October Synod: Is Schism Inevitable?

October Synod: Is Schism Inevitable?

Do you agree with the commentators who believe that Vatican permission for Communion for couples in sinful unions is “a done deal”? 

Is schism inevitable?  If so, what on earth are Catholics to do to keep the Faith?  Do you agree with the solutions proposed by the commentators in the video?

Comments (318)

  • Nicky

    That’s a fantastic article by the editor of Christian Order. He doesn’t hit and miss the wall.

    I completely agree that every bishop attending the synod, especially Pope Francis should read it. If that doesn’t wake them up, nothing will.

    July 30, 2015 at 12:44 am
    • Michaela

      Touché Nicky!

      July 30, 2015 at 6:46 pm
  • Loyal Traditional Catholic

    I posted a question before and it doesn’t seem to have survived moderation. Perhaps I didn’t communicate the question too well, and because of the silly user name I chose, the moderator may have suspected I was a troll. I will choose a more sensible user name from now on. I was sincere. I comment here only occasionally so I don’t have an account. I shall endevour to be as respectful as possible this time, for I would not want to be suspected of trolling, which I would not do here, because I agree with this blogs aims.

    The question was as follows (roughly): My gut instinct is we should always seek the Truth and the good of souls. Therefore, we should hope and pray that the synod does not lead to a break from tradition.

    But I have been thinking, and I suspected I was wrong to think this, would it not be beneficial should the synod lead to schism? This way, would more souls would come to realise that there is a crisis in the Church and would come to accept Tradition? i hope this doesn’t sound immoral.

    I suspect my thinking is in fact not a very Catholic way of thinking? But I feel it is still a valid point. I wondered what people here thought?

    July 30, 2015 at 1:48 am
    • editor

      LTC,

      I’m afraid I didn’t release your post yesterday, not because there was anything wrong with the question – it was a good post, but the username coupled with the email address suggested trouble ahead, as the song goes, and so I didn’t release it. I’m sure you were just having a bit of fun, but, not knowing you or anything about you, I couldn’t be sure of that at first reading. Anyway, your comment is very welcome and goes to the heart of this topic.

      Of course, ideally, the Synod should conclude with a resounding re-affirmation of Catholic teaching on marriage and on the reception of the Sacraments – that would be the correct and perfect end to these months of scandal.

      However, it is unlikely, sadly, that such a resounding affirmation will come, and in the event that there is more scandal, with ambiguous statements which may encourage sacrilegious Communions in the name of “mercy”, then, yes, it would be better if the sheep and the goats were separated for all the world to see.

      This will happen when we will see the more orthodox prelates speaking out again, refusing to accept any such weakening of the Eucharistic discipline, and others, the dissenters, who will delightfully welcome what they will realise is, in fact, a weakening of the application of the Gospel teaching on the indissolubility of marriage and the reception of the Sacraments, hitherto always linked to the recipient being in a state of grace. I have heard priests say that if their bishop instructs them to give Communion to people in these non-marital unions, they would not do so, which means there would be pockets of resistance – albeit limited, since the majority may opt just go along to get along as they’ve been doing these past fifty years, despite so many claims of concern at the post-Vatican II “reforms”.

      To your core question, then… were it not for the fact that the Pope himself is manifestly on the side of the dissenters, I would say, with you, better that the schism comes. However, unless the Pope performs a U-turn and shows Cardinal Kasper & Co. the door, I’m not sure how such a schism would occur in practise. Let’s hope we never have to find out!

      July 30, 2015 at 6:14 pm
    • Nicky

      “would it not be beneficial should the synod lead to schism? This way, would more souls would come to realise that there is a crisis in the Church and would come to accept Tradition?”

      I think that is already happening. I’ve met people who are asking about the SSPX now, because they can see that the prophecies of Quito on the family and Akita on the cardinals versus cardinals, bishops versus bishops, are coming true from their eyes.

      If the Kasper group get their way and something is published which allows Communion for adulterers, I absolutely believe that more Catholics will turn away from the mainstream Church and seek more faithful pastors.

      July 30, 2015 at 7:03 pm
      • Nicky

        Editor, please change “are coming true from their eyes.” to “before their eyes”. Sorry for typo.

