England: Catholic Primary To Accept Transgender “Girl” In New Term…

England: Catholic Primary To Accept Transgender “Girl” In New Term…

CT Blogger, Liam Jenkinson, has written to the Vatican with his concerns about the fact that “transgenderism” is being promoted in a Catholic primary school in his Diocese.  The letter, published below, is self-explanatory: 

To the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
Reference: Hallam Diocese- Transgender Policy
St Bede’s R.C Primary School P.P MGR.Ryan.    animated girl waving

The parish priest of this primary school is involved in a process whereby an 8 year old boy has been authorised to come to school dressed as a girl and to be treated in all respects as a girl. This is a grave public scandal and will severely damage the delicate consciences of the other people in the school most notably the children, headteacher and staff. It also creates a dangerous precedent whereby other schools will be unable to reject similar requests for transgender recognition and support.

According to expert opinion the Church teaching is that the gender written on a baptismal certificate remains for all time and is unchangeable and that subsequently there should be no connivance with any transgender issue. See ” legatus.orgcatholicschoolspolicyand transgender students by Edmund J Furton PhD. Director of publications National Catholic Bioethics Centre.”

You need to urgently deal with this grave ongoing scandal and wound on the Mystical Body of Christ by asking the Bishop, the Vicar General and Parish Priest to immediately reverse this decision.

Yours sincerely,



Kudos to Mr Jenkinson for refusing to remain silent on this hugely important deviation from the moral law, being authorised in a Catholic primary school.  Unlike the many members of the TSB (Talk Shop Brigade), Mr Jenkinson has chosen to be an apostle. To act.  Let’s hope his intervention bears the desired fruit so that this shocking permission is withdrawn. 

Comments (113)

  • gabriel syme

    I commend Mr Jenkinson for his letter and will pray it has the desired effect. Well done to him for sending the letter – many people will probably just grumble in private instead, too ambivalent, scared or lazy to take action.

    It really does beggar belief that a Catholic school could possibly – and willingly – give a platform to this kind of nonsense. I guess the episode highlights how secular approval is considered the main goal for some in the clergy and there is an aversion to difficult truths.

    Who would bet against the possibility that the priest in question would cite some of Pope Francis’ waffle as the justification for this move? (“Can a boy turn into a girl? No, but yes”.).

    That the school staff were going along with it is also a great indicator of the quality of the Catholic School “teacher approvals” process – just empty ritual.

    This is a depressing episode but I have hope it will be sorted out, for two reasons:

    – in September 2015, the CDF intervened in Spain to disallow a woman dressed up as a man from being a child’s Godfather.

    – a school in Michigan, USA, recently reversed its decision to introduce idiotic “transgender” policies, after parents started removing their children from the school roll in protest.

    The second example shows that parents do have power. The trouble is that most modern Catholics understand Christianity as the blithe toleration of anything and everything. They think that flouting Absolutes and Church law is the most Christian thing you could do. (Who in high office does that remind you of?)

    June 13, 2016 at 11:25 pm
    • Eileenanne

      If the school receives any public money, and typically Catholic schools In England are partly funded by local authorities, the school is probably powerless to prevent this from happening.

      June 14, 2016 at 12:11 am
      • editor

        That will, doubtless, be the excuse used by the diocese to explain away their cowardice. But it’s not the case.

        Ofsted literature spells out the fact that Catholic schools will not be examined on sex education because the Government accepts there is a different set of beliefs governing the topic. “Transgenderism” ditto, and if the Church authorities took a clear and uncompromising stance on these issues, the Government would not even consider taking them on. Nor would any lawyer. The fact is, the Bishops of the UK are a bunch of cowards; with no Catholic Faith and even less courage, they simply go along to get along. Sickening.

        Anybody who uses the excuse that the schools just have to comply as it’s Government policy or because they get public funding, is no Catholic. Nobody in their right mind, let alone a right-thinking Catholic, can accept and go along with the crackpot idea that a boy can leave school for the summer holidays a boy, and return in September, a girl.

        The Head should have firmly turned down the request – end of discussion. Asking the diocese for advice is asking for trouble.

        June 14, 2016 at 12:59 am
      • Athanasius


        “powerless” is not the same as compromised. These schools have a choice – either take public money and sacrifice the truth, or refuse the money and keep the faith. They are free to choose.

        June 14, 2016 at 1:47 am
      • Eileenanne

        Fair point, but how many parents could or would pay the high fees that would have to be levied if the schools became independent? In any case, we are not talking here about a variation in the curriculum which Catholic schools are permitted, but anti-discrimination legislation which may apply even to a private school, I don”t know about that. If it came to a court case, there is no guarantee the Catholic viewpoint would win out, especially since in this case, the child is already a pupil at the school. Should the child be expelled if he and his parents stick to their guns?
        There are probably times when it is legitimate to criticise schools for failing to uphold the Faith, but I honestly think in this case their hands are tied.

        June 14, 2016 at 8:56 am
      • Michaela

        Their hands are not tied. They either use their Catholic status to stand firm, or opt out of the system to become an academy or a free school or whatever it’s called. If all else fails, the parents should remove their children and put them in a non-denominational school if they can’t home-school, because it is an outrage to allow children to get the idea that they can switch genders. The influence of that boy/girl will spread and vulnerable, impressionable kids will be asking to switch genders as well. It’s a poison and I cannot believe that the parents will lie back and accept this without putting up a fight, just because the senior management of the school and the hierarchy of the Church have done so.

        Frankly, you sound like someone who has come to terms with all the immorality going on and as long as its legal in the eyes of David Cameron, Jeremy Corbyn and Nicola Sturgeon, it’s OK and their authority trumps the Church’s. They are mere human beings like the rest of us. They can’t re-set the moral code.

        Also, why should the parents have to cough up money if the schools opt out of getting public money and why should the schools not get public money like every other school? Why the anti-Catholic discrimination that makes them have to pay extra for their schools? That was what happened in Scotland before the 1918 Act when Catholics were paying twice for schools, and in the end the Government agreed to fund them if they came under LEA control, Why can’t the English do that as well?

        Personally, I would withdraw my child immediately from that school and if I couldn’t find a school in the Catholic sector that refused to go along with this transgenderism, I would either go to the non-denominational sector or home-school, even if it meant giving up my job and cutting down on my material quality of life. I would not be able in conscience to place my children in spiritual danger like exposing them to the influence of such immorality. I definitely wouldn’t accept the diocese telling me that their hands were tied just because of some human rule or threat of court. I’d call their bluff.

        June 14, 2016 at 11:26 am
      • Eileenanne

        Well they could try to use their Catholic status to stand firm. I am not convinced they would win the resultant court case.

        This is less about what schools and Catholic parents SHOULD be able to do and what they CAN do. Recognising what the law is and how it is likely to be applied, is not the same as approving of it.

        Schools in Scotland are entirely funded by the State, giving the Church even less power than in England, where the Church does make a financial contribution over and above what Catholics contribute through taxes. I don’t know enough about the English academies and Free Schools to have any idea whether that system would be advantageous for Catholic schools. Maybe it would be the answer, but I have a hunch they would still be subject to Equalities legislation. Maybe there is a lawyer on the blog who might know.

        June 14, 2016 at 11:51 am
      • editor

        So, I take it you think the school should do exactly what they’ve done and accept this new “girl” in the new term? Is that it? Nothing to discuss?

        June 14, 2016 at 12:50 pm
      • Eileenanne

        If they just say no, end of discussion, it is possible the parents would quietly take their child to be educated elsewhere and everything will be hunky dory for the school – till next time.

        More likely the parents will kick up a fuss, involve the press and take the school to court. As I have already said, I suspect the school would be told to comply with the Equalities legislation, but I am happy to hear an informed legal opinion on that. I would like to be wrong

        Another option would be for the Head to discuss with the parents what they can all do in the best interests of the child. In almost every respect, primary schools treat boys and girls the same anyway. The only difficulty I can see is which toilets and changing rooms the boy should use. In deference to what I assume would be the wish of parents of female pupils, he cannot be permitted to use the girls’ facilities.

        A good Headteacher, used to working with parents who are concerned only with their own child and not the rest, may be able to negotiate a satisfactory outcome, perhaps explaining to the parents that their son who wants to be their daughter will hear Catholic teaching on the unacceptability of changing one’s sex (if not immediately then at the Catholic secondary) and may be able to point them in the direction of appropriate counselling. Also If the family is Catholic, the PP should play a part in the discussions.

        I believe private discussion between parents and the school is the likeliest way forward to a good outcome for this poor child. Bishops and Congregations going in with guns blazing, or even with weapons carefully concealed is unlikely to be helpful.

        June 14, 2016 at 1:24 pm
      • editor

        “Bishops and Congregations gong in with guns blazing” used to be called defending the Faith and Morals. Was Pope Saint PIux X, “going in with all guns blazing” when he called out the Modernists? You bet!

