Pope Francis: Dublin Next To Host World Meeting of Families – Joke, Right?

Pope Francis: Dublin Next To Host World Meeting of Families – Joke, Right?

Pope-Francis-and-Archbishop-Diarmuid-MartinPope Francis has announced that the next World Meeting of Families will take place in 2018 in Dublin. 

He made the announcement at the concluding Mass of the World Meeting of Families which ended in Philadelphia this evening. It was the final stage of Pope Francis’ historic trip to United States. Tonight’s Mass in Philadelphia was attended by almost one million people. Before Mass, the Pope greeted Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia and Archbishop Diarmuid Martin of Dublin.

Held every three years and sponsored by the Holy See’s Pontifical Council for the Family, the World Meeting of Families is the world’s largest Catholic gathering of families. It has been described as a celebration of family life and of the Catholic Church’s commitment to support families.

Throughout his visit to the United States this week Pope Francis spoke on the theme of the family in a broad manner referring to issues of education, child parent relationships, employment and poverty. Speaking on the family at the prayer vigil for the World Meeting in Philadelphia on Saturday night Pope Francis said:

            “I think of all those families which lack access to basic health services.  Families which, when faced with medical problems, especially those of their younger or older members, are dependent on a system which fails to meet their needs, is insensitive to their pain, and forces them to make great sacrifices to receive adequate treatment.

            We cannot call any society healthy when it does not leave real room for family life.  We cannot think that a society has a future when it fails to pass laws capable of protecting families and ensuring their basic needs, especially those of families just starting out.  How many problems would be solved if our societies protected families and provided households, especially those of recently married couples, with the possibility of dignified work, housing and healthcare services to accompany them throughout life? 

            God’s dream does not change; it remains intact and it invites us to work for a society which supports families.  A society where bread, “fruit of the earth and the work of human hands” continues to be put on the table of every home, to nourish the hope of its children.”

Previous Meetings have been held Rome in 1994, in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil in 1997, Rome again in 2000, Manila in the Philippines in 2003, Valencia, Spain, in 2006, Mexico City, in 2009, Milan in 2012, and Philadelphia 2015.

Pope Francis, speaking of the World Congress, stressed that “the family which experiences the joy of faith communicates it naturally. That family is the salt of the earth and the light of the world; it is the leaven of society”.

The announcement comes just days before the inauguration of the 14th Ordinary General Assembly World Synod of Bishops which will take place in the Vatican from 5th to 26th October on the theme: “The Vocation and Mission of the Family in the Church and the Contemporary World”.

Archbishop Diarmuid Martin said that he hoped the holding of the Meeting in Ireland would be an occasion to take up the programme of the Synod to strengthen the place of the family in handing on the faith in the face of many new challenges.  He said, the family in Ireland is strong and the Church is called to take up the challenge of ensuring that future Catholic generations are prepared to live their marriage as an itinerary of faith.

The date and the programme of the 2018 Meeting  will be decided at a later stage in consultation with the Pontifical Council for the Family.  The 2018 World Meeting is expected to  extend to various parts of Ireland and given the size of the country, the event will take on different dimensions to that of the Philadelphia event which concluded tonight.

Archbishop Eamon Martin, Archbishop of Armagh and Primate of All Ireland, has welcomed the announcement saying, “I am delighted to hear that Pope Francis has announced that the 9th World Meeting of Families will take place in Dublin, and that Archbishop Diarmuid Martin is in Philadelphia with our delegation to hear the news directly from the Holy Father.  Three years ago the 50th International Eucharistic Congress was a great celebration of faith for Ireland, and it attracted pilgrims from all around the world.  I am confident that the World Meeting of Families in 2018 will also be an uplifting event for all of us.

“Despite many challenges, the family remains at the heart of faith and of so much that we hold important in this country.  Our preparations for the World Meeting of Families will inspire us as we implement, over the next few years, the recommendations which will emerge from the Synod on the Family in Rome next month.

“At the ‘Festival of Families’ on Saturday night in Philadelphia, Pope Francis said: “What God most wants from us is to knock on the doors of families and to find people who love each other, who bring up their children with love and who contribute to a society of truth, goodness and beauty.”  I look forward to sharing the joy of this announcement with Archbishop Diarmuid, my fellow bishops and with people from all around the country as we begin thinking about how, together,  we can best plan to make this significant international event a success.”  Source


Lots of references to “family” and “marriage” in there, but in a formerly Catholic land where the Bishops (especially Archbishop Diarmuid Martin) did nothing to discourage Catholics from voting for same-sex “marriage” and, in fact, gave their tacit, some of us think open support to the YES campaign, this announcement comes as yet one more scandal.  Pope Francis, remember, to this day has remained silent on the pro-same-sex “marriage” vote in Ireland. It is curious, then,  to say the least, that he has chosen Ireland as the host country for the next meeting on “the family” in 2018.  What’s going on?  Precisely how will “marriage” and “the family” be defined by the Irish authorities charged with preparing this World Meeting of “Families”? I’m already seeing rainbow flags and “pride” marches celebrating the event. St Patrick, pray for us!