        July 30, 2015 at 7:04 pm
    • Margaret Mary

      I agree with Nicky that it is already happening that more Catholics are realising that the crisis in the Church is getting more serious by the minute. If the final synod document does allow for a loophole for Communion for the divorced and remarried (in quotes) I think more of them will move to traditional chapels.

      July 30, 2015 at 9:04 pm
  • Athanasius

    Loyal Traditional Catholic

    I understand perfectly your way of thinking and it is not immoral. What you really hope for is that the enemies of the Faith within the high clergy, and they are most certainly present in full knowledge of their deviant theology, will finally show themselves for what they are, enter into formal schism and open the eyes of so many Catholics who have hitherto believed them to be sincere.

    Sadly, I don’t see that happening. These Churchmen and their blind followers know how essential it is that they stay within the Church if the revolution is to be successful. What is much more likely to happen, then, is that no formal break with Traditional moral teaching will be announced post-Synod. Rather, the silent nod and wink will be given by radical bishops in their various dioceses that the general tone of discussions during the Synod means that Catholics no longer have to take the Church’s moral and Sacramental disciplinary teaching too seriously. In other words, it will be revolt by the back door.

    I hope this answers your question.

    July 30, 2015 at 9:27 am
    • editor

      Athanasius,

      “What is much more likely to happen, then, is that no formal break with Traditional moral teaching will be announced post-Synod. Rather, the silent nod and wink will be given by radical bishops in their various dioceses that the general tone of discussions during the Synod means that Catholics no longer have to take the Church’s moral and Sacramental disciplinary teaching too seriously”

      Spot on – that is it exactly. That’s the danger. Revolt, as you say, by the back door. Devious and deadly revolt. How revolting is that? 😯

      (If we didn’t laugh, we would cry – buckets!)

      July 30, 2015 at 6:16 pm
  • John Kearney

    In my parish divorced and remarried people go to Communion because they follow their ‘conscience\ and do not heed the Church. They completely ignore Jesus of course and try to pretend he was not serious just giving us an ideal. Of course in this matter as in so many others there is a group of people they completely ignore -the children who suffer after their parents divorce. I have spent most of my life now befriending children of broken homes and broken marriages of just poor single parents with children. Most of their children will go on to failed relationships and failed marriages because they never knew what marriage is – they never experienced the love of both a father and mother and the gift of this love to themselves so that they could give it to others. Let me give you an example. I have a grandaughter who has loving natural parents, the word natural parent is now used by children, since so many now experience divorce. She has a friend whom she was happy with until the father walked out on her and her two brothers to live with someone else. The mother has since then had a couple of ‘boyfriends’

    One day they were visiting me and my granddaughter who goes to cheerleading, plays the violin, and is now off to a continental holiday was being praised for some accomplishment and then another but the poor friend just stood there. I tried to find if there were anything she could boast of but got little reply. She was once a happy little girl. but now she seldom sees my granddaughter and has few friends since she goes to her father’s house then her mother’s house. The contrast was shameful. Then there was the girl of 16 who found me in Church one day to tell me she had just phoned her father whom she had never met. When she said who she was he swore at her and told her to go to hell. I can give so many other examples. It is admitted that the greatest cause of poverty in this country is divorce and single motherhood.

    But the material loss is nothing to the emotional loss of these families. Yes there are single mothers who do so much and sacrifice themselves for their children but we must realise a broken family is a hurting family. What does your priest preach after the Gospel condemning Divorce. In many cases you will hear it muttered that Marriage is an Ideal. What an insult to Jesus, he only taught ideals. Let me say to anyone who is reading this who is in the ‘conscience’ club On this question you are selfish to the core.

    July 30, 2015 at 3:39 pm
    • editor

      John,

      Your account of the suffering inflicted on children by divorce and the subsequent serial-cohabitation scenarios, is poignant and one with which I was familiar myself in my teaching days. I remember one Head Teacher saying emphatically “Nobody will EVER convince me that children from these broken homes do not suffer.”

      And he was right. Yet here we have the Pope himself, and bishops and priests refusing to call the divorce and “remarriage” spade a spade; refusing to denounce cohabitation.

      Now, don’t get me wrong. I understand only too well, the unpopularity that comes with daring to speak out against any of the now “acceptable” (by Society if not God) immoralities.

