Paisley Diocese: Church Vs Christ – Schismatic Call To Revolution…

Paisley Diocese: Church Vs Christ – Schismatic Call To Revolution…

Blogger, Petrus, a member of the Diocese of Paisley, submitted the following article on the schismatic rumblings lurking in the final document published at the conclusion of  the recent diocesan meeting of malcontents aka diocesan “synod”. 


Pope Francis wants the Church to stop what it has been doing and make a fresh start. He is calling for a revolution in our thinking and acting. We have to stop trying to save the Church and instead try to spread the Gospel.
Pope Francis wants the Church to stop what it has been doing and make a fresh start. He is calling for a revolution in our thinking and acting. We have to stop trying to save the Church and instead try to spread the Gospel. (From the Final Document, Diocesan Synod)


On becoming Bishop of Paisley, Bishop John Keenan announced that he would hold a Diocesan Synod on the “New Evangelisation”.  I emailed the bishop with these recommendations to before the synod:

  • The faithful should receive Holy Communion kneeling and on the tongue.
  • Only the priest should distribute the Blessed Sacrament.
  • Restore the practice of altar servers being exclusively male given that there is a strong link between serving on the altar and vocations to the priesthood.
  • Restore Latin to the liturgy in every parish.
  • Weekly benediction of the blessed Sacrament and parish Rosary in every parish.
  • Consecrate the Diocese of Paisley to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

I’ve just read Bishop Keenan’s reply, saying this was music to his ears! However, there’s not a mention of these things in the final document, which has just been published.  The document is scandalous. I have provided the worst quotes from the report below.

Anyone wishing to read the entire document will find it here

The centre piece of the publication is the Diocesan Charter:

Paisley Diocesan Charter

 The Diocese of Paisley, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit and through the patronage of Our Lady of Paisley, will work towards being a faith filled community where:

  • There is a commitment to effective evangelisation centred on a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and a life lived with faith and charity.
  • Faith formation and active discipleship are of fundamental importance in developing the ‘Role of the Laity in the New Evangelisation’ within our parish and diocesan communities.
  • There is dynamic and collaborative engagement among all those called through Baptism into the family of God to use their gifts and talents to build up the body of Christ in an atmosphere of mutual respect.
  • All families feel welcome when they enter the church for liturgies, sacramental preparation or for support of any kind.
  • Youth are valued as bringing life to the Church.
  • There is a commitment to reach out to all of society, in particular those who feel excluded, offering witness to our belief that each person, made in the image and likeness of God, is deserving of dignity and respect.
  • The structures of the Diocese are designed to meet the needs of the diverse communities that they serve.
  • Each parish grows as a welcoming family of faith and each member of the parish community feels they belong and have something to contribute.
  • Communication in all its components: the message, the medium and the language, is understood as central to the success of the church in the modern era.
  • We actively use communication to promote the gospel message of peace and reconciliation.   END

As readers will no doubt note, this could be used in any denomination and nothing marks this out as Catholic.

As we move into the main body of the document I will simply provide the worst of what is a completely non-Catholic publication:

“Pope Francis wants the Church to stop what it has been doing and make a fresh start.  He is calling for a revolution in our thinking and acting.  We have to stop trying to save the Church and instead try to spread the Gospel.”

“The Fathers of the Second Vatican Council thought that the laity had become too passive or secondary as members in the Church, not much more than the ‘long arm’ of the clergy.  They had not been afforded their own proper dignity, vocation and responsibility. “

“New evangelisation is ecumenical. New evangelisation sees Catholics, Protestants and Evangelicals working together in the world, passing on the central Christian message.”

“Our Church is tired and too introverted to change.  Many practising  Catholics see the Church like belonging to a spiritual club that exists for the personal benefit of its members.”

There then follows a section on the feedback the bishop received as he went round the Diocese prior to the synod.  This is obviously feedback the bishop sympathises with (there’s no mention of the feedback I provided).

