13 October: Centenary, Miracle of the Sun

13 October: Centenary, Miracle of the Sun

The Editor of Christian Order writes…

Hierarchical disobedience/negligence/cowardice/lethargy/call-it-what-you-like, continues to amaze and appal. Even conservative prelates rarely promote the Five First Saturday Reparatory Devotions with any urgency. At best, all talk and no positive action sums up the hierarchical history. At worst — and overwhelmingly — it has been silence and negativity in the Modernistic process of marginalising, ecumenising and secularising Fatima by a thousand condescending cuts.

In effect, Our Lady’s personal instruction of Lucia, Francisco and Jacinta between May and October 1917 triggered 100 years of devotion and struggle — in roughly equal proportion: fifty years of signature Catholic devotion to Mary, followed by fifty post-conciliar years of ecumenical embarrassment apropos Marian devotion in general, and the Fatima message in particular.

Sister Lucia famously put this down to the “diabolic disorientation” that views doctrinal, moral and canonical chaos as a gift of the Holy Spirit, and the ensuing “mess” as a work of mercy.

This malign malaise appears to have reached its zenith in the person of the current pontiff. Yet we must pause to consider the plain truth of the matter: that Francis is just the latest link in the ever lengthening Modernist chain.   Click here to read entire editorial

The Editor of Catholic Truth writes…

No names, no pack drill, but in recent weeks I’ve been meeting diocesan Catholics in Novus Ordo Land on their home territory in various parishes in the central belt of Scotland, and believe me, there is just no easy or tactful way to say this: when Sister Lucia spoke of the forthcoming “diabolical disorientation” (presumably divulging something of what Our Lady had revealed, perhaps using her very words) she wasn’t kidding. Discussing Fatima, many, if not most, were shocked at the very idea that all is not as it should be – what they were hearing from us (the – literally – whole truth about Fatima) is just “not Catholic.” All incredible stuff. Talk about “upside down”; talk about “disorientation” – you got it.  Hostility on legs.  

As we approach the centenary of the Miracle of the Sun tomorrow, then, let us pray very hard for our fellow Catholics who have been given stones instead of bread these past fifty odd years and just cannot see it.  The old Faith has virtually disappeared from parish life, certainly here in Scotland.  the people don’t know the Faith; the clergy don’t know the Faith – and, from my recent experience, it seems clear that they don’t want to know it. 

Maybe, though, you have some tips to share to help restore the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Faith to our brothers and sisters in Christ. If so, let’s hear it… Because one of the sticking points in discussion has proven to be the very claim of the Church to be the one, true Church of Christ. Ecumenism has eaten deeply into the souls of the Catholic people. 

However, there is some good news:  the Fatima Scotland group,* formed to offer to distribute literature and give talks in parishes, has now offered to run Fatima Surgeries with a view to answering questions on Fatima, including the various controversies surrounding the Consecration of Russia and the Third Secret.  To sign up for one of these surgeries, please email [email protected]  in the first instance.  Your contact details will be passed to the Coordinator of the Fatima Scotland Group, who will be in touch with details of the next meeting.

Spread news of these surgeries far and wide, because there really is a serious lack of knowledge about the gravity of the Fatima apparitions at parish level. Our Lady said that the Consecration of Russia would be done “but it will be late” – and as we see the moral fibre of our societies disintegrating around us, with political leaders and terrorists threatening world peace, it is already very “late”.    It is crucial that we all do what we can to spread the Message of Fatima in what is left of this centenary year – and these surgeries offer a perfect talking point to do so. 

Our Lady of Fatima, Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us!

*  This group is separate from the diocesan-approved Fatima Scotland group.  The group referred to above officially represents the Fatima Center, Canada (Fr Gruner RIP) apostolate, appointed to distribute literature etc in Scotland during this centenary year. 

Comments (56)

  • Mary Anne

    We may be even with you here, Scotland! This article is for sure the best out there for awhile … in content and clarity. I got my first real laugh for some time when I came upon the algebraic equation of how we fulfilled the Third Secret and now tremble at the coming wrath of God.

    October 12, 2017 at 6:48 pm
    • editor

      Mary Anne,

      You don’t say where you are in the world, to be “with [us] here!” I’m guessing you are in the USA but, wherever, I agree with you about the Christian Order editorial – it’s very clear indeed. Rod’s editorials are always excellent. I often intent to use them on the blog but get overtaken by events most of the time.

      October 13, 2017 at 11:05 am
      • Mary Anne

        Yes, USA. Love your Blog.

