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  • waterside4

    I have been a ‘lurker’ for many a day, but not gone away.
    If someone has already spotted this item my apologies. To say it is beyond belief, when it comes from the so-called worlds greatest democracy, I suggest we read it an weep.

    Incidentally the the corrupt spelling of his Irish name is really apposite!

    July 23, 2016 at 1:18 pm
    • editor


      I’m very pleased that you have returned to join us – a thousand welcomes!

      Now, someone accused me (by email) of “bullying” you and I was (and remain) nonplussed. If you’ve been “lurking” here for a while, you’ve probably worked it out that while we engage, often, in robust discussions and disagreements, we don’t DO bullying! Aren’t these popular sayings downright daft? “Get a life” (to a living, breathing person!) and “I don’t DO this or that…” Crackers!

      Anyway, if we find ourselves embroiled in disputation at all, please be assured there is nothing personal intended. Even if I call you a daft *****£££££))))) it’s nothing personal! 😀

      July 23, 2016 at 9:51 pm
    • gabriel syme

      Hi Waterside, glad to see you are still with us! 🙂

      August 1, 2016 at 11:39 pm
  • Gerontius

    Having noticed the increasing use of the noun ” Shill ” and being unsure of its meaning, I Found this very interesting definition here:

    Shill – Wikipedia, the free encyclopaedia


    A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps or gives credibility to a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization. Shills can carry out their operations in the areas of media, journalism, marketing or other business areas. A shill may also act to discredit opponents or critics of the person or organization in which they have a vested interest through character assassination or other means.
    Shill typically refers to someone who purposely gives onlookers the impression that they are an enthusiastic independent customer of a seller (or marketer of ideas) for whom they are secretly working. The person or group who hires the shill is using crowd psychology to encourage other onlookers or audience members to purchase the goods or services (or accept the ideas being marketed). Shills are often employed by professional marketing campaigns. Plant and stooge more commonly refer to any person who is secretly in league with another person or organization while pretending to be neutral or actually a part of the organization he is planted in, such as a magician’s audience, a political party, or an intelligence organizationn.

    Ring any bells?

    July 23, 2016 at 5:36 pm
    • Josephine


      I have to confess I’ve never head the word “shill” but that’s an interesting definition. Do you mean it reminds you of Freemasons? I’m probably being thick again! LOL!

      July 23, 2016 at 7:41 pm
      • Gerontius


        “Do you mean it reminds you of Freemasons?”

        Exactly so, Josephine, it does – and I suspect there are a great many in the higher echelons of the Vatican. Their Modernist fruits are easily discernible ie Liberty, Equality and Fraternity – which in the Church manifests as Religious Freedom of conscious (Liberty), Equality (Feminism and Collegiality) and Fraternity (Ecumenism, were all Gods Children)

        July 23, 2016 at 8:12 pm
    • editor


      I could be one of them there shills – easily! Pretend I’m buying fresh fruit and flowers in Asda, to push up sales.

      I wonder if it pays well?!

      Oops, just seen your reply to Josephine – nope: I’ll never be a Freemason; I don’t DO aprons! My shrink told me it’s because I associate aprons with housework and it sends me into a tizzy… 😀

      July 23, 2016 at 9:53 pm
  • waterside4 July 23, 2016 at 7:17 pm
    • Josephine


      That’s another terrible scandal, a Catholic standing alongside Hillary Clinton who is pro-abortion, even defended the Planned Parenthood people when they sold baby body parts. How shocking.

      I notice you seem to have typed the link but you don’t need to do that. You can place your curser over the link in your browser, top of page, and then right click to “copy” and then “paste” it here. It’s much easier and quicker than typing the whole link.

      July 23, 2016 at 7:39 pm
  • editor

    N O T I C E . . .

    Our regular contributor, The Blogger Christina, emailed me today to let me know that she was emergency admitted to hospital last night. Today she has been undergoing tests and although she is going home tomorrow for a few days, due to her Consultant being away, she has to return to hospital for two more procedures under General Anaesthetic.