Comments (29)

  • gabriel syme

    The cynic in me fears that this event (or media coverage of it, at least) will be hijacked by the same activists who bulldozed the Irish Church’s feeble efforts during the marriage referendum. Lets hope it doesn’t become a soap box for cohabiting Catholics or LGBTIQ-XYZ-123 Catholics.

    PS – God forgive me, but every time I see a picture of Archbishop Diarmuid Martin, I immediately think of someone being loudly slapped in the face. Does anyone else experience this?

    September 28, 2015 at 11:40 pm
    • editor

      Gabriel Syme,

      You’ve lost me. I could not see ANY efforts, feeble or otherwise, from the Irish Church during that scandalous same-sex “marriage” campaign. The bishops were falling over themselves to talk about it being an “equality” issue and publicly slapped down those campaigning for traditional marriage. They were/are in favour of it, that is very clear indeed. The only efforts of which I am aware, came from a minority of lay people, markedly UNsupported by their priests and bishops. Scandalous.

      Which is why I am highly suspicious, not merely “cynical” (this time!) about this latest news of Dublin hosting this daft meeting for families. What IS the point of these events anyway? If they are intended to give the impression of a strong Church, committed to Catholic marriage and the family – too late. Who, exactly, does the Pope and his advisers think they’re fooling?

      As for “slapping Archbishop Diarmuid Martin (loudly) on the face” (or whatever, precisely, you said) – I’d sooner not comment. Could change my image, big time, from being a sweet, gentle, saintly gal to being… well… not 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯

      September 29, 2015 at 1:02 am
      • Margaret Mary


        “As for “slapping Archbishop Diarmuid Martin (loudly) on the face” (or whatever, precisely, you said) – I’d sooner not comment” – LOL !

        I am also “highly suspicious” of this event being given to Dublin, after the ss marriage vote, and being announced before the Synod on the Family.

        I think I’m right in saying two cardinals from the synod are pleased about Ireland voting for ss marriage (Cardinal Kasper and Cardinal Danneels) so it is very suspicious, IMHO. I don’t know what the idea is, but I feel there’s a definite agenda here.

        September 29, 2015 at 9:57 am
    • Margaret Mary

      Gabriel Syme,

      “God forgive me, but every time I see a picture of Archbishop Diarmuid Martin, I immediately think of someone being loudly slapped in the face”

      LOL! I know what you mean! I can’t say I’ve experience this but I do sympathise 😀

      September 29, 2015 at 9:53 am
  • Frankier

    Talking about rainbows. That logo of the Irish Bishops’ Conference looks as if there is a rainbow in the making.

    September 29, 2015 at 1:45 am
    • Margaret Mary


      LOL! I think it does remind you of a rainbow. Nothing would surprise me after that vote for ss marriage.

      I definitely wonder why the Pope chose Ireland for a meeting on family. I doubt very much if they will use it to say ss marriage is unacceptable, there can only be marriage between a man and woman, if they wouldn’t say it out in the referendum campaign why raise it a few years later? IMHO there will be more shady statements that can apply to any group of people living as a “family”.

      September 29, 2015 at 9:50 am
  • Confitebor Domino

    “God’s dream does not change “

    God’s dream? What the heck is he on?

    To the uninitiated this decision might look like rewarding Ireland for voting the way they did. I can virtually guarantee you that that’s how it will be taken.

    September 29, 2015 at 10:26 am
  • Therese


    You beat me to it! You have to wonder how on earth Christ’s message, and explicit words, can be so misunderstood/misinterpreted. Christ as the social worker supreme is a Marxist lie which seems to have been swallowed whole.

    And what’s this supposed to mean: -. A society where bread, “fruit of the earth and the work of human hands” continues to be put on the table of every home, to nourish the hope of its children.” Whaat?

    September 29, 2015 at 11:39 am
    • Christina

      CD and Therese, you may well ask. The entire speech could have been given by an atheistic humanist, who believes that this life is all we and our families have. The only out of place word in the speech is ‘God’, but the omnipotent, omniscient, immutable Creator is reduced to an infantile Martin Luther King look-alike who ‘has a dream’ (besides being a god of surprises – lc itentional). The extract from the NO thrown in for good measure reads to me as confirmation, if such were needed, that this Mass is intended to be no more than a family meal. I’ve got past the stage of thinking that this Pope is an intelligent man with an evil agenda. More and more, with every idiotic speech and throw-away remark, he looks to me like a tool of evil and powerful men who would destroy the Church.

      Would it be possible, during the coming fiasco, for him to be accused of heresy by faithful prelates? I’ve read up a little on this, but remain unclear as to how it could work.