        October 22, 2017 at 12:05 am
  • Margaret Mary

    “The old Faith has virtually disappeared from parish life, certainly here in Scotland.  the people don’t know the Faith; the clergy don’t know the Faith – and, from my recent experience, it seems clear that they don’t want to know it.” 

    That assessment is totally accurate. It describes the situation where I live, perfectly. Talking to other Catholics about the faith today is like talking to a wall.

    Love the Fatima hymn!

    October 12, 2017 at 9:29 pm
    • editor


      I love the Fatima hymn as well. My Great Niece is the singer and our blogger, Petrus, is the organist. Even so, it’s still very good 😀

      Happy anniversary of the Miracle of the Sun, to one and all, today!

      Remember, Our Lady told the children that a miracle would occur, specifying the exact date and time, in order that all may believe. It’s for the purpose of emphasising the truth of what was revealed at Fatima, that the miracle took place. So, use it when telling others about Fatima; that this miracle was foretold to the exact time and place, and witnessed by 70,000 at that location, and by others around 17 miles away. Click here to read an eye-witness account.

      October 13, 2017 at 11:06 am
      • Petrus

        Still very good in spite of my playing, not because of!!!! Haha.

        October 14, 2017 at 7:31 am
  • RCAVictor

    I did not detect this attitude in Editor’s introduction, nor in Rod Peat’s article, but I submit that, as a first step before we address the mote in our fellow Catholics’ eyes, we need to remove the beam from our own. That beam, which I have repeatedly encountered among traditionalists, goes something like this:

    “Certain traditionalists are virtuously preserving the Faith whole and entire, and doing a much superior job of it than anyone else, esp. so-called conservative Catholics who have settled for an occasional Traditional Mass or some other scrap thrown from the bishops’ tables. In fact, it’s best not to have anything to do with such people.”

    Or variations on that theme, expressed by many laity and even some priests. However, is this not the very same attitude as the “Resistance”? “Have nothing to do with Modernist Rome!!!” It is nothing more than a schismatic mentality.

    We cannot treat our brother Catholics like lepers or untouchables, and we are not the true Church. That is just a horrible conceit and self-deception. Did St. John claim that he was the only true Apostle, because he alone, out of all of them, stood at the foot of the Cross?

    The traditionalist movement has become entirely too in-bred, and thus all-too-easily breeds such rubbish.

    That said, and if that sea change occurs, I do not know what the next step is, but I am reminded of the words of Our Lord regarding this: “And many false prophets shall rise, and shall seduce many. And because iniquity hath abounded, the charity of many shall grow cold.” (Matthew 24: 11-12)

    If charity abounds among us once again, the sky’s the limit.

    October 12, 2017 at 9:31 pm
    • editor

      RCA Victor,

      I guarantee, if you had been present at the meetings which I have witnessed these past few months, you would not have written a sentence of your comment above, for while there are certainly silly so-called “traditionalists” and so-called “conservative Catholics” (meaningless terms – one is either a fully believing Catholic or one is not) there can be no doubt that here in Scotland for sure, the diocesan Catholics – the vast majority – now have lost the Faith. No question at all about that.

      The Fatima Scotland Group* is not in the slightest treating “brother Catholics like lepers or untouchables” but, on the contrary has gone into parishes in good faith and in a spirit of true charity, and been astonished at the reception they have received. THEY have been treated like lepers, once their mission became apparent. Believe me. I have listened to them trying to explain that it is not their “opinion” that “outside the Church no salvation” but that it is a dogma of the Faith. I’ve heard their speaker being attacked for daring to quote Pope Pius XII on “the suicide of altering the Faith in her liturgy, theology, soul” etc; I’ve watched members of the audience shake their heads and say “not true” at that and similar facts. I’ve listened to the amazement of the Group at being asked by the parishioners who organised these Fatima meetings NOT to mention the traditional Latin Mass as it is too controversial, and when they did so after the event, in private conversation, hearing clergy telling them that that is in the past, we’ve moved on from there. One clergyman even described himself as “ecumenical” and dismissed protestations from members of the Group that prior to Vatican II, every pope in history denounced ecumenism and forbade Catholics to participate in it. All facts are dismissed with a shake of the head.

      Above all, I’ve watched in disbelief as row after row of “brother Catholics” left the hall, calling the content of the speaker’s talk, “not Catholic” when she said nothing remotely controversial – for anyone who holds to the divine and Catholic Faith.

      As for daring to criticise Pope Francis – albeit implicitly – that was/is taboo and hardly surprising, therefore, that the Group met with a staunch defence of Amoris Laetitia when that was raised.

