New Auxiliary For Glasgow – But Why Doesn’t Archbishop Tartaglia Resign?
Pope Francis has agreed to appoint an auxiliary bishop for the Archdiocese of Glasgow. The new bishop will assist Archbishop Tartaglia who turns 65 in January. The Archbishop asked the Pope for an auxiliary following his health scare earlier this year… Source
Comment:
If the Archbishop of Glasgow is not able to fulfil his office, due to poor health – for which our sympathy – then, surely the right thing to do is to resign? Having an auxiliary running the show can’t be good for the Archdiocese. The clergy already feel they are neglected, with sources telling Catholic Truth that priests feel dissatisfied with the current situation, so the way forward, it seems to us amateurs, is to allow a “new brush” to “sweep [the archdiocese] clean”. Well? What do YOU think?
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Brush the entire conciliar Church clean, starting with this “dung of the devil” Pope and going on through the Cardinals (90% of them,), Bishops (98% of them) and ending with the election of a certain Bernard Fellay as Sergius XXVIII or whatever, I don’t care: get these Modernists out!
Until fairly recently Glasgow always had an Auxiliary – or two. Another was due to be appointed when Cardibal Winning died. In those days Confirmations were always administered by bishops. Archbishop Tartaglia is keen to return to that practice. For that alone an Auxiliary is necessary.
Like the Navy, you might end up with more admirals than ships. As to sweeping clean, do not hold your breath.
I predict Bishop Keenan is to become Archbishop of Glasgow. +Tartaglia wants this (+Tartaglia was instrumental in getting +Keenan Paisley). If he resigns now, then the archdiocese will be given to someone else other than +Keenan. They wouldn’t give it to +Keenan so short a time after installing him in Paisley. Therefore, +Tartaglia will wait a while, resigning in a few years. This way, it will easily pass to +Keenan. I mean, I cannot predict the future, but I am am sure this is the plan. Hold me to it.
I know +Keenan well and I predicted he would become bishop years ago.
The obvious choice would be Monsignor Conroy, Vicar General. This will mean a new priest will take over Sacred Heart Bridgeton, and with it, the archdiocese’s only indult Mass. There is a particular priest I hope they give it to. Or they could drop the indult Mass altogether? I wouldn’t put it past the Archdiocese of Glasgow.
Well, Muffin Man,
You seem to be in the know, with bells on. I thought to myself “he must be [email protected] ” but no, your email address is as hilarious as your username. What a tease !
Anyway, you could be right. The bottom line is, while auxiliary bishops are permitted, I was under the impression (from one of my highfalutin sources), that the Vatican discouraged them and was trying to phase them out, so to speak.
Still, the Vatican also discouraged Communion for public sinners and Communism, at one time, and even tried to phase out sin… These days, anything goes!
They’ll have bother phasing out sin if they are going to keep creating more.
Is it not a sin against the environment now, although venial rather than genial, to keep the wee green light on in the electric toothbrush after it’s charged up?
Frankier,
Fancy having to ask that – of COURSE it’s a mortal sin! Don’t miss the video posted by Summa below – you will laugh, believe me!
If Archbishop Tartaglia cannot manage this job at the relatively young age of 65, how is he going to manage in his 70s? However, it has to be said that not only will this Auxiliary bishop make no difference ( another Modernist voice in the ultra – Modernist Bishops’ Conference of Scotland) appointing a new Archbishop of Glasgow in the current climate would make no difference either. Only Modernists are being promoted. That will continue under Pope Francis.
Where does one start with the Archdiocese of Glasgow? It has been in decline for decades now. I remember watching “The Winning Way”, a documentary about the late Cardinal Winning (RIP). He was quite open about building a “new church” after Vatican II in the Archdiocese of Glasgow. This counterfeit “church” all but wiped out Catholicism in Glasgow. He abandoned the traditional liturgy and made it his priority to rip up altar rails and remove ancient altars in favour of table – style monstrosities. Proper catechesis, religious education and promotion of vocations all went down the toilet.
Cardinal Winning ‘ s big priority was always his “pastoral plan” – a Protestant inspired concept which originated in South America. It involved groups of lay people meeting in each others homes and reading the bible together. There’s nothing particularly wrong with this at face value but it should not be at the expense of Catholic liturgy, devotions, catechesis and religious education.