      I tried it when I attended the meeting reported on the Named Persons thread, where Alex Neil MSP was supposedly there to listen to our concerns.

      I suggested that if marriage and the family were restored – one husband and wife, married for life, living in the same home as their offspring – then it could only be beneficial, and child abuse would be much less likely to occur, whereas the current system, where children are living with a mother who brings home a string of boyfriends etc. puts the children at risk of abuse. That’s the system now. Cohabitation / serial boyfriends (i.e. serial adultery) is the norm – little wonder we have children being abused and taking to drugs and prostitution as part of their 16th birthday celebrations – in a manner of speaking. You’ll get my point (I hope!)

      However, one lady was “offended” at that suggestion and later a homosexual young man was “offended” that a young mother present didn’t want her children watching cartoons where the family was made up of a child/children and “two daddies”.

      Now, we’ve moved on, fast, to Transgender Land, and us homophobes are now transphobes. You just gotta love this new tolerance!

      You are correct, John, to highlight the “emotional loss” in today’s broken families. It’s nothing short of tragic. It’s actually a most wonderful opportunity for the Pope to show Christ’s teaching on marriage in all its glory and point out the benefits of it, in terms of emotional and physical well being as well as morally and spiritually. But the only change in lifestyle that Pope Francis is calling for, is one which will save the “eco-system”.

      Laugh? I thought I’d never start.

      July 30, 2015 at 6:30 pm
      • Michaela

        WOW, I think a lot of us are wishing we could have seen Alex Neil’s face when you suggested restoring the nuclear family, real marriage. That would have been a sight to behold, I bet!

        Editor,

        I saw your plea for more posts on this thread and I’m making up for lost time now, as I can see a few great comments I’ve not properly answered until now.
        I hope I get moved up the pay scale asap – LOL !

        July 30, 2015 at 6:57 pm
      • editor

        Michaela,

        You have SHOT up the pay-scale! Watch for that cheque in the post any day now!

        July 30, 2015 at 11:17 pm
      • Frankier

        Ed.

        I know Alex well, so I will have nothing said about him. 😨

        He’s a genuinely nice guy although I would love to have met him the night he posed with the “newlyweds” after the introduction of “gay” marriages.

        Both Alex’s grandmother and mother-in-law were Catholics (lapsed) and were from good Catholic families. This happened in the days when Catholics treated the “turncoats”, as they were so uncharitably termed,
        like lepers.

        July 30, 2015 at 9:10 pm
      • editor

        Well, Frankier, take a look at the Facebook page which has been posted on the Named Person thread and read his assurances of support for the LGBT and “trans” “communities”. If you still won’t have anything said about him, so be it… see you at the next “Pride” march… we’ll be the ones praying the rosary on the pavement!

        July 30, 2015 at 11:07 pm
      • Frankier

        Surely you must have known it was tongue in the cheek when I said I would have nothing said about him. That’s the reason for the wee yellow face.

        As for the nasty “Pride” remark, I certainly hope that is tongue in the cheek. If not, it is cowardly and a remark from the gutter.

        July 31, 2015 at 8:44 pm
      • editor

        Yes, I didn’t think you could possibly be seriously defending Alex Neill. Just as my response is very obviously a joke, and I’d have expected you to realise that by now.

        I think I’m going to give up joking with you, Frankier. I know I’ve said that before but I joke so instinctively that I forget. I’ll do my best not to forget again, because you appear to misinterpret things a lot, or are incredibly sensitive, I’m not sure which, and can be excessively rude over absolutely nothing. I’m not given to making “cowardly” remarks “from the gutter”, in case you hadn’t noticed. There was nothing “nasty” in my post which was meant as a little bit of humour. Last bit of humour directed at you. I usually apologise if I’ve inadvertently offended some over-sensitive soul but in this case, it’s so obvious that I was poking fun, that I’m not going to do so. If you don’t like it here, don’t log in. If you do, try not to cause trouble.

        Now, let that be an end to it. I get sick and tired of people – and you do this a lot – turning our discussions and innocent remarks into a battle. I’m too busy for such nonsense. I have a tendency to joke in my comments – get over it.