    When I asked her if I ought to ask for bloggers’ prayers, she replied: “Yes PLEASE; bloggers’ prayers would be wonderful, and just what the doctor ordered, as it were!”

    So, despite suffering all that she is suffering at the moment, clearly, Christina has not lost her sense of humour.

    Let’s all remember her in our prayers until we hear that she has been given the all-clear.

    July 23, 2016 at 9:46 pm
    • Gerontius

      Many thanks for alerting us to Christina’s circumstances.

      Please be assured of my prayers for your complete recovery. Remember, when one of us suffer, we all suffer with you – you are not alone!

      Please accept my kindest and warmest regards in Our Lord

      July 23, 2016 at 10:01 pm
  • Therese

    Editor – many thanks for the alert.

    Christina – please get well soon – I’m sure you’ll be on top pay soon (say nothing – just a very strong hunch) so waste no time in getting back on the job. Be assured of my prayers for your swift recovery. God bless xxx

    July 23, 2016 at 10:39 pm
  • Elizabeth

    Prayers and best wishes Christina. Hope you soon feel better.

    July 24, 2016 at 9:53 am
  • crofterlady

    Christina, you are in my prayers. I hope you are soon on the mend. God bless.

    July 24, 2016 at 9:16 pm
  • Gerontius

    The Blessed Sacrament – the most Sublime and Sacred Treasure of the Holy Catholic Church is subjected almost every day now, to sacrilege, outrage and indifference following the introduction of the novus ordo rite.

    Communion in the hand, dropped CONSECRATED HOSTS, unconsecrated hands touching Our Lords Sacred Person, little or no silence, recollection or adoration, idle gossip and even arguments in his presence, immodest attire… You get the picture.

    How has this come about? Ecumenism of course!

    “Ecumenism” St. Maximilian Kolbe wrote, “is the enemy of the Immaculate.”
    It is therefore from the Devil, and also the consequences of allowing heretical protestant input into Paul VI and Bugnini’s Novus Ordo Mass.

    Archbishop Lefebvre said the following:

    As for myself, I do not want people to make me say that the New Mass is good, but that it is simply less good than the Traditional Mass. I cannot say that. I cannot say that these modern sacraments are good. They were made by Protestants. They were made by Bugnini. And Bugnini himself said on March 19, 1965, as can still be read in the “Osservatore Romano” and in “Documentation Catholique,” which magazines published a translation of Bugnini’s discourse:

    “We must strip from our Catholic prayers and from the Catholic liturgy everything which can be the shadow of a stumbling block for our separated brethren, that is for the Protestants.”…the-Church.htm

    The consequences of ignoring Mortalium Animos are now self evident.

    I read somewhere that we, the laity, don’t have a correct understanding of ecumenism – utter garbage!

    Immutable Truth cannot dialogue with the partisans of heresy and error, since that would put the Devil on an equal basis with Our Lord. The truth must be defended and error refuted at all times and in all places. Thanks be to God for the SSPX WHERE THINGS ARE AS THEY SHOULD BE AND OUR LORD IS LOVED AND RESPECTED.

    July 25, 2016 at 6:28 pm
  • gabriel syme

    “A Catholic priest asked that pro-abortion Vice Presidential nominee Tim Kaine “do us both a favor” and not show up in his Communion line.

    If only more priests would follow this good example from Father Thomas Petri OP. He says “I takes canon 915 seriously.” Good on him.

    July 25, 2016 at 11:08 pm
  • editor

    Gabriel Syme,

    Yesterday’s Lifesitenews also reports a USA Bishop pointing out that it’s not possible to be a Catholic and pro-abortion etc.

    “Bishops Thomas Tobin of the Diocese of Providence, Rhode Island, posted a message on Facebook that was so popular it received over 1,000 shares:

    VP Pick, Tim Kaine, a Catholic?

    Democratic VP choice, Tim Kaine, has been widely identified as a …Catholic. It is also reported that he publicly supports “freedom of choice” for abortion, same-sex marriage, gay adoptions, and the ordination of women as priests. All of these positions are clearly contrary to well-established Catholic teachings; all of them have been opposed by Pope Francis as well.