      September 30, 2015 at 12:54 pm
  • Athanasius

    It’s a bit late for the Pope to be going to Ireland to host a world meeting of families; he should have done that before the infamous referendum. It will be interesting to see if hugs and handshakes are exchanged with Brother Enda in the presence of that pack of rogues they call the Irish hierarchy. They might find that there’s a bit of a family famine going on in Ireland right now!

    September 29, 2015 at 2:02 pm
    • Margaret Mary


      I completely agree, and it’s a real mystery why the Pope has picked Ireland so soon after the referendum vote.

      “Brother Enda” – LOL ! I bet the Pope will be handshaking with the politicians and bishops who sold out Ireland’s heritage for the sake of pleasing the LGBT people. It really is a big scandal.

      September 30, 2015 at 9:03 pm
  • spudeater

    What on earth is this World Meeting of Families anyway? I doubt it’s even a blip on most Catholics’ radar for the good reason that it signifies nothing and achieves nothing other than enabling the participants to travel half way round the world to a jolly jamboree, take lots of photos and then return home all warm inside. I have to wonder if there was anything distinctively or authentically catholic about the whole event considering Philadelphia’s Archbishop Chaput was deaf to protestations (no pun intended) from Catholic groups appalled by the invitation extended to the Mayor of Philadelphia, Michael Nutter, to address the Meeting. Mayor Nutter is a supposed catholic who enthusiastically supports same-sex ‘marriage’ and was instrumental in Philadelphia being named the top city in the U.S. for homosexuals, etc,etc in 2014 by the self-styled ‘Human Rights Campaign’. If the Mayor really lived up to his name, I suppose his stance would be a bit more understandable.

    What better place then to hold the next shindig than Dublin? I anticipate a whole range of weird but not so wonderful things happening in Ireland’s capital in three years’ time. Given the ever-accelerating rate of moral decline in that tragic country though, if the organisers were foolish enough to restrict attendees to recognisably Catholic, indigenous families, they could probably hold their get-together in the courtyard of Kilmainham Jail and still have plenty of room left over.

    September 29, 2015 at 9:10 pm
    • editor


      That’s what I keep asking myself – what’s with all these huge outdoor events, thousands of people gathering for this or that event ostensibly to celebrate “the family” without ever proclaiming Catholic teaching on marriage and the family.

      September 29, 2015 at 11:34 pm
  • Clotilde

    I agree that these type of big gatherings don’t achieve anything as the media ignore them especially if they promote morality or pro-life issues.
    I have just read about the BBC’s attempt to ruin the good work of the pavement counsellors outside abortion clinics. As the clinics are set to lose £600 for every’ customer’ they lose they are getting upset.
    The prayers have been heard and many clinics have closed, especially in the US, during the
    — 40daysforlife– campaign which is happening now. It is a growing pro-life action throughout world in various cities in the UK but not as many as there should be. If you google ” 40days for life” you will find out what it is.

    September 30, 2015 at 10:14 pm
    • editor


      When is the programme on? I can’t find anything about it, except on the SPUC blog and no details are given. Odd.

      September 30, 2015 at 11:00 pm
      • Clotilde

        Sorry I didn’t get back to you. Did you look at SPUC Scotland?

        October 4, 2015 at 9:06 pm
      • editor

        I didn’t look at “SPUC Scotland” (didn’t know they existed!) but there was nothing specific in the SPUC report linked here, and there has been absolutely nothing on the BBC channels, so I don’t know what they are going on about. It could be, presumably, that a programme has been recorded for future broadcast. SPUC should have specified that in their report, to save us all wasting time searching for it.

        October 4, 2015 at 11:24 pm
  • Leo

    Quite why the World Meeting of Families should be taking place in the Republic of Sodom, of the blasphemous Constitution, is, I’d imagine, a tad bit puzzling to any faithful Catholic. I share the suspicions of Editor, Confitebor Domino and Margaret Mary concerning the awarding (might just be a grotesquely apt word) of this gathering to Dublin. It’s a pity Pope Francis didn’t show a bit more concern for the country five months ago.

    I wonder will we have a repeat of the the abomination of Bishops at the 1997 World Youth Day scandalously wearing rainbow vestments. Who knows what sort of permutations of perversion will be described as “family” by the Modernist occupiers in 2018. The one consolation is that it is three years away, by which time the Extermination Angels might have enforced a return to sanity. Plenty is going to happen in the next three years. And a lot of that will be bad, for sure.

    It’s only three years since the truly scandalous Eucharistic Congress was held in Dublin, an event which we discussed at length here. The following year we had the passing of legislation to permit the killing of unborn children up to birth, before the recent, clear cut declaration of national apostasy by which depravity and perversion was acclaimed by national plebiscite to equate to the divinely ordered law of marriage between one man and one woman.

