Cardinal Burke: Scottish Visit Puzzling…editor
On the 2nd of September, Cardinal Burke will offer a Pontifical High Mass at Immaculate Heart of Mary, Balornock. Una Voce Scotland are holding a reception to which guests are invited at the discretion of the chairman. Source
I find I’m being asked over and over again, why it is that Cardinal Burke (or any other Cardinal) would come to Glasgow to offer a Pontifical High Mass in a parish church, instead of in the city’s cathedral.
We know three things: we know – judging by the obvious signs – that the Archbishop of Glasgow hates the Traditional Latin Mass, so that may be the reason, because the second thing we know is that Archbishop Tartaglia and Cardinal Burke are reputedly very good friends. The third possibility is that, since the Archbishop of Glasgow is not opposed to the Apostolic Exhortation, Amoris Laetitia (AL), while Cardinal Burke has very publicly called on the Pope to correct the errors in it, Archbishop Tartaglia may have decided to keep his distance from Cardinal Burke. It’s what’s widely known as being a “fair weather friend”. Archbishop Tartaglia, as we know, not only accepted AL, but quickly established sessions to teach his priests and teachers how to implement it – that is, he prepared them to teach the New Morality for divorced and “remarried”, cohabitees etc. who are now free to “discern” for themselves whether or not they may approach for Holy Communion. Cardinal Burke, on the other hand, has spoken out to correct this scandal in interviews published in Catholic publications, on YouTube, and by writing directly to the Pope. Friends? I’d say Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un have more in common.
The key questions then are as follows:
(1) does the Archbishop’s apparent hatred of the old Mass trump his friendship with Cardinal Burke
(2) does the Archbishop place his “relationship” with Pope Francis above his friendship with Cardinal Burke – see photo, right – not to mention above the truths of the Faith
(3) has Una Voce invited the Cardinal without going through the proper channels to seek the Archbishop’s permission/approval? Surely, the Cardinal would not accept such an invitation?
What’s going on here?
Note: there is no mention of the Pontifical High Mass on the website of the Archdiocese of Glasgow but there is an advertisement for a Charismatic Renewal Conference, 2-3 September on the homepage – click here to read. Incredible. A bunch of charismatics more important than a Cardinal offering a Pontifical High Mass.
What was that the Archbishop of Glasgow was saying about “wishy-washy Catholics“?
That’s disgraceful to advertise a charismatic meeting and not even mention the Pontifical High Mass. If this doesn’t open Cardinal Burke’s eyes to what his “friend” is really like, then nothing will.
Cardinal Burke may back out of the invitation if he finds out that Archbishop Tartaglia is pro-AL. He did that before, a few years ago, accepted an invite from Pro Ecclesia et Pontifice to speak in Westminster Central Hall and then backed out when he was “got at” probably during a Conference on Canon Law which he was attending in England just before the Pro Ecclesia meeting. It was very much at the last minute and a total disgrace since the tickets had been sold and the group Pro Ecclesia had told him clearly that they were outspoken about the bishops not providing good schemes of work in the Catholic schools, so there was no excuse.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he does the same thing here when he finds out that the archbishop is supporting the Pope’s “new morality” in AL. If he doesn’t he will go down in my estimation, to be frank.
I went to see what I could find out about the cardinal pulling out of the Pro Ecclesia conference and I found this Catholic Herald report
I can’t see him pulling out of this Mass though because Una Voce never criticise the bishops. They are yes-men who go along to get along. I’ve no time for them.
That is a good point about Una Voce – they go along to get along with the bishops.
I’m wondering if Cardinal Burke will be outspoken during Mass or will someone else preach to make sure he doesn’t say anything negative about the Pope or Amoris Laetitia or even just the state of the Church. I’m guessing that Una Voce won’t risk that, but probably get someone else to preach.
It wasn’t the archbishop that invited him ,it was a parishioner,and he came and said a most beautiful and holy TRADITIONAL Latin high mass.
My issue is this. A lot of those in the congregation (I recognise many faces) are Novus Ordo Catholics. They were there for the spectacle. I can’t stand this celebrity style Mass.
The most important thing isn’t really the Mass – it’s the Faith. I’ve had enough of these so-called Traditional Catholics who don’t want to rock the boat. I’ve had enough of those who love the music and the vestments. If you like fine music and costumes then go to the opera!
Our religion is being attacked and undermined, day in and day out by those in cope and mitre and the vast majority say nothing. Not good enough.
As for Cardinal Burke, he has spoken out again Amoris Laetitiae. That hardly makes him a champion of the Catholic Faith. He is boring me now with his constant threats to correct the pope. Just get on with it! Grab a microphone at every opportunity and correct the errors of the pope. I hope he has some stamina because there are so many!
I’m sorry to say I agree with Petrus on this. The event was sponsored by Una Voce whose President was determining on the day who would and would not have access to the Cardinal after Mass. I think this is quite disgraceful and utterly non-Traditional. The parish priest should have been in charge, not some lay person acting like a Kirk Elder. We’re not Protestants, we’re Catholic and that means we do not consider ourselves superior to our neighbour, much less more important in authority than the priest.
