Brexit & Brainwashed Catholics…
Maybe it’s just me, but I detect a determination both in Brussels and among certain groups of UK politicians to keep us in the EU at any price, despite the majority vote to leave in the 2016 referendum. There seems to be a propaganda push to hold a second referendum in the hope that there will be a change of mind and so the Remain vote will prevail. I’m hearing of Catholics who say that they have changed position amidst so much talk of a threat to jobs, border with Ireland and so on. The propaganda tactic might just work, with a second referendum giving a very different result.
The question for us, then, is this: assuming that there is some “Catholic interest” in the matter, should Catholics be contacting MPs to strengthen the Brexit vote – or, in the event of a second referendum, are Catholics, like the ones I mention above, likely to vote in the opposite direction, the second time around? Are Catholics so easily brainwashed?
To remind ourselves of the reasons why a majority voted to leave in 2016, watch the video above, and then visit the links to our two previous discussions on this topic.
Check out our previous discussions here (asking how Catholics should vote in the referendum) and here (discussing the truth about the Scottish vote) before sharing your opinion with us. Should Catholics stand firm and fight to have the democratic wish of the peoples of the UK, carried out, as expressed in the referendum on 23 June, 2016? If so, why? Are there any specifically “Catholic” reasons to support Brexit?
And in the light of news reports today, where Prime Minister Theresa May repeats her belief that “no deal is better than a bad deal” – do you agree? In light of the intransigence of Brussels, I’m inclined to go with that. Take me to the cliff edge anytime (in a manner of speaking!) What about you?
Comments (39)
Ed I voted out – would I vote differently now? Probably. Why? I voted Leave due to the Muslim immigration problem, and to us it is a problem. But the leave vote seems to me that it’s going to make no difference. In Germany the hordes who descended from so called Syria were never Syrians – most of them are Muslims from Africa who only want (to me anyhow) to use Europe as a stepping stone to get here. Sturgeon is still going to be in Power (God help us) as far as and as long as it will take another Party to oust her. Lots of us on here were probably lifelong Labour supporters who now would vote Tory before Corbyn’s Muslim Labour Party. So the way I see it is that we are going to take all the bad from Brexit – i.e. lower pound, higher food prices. Yet as far as the rest is concerned, it’s no change.
FOOF,
So you’ve fallen for the propaganda. And that’s because of the shaky rationale on which you based your vote. You are basically saying that you want control of immigration (the border) but don’t mind too much about the laws being made overseas and EU commissions running our economy and deciding other policies.
Personally, I cannot understand why anybody voted LEAVE for any other reason than to regain the independence of the UK …that is, to quote greater minds than mine, to take back control of our borders, finances and laws. Voting because you don’t like a particular group of people, for whatever reason, apart from being wholly un-Christian, i.e. uncharitable, brings to mind the adage: crazy is as crazy does.
Anyone who would vote “remain” in a second referendum is someone who – by definition – is OK with faceless bureaucrats overseas making decisions for us on immigration, the economy and law, and so, frankly, deserves all that is coming to them. Big time.
So what do you think I deserve all that would be coming to me Big style. Immigration Laws made from Brussels to build more Mosques. While you condemn the building of Mosques yourself but criticise me for wanting to bring in Christian Immigrants before Muslim Immigrants.
FOOF,
You are not making any sense. You say you voted to leave the EU because you don’t like the open-door immigration policy which has resulted in a growth in the Muslim population. Yet, you would vote to remain IN if there were a second referendum “because the laws from Brussels [mean] Muslims may build more mosques.” I do not understand your position.
The EU is already a tyranny and is getting more tyrannical by the day, so those who wish to remain in it can’t complain when things worsen – that’s what I meant when I said that the in-voters deserve all that is coming their way.
By the way, please don’t take offence but I’m not sure if you realise that your comments are peppered with capital letters – probably just typos, since I’m sure your English teachers taught you that you only need capital letters at the very beginning of a sentence and when typing proper names. Thus, for example, in your most recent post you didn’t need capital B for “big time” – you did right to use one for Brussels, of course – and you didn’t need capitals for laws, mosques or immigrants.
