State Vs Parents – Scots Father Fights To Protect Family Against Authorities In Scotland AND Ireland…
Update: 19th January, 2016
Following a request from one blogger, Catherine, today’s date, I have decided not to close this thread today after all, but will leave it open, with the rest, until the end of the month as usual. This allows maximum time for Mr Docherty to respond to the questions raised in the thread.
Update: 17th January, 2016
Please scroll to end of this thread to read the deadline which we have set. Unless we receive some convincing answers, from Mr Docherty, to the questions raised on this thread, by Tuesday, close of business, this thread will be deleted. 
Original Article…
Brian Docherty is a Glaswegian, a teacher, who moved to live and work in Aberdeen.
In summary, Mr Docherty claims that a neighbour asked for “access” to his disabled son, and made clear what he meant by “access”: this was an approach by a paedophile, alleged Mr Docherty who reported the matter to the police. According to Mr Docherty, however, instead of investigating the allegation, his family were targeted. You can see Brian’s first video account of what he claims happened here.
Eventually, the family travelled to Ireland to spend time there, in the hope of receiving support from the Irish authorities. Instead, the children have been taken into care and questions raised over the mental health of Mr Docherty and his wife.
Videos explaining his situation are available on YouTube and the most recent video is to be found at the foot of the page of the petition which you can sign here.
We are all aware of the way the family unit is being undermined by legislation (the Named Person Scheme springs to mind) and through unnecessary interference by officious social workers etc. If, therefore, Mr Docherty’s claims have substance, this case gives grave cause for concern. Apparently, Mr Docherty has made efforts to publicise his situation but the mainstream media is not, it seems, interested. This, in itself, seems strange, and triggered our decision to give some publicity to Mr Docherty’s apparent plight here. If, after all, there is no truth in his allegations, that surely ought to be exposed to protect the integrity of the police and other State agencies and individuals.
For fear of unnecessarily complicating his situation, however, by claims of police corruption, we might discuss whether or not it would be wiser for Brian Docherty to concentrate on getting his children back because they have been taken from him by agents of the State despite the fact that neither he nor his wife have been charged with any crime and – as seems clear from his calm demeanour on the videos – there is nothing wrong with his mental state. He must be beside himself with worry over his children’s plight, living, to the best of our knowledge, with strangers in separate foster homes, yet he comes across as an intelligent man, a calm but concerned father – there is nothing of hysteria in his statements.
As well as keeping this family in our prayers, then, is there any advice we can offer to Mr Docherty? Should he drop his allegations in order to retrieve his children and let those responsible deal with their consciences, or is he right to continue to expose the alleged corruption of the legal systems in both Scotland and Ireland?
Comments (56)
Please support this very courageous Family in any way you can ..isnt it diabolical when good people speak up they are turned on ….My heart goes out to these poor souls
If he had told the police that his neighbour was a catholic priest they would have had the sirens on full bore going to arrest him.
Frankier,
You are so right. It’s only Catholic priests who abuse children is what they seem to be saying. I watched the BBC Panorama about abuse in a secure unit for young offenders, and the presenter made the point that most of the staff were fine, just this handful doing the abuse. When did you ever hear that in any report about “paedophile priests”?
As for the Irish situation, I`m not surprised.
They`ll probably be looking again at the Irish Proclamation to see if they could slip legalised paedophilia into the rule book.
What better year than 2016 to bring in more of their “equal rights”.
Frankier,
I’ve just replied to an email complaining about your comment of 2.44pm – below is the complaint and thereafter the defence speaks…
Dear editor
I read your blog from time to time but I find it highly insulting some comments made about my country. I find that the latest comment by Frankier highly insulting to my country and Irish people.
Please remove it. I would appreciate if you didn’t publish my email either.
Kind regards.
MY REPLY…
Too bad if you dislike comments about your country. Your country has turned its back on God so there isn’t a lot that any of us can say that is insulting enough.
Frankier, like myself, is from an Irish background. So, he – unlike you, it seems – has his priorities right and is more concerned about being loyal to God and His laws, than loyalty to the Irish Constitution. As it happens, there is, in fact, a Paedophiles Rights movement based on the same arguments that got homosexuality legalised so it would not surprise me one bit if Ireland led the way on legalising that evil as well.
And don’t ever write to instruct me to remove a comment from our blog. If you don’t like what you read, don’t read it. I’m about to post your email with my response, although – in keeping with your rather cowardly wishes – I will withhold your identity, in order to underline the sort of outrageously skewed thinking of the majority, it seems, of Irish “Catholics” today.