As for the Mass itself. Of course a beautiful Traditional High Mass is to be welcomed wherever it may be celebrated, but let us not fool ourselves that Cardinal Burke’s Mass was anything other than a one off that will doubtless not spur a single soul to leave the Novus Ordo Mass in favour for the Mass of the ages. A lot of people like spectacle, including singing. In fact if I’m not greatly mistaken the President of Una Voce who organised this event was/is a regular singer at the Novus Ordo in Glasgow. Now tell me, where is honesty and true charity in this?
One final Point. It is high time Cardinal Burke, good man that he is, and his like minded confreres in the hierarchy took a stand once and for all against the confusion being put around by Pope Francis. Diplomatic language is all good and well on certain occasions but there comes a time when one must stand up for the truth come what may. Time we had some real Christ-like leadership from our shepherds. We need action to get the Faith and the Church back on track, not diplomacy. Sad to say it’s the same as in Our Lord’s day; of all the Apostles only St. John was found faithful and true at the foot of the Cross on Calvary. He was the only one who didn’t care what consequences he would face for standing by His Master.
The Church has seen this repeated throughout history. Whenever a major heresy threatens the Faith, only a small handfull of those consecrated to Our Lord stand up for the truth.
Here are photos from the Una Voce Facebook page. The Church was packed. I know that the hall is not that big but they had a marquee / tent out in the garden, as well.
Ed: would bloggers avoid trying to post the photos direct; to access them visit the link to the Una Voce website above, and then on the right hand side you will see the small “Facebook” symbol. Click on that to reach the photos.
I was so busy trying to fix the photos you had posted, that I overlooked the rest of your comment. I hope you don’t mind, but I deleted a large part of it.
For this reason: Athanasius has made excellent points about the management of the reception at the Immaculate Heart of Mary and really, his comment says all that needs to be said on the matter. I would ask bloggers, therefore, not to discuss any further the business of who did and did not attend the reception/chairman’s discretion. I think it will only lead to personal remarks and unpleasantness so let it go, please and thank you.
The photos are very clear and it was quite something to see the church packed.
I had an email from one elderly reader (a novus ordo attendee) who obviously hadn’t understood that a Pontifical High Mass would be different – and much longer – than the Mass she attended in her youth. I think there may have been a few people there who will take away the false idea that this is the typical Sunday Traditional Latin Mass – hopefully someone will enlighten them and they will find their way to a Low Mass asap!
It wasn’t a parishioner. Una Voce Scotland invited him.
How could Cardinal Burke celebrate a Pontifical Mass at St Andrew’s cathedral? Signor Tartaglia’s post-wreckovation sanctuary looks like a Masonic temple. (Or so they tell me …!)
I was just thinking the same thing though in fairness,I believe it was his predecessor who was responsible for the devastation.
yes indeed, there IS no high altar as far as I know. When last I visited, it looked more like a hall than a church!
Sarto2010 and Crofterlady,
There’s no excuse – Archbishop Tartaglia could soon have restored the high altar if he wanted to. I don’t think there is any excuse.
I kid you not when I say that the decor of the Cathedral is now very reminiscent of a Mosque. And you’re right the Sanctuary is no more, not in Traditional Catholic understanding of a Sanctuary at least.
Could it be just a coincidence, or is it possible that the Cardinal’s visit may be connected in some way, with the consecration of Scotland to The Immaculate Heart of Mary?
I doubt it. If the cardinal was going to attend the consecration, they would surely have mentioned THAT on the archdiocesan website. Not sure, of course, but I doubt it.
Here’s an interesting commentary on the forthcoming Consecration of Scotland.
I can’t get that link to open at all, so it is possible for your to copy and paste the text, that would be helpful.
I even went onto the Paisley website to see if I could locate the pdf, but no luck.
Instead, however, I found this page with an extract from an article about Fatima, and I think you will be pleasantly surprised when you click on the link to read the rest of the article. My reaction? WOW!
I’ve tried to copy and paste but can’t.
He’s flying back to Rome tomorrow,he only came for the mass at The Immaculate Heart today.
Your head must be spinning, Go and just enjoy! See you there?
Whose head must be spinning?
As for “go… enjoy” … If you are referring to the Pontifical High Mass, not sure about anyone else, but I certainly WON’T be there.
I for the life of me Do Not Say That This Is A Coincidence. For an American Cardinal coming to Glasgow Scotland and not be celebrating Mass in The Cathedral is a Disgrace. Not only that but it’s obvious this Man of God is being given the Cold Shoulder. I personally didn’t know that A.Tartaglia was a hater of Traditional Mass ( are these people Catholics) or a Supporter of Communion for the Divorced ( is this before or after or don’t go to Confession) . Ed I really don’t know much about A . T . Why do you say he is a Hater of Traditional Mass am not saying your wrong but HATE is a very strong word and if that’s the way He feels about Mass there is NOWAY that this Guy is a Man of God .
I said “apparent hatred” – that’s how it appears when studying the objective data.