        There is such deference to secular authority in this country that I find it nauseating. God’s law is subject to man’s horrendously fallible law, this shocking example being a case in point.

        As for the parents acting – yes, that is a way forward and it has made a difference in the USA but the fact that – hopefully – some, if not all, parents may act to end this scandal only heaps coals of fire on the heads of the churchmen who are doing nothing.

        Coincidentally, the Voice of the Family group are warning that parents are going to have to face up to martyrdom.

        As for informed legal opinion – I suspect that any lawyer will say what you’re saying, although my own legal eagle contacts are on holiday so I can’t check. So? Back full circle to whether or not the Catholic Education gurus, led by the Bishops, should permit the law of God to be blasphemed in this way or whether they should take a test case to court. After all, the child is not being refused an education. He’s just being refused permission to pretend he’s a girl.

        June 14, 2016 at 1:29 pm
      • Eileenanne

        So what do you suggest bishops/schools/ parents /other concerned Catholics do after the court case is lost? How do we get Catholic schools exempted from the equalities legislation? Do we really want to or might we have reason to fear it could lead to children being refused admission for having disabilities, or not speaking English well enough? I suspect there are Catholic parents who would be glad of an excuse not to have such children taking up what they see as too much of the teacher’s time to the detriment of their own children.

        June 14, 2016 at 1:39 pm
      • Margaret Mary

        I’m amazed that Eileenanne is clearly on the side of not acting against this transgender child being permitted in a Catholic school, using the same arguments that the LGBT crowd will use, thin end of the wedge, what about disabilities etc when there is no such comparison to be made, unless she actually believes the Trans propaganda.

        Just shows, this permissive attitude is everywhere, as if we didn’t know it.

        As for “after the court case is lost” – how does she know it will be lost?

        ps I can’t answer EA because there is no button to reply under her last post.

        June 14, 2016 at 2:11 pm
      • Margaret Mary

        What are we paying Catholic teachers for if not to make sure that the ethos of the school and the content of the curriculum is Catholic?

        No parent should have to do this battle. It’s up to the school to make sure they do not admit pupils in this condition, as they cannot help the Catholic ethos. I am horrified at this and can’t believe anybody could be so casual about it.

        June 14, 2016 at 1:37 pm
      • Eileenanne

        The child is already a pupil,at the school. I am not sure whether admission could be refused in these circumstances, but I am fairly sure it would not be permissible to expel him. Is wanting to change one’s sex a mental illness or disorder? If so, is expulsion from school an appropriate response?

        June 14, 2016 at 1:44 pm
      • editor

        In your view, Eileenanne, what IS an appropriate response from the school and diocese (not parents) to this situation?

        June 14, 2016 at 2:18 pm
      • Therese

        Margaret Mary

        Whether or not the parents should have to do this battle, I think they will have to, if they care enough about the Faith and about their children, because I doubt if the schools and the hierarchy will take on the fight.

        June 14, 2016 at 2:32 pm
  • Dano

    There is obviously, a very sad story in all of this.One wonders what Christ on earth ,would make of it

    June 14, 2016 at 9:13 am
    • Michaela


      I think Christ would be outraged and make it plain that the insult to God of denying the Maker’s design in making two genders, not umpteen genders are we are now told.

      He would also repeat the many OT warnings to bad pastors – “Woe to you”.

      June 14, 2016 at 11:28 am
      • Eileenanne

        But how would He treat the child?

        June 14, 2016 at 1:46 pm
      • editor

        Christ told us to allow the little children to come to Him and not to put obstacles in their way. The adults behind this sexual agenda, seeking to promote the latest in wacko-ism, are to blame for putting obstacles in the child’s way. How can the child ever get to truly know Christ, if he doesn’t realise that born a boy, he remains a boy. That is God’s will for him. If the parents won’t remove the obstacle, refusing to allow him to learn this elementary truth of creation, by pushing him into the female gender role, then the authorities must do so, as they insist on acting to protect children from other forms of abuse.

        Out of interest, though, I’d like to know what YOU think Christ would “make of it” – to quote the original question from Dano, who, interestingly didn’t answer his own question. Odd.

        We don’t know if there were any children among the money-changers when Our Lord took a whip to them and expelled those blasphemers from the Temple but if so, do you think He would have told any children participating/helping, to get on with their business since they were only children? Or, more likely, might He have told them to learn from their parents’ folly and go back home?


        June 14, 2016 at 2:25 pm
      • Eileenanne

        Jesus would obviously treat the child, and his parents, with love and compassion. In the Headteacher’s position I can’t imagine Him excluding the boy from the Catholic school or refusing to have him there in his new uniform and leaving it at that. Surely just saying no, end of discussion would not be Jesus’ way.
        I think He would try to lead the parents to see their child’s plight as something they should seek help to resolve, as good parents would with any other illness or disorder that affected their child’s well being. That might be best achieved if the Head took the approach I suggested earlier..

        June 14, 2016 at 2:40 pm
      • Margaret Mary

        Well then why didn’t Jesus treat the money changers in the temple with compassion? Or maybe compassion has different expressions?

        The Church has already said it is a disorder which cannot be accepted, That’s Jesus speaking. If Jesus physically appeared before them and said the same thing, I doubt if it would make any difference.

        June 14, 2016 at 2:58 pm
      • Eileenanne

        Should schools also refuse to accommodate disorders such as autism or Down’s syndrome? If it is a disorder, is the child culpable?

        June 14, 2016 at 4:20 pm
      • Eileenanne

        I don’t think this is a very good analogy. This poor child is suffering from a disorder, not deliberately disrespecting a holy place, and he needs help. The school should be focused on persuading and assisting the parents to get him that help. Saying no, end of discussion (and casting him out – if that is what you are suggesting) is not an appropriate response from a Catholic institution.

        June 14, 2016 at 4:26 pm
  • Eileenanne

    I’m amazed that Eileenanne is clearly on the side of not acting against this transgender child being permitted in a Catholic school, using the same arguments that the LGBT crowd will use, thin end of the wedge, what about disabilities etc when there is no such comparison to be made, unless she actually believes the Trans propaganda.

    I too am amazed – that anyone who actually read my posts could think that is what I was saying.

    Do you believe this child has a mental disorder/illness of some kind? Do you believe that excluding him from his school is the best way to treat him? If not, what would you do? Do you accept that expelling him from the school is probably illegal? Would you support the school / diocese / local authority spending possibly hundreds of thousands of pounds on a court case that is probably unwinnable? Given that the case could take a very long time, what should happen about the child’s education in the meantime?

    Just saying no, end of discussion, is simply not an option. This is a complex situation. Don’t let’s delude ourselves that there is an easy answer.

    June 14, 2016 at 2:31 pm
  • Therese


    What’s your answer?

    If a child is biologically male, merely thinking and feeling that he is female does not alter that fact, does it? I would certainly support any school/diocese/local authority if they are forced into the law courts; it may be that the time has come for Catholics to face imprisonment for their Faith; that’s not something anyone would relish, but we are supposed to be soldiers of Christ, and consequently be ready to fight for His Church and His law. Don’t you agree?

    June 14, 2016 at 2:45 pm
    • Eileenanne

      I have already outlined my suggestion. I would focus on helping this unfortunate child rather than fighting a court case, which which is probably unwinnable.

      June 14, 2016 at 2:51 pm
      • Therese


        So you’d “focus on this unfortunate child”. How? What would you do in practical terms if you were headteacher of this school?

        June 14, 2016 at 5:55 pm
      • Eileenanne

        See my posts at 1.24pm and 4.26pm. I don’t claim to have the magic bullet, but saying no,mend of discussion is NOT the best response to this complex situation.

        June 14, 2016 at 6:00 pm
      • Athanasius


        Are you for real? This unfortunate child will not be helped in the way she needs by accepting her into a Catholic school as though what her parents were claiming on her behalf, for she is far too young at the moment to know anything about sexuality, or should be, were perfectly natural and tolerable.

        The Catholic Church would be sending out a signal that unnatural inclinations, for that is what the Church calls them, are perfectly ok. What kind of message would that be to all the other Catholic children. Are they not important?

        I think the social services should be questioning that child’s parents to discover how their child of primary school age came to know anything about transgenderism. I don’t know about anyone else but when i was at primary school sex and sexual orientation were completely unknown to us. So the question for today’s liberal adults is: what are you doing to minds and souls of these little ones?

        June 14, 2016 at 10:55 pm
      • Eileenanne


        The child is a boy.

        Did you ever read The Famous Five? You may remember that George was a girl who wanted to be a boy. The idea that people might want to be a different sex was known to all of us children who were fans of Enid Blyton, and that was pretty much all of us.
        The difference is in how some adults now react to a child who has such an idea. I don’t think there was such a word as transgenderism then, but we knew of the concept without giving it much thought.