    Senator Kaine has said, “My faith is central to everything I do.” But apparently, and unfortunately, his faith isn’t central to his public, political life.

    July 26, 2016 at 1:14 am
  • crofterlady July 26, 2016 at 11:23 am
    • gabriel syme

      I was just coming on to post that Crofterlady, what a shocking and barbaric incident.

      Governments must now take firm action, Islamic savagery is becoming the norm in European countries and this cannot go on.

      July 26, 2016 at 12:00 pm
      • gabriel syme

        Typically, the quisling BBC states that:

        There was no immediate indication of the identity or motive of the hostage-takers

        Which is a lie, because at least one of the men was in Islamic dress according to other news outlets.

        July 26, 2016 at 12:07 pm
    • gabriel syme

      The Herald is now reporting that the Islamic State has claimed responsibility for the attack.

      July 26, 2016 at 1:51 pm
  • editor

    And here’s the response of the Scottish Bishops’ Conference – as ever, at pains not to mention Islam in any “negative” way, Islam being, of course, a peaceful religion…

    To Mgr Dominique Lebrun, Archbishop of Rouen.

    Your Excellency,

    I write to express the deep sorrow and shock of the Catholics of Glasgow and Scotland at the news of the horrific attack on the church in Saint-Étienne-du-Rouvray.

    We are truly appalled at the series of attacks which have been perpetrated on France and her people over recent weeks. This latest incident represents a new and shocking development – namely the attack on people engaged in the worship of God in a sacred place.

    We pray for the repose of the soul of the priest killed and for the recovery of those injured. We pray for the people of France, Germany and other places so cruelly targeted by men of evil intent in recent weeks.

    May God have mercy on us all.

    Kyrie Eleison.

    Yours in solidarity and prayer,

    +Philip Tartaglia
    Archbishop of Glasgow, President of the Bishops’ Conference of Scotland

    July 26, 2016 at 3:04 pm
    • crofterlady

      Your Grace, why don’t you mention the elephant in the room, ide est, Islam, Muslims?

      Not all Muslims are jihadists but all jihadists are Muslims.

      July 26, 2016 at 9:16 pm
  • Elizabeth

    What a truly hideous crime! We have been travelling around France for the last fortnight and it has saddened me to see the secularisation that has overtaken this once Catholic country. So very many places given saints names, so many churches but so few priests. Only yesterday we looked for Mass times in quite a big village only to find notice of a monthly service there and no mention at all of any daily Masses. This poor martyred priest was saying a weekday Mass…with a very tiny congregation I read. I fear that there is no defence against the lone wolf terrorist or the madmen of Isis. May God help us all.

    July 26, 2016 at 8:23 pm
    • editor


      We’ve had this discussion before – about the distinction between murder and martyrdom.

      Lamentable and shocking as it is, the death of this priest does not constitute martyrdom. He was murdered in cold blood. As far as we know, there is no evidence that he chose to die in defence of the Faith or any Christian virtue. That’s, I believe, the key difference which makes someone a martyr, as opposed to someone killed in a religious setting.

      You are right to describe this murder as a truly hideous crime. Utterly shocking.

      July 26, 2016 at 10:36 pm
      • Elizabeth

        I am sure you are correct in the distinction between murder and martyrdom. I did read that the priest was attempting to stop the terrorists from profaning the altar however. It is a moot point.

        July 27, 2016 at 9:49 pm
      • editor


        I didn’t know that – well, martyr or not, that will stand him in very good stead with Our Lord, no question about it.

        May he rest in peace.

        July 27, 2016 at 10:45 pm
      • editor


        This article from the SSPX website is of much interest, in the matter of Fr Hamel’s death – copied below for ease of reference:

        Regardless of Fr. Hamel’s official status as martyr or victim, Catholics in the West should now prepare for a renewed threat from Islam

        “As most Catholics around the world know by now, Father Jacques Hamel was killed at a church in Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray in the Normandy region of France on July 26, 2016 by two perpetrators claiming to represent the Islamic State (or ISIS). According to reports, the assailants took Fr. Hamel, two nuns, and two churchgoers hostage during Mass before slitting Fr. Hamel’s throat. Another hostage also had his throat slit, though he is thankfully expected to survive.