He gathered together a group of very enthusiastic lay people, religious and clergy to promote it in the Archdiocese – the “Diocesan Pastoral Team”. This team was charged with leading the implementation of the Pastoral Plan. In reality, it never really got off the ground and the Diocesan Pastoral Team became a sort of social club, enjoying regular, booze – fuelled, weekends away on the Archdiocese ‘ s dime.
When the Cardinal died and was replaced by Archbishop Mario Conti, most of his novelties were abandoned and replaced by new novelties. “Faith Into Action” was initiated by Archbishop Conti and encouraged lay Catholics to give very generously of their money to vague and unspecific projects. The whole project was extremely unpopular right from the beginning, with many people being outraged at the hiring of a marketing company to promote the project. Again, like the Pastoral Plan, “Faith into Action” was quietly forgotten about.
If there’s one thing Cardinal Winning and Archbishop Conti had in common, it was a hatred of Traditional Catholicism. Archbishop Conti tried to con Catholics of the Archdiocese into thinking he was more Traditional by sporadically celebrating the Traditional Mass and forming a group to sing Gregorian chant. However, he did all he could to resist Pope Benedict ‘ s Motu Proprio “Summorum Pontificum” which removed unjust restrictions on the Latin Mass.
Under the last three Archbishops of Glasgow Mass attendance has fallen, priestly ordinations have fallen, two Scottish seminaries have closed and parishes have closed. Each one of them has contributed to, and presided over, massive decline.
There have also been quite shocking scandals. It has to be said that one of the worst scandals has to be the use of the religious education programme “Alive – O” in Scottish Catholic primary schools. This surely constitutes a crime against the Faith! This scheme was worse than Protestant – closer to pagan. Yet it was promoted and defended by the bishops of Scotland and their spokespersons.
The error of ecumenism has also been promoted by successive archbishops. Joint prayer services are now a regular occurrence. Scottish Catholic school children took part in an ecumenical “Cantata”, celebrating “Faith in Scotland”. This “Cantata” was supposed to contain a “litany” which included asking for the intercession of John Knox! Thankfully, Catholic Truth intervened and this was dropped.
However, there have been quite shocking scandals involving the clergy which have rocked the Archdiocese of Glasgow. In 2007, the parish priest of Our Lady and St George was caught in his Church performing sexual profanities in front of the tabernacle. After a short time absent, the priest was back in public ministry and is a regular speaker at retreats etc. Now, we cannot deny the priest a fresh start after a period of penance, but should he really be given the responsibility of running a parish? Given the seriousness of his offences, shouldn’t he spend the rest of his life in private performing penance?
The parish of Saint Augustine ‘ s in the Milton area of Glasgow is another source of scandal. It one point this parish was served by two practising homosexual priests. One was blackmailed by a male prostitute he had been hiring in Kelvingrove Park and the other was allegedly in a homosexual relationship for many years.
There have been numerous scandals to befall the Archdiocese. Surely all are a symptom of the loss of Faith? An auxiliary bishop is not going to make any difference. In the current climate, a new Archbishop wouldn’t really make a difference either. Things are rotten to the core and only a traditional pope who appoints traditional bishops is going to change things for the better.
In England & Wales they promote their own, a situation broken by BXVI and even under Franciscus there have arrived bishops more relaxed as to the TLM and b-ritual parishes. But that is of necessity to retain iconic churches which are a financial liability and impractical to dispose of, but in two major cases they did try to sell them to universities. In my own diocese there is a marked shortage of clergy and no replacement plan. Regarding the ++Winning comment and house-churches, the bishop emeritus [if he is still alive] o D & G peddled the same line at the 25th. anniversary of a priest friend of mine – to the point of casting aspersions on the ‘ordained priesthood’. Look where his diocese now is -wrecked.
The latest is that the LMS Chairman opines that Franciscus is not anti-TLM, such on the basis that an FFI friar is to manage a Warrington church – as a bi-ritual parish – abandoned by the Benedictines.