        July 31, 2015 at 11:11 pm
      • crofterlady

        Excuse my ignorance, Frankier, whilst I know the definition of a “turncoat”, I don’t understand its meaning in your comment. Can you explain? Thanks.

        August 3, 2015 at 2:41 pm
      • Loyal Traditional Catholic

        Everybody who doesn’t absolutely embrace transsexualism is either transphobic, or at the very least ‘cissexist’ (a real word).

        July 31, 2015 at 7:54 pm
  • Michaela

    Sorry “post people” should be “most people”. I also meant to say the only thing would be if there were any bishops or priests who couldn’t go along with it, what would they do? They can hardly set up their own church, that would be putting them in the wrong.

    July 30, 2015 at 6:51 pm
  • Crouchback

    And what of Bishop Williamson…!!!

    Shurely the Vatican will have to offer him an apology. …OK we think your nuts….but have you seen some of our home grown freaks…..

    Pax Tecum…..???

    July 30, 2015 at 8:41 pm
    • Margaret Mary

      Crouchback

      LOL !

      July 30, 2015 at 9:02 pm
  • editor

    Well, if this doesn’t take the biscuit, I don’t know what does.

    Cardinal Nichols, Westminster, keen to spread the good news – i.e. “gay” Masses
    .

    July 31, 2015 at 6:54 pm
    • spudeater

      Ed.,

      As someone with their ear to the ground and their finger on the pulse (not easy for anyone the wrong side of, er, 30), could you please investigate whether the rumour is true that Cardinal Danneels’ rainbow ‘vestment’ is actually no longer in his possession but has been despatched via U.P.S. (Unnatural Parcel Service) to an address in the Victoria area of London?

      July 31, 2015 at 11:40 pm
      • editor

        Spudeater,

        You’re a cheeky one! Wrong side of 30 – me? Moi? You kidding? I was the wrong side of 30 quite some time ago, truth be known (which I hope and pray it never is) !

        As for your question – haven’t you noticed I’ve got a new job now, selling books? How am I to find the time to investigate Cardinal Danneels’ rainbow vestments – gimme a (tea) break…

        I can say, without fear of contraception, that nothing would surprise me, and a certain prelate in the Victoria area of London would certainly cut a fine figure in said rainbow dress…

        I’m wondering, too, if the Unnatural Parcel Service (UPS) is part of the same group as the Catholic Truth Book Sales & Delivery Service (CTBSDS)?

        I tell you what, retail is hard work. I’ll be glad when dear Kevin has run out of books to sell !

        July 31, 2015 at 11:52 pm
      • spudeater

        Ed.,

        I fear your modesty has got the better of you. I’ve seen you on the BBC’s ‘Big Questions’ and you didn’t look a day over 35 – but maybe that was down to the fact it was a pilot episode from 1972.

        Wherever THAT garb is now, I’m banking on BOTH moth and rust doing it some serious and irreparable damage!

        August 1, 2015 at 12:33 am
      • editor

        Spudeater,

        You angling for an autograph? Oops, I’ve just seen the “1972” crack – you’re diving down the pay scale, so take care!

        August 4, 2015 at 12:04 pm
  • Pat McKay

    Supply priest at my local parish Sat evening Mass. Said he’d ‘been putting a lot of work into preparations for the October Sin-Nod’. He mentioned ‘people who are in irregular marriages’ and the ‘hurtful things the Church has said about them in the past’….

    Methinks it’s beginning to look more and more like the ‘done deal’.

    August 3, 2015 at 10:15 am
    • Christina

      Pat McKay, ‘Sin-Nod’ – LOVE it!

      August 4, 2015 at 11:28 am
      • Pat McKay

        Come to think of it, the fact that he dubbed some people’s marriages as being ‘irregular’ is surely hurtful.

        Never mind, all will soon be well for them. At a stroke, it’ll be ‘anything goes’.

        August 4, 2015 at 1:46 pm
  • Petrus

    Here’s some quotes to help you understand this a little better.

    This Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, continues to exist (subsists) in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him. Nevertheless, many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside its visible confines.” Lumen Gentium.