        Many Catholics are heralding Fr. Hamel as the first priest-martyr of 21st Century. An official press release from the Society of St. Pius X’s French District Superior, Fr. Christian Bouchacourt, calls attention to the fact that Fr. Hamel was killed out of hatred for the Catholic Faith (odium fidei), a position supported by Archbishop Anthony Fisher of Sydney, Australia. Here are the bishop’s words.

        We cannot ignore the fact that [this was] a targeted attack on our Christian faith. The two terrorists meant to go into a Catholic church. They meant to kill a priest of Jesus Christ. They meant to take nuns and faithful laity as hostages. They were not just looking for any old building with any old people inside.”

        And the terrorists underlined the meaning of their act by engaging in a ritual sacrifice of the priest before the altar and a mock homily. So their act was not just murder but also sacrilege, desecration, blasphemy. Their motive not just revenge for the policies of the secular French government, but hatred for the Church and its priests and religious and faithful[.]”

        The learned moral theologian Dominic Prummer, O.P., defines martyrdom as follows:

        Martyrdom is the endurance of bodily death in witness to the Christian religion. Therefore three conditions must be verified for martyrdom: a) actual death; b) the infliction of death by an enemy out of hatred for Christianity; c) the voluntary acceptance of death. — Therefore the following are not genuinely martyrs: those who die by contracting disease in their care of lepers, those who suffer death for natural truths or for heresy, or who [indirectly] bring about their own death to safeguard their person. — The effect of martyrdom is the remission of all sin and punishment, since it is an act of perfect charity.”

        Although a full investigation by the proper authorities is still underway, it is clear that the first two elements of Christian martyrdom have been satisfied in Fr. Hamel’s case. That alone should send a powerful message to all Christians living in the West that they are not beyond the reach of radical Islamists seeking to destroy the Church. In other words, Muslim violence against Christians—including priests and religious—is not some “faraway problem” confined to the Middle East. Moreover, pure political or socio-economic explanations for Muslim-on-Christian violence cannot suffice. As Christians have known for more than 1,000 years, the diabolical religion of the false prophet Mohammad remains ever-set against the Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ. (For more on this, see the July 2015 issue of The Angelus, including the articles “What Is Islam?” and “The Christian East Under Islam.”)

        In these distressing times we must look to Our Lady, the Blessed Virgin Mary, for protection and strength, especially if the terrible hour should come where we are targeted for the Faith. Send supplications as well to the mighty saints of France, including Hilary of Poitiers, Martin of Tours, and Joan of Arc, for the liberation of their land from the threat of militant Islam.” Source

        July 28, 2016 at 12:01 am
      • editor

        Our French blogger, Lionel, has just emailed as follows:

        …la mosquée de Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray – qui avait été inaugurée en 2000 – a été construite sur une parcelle de terrain offerte par la paroisse catholique de la ville…
        Le Père Jacques Hamel, et nous le croyons sincère dans sa démarche, « échangeait » régulièrement avec les croyants musulmans de son quartier et faisait partie d’un « comité interconfessionnel depuis 18 mois où ils discutaient de religion et de savoir-vivre ensemble »…


        …The mosque in Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray – which was inaugurated in 2000 – was built on a plot of land offered by the Catholic parish of the city…

        Father Jacques Hamel, and and we believe he was sincere in his approach, “traded” regularly with Muslim believers in his neighbourhood and has been part of an “Interfaith Committee for 18 months where he and his Muslim fellow friends discussed religion and manners together”. MCI Médias-Catoliques Info

        What can I say? Pray for the soul of Fr Jacques Hamel. May he rest in peace.