  1. “We need a new Pentecost. Our Pentecostal brethren are strong and we can learn from them.”
  2. “We can learn from Pentecostal services which are different every week. The young find Mass boring. We need to find different ways of celebrating it in order to convert them.”
  3. “Those who cannot go to Holy Communion should be addressed. The Church is conflicted on the GAY issue. They perceive themselves to be judged.  No-one asked them what their life is like.  The Church needs to look at how it treats GAYs and the marginalised.  The trials of life take people away, e.g. divorce. So they do not feel part of the Church. This means we lose the parents and we lose the children.  What can we do about this?  Is it structural?  Also policies must include others.  We should ask priests to apologise to those who now no longer feel part of the Church.”
  4. “How about an ecumenical Praise in the Park? As a young person I am really encouraged by this forward-thinking approach of innovation but I can understand the issues other are raising.  We all have to look forward progressively.  We cannot worry about the past but must now make the diocese better.  This may be uncomfortable but remember the aim, a better, stronger diocese. “
  1. “We need to listen to the perspective of the young. Evangelical churches set up creative ways to bring Christ alive for children.  We can learn from them. “
  2. “We need to focus on the Holy Spirit and work with Pentecostal groups, like Healing Rooms. We are losing our Catholics to them.  There are no barriers at ground level to ecumenical work.  We are just brothers who love Jesus.   How does the ecumenical dimension tie into our renewal?  We need to be with other Christians as churches and communities together.  Can we not learn from other faiths?  We have a lot to learn from evangelical communities.  Ecumenism has often been formal and top down.  It would be good for it to be at ground level.  We can learn much from interfaith.”
  3. “Encouraging boys to serve at the altar is one way of promoting vocations although it would need to avoid the perception of sexism or the criticism of not learning anything from recent scandals. Young people should not be exclusively identified with boys and too much emphasis need not be placed on gender. Female servers, in fact, encourages vocations to the religious life and serving at the altar is a way for all young people to grow in their faith and prepare to live their Catholic vocation as married, single or religious.”  END        

I think in terms of renewing the Diocese of Paisley this synod and final publication has zero chance of making any meaningful impact. In fact, there’s really nothing Catholic about this at all.    Signed… Petrus.


Before he was announced as the new Bishop of Paisley, “Father John Keenan” was repeatedly described to me as “on our side”, an “orthodox” priest. This despite the fact that he showed absolutely no sign whatsoever of being orthodox, no interest in our work. He presumably pretended to be “on our side” but I never once heard from him – like every other career-priest in Scotland, he ignored us.  Then, too, there was the inconvenient fact that, as Catholic chaplain at Glasgow University, he permitted one dissenter after another to use the chaplaincy as a platform to spread their anti-Catholicism and adversely influence students. He would  bleat that he really couldn’t do anything about it, when one of the Catholic Truth team would ring him to ask him to prevent this latest scandal.  

So, now, here we have him in full blown dissent – not from Pope Francis, of course (that would be virtually impossible) but in dissent from Catholic teaching which decrees that to separate Christ from His Church is heresy.  As Cardinal Newman put it, “…the Catholic Church IS the Christian dispensation”.  Catholicism IS Christianity. Yet, Bishop Keenan urges us to learn from “our Pentecostal brethren” (Protestant extremists, albeit well-meaning individuals) and to scrap the Church (in accordance with Pope Francis’ desire) in order to start afresh.  Now, about THAT they can certainly learn from the Protestants. They’ve been starting new churches since Luther, Knox & Company started the bandwagon rolling way back in the Middle Ages.  The writer of the Final Document appears not to have noticed the irony in the the remark that “we are losing our Catholics to Pentecostal groups” – and I doubt if Bishop Keenan will recognise all the irony, all the NON-Catholicity in each and every sentiment of that awful document. Let’s hope it’s actually NOT the “final” document – or Paisley is doomed. 

Now, don’t tell me that this is just a diocesan synod and so  these suggestions probably came from lay people, or some dissenting clergy.  Who cares?  That would simply serve to underline the Bishop’s negligence, his dereliction of duty. You read Petrus’s suggestions, entirely in keeping with Catholic Tradition; if Bishop Keenan is so “orthodox” (yeah right)  why didn’t he clutch at those suggestions  as a drowning man clutches at the proverbial straw?  

It’s the Bishop’s job to act as shepherd, keeping the faithful on the right path. If the Bishop had truly lamented the errors, the modernist spirit, in which his synod was clearly steeped,  he should have closed it down and sent the revolutionaries home. Fleas in ears, springs to mind. 

Do you see why Our Lord warned us to beware of false prophets? Do you recognise Bishop Keenan as a shepherd in wolves’ clothing?  Can you see why he – and his ilk – is heading for Hell?  If not, visit Specsavers.  One thing is clear: if you want to save your soul, avoid Paisley Diocese like the plague.