      Margaret Mary didn’t say “have nothing to do” with these alleged Catholics. In fact, the Fatima Scotland Group is re-invigorated to have all the more to do with them, but only for the purpose of bringing them to the truths of the Faith, through the Fatima Message.

      Going along to get along would be only too easy, and I can’t believe for a second that you would endorse such a weak and un-Catholic spirit. There is no point in pretending these modernists – lay or ordained – are true Catholics, for they are not.

      Just check out Pope Saint Pius X who points out in Pascendi that these are the enemy within. It’s got nothing to do with “we are the good guys and they are the bad guys” any more than St Athanasius said “we are the good guys and they are the bad guys” at the last major (but nothing like as bad as this) crisis in the Church. No, we say what HE said back in the 4th century – “They have the buildings, we have the Faith”. A simple statement of fact, which – I have no doubt – on reflection, RCA Victor, you will clearly recognise to be the truth, especially when I add, in conclusion, that what I have written above of my experiences these past few months when attending Fatima Scotland events, is but a fraction of what I have witnessed. A mere blip.

      We need to pray for these poor souls, misled by modernist clergy, but we must not make light of their ignorance, some, at least, of which is culpable. Large groups of the elderly in those audiences should have known better but apparently prefer the new religion to the old. They need prayers but they also need to have their consciences disturbed. It does not help to shoot the messengers – the Fatima Scotland Group has been well and truly shot down, so pray for their work and for the graces necessary for the Catholics of Scotland to return to the pure and undiluted Catholic religion.

      PS – I, for one, and I’m sure I speak for the members of the Fatima Scotland Group, do not recognise ourselves in this statement from your post: “The traditionalist movement has become entirely too in-bred, and thus all-too-easily breeds such rubbish.” The Group is nothing like the awful, the daft “resistance (to nothing)” brigade, which you mention. Not remotely.

      Indeed, none of us belong to any “traditionalist movement” – we are ordinary Catholics, nothing more, nothing less, but we know our Faith and we know our duty to defend it when it is under attack, as behoves Confirmed Catholics, and that includes correcting our malformed brother Catholics, when they are patently adhering to heresy, as the majority of those encountered at these events actually do; they adhere to heresy, including, very prominently, the heresy of ecumenism. If some see our defence of the undiluted Faith as some kind of “triumphalism” or “arrogance”, too bad. They’re wrong.

      * My attention has been drawn to the fact that there is another group with this name, responsible for organising various events all over Scotland. The Fatima Scotland Group to which I refer in this, and subsequent posts, is a small group which officially represents the Fatima Center in Canada, co-ordinating the distribution of Fatima literature and responding to invitations to speak in parishes/readers’ homes, during this centenary year. The group of the same name which hosts official, diocesan-approved events in parishes, adheres to the false claims about Fatima, such as the claim that the Consecration of Russia has been done, and the members of that group are linked to the modernist World Apostolate of Fatima (all of which explains why that group is diocesan-approved!) so we wish to ensure that our little centenary year Fatima Scotland Group is not confused with that “official” Fatima Scotland group.

      October 12, 2017 at 10:36 pm
      • John R

        Dear Editor,
        You are fully aware that my experience of Scotland is “limited” but I am sure that what you are saying is 100% true. I can say the same for most of Western Australia. I had quite a few words with my parish priest only a couple of days ago and I was shaking my head at his attitude. He convinced me of the paucity of his theological knowledge and I shudder to think what is being taught in our Seminaries now.

        October 13, 2017 at 12:03 am
      • Lily

        John R

        You have put your finger on a key part of the problem of the apostasy today, the teaching in seminaries.

        If the student priests are not learning the true faith, how can they pass it on?

        October 13, 2017 at 9:36 am
      • editor

        John R,

        Yes, the “silent apostasy” identified by Pope John Paul II, is silent no more. It’s screaming out at us from every parish and can only worsen until – by divine intervention at one level or another – it is corrected.

        Groups like Fatima Scotland are working at the first level of divine intervention (winning grace) by exercising their Confirmation duty to take the Message of Fatima (which is, essentially, the message of this apostasy) to our fellow Catholics.

        About the seminaries – very true. They have long been teaching a different religion and contributing, big time, to the chaotic state of the Church today.

        October 13, 2017 at 11:11 am
      • Lily


        I take your point, and the meetings your describe are dreadful.

        However, I still think RCA Victor has a point in general. I’ve met so-called traditionalists who think they’re a cut above other Catholics, and are even unwelcoming to new people coming to their Masses. I’ve known people who have experienced that in certain places, although, as you say above, “no names no pack drill” LOL!