Editor
Let’s hope she gets the message. I’ve quite enough to do getting through the day without jumping to the insolent commands of a reader offended by a remark about her country. While Rome burns, she’s defending apostate Ireland. Truly, you couldn’t make it up…
Editor
Well done. I`m extremely proud that we have someone of your standing to back us up. Most “catholics” would probably agree with her though.
I would like her to know that I hold an Irish passport, although for how much longer is anyone`s guess.
Coming from a part of the West of Scotland that makes East Belfast look like the Vatican I would like her also to know that the Irish have let us down badly in areas such as where I live but I wouldn`t change it for any part of her country now even if they made me Enda`s make-up artist.
I can assure you I really don`t like making these type of comments but reading about the treatment dished out in Ireland to Mr Docherty made my blood boil. It`s sad that she couldn`t make comment about the way that this family were dealt with, who thought they were doing the right thing taking refuge in her land.
Maybe she should direct her next complaint to the Dail.
And by the way, I certainly didn`t make the comment to try and please any one in Ireland.
Frankier,
“Enda’s make-up artist” – LOVE it!
This is a horrendous story. I don’t doubt it for a minute. I bet this man regrets taking that new job. His life has been turned up-side-down. I think these ‘criminals’ need to be brought to justice but the first priority is to get the children back with no further interference from police and social work. I think that it would be hard to live a normal family life while at the same time challenging the corruption of police and government agencies – A very difficult to decision to make . I agree that this man, Brian Docherty, appears to be very calm and well-balanced and in-control. It appears to be a genuine case. I hope he gets lots of support. I have signed the petition, and forwarded onto my contacts list. I will keep them in my prayers.
I agree that this is an horrendous case – maybe now that there is a new Chief Constable at Police Scotland, things will change for the better.
Children should never be removed from a family, definitely if there is no crime or serious allegation against the parents.
Well, if I were in his shoes I would drop any allegations in order to get my children back. Nothing, but nothing, would make me see my children taken like yon. It’s a disgrace, yes, but my children would come first. The authorities are often corrupt, yes, but God and all the single, childless or older citizens can do the campaigning for this sort of thing and leave us parents to get on with parenting. Perhaps Mr Docherty should consider moving to England where things are marginally better. Poor family, my heart goes out to them.
Helen
I fully agree, but I believe the problem is that if Mr Docherty withdraws his allegation, that will be the nail in the coffin of the mental health claim against him. If he doesn’t, he won’t get his children back.
This is one for Solomon – either that, or a top class family lawyer. Any volunteers out there?
This is disgraceful. It is wrong for the State to remove children from their parents as a punishment because the parents annoy them.
I think the secrecy of the family courts is largely to blame for these cases. They keep them secret on the pretence that it is to protect the children but how is it protecting children if they are being removed unjustly from their parents and homes? I think these courts should be open so we all know what it going on. Then cases like this would be less likely to happen.
As for the media – what a bunch of wimps! They are all over paedophiles once they’re dead, e.g. Jimmy Saville but while they’re still alive, no investigation allowed. Shame on them.
Lily,
Too true.
It just adds credibility to the man’s story because, as it says in the blog article, the media could soon show him up as a fibber or whatever, if they would only follow through his allegations. That’s one reason why he’s probably giving a truthful account IMHO.
I have now emailed the Kaye Adams show via the Radio Scotland website because, to be fair, she has been good at raising issues that others either ignore or downplay – the Named Person Scheme is one example that springs to mind.
So, let’s see if she takes up this particular cudgel.
Yes, she’s good on the whole. Has a mind of her own if the BBC doesn’t try to muzzle her.
From the book “The Naked Communist,” listing some of the 45 goals to destroy America. Here is #41: “Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influences of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of the parents.”
Also of interest, #26 and 27:
“26. Present homo-sexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”
http://www.free2pray.info/communism.html
Who was it that claimed Communism was dead? Must have been the same person who said the Devil doesn’t really exist….
RCA Victor,
Somehow, the language doesn’t ring true. I can’t see those who promote homosexuality etc talking about “presenting degeneracy and promiscuity as normal, natural healthy” because they don’t think of these things as degenerate but they do think of them as normal, natural and healthy. So, I’m cynical about that link.
Nicky,
I believe you missed the point at first, though you actually grasped it at the end. Those who promote homosexuality, etc. will of course not present it in negative terms, but in positive terms – terms which they (allegedly) believe, though somewhere in the depths of their suppressed and deadened consciences, they know otherwise.