Even as Bishop of Paisley,Tartaglia displayed hostility towards the old Mass when, on publication of Summorum Pontificum, he responded negatively to those who wrote to him to request provision of the Traditional Latin Mass.
In the case of one of our younger readers who wrote with a request, he queried – in his reply – whether this young man’s expressed desire for the old Mass was not merely an “affectation”. Nobody, you see, could actually attend the old rite and come to love it. Nope. That’s for the happy clappy, balloon, clown, you-name-it novus ordo performances.
There’s more, but that’s all I have time for right now. And in my book, that’s evidence aplenty of “apparent hatred”. Yes? No?
Technically Archbishop Tartaglia doesn’t have to be asked for permission/approval. Cardinal’s have permission/faculties to celebrate Mass anywhere without recourse to the local ordinary.
However as they are friends I’m sure Cardinal Burke will have informed Archbishop Tartaglia that he will be in town!
“Technically” – for about 50 years – no priest needed permission to offer the old rite Mass but the hierarchy insisted that they do so – and you can smile sweetly and say the bishops always gave permission if you wish, but that is simply not the case. Everything was done, including blatant lying to the faithful, to suppress the old Mass.
“Technically” required or not, it would only be good manners to inform the Archbishop of Glasgow if another prelate were to come into his archdiocese to offer a Mass.
One way or another, taking your thesis that Cardinal Burke, as a friend, would have informed the Archbishop of his visit, it is nothing short of a disgrace that the Mass is not advertised on the archdiocesan website. And being a Pontifical High Mass, would you not expect the archbishop to attend? Ambling along to a charismatic meeting is a fair enough excuse not to, thinkest thou? What amazes me is that you folk actually enjoy this new religion.
Aw, I just don’t get the whole thing. Baloney! How can the Archbishop resurrect the High Altar? And that’s for starters. Why on earth would a Cardinal not be able to celebrate Mass how and where he wishes? It’s all madness, I say!
They sure got rid of the high altars fast enough, so what goes around comes around. Some day, they WILL resurrect the high altars.
In the meantime, the traditional Latin Masses in the church of the Immaculate Heart of Mary are offered on the same altar as the novus ordo Masses – a fact which I’ve heard causes dismay to at least one younger-generation Catholic who has attended.
So, if it can be done in the Immaculate Heart, Balornock, why not in St Andrew’s Cathedral in Glasgow city centre – unless the Archbishop really DOES “hate” (with no “apparently” about it) the ancient Mass.
Courtesy, I would have thought, would encourage the organisers to contact the Archbishop when they have a visiting prelate coming to offer the Traditional Latin Mass. Just a quaint old fashioned view from a not-so-quaint but very old-fashioned gal 😀
Well I don’t know how a traditional Mass could possibly be offered on the “butcher’s block” which is at the cathedral! Perhaps the altar at the Immaculate Heart is a bit more substantial?
All the churches in Glasgow have a “butcher’s block” – the Latin Mass is offered on them, but it never looks right, IMHO. The tabernacle is always back from the “altar” – it just doesn’t look right at all, IMHO.
Perhaps one of our Glasgow bloggers could call or email His Excellency to ask why Cardinal Burke’s Pontifical High Mass has been relegated to a mere parish? That is, in case anyone is in the mood for an exercise in futility….
Email the Archbishop? Don’t you realise that I’m a very busy gal?
Is that an Etch-a-Sketch under your right hand?
No, that’s me writing a memo to myself to remind me to answer your latest blog post and then to blacklist you for your cheek!
Sending you an online hug for the great pictures. I love them!
Thank you, Margaret!
Here it is. God Bless Bishop Keenan. May Our Lady reward him.
What is the Consecration of Scotland to the Immaculate Heart of Mary?
By our Act of Consecration of Scotland we entrust our country to the
Immaculate Heart of Mary. We ask Mary to take it from our fragile hands
into Her own, to defend it and guard it as Her own property and to make
Jesus reign, conquer and rule in it. Outside of Her Son there is no
Jesus Entrusted the Church to Mary
In consecrating ourselves to Our Blessed Mother we are remembering how
Mary’s Son, Jesus, consecrated us to Her from the Cross when He said,
Behold Your Mother. It was only after He had done this that He knew all was
now complete and, commending His Spirit into His Father’s hands, breathed
Hours before, at the Last Supper, Jesus already consecrated Himself to His
Heavenly Father for our sake when He prayed: For their sakes I consecrate
Myself so that they also may be consecrated in the truth.
In order to bring about our consecration He entrusted us to His Mother’s
Immaculate Heart. Jesus knew that His Mother always served His Father’s
will. From the beginning She called Herself the handmaid of the Lord and,
from the beginning, Jesus watched Her lead all the Father’s children to Her
Son. Her last spoken words in the Gospel, to the stewards who entrusted
themselves to Her at the Wedding Feast of Cana, are: Do whatever He tells
So we consecrate ourselves to Mary in order to be consecrated with Her Son
to the Father in the truth.
Jesus makes the Bishops of Scotland the Spiritual Voice of our Nation
As Jesus returned to the Father He sent His apostles into every nation and
gave them His own authority. He said to them: All authority in heaven and
on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations.