And about that “revolution”… buy yourself a copy of the Catechism of the Council of Trent. That way, you really will revolutionise your Faith and start afresh [your spiritual life, NOT “The Church”].  We’re called to sanctify ourselves. That’s our essential Catholic vocation. We are called to change ourselves. We are  NOT called to change the Church.

Let’s hear your verdict on the Paisley synod.   

Comments (47)

  • Therese


    I can only agree with everything you have written. These people are no longer Catholic; they have nothing to offer of any value whatsoever, and are now just another Protestant sect. I don’t know whether they are actually blind to that fact, or whether they are deliberate heretics; in any event, the outcome is the same. We have thousands and thousands of Christian men, women and children being tortured and butchered on a daily basis, untold millions of babies have been ripped apart in the womb, and they’d like an Ecumenical Praise in the Park. Fingers in their ears, loudly humming la la la la la.

    Yeats’ poem is coming truer daily: Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity…

    October 27, 2016 at 9:37 pm
    • editor


      “These people are no longer Catholic…I don’t know whether they are actually blind to that fact, or whether they are deliberate heretics.. “

      Exactly. That’s the problem. So many of those attending that daft synod will have been deprived of a genuine Catholic education, never have been taught the Faith properly, etc. And the fact that they are attending the novus ordo doesn’t help.

      But the Bishop is in a different category. He’s going to face a terrible judgment for accepting the role of shepherd of souls and then turning wolf.

      As for “Ecumenical Praise in the Park” – I know what I’d give them, the lot of them, if I bumped into them in a park – and “praise” isn’t on the list! 😀

      October 28, 2016 at 12:07 am
    • Faith of Our Fathers

      Therese you said that they maybe deliberate heretics . When you see the list this guy has drawn up for us to be ” Better Catholics ” your statement can only be true. Are they being brainwashed into the so called Billy Graham sindicate . It most certainly looks that way . Nowhere on his list is something God Forbid like starting afresh . Going to Confession and healing the soul or maybe with this career Clergy it’s only a matter of time before they charge us for confession.

      October 28, 2016 at 6:09 pm
  • Faith of Our Fathers

    Seems to me as this guy Keenan is a Protestant in all but name that if he believes the Pentecostals are so holy he should pick up his Bible and mozy over to them . My God a so called Catholic Bishop wanting us to learn from Pentecostals. Well Sir here’s something. A few years ago I had a conversation with one of these Pentecostal Gentlemen and his scathing of Our Lady was certainly something to be learned. Also you Sir you’d know that we don’t go to Mass to be entertained we go to worship at least some of us do . –Career Clergy indeed ,wonder what size of a car you drive My Lord Bishop.

    October 27, 2016 at 10:57 pm
    • editor


      Seems to me [Bishop] Keenan is a Protestant in all but name…”

      Yip. This echoes what we have been saying about ALL the Bishops, more or less, since we opened up shop in 1999.

      October 28, 2016 at 12:04 am
  • Faith of Our Fathers

    Just a P S and to tell you the truth if I could I would use stronger language. What is it about all these Clergy who want to apologise to ( let’s not beat about the bush ) Homosexuals. Am sure am not the only one who’s fed up to the back teeth with all this Apologiesing .

    October 27, 2016 at 11:04 pm
  • RCA Victor

    I think Petrus has nailed it, there is nothing Catholic about this disgraceful document. Someone ought to ask this Bishop why he bothers to identify himself as a Catholic. He needed a job? Good pay & benefits? Likes the wardrobe? Corner office with a nice view? Or was it that he simply wanted to make a career out of surrendering the Church to her enemies?

    October 27, 2016 at 11:29 pm
    • editor

      RCA Victor,

      Could be any of those things – OR it could be he was just trying to annoy us, beavering away at Catholic Truth!

      October 28, 2016 at 12:02 am
  • Prognosticum

    “The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.”

    Therese is spot on. These lines from Yeats’ The Second Coming are most apposite in relation to the Church of our time.

    I was overtaken by an immense sadness while reading the document under discussion. Bishop Keenan is undoubtedly well intentioned, but it will not be this screed–badly written and banal in the extreme, to say nothing of its imprudence in matters theological and liturgical–to save us from the ravages of these secularizing times whose cruel winds are laying bare our infidelities.