The point in general is: to portray behaviors that were previously (i.e. before the mid-1960s) viewed as undesirable and negative as now desirable and positive – and get people to actually believe it. Seems to me this agenda has succeeded quite well, and it applies to all of Western Civilization, not just the USA. Remember the UN’s “Year of Tolerance”? This is precisely what that was all about, and Skousen’s book is dead on.
I feel that Mr Docherty should relent now that he has had his say. He could get his family back and then bide his time.
If what he states is true, and I certainly don`t doubt him, there is no doubt that this will rear its ugly head again and possibly to his advantage.
I just wonder though if he got Ms Malee`s name spelled correctly. Should it not be Melee?
I wonder also if she had a wee black moustache and walked like a goose.
Frankier,
I don’t think it’s about him relenting. He’s going to be sectioned by the looks of it and if he withdraws his allegation, then that makes him look all the more like a mental case. I think he is in a no-win situation and I wouldn’t hold my breath hoping the media are going to come charging along on their white horses. They’re part and parcel of the establishment.
Nicky
I agree. An impossible situation that I wouldn`t like to be in.
It`s just a pity that he was so naive as to go to Ireland. It`s the last place I would have went to. As Helen says, England would probably have been a better choice. Certainly no worse.
He may feel though, as I would (I think), that the main priority is to have his children back. At least he has the hope that real professionals, provided he moves again, would manage to determine that he was of sound mind. He has been stigmatised anyway and surely anyone reading his report would see who were the ones that really needed help.
All I could offer to help him and his wife would be the constant advice of my mother, God Rest Her, To try and offer up their sufferings to The Sacred Heart of Jesus and Our Blessed Lady for the Holy Souls in purgatory and trust in Them both.
Good luck to them.
I’ll be offering my Rosary for Mr Docherty and his family. May God bless them all and keep the children safe while they are away from their parents.
I am told that Mr Docherty is very pleased about this blog thread and plans to contribute to it in due course. Right now, he is very preoccupied with his next court appearance in Ireland which is tomorrow.
As Frankier says, it’s a terrible pity he went to Ireland, thinking he would find refuge there. Shows the crucial importance of keeping ourselves informed as this Church crisis goes from bad to worse to just awful. Who would have thought that the last place anyone in Brian Docherty’s situation should go, would be Ireland. I said the very same thing to a friend earlier today.
So, let’s pray for Brian tomorrow. If things go well, then he may end up being, like me, one of the few people in Scotland with a piece of paper from a doctor confirming that he is of sound mind! Truly, you couldn’t make it up!
I’ll also be offering my Rosary on behalf of Mr Docherty and his family.
This is a evil attack upon the family. May things go well for Mr Docherty.
Having agonised for days over this case, re-playing those YouTube videos repeatedly, I sadly find myself unable to just take Mr. Docherty at his word. The man seems sincere and concise when he puts his case, which makes it more difficult to doubt him. However, his story lacks certain information that I at least would want to know before forming any judgment. And so, I am going to play the Devil’s Advocate in an attempt to gain a fuller picture of the events surrounding this incredible case.
According to Mr. Docherty, the man who made the original proposition for access to his 5-year-old autistic boy is a “7 fingered alcoholic”. But it seems odd to me that this stranger just sidled up to the father of an autistic child and offered him £25.000 for perverted access to his little boy. That was a very risky thing for a paedophile to do given that these deviant types generally keep a very low profile, operating their wickedness from the shadows. I mean, he was not to know whether the father (Mr. Docherty) would react violently towards him for making such a filthy suggestion and do him some serious bodily harm in response? Fathers have killed other men for less.
So, we need to know from Mr. Docherty just how well he knew this man and how said man knew his little boy was autistic. Mr. Docherty also claims that this man wanted the boy because his autism makes it difficult for him to communicate. But lots of 5-year olds don’t communicate well at that age, so that was never going to guarantee the boy’s future silence. And where was this maimed drunkard going to find £25,000? From Lord Petersham?
And what is the relationship between this man and Lord Petersham? Mr Docherty makes the link, incriminating both, but does not say how they know each other. Furthermore, he states that Lord Petersham has influence within Social Services, alluding to corrupt individuals who may even be part of a paedophile ring. But if there are paedophiles within the local Social Services with regular access to countless children (perish the thought), then why would they risk exposure of their criminal activity by publicly presenting a proposition to a respectable father of four in the forlorn hope that he might just take the money and hand his little boy over to such evil. For me, this makes no sense.