Sixupman,
Why do the LMS think Pope Francis is not anti-Tradition? I’ve read so much that he’s said that I’m amazed at them. I don’t think Pope Francis would have had anything to do with the FFI friar in Warrington – that would be the local bishop, wouldn’t it?
I have posed that very question to the LMS Chairman!
Petrus,
Well said. That’s an excellent synopsis of the situation in Glasgow over a period of years. The drip drip effect of one Modernist bishop after another, is now evidenced in the latest admission from the hierarchy that Scotland is now a mission country, with priests being brought in from overseas to evangelise us! Into what, though? More of the same or will we find ourselves meeting priests who hold to all that the Catholic Church teaches – at last?
The scandals are no surprise, as you say. When the Faith goes, the Morals quickly follow. No question about it.
If Scotland is now a “mission country”, what happened to the – ahem – “New
BabelPentecost” Bad Pope John pulled out of his mitre ? Where did that go, eh ? I wish it were possible to call him up from the grave, and rub his face in the utter devastation he unleashed.I sometimes think that seeing the damage they’ve done is part of the soul’s punishment, so maybe he is suffering for it in Purgatory, or has done, if he is now released. That’s just my own feeling – I don’t know if that is part of Catholic teaching.
Petrus,
” appointing a new Archbishop of Glasgow in the current climate would make no difference either. Only Modernists are being promoted. That will continue under Pope Francis.”
That’s a good point. Your post on the longstanding decline of the Church in Glasgow is shattering to read. Glasgow used to be called “special daughter of Rome” so the decline is really sad to read, and I know that’s not everything – you didn’t even the scandal of the murder in a Glasgow church and other scandals.
Nobody ever mentions praying to St Mungo, Glasgow’s patron saint, so maybe we should do that for the city.
Petrus,
You never miss a chance to broadcast other people’s sins, especially those of priests, and make them known to an ever wider audience, do you?
“Faith into Action” was not “quietly forgotten about”. It ran its planned (three year?) course and raised substantial sums of money, not for “vague and unspecific projects” but for clearly defined purposes – care of sick and retired clergy, refurbishment and repair of the Cathedral and youth ministry.
Eileenanne
Are you a diocesan employee, perchance?
Nope, and never have been,
Instead of these vague assertions give us something concrete, Eileenanne. How much did it raise? How did it help “the sick”. How did it enhance “youth ministry’? What are the fruits of “Faith Into Action”? How did it increase the Faith of parishioners?
As for broadcasting the sins of priests. These are public figures who have committed public sin. We aren’t talking about the revealing of private sin. These priests publicly shamed the Catholic Church . However, what is worse is that at least one of them is still a very high profile parish priest and is regularly invited to give retreats etc. Your problem is that you would rather defend the honour of these priests than the honour and integrity of Our Lord and His Church.
Now…where is your evidence???
Evidence of what? Your eagerness to ensure these priests’ sins are not forgotten and are continually made known to more people at home and abroad? It is all over this blog.
As to Faith into Action, I have no recollection of how much was raised or how it was spent. Since we don’t yet have sick and retired priests begging on the streets, I assume that they are being cared for, and obviously the work was done on the Catherdral. I have no knowledge of what money is being spent on Youth Projects. I don’t think it was expected to “increase the faith of parishioners” ( maybe young people – I don’t know). As far as I recall it was entirely a money raising exercise. Possibly you find that distasteful, but the Church doesneed money to finance its work. As I didn’t contribute I wasn’t particularly interested in how it was spent, but as a Registered Charity, the Archdiocese will have been obliged to record the sums in its accounts which are publicly available.
“Eagerness to ensure these priests’ sins are not forgotten…”
That is a highly subjective judgment. You have no idea whether or not Petrus is “eager” to do anything.
You are a papolatrist, one who prefers to keep her head firmly in the sand and appear as a “charitable” type whereas you are – as far as any of us can tell, and judging only on your own words on this blog – anything BUT charitable. You appear to be highly judgmental of those of us who contribute to the CT debates, although utterly tolerant of every heretic and sexual deviant who hits the news.