In doing so Jesus promised them that whatever you bind on earth will be
considered bound in Heaven.
The Scottish bishops are the successors of the Apostles in Scotland.
Gathering as a College of Bishops in union with Peter, and in whom resides
the spiritual authority over Scotland, they invoke this authority for our
country to make recourse and Intercession to our Mother Mary’s Heart, sure
that She will not fail to come to our aid but will entrust us to the care of Her
Consecration Means the Total Gift of Ourselves to Mary.
In making our Consecration we make a total gift of ourselves and our whole
lives for all eternity to our Blessed Mother with childlike simplicity and
confidence. We promise to offer Her all our prayers and the whole of our
spiritual lives in great confidence that She, Our Mother, knows our needs
best of all and, as our Most Powerful Intercessor, Her prayers are always
heard. In consecrating ourselves to Mary we find ourselves in the safest
path to union with Her Son, Our Lord, Jesus Christ. He is our goal but She
is our surest guide to Him. It was only through the Virgin Mother that God
came into our world and it is through Her that our world best goes to God.
We know that to consecrate ourselves to Mary is to commit ourselves afresh
as disciples, spent for the salvation of the world and completing in our own
lives the sufferings of Christ as His Body, the Church.
Consecration Follows the Pattern of Fatima
At Fatima Our Lady asked that Catholics turn our hearts to acts of
reparation for our sins and the sins of the world, to the recitation of the
Rosary for the conversion of our countries, and in devotion to Her
Immaculate Heart on the First Saturdays of the month by attending Holy
Mass and Confession and praying for the Church.
Inserting our consecration into the grace of Fatima we pray that the power
of this consecration will last for all time, cover every person in our land, and
overcome every darkness and evil, and we pray to live out our consecration
ever more faithfully from this day on by imitating Our Blessed Mother’s
Consecration Saves our World from the Devil and His Wiles.
The hope of salvation is never far away when a nation’s heart is turned in
devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary. The powers of evil are all too evident
and menacing in our modern world today. Like the Apostles on Lake
Galilee, as the storm threatened to capsize their boat, we feel ourselves
crying to Jesus: Save us Lord. We perish! We sense ourselves living through
a crucial moment in our world’s history and destiny where the battle
between good and evil seems stronger than ever. We live in times plagued
by the evils of war, terror and famine, of sins against life at its beginning
and end, of hatred and the demeaning of human dignity, of widespread
impurity, of national and international injustices, of the trampling of God’s
commandments where our people seem even to have lost the sense of sin
itself, of attempts to stifle the truth of God in human hearts, of sins against
the Holy Spirit.
From Fatima we have heard Mary’s dreadful warning that our world must
stop sinning and put an end to the enormity of our rebellion against God.
She admonishes us that God’s justice must otherwise come to pass unless
we turn back to Him in this space of history which His patience has yet
allowed. We know these attacks are so relentless and severe that many of
our brothers and sisters, God’s children, are being lost and that now we
need good souls to give themselves up wholeheartedly to prayer, penance
and reparation for their conversion. Our modern world sorely needs to feel
the infinite power of God’s merciful love.
At their source we know that such errors and darkness are sewn by the
Devil Himself and that the Christian battle is against the supernatural
forces that rejected from the Beginning the Son of God, Our Lord Jesus
Christ, and that they will menace our world to the end.
Consecration will assure Scotland the Freedom from Darkness and the
Final Victory in Christ which it so Needs and Seeks
Christianity came to our Scottish shores with Saint Ninian and was built up
by Saint Columba and the missionary founders of many of our towns and
cities. Saint Margaret reigned as a Christian Queen who served the Catholic
Faith, established true worship and devotion, set us on a course of wisdom
and education and tended to the sick and the poor. Saint John Ogilvie gave
His life for the conversion of Scotland to the one faith under Peter, and gave
us a love for Holy Mass, the Sacraments and devotion to Our Blessed
Mother. Scotland has shone brightly with the light of Christ and we ask the
Blessed Virgin to strengthen and increase the Christian faith among the
people of Scotland, knowing that the happy destiny of our land depends not
finally on our politicians but on our consecration to Her.
Yet now we must come to Mary and ask Her to drive from our land the
darnel that the Devil has sewn among the good wheat of our Christian faith,
to cast down the schemes of the enemies of religion, that Christian moral life
may be restored, that freedom of conscience be respected, and that Scottish
Catholics may fearlessly resist error by witnessing courageously to the
Faith. Only thus will the Gospel again be preached in our nation and true
justice, harmony and peace be spread. We pray that the saving Kingdom
of God – a Kingdom of truth and life, of holiness and grace, of justice, love
and peace – may triumph in our land and that the intercession of the
Blessed Mother Mary will assist us and obtain from Her Son, Jesus, light to
our minds, and strength to our souls to overcome, by God’s grace, all that is
sullied and wrong. And, as we do, we ask Her to look kindly on those in our
country who oppose the Christian vision so that their minds and hearts may
be converted from sin and turn to the Light of Salvation.