    On the contrary, I fear that Bishop Keenan’s medicine may turn out to be worse than the disease it seeks to cure as it drives even more nails into the coffin of Catholic identity.

    October 28, 2016 at 5:49 am
    • Fidelis


      Why do you say that Bishop Keenan is undoubtedly well intentioned,?

      I have the impression that he is a devious man. I remember reading here or in the newsletter that someone wrote to ask him if he would learn the old Mass (after Summorum Pontificum came out) and he replied that he would wait to see what the new archbishop (vacant at the time) thought about it.

      I call that careerism. It really shocks me. Pope Francis has condemned it a few times, and it’s probably the only thing he’s got right so far! LOL!

      October 28, 2016 at 9:37 pm
      • Prognosticum

        Obviously you have the advantage of knowing Bishop Keenan better than I do. I have never found mim to be either devious or a careerist. I just think that he is wrong to have tied his colours so irrevocably to Francis’ mast.

        This document, which I have read and re-read, is, in my humble opinion, misconceived, ill-thought-out, and badly written and produced, to say nothing of its theological limitations. It locks the diocese into a pastoral trajectory which will ultimately fail because at its heart there is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the Catholic Church is.

        I take no pleasure in saying this, but if I were a priest or a seminarian from Paisley, I would be seriously considering my options.

        October 29, 2016 at 1:20 pm
      • editor


        Maybe Fidelis was a bit harsh to describe Bishop Keenan as “devious” – although maybe, as you say, she knows him personally. I don’t, but while I may not say “devious” I do think he has had at least one eye on the career ladder – or maybe just one eye on remaining on good terms with his boss. Could be that Otherwise, assuming that he does not have a completely weak character, why is he able to fool the orthodox/traditional leaning Catholics into thinking he’s the best bishop since Bishop Auckland, while having the modernists/heretics, come to the same conclusion? Something’s not right.

        I have just noticed Your “I have never found him to be…” which suggests that YOU know him personally: if so, perhaps you’d enlighten the rest of us with regard to the above conundrum. How come he is able to keep on the “right” side and the “left” side of the divide – and still keep a clear conscience?

        October 29, 2016 at 7:42 pm
  • Theresa Rose

    This so called New Evangelisation would probably make Martin Luther proud.

    October 28, 2016 at 9:34 am
  • crofterlady

    I was (temporarily) struck dumb (and that’s saying something) when I read the above. If it’s taught me something it is that I will never write to a modernist bishop again. A waste of time. They are apostates and Bishop Keenan is considered in neo-catholic land as the best. Haha, when I wrote “neocatholic” Google tried to change the spelling to “neolithic” haha!

    Anyway, as I was saying, that charter is nothing short of heretical. Saying “the young find Mass boring” is spot on, they find THEIR Mass, the Novus Ordo Missae boring, that’s for sure, and now they want to make it even more “entertaining” i.e. BORING! If the youth were properly catechised in the first place AND were fed on the Mass of Ages, they wouldn’t be bored. I never ever, before all these liturgical novelities heard anyone complain that the Mass was boring.

    Yes, we are losing people to the evangelicals and I’m hanging on to my young people by the skin of my teeth. They are not being fed at parish level and find the young evangelicals inspirational. Either the Catholic Church IS the one true Church instituted by Christ or She’s not. If She is, then the shepherds would need to tend her and their flocks rather than pandering to heretics.

    October 28, 2016 at 10:41 am
    • Fidelis


      You blew me away when you said “I never ever, before all these liturgical novelties, heard anyone complain that the Mass was boring.”

      Nor me. Thank you for that – I will say that over and over when the subject comes up. It is just SO true!

      October 28, 2016 at 9:40 pm
  • RCA Victor

    This Bishop’s document is not surprising, really, when you consider that the entire Novus Ordo environment is one of compromise – of the Faith being compromised, that is, for human respect. The Vatican-Moscow Agreement, the deceitfully omitted condemnation of Communism at VII, the VII documents tainted with Modernism and deliberate vagueness, the “new Mass” specifically designed to avoid offending Protestants, the complete relaxation of discipline in the religious orders, the refusal of Popes to discipline heresies, the watering down and secularization of theology…it is all based on compromise. The foundation of the Novus Ordo Church, in fact, is compromise and surrender to the world – and specifically, to those nefarious elements in the world who seek to destroy the Church.