As for the archdiocesan accounts being publicly available. Try getting hold of them. I had to ask several times, and even contracted the Scottish charity body in charge (name escapes me) who told me that THEY were having difficulty getting the archdiocese to submit its accounts – I think they’d asked something like five times. I’d need to check our reports to verify all specifics, but that is the gist of it. And when the accounts finally arrived on my desk, they told me nothing. Vague and imprecise,. Just like papal statements of recent years.
Faith into Action was a matter of grave concern at the time, with people volunteering to be activists, expressing concern that they were being told to pressurise people into donating money. Similarly, I had a call from a family in the archdiocese who wanted to meet with the CT team to talk about it – they had donated money and regretted it. Priests told me they had concerns about it. A dodgy enterprise, by all accounts (pun most appropriate.)
So, stop jumping to the defence of the indefensible at every turn, Eileenanne. If you think we are impressed with your loyalty to negligent (to say the least) churchmen over loyalty to the Faith, you are seriously mistaken. You’d have been one of those bad-mouthing (St) Athanasius for going against the majority of the bishops in the fourth century – you’d have been wrong then, and you’re wrong now.
I have never defended Faith inti Action. I did not contribute to it. I merely corrected Petrus’s factual inaccuracies.
As to Petrus’s eagerness to spread the word on others’ wrongdoing… well maybe I have misjudged him. It APPEARS that he rushes in to do it at every opportunity but maybe someone has tied him up and forced him to post those contributions against his will. If so, I wholeheartedly apologise to him.
Not good enough, Eileenanne. How can we have confidence in anything you say? You said it raised “substantial sums of money” for “care of the sick, youth ministry” etc but you cannot give any specifics? Why come and defend something that you clearly know little about?
Listen, Eileenanne , your protestations regarding my mentioning of faithless and impure priests are hollow when you utter not one word of protest against this appalling pope. You are a troll , eileenanne and you care little for the Faith.
If people feel that donations they made to a charity have been misused, would it not be better to make a complaint to the Scottish Charities Regulator. That might be a better approach than publishing rumours on the Internet given that what is being alleged amounts to fraud.
Just saying…
Alex,
We gave very detailed and thoroughly sourced reports on Faith Into Action at the time in our newsletter. Believe me, if there had been any false allegations in there, we’d have been hauled into court before you could say “fraud? What fraud?”
Just saying…
Alex No rumours have been published on the Internet and there have been no allegations of fraud. What I’m saying is that the Archdiocese paid a large marketing company a lot of money to promote this and we never really were told were the money was going. The information was vague and I’ve never really heard anyone present any evidence to show that it made a big difference to the lives of people in Glasgow.
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Mr Shaw of the LMS is in an invidious position. Look: we all know that Imbroglio is a grand-stander, he loves being the centre of attention. It’s what drives him. Such people turn viciously on those who stand up to them – viz. Cardinal Burke and others. Our Pope is a vindictive little man in my opinion. So the TLM buys time for 6-12 months of a quiet life (and who knows what will happen in that time? maybe the Lord will gather Francis to Himself).
It’s called the politics of survival and Joseph Shaw is right to follow the judicious line that he does. Show these fiends in Rome that one is combative, conflictual; call them out for what they are, and the mask will drop very, very quickly. This way he keeps them looking elsewhere. He’s right to do so.
Benedict,
Well this thread wasn’t long in going off topic, was it? The topic is Archbishop Tartaglia/new auxiliary, state of the Archdiocese of Glasgow (thank you Petrus for that great synopsis.)
Now, that you have said what you’ve incredibly said about the LMS promotion of papolatry, however, I will have to say that I, absolutely with bells on, disagree.
The problem with this posturing and making political points out of matters of such gravity as the Faith and ancient Mass, is that it confuses the well meaning Catholics who are quite literally lost in a maze of confusion. How many people who have become concerned at the pontiff’s patent hatred of Tradition, will now begin to scratch their heads and say “Well, if the Latin Mass Society say he’s OK….” The trouble with the LMS and Una Voce, their Scots sister, is that they need to keep onside with the pope and bishops, else their little bit of influence will dwindle away. They’ve always settled for the crumbs that fell from their masters’ table and now, after a brief stint in the real Catholic world which was obviously too much for them, it’s back to business as usual. Disappointing, but not too surprising, really, given the history.