    A) “We must mention another fruitful cause of evil by which the Church is afflicted at present [I like that: “the present world,” and “at present”], namely: Indifferentism, that vicious [“vice-filled”] manner of thinking which holds that eternal salvation can be obtained by the profession of any faith, provided that a man’s morals are good and decent. Seriously consider the testimony of the Savior that some are against Christ because they are not with Christ, that they scatter who do not gather with Him, and therefore without doubt they will perish in eternity unless they hold to the Catholic faith and observe it WHOLE and INVIOLATE.” Pope Gregory XVI

    B) “If anyone says that the condition of the faithful and that of those who have not yet come to the true faith is equal: let him be anathema.” I Vatican Council

    C) “Neither the true faith nor eternal salvation is to be found outside the Holy Catholic Church. Neither salvation nor sanctification can be found outside the Catholic Church. It is a SIN to believe that there is salvation outside the Castholic Church.” Ven. Pope Pius IX

    D) “All graces given to those outside the Church are given them for the purpose of bringing them inside the Church.” St. Augustine

    All men are called to this Catholic unity which prefigures and promotes universal peace, and in different ways belong to it, or are related to it: The Catholic faithful, others who believe in Christ, and finally all mankind, are called by God’s grace to salvation. Lumen Gentium

    A) “It is an error in a matter of divine truth to imagine the Church as invisible, by which many Christian communities, although they differ from each other in their faith, are united by a bond that is invisible to the senses. Pope Pius XII

    B) “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all can be saved.” Lateran Council IV Pope Innocent III

    C) “Faith in Christ cannot be maintained pure and unalloyed when it is not protected and supported by faith in the Church. Faith in Christ and faith in the Church stand together. If any man does not enter the Church, or if any man departs from her, he is far from the hope of life and salvation.” Pope Pius XI

    D) “Heretics and schismatics are excluded from the Church because they have separated from her and belong to her only as deserters belong to the army from which they have deserted.” Catechism of Trent

    These Christians are indeed in some real way joined to us in the Holy Spirit for, by His gifts and graces, His sanctifying power is also active in them, and He has strengthened some of them even to the shedding of their blood.” Lumen Gentium

    A) “The Catholic Church alone is the Body of Christ, of which He is Head and Savior. We must always remember the unity of the Mystical Body outside which there is no salvation; for their is no entering into salvation outside the Church. Truth, grace, the Sacraments: all the certain norms for our journey to God come from the Church. The Catholic Church is the extension of Jesus Christ in time and space. Outside this Body the Holy Spirit does not give life to anyone. Those who are enemies ot unity do not participate in the charity of divine life; those outside the Church do not possess the Holy Spirit. A Christian must fear nothing so much as to be separated from the Body of Christ. If he is separated from Christ’s Body, he is not one of His members; he is not fed by His Spirit.” Pope Paul VI

    B) “If those unwilling to be at agreement in the Church be slain outside the Church, they cannot attain to the rewards for the Church.” Pope Pelagius II

    C) “No one, even if he pour out his blood for the name of Christ, can be saved unless he remain within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.” Council of Florence, Pope Eugene IV

    The Moslems together with us adore the one merciful God.” Lumen Gentium

    A) “The Holy Catholic Church teaches that God cannot truly be adored except within its fold.” Pope St. Gregory the Great

    B) “The Catholic Church alone preserves true worship.” Pope Pius XI

    C) “A true worshipper is one whose mind has not been defiled with any false belief.” Pope St. Leo the Great

    One cannot charge with the sin of separation those at present born into communities separated from full communion with the Catholic Church and, in them, brought up in the faith of Christ; and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers. For, men who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in some, though imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church. Decree on Ecumenism, “Unitatis Redintegratio,” Nov. 21, 1964

    A) Since it is recognized that it is extremely rare to find men entirely devoid of religious sense, some people entertain the hope that nations, in spite of their differing religious viewpoints, may be brought to unite as brothers in the profession of certain doctrines as a common foundation of the spiritual life. Certainly, such efforts as these cannot receive the approval of Catholics, for they rest on the false opinion which regards any religion whatsoever to be more-or-less praiseworthy and good. Those who hold this opinion are in grave error; they even debase the concept of the true religion and lapse, little by little, into naturalism and atheism. Pope Pius XI

    B) It is error to believe that Protestantism is nothing other than a different form of the same true Christian religion, in which it is permitted to please God equally as in the Catholic Church. There is no equality between the condition of those who have adhered to Catholic truth by the gift of Faith and of those who follow a false religion. Venerable Pope Pius IX 