    The saddest part is that the utterances of the compromisers (that is, the Judases within) become more and more absurd and meaningless as time advances. Just like the documents of VII, this piece of rubbish could mean just about anything – which, I suspect, is exactly what its framers had in mind.

    Why doesn’t Bishop Keenan just run up a white flag atop his cathedral?

    October 28, 2016 at 2:30 pm
  • westminsterfly

    Universal Living Rosary Association (ULRA) do a good booklet called ‘The Pentecostal Movement: A threat to the Faith’ by R Saverino. I found an online copy here:- or if you want a paper copy, contact ULRA rep. Anne Curran at [email protected]

    October 28, 2016 at 4:37 pm
  • Lily

    I am appalled by that document. It’s really hard to stomach. I wonder why people ever thought he was an orthodox priest? I presume he said he was pro-life, LOL!

    October 28, 2016 at 8:14 pm
  • Petrus

    Well, well, well. I’ve been fighting it out on Bishop Keenan’s Facebook page. The usual half-baked Catholics have come to his defence. One claimed that we had a “100% guarantee that the Holy Spirit chose John Keenan to be bishop of Paisley”. I was tempted to write, “And Our Lord chose Judas”, but I didn’t. I simply asked him to show me something from Holy Scripture or Tradition to prove this. He headed for the hills.

    Another wee woman called me a doughball and a lunatic ….before telling me she had, “read what I had been writing in my newsletter”! I told her I didn’t have a newsletter. She responded by saying that I knew fine well which newsletter she meant and it was outrageous calling Bishop Keenan a Protestant.

    So, folks, the numpties are watching!

    October 28, 2016 at 9:35 pm
    • Fidelis


      They really are numpties, and I hope they are watching so they read what we think of them here. A bunch of Protestants. Some Protestants would be offended at that because they know enough Scripture to know that these half-baked Catholics are just so unbelievably ignorant, that they wouldn’t be able to be defined as Protestants. If you can follow that – LOL!

      Well done you for taking them on on Facebook. The ignorance to think the Holy Ghost picked their Bishop when we don’t even have that guarantee for a pope! They really are a bunch of ignorant idiots.

      I found that document totally scandalous. I wonder if any Catholics in Paisley will shocked at it?

      October 28, 2016 at 9:45 pm
      • Daniel Coll

        There was me thinking we were all children of god

        October 29, 2016 at 8:41 am
      • editor


        “There was me thinking we were all children of god (sic)”

        Well, you’re wrong. You cannot be a child of God and reject His Church, preferring to start another one.

        Our Lord warned us against falling into the error of thinking we are all “children of God”. Wrong! (He said) – if you wish to be a child of God, keep His commandments: “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.”

        Than means dropping the nonsense of the Church being “conflicted” about homosexuality and it means learning the Faith from sound priests and proven catechists who will teach you all about the true nature of the Church and the true role of the laity – which is ALWAYS OUTSIDE the sanctuary!

        The people pontificating at that daft synod, certainly the activist types, are probably too young to remember the Church prior to Vatican II, so they are the last people who should be making suggestions about how to “change” the Church. As St Francis De Sales said, paraphrasing slightly but without changing the sense: Christ’s Church is perfect, it is in no need of reform…

        YOU, Daniel, YOU and I, WE are in need of reform. Not Christ’s Church, because Christ and His Church are one. The Church is holy, because Christ is holy. Individuals members sin but not the Church. Which is holy…

        So forget about your God-forsaken diocese of Paisley (I’m presuming you are an inmate!) and find a traditional Mass – start attending Sunday after Sunday and watch your life turn around…. back to God!

        October 29, 2016 at 7:03 pm
  • gabriel syme

    I would like to say well done to Petrus for putting forth his own excellent suggestions and engaging with the Bishop and other lay people.

    This is good work, but – jings – the poor quality of the suggestions generated by the diocesan synod shows the scale of the task, and then some! The synod output demonstrates a fundamentally protestant understanding and outlook.

    I think Bishop Keenan is a kindly and well intentioned man, but he cannot be all things to all people. If this synod output represents the direction of the paisley diocese, then the production of the document amounts to the diocese signing its own death warrant.

    A problem is that novus ordo Bishops want the lay people to lead – and that is about as sensible as letting the lay people conduct brain surgery or pilot a space rocket, for example.

    Its is noticeable that, while at times there is recognition that change is needed, it seems the mentality is that the change can be towards anything except the noble tradition which sustained the Church for 2,000 years, through thick and thin.

