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  • editor

    If anything shows the dreadful (lack of) quality of seminary training, it’s this report.

    The ignorance of this “ex-priest” shows in more ways than one, but to focus on the subject of the report for now, if a man can be ordained and not be able to distinguish between a religious belief and the natural moral law, there’s clearly something wrong. Would he say that banning theft is pushing a “religious belief” down people’s throats? Should we not enforce the law on stealing, because some idiots think it’s a “religious belief” and not part of the natural moral order of things?

    February 15, 2017 at 11:26 am
  • wendy walker February 15, 2017 at 1:11 pm
    • WurdeSmythe

      A failed Catholic priest now supports deliberately ending the lives of children.

      What Murtah is doing is saying that if you are religious, your argument must be discounted on the grounds that you are religious. Like his fellow leftists at the Huffington Post, he asserts without proof that if you’re religious then your remarks are necessarily unwelcome intrusions. It’s an insidious ad hominem in that Fr. Dan does not condemn a fellow for being religious, he merely marginalizes and ignores him by relying on insupportable pretense. What cheek.

      Meanwhile, this failed agnostic recognized that abortion is the taking of an innocent human life long before he became Catholic. There was no reference to religious considerations in this realization because I didn’t know any religion; for me it was natural law and common sense. Environment and upbringing didn’t incline me that way either: my parents were pro-choice.

      Based on my experience, I say: so much for opposition to abortion being an argument based on religious arguments.

      February 15, 2017 at 1:38 pm
      • St Miguel

        Good point….I have a few friends who are atheists who DEPLORE abortion and yet this idea is seen as Catholic, translates to Irish/thick in my neck of the woods and if the catholic church is against abortion the other so called Christians are for it, viz Lutherans (much loved by Bergoglio and his entourage.Ergo if you are Pro Life you are thick/stupid uneducated working class etc.

        February 20, 2017 at 3:02 pm
  • crofterlady February 15, 2017 at 5:51 pm
    • RCA Victor

      Crofterlady,

      While I agree that this mission of Cardinal Burke is indeed extremely suspicious, I notice that 1P5 links some tweets from Hilary White in the article, discussing “something big” that’s about to hit. One of her tweets says that her “theology friends” tell her that a Council cannot depose a Pope. Unfortunately for her and her “theology friends,” precisely the opposite is true: a Council is the only Church body that can depose a Pope! Apparently HW and her friends have not read <True or False Pope?…which is not surprising, since she seems to deal primarily with rumors, speculation and putting words in people’s mouths.

      February 15, 2017 at 7:03 pm
      • editor

        RCA Victor,

        I’m fed up waiting for the “something big” news foretold several days ago; we were led to believe that Cardinal Mueller was about to resign and Cardinal Burke had cancelled all of his engagements.,

        Best part of a week on, and still no news! So much for all their supposed highly placed and reliable sources!

        February 15, 2017 at 7:19 pm
      • Lily

        Editor,

        I know what you mean. There are rumours all over the place for days but nothing’s happened. I’ve been looking at 1P5 and rorate caeli sites today and they seem to have loads of Vatican sources, so they get all the rumours all the time. Why not Catholic Truth – do you not have Vatican sources (or even one?!)

        February 16, 2017 at 12:02 am
      • editor

        Lily,

        Not any more! (she said, mysteriously!)

        February 16, 2017 at 10:03 am
  • gabriel syme

    Edward Pentin reports that the Order of Malta will elect its new leader in April.

    Surprisingly, Francis has said he would accept it if they decide to re-elect Matthew Festing (whom Francis recently forced to resign)..

    https://twitter.com/EdwardPentin/status/831907514526662656

    I wonder if Francis has become aware that he has been making more and more enemies over time, and is attempting to address this.

    Personally I don’t think they should re-elect Festing as, in my opinion, he has shown himself as someone who can easily be bullied, after he caved in to Francis’ groundless demands to resign.

    February 15, 2017 at 9:56 pm
    • RCA Victor

      GS,

      That makes me believe that Festing’s forced resignation was not about Festing at all, but about discrediting Cardinal Burke. Now that Burke is allegedly out of the way, Festing can be put back, puppet strings attached.