        June 15, 2016 at 9:33 am
      • editor

        That wasn’t “transgenderism” – as a friend of mine has just said on the phone: “that was mucking about”! My sister used to dress up in my brother’s clothes as a toddler (she later married and had five children, never once mentioned “changing gender”)

        It is downright ridiculous to see such playing (“mucking around”) and “Enid Blyton” humorous assertions as indications of what is now called “transgenderism” – they were no such thing. Children love dressing up – goodness I remember myself playing at being a cowboy! Believe me, despite this being a man’s world, as they say, I don’t want to join the ranks of those selfish, self-centred, cheeky…. you’ll get my drift, Athanasius and RCA Victor 😀

        June 15, 2016 at 9:59 am
      • Eileenanne

        My point was that today “George’s” parents might not have seen it as mucking about, or a phase she would outgrow, but as a sign that their daughter was unhappy as a girl and should be enabled to live entirely as a boy. There have always been tomboys and whatever the equivalent is for boys who want to behave like girls. The difference is that society, and some parents, are reacting differently.
        There is an issue to be addressed in the interests of the children so affected. Just saying no, end of discussion doesn’t help any of the misguided people who get caught up in this kind of situation, least of all the child.

        June 15, 2016 at 11:00 am
      • Athanasius


        I can’t believe that you’re actually trying to put a case for this child and his parents. Just goes to show how deep the rot of liberal Catholicism has penetrated into the minds and hearts of Catholics.

        The apostate who accepted this child into a Catholic school, not to mention the highly questionable parents of the poor wee soul caught in the middle of this battle for “gay equality” should be brought to book big time. As I said before, social services need to get in there to protect this child’s innocence from malevolent influences.

        June 15, 2016 at 12:11 pm
      • Eileenanne

        It might help if you actually read other posts before commenting. First you didn’t even know the child’s sex and now you didn’t realise the child is ALREADY a pupil at the school. You say I have “made a case” for the family when I have certainly not approved of the parents’ actions.
        I am surprised you are so ready to involve social services. My understanding of your previous references to them is that you do not rate them highly and generally see their involvement as unwarranted interference in the lives of families and usurpers of parental authority.

        June 15, 2016 at 2:03 pm
      • Therese


        I’ve seen your posts, which are as informative and useful in this regard as a chocolate fireguard. You clearly don’t have a clue what “focusing” on this child would mean in practical terms, and are just spouting rhetoric, signifying nothing.

        June 14, 2016 at 11:32 pm
      • Eileenanne

        And you way of handling the situation would be….?

        June 15, 2016 at 9:33 am
      • Athanasius


        I will answer for Therese because I know what she’ll say. Her way of handling the situation would be the way of the Church in healthier days, which is not to be seen to condone any behaviour that is against God’s law and the law of nature. This is not about one disturbed child, or more likely his disturbed parents. It’s about the moral teaching of the Church which is compromised the minute transgender behaviour is recognised as something normal and acceptable.

        Where is the mercy in giving out messages of support for this kind of thing, Eileenanne? Aren’t you and your fellow liberals the most hateful of all people towards these poor souls, willing as you are to overlook the gravity of immorality for the sake of appearing very humane in the eyes of the world? Where is real divine charity in any of this?

        June 15, 2016 at 12:21 pm
      • Therese


        You read my mind, but you expressed it better. Thanks.

        June 15, 2016 at 1:06 pm
      • Eileenanne

        So Athanasius, put yourself in the position of the Headteacher or PP in this case. What would you DO? If referring the matter to social services is your only answer, would you also expel the child from the school – probably illegal – or keep him there while the matter is investigated? Remember that social services are not noted for speedy action and that they will likely side with the parents.

        Where is real divine charity in any of this?

        I am reading your posts and wondering the same thing.

        June 15, 2016 at 2:10 pm
      • Therese


        You still haven’t said what YOU would do, in practical terms, and as a Catholic. You ask others what they would do; they tell you, but you refuse to be specific yourself. You talk about focusing, charity etc, but you don’t tell us what YOU would do. You have no hesitation in asking others to be specific, but you refuse to be so yourself. This is a syndrome that you have, and it’s very wearying.

        June 15, 2016 at 2:26 pm
      • Eileenanne

        Actually I am the only person here who HAS said what I would do apart from Editor whose stance of “No. End of discussion.” at least has the virtue of clarity even if it does nothing to help the situation for the child, his parents or the school.

        From my post at 1.24pm yesterday, to which I referred you at 6pm as you requested:

        Another option would be for the Head to discuss with the parents what they can all do in the best interests of the child. In almost every respect, primary schools treat boys and girls the same anyway. The only difficulty I can see is which toilets and changing rooms the boy should use. In deference to what I assume would be the wish of parents of female pupils, he cannot be permitted to use the girls’ facilities.

        A good Headteacher, used to working with parents who are concerned only with their own child and not the rest, may be able to negotiate a satisfactory outcome, perhaps explaining to the parents that their son who wants to be their daughter will hear Catholic teaching on the unacceptability of changing one’s sex (if not immediately then at the Catholic secondary) and may be able to point them in the direction of appropriate counselling. Also If the family is Catholic, the PP should play a part in the discussions.

        I believe private discussion between parents and the school is the likeliest way forward to a good outcome for this poor child. Bishops and Congregations going in with guns blazing, or even with weapons carefully concealed is unlikely to be helpful.

        I also referred you to another post at 4.26pm which I will leave you to find for yourself.

        It is probably not helpful for anyone that this situation has been made public. I wonder who did that. I guess it might have been the family – I hope it wasn’t the school.

        June 15, 2016 at 3:50 pm
      • editor


        Perhaps it’s because, having worked in schools, I know that there would never be a situation in any school in which parents would be told “no, end of discussion” on any issue relating to their child, that I didn’t elaborate further; I simply cut to the chase.

        What I (obviously) meant was that the conversation which would obviously take place between parents and school on this issue must be based on the fact that there would be no question whatsoever, that the child could return to school dressed as a girl any more than he could return to the school dressed as a donkey.

        All of the issues which you outline, such as use of toilets, would, of course, be covered but even if there were to be found some compromise in these practical issues, the discussion would have to be underlined by the fact that there is no way this boy is going to be re-introduced to his classmates as a girl.

        The Head should be prepared to quote the statements from the Vatican on this, which are crystal clear, AND – as delicately as she knows how – the research into this phenomenon as a mental disorder.

        If the parents are determined to pursue the matter, then they should be told to apply to another school where “Amber” would be unknown and thus limit the risk of bullying. Not to mention the risk of spreading the phenomenon. This could, after all, become the latest craze in schools, as it has become so in the wider society.

        So, when I said “no, end of discussion.” I didn’t really mean there would be no discussion. Just no discussion on changing the school policy which is based on Catholic teaching.

        I hope that clarifies my position.

        PS I notice your usual dislike of publicity, in your concluding paragraph. You want this sort of thing to remain behind closed doors. Why? There is nothing to fear from the truth and everything to fear from this poison spreading and damaging the souls of the other pupils in the school. Is anyone thinking about them? Scripture is clear about bringing evil out into the light. I believe it was a grandparent who brought this particular evil into the light – reporting it to the Vatican and posting his letter on this blog. Catholic Truth at your service…

        June 15, 2016 at 4:48 pm
      • Athanasius


        Remember that it is a Catholic school with a government approved Catholic ethos to maintain. No one could consider as “illegal” a Catholic headteacher’s decision to refuse entry to this child on the grounds that the child and its parents are so clearly and publicly opposed to Church moral teaching. It’s the sensible decision to make, the alternative meaning a compromise of divinely revealed moral teaching.

        So who would you offend if put in this position, God or men? I know who has my fidelity.

        By the way, I suggest you pray for the grace to be able to distinguish between divine charity, which is the love of God, His Commandments and immortal souls above and before all else, often under persecution, and philanthropy, which is motivated by purely humanist concerns and is always received with applause by the world. As things stand, I’m not in the least surprised to learn that my previous comments are confusing for you.

        June 15, 2016 at 8:00 pm
      • Eileenanne


        It is generally illegal in this country to discriminate in grounds of what is called “gender identity”. I am not a Lawyer but my expectation is that this would apply to schools. Whatever YOU may think, I suspect any court in England would deem it illegal to expel this child. Whether it is illegal to exclude him has nothing to do with God’s law and everything to do with the law of the land as passed by our democratically elected parliament. One thing I am sure you and I can agree on, is that some of these laws are highly immoral, but that does not mean a publicly funded institution can flout them with impunity.
        Even if this Head expelled the boy, (you seem to have failed to grasp/accept that he is already a pupil at the school) all that would happen is that he would lose his job. Even if he were prepared to make that sacrifice, it would not help the child or his family, or the other pupils at the school, since his replacement would almost surely be someone more sympathetic to the parents’ request. You are simply refusing to acknowledge the reality of the situation. It is very far from as simple as you would like. The world is NOT as you would like it to be, and continually lamenting that fact will not make it so.

        I am not in the least confused by your previous posts. It is quite clear that you did not read the original post properly and that since then you have merely reiterated what the situation OUGHT to be, and contributed little about how to deal with the situation as it exists.