        Well done the Fatima Scotland Group for going into the Lion’s Den to spread the truth about Fatima – that sounds like it was not easy work. They will be rewarded warmly for their efforts.

        Today being the 100th anniversary of the miracle of the sun, we should pray for the people you have met who are so hostile to the Fatima message, so that they get to the truth, better late than never.

        October 13, 2017 at 9:34 am
      • editor


        Yes, I do agree that RCA Victor has a point about certain so-called traditionalists. There are, certainly, types who think they are the real McCoy, but, in fact, they would never be found in any of the Fatima Scotland meetings or any other kind of apostolic enterprise. They’re a lazy bunch, in my experience.

        As for my beloved friend RCA Victor, he’s yet to learn the truth of the old saying: arguing with a woman will get you arrested and everything you say can and will be used against you.


        October 13, 2017 at 11:03 am
      • RCAVictor


        It’s encouraging to know that your experiences, including the brave adventures of Fatima Scotland, have been the opposite of mine regarding the attitudes of traditionalists (but not encouraging regarding the reactions of modernist Catholics). I cannot say more about this without risking dropping a nuclear bomb, but I will say that when I called for “charity” I was not adopting, in effect, The Remnant’s “going along to get along” policy. Nor was I attempting to defend or excuse occurrences of condescension and hostility toward traditionalists. I was simply describing what I have all-too-often seen and heard in this part of the world, which, it seems to me, is a variety of in-bred xenophobia.

        That said, I wonder if a change of tactic is called for by Fatima Scotland, who has apparently chosen to address parish groups about the truth of Fatima. Modernism is a group-think, and sustains itself by obedience to group-think, so I wonder whether the chances of success would increase if FS were to address smaller groups, and/or work in more informal settings. That is probably grasping at straws, but if so, perhaps the only way to conversion is the restoration that will follow the Consecration.

        Regarding the conundrum of asking Catholics to convert to Catholicism, I’m reminded of the early followers of Luther, who also thought they were still Catholic….until he was excommunicated….hint for a future Pope….

        October 13, 2017 at 3:10 pm
      • Margaret Mary

        RCA Victor,

        Unless I’m misunderstanding you, you seem to be saying that where you live the traditionalist (so-called) Catholics leave a lot to be desired, while the modernists are great Catholics because you say Editor’s experience of the modernist Catholics is the “opposite” of yours, so, I take that to mean, logically, that they are very good Catholics, which makes me wonder why they are still attending their local NO Mass and ecumenical events!

        It says in the introductory article that the Fatima Scotland group are now organising surgeries, which means small groups – most surgeries are with a doctor or politician on a one-to-one basis, so your suggestion is in line with what they’ve already said they’ll do.

        Kudos on them for not giving up.

        October 13, 2017 at 4:08 pm
      • RCAVictor

        Margaret Mary,

        No, I’m not saying anything of the kind about modernist Catholics, but the first half of your first sentence is completely accurate, as far as my personal experience goes. The last sentence of my post should have tipped off my perspective on modernist Catholics.

        Good to know FS’ plans regarding surgeries; I’m at a serious disadvantage knowing about their activities from where I sit. But just to point out the predictable obvious: once word gets out among “mainstream” Catholics, in a country with a small Catholic population, that FS’ presentations are, by “mainstream” standards, not Catholic, then doors will be rapidly closing in FS’ collective face.

        Meanwhile, unless I’m missing something, “Les Femmes – the Truth” appears to have lost the plot: https://lesfemmes-thetruth.blogspot.com/2017/10/heres-what-happened-after-march-25-1984.html#more

        This organization used to be the linchpin of the Catholic Media Coalition, to which I once belonged, and to which Editor may still belong, I don’t know.

        October 13, 2017 at 9:30 pm
      • editor

        RCA Victor,

        I cannot believe that article on Les Femmes. I am stunned.

        Yes, we are still part of the Catholic Media Coalition, and I see a link to our website is still up there.

        How disappointing, though that Susan Mathieson wrote that article. Unless I’ve confused her with someone else, she is a convert to the Faith and was not an SSPX sympathiser when I was over there, so it’s not too surprising that she’s entirely confused about the Consecration.

        October 13, 2017 at 10:44 pm
      • Athanasius

        RCA Victor and Editor

        I’ve just placed a comment on the Les Femmes blog, telling a few home truths about Fatima. We’ll see if it gets past moderation!

        October 14, 2017 at 12:39 am
      • editor

        Excellent, Athanasius. Will check that out with much interest.