      February 15, 2017 at 11:45 pm
    • St Miguel

      Hope Festing tells Bergoglio to shove the job where the sun don’t shine !

      February 20, 2017 at 2:58 pm
  • wendy walker February 16, 2017 at 10:13 am
    • WurdeSmythe

      So then: a report is voted down by a majority, but no member of the majority is interviewed during the news segment – only members of the losing side, who are not reticent in their complaints about the injustice of it all.

      This performance would have played well in the old Soviet Department for Agitation and Propaganda (later, the Ideological Department).

      February 16, 2017 at 12:50 pm
      • Elizabeth

        So now we see doctrine being determined by vote in the C of E. The bishops who were in favour of traditional marriage teaching as be tween a man and a woman should resign on mass rather than go and have another look at the question. But I bet they won’t!

        February 16, 2017 at 1:21 pm
  • wendy walker

    A really beautifully written comment WURDE SMYTHE …repro death ex Priest thank you

    February 16, 2017 at 10:15 am
  • Therese

    In a ‘secret’ complaint to the House of Lords, Conservative MP Margot James has sought to get VfJUK banned from Parliament. Read why and how below.

    If you agree this is an assault on British democracy, write to your MP today, pointing out this is a fundamental attack on the core British values of freedom of belief, and of speech. Copy in Prime Minister Theresa May; John Bercow MP, Speaker of the House of Commons; and Lord Fowler, Speaker of the House of Lords.

    ***************************************

    It is often said these days that we live in a ‘post-truth’ world, but perhaps, more frighteningly, the reality is that we live in a world where the truth is increasingly being either distorted or actively suppressed. Nowhere is this more obvious than in the unremitting campaign to compel acceptance of recently rebranded ‘British values’, because somewhere along the line ‘tolerance’ of those who hold different values has been dumped. Indeed, we are now dangerously close to active, state sanctioned oppression of anyone who dares express dissent.

    To put it bluntly, no one is allowed to express reservations regarding the new morality. Rather, under the cloak of equality and diversity, anything that puts forward a counter narrative – whether based on religion or medically and scientifically validated concern for health – is branded hate speak and bigotry, and increasingly criminalized. Such were the tactics of Communism and Nazi Germany, and indeed of any totalitarian state, when faced with opinions or actions that questioned the new regime.

    Now, in the ideological battle raging in this land, it would seem that Voice for Justice UK has become a target.

    Following a recent Freedom of Information request to Parliament, it has come to light that, ahead of a meeting in the House of Lords in November last year, the Conservative MP for Stourbridge, Margot James, sent a ‘secret’ complaint to Lord Fowler, the Speaker of the House of Lords, asking for myself, Lynda Rose, and the organization I represent, to be banned from Parliament on the grounds that she found my views offensive. She gave the opinion that she thought many of her constituents would also find my views offensive. In a separate email between Parliamentary officials, it was further said that in a phone call to the Lord Speaker’s office her assistant had said we were homophobic.

    What had we done to provoke this? Well, first (and, it has to be said, rather unexpectedly) she accused me of providing therapy to those unhappy with their sexual orientation – untrue, as it happens, as I am not in any way, shape or form a therapist, though I have always defended the right of people unhappy with their sexual orientation to seek counselling, and see nothing wrong with that. Second, she said she thought I might, in the course of a talk I was scheduled to give, express unacceptable “views on same sex relationships”. Third, though unexpressed, it would appear she had taken exception to VfJUK’s recently published book examining the ideological reframing of education, What are they teaching the children?.

    Now, let us be entirely clear here. I am an Anglican priest, and the views to which Ms James has apparently taken exception are simply an affirmation of Christian belief, as set down in the Bible, that all sexual relations outside marriage are prohibited, and that marriage is between one man and one woman for life. But for Ms James, the first openly lesbian woman to become a Conservative MP, Christian belief, where it conflicts with the new Weltanschauung, should apparently not be allowed. Worse, Ms James appears to think that Christians who believe the Bible should be silenced and excluded from society. Equally, Government produced data demonstrating adverse health and social outcomes as result of new polices should apparently be suppressed.

