enough on the spiritual.

    I still insist, as I always have, that the primary chastisement of the Third Secret of Fatima is a supernatural one, i.e., the great apostasy that we have been witnessing since Vatican II, even at the highest levels in the Church.

    This is not to say that a world conflagration of some kind will not occur, the possibility being ever present according to the text of the Second part of the Fatima Secret. But generally speaking, I think it is misleading for the promoters of the Message of Fatima to emphasise too much this possibility at the expense of the main chastisement, which concerns the eternal loss of souls on an unprecedented scale, including a great many prelates and clerics. Hence the references made by Sister Lucy to Apocalypse, Chapters 8-13, wherein we read about a third part of the stars being dragged down to earth by the tail of the dragon. These stars are commonly interpreted as referring to consecrated souls, particularly prelates of the Church.

    Besides that, I find it hard to comprehend why God would once again make use of a global flood in the chastisement of men. Scripture tells us that following the first flood, God made a covenant with man that He would never again destroy the world with water, and He placed the rainbow in the sky as testimony to his promise.

    At the end of time God will purge the heavens and the earth with fire and will renew them in a supernatural way, but that’s exclusively for the end of the world. Until then I think that if Fatima is to be shown to follow its course in the way Our Lady predicted, then any kind of temporal chastisement in addition to the greater spiritual one is likely to be a third world war begun by Russia. If this is in fact how things develop, which seems likely right now, then the Pope and the bishops will still have a chance to prevent the global catastrophe by making the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary before the first shot is fired. Perhaps this is what Our Lady had in mind when she told Sister Lucy that “the Pope will do it, but it will be late”.

    July 26, 2015 at 1:53 pm
  • editor


    I’m inclined to largely agree with Athanasius about being wary of claims of “unpublished writings” (I feel exactly the same about quotes attributed to Padre Pio) , although I do have a memory at the back of my mind of Father Gruner speaking recently about an unpublished writing of Sr Lucia which was discovered after her death quite by accident, innocently. That’s, I’m afraid, all I can remember. The only other thing that fits “recent” (in the sense that it has been published a lot recently) is the information provided by a Cardinal who quotes Sr Lucia saying that the decisive battle with Satan would be over marriage – something we are witnessing right now – click here to read the information on the Fatima website. I’m wondering if, in fact, it is this revelation by the Cardinal which constitutes the hitherto “unpublished writing” of Sr Lucia – not sure.

    Anyway, thank you for that interesting video clip from John Salza’s talk. I heard him speak once on the subject of Freemasonry, a subject about which he’s very knowledgeable – hardly surprising since he used to be one himself!

    July 26, 2015 at 3:54 pm
  • leprechaun

    Madame Editor,

    May I, through your good offices, ask if amongst our U.K. based bloggers and lurkers, there is anyone who is competent in the use of the Drupal Content Management System for the building of web sites?

    This is a serious enquiry, the reason for which will be come clear in a relatively short time, so if there is anyone out there, willing to be a cyber martyr on a purely voluntary basis, would they please let Madame Editor know by e-mail so that I may be informed.

    Thank you.

    July 28, 2015 at 8:16 pm
    • editor


      Just to let you know, I’ve not had any emails on this. Will email you if there are any responses.

      July 29, 2015 at 11:24 am
      • leprechaun

        Thank you Madame Editor.

        Should anyone be interested in attending a weekend Seminar at St. Michael’s School, Burghclere, UK on Gregorian Chant during the late August holiday, details may be found here:

        July 29, 2015 at 10:14 pm
  • Pat McKay

    That photo of ‘Cardinal’ Godfried Danneels in rainbow vestments really takes the cake.

    The righteous anger of Christ springs to mind…..’stop turning My Father’s House into a den of queers’…..!

    July 29, 2015 at 9:57 am
    • editor


      Shocking. And he said this – a dead giveaway; not much doubt about HIS “orientation”…

      …of the passage of gay “marriage”: “I think it’s a positive development that states are free to open up civil marriage for gays if they want.”