    No one here needs reminding of the Irish Bishops’ shameful dereliction of duty during these two diabolical assaults on the Social Kingship of Christ. It cannot be denied that the Irish Bishops, to all intents and purposes, abandoned the unborn two years ago. The only two laudatory actions I can recall were a public Eucharistic procession led by Bishop Seamus Freeman of Ossory, and a never repeated suggestion by the then coadjutor Archbishop of Armagh, Eamon Martin that abortion- supporting politicians might be refused Holy Communion. Bishops’ Conference collegial cowardice is the most likely explanation for the prompt strangling of the latter threat to those who would commit sacrilege.

    The milksop, cream puff, pre-emptive surrender before the forces of Big Sodomy this year is very hard to even think about. Indeed, the performance of the Bishops and the overwhelming number of priests in Ireland in recent years makes the retreat from Moscow look like a triumphant parade. The expression that I’ve used before is that the Bishops of Ireland have left in the helicopters from the embassy rooftop a long time ago, leaving the tattered remnant of faithful Catholics to their fate below.

    “When ministers are ignorant or neglectful of their duty, then the morals of the people also immediately decline, Christian discipline grows slack, the practice of religion is dislodged and cast aside, and every vice and corruption is easily introduced into the Church.” – Pope Pius IX, Qui Pluribus, 1846

    Apart altogether from the subject of this particular thread, any discussion concerning Ireland would hardly be complete without mention of the Archbishop of Dublin, Diarmuid Martin. I know virtually nothing of the Archbishop or his views, that isn’t in the public domain. Judgement of souls, mind, and motives belongs of course to God alone, and the sacred office of a Bishop commands due respect. That said, the constant verbal scandal and offence to pious ears isn’t in doubt. His Grace may not be sitting at the top table, amongst the big episcopal power players of Modernism, but it is pretty obvious from the public evidence that Archbishop Martin is fully on message with Pope Francis’ revolution. Just in passing, the TV shots showed much better that the photograph at the top of this thread that the Archbishop is very much at ease in the Pope’s presence.

    Seventeen months ago, on national radio, the Archbishop Martin declared that “Pope Francis has had enormous effect”. Quite so. When asked about a recent claim that the diocese was a much different and better place than ten years previously, the Archbishop stated that we had “moved out of difficult times because we have much greater presence of laity in activities our parishes”. Having given evidence of the vocations desert, he proceeded to talk of “rationalising our services”. Analyse that, folks.

    On the hot topic of the Church’s retreat from the education sector, the Archbishop informed listeners that “ethos can be a smokescreen to avoid talking about other serious issues” and that the Church was “not asking for Catholic ghetto schools”. What earthly chance have the innocent little ones?

    Later his Grace had to be asked three times if he believed in Hell. Having twice said that he believed in Heaven and “that’s’ what we should be preaching…”, on the third occasion he let it be known that “I believe it could be possible but don’t know who might be in it”.

    Whatever else, it is not admissible that the Archbishop, a scholarship boy from a working class background, is stupid. His upward path was accidental or easy.

    Here’s a link containing a report of an address he gave a couple of months before the Perversion Referendum. Get ready to be scandalised.


    “‘There can be an ethic of equality which is an ethic of recognising and respecting difference,’ he said.

    “Dr Martin suggested that a pluralist society can be creative in finding ways in which people of same-sex orientation have their rights and their loving and caring relationships recognised and cherished in a culture of difference.

    “‘I am not saying that gay and lesbian people, are unloving or that their love is somehow deficient compared to others, I am talking about a uniqueness in the male-female relationship,’ he said.”

    The Archbishop was, surprise, surprise, Ireland’s representative at part one of the infamous Synod last year, as he will be in a few days time. He admitted last year to voting yes to everything contained in the diabolical interim relatio, the document that Bishop Athanasius Schneider referred to as “representing the neo pagan philosophy”. Remember, one of the paragraphs that Archbishop Martin granted his approval to spoke of “accepting and valuing their (homosexuals) sexual orientation”.

    Archbishop Martin, is nothing if not consistent. He gave grave scandal in February of last year in an interview with the Irish state broadcaster, RTE, when he stated that:

    “I believe that there are ways in which, civil registrations for example, in which gay and lesbian people can have their rights respected and legally protected.”

    “There can be ways in which gay people can celebrate their togetherness, their love for one another, but it isn’t marriage,” he added. “It doesn’t necessarily mean that a civil partnership is somewhat of less value than marriage.”

    Neither in that interview nor in one with the Irish Independent on the following day, did Archbishop Martin make mention of the Church’s teaching on sodomy. Instead he said, “Anybody who doesn’t show love towards gay and lesbian people is insulting God. They are not just homophobic if they do that — they are actually Godophobic because God loves every one of those people.”