        You have absolutely no idea what I need to pray for.

        June 16, 2016 at 2:36 pm
      • Athanasius


        So what you would propose, or at least argue in favour of, is that Catholics should bend to the will of Lucifer in order to preserve themselves from persecution?

        No, Catholics are not permitted to break the divine law in favour of the immoral laws of governments. The martyrs sacrificed their lives for the truth. It is not therefore admissible today for Catholics to sacrifice the truth. We are either for Christ or against Him, there is no middle ground, no compromise. Souls are far too important to discard for peace’ sake.

        They must be prepared to go to prison rather than set a scandalous precedent like this! But that wouldn’t happen because there is still enough Catholicism left in this country to generate a riot if such an injustice were to occur.

        June 16, 2016 at 3:01 pm
  • RCA Victor

    It should be obvious to us all that, for the most part, “Catholic” schools in the UK are no longer Catholic except in name. That is, they have retained a Catholic façade while hollowing out the interior, which is now pagan and will only become more so. Editor’s past teaching experiences confirm that this hollowing out has been going on for many years – spurred on, of course, by the new [dis-]orientation of VII.

    So it doesn’t really beggar belief that some poor “transgender” kid has been accepted into a “Catholic” school, since the “Catholic” schools are anything but Catholic. What does beggar belief, in my opinion, is first, that anyone with even a modicum of retention of their faculties could take this so-called gender ideology seriously. Not only the depraved idea that a surgical procedure on one’s genitals can change one’s sex, but even more preposterously, the idea that anyone who claims, even without surgery, that they are now a member of the opposite sex, simply because they “feel” that way, is someone whose “needs” and “rights” must be addressed!

    And second, that the apparently deranged parents of this poor child are actually allowing him to go down this utterly sick road, and supporting him in his claim to be a girl. Why haven’t the parents been investigated by the UK thought police? They are obviously unfit to be parents.

    But how are sane parents to respond to this? I would think that they would (a) withdraw their children from the school immediately and home-school; (b) withdraw from the parish with which the school is associated, or at the very least, stop giving that parish their money; (c) look for a traditional Catholic school. At any rate, I hope this insanity, esp. if it is allowed to go unchallenged, provokes a mass exodus from the corrupt diocesan “Catholic” school system.

    Which leads me to a question: are there any traditional Catholic schools in the UK? Does the SSPX have any plans to open one? What about the Fraternity, or the ICK?

    Finally, I’m reminded of Sister Lucy’s statement that Satan’s final attack will be against the family. In my opinion, he has already gone well beyond that: this attack is directed against the very essence of being human. And there are apparently all too many useful idiots ready to cooperate.

    June 14, 2016 at 5:06 pm
    • editor

      RCA Victor,

      “Editor’s past teaching experiences confirm that this hollowing out has been going on for many years…”

      Shucks, thanks for that reminder. And in my birthday month too…

      Like you, I cannot believe that anyone takes this “transgender” baloney seriously, but they do. And those parents? Well, apart from the immorality of it all, unless this school has a pupil population that is 200% different from every other school in the land, that child will be subject to bullying of one kind or another. So, the parents are really being totally unkind to this child, using him for their own political purposes, furthering a sexual agenda, if I’m reading the whole thing correctly.

      No doubt someone will tell me if I’m reading it all wrong, but I doubt it.

      I have to be away from my computer for a few hours, so no guessing my age now, that’s forbidden. As in prohibited!

      June 14, 2016 at 5:39 pm
      • RCA Victor


        I had a feeling you would zero in on that sentence! Call me clairvoyant…but not clairvoyant enough to guess your age!

        June 14, 2016 at 7:36 pm
      • Liam Jenkinson

        From Liam Jenkinson

        It appears that Pope Francis et al gets somethings right. Please follow this link!


        June 14, 2016 at 8:37 pm
      • editor


        Thank goodness for small mercies. Many thanks for posting that link.

        I hope you’ve sent the link to this thread, both to the school Head Teacher and the Diocese. If not, let me know and I will do so later. I’ll be away from my computer for a few hours but on return will search for the links and email them to the powers-that-be in Hallam.

        June 15, 2016 at 10:14 am
      • Vianney

        Editor doesn’t let on about her age anymore. Not since the time there where so many candles on her cake that the heat set off the fire alarm.

        June 14, 2016 at 10:34 pm
      • Athanasius


        I heard that those candles burnt another hole in the O Zone layer. Maybe we should henceforth get the wummin a bigger cake and stick something akin to the size of a Paschal candle in the middle to make the point with less environmental impact.

        June 15, 2016 at 1:06 am
      • RCA Victor


        To combat that damage to the O Zone layer, maybe we could sing some O Antiphons….

        June 15, 2016 at 1:55 am
      • editor

        Vianney, Athanasius, RCA Victor,

        I’m wounded. Truly wounded. You’ll all be sorry when you learn that I’ve taken my carbon footprints and moved to the furthest corners of the globe, somewhere that doesn’t have internet access and you’ll never hear from me again…

        Don’t all cheer at once!

        June 15, 2016 at 10:12 am
      • RCA Victor


        Don’t worry, I’d follow your carbon footprints anywhere, even unto the ends of the earth! I might need a few more zeros added to my paycheck, though, to pay for travel expenses and such…

        June 15, 2016 at 3:42 pm
      • editor

        Again? I’m never done adding zeros to your paycheck/pay cheque.

        You Americans don’t half spell funny… I mean, which makes more sense “cheque” or “check” ?

        Don’t answer that. I get it now… 😀

        June 15, 2016 at 9:49 pm
      • RCA Victor


        Ever heard of a chess player winning with a “cheque-mate”? The prosecution rests…

        June 16, 2016 at 12:10 am
      • Vianney

        Editor, why have you moved to Saltcoats?

        June 15, 2016 at 7:37 pm
      • editor


        They’ll get you for that, the Ayrshire folks. They’re not always singing “Oh I do like to be beside the seaside…” you know… 😀 Don’t think you can take advantage of their good nature(s)…

        June 15, 2016 at 9:47 pm
      • Athanasius


        Just make sure you avoid the North Pole. There’s enough melting of the ice cap going on there right now, according to the BBC (The British Bolshevik Corporation)!

        June 16, 2016 at 1:07 pm
      • Vianney

        Athanasius, I think it would be safer to stick to battery operated candles as they don’t generate any heat.

        June 15, 2016 at 7:32 pm
      • editor

        You really don’t give up do you….!

        June 15, 2016 at 9:48 pm
    • gabriel syme

      RCA Victor,

      The SSPX does have a school in the UK. As far as I’m aware, its the only traditional Catholic school in the UK. It is situated “dahn saff”, to the West of London.

      The School has, as one would expect, an excellent reputation. However the location and cost mean its sadly not an option for some parents. I would love a traditional school for my child(ren), but would not like to be parted with them for long periods (as would be required for a school a long distance away).

      Recently, in the UK publication of the SSPX “Ite Missa Est”, there was a brief mention of the possibility of a Junior School being opened in Glasgow. However, it was just one line and I have heard nothing more about it, and so I presume that is a long term goal, rather than a short term possibility.

      June 14, 2016 at 9:18 pm
    • Vianney

      There is a school in the south of England but it has never had much support from Scots. A few years ago the then District Superior tried to persuade some parents in Edinburgh to send their children to the school. The parents all said that they didn’t believe in boarding schools because children should be with their own families and not hundreds of miles away. One father asked what history was taught as the school and the reply was “English history of course.” the father said that he wanted his children to learn about Scots history so they were staying in Scotland. An Irish friend told me about a lady who attends the same Mass Centre as her and who had a son at the school in England. The mother was complaining that the boy knew nothing about Ireland and my friend said “well what do you expect if you send him to school in another country?”

      June 14, 2016 at 10:31 pm
      • RCA Victor

        Gabriel Syme & Vianney,

        I found the following notice in the May/June issue of Ite missa est, under the heading “Online Apostolate” on page 9:

        “We are looking for homeschoolers
        to help setup an automatic online
        catechism school as a resource to
        all Catholics anywhere. This is not
        a replacement for formal religious
        instruction, but a lifeline and an
        aid. Something may exist already,
        but we haven’t found it yet. All volunteers
        please apply to district.uk@

        June 14, 2016 at 11:22 pm
      • Margaret Mary


        I have heard very mixed reports about that school but I don’t believe in boarding schools anyway. A child needs to bond with his own family, especially mother, and you can’t do that if you are only seeing them during holidays. If parents can’t home-school then they just need to supply what’s missing in the faith education as best they can, IMHO.

        June 16, 2016 at 12:45 pm
  • Liam

    Extract from Theresa’s excellent blog on general discussion blog.
    Criminal proceedings initiated against Cardinal Canizares for inciting “hate crimes” in a recent homily on the family which he preached in Spain. An extract from his sermon: “The family is haunted today in our culture by an endless threat of serious difficulties and this is not hidden from anyone. We have legislation, contrary to the family, the action of political and social forces with added movements and action of the gay empire of ideas such as radical feminism or the most insidious of all, gender theory.”