        October 14, 2017 at 11:12 am
      • editor

        Well done, Athanasius – your comment has been published on Les Femmes. I’ve just submitted one myself, so I hope, between us, and the other commentators, we help to educate the author of that article.

        October 14, 2017 at 3:57 pm
      • Athanasius


        I’m glad they posted my comment, so now let’s hope they publish the others.

        October 14, 2017 at 4:59 pm
      • Margaret USA

        I tried posting a comment on LF but don’t know if it’s been approved.

        October 15, 2017 at 2:58 am
      • editor


        I’ve just paid a visit – no comment from you but an incredible response from Susan Mathieson, author of the original article, so I’ve submitted a second comment.

        October 15, 2017 at 3:16 pm
      • Athanasius


        I have likewise placed a comment in response to Susan Mathieson. In fact, I’ve placed two, the latter of which points to Fr. Di Noto’s observation that 98% of Internet Domains, hosting child pornography on websites around the world, are registered in Russia. I’m quite sure Our Lady will be greatly offended by anyone suggesting that this kind of Russia is the one she has apparently just converted!

        October 15, 2017 at 6:58 pm
      • editor


        Well said. I posted the following comment – still not up there yet, but it is the Sabbath and maybe the administrator is observing it a tad more strictly that I’m doing right now, for here is my latest:



        If I were you, I’d stop digging.

        The fact that Communism appears to have ended in Russia, needs to be balanced against the reality of life there. The top men in the Russian government are former KGB officers – they’ve moved the deckchairs around, but it’s still the Titanic.

        And there are quotes (which, unfortunately I don’t have to hand nor do I have the time today to find them) which show that Russia is setting up the west with a false sense of security. Communist principles are not dead in Russia. Ask any of the investigative journalists murdered by the State. Oops, not possible, but you’ll get my drift. Check out YouTube – I’ve seen documentaries on the subject on TV so there must be something on the internet. Putin, great Christian that he is, apparently orders the execution of anyone who dares to check up on him.

        As for Our Lady not wanting or meaning that Russia would be converted to Catholicism, that is just beyond belief. You are saying, in effect, that “religious freedom” is a good thing, the right to choose what to believe, choose our own “religion”, when Christ came to establish His Church in order to give us that one and only means of salvation. The Orthodox is a schismatic “church” – that is, it is no church at all. Anyone who is saved, whether they realise it or not, is saved through the Catholic Church but the Fathers of the Church have warned us that anyone who – knowing the claims of the Church to be the one ark of salvation for all – refuse either to enter or to remain in her, cannot be saved. NO way was Our Lady meaning that there would be some new political freedoms or the possibility of choosing a false religion. That any Catholic would even think that, would beggar belief were we not living through this time of unique crisis in the Church, when Modernist Catholics are more common that the old-fashioned kind who adhere to the entire teaching of the Church. Sure, there have been other times of crises but never one like this, never.

        As for “Google any city in Russia” – are you not aware that the Russian people are certainly living as people in 21st century western nations, but, two things: Our Lady didn’t come, any more than Our Lord came, to urge us to work for a better standard of living, the right to vote for competing political philosophies, that’s number one. Secondly, pornography and abortion and other crimes are at an all time high in Russia. And you think this is what Our Lady wanted for Russia?

        And to answer your question specifically addressed to me: Our Lady didn’t ASK for us to re-consecrate ourselves to her each year; she didn’t ASK for the consecration of the world. She specifically asked for the Consecration of Russia – Russia having been the first ever nation to publicly deny the very existence of God. Russia is the special instrument of salvation chosen by God, and relayed to us via His Mother, the nation which must be restored to divine and Catholic Faith in order to be the instrument intended by God, which He will use to give us the promised period of peace in the world. Christ did not die on the Cross, did not send His Mother to earth in 1917, to make us more worldly, or to change His teaching about the one, true Church, the one, holy Catholic and apostolic Church by which He extends His grace to mankind.

        Clearly, Susan, with all due respect, you are not thinking, not remotely thinking, like a true Catholic. END.

        I can see there are bits and pieces above which are less than perfect, but I’m on a roll, remember, trying to make as many mistakes as possible in that all out effort to become a genius!


        October 15, 2017 at 7:37 pm
      • Athanasius


        Yours is a great response that will no doubt be posted on that forum tomorrow. I’m sorry I can’t post a copy of my responses, as I wrote them real time on the forum rather than in Word, as I should have.

        October 15, 2017 at 9:01 pm
      • Margaret USA

        It’s finally approved. I had to post under “Guest” because it wouldn’t allow me to post under my name.

        Great comments from you, Athanasius, Mary Nagy et al.