Here, we call a spade a spade. If Pope Francis is playing games, we’re not going to join in. But he’s not playing games. The papolatrists are frantically trying to legitimise his position and turn him into a “live and let live” pontiff as if that would be a good thing and not a scandal in itself. But he’s NOT a “live and let live” type in the sense the LMS mean… Think about it… He’s made clear he wants to “live and let live” the homosexuals, the divorced and “remarried” and anybody else of a liberal “bent” (so to speak!) That’s for sure. But “traditionalists”? You gotta be kidding me. Joseph Shaw, what you on?
Pope Francis has mocked the Traditional Faith at every opportunity – remember his mocking of the “counters” of prayers? Our priest thanked us profusely for giving him a spiritual bouquet recently, i.e. for “counting” the prayers/Masses we are offering for his intentions to mark his Silver Jubilee of priesthood – unlike Pope Francis, our priest was delighted with the gift of “counted” prayers – a wee Catholic custom that is obviously much too simple for our sophisticated pontiff, who, conversely, has no problem accepting a blasphemous crucifix in the atheistic symbol of a hammer and sickle. Truly, you couldn’t make this stuff up. Likewise a love of the ancient Mass which Pope Francis openly and without even a glimmer of shame, dismisses as a mere “fashion” suggests that “live and let live” wasn’t included in his list of new year’s resolutions, this past few years, and then some.
I’m disappointed in Joseph Shaw. After all, he’s compiled a fantastic dossier on his blog, revealing the extent of the heresies and other errors peddled by Monsignor Basil Loftus week after week in the (not so) Catholic Times – does he not realise that the buck for dissenters like Loftus, rests on Pope Francis’ desk? There’s nothing “traditional” about a Pope who allows a priest to lead whole Catholic communities astray by writing heretical and blasphemous rubbish in publications sold across all the countries of the UK every single week of the year.
Now, if anyone wishes to continue to discuss Joseph Shaw’s belief that the Pope is a closet “traditionalist”, or that Joseph Shaw is very clever to not tell the truth about this awful pontiff in the interests of confusing the powers-that-be in Rome (for whatever obscure purpose he thinks it will serve), please do so on the General Discussion thread.
I, for one, wish to use this thread for its intended purpose, which is to discuss the question of whether it would be better for Archbishop Tartaglia to resign, rather than roll out a new auxiliary bishop, with a necessarily limited role, while leaving, intact, the major problems within the archdiocese. Frankly, I know there are clergy who are itching to have a new “boss” – one who will talk to them!
And since the bishops, by their own admission, are describing Scotland as a mission land, surely we need an archbishop who can hold the confidence of both priests and faithful? An archbishop with sufficient energy, including physical energy, to do what he can to save the Church from extinction in these parts. Parishes are closing and merging all over the place in Glasgow – one near where I was brought up in the north of Glasgow is now (I’m reliably informed) a boxing club. The state of the Church in Glasgow is enough to give anybody a heart attack, so I recommend that Archbishop Tartaglia takes early retirement or a very long rest somewhere (my spare room is at his disposal – WOW would I have fun helping him to “recuperate”!) and let Archbishop A.N. Other do the hard work of restoring the traditional Catholic religion to Glasgow.
And so, I hope, say all of us? 😀
Ed.,
If you do manage to persuade Archbishop Tartaglia to stay in your spare room (perhaps St.Jude might have some success with that particular aim?), I would expect you to keep a video diary of the whole experience. I can just picture the type of daily entry:
Week Three: Thurs. 4.15 a.m. – It’s getting harder and harder to wake the Archbishop for Matins. I may have to consider removing his mattress……
One good thing about Mr Shawe: he put Dr Raymond Edwards in his place, in response to Edward’s dossier of filth on the FSSPX, entitled ‘Catholic Traditionalism’, Catholic Truth Society, 2008. An utterly toxic publication, libellous, and repugnant even to the most papolotrous of the LMS faction.