    In contrast, we have had barely half a century of this “roman protestantism” and already the ba’ is burst (and kicked over the fence for good measure).

    October 28, 2016 at 9:47 pm
  • gabriel syme

    Editors commentary that the synod output contains nothing with identifies it as Catholic is spot on.

    I am terrible for making long-winded posts and I could bang on and on about this topic – I will try just to make a few observations:

    1) In large part the synod output amounts to saying “copy the protestants”. An idiotic idea, (not to mention scandalous, heretical etc), given protestantism has been a total failure and is now in the twilight of its existence. In any case, this is what the Church has been doing since the 60s, with the resultant great harm.

    2) The reason the youth find mass boring is because its a banal copy of protestantism, dominated by lay people. It is not clear to the young what mass is, what the Church is, or why they should be interested in it. The cure to this is tradition, yet remarkably the feedback suggests copying protestantism some more. Yes, let’s throw petrol on the flames!

    3) The Church isn’t “conflicted on the gay issue” the catechism is very clear.

    4) Whoever suggested “ecumenical praise in the park” should be put against a wall and shot.

    5) We cannot “learn from evangelicals” about how to engage with children (more copying protestants – argh!). Here is a recent blog post from an evangelical who is starting to realise that they have it all wrong with regard to children:

    6) “Healing rooms?” Saints preserve us! And more ecumenical prattle. All a dog can do is bark, and all these people can do is bleat about ecumenism – a stunt which has long since been a failure.

    7) As for fears about sexism thanks to altar boys (!?!) – yes that credible, isn’t it? It would be much better for the Church to fade to nothing, than for some ninny to get upset about non-existent sexism, wouldn’t it?

    This bit below is especially idiotic:

    New evangelisation sees Catholics, Protestants and Evangelicals working together in the world, passing on the central Christian message.

    What “central Christian message”? Catholicism IS Christianity. The tens of thousands of protestant sects are not. They do not share our values or our faith.

    October 28, 2016 at 10:06 pm
  • John Kearney

    Honestly it is the same old blah blah I have been listening to for about 50 years. they are always of course working with the Holy Spirit and going nowhere. So the blame must one with the Holy Spirit. Where is the life, where is the fire? With such boredom would the Church have produced Francis Xavier, John Ogilvie, thousands of saints on fire for the Church. Wanting to spread the message of Jesus throughout the world and being encouraged to do so. They are just dead people who have turned the church into a graveyard. But they are very nice and they say all the nice things. But why wold any young person want to join them. Youth want to ne on fire. They want a purpose, something too fight for and they certainly do not get that in the Catholic Church in Paisley nor indeed anywhere else in the UK. Catholic schools are full of teachers who are nice because they give to the missions, but do they live a life that would inspire their pupils? If I had been educated in the boring Churches of today I doubt if I would at the moment be a practicing Catholic. It is nice to hear that Jesus loves us but if you are one of the children from broken homes or have no father, it is not so easy in every day life to think that Jesus loves you. So all the preaching about Jesus loving you is irrelevant the most part. And anyway it is obvious that Catholics do not take the words of Jesus seirously They are always talking about parents breaking up but never give them as much as a nod.

    October 28, 2016 at 10:10 pm
  • gabriel syme

    Our Church is tired and too introverted to change

    That’s an interesting comment from the synod isn’t it?

    It rather flies in the face of the guff about the “new springtime of Vatican II” and the “throwing open the windows” and “going out into the world” doesn’t it?

    Suddenly we find ourselves tired and introverted. What gives?

    The problems the Church has are:

    1) Complete loss of identity / sense of self
    2) Complete loss of sense of purpose
    3) No obvious “brand” / clear message / point to the whole enterprise of Catholicism

    This is why the Church is failing. This is why the clergy and lay people are all standing looking at one another blankly, hoping someone has an idea, a clue or a suggestion to make.

    A Cardinal at Vatican II said that at no point in history had the Church had a better educated laity. A few decades later and the Church has never had a more ignorant laity, as the synodal output shows.

    October 28, 2016 at 10:15 pm
    • RCA Victor

      Gabriel Syme,

      Very telling observations! Moreover, your first quote is straight out of Pope Francis’ demagogic lexicon, and it implies, frankly, the necessity of a second revolution – which Francis, of course, is only too happy to enact. His idea of a “revolution,” though, is to surrender the Church to the United Nations’ Agenda 21, lock, stock and barrel.