Just trying to be helpful – no offence intended. And definitely no charge 😀
Thanks For The Lesson it just goes to show that even in my late 60s I can always learn something new . Good Night and God Bless.
This report says that the EU leaders would rather cause its own economy to suffer than to see Britain thrive. I believe it. They are not nice people, especially Juncker.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/775078/Brexit-deal-European-Union-Article-50-negotiations-economy-Michel-Barnier-Tory-progress
I vote out and would do so again.
It would not surprise me if there was another referendum, although I hope not. The losing side have been agitating for it since the day after the referendum, which indicates their utter contempt for the British people. It doesn’t take much for the mask of democracy to slip.
We British have a good record of slapping down Europeans, whenever they get above themselves. I would hope the people would tell them where to go, if we had to vote again.
At no point since the referendum have I heard any sincere questions from the losing side (or EU itself) as regards why people voted for Brexit. Again this shows the contempt for ordinary people and their decisions. All we hear is ideas about ignoring or overturning the result, or forcing a new vote. At best, there are a few glib accusations of racism and xenophobia thrown about to explain the result. Ultimately, the europhiles couldn’t care less why people voted as they did – all they care about is that they didn’t get their way.
Of course, if people have the audacity to vote against EU schemes, its par for the EU course to send voters back, time and again, until they finally “get it right”.
Denmark was send back to vote again on the Maastricht treaty and the Irish were sent back to vote again on both the Nice treaty and the Lisbon treaty. French voters voted against the original text of the Lisbon treaty, but then the Parliament voted for the revised text (window dressing) without a popular vote. After the Brexit vote, 54% of the Dutch were found to want their own vote on the matter, but their own Parliament refused. The EU stinks.
People think it is democratic because they vote for MEPs, but it is not these MEPs who draught European law. Rather, it is the faceless EU Commission. The MEPs just vote through whatever the Commission puts in front of them, thus the MEP gravy train keeps rolling and the jollys to Brussels continue.
It amazing they get away with it, but then so many people these days are non-thinkers, happy to sit in ignorance with their mid-week Eastenders and their Saturday football. Western Europeans today are too comfortable and too materialistic to think about much other than their own desires. They are also easily led and believe everything they see on TV, hence can be easily scared with Brexit horror stories.
Ultimately the EU is all about power. And politicians see it as yet another tier of Government to extend their careers, an even bigger trough. It’s also extremely corrupt, as its accounts are not subject to external scrutiny and routinely feature big errors and omissions. And the Euro is run chiefly to favour German industry and others are left to rot, given the extreme diversity of economies in the EU. What suits Mercedes-Benz is hardly to going suit a Portugese fisherman or an Italian waiter or a shop worker in Greece.
The EU does not negotiate fairly in the Brexit discussions either. It doesn’t have the goal of reaching a fair and reasonable settlement, it has the goal of making an example, to dissuade others even thinking of leaving.
Catholics should specifically detest the EU for its promotion of evils such as abortion, contraception, homosexuality, even euthanasia. This is all the EU is interested in forcing on its members and 3rd world nations.
I am not against EU immigration – our (like most of Europe) nation doesn’t have a sufficient birthrate, so needs some immigration. I am happy for Catholic Irish, French, Italians, Poles etc to come here (but not the modernist Germans haha). Much better EU immigration than Mr Muhammed Muhammed Mentalist Muhammed arriving from God knows where, claiming to be God knows who.
Ultimately I am a strong support of Brexit because I believe in self-determination for the UK and I think Brexit will strengthen the British Union. Its no surprise the SNP and their fanatics are all keen on the EU, much like Ireland they want to pretend to be the big independent nation having “thrown off the English”.
In reality, an independent Scotland (like Ireland) would only be a “make up the numbers” nation in the EU, taking its orders from the Brussels: lets not forget Brussels has to approve the Irish financial budget, before its own Government can implement it. Some independence, what a joke. The men and women from 1916 must turn in their graves. And I would rather the UK and its constituent parts make their own decisions, rather than make provisional decisions subject to the approval of Brussels.
I think the UK will ultimately flourish outside the EU. Scotland in particular has much to gain, if its gets control of fishing in its own waters. That could invigorate towns and villages along the whole coast and provide much employment in fishing and knock-on industry. What an economic boost such a sustainable industry would bring, partially offsetting the decline of Oil.