A former friend, who had heretofore been tolerant of my SSPX sympathies, reading this booklet in good faith, immediately disowned me. Actually, he did more than that: he now regards me as some kind of anti-Christ minion, one rung in the ladder below paedophile priests and Satanists. What is more, he is actually quite sincere, certainly pious. Such was the persuasiveness of Edward’s calumny, you see. Consequently, I cannot ever be reconciled with my former friend — any attempt to do so would likely involve me having holy water thrown in my face accompanied by the words “Repent! Repent, evildoer!” *grasping his crucifix*.
I tell you, I have never encountered religious extremist fundamentalism of the kind among neo-Catholics. Even the ISIS cohort sort of know that their whole thing is a nonsense, their main motivation being the bloodshed. But these neo-Catholics really are indoctrinated. Of course, they insist we’re the mad ones.
I swear, I am not exaggerating.
Muffin
If you had been a paedophile priest he would probably have wanted a “closer” relationship.
So you’ve had a lucky escape.
Editor
I have posted a comment on Joe Shaw on the General Discussion thread as you requested.
You wrote: “discuss the question of whether it would be better for Archbishop Tartaglia to resign, rather than roll out a new auxiliary bishop, with a necessarily limited role.”
I think it’s a very big mistake to bring in an auxiliary when the archdiocese is failing so badly. There is a lot of change coming, already parishes are closing and people are having to adjust, so I think the archbishop would be doing the best thing for himself and the diocese if he resigned on health grounds and let a new archbishop take on the challenge.
Fidelis,
Thank you. I will take a look at your comment on the GD thread in a minute.
I agree that it is a mistake to appoint a new auxiliary at this time. I think instead, given that the bishops are recognising the apostasy now, by naming Scotland as a mission land, they should take this opportunity to try some experimenting – by handing over at least one of their redundant churches to the SSPX. That would undoubtedly have a beneficial effect, and is surely worth a try.
Please note, all off topic comments will be deleted from now on.
Interestingly, even the Scottish Catholic Observer is reporting the (not so breaking) news that Scotland is now mission territory. Wonders will never cease…
I suppose for the atheist and humanist types Scotland now being mission territory will be great news.
It’s an ill wind right enough.
Frankier.
You are so right – the atheists will be over the moon when they see that the bishops are admitting that Scots Catholics have abandoned God and the Church. Its terribly sad.
I wonder what the missionary priests from abroad will actually be doing. Will they go from house to house or just be “supplying” in parishes to say Masses? It will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
Margaret Mary
I haven’t heard yet what they will be doing here in the Galloway Diocese but I doubt they will be carrying out the pre VAT 2 type parish missions.
Since Bishop Emeritus Taylor, even at 90 years of age, is still one of the busiest priests in the diocese I think they might be used to give him a rest.
Actually, Bishop Nolan of Galloway said explicitly that the priests from abroad (India, I think) will not be just helping out, providing more Masses, seems there is real missionary work planned – whatever they mean by that, these days. Courses on how to interpret the “hermeneutic of continuity” and “Accepting Vatican II lock, stock and all 16 documents”, no doubt. We shall see. Soon.
N O T I C E . . .
Just a reminder that I will be closing down the June threads within a day or two, so if anyone has any last word and testament to make, get to it!
Unfortunately, I cannot place Damian Thompson’s recent remarks about ++Tartaglia hopes to move to Rome, so I imagine any appointment of an auxiliary will be precursor to his resignation and relocation.
Constantine,
Damian Thompson is not too reliable. If you recall, he was none too happy when Archbishop Nichols did not receive the red hat first time around, arguing that since he had made such a good job of organising Pope Benedict’s visit to the UK, he was surely entitled… ! Crackers.
So I wouldn’t pay too much attention to his speculations about Archbishop Tartaglia and a future Rome appointment. If I’m wrong, of course, I’ll eat a hat – Cardinal Vincent Nichols’ red one!
You’re probably right. And, of course, they’ve both done nothing about Fr Dermot Fenlon who is still languishing in exile and perpetual prayer with nothing but a pint of sherry (his usual apparently) for comfort. No house in a Northumberland village for him.
http://freethebirminghamoratorythree.blogspot.co.uk/
Constantine,
There’s nothing on that link to tell us any detail of the Fr Dermot Fenlon story – if there is one. I don’t have time to go about the place researching right now, but from my quick look at the link you posted, I can only see stuff about Cardinal Newman/archives…
Enlighten me…
OMG… where have you been all your life. Damian Thompson’s children’s souls (or childrens’ souls [I know your a stickler for grammar]) depended on the Birmingham Oratory Three.