As for police corruption in the case, would it not have been far easier for a corrupt police officer to simply have informed Mr. Docherty that he had spoken to the accused, who denied the allegation. It would then have come down to one man’s word against another and the police would have been able to walk away without taking further action. Even if Mr. Docherty pursued the allegation at a higher level, the same answer would have come down to him. This begs the question of why the police in this case apparently chose another avenue to go down, which was to target Mr. Docherty with the intention of destroying both him and his family.
And so we find this extraordinary situation develop whereby Police Scotland, the Irish Garda, three different national governments, Interpol and the Social Services institutions of both Scotland and Ireland collude with priority against Mr. Docherty and his family with a view to their destruction while the press remains quiet. But if the press is into the conspiracy as well, then why did they plaster the names of Lords Janner and Britain all over the news and newspapers when these men were controversially accused? Again, this doesn’t add up.
And what about these various ongoing enquiry boards whose remit is to uncover potential child sexual abuse by high profile paedophiles? Have they been approached by Mr. Docherty?
Now, just a few more questions:
Why isn’t Mr. Docherty’s wife by his side lending moral and factual support when he records his YouTube video updates? Perhaps there is a good reason for this, or perhaps Mrs. Docherty has upheld her husband’s allegations on Facebook, which I have no access to. It’s a pertinent question that needs to be answered for reasons of credibility.
And how is it possible that Mr. and Mrs. Docherty, who, by their own testimony have not been charged with any crime or accused of being bad parents, be brought before a court of law threatened with psychiatric sectioning? There is a very complicated process in place for sectioning people that involves professional psychiatric assessment on a number of levels. The two main criteria that must be proven for sectioning those suspected of mental distress are that the person must represent a violent danger to himself and/or others, or have lost all sense of reality and not know where he/she is. Not even a corrupt band of conspirators in high office can circumvent this process.
I hope Mr. Docherty does come on to the blog to expand on what we already know, for there remains much that we don’t know and I hope he will kindly take the time to fill the gaps, to which I would add a few other short questions such as his reason for moving from Glasgow to Fraserburgh, how long he lived there and was he in work as a teacher at the time when this all began.
Athanasius,
Thank you for that excellent “Devil’s Advocate” comment.
I have to say that I took quite some time before posting this thread because I asked some of the same questions. I also wondered why Mr Docherty didn’t show more emotion – in his place, even as a Great Aunt, I would be pulling my hair out expressing my upset at the loss of a niece/nephew, never mind as a parent having all of my children put into foster care. Of course it would be a mistake to be too emotional on camera, as that could be used as evidence of hysteria/mental imbalance, but there is an in between area where it should be considered natural to show some level of distress.
The case came to me via home-schoolers, and these, as a group, are generally very concerned about potential government interference in family life, as we saw in our discussions about the forthcoming legalising of the Named Person / State Guardian for every child in Scotland from pre-birth to 18 years of age. Thus, many parents are only too ready to accept the truth of claims such as those made by Brian Docherty, which may, or may not have substance. It is quite some time, to be honest, since I viewed the first video and am informed that there are many other videos, which include the mother speaking as well (in two of these videos).
However, like you, I would welcome Mr Docherty’s participation in this discussion to answer the questions you have raised. I’m assured that he intends to contribute to this conversation as soon as possible, not today since he is in court in Ireland today and tomorrow.
Until then, let’s allow him the benefit of the doubt.
Once Mr Docherty has the freedom to leave Ireland I suggest he should nip over to North Korea for a couple of weeks to get used to a more friendly way of life.
North Korea even has a more handsome president.
To die for Frankier!
I came across this facebook page.
I previously watched two video clips a couple of days ago showing Mr. Docherty’s wife speaking about her grief and was going to copy and paste them here but they have been taken down.
https://www.facebook.com/endakennyswatergate
I think Athanasius has a lot of excellent points, it would be good if Mr. Docherty can give us some clarity.
I did watch 10 of his 28 youtube videos only a couple of days ago but all 28 have been taken down. If you view them from youtube directly, they have been taken down, however, if you go onto the his facebook page or the video attached to this article you can view them but not the same videos directly from youtube.
Two of his videos shows his wife telling of her grief. It is all so sad and confusing – sometimes you don’t know what to make of things – I certainly think there is something underhanded going on. Also remember when the McCanns appeared on television to tell their story, I found them to be very calm and in control showing no emotions – maybe that is the advice given to these people, although, if it was me I couldn’t help showing how upset I was but maybe showing emotions, shows that you are not in control of yourself. Hopefully, we will hear something soon.