The pound losing value against the Euro doesn’t concern me much – that would mean our own industries and exports would be more competitive, so there is opportunity even in that. As for holidays, well, European restaurants have always been a rip-off anyway 😉
Gabriel Syme,
As a first generation Scot, I can’t agree with your remarks about Ireland – indeed, it makes no sense to demand self-determination for the UK, as you have rightly done, in order to free it from a crazy system of government by an overseas bureaucracy, while appearing to belittle the same claim to self-determination of the Irish who naturally objected to being ruled by a country across the sea.
I don’t think it’s fair to accuse Ireland of the motive of “throwing off the English” any more than having voted Brexit means I want to “throw off the Europeans”. It’s about being ruled locally, and the rulers being accountable locally. That’s all. I can never see the sense in countries being governed by another country miles away, but let’s not get into the various territories ruled by the UK from a distance, even today… that conversation would give a whole new meaning to being “on dangerous ground”!
I do agree with you that the UK will ultimately flourish outside the EU. There’s no question about it, in my view. I just hope the propaganda machine doesn’t fool the population if the rogue “remoaners” get their way and force a second referendum. If they do, I will take to the streets with hand-written leaflets – because the message will be unprintable!
Editor,
As regards Ireland:
I wasn’t trying to belittle Ireland’s right to self determination – what I was getting at was that their course of breaking away from the UK (at the cost of Irish blood), only to then become enthusiastic (perhaps even subservient?) members of the EU makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
If the UK was bad for Ireland, then the EU is surely 100 times worse.
It’s the same with the SNP: they moan that Scotland isn’t an equal partner in the Uk and Scotland’s voice isn’t heard. Yet they are wholly committed to an independent Scotland in the EU – which again makes no sense whatsoever.
Any problem they perceive with the UK, will be magnified 100 times in the EU.
I entirely support the right of Ireland to run its own affairs, but I don’t think the aim of Irish independence was just to swap London for Brussels, but that’s ultimately what they have today.
We agree for sure that the UK will do well outside of the EU, even if there is a rocky transition (which is by no means guaranteed).
Gabriel Syme,
Yes, you are certainly right about the nonsense of exchanging rule from the UK with rule from Brussels – in the cases of both Ireland and Scotland that is truly nonsensical. I hadn’t clearly understood your meaning so thank you for clarifying that.
I voted to leave the EU and would do so again. However I am concerned at the apparent ineptitude of the Government when it comes to getting on with the job. I feel strongly that we should not be ruled by the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels but we seem to be finding it very difficult to disentangle ourselves. Now whether that is because our politicians intend to make it seem impossible to get a good deal because they are against Brexit and hope that people will lose the will to support it, I don’t know. Quite possibly. Unfortunately there is not one single politician of any party who has the real statesmanship to give a firm lead to our country and it shows. It is interesting that people are suggesting Jacob Rees-Mogg as a possible Tory leader but I am not sure, given his eccentricities that he is electable. A pity because he has a fine mind and principles.
Elizabeth,
Jacob Rees-Mogg
I think he is brilliant. He even attends the latin mass.
Currently the campaign to push him for Tory leader is offering folk free posters of him to put in their windows. I’d like to get one, but I daresay its a surefire way to get your windows tanned, in the Glasgow area at least! 😛
Elizabeth,
I, too, am very concerned at the apparent ineptitude of the Government in getting Brexit organised. All we are hearing are negative prophecies about the future of business etc after Brexit. Everything is put down to “Brexit” – even though the fall and rise of the pound was normal prior to the referendum, now any fall is put down to Brexit and any rise – well, Brexit hasn’t happened yet! It’s so obvious that it’s almost comical. And all the while the “leavers” say little, except “we’re leaving…” They’ve stopped fighting the fight, assuming, naively, that it will go ahead without realising that propaganda changes public opinion. There’s no shortage of useful idiots out there.
David Cameron promised that if there were a “yes” vote in the June 2016 referendum, he would trigger Article 50 the next day. That should have happened and we should have left – and then negotiated new deals and settlements.