    In the RTÉ interview, Archbishop Martin was willing to entertain the idea of ‘homophobia’ in the Catholic Church. “People in the Catholic Church may be homophobic,” he said. “Certainly the teaching of the Catholic Church could be used in a homophobic way.”

    Taken from the following link:


    Archbishop Martin, and all other Irish bishops would be well advised to dwell on the words of Pope Saint Pius X In his 1906 Encyclical Pieni l’animo, in which he voice to his reverential fear about the grave responsibility before God that the pastoral duties of his office demanded:

    “With our soul full of fear for the strict account we shall have to give one day to the Prince of Pastors, Jesus Christ, with regard to the flock entrusted to us by Him, we pass our days in continued anxiety to preserve the faithful, as far as possible, from the most pernicious evils by which human society is at present afflicted.”

    How about the following mushy soup of classically indecipherable conciliar speak from the Archbishop on the question of marriage, which her was reported to have made at the time of last year’s Synod:

    “There’s a move away from simply an understanding of the church’s teaching on marriage as something that is taught to people — and a greater understanding of the fact that sacramental marriage is an ecclesial reality,” he said.

    “It’s not just a blessing on two spouses,” Archbishop Martin continued. “The couple who are married sacramentally develop an ecclesial status for their own lives, but also, as in every other sacrament, for the building of the church.”

    “So in many ways we have to find a way in which the lived experience of this ecclesial reality of marriage … is almost in its own way something that the church learns from rather than simply tries to carry out an external survey of it,” according to the Archbishop. “That’s certainly one of the changes.”

    “Ecclesial reality” and “something that the Church learns from”. Wha dat? We’re not talking about those contraceptors who have chosen to have more cars than children, by any chance?

    Heaven help us, the archbishop also said the synod fathers are struggling to tie together the notions of truth and mercy in their discussions.

    “In the long term, I think, there’s fundamental agreement that they (truth and mercy) go together,” he said. “It isn’t that truth is a dogma and mercy is something on the sidelines of Christian teaching. We have to find real ways of bringing these together and it’s not easy to.”

    Referring to the interview that Pope Francis gave two years ago to the Italian Jesuit magazine La Civilta Cattolica, in which the pontiff referred to two poles in the church of rigorist and lax adherence to church teaching, the Archbishop had this to say:

    “Most people live their lives in the grey area between those two and we have to exercise our pastoral responsibilities in the gray area, not falling into either extreme,” he said.

    So the Archbishop of Dublin is maintaining that in the Bright New World of novus ordo apostasy, “pastoral responsibilities” should not fall into the “extreme” of rigorist adherence to Church teaching.

    In Pascendi, Pope Saint Pius X sets out the revolutionaries approach to dogma:

    “In order to be vigorous they (dogmas) must continually be accommodated to an equal degree to both the Faith and the Faithful.”

    Once more, Pope Saint Pius X ought to set Archbishop Martin straight, if required.

    Condemned: #59 – “Christ did not teach a determined body of doctrine applicable to all times and all men, but rather inaugurated a religious movement adapted or to be adapted to different times and places.” Pope Saint Pius X, Lamentabili Sane Exitu, 1907

    And for good measure here is another example of a Pope doing his God given duty of confirming the brethren in the Faith.

    “Those who are unhappily infected with these errors (indifferentism and modernism), hold that dogmatic truth is not absolute but relative, that is, it agrees with the varying necessities of time and place and with the varying tendencies of the mind, since it is not contained in immutable revelation, but is capable of being accommodated to human life.” – Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos, #9, 1928

    October 1, 2015 at 8:49 pm
    • editor


      WOW! What a post. Tremendous. I have a couple of quotes to highlight

      1) “Having given evidence of the vocations desert, he proceeded to talk of “rationalising our services”. Analyse that, folks.”

      On a quick, very quick analysis, I’d say he is suggesting that the clergy cut down on “their services” (Mass, for starters) and let the laity run things. More or less what’s happening in the UK – in Glasgow, for example, our Archbishop has decided to follow Papa Francis into the “green” cause and that is where their energies are now expended, God help their wits.

      2) “On the hot topic of the Church’s retreat from the education sector, the Archbishop informed listeners that “ethos can be a smokescreen to avoid talking about other serious issues” and that the Church was “not asking for Catholic ghetto schools”.

      Now, that’s something I’ve been saying for years – that by claiming we need Catholic schools because of their special/different “ethos”, the bishops and their minions in Catholic so-called Education have managed to dodge all the obvious questions like, why don’t you teach about the Catholic Faith?

      I’ll need to return to your post later to visit the links, but, overall – a rivetting read. Let’s hope the hapless and utterly faithless Archbishop of Dublin reads it. I mean, how can anyone say they believe in Heaven but be unsure about Hell? Doesn’t he know about infallible teachings? If I thought for a second he would read Fr Gruner’s excellent book, Crucial Truths to Save Your Soul, I’d send him a copy. However, he’s sure to find it homophobic and every other fashionable “obic” in the book.