I will have to research his previous Daily Telegraph blog (before he given the heave-ho [along with Ruth Gledhill at the Times]) and get back to you.
Constantine,
I didn’t even know DT was married. Or should that be IS married … 😀
While I’m on, I must say the place has gone dead. Not much to say, I suppose, about an auxiliary bishop whose name we don’t know, in a country awaiting an influx of priests from India.
I’ve been very busy working on the August edition as we are keen to get it out early this time, for reasons with which I won’t bore you – or, as the un-grammatical would say “for reasons I won’t bore you with…”
I’ll do my best to post a fresh topic soon, so don’t get mad – get even by using the General Discussion thread to raise new issues. Or, you can stick around here and discuss something mind-boggling like, why won’t they make me an adviser to the soon to be appointed new auxiliary Bishop for Glasgow? Now THERE’s a thought…
He’s not. And he doesn’t have children either.
esteemed editor,
Puzzled I am about the idiosyncrasies of your wonderful creation Catholic Truth Scotland.
I am flummoxed as to where to post a comment, and thinking I have done so it disappears into the maw of webbienet.
I do a bit of commenting on various sites (mainly to do with the great fraud of global warming) using my wordpress account.
I just posted something and was told it would appear in ‘Thread 8’.
Sorry where is ‘thread 8’?
Waterside,
That’s a new one on me. I’ll investigate.
A short while later…
I investigated and found a post under a different name (Patrick….) on the General Discussion (8) thread
That is the correct place for it, anyway, Waterside, because it’s not to do with the topic of a new auxiliary to assist Archbishop of Glasgow/apostasy in Glasgow.
You need to make sure you’ve changed your name where it says DISPLAY NAME PUBLICLY AS… in your dashboard. Make sure it says Waterside4 and not Patrick ….
That’s where the confusion has arisen. Just as well I’m a Miss Marple fan. Watching her, has paid dividends!
I expect Muffin Mans prediction of the VG Conroy becoming the new Auxiliary will come to pass.
I realise that, whoever it is, he is unlikely to be a clear sighted individual keen to initiate change, he will likely just be “more of the same”. With Francis’ election and the revelations surrounding the sneaky conduct of Murphy-O’Connor and other Cardinals, its obvious that prelates gerrymander things to get “their man”, who will inevitably be someone who thinks exactly the same as they do, or at least is willing to go along with it.
If the Scottish Bishops were in charge of a private company, as opposed to part of the Catholic Church, they would all long-since have been sacked due to incompetence and gross negligence – based on their own performances. Falling mass attendance, falling numbers of priests, often poor quality of priests, could barely buy a vocation, church closures, every seminary closed, a pathetic standard of catechesis.
It is a frankly dismal record, one which could scarcely be worse if they had been actively and strenuously trying to sink the Church in this country. As it is, they can portray themselves as being somewhat acceptable because their colleagues elsewhere have managed to effect an even more complete destruction.
Given his poor health, ++Tartaglia is not the man to change this. I think that, because he is well meaning and relatively new to the role, he is being “given a chance”, rather than just bundled out the door. I dont resent him being given a chance, but this is not the time for inaction or treading water. The Scottish Church really needs a rocket up its jacksie to reverse things before its too late.
As it is, mainstream Scottish Catholicism often seems exceptionally superficial; the people in the pews are not hugely different in attitude or behaviour than secular people. They are mostly ignorant of Church teaching and ignore or reject what they do know. It seems that to be Catholic has become little more than a tribal group identity – and even in that much reduced role, it is eclipsed by Celtic FC. We need action now, else the whole edifice could come crashing down at any minute.
We really need someone in with vigour, energy and the appetite for a new direction (rather, an old direction – tradition), not ‘more of the same’.
It would really be remarkable, considering the record laid about above, if the Bishops do not realise that change is needed. It is already remarkable that they do not seem to realise that the current health of the Scottish Church is the direct result of the actions of themselves and their predecessors.