    Is this really how democracy operates in Britain today? We would respectfully remind Ms James that The Church of England is still the established Church of this nation. Which means that the UK is officially … Christian. Of course there are different views, beliefs, and opinions within our myriad population, but that is all to the good, and is what democracy is all about. The right to hold and freely express different beliefs, always providing they do not incite violence or civil affray, must be both protected and maintained. For Ms James to seek to silence mainstream and traditional Christian belief by making covert allegations smacks of totalitarianism. It suggests, in fact, the wilful and deliberate oppression of any and all who may disagree with her.

    In this case The Speaker of the House of Lords rightly refused to ban me, though nevertheless the meeting had to be moved. It remains of concern, however, that Ms James felt free to make accusations to which I had no right of reply – being entirely ignorant they had been made – and which, if upheld, would have resulted in VfJUK’s formal exclusion from Parliament. As it happened, VfJUK only became aware something of this nature had taken place because alerted to an unspecified, but highly serious, complaint. We were, however, given no details, and it was for this reason that we made the Freedom of Information request.

    We were rightly horrified at what was revealed. At every level Margot James’ attempted intervention was wrong. First, as a Member of the Lower House, she should not have sought to interfere with the conduct of affairs in the House of Lords. Second, if she had concerns, the basic principles of natural justice should surely have required she make those concerns known first to the subject of her complaint, in order to discuss the matter. As it is, the attempt to have someone banned on the basis of undisclosed allegations, which by definition they cannot answer, smacks of kangaroo justice. Accusations of this nature are of course potentially defamatory, and although Ms James may be relying for protection on Parliamentary privilege conferred by her position, such behaviour, if unchecked, can only damage the health of our society.

    In short, Margot James’ covert attack and attempt to have a member of the clergy banned because she herself appears to take issue with the Bible, demonstrates nothing so much as an unacceptable and worrying opposition to Christianity. No Member of Parliament should be allowed to abuse his or her position to attack individual citizens or their beliefs in this way.

    The point must also be made that Members of Parliament are not elected to promote their own ideas, but to represent the views of their constituents. Ms James expressed the conviction that many of her constituents would share her opinion and join with her in calling for VfJUK’s exclusion. But what of those of her constituents who do not share her views? Are we to assume that Christians in Stourbridge form such a minority as to justify being completely ignored, or is Ms James, as MP, neither prepared nor willing to represent those whose views differ from her own?

    Such a position is scandalous, but appears symptomatic of clear and growing anti-Christian hatred in this country. It has got to stop.

    Margot James has abused her position by making unfounded and unjustified clandestine attacks on a member of the public, who was given no chance to respond. She needs to realize that she belongs not to a private members’ club that exists for the sole benefit of its associates, but to the Mother of Parliaments, charged with defending and protecting the best interests of all UK citizens.

    If you share our concern, please write to your MP today, asking them to condemn such behaviour. Make the point that, as an elected representative, the job of an MP is to represent fairly and objectively the views and interests of his or her constituents, and that Ms James’ behaviour not only breeches that requirement, but is a fundamental attack on the core British values of freedom of belief, and of speech. Make the point that this is an attack on democracy itself and, as such, is to be deplored.

    Please send a copy of your email to the Prime Minister, Mrs Theresa May (mayt@parliament.uk); to John Bercow, Speaker of the House of Commons (speakersoffice@parliament.uk); and to the Lord Speaker, Lord Fowler (lordspeaker@parliament.uk).

    February 16, 2017 at 6:39 pm
    • St Miguel

      Whatever happened to the word “TRANSPARENCY” overused in the past and now inconvenient today.

      February 20, 2017 at 3:10 pm
  • wendy walker February 17, 2017 at 11:36 am
    • St Miguel

      Tied in with UN Sustainable Development Goals/Global Warming and not a cheep from El Vaticano and why not one may wonder?….And good old George Soros in the background and the Gates duo all writing the scripts.Look at Malteser International and what happened to Cardinal Burke and the Grand Master Fra Festing…..Pope Francis cares not a jot.