    On 3rd June a criminal complaint of hate speech was filed against the Cardinal by a coalition of pro LGBT associations in Spain including the communist party. This should add some weight in the universal church at least to my letter to the CDF concerning the 8 year old boy now accepted and treated as girl at a local Catholic primary school. Copies of my letter to the CDF went to Cardinal Nichols, The Bishops Conference of England and Wales as well as the Vatican.

    Any chance of us swapping Cardinal Nichols for Cardinal Canizares?

    June 15, 2016 at 1:56 pm
  • RCA Victor

    It appears there is still some sanity amongst the medical profession. The American College of Pediatrics issued (in March) a policy statement called “Gender Ideology Harms Children.” http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children

    June 15, 2016 at 3:55 pm
    • Margaret Mary

      RCA Victor,

      That is a fantastic article, The very beginning of it says it all – I’m copying and pasting the introduction, but the whole thing is worth reading:

      “The American College of Pediatricians urges educators and legislators to reject all policies that condition children to accept as normal a life of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex. Facts – not ideology – determine reality.

      1. Human sexuality is an objective biological binary trait: “XY” and “XX” are genetic markers of health – not genetic markers of a disorder. The norm for human design is to be conceived either male or female. Human sexuality is binary by design with the obvious purpose being the reproduction and flourishing of our species. This principle is self-evident. The exceedingly rare disorders of sex development (DSDs), including but not limited to testicular feminization and congenital adrenal hyperplasia, are all medically identifiable deviations from the sexual binary norm, and are rightly recognized as disorders of human design. Individuals with DSDs do not constitute a third sex.1 ”

      Thanks for posting that link, RCA Victor. I’m going to make good use of it.

      June 16, 2016 at 12:43 pm
  • RCA Victor

    Here is an article, from a pro-“gay” website, outlining the intimate connection between the Communists/Socialists and the “gay-rights” movement: http://politicalaffairs.net/the-communist-movement-and-gay-rights-the-hidden-history/

    June 15, 2016 at 3:59 pm
    • Liam

      Your last contribution re. American medical profession is invaluable and has gone straight into the dialogue in Hallam diocese.
      Many thanks

      June 16, 2016 at 10:24 am
      • RCA Victor

        Liam and Margaret Mary,

        You’re very welcome. I should have posted it much earlier in this thread, as I came across it soon after the link appeared on John Vennari’s website, but….

        FYI, the American College of Pediatrics is not the main association of pediatricians here in the US. They broke away from that group about 14 years ago, I believe, when they could no longer tolerate the mainstream embrace of deviant behavior. This just in case your liberal opponents point this out and use it as an excuse to dismiss the information.

        June 16, 2016 at 5:54 pm
  • Eileenanne

    Re your post at 4.48pm. What you say you would ACTUALLY do is so close to what
    I said myself that Athanasius and Therese would have been saved the trouble of disagreeing with me had you elaborated sooner.
    I was unaware that I had displayed a “usual dislike of publicity”. Can’t think when, but never mind. My objection to the publicity given in this case is that the diocese, the school and and the PP have all been named, thus making the child easily identifiable and denying him the right to confidentiality. The issue could have been discussed without anyone revealing those details.

    June 15, 2016 at 5:24 pm
    • editor


      I didn’t say what I would “actually” do at all, I simply stated what the school MUST do, if it is to be considered remotely Catholic. I’m afraid your posts makes it seem that you would seek to accommodate this child, whatever compromises could be found.

      As for identifying the child – that’s the parents’ fault. They should have thought of that before encouraging their child to pursue this crackpot notion that he could re-invent himself as “Amber”. Before giving the green light to “Amber”, so to speak, they should have considered the fact that they were potentially exposing their child, not just to bullying at school, but also to widespread publicity. They should have, to continue the metaphor, stopped at the red light to survey the rest of the traffic. Am I good with metaphors or what?

      Are you suggesting that parents of other pupils in the school, and the concerned grandparent to wrote to the Vatican are somehow to blame for not caring enough about the “rights” of the “transgender” child? Gimme strength.

      I don’t think you’re booked for our conference. Pity. You really need to be there.

      June 15, 2016 at 5:38 pm
      • Eileenanne

        O dear Editor, you really are splitting hairs now.
        You say you said what MUST be done, not what you would actually have done. How can they be different. Would you not have done what must be done? (Retires confused…)

        June 16, 2016 at 2:44 pm
      • editor

        Well, how was I to know I’d have to explain to anyone living in the 21st century that schools don’t just say “no, end of discussion” to parents with a problem child?

        So, you think it’s splitting hairs to distinguish between unchangeable moral teaching and school procedures (parents making appointments, meeting with Heads, chatting about child’s problem, blah blah) ?

        WOW! Worse than I thought.

        June 16, 2016 at 4:41 pm
      • editor

        By the way, lest there be any doubt as to what I, personally, would ACTUALLY do, were I that Headteacher, allow me to tell you.

        I would invite the parents in for a chat, cup of tea, and smile sweetly (I hope).

        Then I would ask them to outline the problem, as they see it. I’d make sure they considered bullying etc. as an aside, pleasant enough chit-chat before explaining clearly that…

        Nobody, neither myself as Head, or anyone in the Diocese, has the authority to recognise anyone’s “sex-change.”

        I’d hand them a very clear (simplified if necessary) copy of the Vatican statement on the subject, and point out that even the wonderful, merciful blah blah Pope Francis says this is impossible – we cannot accept that a boy can become a girl.

        If the parents persist, I would hand them a copy of the document posted by RCA Victor above, the “mental disorder” article, ask them to read that – either here and now, I’d offer them ten minutes to scan it through while I go and check on something OR they can take it home and make a return appointment.

        Then, at the end of the entire procedure, I would ask the parents if they are now happier about the situation now that they realise there is nothing I can do to accommodate their son.

        If they say “no we’re not happy” I would ask them what they think I should do, since I’m sure they are people of integrity and wouldn’t want me to flout God’s law and ignore the Church’s teaching – so what do you think I should do?

        If they then show a lack of integrity by saying I should give in to their demands, no matter what the Church teaches, I would suggest they go home and think the matter over and then take whatever steps they think right in the circumstances.

        If the Diocese then (as is likely) refuses to support me and tells me to do the parents’ bidding, I would refuse. Force them to sack me and allow them to mull over whether they wish to face court action brought by the parents, or a case brought by me. That way, it is absolutely clear who is chasing the publicity. Who cares about the child.

        Might not work, but I’d have a clear conscience. Death, remember, Eileenanne, comes like a thief in the night. If it came for me on the night of my meeting with those parents or after defying an ultimatum from the Diocese, I would be spiritually safe, at least in that regard. All the rest is only money and it can be found. I mean, YOU’D organise “crowd-funding” for me, wouldn’t you? Pay my legal fees?

        June 16, 2016 at 5:00 pm
      • Therese


        Thanks for stating clearly what you would do in such a situation.

        Eileenanne. Can you confirm that you would take the same action as Editor, if you were headteacher?

        June 16, 2016 at 8:14 pm
  • Eileenanne

    It wasn’t the boy’s parents who put the name and location of his school on the Internet. That was you.

    June 16, 2016 at 2:46 pm
    • editor

      I published a letter from a concerned grandparent about a Catholic school. What’s the problem? Did the parents wish the matter to be kept secret? Can you provide a link to their request for secrecy?

      You are a person who, as we’ve found over the years on this blog, thinks everything evil should be covered up and that is in direct contradiction to the Scriptures where we are exhorted to bring evil out into the light. You need to acquaint yourself with the writings of St Paul. The bit where he warns against thinking according to the philosophies of this world and not the mind of Christ.

      June 16, 2016 at 4:48 pm
      • RCA Victor


        Thank you for that truly admirable post about your plan as Headteacher. Even if I could have said it better myself, I couldn’t have said it better myself!! 🙂

        Just as an aside, the idea that these deranged people would prefer secrecy is ludicrous. In fact, they thrive on the exact opposite to promote their sickness and drum up public sympathy for it: PUBLICITY, and lots of it. Almost always, I might add, in the form of orchestrated calumny, distortion, sensationalism, emotionalism, and “justice.”