I wonder if the Bishops even understand their role in the modern era? They do not govern the church, they do not teach, they do not guarantee standards (of liturgy, of priests etc). Their main role seems to be to represent the Church in photo-ops (usually relating to ecumenism or similar dross). I have heard of a grand total of one intervention by a Bishop in a parish, and that was only to rebuke the priest for being orthodox (apparently he had mentioned purgatory at a funeral – what was he thinking?).
I do not bear ++Tartaglia any ill-will, but its clear his health is not robust enough for the role he is in. I think he should resign and allow someone to take over who has a bit of energy and will not be distracted by health issues.
Alternatively, could it not be the case that we get a new Archbishop and ++Tartaglia becomes the auxiliary instead? Surely after Pope Benedicts suspicious demise, anything is possible.
Was it +Roche [Leeds] who also went ballroom dancing, or am I imagining things?
+Roche closed-down an attempt to create a bi-ritual parish, but heavily weighted to Tradition – by a great Scotch priest.
Sixupman,
It’s the whisky that’s “Scotch” – the priests and the rest of the people are “Scots”. And I know what you’re thinking – the Scots people and Scotch whisky are really one and the same… you DO have a point! It certainly seems that way out in the town when the pubs and the clubs close (not that I’d know, you understand…. speaking speculatively!)
Sixupman
If Bishop Roche did go ballroom dancing it must have been him who was imagining things.
He must have imagined that he was Victor Sylvester.
I’ve always had a soft spot for Archbishop Tartaglia. He certainly seems better than the rest. I really do not know why he lets himself be led astray by the rest of the “Bishops Conference”. I mean he will have to answer before Almighty God for his stewardship. He must know this. I wonder if the promising evangelical spirit of newly appointed bishops simply evaporates after consecration to the episcopacy? Has collegiality something to do with it? Absolutely.
Crofterlady,
Well said. I had an email exchange with the then Father Philip Tartaglia, before he went to the Scots College in Rome and from there to be Bishop of Paisley then Archbishop of Glasgow. We were in agreement about most things and my initial reaction on hearing that he had been appointed to Paisley was one of delight.
Our email exchange was a result of a letter he had published in the Scottish Catholic Observer in which he expressed concerns about the way instructions from the Vatican – in this case about the use of Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion – were ignored by the Scots bishops. He asked what a priest should do in these circumstances? Obey the Pope or the Bishops? I was home from England on holiday, with no access to my computer, so hand-wrote a letter to thank him for his published letter and say, in this case, we obey the Pope blah blah. When I arrived home there was an email awaiting me and our correspondence took off from there. It’s since died a death, as you can imagine.
I can’t remember them all, but there are plenty of sayings/proverbs about the way “power” changes people. Sure changed him. Sadly.
Well Editor and Crofterlady, Bishops Egan and Davies in England don’t let the dreaded Bishops’ Conference get in their way, do they?
It’s true that the Bishops Egan and Davies have been quite open about their support for the traditional Mass but I’ve heard that they do get side-lined by the other bishops.
It was a welcome surprise that the “Magic Circle”was breached, but that quasi-masonic clique atill holds sway.
There is a live Q & A on Facebook with a Scottish Minister this Thursday.
https://www.facebook.com/TheScottishGovernment
I’ve just looked at that and there is this question and the minister’s answer:
Joseph Lewis Reid Hi Alex. How do you propose the Scottish Government can improve the safety of LGBT residents in Scotland? Especially with trans* people still facing lots of violence according to the most recent Equality Scotland report. Thanks!
2 · 16 mins
The Scottish Government: We are implementing revisions to the Same Sex Marriage Act in relation to the needs of Transgender people. The focus is on educating people on the needs of the Transgender community and tightening our laws when it comes to dealing with any kinds of violence, abuse or inappropriate behaviour. Thanks Alex.
There’s also a few questions about the Named Person Scheme if you click on where it says 25 more questions.
I’ll post this on the NP thread as well in case anyone else wants to question Alex Neil.
Thanks for re-posting that Facebook link. I should have posted it on the NP thread in the first place. I’ve apologised over there as well – so humble, LOL !
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