Consecration Saves our Church from its Sins
We come to make our consecration to Mary pained at all the unholiness in
our Church and at how hard our hearts have been to Her Son’s call to
repentance, penance, prayer and faith and how deaf our ears have been to
His command to go into the vineyard of the world and gather in the harvest.
We ask Our Lady, the handmaid of the Lord, to teach us how to hear afresh
the voice of Her Son and answer His call. We pray that our consecration to
Her will reinvigorate and unite our Church for its mission to herald Her
Consecration Ensures the Triumph of Mary’s Immaculate Heart and the
Lasting Victory of Good over Evil
Jesus’ Word assures us that the mystery our world’s Redemption is greater
than the weight of its sin. He alone has power to make reparation on behalf
our sins and to obtain our pardon and He has already paid the price in full
of every sin that will ever be committed to the end of time. So we are certain
that our Heavenly Father, Who loved the world so much as to send His Son
for our Salvation and Whose Son consecrated Himself so that we would be
consecrated in the Truth, will hear and answer our prayers.
From the Beginning, from the Fall and the sin of Adam and Eve, and the
sins of the Human Race since, our Heavenly Father promised that, standing
with His Son, there would be a Woman to crush the head of the Serpent that
threatens us and Who would prove Herself the Mother of all the Living.
Especially when the powers of this world and of Hell seek to cast the
Christian vision from view, especially when our times fall under the shadow
of sadness and pain, devotion to Our Blessed Mother ensures the gates of
Hell will never prevail. No-one who sought Mary’s protection was left
unaided and that is why it is with proven faith that we entrust ourselves to
Her as our Mother who knows Her children’s sufferings and hopes, Who has
a mother’s awareness of our personal, ecclesial and national struggle
between good and evil, between the light and darkness which besets us, and
Who hears the cry of the people of Scotland who, moved by the Holy Spirit,
are turning to Her for forgiveness and, with it, a new beginning in life, peace
and hope. It is Her Son, the Risen Lord, Who stands before us saying: See I
make all things new! Amen!
Bishop John Keenan, Diocese of Paisley
Gerontius – thank you!
Two bloggers also emailed me the pdf which DID open, strangely enough, so I’ll read the piece later. Now, I can read with confidence knowing that I’m three times better informed than when the link was first posted!
Your kindness in copying it out for me, is greatly appreciated.
Another Church official from the U.S.A. to visit Scotland – only this time he’s headed for the Scottish Parliament…
Press Release from Scottish Catholic Media Office issued Friday 25 August 2017
Scottish Parliament to mark the centenary of the birth of Blessed Oscar Romero.
The Scottish Parliament will mark the centenary of the birth of Blessed Oscar Romero with a visit from the US Catholic Church’s top social justice official on Tuesday, 7 November.
Dr Jonathan Reyes, Executive Director of the Department of Justice, Peace and Human Development for the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, will deliver Holyrood’s Time for Reflection and an evening lecture entitled “Oscar Romero: A Saintly Path to Social Justice” to a select group of parliamentarians. Dr Reyes is visiting Scotland as a guest of Archbishop Leo Cushley of St Andrews & Edinburgh.
“Blessed Oscar Romero is the great saint of social justice and I’m delighted that Dr Reyes has accepted this invitation to come to Scotland in order to share the life, legacy and message of Blessed Oscar with those men and women whom we have elected to Holyrood to help build a more just society for all,” said Archbishop Cushley, 25 August.
Archbishop Oscar Romero of San Salvador was born on 15 August 1917. Ordained to the priesthood in 1942, he soon proved to be a popular cleric who responded with compassion and bravery to the plight of El Salvador’s poorest. This courageous witness ultimately resulted in his assassination on 24 March 1980 as he was celebrating Holy Mass. In 2015, Archbishop Romero was declared a martyr for the Catholic faith by Pope Francis and was, subsequently, beatified.
“I would hope Dr Reyes’ visit will introduce our Holyrood parliamentarians to some of the key ideas of Catholic Social Teaching given that Blessed Oscar Romero’s life heroically embodied these principles as a saintly riposte to both unbridled capitalism and state socialism, both of which undermine the dignity of the human person,” said Archbishop Cushley, who also serves as a Patron of the Archbishop Romero Trust.
Dr Jonathan Reyes has occupied his current post with the US Catholic Bishops since 2012. Prior to that he was Director of Social Ministry and President and CEO of Catholic Charities in the Archdiocese of Denver. There he oversaw an organisation serving 45,000 persons annually, including five homeless shelters, six child care centres and 22 affordable housing projects. Dr Reyes also founded Christ in the City, a national volunteer and formation programme for university students.
“We are very grateful that Dr Reyes has found time in his busy schedule to visit Scotland for what should be a memorable day at the Holyrood Parliament marking the centenary of Blessed Oscar Romero’s birth,” said Anthony Horan, Director of the Scottish Catholic Parliamentary Office.