      Judas, dost thou betray the Son of Man with a carbon footprint?

      October 28, 2016 at 11:41 pm
    • Prognosticum

      I agree whole heartedly.

      October 29, 2016 at 1:27 pm
  • gabriel syme

    Why doesnt the diocese of paisley simply look for where the dynamic currents are in the today’s Church?

    It is obvious that the small, but vibrant, traditional part of the Church is booming – compared to the moribund, crumbling diocese structure in the west.

    Why not swallow their pride and copy success? (instead of copying protestants).

    October 28, 2016 at 10:25 pm
  • Therese

    Why doesnt the diocese of paisley simply look for where the dynamic currents are in the today’s Church?

    Because they aren’t Catholic – in fact they seem to despise Catholicism, and they – like the rest of the traitors – are happy that the Church has been humbled. The very last thing they want to see is a resurgence of Tradition. They are enemies of the Church. It’s that simple, and too many of us have been avoiding the obvious for years.

    October 28, 2016 at 10:36 pm
    • RCA Victor

      I agree completely, Therese: the VII revolution has turned them into protestants, which is why they sound like protestants. But I must say, even protestants don’t sound as idiotic as this document does. They may be heretics, but at least they have convictions.

      October 28, 2016 at 11:36 pm
  • Athanasius

    First of all may I offer my thanks to Petrus for taking the time to formulate the introduction to this thread and for having done his Catholic duty by suggesting to Bishop Keenan what he needs to do if he wants to see a true restoration of Catholicism in the diocese of Paisley.

    From the document of Paisley diocese on “The New Evangelisation”, two things are patently obvious. The first is that, despite references to Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, the document is completely and utterly void of supernatural faith. It is from first to last a secular social workers guide that could just as easily have been produced by the Masonic Lodge. There is no fidelty whatsoever to divine truth and doctrinal integrity in this work.

    The second observation is that, assuming Paisley diocese, like all others, has a so-called “Council of priests”, it would appear that they and the laity, not the Bishop, are the ones truly running the diocese of Paisley. This means that Bishop Keenan is at best guity of the sin of dereliction of duty by subjecting his episcopal authority to subordinates and thereby exposing the faith and numberless souls under his care to certain ruin.

    The alternative is that Bishop Keenan is wilfuly ignorant of a true definition of the Church and her mission on this earth, as clearly expressed in both Sacred Scripture and by the authentic Magisterial teaching of the Popes through the centuries, not to mention the saints, Doctors and Councils.

    There is one other alternative which doesn’t bear contemplating, and it is that Bishop Keenan knows well the Church’s Traditional teaching but rejects it in favour of the Protestant model of salvation by faith alone, which of course is a ruse for salvation regardless of how one lives.

    Whatever his motivation, Bishop Keenan need not expect Our Lord to say to him on the day of his judgment “Come thou, o faithful servant, into the kingdom prepared for you”. No, unless he greatly alters his trajectory, casting aside all human respect to become the true shepherd of souls and defender of sound doctrine that his duty demands of him, then what he will hear from Our Lord is what Archbishop Lefebvre said he never wanted to hear with regard to himself, which is “And what did you do with your priesthood? You helped destroy the Church along with the rest of them.”

    These Modernists should understand clearly that Our Lord is not so much interested in quantity as in quality when it comes to those who claim to be Catholic. He made this perfectly clear in the parable about the wide and narrow gates, the latter representing the true number of those who would be saved.

    Did not Our Lord Himself admonish that not all those who say Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but rather only they who do the will of His Father? And yet here we have the Modernists today saying the opposite with a new ‘all-inclusive’ doctrine which effectively eliminates the necessity of repentance and amendment of life for those living in objective mortal sin.

    Isn’t this the doctrine of Luther? Isn’t it, to paraphrase St. John the Evangelist, a perverted Gospel that brings anathema upon its disciples and behoves all true Catholics to run for the hills upon the peril of their immortal souls?

    It is fairly easy to predict that Paisley diocese will continue to decline under the influence of this new teaching until there is nothing left but complete humanism posing as religion. We already see this worldly spirit in the fixation with “human dignity and human respect”. Never mind the dignity of Almighty God and the respect we owe to Him by obeying His Commandments and upholding the divine truths He has revealed through His Church, which are not subject to alteration, much less suppression. That, tragically, is the message of Paisley’s new proposals. The document produced by that diocese should be entitled “Come one, come all! Hop aboard the ‘New Evangelisation’ express driven by Lucifer, the angel of enlightenment himself!”