        June 16, 2016 at 5:44 pm
  • Liam Jenkinson

    One of the contributors to the blog debate stated ‘ if our bishops had been doing their jobs they would have been in prison years ago’. This reminded me of when I had a severe jolt in my understanding of history when I remembered the role of the German Bishops in the second world war. Their role was clarified for me by an amazing book called ‘Germany Catholics and Hitlers War’ by Gordon. C. Zahn (also Franz Jagerstatters biographer). I strongly recommend all bloggers to read this book. This book clearly showed that all the German Bishops supported the Nazi war (including Van Galen who only spoke out against euthanasia etc). There are many theories about Pius’ XII role in WW2 but for me it was simplified after reading this book. The Pope did not want a rift between the Vatican and the German Bishops. He would have clearly known the Bishops mind-set after his time in Germany before the war. Instead of speaking out and spilling His blood as a martyr in the economy of salvation he kept quiet to preserve church unity. The argument that speaking out would have made things worse for the Jews etc doesn’t hold credence because how much worse could it have got for the Jews etc? History repeats itself with the current holocaust through abortifacients, abortion, euthanasia and now these latest heinous attacks on the family through gender ideology etc accompanied by stoical an thunderous silence from most bishops world wide. I know this might sound controversial but the book by Zahn really opened my eyes – I do recommend fellow bloggers to read it before disagreeing with me.

    June 16, 2016 at 8:36 pm
    • editor


      With respect, your mind has not been clarified by the Zahn book – you’ve allowed your mind to become muddled by accepting the propaganda.

      Yes, there are many theories about Pope Pius XII’s role during WWII, but only one truth:

      “The vindication of Pius XII has been established principally by Jewish writers and from Israeli archives. It is now established that the Pope supervised a rescue network which saved 860,000 Jewish lives – more than all the international agencies put together.

      After the war the Chief Rabbi of Israel thanked Pius XII for what he had done. The Chief Rabbi of Rome went one step further. He became a Catholic. He took the name Eugenio.

      Read the entire article here

      Now, what about dumping that Zahn book in the bin, where it undoubtedly belongs?

      June 16, 2016 at 11:46 pm
    • Athanasius

      Liam Jenkinson

      You should be careful what you read. The very suggestion that Pius XII and the German Bishops in any way favoured or supported Nazism in Germany is utterly ludicrous to those of us who have studied the evidence at length. I have spoken on a number of occasions with Fr. Peter Gumpel, one of the postulators of Pius’ Cause in Rome, and I can assure you that what Mr. Zahn writes is more in line with John Cornwell’s vile book “Hitler’s Pope” than any true history of events. I also met and spoke with the late Bishop Canisius van Lierde in the Vatican many years ago. He, too, confirmed to me the existence of a “Black legend” begun by Stalin to degrade the name of the Pastor Angelicus and perpetuated by certain revisionist authors of, shall we say, a left-leaning persuasion.

      Gordon C Hahn was a member of the “Catholic Worker” Movement, a U.S. Communist organisation hiding behind a Catholic mask. It was co-created by the very questionable Dorothy Day, the so-called pacifist who nevertheless endorsed the Communist revolution in Spain (lamenting at the same time of course the unfortunate martyrdom of priests and religious at their hands).

      If you examine Zahn’s background you will discover that he was very influential in the writing of the Vatican II document “The Church in the Modern World”, arguably one of the most questionable documents of the Council. It was so dangerous to the Traditional Catholic Faith, in fact, that Archbishop Lefebvre refused to sign it. It was one of only two documents from the sixteen in total that the Archbishop considered to be revolutionary. Zahn contributed in that document to a re-definition of “just war” which ultimately resulted in the Church of the past being accused of having been a war-mongering organisation that had now realised the errors of its ways.

      Here’s an interesting article that praises Zahn for his part. Beware, though, it’s not Church friendly: http://www.catholicpeacefellowship.org/downloads/gordon_zahn.pdf

      One final point. Zahn co-founded “Pax Christi” during the reign of Pius XII, but that organisation has since morphed into something that Pius would most certainly not approve of today. It has become an international ecumenical peace movement that has had some very noteable Presidents, such as Cardinals Alfrinks and Danneels, two of the most revolutionary figures at Vatican II and beyond.

      It’s high time that Traditional Catholics opened their eyes to real agenda of people like Dorothy Day, Gordon C Zahn and others of the “Catholic Worker” pacifist era. These people were left wing Socialists who brought revolution to the Church in the guise of Christian love. It is no accident that both Day and Zahn looked very favourably on conciliar reform. That reform just happened to be a revolution in cope and mitre that altered Catholic teaching to suit a Socialist world and damaged the Church beyond measure.

      June 17, 2016 at 12:36 am
  • Liam Jenkinson


    The Catholic church seems to be following government guidelines and not church teaching.

    June 16, 2016 at 9:26 pm
  • Vianney

    This priest is Novus Ordo but what he says makes a lot of sense.

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-9_rxXFu9I&w=854&h=480%5D

    June 16, 2016 at 11:17 pm
    • Margaret Mary


      That’s a great video. Thanks for posting it.

      June 17, 2016 at 10:09 pm
  • Liam

    Criticism of editor unjustified RCA Victor right again. This poor boy’s mother sought publicity well before my involvement as well as putting in the birth column his new name of Amber and thanking the school etc for their help and support. It was well after this occurred that a local priest disturbed about events told me what was going off.

    Orwell’s big brother is here. Ireland’s child agency has removed a child from his grandparents care because they were too old in spite of a consultant from hospital being strongly opposed to the move. Cameron’s children and social work bill is also planning to place children with people other than family members to prioritise adoption “even when that means over-riding family ties”.

    June 17, 2016 at 9:00 am
  • Liam

    Reference Zahn etc You may well be right and I may well be wrong. However, just as in this debate about gender Pope Francis does get somethings right in spite of getting much else disastrously wrong. Zahn’s dialogue with German clerics was sought to establish why the strong German peace movement had collapsed just before the war. Because these clerics knew that pacifism etc was his agenda they said things which they would not of said in any other context. I too don’t share Zahn’s general view or Dorothy Days. However, I still believe in spite of his overall agenda which I don’t agree with that the statements he obtained from the German clergy etc when writing his book are in themselves very important and worthy of careful study in the debate.

    June 17, 2016 at 9:47 am
  • Liam

    I should have added the following to my last blog. My time in the employment exchange enhanced a God given gift for effective dialogue. A German canteen lady when I asked her about the Hilter era and the millions killed said “But Hilter was a very good man he gave us all jobs.” A war veteran from Eastern Europe who had been forced into the German army as an alternative to a labour camp with the intention of defecting to fight for the allies at the first given opportunity when asked if the German population knew what was happening to the Jews etc told me “They all knew.” An Austrian lady told me that two Jewish families disappeared from her street but she did not want to make a fuss. Further to my earlier comments about Zahn and his dialogue with German clerics I pose the following questions. By the time Pius xii had laudably saved 800,000 Jews etc he was well aware of the grave danger they were in and what faced them in extermination camps. In our time abortion incurs automatic excommunication why didn’t Pius state openly that all nazi supporters especially those involved in extermination were excommunicated? 22% of the SS were Catholics as I said earlier the holocaust repeats itself in our time and I hear the mantra often repeated by all priests including the best of orthodox priests that they don’t need to preach about abortions and abortifacients etc all the time, they have to preach on a theme related to the gospel of the day. If a dialogue had been started by Pius xii among the population of nazi supporters explaining genocide and that they were excommunicated for supporting the nazis then he would have used the sword of the spirit in defending the countless millions killed. In our time until all clergy start a dialogue concerning the countless millions kill through abortifacients and abortions then they repeat the mistakes of history made by e church during the ww2. A lady doctor who was in the R.M.C was in Germany just after the end of the war after her first ward round of a hospital containing wounded and sick German soldiers she realised that the Hilterite policies of euthanasia were so deeply embedded in the German medics psyche that she stopped all work and retrained the staff to remember the Hippocratic oath. After this training when they realised what they had been doing they were so guilt laden that in her words “They worked 24 hours a day non stop to atone for their previous misdeeds.” The editor rightly reminds us from time to time that we could all face judgement sooner than we think and even go to hell-God forbid. We do need to ask ourselves as a corporate body of church and individuals what we are doing to create an ongoing dialogue about the ongoing slaughter and holocaust of our time. Most notably through abortifacients, abortions and euthansia.

    June 17, 2016 at 5:00 pm
    • Lily


      I think this is now well off topic and we will be given a telling off but I just cannot ignore what you are persisting in alleging about Pope Pius XII. As Athanasius says, you need to be careful what you read, and so are you seem to be reading the propaganda. I always check out the Jewish sources to find what they thought of Pius XII and they are unfailingly grateful to him. Here are a few quotes from Jews which show that the common view of Pius XII and WWII is a bunch of lies.

      “We share in the grief of humanity at the passing away of His Holiness Pope Pius XII. In a generation affected by wars and discords, he upheld the highest ideals of peace and compassion. When fearful martyrdom came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the Pope was raised for the victims. The life of our times was enriched by a voice speaking out on the great moral truths above the tumult of daily conflict. We mourn a great servant of peace.” –Golda Meir October 9, 195

      “The people of Israel will never forget what his Holiness and his illustrious delegates… are doing for us unfortunate brothers and sisters in the most tragic hour of our history….” –Chief Rabbi Herzog of Palestine Father to the future President of Israel

      On December 23, 1940, Albert Einstein published the following in Time: Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the case of truth; but no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom. But they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks. Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess, that what I once despised, I now praise unreservedly. – Albert Einstein

      The reason the bishops are weak on abortion and other issues like this transgender philosophy is because they have lost their Catholic faith. It’s a separate issue – Pius XII had the faith but he also had sufficient brains to know that if he spoke out in a certain way he would only make things worse. He knew there were other ways to “skin a cat” and so he saved countless Jews in a different way.

