USA: Will Donald Trump Hillary?

USA: Will Donald Trump Hillary?

animatedflagusaThe Church has established Catholic principles of voting and we  have always been exhorted to use our vote carefully, but definitely to vote.  Click here to read a very good article on this subject.

However, note the following editorial update, September 2016:  

“…In the past 9 years since this article was penned by Fr. Peter Scott, the political landscape of the United States has degraded at an alarming rate. Democrats who claimed to uphold the sanctity of marriage at the time this article was written have now all but unanimously changed course. Even Republicans who, for the most part, could be counted on to provide basic Christian values, have begun to embrace these sins against nature, and many are supporting abortion under certain circumstances. It is in this current climate that we wish to explicitly clarify what Fr. Scott implied above – in a political contest or election where both / all candidates support objectively evil legislation, abstaining from the voting process, or leaving sections of a ballot blank, would be perfectly acceptable and even encouraged.


How might an American Catholic use his/her vote in the forthcoming national Election, to avoid displeasing God?

WILL Donald Trump Hillary, or will the notoriously pro-abortion-up-to-birth Mrs Clinton trump Donald?

Is it unthinkable that any Catholic would vote for Hillary Clinton?  Indeed, is it possible for a conscientious Catholic to support either candidate?   


Comments (93)

  • editor

    Well, folks, he did it. Donald DID Trump Hillary!

    The pro-abortion – including partial birth abortion – candidate did not win. Thank God!

    November 9, 2016 at 11:39 am
  • Valour

    A racist, misogynist, adulterer and frequent bankrupt as the leader of the only Superpower is good news?

    Editor: well, the choice was either that or a racist, radical-feminist, adulterer, pro-abortionist-up-to-birth, “world class liar” who is into witchcraft… You pays your money and you takes your pick…
    Click here to see just how completely you’ve fallen for the propaganda

    November 9, 2016 at 12:36 pm
    • Margaret Mary


      Do you (a Catholic, I assume) actually wish Hillary Clinton had won?

      November 9, 2016 at 7:12 pm
    • Petrus

      I’d also add criminal to that list.

      November 9, 2016 at 7:16 pm
      • editor


        I made an exception in letting Valour’s post through but that has only encouraged him to return with a barrage of further attacks on Trump, straight from the propaganda machine, and so I’ve now deleted all such comments permanently – from now on his contributions will be floating around, unread, in cyberspace. Life is far too short!

        November 9, 2016 at 8:52 pm
  • Athanasius

    I still can’t believe he did it, stayed up all night to watch the results come in. Think of all the little babies who will now be spared. Well done America for making so urgent a change in your political system. I see Our Lady in this miraculous result, completely against all predictions.

    November 9, 2016 at 12:54 pm
    • Petrus

      Doe gratias! I can’t wait to see the look on Clinton’s face. I sense Our Lady at work!

      November 9, 2016 at 3:31 pm
  • RCA Victor

    I woke up this morning “knowing” that Trump won (I don’t have a TV), but I thought I was deluded until I received an early email from our 29-year old Editor about the victory! Deo gracias! God is good! My prayers have been answered!

    And now, may America be rebuilt under the Social Reign of Christ the King!

    I must also compliment Editor on being so wise for one so young….she must be related to Jack Benny…

    November 9, 2016 at 3:41 pm
    • editor

      RCA Victor,

      You’re a case for the High Court. Expect a letter from my lawyer first thing tomorrow!

      Seriously, I’m delighted that it was my unworthy self who broke the news to you. That’s a first. I’m usually the LAST to find out (anything!) let alone pass it on to others, so that’s made my day!

      Now, we need to pray that Donald Trump lives up to his pro-life promises.

      A little later that same day…

      One of the news channels showed a clip of Pope Francis saying that those who build walls are not Christian” here’s a report from the time to refresh memories.

      I couldn’t help but smile a sardonic smile. It’s not Christian to build a wall, but it’s perfectly Christian to flout Christ’s own words about divorce and “remarriage” in order to encourage adulterers to approach for Holy Communion? This must be from the latest edition of Theology for Dummies. I need to buy a copy (say nothing…!)

      November 9, 2016 at 6:08 pm
      • RCA Victor


        I’ll be quite comfortable at High Court, considering I was occasionally rather high during my misspent youth…

        As for Francis, I hope someone reminds him that the Church herself used to build walls – against heresies and heretics and infidels – and that without secure borders, a nation cannot exist.

        November 9, 2016 at 10:11 pm
  • Theresa Rose

    I checked online around 7.15 a.m. this morning to find Donald Trump leading by 265 against Hillary Clinton’s 216. It seemed that everyone was still waiting on the results of 6 States’ voting. I thought that I was in fact dreaming and had to pinch myself to see if I were in fact awake.