    October 29, 2016 at 4:32 pm
    • RCA Victor


      That is truly an eloquent indictment of the faithless Paisley document, and filled with the fire of Faith as well. Have you considered sending it to the Bishop? And/or, letting Petrus post it on their Facebook page, where he is apparently engaged in battle with the usual suspects?

      October 29, 2016 at 8:04 pm
      • Athanasius

        RCA Victor

        I fear I would be wasting my time sending it to the Bishop. I am perfectly happy, however, for Petrus to make use of it on their Facebook page if he thinks it will help. I don’t have a Facebook accoun t myself, so OVER TO YOU, PETRUS.

        October 29, 2016 at 9:34 pm
  • Petrus

    We’ve now had the old chestnuts on Bishop Keenan’s page. I’m outside the Church. The SSPX are excommunicated. Blah, blah, blah.

    October 29, 2016 at 7:30 pm
    • editor


      As ever, these modernists contradict themselves. Firstly, on the “judgemental” scale they get 100% for (mis)judging you, and secondly, they fail to correctly assess or judge their “Pentecostal Brethren” who really ARE in schism.

      As for the SSPX – well, no pope has ever said that the SSPX is in schism, so who are they (she said wearily – you know what’s coming, don’t you…) to judge?

      Again – they need to provide evidence. They won’t find any, as we know, but keep insisting they look. Ask them how the SSPX bishops whose (unjust) excommunications were lifted by Benedict in 2009 can possibly be excommunicated.

      O and while you’re at it, give them my love…

      October 29, 2016 at 7:36 pm
      • Petrus


        I’m all over this. Robert Mason is the main empty vessel. I think he’s one of our resident trolls, who is currently lurking under his bridge.

        October 29, 2016 at 7:47 pm
      • editor


        If it’s possible to read that Facebook page, even if, like moi, one is not on Facebook, then please post the link.

        October 29, 2016 at 8:46 pm
      • Athanasius


        He has a suspicious surname for a start “Mason”. How very revealing of him. Have things moved from Bob the Builder to Bob the Mason, do you think?

        October 29, 2016 at 9:36 pm
      • Gerontius


        Have things moved from Bob the Builder to Bob the Mason, do you think?

        Maybe he’s a fugitive from Trumpton, along with Hugh, Pugh, Barney McGrew, Cuthbert, Dibble and Grubb.

        And perhaps the rest of their synod members were recruited from the ranks of the Woodentops, along with Bill and Ben the Flowerpot Men….. I think the little weed may know something about it, don’t you?

        October 29, 2016 at 10:05 pm
      • Athanasius


        Honestly, I think some these people are smoking the “weed”!

        October 29, 2016 at 10:17 pm
    • gabriel syme

      We’ve now had the old chestnuts on Bishop Keenan’s page. I’m outside the Church


      You should point out to the hypocrites that, if they genuinely think you and other traditional Catholics are “outside the Church” – then they should start taking your advice pronto.

      After all, the synod output shows that all they want to do is copy people (protestants) who are 110% outside the Church!

      Of course, the dullwits are too confused / disorientated to realise this!

      I admire your patience with them!

      October 30, 2016 at 10:08 pm
  • RCA Victor

    I looked on the Diocese website to see if there was a link to a Council of Priests: there isn’t, but I found this, with phone numbers:

    October 29, 2016 at 8:09 pm
  • Athanasius

    Here’s a little something for the “New Evangelism” Modernists to contemplate as a possible crowd puller for the future. They already have the music!

    October 30, 2016 at 2:35 pm
    • editor



      October 30, 2016 at 3:55 pm
  • Prognosticum

    Your son is right to be riled. This has to be one of the most crass affirmations in what is a pretty crass document.

    But there is no getting away from the fact that the Novus Ordo does lend itself to renditions that are less than attractive. It is too ‘wordy’ for a start, shorn as it is of symbolism and, usually, beauty. In the hands of a priest who does not do his homework, it risks being seen, especially by uncatechized youth, as banal in the extreme.

    October 31, 2016 at 3:22 am
  • Michaela

    Is there any more news on the Paisley Charter?

    I tried to find the Facebook conversation but no luck.

    November 2, 2016 at 10:27 pm

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