General Discussion (13)

General Discussion (13)

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Comments (589)

  • RCA Victor

    Tradition in Action has just posted this bombshell about one of the main peritii at Vatican II: http://traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_182_Baum.html

    February 26, 2017 at 11:22 pm
    • editor

      RCA Victor,

      I read that a couple of weeks ago but can’t remember where. Not TIA, though – I think we have to be careful with that site.

      February 28, 2017 at 9:40 am
      • RCA Victor

        Editor,

        Don’t worry, that’s not an sv site, nor is it associated with the TFP – it’s Atila Guimaeres, the author of In the Murky Waters of Vatican II, i.e. vol. 1 of an 11-volume set, which caused him to be kicked out of the TFP.

        In fact, I just ordered Vol. II!

        (Rather unfortunate first name for a Catholic, though, wouldn’t you say? What was his mother thinking?)

        (We ought to do a thread some day on people who are given ridiculous names by their parents. For example, when I was born my mother shared a hospital room with a woman whose last name was “Shine.” She named her son “Rainor” – and he is actually an actor. He appears in the movie “The Rookie.”)

        February 28, 2017 at 6:28 pm
      • editor

        RCA Victor,

        “Rainor Shine” – that’s priceless.

        Oddly enough, I was speaking about just this topic recently with a friend, and we noticed that there are lots of people whose names fit their jobs. Frances Crook, for example, who is the Chief Executive for the Howard League for Penal Reform!

        Yes, that could be a fun thread – must bear that in mind!

        February 28, 2017 at 11:13 pm
  • gabriel syme

    Eponymous Flower reports that two new orders of traditional Benedictine monks have received canonical recognition, one in Italy and one in Ireland:

    http://eponymousflower.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/two-new-benedictine-orders-of-tradition.html

    Even a blind man could see that any worthwhile growth within the Church inevitably comes from Tradition.

    February 28, 2017 at 8:30 am
  • westminsterfly

    Latest salvo from the Bishop of Mostar re: Medjugorje. But will Catholics stop going there and promoting it? http://www.total-croatia-news.com/lifestyle/17006-local-bishop-there-were-no-apparitions-of-virgin-mary-in-medugorje

    February 28, 2017 at 9:31 am
    • editor

      WF,

      Thank you for that, It’s a while since we’ve reported on the Medjugorje “phenomenon” so I’ve posted a dedicated thread, using your link. You can reach it by clicking here

      Again, thank you for this alert.

      N O T I C E . . .

      Once again, I’ve failed to meet my own target of closing the GD thread at 500 comments. So, once again, will leave it now until we are at or near 600, so be careful not to be caught in mid-sentence!

      February 28, 2017 at 12:28 pm
  • westminsterfly

    Just to let people know that Fr Michael Clifton of the Southwark Archdiocese died recently. He used to offer the TLM for many years in London. He was more latterly known as the blogger ‘Fr Mildew’. He also wrote the excellent book ‘The Alliance of Dissent’ back in the 1980’s of which the ‘Protect the Pope’ blog commented:- “Fr Michael Clifton is famous among faithful and loyal Catholics for his painstaking work exposing the network of deliberate dissent that has infiltrated the Church in England and Wales. He published the fruit of his invaluable research in ‘The Alliance of Dissent: Turning the Church upside down’, which is sadly out-of-print. Fr Clifton’s work shows the historical context from which modern dissent groups have sprung, such as A Call to Action, Archbishop Nichol’s LGBT Farm St group, Quest and Catholics for a Changing Church.”

    I have heard that Fr. Clifton’s funeral Masses will be as follows:

    March 27th at 7.00pm – Old Rite
    March 28th at Noon – (Novus Ordo)

    They take place in St. Raphael’s Church, Portsmouth Road, Kingston upon Thames KT1 2NA

    February 28, 2017 at 2:37 pm
    • editor

      WF,

      Thank you for that alert. I’m sure I still have my copy of his book “Alliance of Dissent” somewhere, although at a quick glance at my bookshelves right now, I can’t see it. It’s worth noting that when he raised his head above the parapet in order to expose the dissenters in our midst, working with the clear support of the hierarchy in England & Wales, it was far from “fashionable” to do so.

      Anyway, I’m sad to hear of his death. May he rest in peace.

      February 28, 2017 at 2:48 pm
  • St Miguel February 28, 2017 at 9:28 pm
    • editor

      St Miguel,

      That does look interesting – although I’m not sure if it’s the same church that Gabriel Syme posted above.

      For some reason, your post had gone into moderation, so apologies for the delay in publishing it. I’ve been out pubbing and clubbing before Lent sets in tomorrow 😀 But normal service has been resumed, so I’m keeping an eye on the various folders where comments sometimes disappear, for no apparent reason. One of the perks of an admin job!

      February 28, 2017 at 11:15 pm
    • St Miguel

      No. it’s about the Regularisation of the SSPX and their new HQ in Rome.