      I’m puzzled that you seem to want to think the worst of him. He was an excellent pope.

      Editor, I apologise for keeping this off topic commentary going, but I just had to answer Liam on Pius XII. With all the corrections online to the Cornwell lies about that holy pope, I can’t believe there is a Catholic anywhere who still believes the lies, especially on this blog, with respect.

      June 17, 2016 at 6:10 pm
  • Therese


    Loud applause.

    June 17, 2016 at 8:49 pm
  • Liam Jenkinson

    I have read and reflected upon your blogs and I have to say I believe obscurantism could be at work because I stand by what I said with respect and love Liam.

    Editor: Liam, you astonish me. I cannot imagine why you are not delighted to read the testimonies straight from the lips of Jewish authorities, testifying to the goodness and holiness of Pope Pius XII. I’m very disappointed. You’d sooner believe the worst of Pius XII because one pseudo-historian writes propaganda, while dismissing the first hand witnesses of Jewish sources. Puzzling.

    June 18, 2016 at 7:57 pm
  • Athanasius


    Obscurantism is at work, as you say, but it is on the part of revisionist historians hostile to the Church. The testimonies posted by Lily are the real source of truth and there are many more of them. My suggestion is not that you reflect again, but rather that you research the subject a little deeper than your single source. You will never reach an objective conclusion until you do so. Remember, it is a great and holy Pontiff who stands in the dock with the Church alongside him!

    June 18, 2016 at 10:14 pm
  • Heidi

    Well done to the head of this primary school for making the right decision. They are not “promoting transgenderism” by allowing this girl to attend her chosen school. They are allowing a child to receive the right to an education. Let’s not “promote “hatred and rejection to the world in the name Jesus. But instead lets promote acceptance and equality . Let’s show this world that we are tolerant and a loving church.

    June 19, 2016 at 12:11 pm
    • editor


      This “girl” is a boy. And will always be a boy.

      Christ did not preach “acceptance and equality”. The only kind of equality remotely hinted at in Sacred Scripture, is the bit where we are reminded that God’s grace is freely available to all who ask for it; men, women, children, slaves, Jew or Gentile. we are all equal before God because we are all given the graces we need to save our souls. Whether or not we accept those graces, of course, is up to us. And to save our souls, as Christ warned, we must obey His Commandments. “Not all who say ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of Heaven but he who does the will of My Father in Heaven…” And that will of God, comes to us through the primary channel which He established on earth for the purpose of communicating His grace to us – His one, holy Catholic and apostolic Church.

      Nobody hates or rejects anybody, not if they’re true Catholics. But it’s a very long walk from rejecting sin and depravity, out of respect for God’s natural moral law, to hating and rejecting any person.

      No, let’s show the world that we belong to a holy, and faithful Church. All the rest flows from that.

      June 19, 2016 at 11:43 pm
      • friendsofterryvirgilsite

        Transgender is a phony idea and a lie told make some or a few just feel good about the lie that was told to them that their gender at birth was wrong. I need a cite to say other wise, for a cite would have some proof and would have a good debate source to debate.

        July 23, 2016 at 5:03 pm
  • Liam Jenkinson

    Reference transgender issue at local primary school. As predicted by the editor I am now blacklisted by all 4 so called catholic newspapers who disregarded the issue when I raised it with them. I also had no response from Cardinal Nicholls or the Bishops Conference of England and Wales. Thus far also no response from the CDF. Recent submissions to them on other issues have also not been acknowledge or replied to so I might be blacklisted there as well. Thus I have started a process of dialogue in the diocese with clergy and laity. The response with the exception of some imported priests has been woeful but the battle goes on. The head of the Carmelite convent in our area gave me some important background on the precedents for our evil liberal legacy. Bishop Wheeler told her at the time of Humanae Vitaes’ introduction ‘we are now a very small flock’. At the introduction of HV 47 priests in the diocese rebelled saying we cannot preach and teach this doctrine and went to the Bishops house demanding a meeting. He said you have got one come in. He then told them Peter has spoken and you must obey. Subsequently of course the didn’t obey and spread heresy throughout the diocese for years to come. A brave Bishop in Nottingham Diocese ( Bishop Ellis) brought 2 priests in who rebelled and dismissed them from the priesthood. He continued to be maligned and dammed by faint praise in the sermon given at his requiem mass and in the write up following his death. So we have o continue to fight the legacy of those years of nonsense and heresy in our time by tackling all the heretics head on with forthright dialogue. If they don’t listen as per Gospel instructions we are to treat them as Pharisees and tax collectors and more especially Matthews Gospel ch 15 (14) ‘leave them alone they are blind guides leading the blind and they will all fall into the pit’. So press on Catholic Truth in the certain knowledge that in the end Her Immaculate Heart will triumph and the gates of hell will never prevail against His Church.

    June 19, 2016 at 8:53 pm
  • Athanasius

    Liam Jenkinson

    I’m not in the least surprised to hear that you have been blacklisted for upholding the truths of the Faith, we’ve all experienced that particular tactic. But God bless you for pressing on with your Confirmation duty as a Catholic and for persevering from another angle. If even one soul becomes more enlightened by your efforts, then that’s worth more to Our Lord than the entire created universe. That’s not a bad motive for pushing on with the fight for the faith!

    June 19, 2016 at 9:28 pm
    • Liam Jenkinson

      Thankyou Athanasius very inspiring although electronic processes have their place I accompany the process of dialogue with written handouts so people know where they are going wrong (or right!). I have sent the editor some recent handouts because I value her critique and she may beable to make use of them in a similar process of dialogue. Thankyou again love and prayers Liam

      June 20, 2016 at 10:41 am
  • Liam Jenkinson


    This sums up what I seem to have experienced with every issue I have raised within our Diocese.

    June 20, 2016 at 7:29 am
  • Liam Jenkinson


    Here’s another one of his videos which I think is really good.

    June 20, 2016 at 7:43 am
  • Liam

    To Athanasius
    I forgot to say that as well as the fulfilment of my confirmation duties, this process of dialogue is an integral part of my duties and obligations according to the ‘penny catechism’ whereby one of the nine ways I can share in the guilt of another’s sin is through silence.

    June 20, 2016 at 1:24 pm
  • Athanasius


    Very true. Yes, I agree with that.