Would I stand a chance against Jacob Rees Mogg if I stood for Prime Minister? Would you vote for me? Consider that a rhetorical question, although my new year’s resolution was to stop asking rhetorical questions. What’s the point? 😀
I voted out and would also do so again because the EU has robbed nations of their national sovereignty, including the UK. Those who signed us up to the EU without our knowledge are traitors to their country, they gave away for money what two World Wars couldn’t deprive us of, our great national heritage.
It was clear from the moment the people voted out that the wheels were set in motion to reverse the decision. The news channels, liberal propagandists that they are, together with certain Tory traitors and the Communist Corbynites like Sir Keir Starmer, have plotted and planned how they best to kill the vote of the people while making it look like they’re doing them a favour and fighting the cause for their future prosperity. Sadly, a majority of people are falling for the rhetoric and now we have this incredible situation, unthinkable a year ago, of serious talk to keep Britain in some kind of single market and customs union for an extended and indefinite period of years. They idiots in the country can’t see that they have been fleeced again by corrupt politicians keen to sell the nobility of British sovereignty and freedom for money.
We live in this tragic time when money trumps everything else, even human life. There are no longer noble statesmen in Britain with national pride and higher moral aspirations for the country, just greedy politicians who can’t wait to sell their heritage for filthy lucre.
I would rather our nation was poverty stricken than in bondage for even another five minutes to that new Communist Supreme Soviet set up in the heart of Western Europe. It even has former members of the old Russian Supreme Soviet at the highest levels. This is how blind people are now, they just can’t see that they are being manipulated. In fact they are so blind that many are now hailing the Trotskyite Corbyn as a future Prime Minister. God help us if that nightmare becomes reality.
Sorry for all the typos above, I really should slow down on the keyboard!
Forgot to add that even the two years of Brexit negotiations was a con. The people voted to leave and we should have left immediately. This two-year divorce business was a delaying tactic while plans were set in motion to overturn the people’s decision. It is all so obvious and so evil.
I actually was in England when the vote happened. I didn’t have a vote but I was delighted with the result. It used to be a joke that if the EU got a result from the people which they didn’t like then they would insist on another vote until the fools gave the result which the EU wanted. So what has changed! The EU don’t like Brexit and they will keep on trying and trying and trying to change it.
I see that the Pound has been falling recently. This actually affects me so I must confess to having more than just “an interest” in it. I receive an “Age” pension since I worked half my life in England and since I live in a Commonwealth country that payment is set at the amount it was when I was 65 and no increases are ever paid each succeeding year. The Australian Government every now and again complains about that fact to the British Government. The Australian Government has to make good the money which the British Government does not pay!
I’m sure that you will all laugh but Western Australia, where I live, has the Federal Liberal Conference taking place here. A Motion is on the table for Western Australia to do a Wexit from Australia. In 1933 the locals here all voted to do so but the British Government never let it come about! We here in WA are sick and tired of Canberra telling us what to do while they take our money and treat us as foreigners. Get the picture!!!!
Go on….laugh!
John R – OK, then… Since I couldn’t find a laughing kangaroo, I thought this would do the trick. This is me on a good day…
http://images.clipartpanda.com/laughing-smiley-face-clip-art-dc6y7qKc9.gif
Editor,
I don’t think you will be laughing after you’ve seen this press conference at the EU – if ever the malice of the EU negotiators was obvious, it’s here:-
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GONsvRuaG7g&w=1131&h=636%5D
I voted to leave right now, and negotiate later on the website poll. I think that would make a big difference to the attitude of the EU people, I really do.
Lily,
Thanks for that – a very testy exchange, indeed.
Our voting poll is showing just how many brainwashed Catholics are out there, with the majority – at this time of writing – wanting to stay in the EU! Ignorance must be bliss right enough – there’s no other explanation for it!
Of course, I hasten to add that our voting polls are not scientific – many more people visit the website than vote in the polls, always a mystery to us, but of those voting, 75% at this moment in time, wish Brexit to be cancelled. And they say the Scots have no sense of humour!