      March 1, 2017 at 8:59 am
      • editor

        Thank you – I must read it asap.

        A short time later…

        I’ve read it. Very interesting. As for the possible “losses among priests and faithful” which Bishop Fellay fears… so what? There is, within the Society, a schismatic mindset among a minority who are quite happy with the present situation. That is, of course, less than Catholic, to say the least. We have to know that if there is any pressure to conform to Modernism, the SSPX will simply return to the previous situation. There is, in other words, nothing to lose and possibly everything to gain by regularisation.

        March 1, 2017 at 9:16 am
      • St Miguel

        It certainly looks like a done deal and one would expect the situation to be ratified on 13th May (or 7th July),as seems to be the common opinion. The fact that they seem to already use the term “Prelature HQ” seems to confirm the way they are going.

        March 1, 2017 at 11:31 am
      • editor

        Well, depends on who “they” are, St Miguel. I’ve no time to re-read the report right now, but is it the Society using that term, or A.N. Other?

        March 1, 2017 at 12:06 pm
      • Therese

        If the SSPX is “regularised”, won’t the Vatican be able to get its hands on SSPX property and finances? That’s my worry.

        March 2, 2017 at 8:19 pm
  • leprechaun

    Madame Editor,

    Leprechaun wishes you and your family and the Team behind CTS and all fellow bloggers and lurkers a good preparation for Easter during this Lent.

    God bless us all.

    March 1, 2017 at 8:09 am
    • editor

      Thank you Leprechaun, and we send your good wishes right back!

      March 1, 2017 at 9:16 am
  • wendy walker March 1, 2017 at 9:59 am
    • editor

      Utterly outrageous. I’m thinking of posting a dedicated thread on that so stand by.

      March 1, 2017 at 12:10 pm
    • St Miguel

      Wendy, as I have said many times on this blog, Abortion is being trivialised and going down the AL route, no big deal…it is coming. With the Belgian Nuns and the Zika virus capers, the Vatican has already authorised the use of abortifacients. The genie is out of the bottle…Rome will eventually turn on Pro Lifers in the same vein as they happily support LGBT causes. Eventually pro lifers will be seen as guilty of hate crime and totally marginalised, end up on government watch lists and persecuted with the full force of the law.

      March 1, 2017 at 11:39 am
      • wendy walker

        Yes St Miguel….very sad and true but believe me we will go down fighting for these precious innocents ..lets keep strong

        March 1, 2017 at 11:49 am
    • St Miguel

      Wendy, my biggest disappointment on this blog is the lack of zeal on behalf of bloggers on THIS subject. This is the biggest crime in all humanity and you and some others flag this up, as I do often…We have a Pope who tacitly condones abortion, no kidding, no exaggeration.He has ALREADY stated publicly (Zika virus HOAX) that abortifacients can be used (confirmed by Father Federico Lombardi) and reinstated the sacked member of the Knights of Malta.However, on this blog we have nit pickers moaning about how we should “address this man”, His Holiness, Pope etc and CRAVE and pray for the SSPX to be RECOGNISED by this same man.What does it take for the penny to drop?

      March 2, 2017 at 6:16 pm
      • editor

        St Miguel,

        You must be unaware of the fact – discussed by Wendy and I via email many times – that every time I post a pro-life thread, the ONLY contributors are the bloggers here. None of the allegedly “pro-life” activists appear, despite Wendy’s round robins passing on the link.

        Wendy posts links here just about every day so that we can follow up with signing petitions, writing to MPs etc and I presume that many, if not all, of us respond as often and as best we can. I suppose we could reply to every comment with the only possible response, that abortion is evil etc. but we tend, in these GD threads, to take that for granted.

        So, I think it is very unkind of you to accuse the bloggers here of lack of zeal on behalf of the unborn, when we do our level best, in whatever way we can.

        Not sure if you live in Glasgow but, if so – didn’t you see some of us at the 40 Days for Life when it was held here? Not many there on the days when we attended but I got to know them and so – if you’d attended – we would have met.

        Did we?

        March 2, 2017 at 6:27 pm
      • St Miguel

        I see very few bloggers (who avidly blog on so many other topics on the main blog), Trump etc. who seem to want to discuss this subject with the same gusto….only saying !

        March 2, 2017 at 6:44 pm
      • editor

        St Miguel,

        What a cheek! I’ve just checked, and you haven’t commented on the Medjugorje thread or the Padre Pio thread – so do YOU lack zeal or love for Our Lady… the Mass? Pots and kettles springs to mind. Let people comment where they feel they have something to say. It’s not for you to monitor the blog, please and thank you.

        In fact, it could be argued that blogging and abortion are not really soulmates – there really isn’t a lot to say about abortion is there, if one is a Catholic? We can only continue to condemn it and do whatever we can, personally, by signing petitions, etc to end it, but a string of blog comments, condemning abortion whether with gusto or not, is not gong to make a difference. There are excellent blogs, such as Abort 67, which provide the facts about abortion, and so there really isn’t a niche in the market for us – is there?