I would just like to add that a few years ago I read about another case in Aberdeen concerning an Aberdeen paedophile ring with a girl called Hollie Greig which seems to be very suspicious too – I definitely think there is something sinister happening in Aberdeen – see http://holliedemandsjustice.org/
Catherine,
Thank you for that – good point about the McCanns. In fact, in one video on YouTube, Mr McCann, solemn throughout the interview, asked at the end if they were finished and on hearing “yes” immediately began laughing. So, I suppose that kind of grief (which must be tinged with the hope of having children returned) doesn’t always show itself as we imagine it should.
Interesting that the wife was also in two of the videos – I’d have liked to see those but when I Googled, the message was that those videos were not there “yet.” Possibly a standard YouTube message when videos have been removed.
We did discuss the Hollie Greig case on this blog some time ago – another controversial case which has had no media coverage as far as I know. All very odd.
I am a sometimes lurker and I would also caution about this case. I know nothing other than the few YouTube videos posted I found linked from your site. Whilst I agree that in the big picture there is a frightening agenda as you described, some things in this man’s videos do raise concern that he is not mentally well, e.g. claiming his water is being poisoned. Also the wife has an unusual video too. I am not trying to shame or attack this couple, and I believe that a truly Catholic society Would help and support the mentally ill even as parents, but… I’m just not sure this is the case to hang your hat on, so to speak.
LadyCáit,
We’re not “hanging our hat” on this case – this thread was launched many weeks after first request. As for the poisoned water – this is the first I’ve heard of it. I did say from the outset to those who asked me for the discussion thread, that the usual procedure is for the police to speak to the accused and if there is nothing to pursue, that would be the end to it; there would be, in such a case, no need for police corruption – that’s the system. if they persecuted everyone who made an allegation, not only would they be busy with bells on, but few of us would make allegations and before they’d know it, they’d be out of jobs!
The fact is, there are serious injustices in the family court system – the BBC Panorama about forced adoptions which we featured on this blog some time ago, made that crystal clear. The last person to speak on that film was a retired family court judge who said that the secrecy of the family courts must end. There ARE injustices, and it seems to be the case that too many children are being put up for adoption for no good reason; in the cold light of day when it’s the family/parents’ word against the Establishment, the Establishment wins every time – refer yet again to that chilling BBC Panorama.
However, as already acknowledged, we do need answers to the questions posed by Athanasius, and perhaps next week, with, hopefully, his children returned by the Irish court hearing his case today and tomorrow, Brian Docherty might provide the answers next week at some point.
Thank you for your reply.
I completely agree with you about the big picture, 100%.
There is a certain video of his, some may have seen, I feel mixed about describing it here because even if he removes them all as he has done, memories might live on in third party websites from commenters like me. At any rate, there are two very concerning videos and I believe this man might not be well. I truly agree with the about the big picture forced adoptions, etc. I was just trying to warn you that this might not be the case to champion in the way presented. I wasn’t trying to argue only warn. Again, I feel hesitant even posting this comment because of my sensitivity to privacy that might be due even when someone isn’t in a state to know he needs it, if you understand me. I know your heart is in the right place. Thank you for caring about family rights. We are allies.
LadyCáit,
Thank YOU for YOUR reply to MY reply 😀
I note your concern about the “concerning videos” (not having seen them, I can’t comment) but I am concerned that you consider us to be “championing” Mr Docherty’s “cause”. I have already explained that that is not the case.
Having been asked to publicise Mr Docherty’s claims, that is how I “presented” (to use your word) his alleged dilemma. If you read the blog article again, you will see that I refer to Mr Docherty’s “claims” and “allegations” and “if true…” (if his claims “have substance”, is the phrase I believe I used) because we cannot take such serious allegations at face value, as you rightly warn, albeit that we (certainly speaking for myself) are more inclined than not to believe such claims, since the authorities well and truly have “form” on this sort of family interference.
As for my heart being in the right place – thanks for that. It’s my brain that we’re really talking about, though, and my enemies have opined that it is to be found (if it exists at all) in various places but never in the right one!
Delighted that we are allies – and thank you for your contributions here, much valued. Don’t lurk – join us; you’re a thinker and we could use one of those! (Kidding folks!)
Thank you for your kind reply.
I’ve asked my contact, who is in email correspondence with Brian Docherty, to find out what happened in his court hearings at the end of this week, and to let us know if his children have been returned. Will report back in due course.
Update: my contact has emailed Mr Docherty to ask him about the court hearings/return of children, so will let you know as soon as there is news from him.
I’ve now had an email from my contact and, to be frank, what I’m hearing is actually unconvincing. I’ve been sent letters he’s written to everybody and their granny, but no replies, not even an acknowledgment, so that’s not evidence of anything. A full blown sceptic might ask if he even posted the letters.