      October 1, 2015 at 9:58 pm
  • Leo

    Maybe this prancing sodomite, who read a lesson at the Pope’s recent Mass in Madison Square Garden, will be invited along to “actively participate” in Dublin in 2018.


    Would it be too much to hope that Bishop Bonsu, President of the Ghanaian Bishops’ Conference, will preach the homily so that those in attendance might go home with a bit of Catholic truth ringing in their ears:

    “Gays, lesbians, liars and child molesters and others do not get into heaven, and the Bible says that very clearly.There is not a man who says, and not a bishop, that they do not go to heaven, but the Bible. It is the Holy Scriptures that says that they do not go to heaven,” said Msgr. Osei-Bonsu on Monday to host of Morning Starr-Moderator Nii Arday Clegg on Radio 103.5 FM Starr in Ghana.


    October 1, 2015 at 9:56 pm
  • morgana

    Surely gays lesbians and child molesters who truly repent are still able to get to heaven or else catholic teaching on the repentant sinner means nothing.

    October 2, 2015 at 11:02 am
    • Fidelis


      Of course sinners who repent are able to get to heaven but the point is that these sins are now legalised and not thought to be sins, so people are not repenting.

      October 2, 2015 at 12:41 pm
  • Leo


    I think most of us here will have similar views about pastoral councils and lay encroachment on the role of priestly pastors of souls. Just think of all those priests sitting down at Communion time. All I’ll say is that when the passengers start flying the aeroplanes, it’s time to make alternative travel arrangements.

    It’s hardly unreasonable to conclude that for ten years, promoting the concept of lay people working in partnership with clergy in running parishes has been a bit of a pet project for the Archbishop of Dublin. Last month, Archbishop Martin stated that when first calling on people to take part in 2004, he envisaged the councils as “fruitful instruments for a renewal of evangelisation, mission and service in parish communities.”

    Also last month, addressing representatives of parish pastoral councils from Dublin’s 199 parishes at the launch of a report on ten years’ of their work, the Archbishop said “the Church in Dublin is much richer through the contribution that you have made”.

    And here is the hymn sheet for the Great March Forward, or the “vision thingy”. Saint Patrick is going to have to take his crozier out of the press, and return, for a second time again.

    “Parish pastoral councils, I believe, will show themselves to be not just useful instruments for getting things done, but even more to be catalysts in ensuring a new vision of the Church, as God’s holy people, where each of us belongs, with our specific tasks and abilities, but where the sense of communion and community dominate, rather than personal preference or structures. This will involve a new relationship between priest and people, not one based on stature or power, but on service to each other and witness to the community around us.”

    Notice the “N” word, new. There really is no getting away from this novelty crack. It’s mandatory in novus ordoism. I wonder where Our Lord and Our Lady, and any mention of the supernatural fit in to all this “sense of communion and community”.

    Here’s the link:


    It’s hardly necessary to mention the elephant in the room as regards promoting vocations, There was one ordinary in the Archdiocese last year. And there are no prizes for guessing why.

    Is there any need to add that his Grace is worried about “a very conformist and closed Catholicism”. In a speech given in Melbourne last year, he referred to a young curate who told his parish priest he was not at all happy with some things the Pope had said. The young priest felt they “were not in line with what he had learned in the seminary” and he suggested that they were “making the faithful insecure and even encouraging those who do not hold the orthodox Catholic beliefs to challenge traditional teaching.” The message from the Archbishop may as well be written on the wall in great big letters. I wonder where that young priest is now.

    I’m sure another blogger will be able to help out here, but didn’t the Cure of Ars, say that if a village is left without a priest for twenty years, they will end up worshipping beasts?

    Reading all the above reminds of me of the following, which I have posted several times previously. It amounts to stating the obvious that the conciliar novus ordo catastrophe is inextricably linked to, and shockingly manifested in, the crisis in the priesthood, a crisis which Archbishop Lefebvre was very quick to identify, and which he worked so tirelessly and heroically to combat. Also, I think history offers many examples of the enemies of Christ, with diabolical intelligence and perception, targeting the sacred priesthood.

    Everyone here knows what took place twenty seven years ago, on June 30 1988, at Econe. On the same day that Archbishop Lefebvre, in his own words, “handed on what I have received”, in order to continue the work of traditional priestly formation, an 18 page document was published in Rome which, whatever the intent behind it and the justifications given, could not but help to undermine the sacred Catholic priesthood. The document allowed bishops to develop programs whereby deacons or appointed lay people would lead Sunday prayer services.


    Yes, twenty seven years ago, while Archbishop Lefebvre was trying to provide pastors and the means of salvation for Catholic souls, Rome was providing for the absence of priests.