        Margaret 🇺🇸

        October 17, 2017 at 1:39 am
      • editor

        My latest comment on Les Femmes has been rejected because considered an “ad hominem” attack. Here it is, followed by Mary Ann Kreitzer’s (administrator) decision to close the thread and not publish my comment.


        Firstly, it was I – not Martin Blackshaw – who said that you are not thinking like a true Catholic and I stand by that. If anything, that fact is even more clear now, following your latest comments. Nobody thinking with a truly Catholic mind could possibly misinterpret world and Church events relating to Fatima, as you persistently do, ignoring all corrections.

        You clearly do not believe in the Fatima Message and prophecies. I am not going to waste another second trying to educate you in the matter, because I believe that you are now culpable, and will be held blameworthy for your ignorance. You have published an article on here which can be read all over the world, and which is utterly false and misleading. One day, Susan, you will have to account for that and you cannot claim ignorance now.

        Ignorance, in any case, is never a defence even in secular law, and it is no defence in the moral and religious order either, when information and corrections have been offered to you, but declined in an apparently stubborn determination to hold firm to your false beliefs.

        For, between us all, the rest of the bloggers here have given you hard facts, indisputable facts, straight from Our Lady’s lips – it was SHE who asked that the Holy Father, in union with all the bishops of the world, consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart in a specific manner, and you dismiss that as irrelevant, even referring to it mockingly.

        You appear to be in bad faith in this discussion and, as I say, I’m not going to continue to try to correct your errors. I recommend that you read Christopher Ferrara’s book False Friends of Fatima, to get a handle on what has been happening in the world and the Church to prevent the Consecration AND the disclosure of the full third part of the Fatima Message, which has come to be known as the Third Secret, due to the Vatican machinations and refusal to publish it.

        Nothing I have written here is intended to be offensive, but it is a lack of true charity to pretend that you are right or possibly right when you are manifestly wrong. Read the Ferrara Book as a matter of urgency – like, yesterday!

        God bless.


        Hi Folks,

        I’m closing down the comments here. Many GOOD people disagree on the consecration taking the “Yes, the consecration has been done.” or “No, the consecration has not been done.” position. There is no ex cathedra statement on Fatima. People are looking at the facts and coming to different conclusions. Even the saints came to different conclusions, sometimes conclusions that were in error. Pope John Paul II supported Marcel Maciel; St. John Vianney did not believe in the apparitions at La Salette for a time. Let us pray for one another that the Holy Spirit, through the intercession of the Blessed Mother, will enlighten our minds, help us to know the truth, and fill us with love for one another.

        I did not post one comment here because I thought it was an ad hominem. I respect Susan and I know she believes she is interpreting the facts correctly. There are many clergy who agree with her. I also respect the folks from Catholic Family News who do NOT believe the consecration has been done. There are many clergy who agree with them. We are all brothers and sisters and our disagreements need to be respectful. I think this conversation has, for the most part, been respectful, but at this point I think everyone has had their say and I only see the conversation deteriorating so I’m shutting it down. God bless you all.

        THE END

        October 17, 2017 at 12:22 pm
      • Nicky


        I don’t think your unpublished comment on Les Femmes is an ad hominem attack. There’s nothing personal in what you are saying, you stick with the issues and address the writer’s seeming culpability, which is fair enough after all the information the writer has been given by you and other bloggers.

        This is typical appeasement of the liberals, rather than deal with the plain truth that someone has to be right and someone has to be wrong – both sides cannot be right and the blog owner’s argument that “good” people exist on both sides, isn’t acceptable. Fatima is the most important event of the 20th century, it cannot be written off as not that important, we can all hold different views, not a problem,

        October 18, 2017 at 1:42 am
      • Margaret Mary

        RCA Victor,

        I’m relieved to hear it! Thanks for the clarification.

        October 15, 2017 at 9:26 pm
  • chloe

    As a practising Catholic, (why do I have to call myself a Traditionalist if I believe what Catholics used to believe ie ALL church Teachings), I have yet to come across any similar Catholic who treats other Catholics (in name only) with contempt. I myself have been the victim of scorn and ridicule for trying to inform/stand up for Church Teachings. This is just like the straw man scenario which Pope Francis and his bishops etc keep using to ridicule and isolate good Catholics so they can they can be thrown to the lynch mob.

    St. Thomas Aquinas taught that the lay faithful have the right, the absolute right to expect and demand not only sound doctrine but also good example on the part of the clergy and Church leaders. And, if they don’t get it, they also have the right to press for the reform and the removal of corrupt elements. If we don’t do this, we deserve what we get. God will punish both the men who do evil and the good that do nothing to stop the evil.


