USA: Gun Control Or People Control?
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Comments (30)
What strikes me about Tucker’s analysis, is that he is the first TV newsman I’ve heard linking the collapse of the family to this sort of violence, notably the fact that a generation of boys are growing up without fathers: “Fatherlessness is a feature common to many mass shooters…”
Indeed, his commentary about men “not thriving” (to say the least) these days, is very revealing.
A refreshing study of the possible roots of these mass shootings, reaching out to wider social and moral ills, contrasts starkly with the mantra for “gun control”. Tucker’s commentary on the Australian gun ban is informative. Not what we’re getting here in the UK folks. Again and again, I’m finding that I just don’t trust the UK media – one little bit. To the right or to the left, it’s not to be trusted, or so it seems to l’il ole moi… (I do that, sometimes, mix my American and French accents… đ )
A typical Catholic Truth Scotland response…
17 more teachers and children murdered in yet another School shooting…on Ash Wednesday!!
Most other traditional Catholic forums and social media outlets offer words of support and comfort, prayers and empathy for the families and children. As well as discussing calls for restrictions on military weapons being sold to teenagers and people with mental health problems.
Meanwhile this blog offers…
A smiley emoji and a glib and jokey response about; “lil’ ole moi and French accents…”
A strident defence of gun ownership and the promotion of Fox News.
Some garbled nonsense about how shootings might be the fault of one parent families or perhaps absent fathers, or the Internet, or antidepressants or something?
In reality, the Republicans last 5 Pro-gun bills have made it possible for Nicolas Cruz to be able to purchase a gas mask, smoke grenade and an AK 47 with extra magazines. All while under the age of 21 and still in high school.
Expect too see literally hundreds of more school shootings on a regular basis now that these restrictions have been removed.
These shootings come from a love of ‘laisse faire society’, liberalism and a libertarianism which let’s people buy, sell, do and kill whatever they like. The same liberalism which permits abortion and you are cheerleaders for it.
Well done, CTS has somehow managed to reach a new low (which is quite the achievement). And to be fair, Tucker Carson is correct when he says that too much time on the Internet warps the mind. Perhaps the editor could take his advice.
ChrzeĹcian KrĂłla
Yes, it was remiss of me not to express my/our sincere condolences and prayers for the victims of the Florida shooting and their friends, families and fellow students. I apologise for that. However, it seems that sometimes we’re “damned if we do, and damned if we don’t”… Student Sarah Chadwick, who was at the school during the attack, responded to Donald Trump with a vehement demand for action – she denounced his condolences: âI donât want your condolences you f—ing (piece) of s—, my friends and teachers were shot. Multiple of my fellow classmates are dead,â Chadwick wrote. âDo something instead of sending prayers. Prayers wonât fix this. But gun control will prevent it from happening again.â Her attack on the President is widely reported in the media today, but, notwithstanding her nasty verbal assault on the President and her faithless words about prayer, I repeat my apology for being so remiss and do, of course, offer my condolences to those affected by this tragedy and assure you that they are, of course, in my prayers, for what they are worth.
I must, however, correct other allegations in your comment, the first from you on this blog, although you refer to “a typical Catholic Truth response” so I presume that you are a reader, albeit not a sympathetic reader, of our blog.
I make no defence of gun ownership, strident or otherwise, although I do respect the right of the American people to their own Constitution, and that amendment (2) which allows gun ownership, just as I respect the Irish people’s right to keep and defend article 8 of theirs, which protects the right of the unborn baby to life.
Nor do we “promote” Fox News. Where I find a commentator who can think independently, who can challenge the “politically correct” propaganda, I will publish them on those occasions where the topic is of interest to our bloggers and readers – some of whom are American citizens. And given that there are NO such news anchors or commentators in the UK, newsmen like Tucker Carlson help fill a huge vacuum for us in the countries of the UK. CNN – on the other hand – is a typical news broadcaster, about as trustworthy as any of the Great Bank Robbers you care to name. Google “CNN caught lying” or “CNN caught lying again” and see the list of reports on the subject grow before your very eyes. I wonder if you prefer CNN to Fox News?
Your dismissal of Tucker’s commentary on the social deprivations which may be contributing to these mass shootings is revealing (not to say, shocking) and suggests a “following of the crowd” mentality. The usual suspects (CNN & ilk) call for gun control which even they admit won’t solve the problem overnight, and thus the dead fish go with the flow, as the saying goes. Those – like Tucker Carlson – who can think for themselves, study the issues more deeply, naughty them. Tut, tut.