        I hope, sincerely, though, that you are not another troll on here looking only to attack us at every opportunity. Otherwise, Miguel, saint or no, you’ll be toast. Trust me.

        I’ll take it too, that the answer to my question is that we didn’t meet at the forty days for life?

        Well, I was there. More than once.. Reflect.

        March 2, 2017 at 7:25 pm
      • St Miguel

        Never seen you at the George Square Pro Life Rally over the many years I attended with Father Morrow of Humanae Vite House.

        March 2, 2017 at 8:45 pm
      • editor

        Perhaps because I was living in England at the time. Attending a pro-life rally, in any case, is not the litmus test of Catholic life. As I’ve already explain anybody of any religion and none should be horrified at the murderous attack on innocent human life in the womb.

        At the end of one of those pro-life rallies during my time in England (our then media officer) reported that the then Archbishop of Glasgow was so negligent in his care for the Blessed Sacrament that, at the end of the Mass which followed the pro-life event, a lay man stood at the cathedral doors offering the Chalice to all and sundry, asking “do you want some of this?”

        Shocking. Nobody, however, batted an eyelid. It took the Catholic Truth Media Officer to complain AND to lecture the archbishop for castigating Father Morrow during his sermon.

        PS Are you related to Medj Man? (see Medjugorje thread…) 😀

        Now, I’m about to close this thread down as there is now a fresh General Discussion thread. This conversation is now at an end. We are not discussing who is more pro-life than moi, any longer. Must be boring for readers. In fact, since I’ve never attended a George Square pro-life rally during the life of Father Morrow (or any other time, shock horror) allow me to announce YOU winner of the Best Pro-Life CT Blogger in all of Glasgow. There. End of…er… discussion. Literally!

        March 2, 2017 at 9:41 pm
      • Therese

        St Miguel

        That comment is utterly outrageous. FYI, the penny dropped for most of us in 1967 (those of us who are old enough at least). Just because bloggers here insist on giving the Pope his proper title does not reflect negatively on their zeal with regard to crime of abortion..

        March 2, 2017 at 8:32 pm
      • St Miguel

        The point is that in the past we had Popes who would never ever condone abortion. Now we have ambiguity from this Pope.

        March 2, 2017 at 8:47 pm
      • editor

        On this subject, and on just about everything else. Don’t forget, St Miguel, that abortion is not a “Catholic” issue – it is a moral issue and there are people of every religion and none who condemn it. Our blog is dealing with the crisis as it affects the Church – that is, once the Church is put to rights, we won’t have popes and bishops promoting immorality of any kind, let alone the murder of innocent unborn babies.

        March 2, 2017 at 9:34 pm
    • editor

      Wendy, I suspect your comment went into moderation because there is only a link and no comment from you. Best to include a few words to indicate it’s a real comment from a real, live blogger!

      March 1, 2017 at 12:05 pm
  • Steven Calovich (@Rushintuit)

    “The time has come…”

    Six days after the Lateran Treaty was ratified, Our Lady of the Rosary formally requested the Consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart. One of the key personalities connected with the founding of the Vatican Bank was Bernardino Nogara:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardino_Nogara

    March 1, 2017 at 8:29 pm
    • St Miguel

      Interesting, always follow the money Stephen, as that is the oil in the machine. And now we have the scandalous IOR for decades, Banco Ambrosiano and all that jazz, people falling out of windows, the old Michelle Sindona, Roberto Calvi and Archbishop Marcinkus caper……now the Regularisation of the SSPX….wonder if finance has anything to do with THAT ?

      March 2, 2017 at 9:04 am
      • Steven Calovich (@Rushintuit)

        Financial corruption could well have been the wedge Satan used to create the crack, that let his smoke enter into the Church.

        March 2, 2017 at 6:28 pm
      • St Miguel

        Looked at your link Stephen and followed it all the way through via Pius XI and to date including the Vatican Bank scandals, most enlightening. Seems David Yallop’s book, In God’s Name has got it well documented. A few other links out in the ether looking at the SSPX property portfolio and assets and so forth which brings more questions to mind.

        March 2, 2017 at 6:36 pm
  • wendy walker

    The above is a fund raising page for MARCH FOR LIFE …..

    March 2, 2017 at 9:32 am
  • wendy walker

    http://citizengo.org/en-gb/lf/41644-stop-diana-johnson-mp-abortion-up-to-birth-bill?dr=6

    Petition to stop Diana Johnson MP Abortion up to birth bill…please sign and share

    March 2, 2017 at 9:34 am
    • editor

      Wendy,

      Signed…

      March 2, 2017 at 10:24 am
  • Therese

    SIGNED.

    March 2, 2017 at 8:23 pm
  • editor

    this GD thread no. 13 is now closed. General Discussion thread no. 14 is now open; click here

    Thank you to all who contributed here.

    March 2, 2017 at 9:43 pm

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