I’ve asked my contact to let Mr Docherty know that unless he comes on here to answer our questions by close of business on Tuesday, I will be deleting this thread. Having Googled his name, I’m finding that just about everything online about him traces back to this thread. Not good enough.
Watch this space. If we don’t hear from Mr Docherty by Tuesday, close of business, it will BE a (blank) space!
I have read the comments on the blog with great interest.
Everything seems so incredible and exaggerated that it has to be either the ravings of a couple of nut cases, or a conspiracy of enormous proportions.
After all, could a judiciary conspire with corrupt politicians, nobility, and the police to punish good people or families that disagree with what they are doing?
A quick look at the lives of St. John Ogilive, St Oliver Plunket, St. John Fisher, St. Thomas More, St. Joan of Arc, St. Margaret Clitheroe, and so many other Catholic saints and martyrs would provide the answer!
The spiritual descendants of those who condemned our Catholic heroes mentioned above are still in control, and It is the politicians of our country that have ‘legalised ‘ the murder of innocent children before birth and sodomite ‘marriage’, and the judiciary and law enforcement officers will come for you if you put up too much opposition to either of these abominations.
I have a friend in Ireland whom I asked to check out Brian Docherty. My friend said he knew Brian while he was as student in Glasgow, through the pro-life movement. My friend did meet up with Brian at my request, and says he is the is convinced of the truth of Brian’s statements.
Brian and Janis moved to rural Ireland to get away from these people, but they have pursued them. They were not looking for a fight. They has moved house 4 times, and they still purse him and his family.
Their phone is bugged, so they obviously cannot use it. They have contacted me via a secure e-mail provider.
A series of letters were attached, an excerpt of the one to Nicola Sturgeon says:“Someone broke into our house last night and tried to kill us. People broke into our house and set fire to peat with the intention of spreading a fire. Logs, wooden chairs and a basket of kindling had been moved beside the peat. There was no fire on when we went to bed around 11.30pm. Indeed, we could not get the fire to light and the door to the stove was closed.”…“It seems to us the clear intention was to get my wife and I to leave the house due to the fire and then we would be easy prey to be either killed or knocked unconscious and brought back inside to die in a ‘house fire’. Around 7.45 am this morning, still dark but getting light, we heard a Scottish voice shout “f***!”.
I complained about Police Scotland senior officer corruption and criminality against my family back in September 2015 and there has not been any investigation.
When we went downstairs during the night we could not see into the living room it was so thick with smoke.
Half an hour after we had opened a window we were able to see that there was a fire burning on the living room floor.
This is not the first attempt on our lives this week.”
As I said at the beginning, this has to be either the ravings of a couple of nut cases, or a conspiracy of enormous proportions.
I understand fully why people are skeptical, but given the track record of the sons of darkness in this country, I am fearful for this family, and pray for them every day.
St John Ogilvie,
Thank you for your comment, but I’m afraid it doesn’t answer any of the questions raised, and which I understood Brian Docherty was set to do after his court case in Ireland – assuming there WAS a court case in Ireland.
You see, when there are such fantastic allegations made, with the gaps/questions remaining unanswered, a simple gal like me, tends to doubt everything – absolutely everything – else.
It’s simply not enough to repeat Mr Docherty’s claims. That comes into the category of “well, he would say that wouldn’t he?”
And, with respect, citing the martyrs as examples of injustices akin to the Brian Docherty situation doesn’t work. We know about the martyrs from the pens of various writers,and from eyewitnesses of the time. We only have Brian Docherty’s word for any of his allegations.
My contact told me about the claim that Mr Docherty’s phone is bugged, so I sent a message to him to go to a public phone box and ring me, collect, and I will pay for the call. Reply? He’s way out in no-man’s land with no payphones around. Just gets more and more fantastic, with every email. I mean, there is no way he can get to a public phone? No pubs? No hotels around? No neighbour to whom he can make an excuse to use their phone, collect, won’t cost them a penny? C’mon.
After hearing about this story for a very long time, off and on, and most recently several weeks ago, I gave Mr Docherty the benefit of every doubt and posted this thread. I’m afraid I’ve become less and less convinced of the truth of his claims. I’d love to be proven wrong, but only Mr Docherty or a first hand independent witness will be able to do that. Not just well meaning friends and supporters, repeating his claims and saying they believe him. Or even your friend meeting to hear his story and saying he believes him. I dare say if any of us met him and listened to his story we would believe him. The videos were very convincing. However, the questions remain. If the friend of yours who met him in Ireland can provide answers to any of the questions raised, let’s hear it. Until those questions are answered, however, I will remain, as I started out, not wholly convinced – not wanting to believe that Mr Docherty is not giving us the full story, but not wholly convinced that we have the full picture.