        July 28, 2016 at 11:46 pm
  • crofterlady

    And look, Your Grace, The Remnant is saying the same things as myself and other real Catholics:

    July 26, 2016 at 10:05 pm
    • editor


      I was just saying exactly the same thing on the phone to a friend. When will someone – and I include Pope Francis – say that this was yet another murder committed by [yet another] Muslim?

      Now, before I end up on the front page of the nearest tabloid, allow me to stress that I know perfectly well that not all Muslims are murdering terrorists; that the majority, in fact, are no doubt perfectly good people who wouldn’t dream of participating in these murderous rampages.

      Still, that Remnant report struck a chord. Everyone, media, churchmen, A & S (all and sundry) are tiptoeing around the elephant in the room and all the while the elephant is getting bigger and bigger and harder to ignore…

      July 26, 2016 at 10:41 pm
  • editor

    This morning, our French blogger, Lionel, emailed me as follows (with permission to post here if I thought worthwhile):

    “…and the executive persists and signs!!! in this village they had built a salafist mosque at taxpayer expense!

    Muslims do not care about dividing us, they want to submit us as they have always intended…
    By the way, a police officer was surprised to find two Master-Cards belonging to asylum seekers arrested in the act of stealing vehicles, and the cards were issued by the Ministry of Interior to allow them to withdraw 40 Euros per day!

    With great sadness LD ” END OF MESSAGE FROM LIONEL.

    Lionel subsequently emailed me a copy of the Mastercard published over there – it wouldn’t copy here but I Googled and found it online anyway – with text attached in French (obviously!)

    July 27, 2016 at 12:53 pm
  • RCA Victor

    Here’s Christopher Ferrara’s brilliant analysis of the latest power grab from Pope Francis, against the cloistered convents:

    My favorite line is this: “Francis is once again consolidating all power in his own hands. Like any dictator, he preaches freedom while he practices tyranny…”

    July 27, 2016 at 3:54 pm
    • Spiritus

      RCA Victor

      That report from catholic family news is just terrible! Maybe that was why +Fellay refused to sign on the dotted line….

      This Pope is out to destroy the Church! Our Lord won’ t let him, though.

      July 27, 2016 at 5:53 pm
  • Helen

    Yes, Spiritus, Him (the Pope) and his lackeys seem to want to destroy the Church. What I can’t understand is why there are not a few towers of strength within the clergy who will stand up to him! It’s all very well bleating about the “orthodox” + Burke, Schneider bishops et al but where are their ACTIONS?

    Does our own Archbishop not care about the Church? If he does, why isn’t he acting?

    July 27, 2016 at 6:02 pm
  • westminsterfly

    Good news – for once!

    Resounding victory against Named Person scheme

    Dear supporter,

    I am delighted to tell you that this morning (28 July) five judges of the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that the Scottish Government’s Named Person scheme is unlawful.

    Named Person hearing at the UK Supreme Court in March 2016

    The Christian Institute’s Duputy Director Simon Calvert (left) and Solicitor Advocate Sam Webster (centre), with friends from the NO2NP campaign, outside the UK Supreme Court for the hearing in March 2016.

    Judgment in the case of The Christian Institute and others v The Lord Advocate (Scotland) was written by two Scottish Justices and the Deputy President of the Supreme Court. Another two judges agreed. The Scottish Government has no opportunity to appeal.

    This is a historic judgment. It is the first time the Supreme Court has prevented a major piece of legislation passed by the Scottish Parliament from coming into force. The Court has acted to stop a major conflict with our data protection laws.

    Under the proposals, every child in Scotland was to be assigned a state guardian to monitor their ‘wellbeing’. This constituted a state-sponsored intrusion into family life – directly undermining the parent-child relationship. It was due to come into force on 31 August.

    Vindicating what we have been saying for years, the Court stated that the data sharing provisions of the Children and Young People (Scotland) Act breach the right to a private and family life under article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR).

    These provisions, which are central to the scheme, have today been struck down. It was a David and Goliath battle, but we give praise and thanks to our sovereign God who has given us this resounding victory on behalf of families in Scotland.