    October 13, 2017 at 12:39 pm
  • Josephine

    This is a video which helped me to reflect on the miracle of the sun. It’s only about 5 minutes long. I thought I’d post it here for others to watch, 100 years on to the day from when it actually occurred. These are real photos from the scene.

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBIs8cuIwTo&w=1131&h=636%5D

    October 13, 2017 at 1:43 pm
    • Michaela


      What a beautiful reflection. That is a lovely video, lovely music and photos.

      October 15, 2017 at 10:31 pm
  • Athanasius


    Thank you for posting that video, a refreshing reminder on this great anniversary. I wish everyone many blessings from Our Lady of Fatima on this momentous day, and I want to thank the Fatima Scotland group for the very charitable work they have been doing bringing the truth about Fatima to their deprived fellow Catholics, even if most did reject that truth.

    October 13, 2017 at 2:21 pm
  • Allan

    That is a beautiful video clip from Josephine, and I went on to read more about the miracle. This page from Wikipedia is very interesting – loads of well documented facts given. Reading the comments from people who were there – e.g. a poet – is profoundly moving. It’s an amazing thing to have happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun#cite_note-33

    October 13, 2017 at 2:55 pm
  • Theresa Rose


    It is indeed a beautiful video clip of the miracle of the sun. To think that 70,000 people present at Fatima who witnessed it, many of whom where 10 miles away from Fatima.

    It is also good to note that this event was reported by Avelino de Almeida, Editor-in-Chief of O Seculo, a liberal, anti-clerical and Masonic daily newspaper in Lisbon. He was in Fatima in person. One among others.


    October 13, 2017 at 3:32 pm
  • westminsterfly

    A blessed anniversary day to all of you. If anyone wants to join in the rosary live tonight, from the Capelinha where Our Lady appeared at Fatima, it starts at 9.30pm: Click on this link http://www.fatima.pt/en/pages/online-transmissions Warning: the multitude of languages can be a bit distracting, but I think it’s good to be united in prayer with those at the Shrine, on this important day

    October 13, 2017 at 4:04 pm
    • Margaret Mary

      Westminster Fly,

      Thank you for that information and link. That’s a great idea to mark the anniversary.

      October 13, 2017 at 4:10 pm
  • Spiritus

    I see from the Fatima shrine site that there is a CONCERT, no less, to celebrate the end of the centenary year. It takes place in the Basilica. Diabolical disorientation all right. It is increasingly common for Catholic churches to also be used as concert halls. Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us!

    October 13, 2017 at 7:49 pm
    • Athanasius


      I agree about these concerts in Catholic churches, it’s absolutely sacrilegious. They’re just like pagans now.

      October 14, 2017 at 12:18 am
      • Petrus


        I bet Our Lord would love to take a whip to them!

        October 14, 2017 at 7:36 am
  • RCAVictor

    I am looking forward very much to a candlelit Rosary Procession this evening with a beautiful statue of Our Lady of Fatima….and a beautiful way to also celebrate the Feast Day of St. Edward, who happens to be one of my patron saints. St. Edward, pray for us! Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us!

    And here Editor probably thought my middle name was “Argumentative”!

    October 13, 2017 at 9:33 pm
    • editor

      RCA Victor,

      We had a good crowd at Mass in our humble Glasgow chapel this evening and I had the delight of hearing my 4 year old niece lead a decade of the Rosary when I prayed it with my niece and her children after Mass. She did need a little help but it was a wonder, nevertheless, to hear her wee baby voice begin each prayer. She would normally be in bed by that time, but an exception was made this evening for the anniversary of the miracle.

      As for your middle name, RCA Victor, I’m going to let you in on a big secret. I had harboured hopes that you were to be my “Mr Right” – and then I discovered that your first name is “Always”… So, with “Argumentative” for a middle name, we’d have headed for the divorce courts in no time! 😀

      October 13, 2017 at 10:48 pm
      • Athanasius


        With the new rules of discernment under Pope Francis you don’t need to worry about divorce courts any more. Just search the conscience, come up with the answer that you’re not to blame, and Bob’s your uncle!!

        October 14, 2017 at 12:17 am
      • editor


        I think I could easily get away with pleading insanity at the time (sorry, RCA Victor) – but then…


        October 14, 2017 at 12:28 am
      • RCAVictor


        I must be crazy as well, since I’m constantly hearing voices. Even my money talks to me, but all it says is “Good-bye!”