You write:
As I said at the beginning, this has to be either the ravings of a couple of nut cases, or a conspiracy of enormous proportions.
I reply:
Not necessarily. There might be an in-between explanation, but until we have the answers to our questions, we can’t make that judgment.
Just read your blog.
I am heartbroken for this family, whom I first had contact with through a rosary event several years ago.
When they got the children back the first time, we hoped to meet up with them when they came back for a visit to Scotland, because the judge ruled at that case that they were never to be tried for this ever again, as the psychiatric report established that both parents were sane, sensible, and good parents.
All they want is to get their children back safe and sound, but since the terrible events just before Christmas, they have distraught. But they cannot just do as the court asks, as some of you seem to suggest, as it it is not that simple. The court insist that Brian and Janis have another examination by a psychiatrist of the court’s choosing this time. They tried to do this before, but the previous jusge ruled that they could use their own psychiatrist.
The Docerty’s knew full well that the court was trying to have them sectioned, and the children taken off them permanently.
At the moment their children are seperated, and they can only their children for one hour a week, and that is supervised.
The pressures over the past two years have horrendous for them. I cannot begin to tell you.
A Child of Mary,
As Athanasius explained above, the law seems to be very strict about sectioning people and it is not an easy thing to do, due to the safeguards apparently in place. I’m no expert, but I would think that no court, no judge could be given responsibility for declaring someone insane on the say-so of one biased psychiatrist.
I find all the claims of trying to kill them etc. too incredible. Government agents do kill people but they pick their targets carefully and “take them out” speedily, leaving no trace. I’ve seen the movies! To suggest that the “powers that be” would make successive attempts to kill Mr Docherty, failing every time, and for nothing more than making an allegation that the cops don’t like, is just stretching even my fertile imagination a tad too far.
My offer to take his call from a public phone box collect, stands. In his place, I’d walk all night to find a public phone, if that’s what it took to get the facts out there.
Also..just as a poing of logic, so what if his phone is “bugged?” He has lost his children and claims attempts are made on his life. The worst has happened. Even if the authorities are indeed eavesdropping, so what? Why does that prevent him from telephoning thr editor? What worse reprocussions could happen from what the authorities overhear? The father seems to have no fear of detailing his case on YouTube videos, the cat is out of the bag. I don’t think the logic follows.
I say this as a Catholic homeschooling mom who is a huge family rights advocate and who totally believes that social services are just a Marxist conspiracy.
LadyCáit,
I agree about the logic. As you say, he didn’t think twice about making those YouTube videos, so what’s the problem with being overheard on the phone. The man’s got nothing to lose now, so he should do whatever it takes to get his children back, if the only reason they’ve been taken is because he made the paedophile allegation against his neighbour.
I’m afraid I’m one of those who is less trustful now that the questions have not been answered and hearing the new claims about his house being burned, phone bugged etc.
I am praying for this family, though. There’s obviously something wrong, so I’m keeping them in my daily prayers.
Dear Editor,
I would request that you keep this discussion thread open, at least, a little longer.
I do think this man is in genuine trouble, and afraid to speak up since the outcome of his latest court appearance on 13th and 14th January. Whatever the outcome from that hearing, he is obviously afraid to say more, especially if he has been commanded not to talk about it any further and be threatened with imprisonment as a result, thus putting himself in a more difficult position of getting his children back.
I don’t know the whole case, however, but it is rather suspicious and in light of the Hollie Greig, which was also alleged to be connected to this same ‘paedophile ring’, which I followed at the time, maybe you could keep the thread open just in case something else happens, and Mr. Docherty may then have access to a media platform, as he may need a little more time to think his next steps through.
My advice to him is to weigh up everything and decided if it is worth ‘calling their bluff’, and getting his full story out there now. He should pray for the virtues of fortitude and prudence in this next step.
My second piece of advice to Mr. Docherty would be this: If you (Mr. Docherty) decided to buy a cheap mobile phone and call the Editor of Catholic Truth, be assured that what you say will be treated with the utmost confidentiality.
Catherine,
I love your beautiful “avatar!”
I think based on your comments you have not seen the video “endagate” or with the guinea pig. I think the editor’s stance is the right one.
What’s scary is how real this could be. Not this case literally as presented by the father, but the fact that it is plausible says a lot about our understanding of the anti-family agenda.