    Yet, as you say, RCA Victor, may America be rebuilt under the Social Reign of Christ the King.


    Is it true to say that Pope Francis has metaphorically put his foot in his mouth?

    November 9, 2016 at 9:22 pm
    • editor

      Theresa Rose,

      You could say that Pope Francis nearly ALWAYS puts his foot in his mouth – metaphorically speaking, as you indicate! It’ll be interesting to find out what he says about the Trump victory.

      November 9, 2016 at 9:37 pm
  • Lily

    I copied this from The Remnant ( I love the “we got Trump not St Thomas More” – LOL!):

    Well, I guess Mrs. Clinton now knows what it feels like to be aborted so close to her due date.

    Still, ever since I was a boy, it always seemed to me that the thrill of victory is not nearly as powerful as the agony of defeat. If Mrs. Clinton had achieved victory last night, today would have seemed the darkest in history. The future would have seemed beyond dire for a people that knowingly and willfully raised up a corrupt and immoral human being, who hates the laws of God, defends the murder of babies, and zealously works for the destruction of the family.

    Had she been elected it would have said much more about us than about her. We would have shown ourselves a soulless and heartless people, beyond hope, beneath contempt.

    There was so much at stake. Much of our work here at The Remnant, for example, would have been criminalized over the next four years. Our homeschools would have become illegal enterprises in the village Mrs. Clinton had in mind. Even our ability to move about freely would have been exponentially undermined. (As the “leader of a hate group”, according to the infamous Southern Poverty Law Center, it isn’t difficult for this writer to imagine how enthusiastically President Hillary would have enforced hate crime legislation against Christian America.)

    So, yes, like everyone else, we’re still trying to process the news of this truly awesome political and moral and even spiritual upset (if Trump repeals the Johnson Amendment, even the Catholic Church in this country might become relevant again). There’s much to learn from what we saw last night, not the least of which is that the mainstream media, far from omniscient, are in fact clueless ideologues never to be trusted again.

    No matter what happens with a Trump presidency, we now know that a substantial percentage of the American people are not beyond hope—that they still have enough Christian sense left to recognize and reject the demonic when they see it. And what’s the takeaway from that? Demons are not invincible! In fact, last night they had their tails handed to them by a “buffoon” they’d mercilessly mocked for 18 months, and who decided he’d be the first politician in decades to give God-fearing folks a voice again—a comparative small concession that tore a trench through the left-half of this country like nobody’s ever seen. Donald Trump let pro-life, pro-God, pro-family America lose from their shackles—and the demons scattered like roaches.

    And just as many of us voted for Donald Trump to stop Hillary Clinton, we can celebrate without apology the landside defeat that he handed to The All-Powerful Ones: George Soros, Pope Francis, Planned Parenthood, big media, big Hollywood, the United Nations, the European Union and the rest of the New World Order fanatics.

    Down in the sewer, even the rats lost. Miley Cyrus has to leave the country, as she promised she would if Trump won. Reverend Al Sharpton also needs an offshore realtor, as do Whoopi Goldberg, Tom Hanks, Bruce Springsteen, Ellen and the rest of the “elites” with the long tails and pointy noses. Hollywood is weeping tears of acid this morning, and for that we say thank God for Trump!

    Bad guys, demons, pro-aborts, the anti-family crowd—they all lost last night, and lost “bigly”. And—horror of all horrors! — their defeat was handed to them by folks standing outside abortion clinics running rosary beads through their fingers, begging Heaven to intervene, asking Our Lady to give our nation a little more time to wake up and come back to its senses. They lost, in other words, to the “little people”—folks with minivans full of kids, clinging to their bibles and guns, living out there in that basket of deplorables where God and family still matter more than government handouts and the right to kill babies.

    Obviously, this must be kept in perspective. Donald Trump was elected last night—not St. Thomas More. There will be disappointments coming out of the Trump White House, I’m sure of it. Let us not deceive ourselves, and let’s be realistic: America has a long, long way to go if she is to return to sanity. Our country is still in de facto rebellion against God. We’re not out of the woods, not even close. But hell suffered a setback last night.

    So let us pray that President Trump can take steps, even baby steps, to reverse engines and change course. Our expectations are modest, to say the least, but not without hope and certainly not without a firm conviction that the alternative comes from the bowels of hell itself and would have dealt a deathblow to Christian America.

    Yesterday’s losers offer the greatest reason for today’s hope. Their defeat proves that the evil ones, though powerful, are not invincible. They can be resisted, even defeated. Whether you like the man personally or not, Donald Trump has proven beyond any doubt that the war for God, family, and the unborn in this country is a winning proposition that is far from defeat.

    That low groaning we hear all across America today is the sound of demon teeth gnashing. And for that, whatever reservations we may have about our new president to be, decent Americans can raise a “joyful noise unto the Lord” today as they breathe a national sigh of relief.