    C) Christ is one and His Church is one; one is the Faith, and one the people cemented together into the strong unity of a Body. That unity cannot be split nor cut up into fragments. Nothing that is separated from the parent stock can ever live or breathe apart – ALL hope of its salvation is lost. If a person calls himself a “Christian,” the Devil too often calls himself “Christ” — and is a liar! Just as the Devil is not Christ, so likewise a man cannot be taken as a Christian if he does not abide in Christ’s Gospel and in the true Faith. St. Cyprian, Doctor of the Church

    D) Children baptized in other communions cease to be members of the Church when, after reaching the age of reason, they make formal profession of heresy; as, for example, by receiving communion in a non-Catholic church. St. Augustine

    The life of grace, faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church. (same source as No.12)

    A) As Christ is the head of the Church, so is the Holy Ghost her soul. ONLY those are really to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and who profess the true Faith and who have not unhappily withdrawn from the Body or, for grave reasons, been excluded by legitimate authority. It follows that those who are divided in faith or in government cannot be living in one Body such as this, and cannot be living the life of its one Divine Spirit. Pius XII

    B) Outside this Body, the Holy Spirit gives life to NO ONE; those outside the Church do not possess the Holy Spirit. The Catholic Church alone is the Body of Christ, and if a man be separated from the Body of Christ he is not one of His members nor is he fed by His Spirit. Pope Paul VI

    C) If a member be cut off … his life is lost. The Spirit does not follow the amputated member … Outside the Church you can find everything except salvation: you can have dignities, Sacraments, the Gospels, the faith – and preach it, too! – but never can you find salvation except in the Catholic Church. St. Augustine

    The brethren divided from us also carry out many liturgical actions of the Christian religion. These actions most certainly can truly engender a life of grace and, one must say, can aptly give access to the communion of salvation. Decree on Ecumenism

    A) By means of religious Indifferentism, crafty men deceitfully pretend that people can attain eternal salvation in the practice of any religion, as though there could be any fellowship of light with darkness. These men conclude that not only sons of the Church but also others, however estranged they may remain from Catholic unity, are equally on the road to salvation and are able to achieve everlasting life. Words fail Us from utter HORROR in detesting and abhorring this new and terrible insult! Ven. Pope Pius IX

    B) The Church alone has the legitimate worship of sacrifice and the salutary use of the Sacraments. Hence, to possess true holiness, we must belong to her and embrace her, like those who entered the Ark to escape perishing in the Flood. Catechism of Trent

    C) The Holy Catholic Church teaches that God cannot be adored except within her fold; she affirms that all those who are separated from her will not be saved. Pope St. Gregory the Great.

    D) No one is as far from the Pasch of the Lord as heretics. They can have no part with Him who are enemies of this saving Mystery. For they deny the Gospel and contradict the Creed, and they cannot celebrate the Paschal Feast with us. And though they dare to claim the name of “Christian,” nevertheless every creature whose Head is Christ scorns them. Pope St. Leo the Great

    In certain circumstances, it is allowable, indeed desirable, that Catholics join in prayer with their separated brethren. (same source as No.12)

    A) No one must either pray nor sing psalms with heretics, and whosoever shall communicate with those who are cut off from the communion of the Church, whether clergy or layman: Let him be excommunicated. Council of Carthage (Regional)

    B) If any clergyman or layman shall go into the synagogue of the Jews or to the meetings of heretics to join in prayer with them, let them be deposed and deprived of Communion. III Council of Constantinople (Ecumenical)

    C) That the faithful and clergy should pray for Christian unity under the leadership of heretics can in no way be tolerated. Ven. Pope Pius IX

    D) Is it permitted for Catholics to be present at, or take part in, conventions, gatherings, meetings, or societies of non-Catholics which aim to associate together under a single agreement all who in any way lay claim to the name of Christian? In the negative! It is clear, therefore, why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics. There is only one way in which the unity of Christians may be fostered, and that is by furthering the return to the one true Church of Christ of those who are separated from her. Pope Pius XI