LadyCait,
I thought I had seen the video with the Guinea pig but I don’t know what you mean exactly in your post to me. Sorry, maybe I’m not thinking clearly. Can you explain it to me.
Thanks
Catherine,
As I stated before, I feel really mixed about describing removed videos but so that I am clear and not just insinuating…
Two videos formed the opinion I have shared.
1. The father accusing Kenny of poisoning his water
2. The mother wondering how all this is affecting the pets. Not completely insane of course in and of itself, but unusual in a way that helped form my opinion.
For the record. Whatever is going on, and I don’t know, I think almost never should children be snatched and reassigned homes. In a variety of circumstances of non-ideal patenting, there are still better ways.
I also think that even when we don’t have a “perfect” victim it is still about state control of families. My friend is a social worker and says “the public believes it’s the worst cases of abuse that get taken into care, but it’s really a random sampling of the bottom 10% of parents. Actually abuse is rare among children in care. Mostly just taken from parents who are alcoholics, petty criminals, disorganised..etc” the targets of the state, traditional Chistians, need not be the ones directly affected. It’s enough for the system to operate and be present as a threat. So scary.
Lady Cait,
I watched the videos only once, I watched 10 of the 28 videos on YouTube. I obviously didn’t hear Mrs. Docherty say that about the pets. Personally, although I am not an animal lover, I don’t see why the importance of how this is affecting the pets is important in the grand scale of things. Some people I know seem to put animals on the same level of people, something I don’t understand. Regarding the mention of the water being poisoned. Maybe this did happen and if he was being rightly advised, he maybe should have omitted that our so as not to sound like a ‘nut. as once his case has been accepted and investigated as valid, everything else would come out in the wash so to speak. I agree, that when you put al the things together, it does sound crazy but that’s not to say it isn’t true. As I say Mr. Docherty, if he is telling the truth, is on his own dealing with a hugh situation which is outwith the normal realms of everyday problems of family life – Mr. Docherty needs good advice of what to do and say and how best to proceed. Regarding Social Services, I have read and heard enough stories, simply not too trust them for a second. Most professions now have ‘gone down the tubes’.
Catherine,
Since you put the case so eloquently, I will keep the thread open, with the rest, until the end of the month. I usually close all the threads at the end of each month, so, in an effort to be as fair as possible, I won’t make this thread the exception, after all.
I do hope Mr Docherty does either come on here to explain his situation personally, or rings me – and yes, he can be assured of my confidence in the sense that, if I am able to reassure the bloggers here that I’ve had the answers to specific key questions, although not free to publish them at this time, I think that would be acceptable to one and all.
LadyCáit,
I think that Catherine knows a great deal about Mr Docherty – she has been following his case for a long time now, if I’m not mistaken (though I might well be, since she also mentions the Hollie Greig case, so maybe I’m a bit mixed up on that); in any event, she is, herself, I recall from her contributions to the Named Person discussion, very concerned about the anti-family agenda and activities which can militate against families, e.g. trying to raise their children outside the PC box, so to speak!
So, at the risk of appearing to be weak, I’m agreeing to her request to leave the thread open. Perhaps, who knows, we’ll receive the answers to the questions raised after all, which won’t be possible if I stick to my original decision to close it.
Signed: Weak, Glasgow…
Have there been any updates on this..?
Concerned,
As far as I know, things are just the same. Will alert those who are in touch with Mr Docherty to your question, and let you know if things have changed. I am sure I did receive an email about a week ago but for the life of me can’t locate it. Hang in there – all will be revealed in due course!
Thankyou. Have you a private email i could contact you on?
Concerned,
I have received the following update:
Brian and Janice managed to find a solicitor to represent them, and had a court case last Monday, but the opposition asked the judge to postpone the case to a later date, , which the judge granted. They still do not have their children back.
Meanwhile, the landlord has forced them to leave their accommodation, and they are presently looking for somewhere to stay. They need lots of prayers. END OF UPDATE
You ask if I have a private email for you to contact me. The emails sent to editor@catholictruthscotland.com arrive directly into my inbox, so feel free to contact me on that. Nobody else reads the editor@ emails, be assured.
UPDATE…
Without going into details, which I am not free to divulge, we have done all the investigating possible and have concluded that – given the failure of Brian Docherty to come on to the blog as he indicated he would, to answer the questions raised here – we are unable to support his claims.
We urge everyone to pray for this family, as something is certainly amiss, but we cannot ascertain that Mr Docherty’s various allegations are true, and, in fact, considering all the information available at this time, we believe they lack credibility.
Thank you to everyone who contributed to this thread.
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