      February 19, 2017 at 3:49 pm
  • westminsterfly

    Novena in Honor of the Most Holy Face of Jesus 19th – 27th February 2017

    Said on the nine days preceding Shrove Tuesday (start on Sexagesima Sunday)

    https://gloria.tv/article/U9jUGhyFs9nE2zsBwnR82HbEw

    February 17, 2017 at 11:53 am
    • editor

      WF,

      Thank you for that. I’ve emailed the link to someone I know has a major worry at the moment, so I think it is well timed.

      February 17, 2017 at 9:11 pm
  • wendy walker February 17, 2017 at 1:31 pm
  • Therese

    Thanks to those who prayed for my friend’s husband. He died today at 1.40pm. Please pray for the repose of his soul.

    February 17, 2017 at 8:20 pm
    • editor

      Therese,

      Condolences on the death of your friend’s husband. May he rest in peace.

      February 17, 2017 at 9:11 pm
  • wendy walker

    Someone alerted me to this article ….for anyone wishing to read more just type in Tony Blair and cottaging there appears to be lots to read !!!!!!!!

    http://ukchildabuseinquiry.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/the-alleged-cottaging-conviction-of.html

    February 19, 2017 at 10:31 am
  • wendy walker February 20, 2017 at 9:05 am
  • St Miguel

    Wendy, where are the feminists now…the mantra being “it is OUR body”…when Ehrlich supports FORCED ABORTION…..can you imagine the China Syndrome here, where a woman is arrested and forced in to aborting her child, coz PSYCHOPATHS like this character want to stop polluting the planet with human beings.If feminists really believe in sexism and it’s OUR body stuff, why are they NOT jumping up and down about the possibility of such a discussion opening up….what could be more an attack on any woman than forced abortion or sterilisation and ALSO can you imagine men being carted off for forced vasectomies…..I cannot believe we are even discussing such a subject and yet the number one man behind this is being fawned upon by the Vatican and MUST have the notional imprimatur of Bergoglio otherwise he would not be getting on a stage.

    February 20, 2017 at 9:31 am
    • wendy walker

      thank you St Miguel for a really brilliant reply …As we know theses feministas ..do not care for pre born “”Wimmin” in the womb its just their virulent ,evil and heinous outlook on life and this pathological pure jealous hatred of Men …….they are so mixed up both intellectually and physically .
      yet most would kill you if you trod on an insect ..spawned out of total far left loony Unis ..these she demons just want conflict ,hate and trouble

      February 20, 2017 at 2:00 pm
      • St Miguel

        Wendy I have helped out in Pro Life for past 30 years and I am astounded at where we are now. Novus Ordo priests won’t touch this with a ten foot barge pole and there is an increasing, by the year, number of women, now middle aged and older who admit to at least one abortion. Viz programme Loose Woman, usual Janet Street-Porter stuff and all, as if it is a Rite of Passage and deserving a medal.Try telling a very large percentage of the VOTING population NOW what they have actually done and they will go berserk (they are in denial one might say). However talking to females in the great extended family, who ALL went to so called Traditional Catholic schools they are all and I mean ALL abortion friendly! Cut to the chase and we spend a fortune rescuing beached whales, dolphins, no budget restrictions there..and I am speaking as an animal lover.I am starting to notice that the old saying of females of the species are more deadly than than male seems to have some truth in it. Woman who can plan and premeditate the abortion of their own child will cry over a Disney cartoon when Bambi dies is de rigeur these days.

        February 20, 2017 at 2:55 pm
  • gabriel syme

    In the last few days, President Trump held a massive supporters rally in Florida, USA. It was well attended, with very long queues to gain entry to the venue.

    First Lady Melania Trump – who, unlike her husband, is Catholic – kicked off her introductory speech with The Lords prayer.

    Interesting / refreshing!

    https://youtu.be/9DZ2vezElF4

    (I haven’t seen the video myself yet – i’m at work – but will watch it later).

    February 20, 2017 at 1:51 pm
    • Margaret Mary

      Gabriel Syme,

      I did see that on TV on Saturday, and was amazed when she said “Let us pray” and then began “Our Father…” It was amazing, right enough, but disappointing when she added the Protestant add-on “For thine is the Kingdom” etc.