The visit of Dr Reyes to the Scottish Parliament has cross-party backing and is sponsored by the SNP’s Roseanna Cunningham MSP, Scottish Labour’s Elaine Smith MSP, Donald Cameron MSP of the Scottish Conservatives and Mike Rumbles MSP of the Scottish Liberal Democrats. ENDS
Let’s see what “social justice” issues Dr Reyes identifies – and whether he wears a “rainbow” tie… this’ll be an interesting one…
I wouldn’t be surprised if Romero is portrayed as a sympathiser with LGBT rights. Julian Filochowski, whose homosexual partner is an ex Carmelite priest, has an article online about Romero. Here is an extract:
“In 2010, explicitly in Romero’s honour, the United Nations General Assembly, proclaimed March 24th to be marked every year worldwide as the ‘International Day for the Right to Truth Concerning Gross Human Rights Violations and the Dignity of the Victims’ ”
I can’t see him explaining Catholic teaching on homosexuality, put it that way, or he wouldn’t be allowed near the Scottish Parliament.
Here’s Cardinal Burke speaking with forked tongue – the consecration of Russia has been “validly accomplished” by Pope “Saint” John Paul II albeit implicitly, but needs to be done again explicitly. Er…mm…Well… Of course it needs to be done again – as Our Lady requested, and only then will it be a “valid” consecration. He fails to explain how the consecration could possibly have been accomplished when there has been the opposite of a period of peace in the world, but then modern churchmen never seem to worry about the details. And as we all know, the Devil is (literally, in this case) in the detail…
I hope someone who attends his Mass in Glasgow contacts me with the contents of his sermon/homily, if he is permitted to deliver one. I suspect A.N. Other may preach, then it will be down to what he says to this one or that one “privately” – not interested. He needs to go on the public record and stay on the public record and then follow through with his promised action of a public correction of Pope Francis. If only.
On one hand, I am pleased for the parish priest in question, that his own Church is being honoured by the Cardinal’s visit, but then it is odd that the Cardinal has not been granted use of the Cathedral for this event (or at least invited by the Archbishop to offer a separate mass there – not least given they are reputedly friends).
Archbishop Tartaglia should have leapt on this event, publicised it greatly and used it as a starting point for reinvigorating his Archdiocese, by asking parishes and schools to send representatives to experience their own heritage.
Why would you think it “odd” that Archbishop Tartaglia – who appears to hate the TLM – would not grant the use of his cathedral for the Cardinal’s visit to Glasgow to offer a Pontifical High Mass?
It would have been nothing short of astonishing-through-to-miraculous, if the Archbishop HAD permitted the ancient rite of Mass in his cathedral.
And since the Archbishop “leapt” on the young American layman to “reboot the Faith” charismatic-style in his archdiocese, what makes you think he would likewise “leap” on this visit and encourage parishes and schools to attend a Pontifical High Mass?
I’m always surprised when regular readers of Catholic Truth and especially our highly clued-in bloggers like yourself, expect what is truly Catholic behaviour from these modernist Scottish bishops.
There I go again, saying what I’m thinking. I really do need to book in for a course on Diplomacy and Public Relations 😀
Why would you think it “odd” that Archbishop Tartaglia…..would not grant the use of his cathedral
Well, in the 2,000 year life of the Church, that it undoubtedly an odd / unusual situation, that a visiting Cardinal is not welcomed into the very heart of a Diocese.
But, just as I said above, as the two men are reputedly friends, ++Tartaglia might have extended such a courtesy based on this and not his opinion of the TLM.
Right enough, as someone else pointed out, the Cathedral in its current state is pretty unsuitable for the traditional mass.
what makes you think he would likewise “leap” on this visit and encourage parishes and schools to attend a Pontifical High Mass?,/i>
I didn’t say I thought he would leap on it. I said he should have leapt on it.
I was saying what he should have done, not what I expected him to do.
I’m always surprised…..I really do need to book in for a course on Diplomacy and Public Relations
Perhaps a course on accurately reading posts would be of use too?
You might experience less surprise then, haha! 😉
I read your post accurately, worry not. To be clear, though, I’m not concerned with literal meaning – what surprises me is its tenor, the (admittedly charitable) expectation – despite example after example of the modernism of the Scottish bishops, including Tartaglia – that he would remotely consider having a traditional Latin Mass in his cathedral – let alone a Pontifical High Mass. I see your point about the alleged friendship between the two, but that is, as I say “alleged”. Who knows?
We all know what “should” be the case but in the current crisis, that’s never going to happen. That’s all I meant.
So, in answer to your question – no, I don’t need a course in reading accurately – although I could use a Course in Patience… and I don’t mean the card game! 😀
I have to say that after Cardinal Burke’s ridiculous comments about the Consecration of Russia, I think it would be an affront to Our Lady to attend this Mass on the First Saturday.
I do fully agree with your sentiments. Additionally, Saturday is the Feast of St Pius X so for me, I wish to make my First Saturdays in the SSPX chapel in Glasgow, nowhere else, certainly not on that Feast day.
A minor correction – Sunday is the Feast of St Pius X.
Oops! Gabriel Syme is right – I DO need to go on an accuracy course after all”
Not at all – last Sunday, Father said from the pulpit that Saturday was the feast day this year.
(My quip above about accuracy was a joke btw!)