    Readers can decide for themselves about joining any dots. For my money, it looks like Archbishop Martin has been a reliable servant and implementer of the novus ordo agenda.

    October 2, 2015 at 3:39 pm
    • editor


      You are so absolutely correct about the word “new” being mandatory in the modern churches. It’s just incredible that the term “Tradition” (the opposite of “new”) – a key pillar of the Faith – has all but disappeared from the vocabulary of Catholic priests, bishops and now Pope Francis.

      I’m afraid Archbishop Martin is one of the worst of the modern hierarchs that I’ve ever come across. He spouts utter rubbish without seeming to have any awareness at all of the completely UN-Catholic things he’s saying. Your story about his comment in Australia regarding the priest who expressed concern at the growing trend of lack of orthodoxy in Pope Francis’ statements, is something I’ve read before (probably in one of your posts!) and it really is very revealing indeed, that he spoke so dismissively of that priest.

      I’ll be checking out the links later – in the meantime, thank you for that thought-provoking contribution.

      October 2, 2015 at 10:13 pm
  • Leo

    The following might be more suitable for the Synod thread, but hopefully is not out of place in any discussion of the Irish novus ordo nuclear wasteland.

    Mary “quite contrary” McAleese, was President of Ireland, its head of State for 14 years. Before that she was a Law Professor at Trinity College Dublin and a Pro-Vice Chancellor of Queen’s University, Belfast, a point I hope to remember the next time I hear anyone waffling on about education and “academic standards”.

    Since leaving the office of President, she has reportedly studied for a doctorate of canon law at the Gregorian University in Rome. Three years ago she published a book entitled “Quo Vadis: Collegiality in the Code of Canon Law” dealing with Vatican II’s teachings on collegiality and how the good lady considered that they have not yet been implemented. On February 28 2014, at the Von Hugel Institute (Big Red Modernism-alarm buzzer goes at the mention of that name) Lecture at Cambridge University titled ‘Church Governance – the Imperative for Collegiality’ in which she argued that shared governance by the Pope and bishops needs to be restored within the Church.

    All of which is pure gold for connoisseurs of irony, given the rampaging, autocratic, scandalous and possibly unprecedented exhibition of an ecclesiastical version of the Fuehrerprinzip imposed by the current successor to Peter in these very days. Just don’t expect the Prof to get on this Pope’s case. Not going to happen.

    As it happens, she is slated to speak in Rome tomorrow at the international conference with the title “Ways of Love: Snapshots of Catholic Encounters with LGBT Persons and their Families”. This meeting is expected to initiate “a global network of LGBTQI Catholics”, extending the acronym to include “queer” and intersexuals. The stated objective is “a Catholic Church in which the whole people of God—LGBT and heterosexual persons—can live, pray and offer their service together in harmony”. Other speakers will include the notorious Martin Pendergast from England ( details courtesy of respected Italian Vaticanista, Sandro Magister).

    I’m posting all this here because to my mind, Mary McAleese is the perfect icon of the conciliar modernist lunacy that in a middle aged lifetime has left virtually no Irish family unmarked by apostasy. The evidence passed the indisputable mark a long time ago.

    About her secular “learning” qualifications I care very little. About doctorates at the modern day Gregorian I think many of us would have very serious reservations, to put it mildly. What is beyond doubt is that Mary McAleese remains a theological dunce, a rebellious termagant who in saner times would have long since been recognised as an obvious candidate for remedial excommunication.

    Irish TV viewers have been subjected to endless repeats of Father Ted for over two decades. Truth be told, although it was always pretty close to the bone, I suspect it is now being left way behind by reality. How about this from our learned former Head of State? I’m half inclined to offer a substantial reward to anyone who can come up with evidence of a more ridiculous, idiotic, embarrassingly moronic remark made in 2014.

    “The Irish Times also reports that the former president said she had responded to the Vatican’s questionnaire on the family with a question: ‘How many of the men who will gather to advise you as Pope on the family have ever changed a baby’s nappy?’

    “‘I regard that as a very, very serious question,’ she said.”


    Father Ted could never compete with this drivel. Did ye hear the one about…

    Well, we might just have a couple of candidates for Mary, Mary “quite contrary”.


    October 2, 2015 at 10:04 pm
  • editor


    Fantastic – if horrendous – post. Thank you yet again for an information-packed, thought-provoking contribution. Unbelievable that a former President of Ireland could promote the homosexual lifestyle – and then some. Shocking.

    I laughed at your conclusion – Mary “Quite Contrary” McAleese’s stupid comment about changing a baby’s nappy is just priceless. With the way career women like her can’t wait to farm out their offspring to total strangers to babysit, it’s highly unlikely that she’s ever changed a baby’s nappy in her entire life. Numpty.

    And I totally agree with you here….