    The special position of the Eastern churches: These churches though separated from us nevertheless possess true Sacraments, whereby they are still joined to us in closest intimacy. Therefore, some worship in common is not merely possible, but is encouraged. Decree on Ecumenism 

    A) No one shall pray in common with heretics or schismatics. Council of Laodicea (Regional)

    B) God will have the Paraclete [Holy Spirit] only in those who worship Him in perfect Faith. St. Cyril of Alexandria

    C) Outside the unity of Faith and Love which makes us sons and members of the Church, no one can be saved; hence, if the Sacraments are received outside the Church, they are NOT effective for salvation even though they are true Sacraments. However, they can become useful if one returns to Holy Mother the Church, whose sons ALONE Christ considers worthy of eternal inheritance. St. Bonaventure, Doctor of the Church

    The separated churches and ecclesiastical communities in the West: A love and reverence of Holy Scripture leads our brethren to a constant and diligent study of the Sacred Text. For the Gospel “is the power of God for salvation to everyone who has faith” (Ro.1:16) Decree on Ecumenism

    A) If anyone says that a man who is justified and however perfect is not bound to observe the Commandments of God AND OF HIS CHURCH, but only to believe, as though the Gospel were a bare and absolute promise of eternal life without the condition of observing the Commandments: let him be anathema. Council of Trent

    B) Bear well in mind that, as the Fathers of the Church teach in numerous passages, the sense of Holy Scripture can be found nowhere incorrupt outside the Catholic Church. Pope Leo XIII

    C) Take away the authority of the Church and neither Divine Revelation nor natural reason itself is of any use, for each of them may be interpreted by every individual according to his own caprice. From this accursed liberty of conscience has arisen the immense variety of heretical and atheistic sects. If you take away obedience to the Church, there is NO error which will not be embraced. St. Alphonsus Maria Liguori, Doctor of the Church (the last to die).

    D) There can be nothing more dangerous than those heretics who admit nearly the entire cycle of Catholic doctrine and yet, BY A SINGLE WORD, as with a DROP of poison, infect the real and simple faith taught by Our Lord and handed down by Apostolic Tradition. For such is the nature of the Faith that nothing can be more absurd than to accept SOME things and to reject OTHERS. If, then, it be certain that ANY thing is revealed by God, and this is not believed, then NO thing whatever is believed by Divine Faith. But he who dissents even in ONE POINT from divinely-revealed Truth ABSOLUTELY rejects ALL faith. You, who believe what you like of the Gospels, believe yourselves rather than the Gospels. Pope Leo XIII

    It is through his conscience that man sees and recognizes the demands of the Divine Law. He is bound to follow this conscience faithfully in all his activity so that he may come to God. Therefore, he must not be forced to act contrary to his conscience, nor must he be prevented from acting according to his conscience. Declaration on Religious Freedom, “Dignitatis Humanae,” December 12, 1965

    A) That it is right for each individual to follow with tranquil soul what is acceptable to his own religious creed makes the divine establishment of the Church of no consequence. The true Church of Jesus Christ was established by divine authority and is known by a four-fold Mark which must be believed. No other Church is Catholic except the one founded on Peter and on his successors in the Chair of Rome. Especially fatal to the salvation of souls is that erroneous opinion that Liberty of Conscience and Liberty of Worship is the proper right of every man. By Our Apostolic authority, we reject, proscribe, and condemn this evil opinion. Ven. Pope Pius IX

    Religious communities have the right not to be prevented from publicly teaching and bearing witness to their beliefs by the spoken or written word. (same source as 21)

    A) The accursed perversity of heretics has so increased that now they exercise their wickedness not in secret but manifest their error publicly, and win over the simple and weak to their opinion. For this reason, We resolve to cast them, their defenders, and their receivers under anathema, and We forbid under anathema that anyone presume to help heretics or to do business with them. III Lateran Council (Ecumenical)

    B) It is insanity to believe that Freedom of Conscience and Freedom of Worship are the inalienable rights of every citizen. From this foul-smelling fountain of Indifferentism flows the erroneous and absurd opinion — or, rather, MADNESS — that freedom of conscience must be asserted and vindicated for everyone. This most pestilential error opens the door to the complete and immoderate liberty of opinions which works such widespread harm both in Church and State. Pope Gregory XVI