      July 29, 2015 at 11:23 am
  • John

    A Plenary Indulgence can be granted this weekend from noon Aug1st to midnight Aug2nd for oneself or a departed soul. It is called the Portiuncula Indulgence granted to St Francis of Assisi.
    The conditions for the indulgence are
    Sacramental confession(eight days before or after)
    Participation in the Mass and Eucharist
    Recitation of the Apostles Creed, Our Father and a prayer for the pope’s intention.

    More info’ can be found at. http://

    July 29, 2015 at 3:39 pm
    • Margaret Mary


      Thanks for that – I will be praying for the plenary indulgence. I visited the pdf you posted and it can be gained more than once if offered for holy souls in Purgatory.

      July 29, 2015 at 4:16 pm
    • leprechaun


      Thank you for that link, but bloggers wishing to follow it need to omit the single space that you have inserted after the twin forward slashes.

      Alternatively, click here:

      July 30, 2015 at 9:13 am
      • John

        Thank’s Leprechaun I wondered why I could not click on the link.
        My internet “L” plates will have to on a few more weeks.

        July 30, 2015 at 9:47 am
    • Nicky


      I’ve had a read of that pdf and will be doing that Indulgence this weekend. I wanted to say thank you personally – it was good of you to post it.

      July 30, 2015 at 7:09 pm
  • editor

    Gabriel Syme mentioned in an email that there were reports that the Pope has invited Oprah Winfrey to the Vatican but he’d not had time to check whether it was true or a hoax report. I’ve checked and it seems to be all over the place, including here

    As one commentator remarked, it’s kinda sad, really that the Pope feels the need to do this to improve the Church’s image, instead of getting down on his knees to seek help from the One whom he represents.

    Got it, my friend, in one.

    August 6, 2015 at 12:35 am
  • crofterlady

    Islam, a religion of peace……… ar****.

    Pardon the expletive, justified, in my opinion.

    ISIS executes 19 female prisoners for refusing to practice ‘sexual jihad’ – Kurdish official
    Cormac Fitzgerald

    06/08/2015 | 14:26

    ISIS has executed 19 women for refusing to practice ‘sexual jihad’, a Kurdish official has claimed.

    He told an Iraqi news website that women were being held in the terror group’s stronghold of Mosul in Iraq.
    The official also said there have been recent splits in the ranks of ISIS because of arguments over money and the way captured women are distributed.
    On top of this, a UN envoy investigating sexual violent in the conflict has confirmed that an ISIS pamphlet that gives prices for the purchase of women is real.
    Zainab Bangura told Bloomberg that “the girls get peddled like barrels of petrol”.
    “One girl can be sold and bought by five or six different men. Sometimes these fighters sell the girls back to their families for thousands of dollars of ransom.”
    Read more: Isis ‘price list’ for child slaves confirmed as genuine by UN official Zainab Bangura
    ISIS abducted hundreds of Yazidi women last year when they stormed northern Iraq.
    The Yazidis are a Kurdish religious group that ISIS considers heretics.
    Disturbing reports of women and young girls being sold into sexual slavery, with the youngest fetching the highest price, have been confirmed in a number of reports.
    Ms Bangura states that prices for boys and girls aged one to nine are about $165.
    Adolescent girls cost about $124 and it’s less for women over 20.
    “They have a machinery, they have a program,” she told Bloomberg.
    “They have a manual on how you treat these women.”
    Last month, three Yazidi women who escaped ISIS spoke of the horror they experienced at the hands of the terrorist group.
    One woman, Bushra (21), said she was raped repeatedly by the man who bought her.
    “He told me he was going to rape me that same day, however ill I made myself. He took me home, tied up my hands and feet, and raped me,” she said in a video.
    “He raped me about five times a day. My sister was barely 14 when they raped her.
    “‘I could hear her screaming but I couldn’t do anything as I was tied up,” she said.
    Amnesty International previously said that ISIS have destroyed hundreds of Yazidi women’s lives
    Donatella Rovera, Amnesty International’s Senior Crisis Response Advisor, spoke to 40 Yazidi women who had managed to escape last year, and said that what ISIS had done to them amounted to war crimes.
    “Hundreds of Yezidi women and girls have had their lives shattered by the horrors of sexual violence and sexual slavery in IS captivity,” she said.

