Priest: Police Doctrinal Integrity of Bishops, Priests & Theologians…

Priest: Police Doctrinal Integrity of Bishops, Priests & Theologians…

August 19, 2016 (LifeSiteNews) – In his book Magisterial Authority, Fr. Chad Ripperger, PhD, says “the Church will not climb out of this tumultuous period” without reversing the “practice since the Second Vatican Council onward not to police the doctrinal integrity” among bishops, priests and theologians. The crucial observation comes at the end of nearly fifty years of destructive leniency, which has in the Francis pontificate taken on new dimensions.  Read more hereVaticanIIdocs


Comment

The examples in the Lifesitenews report of an ongoing – and growing – attitude of dissent among bishops, gives Fr Ripperger’s warning a stark urgency. But is his suggestion to police doctrinal integrity a practical one?  Any attempt, for example, to reinstate the anti-Modernist oath would be likely to result in outright rebellion.  So, how to police those who are supposed to be policing the Faith is the key topic of this thread.  Share your thoughts…

Comments (109)

  • Summa

    Athanasius
    I was too young to remember what the other priests at the parish, Fr. Gilmartin and Fr. Currie were like. I only have fond memories of them at school.

    I believe the latter is in the north of Glasgow now?

    I however can tell you from the song we had to sing when Fr. Gilmartin was leaving, where he went…(!) all those years ago too…

    Goodby-ee, Goodbye-ee
    We’ll be off to see you in Mulguy-ee (Milngavie)
    Cheerio chin chin
    Fr. Glimartin
    Och aye, we’ll be by Mulguy-ee

    Isn’t it the stragest things you remember? I think Ms Roonie taught us it too, at St Catherine’s PS

    August 25, 2016 at 11:34 am
    • Athanasius

      Summa

      Today, the next line would be:

      Hello-ee, Hello-ee
      Deacon Dan is the man we’re left tae
      He’s a gas with dry Mass, ya beauty.

      Or am I being overly cynical?

      August 25, 2016 at 4:31 pm
      • Summa

        Ha! Deacon Dan?

        August 25, 2016 at 10:15 pm
  • RCA Victor

    I have to wonder, since I’m still in the middle of Fr. Malachi Martin’s The Jesuits, whether suppressing the Society of Jesus (again) would contribute a great deal of momentum toward the internal policing of the clergy. After all, when you consider that Jorge Bergoglio was formed by this Society, you would have to conclude that it is still, as it was back when the revolution took hold, a reeking theological, doctrinal and philosophical sewer, and probably, to some considerable degree, a private homosexual club (no, I’m not intimating that Bergoglio is a homosexual, but he certainly seems to be inclined to promote them, so it would be reasonable to assume that he was frequently in their company as a Jesuit – and obviously has no problem with their behavior). The Church would be much healthier if this cancer were eliminated completely.

    August 25, 2016 at 3:52 pm
    • Athanasius

      RCA Victor

      Given the sheer number of Jesuit theoreticians and foot soldiers who have spread the poison of Modernism in the Church over the past 100 years or so, I think a complete suppression of the Order would mark a positive return to supernatural sanity. It can’t happen quickly enough for me.

      August 25, 2016 at 4:37 pm
      • Gerontius

        Athanasius,

        I think a complete suppression of the Order would mark a positive return to supernatural sanity. It can’t happen quickly enough for me.

        Absolutely bang-on Anathasius, I agree entirely!

        What a great pity. They were once the Shock Troops of the Church, and it’s most ardent defenders of doctrinal orthodoxy, and now…….

        August 25, 2016 at 10:10 pm
      • editor

        Gerontius

        “… and now”

        They’re just shocking troops! Well, it’s getting late, best I can do for now 😀

        August 25, 2016 at 10:18 pm
      • Gerontius

        Athanasius,

        Here’s an example of Jesuit modernist teaching from Pope Francis to fellow Jesuits on the subject of priestly formation.

        EXTRACT:
        25/08/2016
        andrea tornielli
        vatican city

        Discernment is a key word in the sections of the “Amoris Laetitia” that deal with welcoming and guiding wounded and “irregular” families. It is precisely this discernment that “priests are really in need of” today, during their formation as well. Francis said this in a conversation he had with a group of 28 Polish Jesuits in Krakow in the afternoon of 30 July. A summary of the conversation which lasted around 40 minutes was transcribed by Antonio Spadaro, the director of Italian Jesuit periodical La Civiltà Cattolica, and is published in the latest issue of the periodical.

        “I ask you to work with seminarians,” the Pope told the group of Jesuits. “Above all, give them what you have received from the Exercises: the wisdom of discernment. The Church today needs to grow in the ability of spiritual discernment. Some priestly formation programs run the risk of educating in the light of overly clear and distinct ideas, and therefore acting within limits and criteria that are rigidly defined a priori, disregarding concrete situations: ‘you must do this, you must not do this’. Then, when the seminarians become priests, they find themselves in difficulty when they have to offer guidance to so many young people and adults. Because many ask: ‘can you do this or can you not?’ That’s all. And many people leave the confessional disappointed. Not because the priest is bad, but because the priest doesn’t have the ability to discern situations, to accompany them in authentic discernment. They don’t have the required formation.”

        END OF EXTRACT.

        Source URL

        http://www.lastampa.it/2016/08/25/vaticaninsider/eng/the-vatican/priests-need-to-work-on-their-ability-to-discern-xsN8UPIRM02Ahc4qZNFOvK/pagina.html

        August 25, 2016 at 10:54 pm
      • Summa

        That is truly shocking.

        August 25, 2016 at 10:57 pm
      • Athanasius

        Gerontius

        It’s interesting that Pope Francis accepted the Papacy when the founder of his Order, St. Ignatius, forbid any Jesuit from holding high ecclesiastical office unless dispensed to do so by the Pope. In Francis’ case it seems he dispensed himself. That strict rule of the Jesuits is still on the statute books.

        As for his words on discernment, this was just Pope Francis’ way of saying tell people what they want to hear and do not disappoint them by quoting the Decalogue and the moral law. How very supernatural!

        August 26, 2016 at 1:54 pm
      • Athanasius

        Gerontius

        Yes, the Jesuits were the great champions of orthodoxy at the Reformation. Now they are the principle peddlers of heterodoxy. The devil has sure worked a big turnaround with that Order. Time I think to give it the order of the boot.

        August 26, 2016 at 1:56 pm
      • RCA Victor

        Athanasius,

        The way the Jesuits have gone, maybe they should be called the Order of the Garter….and I don’t mean chivalry….

        August 26, 2016 at 2:56 pm
  • editor

    How on earth is it ever going to be possible to “police” bishops, priests, theologians etc. when we have Papa Francis saying we’re all just fine with the “two popes arrangement”?

    August 29, 2016 at 7:40 pm

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