My Calendar however identifies the feast as September 3rd (the Sunday).
The 13th Sunday after Pentecost – this sunday – is a 2nd class sunday. The feast day of Pius X used to be a 2nd class feast, but was changed to 3rd class in 1960.
So if I understand this correctly, the sunday mass outranks the feast and so the feast is displaced.
If a feast is displaced like this, what is the procedure for determining where it ends up? (If anywhere).
I ask because Saturday is another 3rd class feast while Monday is a Feria day.
If two competing masses have equal ranks, is a priest at liberty to choose which mass to offer?
(Of course SSPX priests would very naturally want to celebrate the feast of Saint Pius X).
This is very interesting. I went with the Mass Schedule on the SSPX website – which gives the Feast as Sunday!
Your beautiful charity puts me to shame!
I have to admit that I can’t hear the new priest too well – he admits that he is very soft-spoken and one of the wiseguys in the Edinburgh chapel said of his first sermon: “talk about Low Mass – nobody could hear him!” However, his subsequent sermons have been fine – I think we’re all getting used to his Birmingham accent and droll humour – and turning up the microphone helps!
I’ll be posting a thread to mark the Feast of Pope St Pius X, probably later tomorrow, so that’s something to which we may look forward … I hope!
I’ve talked to a few people who attended Cardinal Burke’s Mass in Balornock yesterday afternoon, and they all seem to think the Cardinal thinks the SSPX is schismatic. I went online to see if I could find a recent statement from him and got this from the SSPX website. I’m not sure how to judge it, because near the end it sounds like he is OK with the “direction of the Church”, apart from Amoris Laetitia, and so he sees the Society of St Pius X as a “problem”. .
I’d be very interested to hear what others think about this.
I don’t think Cardinal Burke is altogether at ease with the SSPX and what it stands for, although I do think he has come round to taking a softer line since meeting Francis. This explains His Eminence’s weakness when it comes to action, he is simply not convinced that Modernism per se is dangerous to the Faith. I suspect he takes the Pope Benedict line that a marriage between moderate Modernism and moderate Traditionalism is not only feasible for the Church but desirable, and even essential. This being the case, he sees Francis as too reactionary in one direction and the SSPX as too reactionary in the other. In fine, he favours compromise and compromise is just another way of conceding to error. There can be no compromise when it comes to the Catholic Faith; His Eminence is yet to learn that lesson. Maybe he will learn it and then perhaps decide at last to take a firm stand for the truth, as Archbishop Lefebvre did and as his SSPX continues to do. Until then, I’m afraid Cardinal Burke will make little to no lasting impact on anything or anyone.
Couldn’t agree more. Excellent comment.
I was very disappointed to read a piece in this week’s Catholic Herald, 1/9/17 (given to me by a friend – I never buy the “Catholic” papers) – a piece by Joseph Shaw, Chairman of the Latin Mass Society, where – opposite a column by one Matthew Schmitz pointing out how the young are being attracted to the TLM – Joseph Shaw – incredibly – calls for “liturgical pluralism”:
Rather than throw every parish into confusion with a new top-down reform, it is better to foster the existing liturgical pluralism, which includes the reformed Roman Rite, the Ordinariate Use, the growing presence of Eastern Catholic Rites and the pre-conciliar Latin Liturgy, now widely available once more. Among these, surely, we have something for everyone…The liturgy should not be a battlefield; it is a table at which the Catholic soul is nourished.”
Words fail. Completely.
So the liturgy should be like a buffet or a “pick and mix”. Nothing about the more important matter of giving glory to God and offering sacrifice to Him? No it is all about the feel good factor, all about man rather that Almighty God!
That was the most surprising thing of all – to read Joseph Shaw’s remark about there being “something for everyone”… with no mention of the central purpose of the Mass which is to worship God with true worship, in accordance with His Will.
And “… a table at which the Catholic soul is nourished”? What about an altar where the Holy Sacrifice is offered?
Words fail me too. Whoever said a Traditional Catholic doesn’t need a sense of humour!
What is it about these Una Voce/LMS chairmen?!? They are supposed to promote the restoration of the Traditional Liturgy, yet the English chairman wants pluralism and the the Tartan chairman sings at a Novus Ordo – both also promote the Ordinariate novelty! Talk about diabolical disorientation!
It is, indeed, curious. Why on earth would anyone accept the position of lead man in the work of restoring the traditional Latin Mass when they think the novus ordo – among a variety of other “liturgies” – is perfectly acceptable. If I were of that opinion, I’d save myself the hassle of travelling to Mass in town every week, and amble along to the local parish. What IS it with these people?
Goodness, it’s difficult enough giving time and energy (not to mention one’s immense talents, cough) to a cause in which one believes wholeheartedly, so I just don’t get it at all… what is it that could possibly motivate these UV/LMS Chairmen? I know it’s not possible to definitively judge anyone’s motivation, but – on the off chance that they’ve actually divulged same in the hearing of one of our blogging community – I thought I would ask.