      President Trump said he hadn’t known she was going to begin with the Lord’s Prayer but that it was “beautiful”. It certainly was most unusual and I don’t think it got any mention in any of the later news bulletins, not that I heard anyway.

      February 20, 2017 at 7:57 pm
      • gabriel syme

        Margaret Mary,

        I still haven’t managed to watch the video, but:

        disappointing when she added the Protestant add-on “For thine is the Kingdom” etc.

        I agree entirely; sadly, I think, for most Novus Ordo Catholics that “add on” is the norm. I recall from my own Novus Ordo days that this would be tacked onto the end of the Lord’s prayer.

        Not quite (I think) in the same way the Protestants say it, but still close enough to be yet another obvious effort at pandering – which is, after all, the whole rationale of the Novus Ordo mass.

        February 21, 2017 at 7:28 am
    • St Martin

      I never heard that Donald Trump got an annulment for either of his previous two marriages, and I wonder why he and Melania – a model Catholic (?) – got married in an Episcopal Church. Did Donald have the foresight to anticipate the most liberal interpretations of Amoria Laetitia?

      February 21, 2017 at 12:18 pm
      • editor

        Who said Melania was a “model Catholic” – given her looks, she might well have been a model but I can’t see that any true Catholic would have raced to say the Protestant addition to the Our Father (so much for taking Scripture literally! Only when it suits, apparently!)

        St Martin, you are displaying the same troll like features of past, er. trolls, so be aware that I’m keeping a close eye. If you come on here only to attack, you’ll find yourself blacklisted. Life’s too short to be responding to comments designed only to trouble-make. I cannot see anywhere on any of the threads on this blog, where any of us has defended Trump’s morals or his alleged marriages, so stop trying to create disputes.

        You are ONLY welcome here if you seek to contribute to the restoration of traditional Catholic religion, using debate and discussion to educate yourself as we all do, and to perhaps, hopefully, help those reading this blog for the purpose of advancing their knowledge of the Faith in this time of crisis. If you are only here to annoy us, then GL (street version of “get lost”).

        Nothing personal, you understand…

        February 21, 2017 at 1:30 pm
  • wendy walker

    Adam Marley What you can’t see are the pair of women standing close to the driveway and entrance who kept rushing over to women with pictures of some prick nailed to a cross and rosary beads in their hands to harass women as they attempted to enter.

    You also can’t hear their ridiculous chanting.
    Like · Reply · 3 · 18 February at 22:51

    Dear All
    I am writing this plea to you it concerns a vile group of anti lifers the creator being an Anna Veglio -White an avid supporter of The Labour party and even the local Mp Rupa Huq has been photographed with them in solidarity.
    This pernicious group which calls itself Sister Supporter {Ealing } London ..have taken it upon themselves to intimidate and severely harass very peaceful Prayerful Pro Life people who gather outside this Abortion Mill M Stopes to offer Prayer and last minute hope to people entering the mill..the |Babies Calvary this mill has a plaque outside of St Michael the Archangel and satan as it was formerly a Convent
    You can see[above ] from a comment taken fro mS S Facebook page the sort of “”people “”they are up against this Adam Marley actually took a picture of his dog urinating on Pro Life signs and thought it marvellous …..and refers to JESUS as a prick nailed to a Cross
    Their lies are appalling with gross over exaggerations
    They will be there next time 4.3.2017 to .harass ,lie make noise and antagonize the Prayerful people Praying
    can I ask you please to Pray specifically for the Pro Lifers …….perhaps with powerful Novenas etc calling on Saints and Angles to Guard these lovely people
    It is very upsetting to see this vile abuse
    Thank you and Bless you
    Wendy

    February 20, 2017 at 2:32 pm
    • St Miguel

      One word “Satanic”.

      February 20, 2017 at 3:07 pm
  • WurdeSmythe

    The conventional understanding is that St. Paul refers to himself. Out of an abundance of humility he does not say, “I had a vision to beautiful for words” because it would sound boastful; thus, the apostle to the gentiles refers to him self in the third person. St. Paul is presenting credentials to refute his critics.

    February 20, 2017 at 2:50 pm
  • St Miguel

    Reminds me of an advert or waffles which says they are “waffely versatile!

    February 20, 2017 at 3:05 pm

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