    June 20, 2016 at 8:28 pm
  • Liam

    Transgender Issues etc
    I think we need to put this issue, one of the many attacks on the family, into its overall context. Sister Lucia of Fatima said the final battle would concern the family. John Paul II who got a lot of things wrong, but some things right, said we are in the final confrontation between the church and anti church- between Christ and anti Christ. This confrontation he tells us is within the plans of providence and it must be a trial which the church must take up and face courageously he said. The most notable things JP II got wrong were the Council and its aftermath and ecumenism. Sometime ago someone wrote the church’s attitude to the Council was like an alcoholic in denial that he had a problem with drink-until he accepts drink is the problem it can’t be dealt with. The same applies to the church’s attitude toward the Council he said. With regard to ecumenism St Maximillian Kolbe said “There is no greater enemy of the Immaculata and her Knighthood than today’s ecumenism which every Knight must not only fight against but also neutralise through diametrically opposed action and ultimately destroy.”
    I was kick started into action following attacks on my family in 1978 when my sister -in-law to be started work as a nurse. On her first day at work after expressing her conscientious objection to abortion work she was told she would not be involved etc. On her second day at work she was asked to clean out some operating theatres. When she went to do this work she found that they had intentionally left several dead babies aborted the previous day for her to clean up. Each Saturday thereafter, told by the police at risk of arrest, I mounted a protest outside the hospital gates and distributed leaflets whilst showing a poster of an aborted baby together with the extract from St Matthew’s Gospel relating to those harming God’s Little ones who would be better thrown into the depths of the sea etc.
    This process and associated dialogue rapidly taught me about pro life work. In 1982 my wife went for an antenatal checkup and was told AFP tests showed abnormalities and she should come in on Monday for an abortion. With of course no intention of an abortion but wanting to prepare ourselves for the arrival of of a handicapped child we insisted on a second confirmatory test which “they” lost. A different doctor said the original test data was “within limits” and the baby would be OK. I tackled this nonsense and evil via the NHS Onbudsman only to face contrived lies and cover up, repeated several more times on related issues with the NHS ONbudsman and hospital authorities. My son was thus spared death by the Faith of our Fathers but many other children were killed and continue to be killed using this test as a justification. I petitioned Parliament as a commoner to get the rules on antenatal testing changed.
    After our fourth child born in quick succession I went to confession each week and confessed each week that we were using contraceptives and the Priest said each week that’s OK you have had four children very quickly. Providentially on a pilgrimage to Knock an Irish Priest told me in confession “I don’t care what they are telling you in England that is wrong. You must stop it and pray.” No big dialogue, no “counselling” etc just plain Catholic truth. We then went on to have thirteen children two of whom are already in heaven. When any of my last seven children start a debate on contraception I simply say that but for that saintly, old style, Irish Catholic Priest you would not be here and therefore you are one of our seven miracles of Knock: and thereafter the subject is closed.
    I also watched the death of several of my grandchildren born prematurely and wondered how good people could do evil things since every effort was made by hospital staff to save the lives of our twin grandchildren born prematurely at 23 weeks (but they died) whilst in the next ward they were killing babies of the same age and above. Dialogue with the staff showed that they clearly understood what they were doing. A nurse remarked ” You would not believe some of the things we have to do in here.” Thus hospitals have become centres on slaughter of the innocents together with unchallenged use of abortifacients and euthanasia processes etc.
    So in the context of transgender policies and such nonsense the Church’s role should be clear but inertia and heresy by silence by the clergy rule the day on this and family issues generally. There is truly a war going on against the most innocent and defenceless in our midst and this includes the scandal of this poor defenceless 8 year old boy being treated as a girl with the approval of the church. Woe to those who call good evil and evil good (Isaiah).
    I display pro life and anti abortion posters and texts in my car on a permanent basis. I have been called into the police station twice and threatened with arrest having been told that the posters caused offence. (The second time as a result of anonymous Catholic reporting me to the police because the display caused offence). The police also told me in interview that I could be arrested for displaying such material in my own home if someone looking through my window found it offensive. At the end of my last grilling by police after a spirited defence by me of the pro life cause and a refusal by me to take the material out of my car the police backed off from arresting me. Indeed I overheard the policeman involved, now speaking in the next room, say “I have to say I do think he has a point.” I also gave him some of my pro life handouts.
    In the most unlikely of contexts it was made clear to me what my ongoing stance should be as a father of thirteen and grandfather of forty-four- and more to come please God! When the Russians were closing in on Berlin Goebells (who killed all seven of his children before the end of the war) gave a huge group of Germans a devilish, rousing rhetorical speech where he shouted ” Do you want total war?” To rapturous applause they all rose and shouted “Yes! Yes! Yes!” I took this mantra and turned it into a clarion call for my family and we now wage total war against all aspects of attacks on life itself and family life. We only shop at “Aldi” or “Farmfoods” and “M and S” and the local market because we have verified that all the other supermarkets sell contraceptives and in some cases abortifacients even to thirteen year old girls without parental knowledge or consent. (Similar distributions take place in Catholic schools etc.). To shop elsewhere means we subsidise the provision of these evil and death dealing contraceptives and abortifacients. We don’t buy Chinese products because of their two child policy or eat or shop in places where they supply condoms. Most of the family challenge each and every attack on church teaching on the family sometimes within formal church forums and schools but very rarely with any support from the clergy or hierarchy. On a lighter note, but still upholding our pro family stance a very posh consultant said to me and my wife Margaret ” You’ve had five children rather quickly what method are you going to use?” (As if it was any of his business in the sight of God) we replied ” We are going to use that method called using all the names up.”
    Again on a positive note one of the most life changing and church teaching affirming moments of my life was when I delivered my ninth child on the bathroom floor. A truly momentous event in my life when I saw first hand the wonder of god’s creation and the way he presented it to the world. It is highly appropriate that this our ninth child is the one who has helped me to draft this blog.
    Even though we have our disagreements the editor and fellow bloggers should know that you are an absolute inspiration to me and my family members and indeed you are therefore co-opted members of our total war in defence of God’s church!
    May God and his Blessed Mother and all they holy angels and saints of all time continue to bless all your individual and families spiritual and temporal welfare.
    Love, prayers Liam and Margaret and family.

    June 21, 2016 at 9:05 am
    • Liam Jenkinson

      To the editor
      As per my letter to you today has this last blog been blocked from general distribution to other bloggers and are any future blogs from me also blocked?

      June 22, 2016 at 4:04 pm
      • editor


        You are not, in any way, blocked from posting on this site. You are a valued contributor.

        When I read your latest comment, I presumed you had posted a comment that had disappeared – that sometimes happens, inexplicably, and I have it on my list of things to do to check with WordPress to find out the cause.

        However, I’ve just checked our Pending, Trash and SPAM folders (where some comments mysteriously reside from time to time) and there is nothing in there from you, so I’m not sure what you mean. If you posted a comment that has not appeared on the blog, I suggest you try again, or email it to me and I will post it.

        I’ve just remembered that I actually asked you to post some sources here, when we discussed your letter to me, so I’d hardly ban it from publication, having requested it.

        No, there must be some other explanation, known only to God and WordPress!

        Try posting it again and if that doesn’t work, email it to me and I will post it for you, with apologies for any inconvenience caused.

        June 22, 2016 at 6:44 pm
    • Laura


      “Sister Lucia of Fatima said the final battle would concern the family.”

      That is so true. Your post is an inspiration to all – what a wonderful story of a truly pro-life Catholic. I can’t tell you how much it touched my heart and soul, especially your humility in obeying the Irish priest over the English priest who had encouraged you to commit sin by using contraceptives.

      Your faithfulness and your large family will be jewels in your crown in Heaven.

      God bless you Liam – your life story is truly inspiring.

      June 22, 2016 at 8:04 pm
    • Therese


      Thank you. That’s a very inspiring post, and I will attempt to follow your example by only shopping in those stores you mention. However, not buying anything from China will prove to be very problematical, as everything seems to be made there.

      God bless you and your family.

      June 22, 2016 at 8:27 pm
      • Liam Jenkinson

        Thank you for your prayers. Some relatively good news one of the imported priests after some dialogue, and reading the letter to the CDF etc has broken ranks with the liberal clergy cabal and stated that what has happened at the primary school to this unfortunate boy is wrong and he is going to make further investigations. He will no doubt get some stick so please pray for him.

        Also to put the record straight on my last blog I’m not some holy Joe but owe my conversion to my St Monica of a mother and my saint of a wife after an Augustinian youth. The real heroism came from my wife because after baby number 7 my wife was diagnosed with a mole in the womb which killed the baby and was a serious health risk where cancer could develop. After tests she was told not to have another baby for 2 years and she would have yearly tests for 12 years. The tests in the first year were monthly and were a purgatory for her after intense discussion we were stood on a bridge and concluded that we would abandon the monthly torture and tests and as my wife said walk on water. She threw the test kit into the river and we went on to have another 5 children.

        In conjunction with her baby son, John, Margaret also saved the life of a baby. After the antenatal tests scandal and publicity Richard Whitely and a t.v crew arrived at the house; Margaret was interviewed and televised. Some time later a woman from Hull phoned Margaret to say she had saved her own baby’s life because she too had had the AFP test and was going to have an abortion – she changed her mind having seen the t.v interview. Deo Gratias!

        Two other associated sad stories following this publicity. One a lovely simple young girl who phoned to say she hoped my complaints to the ombudsman bore fruit because she had had a baby born alive, taken straight away from her which she never saw again to be told later that the baby had died. And in her lovely Yorkshire accent said “I could get to know nowt!” More amazing still a doctor phoned me to wish me well with my complaint she told me her mother had had a stroke and was taken to hospital where she visited her there everyday for 3 weeks. She couldn’t understand her mother’s decline in health until she realised in the third week that they were bringing her mother’s food and drink on a tray and taking away without ever checking that she had eaten or drank anything. She was personally guilt laden as a doctor for not having spotted what was happening earlier. Her mother died.

        Finally and remember this is absolutely true in the middle of one of Margaret’s antenatal consultations at hospital a bus driver burst into the consulting room sweating and agitated having driven his double decker bus to the hospital because a woman on his bus had collapsed. The doctor and nurse said ” Sorry! Wrong hospital you will have to drive your bus across town to the other one!” I got my pager on from work and immediately got up saying to the bus driver don’t worry I will come with you and have a look at her. A nurse came after me saying “You can’t do this” and I said “Just watch me!” On the bus I dosed the woman with Lourdes water and to the nurse’s anger and intrusion opened her handbag and found her diabetic card telling the bus driver she had had diabetic reaction and would be OK. Because of my pager he obviously thought I was a doctor as with many other situations in hospitals the lunatics had truly taken over the a asylum.

        June 23, 2016 at 2:01 pm
    • editor


      A beautiful post above. Truly beautiful. Thank you for sharing your history with us here. I’m truly impressed.

      As for you not being a “holy Joe” – yes you are! And that’s great! Don’t fight it!

      June 23, 2016 at 4:29 pm
      • Helen

        Oh man, Liam, you are an inspiration! Good on you man! If only more were like you. May God bless you.

        June 23, 2016 at 8:13 pm

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