Imagine the people of Britain having to negotiate its freedom from a slave union they never signed up to in the first place. The arrogance of these unelected EU officials who can hardly speak our language telling Britain that it must pay huge amounts of ransom money and adhere post Brexit to all manner of EU rules and regulations, etc., etc. Why don’t our leaders just walk away from this evil union and start immediate trade negotiations with other nations, which, incidentally, are lining up to do business with us. The EU market depends more on Britain than Britain does on it, so we should turn the tables, walk away and watch them coming running for our continued trade. Britain was the country that saved Europe from Nazi occupation. Time these arrogant Eurocrats were reminded of the fact.
Athanasius,
100% I agree! Walk away and watch them come running.
I was furious watching that arrogant Barnier man – how dare he! If only Theresa-May had kept her mouth shut about other issues and focused on Brexit in the last General Election she would have got a huge mandate which would have put an end to this wavering and waffling.
Fidelis
I still can’t believe that Theresa May highlighted a prgramme of financial punishment for pensioners in her Tory election manifesto, it’s just too crazy to contemplate. It’s almost as if she wanted to lose her majority, that’s how obviously suicidal it was. Can’t help wondering about the origin and intention of that fatal policy.
Athanasius/Fidelis,
My personal take on the sudden introduction of those crazy policies was that she was so cock-sure of gaining a huge majority because of Brexit (which I firmly believe she would have achieved) that she thought she could get away with throwing in those pensioner-punishing policies for good measure. She has lived to rue the day.
Editor,
I couldn’t agree more. I think this was definitely sheer arrogance. Her recent declaration that she will go on and on is arrogance too. She’s a hopeless case.
Athanasius,
Forgive my American ignorance, but given the fact that the UK always prided itself on keeping aloof from the Continent (notwithstanding the fact that Queen Victoria was once known as “the Grandmother of Europe”), WHY would the UK even THINK of joining the EU in the first place?
Yours in Christ the King,
Margaret USA
P.S. Happy Feast of St. Pius X (since it’s after 4:30 am GMT)
You asked if there was a Catholic position on Brexit. I believe there very much is. The striking feature about the EU is the it is run by Capitalists. The Free Movement of Labour means that where employment is high the introduction of immigration leads to rising unemployment and the economic principle comes into force that where there is competition for jobs then the wages will be lower. That is not even questionable it is economic fact.
But let us turn to the Socialists, the party we are told of the working class. There they are opposing anyone who wants control of immigration and calling them Nazis. Surely they do not support a Capitalist Europe? Some for lack of education do, but the real prize is to turn Europe Marxist/Socialist through the EU and we will have the European Union of Socialist Republics. Of course the new Utopia will be anti-Christian and every day life for its citizens will exactly mirror life in the former USSR. Religion and especially religious schools will be controlled, our speech will be abolished, and secular ‘ethics’ will prevail.
Just listen to the opinions which arena prevalent in the Labour Party which no longer governed by the MPs inside Parliament but the Trotskyists and Socialists outside who now choose the Prime Minister. Of course they know they cannot take over peacefully and do not imagine they are ignorant of the Moslem threat, no, they allow the Moslems to create chaos and when the time is ripe they imagine they will step in and start some kind of control over the Moslems. They understand the principle that any Socialist Revolution can only begin in violence. The sad thing is that the Church in Europe, the Church of Jesus Christ is too weak to stand against them. We need a strong Catholic Church with a strong Catholic Faith. That is where Fatima comes in, we must turn to Mother Mary.
John Kearney
The great mistake you make, a very common and widespread misunderstanding, is that modern Capitalism and Socialism are opposing ideologies. They are not, they are both controlled by the same dark forces that utilise them for the same anti-Christian ends. If you research the history of the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia you’ll discover it was financed by the Western Capitalist banks. It’s all an illusion of opposing forces to keep the people voting for one side or the other. Why do you think every Western country has only a two-party race at election time? It’s to keep control.