    About her secular “learning” qualifications I care very little. About doctorates at the modern day Gregorian I think many of us would have very serious reservations, to put it mildly. What is beyond doubt is that Mary McAleese remains a theological dunce, a rebellious termagant who in saner times would have long since been recognised as an obvious candidate for remedial excommunication.

    Link to satirical report is hilarious. And these days, who knows, truth, they say, is stranger than satire… 😉

    October 2, 2015 at 10:21 pm
  • Michaela

    I was on YouTube looking for “This is the Image of Our Queen” which Therese mentioned on the October Rosary blog. I couldn’t find it but I saw this one to Our Lady of Knock and thought I would post it here for obvious reasons.

    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm6ss1PBC1Q?feature=player_detailpage&w=640&h=360%5D

    October 3, 2015 at 10:01 pm
  • Therese


    October 4, 2015 at 9:10 pm
  • Leo

    The introductory article at the top of the thread informs us that Archbishop Eamon Martin, Archbishop of Armagh and Primate of All Ireland, has welcomed the announcement” (the awarding of the AMF to Dublin) “saying, ‘I am delighted to hear that Pope Francis has announced that the 9th World Meeting of Families will take place in Dublin…Three years ago the 50th International Eucharistic Congress was a great celebration of faith for Ireland, and it attracted pilgrims from all around the world. I am confident that the World Meeting of Families in 2018 will also be an uplifting event for all of us.

    “‘Despite many challenges, the family remains at the heart of faith and of so much that we hold important in this country. Our preparations for the World Meeting of Families will inspire us as we implement, over the next few years, the recommendations which will emerge from the Synod on the Family in Rome next month.’” Yikes. Comment is hardly necessary. Welcome to the world of novus ordoism in Ireland.

    As shown earlier, the Archbishop of Dublin, Diarmuid Martin, is a big fan of parish pastoral councils. If anyone is in any doubt about the dangers and effects of conciliar carbon monoxide poisoning, please read the following bibliography drawn up for those very councils under the banner of Pastoral Renewal and Family Ministry. I can think of plenty of words, but “renewal” is not one that springs to mind here. Naïve hopes that it might have disappeared since previous posts were lamentably unfounded. Some day…

    The following, which I have posted several times previously, was taken from a link on the website of the diocese of Armagh but is, I expect, available nationwide, as they say. It certainly was referenced in a Manual for parish councils everywhere in Ireland, obtainable in Veritas Books which is owned, I believe, by the Irish Bishops.


    Here is a reminder once more of some of the material deemed fit to “renew” the Church in Ireland. Quite a collection. Heaven, help us. “Stones instead of bread” doesn’t begin to describe this.

    Byrne, Lavinia. Women at the Altar. The Ordination of Women in the Roman Catholic Church. Liturgical Press, 1994. Explores the problem caused when God calls women to priesthood, while the Catholic Church formally teaches that only men can be ordained.

    Chittister, Joan. Women, Ministry and Church. Paulist Press 1983. A series of reflective essays on the roles and problems of modern women in the ministries of the Church.

    *Groome, Thomas H. Sharing Faith: A Comprehensive Approach to Religious Education and Pastoral Ministry: the Way of Shared Praxis. Harper SanFrancisco, 1991

    *McBrien, Richard P. Ministry: A Theological, Pastoral Handbook. Harper and Row, 1987. For those in ministry, those contemplating it and for those who recruit people for ministry. Practical guidelines.

    Schillebeeckx, Edward. The Church with a Human Face: A New and Expanded Theology of Ministry. Crossroad, 1985.

    Kung, Hans.The Church. Sheed & Ward, 1967

    McBrien, Richard P. Catholicism – study edition. Winston Press, 1981

    Rahner, Karl. Theological Dictionary. Seabury, 1965 Sheed & Ward, 1967

    Boff, Leonardo. Ecclesiogenesis. Orbis Books, 1997

    Like I say, quite a collection. And they’re only some of the names I recognised. Truly, it’s a wonder there is any faith in Ireland.

    I don’t expect many Irish Catholics suffering from the apostasy inducing effects of modernist indoctrination have ever read, or even heard of, Pope Saint Pius X’s prophetic 1907 encyclical Pascendi Dominici Gregis. Just read the opening paragraphs to see how a true saint guards the flock entrusted to him:

    “…the partisans of error are to be sought not only among the Church’s open enemies; but, what is to be most dreaded and deplored, in her very bosom, and are the more mischievous the less they keep in the open. We allude, Venerable Brethren, to many who belong to the Catholic laity, and, what is much more sad, to the ranks of the priesthood itself, who, animated by a false zeal for the Church, lacking the solid safeguards of philosophy and theology, nay more, thoroughly imbued with the poisonous doctrines taught by the enemies of the Church, and lost to all sense of modesty, put themselves forward as reformers of the Church; and, forming more boldly into line of attack, assail all that is most sacred in the work of Christ…”

    October 4, 2015 at 10:01 pm

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