    August 6, 2015 at 11:38 pm
  • sixupman

    The Jesuits bring the CofE Ecology Party to The Holy Name, Manchester on “Sunday Worship” BBC Radio 4 this a.m. – appalling!

    When the BBC were based on Oxford Road, Manchester, instead taking a few steps up the road where orthodox Catholicism was practiced, they preferred to go elsewhere for Catholicism.

    When Frs. Matus and Hilton were at The Holy Name. they, inter alia, exposed the student body to the full panoply of orthodox Catholicism, including the TLM [well attended by them]. They are now exposed to a much narrower field.

    Fr. Matus rejected all approaches to have concerts in the church. Immediate upon taking-over, the Jesuit priest organised concerts.

    The Catholic religious adviser to Granada TV, another Jesuit, arranged for a series of travesties, at the now ICKSP church. St. Walburge’s, Preston – including apparent con-celebrations with Protestant clergy and a mixed young congregation and communicants It was eventually stoppped.

    August 9, 2015 at 4:33 pm
    • Christina

      There was certainly at least one concert held at Holy Name before the Jesuits returned – I know, because I was there. It was given by a schoolgirls’ choir, and their behaviour was not very edifying in sacred surroundings, especially the glugging of Pepsi, etc., in the pews in the intervals, and I left before the end. Father Matus, I believe, went out for the evening, saying he didn’t like girls’ choirs, but at least the Blessed Sacrament was deposed.

      August 11, 2015 at 10:04 pm
      • editor


        I don’t know Fr Matus personally, but having readers all over the UK, including Manchester, who are well informed (even read this blog, would you believe!) means that I am kept up to date, not necessarily about concerts and choirs* but about the fact that Fr Matus is not opposed to Communion in the hand – I believe he used to give Communion in the hand to those who asked for it at Holy Name, and someone who attends the SSPX and who sometimes goes to St. Chad’s says that Communion in the hand is given there – not that that can be much of a surprise to anyone.

        Even priests who are offering the TLM up here in Glasgow, still give Communion in the hand because that’s the way the archbishop wants it. It’s one reason why there are “traditional” Catholics who refuse to attend their Masses. Some can’t see how a priest can celebrate the new Mass and then offer the old Mass, and take Hosts from the Tabernacle which were consecrated at the novus ordo and perhaps even handled by a lay person, before being returned to the ciborium. That would not be their idea of a totally orthodox priest. I’m not saying I agree – I am, as they say in all the least posh circles… “just sayin'”

        * a reader in England actually emailed me earlier today to say he had mysteriously received an advertisement for a concert to be held in St Mungo’s, Parson Street, Glasgow and having read on the blog (‘Be done with Vatican II’ thread) about the attack on the TLM in the newsletter of that parish, he was intrigued. He’s never received anything from that particular source before.

        August 11, 2015 at 11:02 pm
  • Nicky

    As if one nationalist party isn’t enough for Scotland, looks like we’re getting another one.

    August 11, 2015 at 7:52 pm
    • Confitebor Domino

      That’s good news, Nicky.

      The more independence parties there are the more the votes get split and so the less the chance of the SNP retaining their stranglehold on absolute power.

      August 11, 2015 at 8:35 pm
  • Helen

    I was speaking to a very devout Catholic and she said that we do not have an obligation, per se, to attend Mass (N.O.) on a Sunday but we do have an obligation to keep Sunday holy. Therefore, surely if our local Mass is “a banal and on the spot fabrication” (Cardinal Ratzinger) all we need to do is to observe, in some way, the Lord’s day?

    August 12, 2015 at 7:10 pm
    • sixupman

      Such was stated in the SSPX DICI web Newsletter.

      I whole heartedly agree with that comment. However, I also believe, if one does not have a TLM Diocesan/SSPX/other Traditional Order available, one should attend an orthodox NOM. Also, what if a person is to some extent incapacitated.

      I do not believe the two positions to be contradictory.

      August 12, 2015 at 7:31 pm
      • editor


        You might think again when you read this

        August 12, 2015 at 7:45 pm