    With cautious optimism moving forward, we thank God for the miracle that is the defeat of the pro-abort, pro-sodomy, anti-American Hillary Rodham Clinton. And we thank Donald Trump for taking a stand on behalf of good people whose voice has been silenced in this country for far too long. Last night they spoke out, and their newfound voice changed history.

    Pray for Donald Trump. He’s not Catholic, and thus doesn’t have the benefit of the Sacraments. And yet all the powers of hell are going to come after him today like there is no tomorrow.

    May God bless America, and may America use this reprieve to get down on her knees and bless God for His mercy on us.

    November 9, 2016 at 9:35 pm
    • Theresa Rose


      Have just read the article on the Remnant Newspaper. Hillary Clinton’s face tells the story of a serious disappointment. If looks could kill

      November 9, 2016 at 9:57 pm
    • RCA Victor


      That’s a great article. And here’s a little wry humor courtesy of the blog recommended to us by Waterside4:

      Mr. Briggs also points out, in an earlier article, that we can’t have a prolonged celebration because Trump won (at that point he was reaffirming his prediction that Trump would win) – that things would quickly settle back to the usual level of partisan smear campaigns, corruption, etc. No, our victory is just a respite – much like the pontificate of Benedict XVI was a respite, in certain respects, from the VII revolution, which has now been renewed with manic force. One might even say, with desperately manic force – since the agents of darkness seem to know they are running out of time…

      November 9, 2016 at 10:00 pm
      • editor

        RCA Victor,

        Send us [another] 10,000 dollar donation and you can control my opinions any day! 😀

        November 10, 2016 at 12:10 pm
      • RCA Victor


        I’ll be happy to send the zeros part… 🙂

        November 10, 2016 at 4:17 pm
  • gabriel syme

    Such great news that Trump has prevailed.

    We know he is no angel personally. He is brash, capable of being crude, has amassed a disgusting amount of personal wealth and he has left multiple wives and had multiple affairs. His personal conduct gives poor example in many ways.

    Yet this article (linked below) made me smile, comparing Trump to another individual who previously came to power during a tough time for Christians. He too had multiple wives, he too was very ambitious and was no angel. He became Emperor Constantine, in 312 AD:

    Perhaps the comparison seems a bit much!

    Yet – Trump made some big talk, prior to the election, about the kind of Supreme Court Judges he would appoint and what he expected them to do. He said he would appoint judges just like the recently deceased Justice Scalia (a latin-mass attending Traditional Catholic). The loss of Scalia from the Court was a major blow.

    Trump said he would expect the judges to “automatically” over-turn the abortion ruling roe v wade. He said it would be his “preference” that gay marriage rulings would be overturned too, though did not promise that.

    Is he as good as his word, or all talk? Will he reward those who put him in the White House?

    Here is a run down of his good and bad points:

    For me, that a Republican will appoint new supreme court judges (at least one, but probably 3+) is the best thing about his win. I was filled with horror to think of the standard of judge Clinton would produce.

    Finally, how typically short sighted of the Scottish Political leaders (all of them) to have openly snubbed Trump previously – imagine how Scotland might have prospered by having a half-Scot as US President, keen to invest his (admittedly excessive) personal wealth here, creating jobs etc. Sturgeon has already come out saying the vote “must be respected” as she begins her transparent efforts to toady back into his affections.

    In the lead up, I expected him to win. The Catholic blogger Mundabor (an Italian, whose style is not to everyone’s taste) gave excellent analysis on the election race, contradicting the mainstream liberal media smokescreens with real data. It was clear that Clinton was struggling and the day before the election – when the democrats suddenly cancelled their victory party without explanation – it was clear how things were going to turn out.

    I am not usually a big fan of US politics, but I feel this election was a biggie for Christians.

    Trump! Pence! 8 Years!

    November 9, 2016 at 9:50 pm
  • gabriel syme

    The NY Times gives a breakdown of how various demographics voted, based on exit polls:

    Seemingly 45% of Catholics voted for Clinton, with 52% voting for Trump.

    (presumably the balance were for the minor 3rd party candidates).

    November 9, 2016 at 10:06 pm
  • Therese

    Time for a laugh – I love these girls!:

    November 9, 2016 at 10:59 pm
    • editor


      Looks hilarious but there is something wrong with my sound and I can’t hear what they are saying. Still very funny watching their antics!

      November 10, 2016 at 12:52 am
  • Therese


    Go to Gloria TV and click on the video – it’s worth it – promise!

    November 10, 2016 at 11:47 am
    • editor


      I did, but can’t hear. I’ve obviously got a problem with my sound settings (although doesn’t happen all the time) but none of us can work out what it is. We will continue to investigate, be assured!

      November 10, 2016 at 12:03 pm

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