Mr. Shaw shouldn’t worry his Modernist head off. If there is indeed a new, new, new “Mass” published (and pretend-promulgated) by Francis, there will be no “liturgical pluralism” allowed. It will be “Celebrate this new, new, new ‘Mass’ or be punished!” Just like they did with the Novus Ordo.
After all, this is the mandatory springtime, where 2 + 2 = 5!
Spot – liturgically – on! Absolutely correct.
As I read Joseph Shaw’s column in the “Catholic” Herald, I kept thinking back to the top thread posted to mark the Feast of St Pius X and Michael Matt’s moving video tribute to Archbishop Lefebvre. There’s no question about it, warts and all, the only place in town (to be sure of the authentic Catholic Faith and Mass) is the SSPX chapel, Anytown, Anywhere.
For, I just can’t remember the last time I heard an SSPX priest advocate “liturgical pluralism”, arguing, effectively, that there was no issue with the novus ordo… Oh yes, I remember now… NEVER!
RCA Victor and Editor
Both absolutely right!
In Canon Law the common good of the Church, the salvation of souls, is the ultimate end of everything and is therefore the rule by which all ecclesiastical decisions are judged legitimate or illegitimate. Given the great damage done to the common good of the Church by the Novus Ordo over the last 50 years or so, it is quite evident that it’s audacious imposition on the faithful cannot be considered legitimate. They can impose newer and newer models of this liturgical hotchpotch till they’re blue in the face and it will still never be legitimate because it harms the faith by reason of its having gravely departed from the Catholic theology of the ancient Mass as codified at Trent.
Here’s the video clip of the Pontifical High Mass. Only ten minutes – lovely.
I actually burst out laughing at the end. sorry for being so cynical, but a triumph for Catholic Tradition? I can’t take that seriously coming from a man, who not only attends the New Mass but attends the New Mass in the most outrageously liberal parish in Glasgow !
Good point – LOL!
I also wonder if any of those priests had the courage to ask the Cardinal if he is going to make that public correction of Pope Francis, promised must be a year at least ago now. My guess is no, since it looked like a happy social gathering afterwards, and priests tend to keep a low profile when there is any danger of conflict. It also looks like he spoke only about Fatima in a general way in his homily. He spoke about the consecration of Scotland but did he say anything about the consecration of Russia? I’d like to know that, if anybody was there who could tell us.
I don’t think it’s just priests who avoid conflict. I know lay people who have one foot in and one foot out of the traditional Faith, so they will avoid controversy if they can.
I agree, Josephine. The priests filmed looked to be in absolute awe of Cardinal Burke. I don’t think any of them would tell the Cardinal his shoe lace was undone, nevermind ask him when he is going to stop talking about correcting the pope and actually get round to doing it!
Petrus, and Josephine,
I don’t think it would be fair to expect the priests to be aggressive in speaking to the Cardinal, and it is natural that they are “in awe” of him up to a point – he might, as one lady remarked, be the next pope after all: about as likely as Bishop Fellay being given the red hat tomorrow, I agree, but you’ll get my drift.
However, you both have a point, although I hope you are wrong. It would be great to think that, however politely, someone managed to convey to the Cardinal the fact that we are all very hopeful that the promised public correction of the errors in Amoris Laetitia, comes soon.
Finally – a hint: don’t you two apply for the post of Catholic Truth Diplomatic Ambassador currently vacant 😀
Still… I know you both mean well – you just don’t always think of the obvious…
You make me laugh.
I agree with you, I wouldn’t expect any of the priests to be aggressive. Who knows, maybe one of them did have a quiet word with the Cardinal. We can but hope.
I had a spiel rehearsed, on the off chance I changed my mind and went along to the Mass. It wasn’t aggressive, but it was forthright!
I also understand priests – and people – being in awe of him. Personally, I don’t get it. I have huge amounts of respect and reverence for high ranking clerics, including Cardinal Burke, but I’m not in awe of him.
Anyway, I do know a small number of the priests in the video and they have been getting stronger and stronger over the years – so I do live in hope that one of them spoke to the Cardinal about these matters.
Lovely video – I agree. Seems to have been an impressive Mass.
Obviously having taken leave of my senses, (either that or I must be a masochist), I decided to have a look at the Scottish Catholic Observer website today.
There was an article about the charismatic event – run by the “Celebrate Movement” – which competed with the Glasgow Mass offered by Cardinal Burke recently. It was even worse than I had imagined.
There was a woman preacher – inspirational, apparently – from an ecumenical group called “Aglow”. If you google Aglow and look at who runs it, you could be forgiven for thinking you were looking at an American LCWR website.
In no way could this guff be described as Catholic.
The one bright spot in the article was mention that only 220 people were subjected to this (though it seems that figure is seen as a triumph).
(Warning the link contains a picture of the participants “reaching up to Heaven” like the protestants do – its like Nazi salutes at a glance).
There is also an article about the Cardinal Burke mass, but no mention of the fact that the Church (and its hall) was full to bursting point with people, beating the 220 disco-dancers above several times over.
Sad to see the list of religious order who volunteered to support “Celebrate” and the gushing praise of Bishop Keenan, all of whom seemingly thumbed their nose at Cardinal Burke.
Comments are closed.