        October 14, 2017 at 4:57 pm
  • Athanasius


    I could be a witness to your insanity, if you ever need one. I mean, what are friends for? With Christmas just around the corner, now is the time to update your CV with the addition of a Sanity Clause!

    October 14, 2017 at 10:10 am
    • editor


      I must be one of the few people, or perhaps the only person in the UK, to have a letter from a doctor testifying to my sanity.

      For that I have to thank the modernist Catholic Education establishment – long story, don’t ask!

      Still, I was never as bad as this guy…


      October 14, 2017 at 2:02 pm
      • RCAVictor


        Old Rodney Dangerfield joke:

        My psychiatrist told me to stop seeing him as there was nothing more he could do for me, I was completely crazy. I said “If you don’t mind, I’d like a second opinion.” He replied: “OK, you’re ugly, too!”

        October 14, 2017 at 4:55 pm
      • Athanasius

        RCA Victor

        Excellent! I’ll remember that one.

        October 15, 2017 at 12:07 pm
      • Athanasius


        I remember an SSPX priest telling me that he joined the SSPX as a seminarian back in the early 80s from his Modernist seminary because he was told that his devotion to Our Lady made him too distant from the people. He was also advised by his bishop to speak with a psychiatrist, the inference being that his piety was down to a mental disorder. You really couldn’t make this stuff up.

        On the subject, though, I was fortunate enough to go to a top school when I was young, I know that because it was “Approved”!

        October 15, 2017 at 12:10 pm
    • Margaret USA

      Here’s something for New Year’s Eve:



      October 15, 2017 at 3:28 am
  • RCAVictor

    Here is a fascinating article by Dr. Mattei, a historical review of the Fatima messages and the responses of the Popes to them. Among many details I did not know, here is one:

    On May 4th 1944, Pius XII instituted the Feast of the Immaculate Heart, to be celebrated on August 22nd and on May 13th 1946, he had the image of the Virgin crowned by his legate, Cardinal Benedetto Aloisi Masella. On October 13th 1951, the Pope closed the Holy Year by sending Cardinal Federico Tedeschini to Fatima as Papal legate. In his speech the Cardinal revealed that on the eve of the definition of the dogma of the Assumption, October 30th 1950, Pius XII had seen in the Vatican gardens , the same “dance of the sun” which 70,000 pilgrims had witnessed at Fatima on October 13th 1917. The miracle was repeated before the eyes of Pope Pacelli on October 31st and November 8th of the same year.

    Dr. Mattei does state that none of the nine Popes since 1917 have complied with Our Lady’s requests, although he does state this about 2/3 of the way down:

    Sister Lucia, at least until 1989, said that she was dissatisfied with this consecration, but subsequently changed her mind and said she considered John Paul’s act to be valid [60]. It is difficult to understand, however, why this consecration was valid and the ones of Pius XII – just as incomplete – were not. John Paul II was the first Pope to have a meeting with Sister Lucia and we can imagine that perhaps he had convinced her the prophecy of Fatima would have been fulfilled under his pontificate.

    [Footnote 60 says this in part: In a letter to her sister Bélem of August 29, 1989, Lucia declared that the consecration done by the Pope on March 25, 1985, satisfied the requests of Our Lady.] [However, I believe that The Fatima Center and others have determined that this letter was a fake – ?]

    Despite this statement, he concludes correctly that the Consecration has not taken place as requested.

    October 14, 2017 at 7:51 pm
  • RCAVictor

    Forgot to post the link: https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2017/10/de-mattei-fatima-100-years-later-marian.html

    Also, I wonder how often, if ever, the numerous listings and analyses of the “errors of Russia” have included her very first error: her rebellion against Rome and the resulting schism. This error, which amounts to a non serviam towards Rome, seems to me to be the real basis for the second, most often discussed error: atheistic Communism, which is a non serviam towards God.

    October 14, 2017 at 7:55 pm
  • Margaret USA

    Dear Madame Editor,

    Your comment of 17 October 2017 at 12:22 pm was a knockout! As they say on this side of the pond, you’re one gutsy lady ;-).

    I had to learn the hard way that some people don’t want to be helped and they won’t listen no matter how much you reason with them. Only the grace of God can touch that type of person.

    God bless!

    Yours in Christ the King,


    October 17, 2017 at 6:23 pm
  • Lily

    The American Cardinal Burke was giving a talk at a Conference in England marking the miracle of the sun. It’s good to see that he now realises that the Consecration has not been done and the Third Secret not yet fully revealed.

    He also points out that the Third Secret is not about nuclear war but about the crisis in the Church. At last, better late than never, a cardinal publicly acknowledging that.

    October 18, 2017 at 11:54 pm

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