    If special civil recognition is given to one religious community in the constitutional organization of the State, the right of all citizens and religious communities to religious freedom must be recognized and respected. Declaration on Religious Freedom

    A) In this age of ours, it is no longer expedient that the Catholic religion be the only religion of the State, to the exclusion of all other cults whatsoever. ERROR CONDEMNED by Ven. Pope Pius IX

    B) In certain regions of Catholic name, it has been praiseworthily sanctioned by law that men immigrating there be allowed to have public exercises of any form of worhsip of their own. ERROR CONDEMNED by Ven. Pope Pius IX

    C) For it is false that the civil liberty of every cult, and likewise the full power granted to all men to manifest openly and publicly any kind of opinions and ideas, more easily leads to the corruption of morals and minds of men, and to the spread of the evil of Indifferentism. ERROR CONDEMNED by Ven. Pope Pius IX

    D) The power of Christ over all nations has begun to be denied; hence, the right of the Church to teach the human race, to pass laws, and to rule for the purpose of leading people especially to eternal salvation, which exists from the very right of Christ, has been denied. Then, indeed, little by little, the religion of Christ was placed on the same level with false religions, and put in the same class most shamefully; it was then subjected to the civil power and almost given over to the authority of rulers and magistrates. We call this plague of our age Laicism, with its errors and nefarious effects. Pope Pius XI

    If special civil recognition is given to one religious community in the constitutional organization of the State, the right of all citizens and religious communities to religious freedom must be recognized and respected. Declaration on Religious Freedom

    A) In this age of ours, it is no longer expedient that the Catholic religion be the only religion of the State, to the exclusion of all other cults whatsoever. ERROR CONDEMNED by Ven. Pope Pius IX

    B) In certain regions of Catholic name, it has been praiseworthily sanctioned by law that men immigrating there be allowed to have public exercises of any form of worhsip of their own. ERROR CONDEMNED by Ven. Pope Pius IX

    C) For it is false that the civil liberty of every cult, and likewise the full power granted to all men to manifest openly and publicly any kind of opinions and ideas, more easily leads to the corruption of morals and minds of men, and to the spread of the evil of Indifferentism. ERROR CONDEMNED by Ven. Pope Pius IX

    D) The power of Christ over all nations has begun to be denied; hence, the right of the Church to teach the human race, to pass laws, and to rule for the purpose of leading people especially to eternal salvation, which exists from the very right of Christ, has been denied. Then, indeed, little by little, the religion of Christ was placed on the same level with false religions, and put in the same class most shamefully; it was then subjected to the civil power and almost given over to the authority of rulers and magistrates. We call this plague of our age Laicism, with its errors and nefarious effects. Pope Pius

    August 5, 2015 at 7:51 pm
  • editor

    Whoever said the Synod outcome is a foregone conclusion seems, sadly, to have hit a very important nail on the head. Click here to read more. Seems the Pope is definitely in the Kasper camp. Change is in the air…

    And take note of the final sentence in this report. Well? What about the Bishops of the UK – will they or won’t they?

    We do, do we not, live in very interesting times…

    August 7, 2015 at 12:19 am
    • Helen

      Does that mean that the German church is now in formal schism?

      August 7, 2015 at 10:54 am
      • editor

        Helen

        “Formal” suggests a formal declaration of separation. I’m not well enough educated in the niceties of “formal schism” to be certain of my ground on this, but the majority of German bishops have been, for a very long time now, in de facto schism. But then, I think that about the UK as well, and thought so even in the days when we hard allegedly “Vatican hardliner” bishops (in the opinion of the media “experts”) such as Cardinals Winning and O’Brien !

        August 7, 2015 at 1:18 pm
      • Muffin Man Returns

        Don’t be ridiculous Helen, nobody enters formal schism now days (with exception to those dastardly Lefebvrians of course).

        August 8, 2015 at 7:28 pm
  • crofterlady

    “The German bishops have declared independence from Rome on same-sex marriage” thus begins William Oddie’s article in the Catholic Herald which editor linked up above on August 7th at 12.19 am. Now maybe I’m a thicko but this seems to me that the German bishops have put themselves into open schism irrespective of the fact that “they have been in de facto schism for a long time.”

    Am I wrong?

    August 8, 2015 at 3:38 pm

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