    Key points
    •The Named Person law was found to be “defective” for breaching the ECHR “right to a private and family life”.
    •The lack of safeguards meant it was likely that family confidentiality would frequently be overridden.
    •Holyrood exceeded its powers by making a law which allowed public bodies to share sensitive private information about children and parents without their knowledge or consent.
    •Consequently the Named Person scheme cannot be brought into force.
    •Legal challenges to any unlawful sharing of data under the Named Person pilot schemes may now be possible.

    For more information see our website

    In a warning to UK legislators for years to come, the Supreme Court judgment even noted that:

    “The first thing that a totalitarian regime tries to do is to get to the children, to distance them from the subversive, varied influences of their families, and indoctrinate them in their rulers’ view of the world. Within limits, families must be left to bring up their children in their own way.”

    Answered prayer

    Christian parents would have faced severe difficulties from the scheme, but our gracious God has acted powerfully to preserve the freedom of Christians to bring up their children in the Christian faith.

    We are profoundly grateful to our supporters, who have stood with us throughout this long campaign. Thank you for all your prayers, and for your encouragements. Your prayers have been answered!

    Our legal bills ran to £270,000. We expect to try and recover a substantial part of the legal costs, but this has yet to be resolved. We will not get back the additional £130,000 we spent on the NO2NP campaign which helped gather crucial evidence from Scottish parents for the case.

    If you are in a position to help with our financial needs, you can support our vital work by making a donation.

    July 28, 2016 at 3:31 pm
    • editor


      This is already being discussed on the Catholic schools thread – would you re-post it there?

      July 28, 2016 at 3:35 pm
  • RCA Victor

    Regarding the SSPX response to another black mass planned in Oklahoma City on August 15th, I just sent the Archbishop of OKC the following:

    Archbishop Paul S. Coakley
    Archbishop of Oklahoma City

    Your Excellency,

    You are perhaps aware of the Traditional Mass of Reparation being publicly offered by the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) on August 15th, the Feast of the Assumption, in response to yet another black mass and the blasphemous “consumption of Mary” planned by satanists for that feast day. Here is more information about it:

    I’ve noted that your public reaction to the previous blasphemies conducted by this virulent group was to suggest that they simply be ignored. This response is about as effective as the New Rite of Exorcism – i.e. not at all. The Church requires that Satan be adjured, not ignored, and I daresay that your strategy thus far is at least partially responsible for the persistence of this evil, because to “ignore” Satan is the same as pretending that he does not exist.

    I urge you, your priests and your faithful to publicly promote, and join in the Society’s public Mass of Reparation, thus confronting our ancient enemy head on. Moreover, as I suggested to you last year, to consecrate your Archdiocese to the Immaculate Heart of Mary – and why not on August 15th? – would be to deploy an irresistible spiritual weapon with which to crush the head of this vile group.

    Sincerely yours in Christ,

    July 30, 2016 at 3:25 pm
    • Margaret Mary

      RCA Victor

      “This response is about as effective as the New Rite of Exorcism – i.e. not at all.”


      Great letter – I hope the archbishop replies and that you post it here.

      July 30, 2016 at 4:57 pm
    • gabriel syme

      RCA Victor,

      That’s an excellent letter, well done.

      You are exactly right to challenge the local Bishop on his (lack of) response.

      If Catholic prelates and diocesan structures do not respond to such outrages, then what exactly is the point of their existence at all?

      Based on this affair, I expect Archbishop Coakley is someone who always looks for the easy way out / path of least resistance.

      August 1, 2016 at 1:08 pm
      • RCA Victor

        Gabriel Syme,

        Thanks, so far no response from His Excellency. I suspect he is one of those who has been conditioned to be “nice” to everyone, even the mortal enemies of the Church.

        August 1, 2016 at 3:11 pm
  • gabriel syme

    I liked this post from Fr Hunwicke, regarding both sedevacantism and ultrapapalism (issues which the posters here also deal with effectively).

    He says they are both heresies and in fact opposite sides of the same coin, with the coin being an erroneous premise.

    I am glad Fr Hunwicke converted, he is too good for the Church of England! 😉

    August 1, 2016 at 11:31 pm

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