I’m not familiar with this fellow – apparently he is an atheist – but he certainly doesn’t shy away from the truth about the enforced Muslim takeover of Europe. I post this here because of the word “brainwashed” in the headline, which aptly describes what the EU is trying to do regarding the Islamic invasion:
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydPZRoLzu-E&w=560&h=315%5D
RCA Victor,
I’ll check out the video later but it is good to know that not ALL atheists are as thick as mince 😀
I watched a very good Tucker Carlson interview a few days ago in which he interviewed a very interesting gentleman who pointed out various ways in which the “liberals” manipulate the truth. One of them was, instead of focusing on Islamism and dealing with the terrorist threat, they allege “Islamaphobia” every time it is mentioned! He had a string of similar avoidance techniques – when I get a minute, I’ll dig out that interview and post it here.
I just received this email
Westminster Fly
Dear Friends,
Please sign the petition and share with others
https://reignite.org/campaigns/brexit
Theresa May has received ‘secret advice’ from top lawyers that is believed to state that parliament could stop Brexit before the end of March 2019.
That’s why I’ve signed the petition on Reignite.org to ensure Theresa May doesn’t turn her back on Brexit – our voice must be heard!
So can you please join me and add your name now? It takes less than a minute.
I do not trust the government who will give the appearance that we have gained independence from the tyranny of Brussels but which in fact will keep us connected . Imagine Siamese twins being separated but which in fact still share the same blood, air and other supply connections. Above all we will still be governed by EU legislation. We need to restore our laws which were founded on the Ten Commandments and Biblical morality and repeal all the godless legislation going back to at least 1967. Britain needs another Reformation, not just an exodus from “Egypt”.
I am yours in Jesus Christ
David Skinner
WF,
Amazing! I’ve just posted the same link! Great minds think alike! Will remove mine, but encourage everyone to sign the Reignite petition, which I’ve just signed myself.
Sorry Ed – must have posted the above at the same time – great minds think alike!
WF,
Yes, indeed, and I’m impressed that you went to the trouble of digging out the previous Brexit thread – most would simply have gone to the General Discussion thread, so you are top of the class now, no question about it! I know how far down the list it is, having searched for it myself, so as they say in your neck of the woods: well done you!
Europe will not be defeated by the Islamo-Marxists! Nigel Farage is the Charlemagne of our times.
Nobby,
Nigel Farage certainly was a voice to be reckoned with, but his move away from UKIP has brought about a great weakness in that Party’s ability to hold the government to account. It has also marginalised Nigel himself, who is now just a lone voice.
I firmly believe that Theresa May has already sold us out to Europe. She has already agreed a so-called transition period for Brexit that extends the process to five years from the date of the vote to leave, and I think there will be other delays to come. I think only God can release Britain from Germany’s slavery. Wee Mrs. Merkel is the boss of the EU, acting on behalf of superiors in Moscow. I understand she used to be a member of East Germany’s Stasi. Says all that needs saying, really.
Athanasius,
I hadn’t heard that before about Merkel (didn’t even know what the Stasi was, LOL!) So I Googled and found this article
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/5351229/Angela-Merkel-turned-down-job-from-Stasi.html
Fidelis
Yes, I’ve read that she turned down a job with the Stasi. But in those days when the Stasi came calling, it was either join them or go to the gulags.
The entire European Union setup is based on the old ‘Supreme Soviet’ model, and even has former members of the Supreme Soviet in its executive. At the heart of the organisation is Angela Merkel, making Germany rich off the backs of Britain and the other EU countries while eliminating all national sovereignty.
It’s quite amazing to think that what the Germans couldn’t achieve by aggression through two World Wars, they have managed effortlessly through the EU. Britain, having fought to retain her sovereignty at the cost of millions of lives, has had it taken from her with a smile. Our politicians didn’t offer us a referendum when that particular treachery was taking place! In truth, it was a silent treason.
Nobby,
Firstly, I do not know why all of your posts are going into moderation. If you log in with the same email address that you used to sign up, and avoid bad language, there should not be a problem. It is presumably a blip that will correct itself in due course.
On topic: Donald Trump is not a Catholic – if he were, he would surely know that God did not create any individual, let along a whole nation, to be “evil”. Check up the Church’s teaching on Original Sin. I’m very surprised that you would make such an elementary mistake. Possibly comes with the territory for those who place political opinions and divine revelation on the same footing.
We are not permitted to judge souls; we may judge and comment on the words and actions of individuals, but not the state of their souls.
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