We’ve had blogs on America’s gun laws before. I think my own position is quite clear. I’ve never lived in the USA and I’m on public record as saying that the two things that would have prevented me moving to that beautiful continent are (1) their guns laws and (2) their private health system.
That doesn’t mean that I don’t appreciate why they hold to their second amendment rights, nor does it mean that I will necessarily blame gun-ownership for these mass shootings. I like to keep an open mind as to ALL the ingredients which make someone act so irrationally; I refuse to be blind (or silenced by political correctness) to the fact that our “liberal… do what you like… it’s your choice” societies, which have resulted in fatherless families and other social deprivations DO account, in large part, I would say, for the increased violence within contemporary western societies like the USA and the UK.
That’s why it was refreshing to hear that clip from Tucker Carlson’s show – he’s the only commentator I’ve heard suggesting that maybe our “liberal” societies have a part to play in the increased violence we are witnessing today. Most commentators merely recite the gun control mantra, apparently uncaring about the fact that even if guns were withdrawn and banned tomorrow, those with sick minds and violent tendencies like Nicholas Cruz would still have sick minds and violent tendencies.
As for my concluding jokey remark – I tend to use small opportunities to lighten the mood, with no intention to offend. I apologise for offending you, and anyone else who interprets my earlier comment as you have done. I don’t as you suggest, “spend too much time on the internet” – far from it. I generally check in here earlyish morning and late at night, sometimes popping in a bit more often if I’m around, but I’ve too many other duties to which I have to attend day and daily to become an internet addict, so don’t worry about that. In any event, I type extremely fast (an old Pitman’s Certificate from many years ago records my then typing speed at 78 wpm – I’ve speeded up since then…) so even when I am on, I’m off in double quick time! If my mind is warped, as you hint, it’s not because I’m spending too much time on the internet. It’s because I refuse to drink in propaganda, whether it’s on abortion or gun control. I’m with Charles Dickens: “Facts, facts, facts… give [us] nothing but facts.”
Thank you for popping by.
Editor,
I see your critic has gone silent. Bravo!
Ed as you pointed out to the American Lady or Gent . Most of the deaths caused by these Terrorists will be caused one way or another. What I find funny and not in The Ha Ha sense is now there are lots of people blaming President Trump the same people who wouldn’t blame Obama or Clinton . You have Obama doing the rounds of talks where he could condemn ANTIFA yet refuses to do so . You have Clinton taking part in Marches condemning Trump but not condemning ANTIFA. I am on the Internet a lot and there is noway that the Right will give up their guns and who can blame them . If the Left moved in on the Right and made them give up their gun in the U.S there would be Civil War . In nearly all presidential elections after the Election was over most People got behind the President at least for the good of the Country this certainly has not happened here . That Trump won upset the Applecart as far as the Globalists like Soros were concerned . Also to the Person in question I didn’t see you on here ONCE condemning Muslims Terrorist killings or people like Linda Sarsour who publicly call Our for Terror and killing. Perhaps you should point that finger at your own defects before going after someone else .
ChrzeĹcian KrĂłla
I can’t find any Catholic blogs that are even reporting this shooting. I’ve just been to a view, and found only one article ant that’s at the Remnant, a very popular traditional American blog. There is a good article there, but no mention of condolence or prayers. I’ve copied an extract below:-
“Our problemâthe problem of America in 2018âis not that we have over 300 million guns; our problem is not âa history of violence and a âwild-westâ approach to settling our differences.â
Can you recall or name oneâjust oneâinstance of a school massacre from the 1950s? There werenât any. Indeed, when I went to elementary school, all the doors were open and accessible. Anyone, basically, could walk inâanyone could have entered and threatened or attacked us. But the simple fact is: no one did. We did not have police patrolling the hallways; we did not have metal detectors; we did not have âgrief counsellorsâ (because we did not need them).
Back then almost all schoolchildren, white and black, came from two parent families. Despite poverty, which wasnât restricted by race, the family was central to all education, and the role of our public schools was, rightly, considered as an extension of the natural educative duties of the family, and not so much of the state (although an acute observer could see what was occurring). And the curriculum, in spite of newer trends, still harked back to fundamentalsâreading, writing, arithmetic, proficiency in trades, ability to communicate. Not all students were capable of college; indeed, a solid high school education with good pre-professional preparation was oftentimes a surer guide to later success.
Before the advent of a multiplicity of cable and satellite offerings, television offered a choice of three, perhaps four channels each night. Students and their families grew up watching, when permitted, programs like âLife is Worth Livingâ (with Bishop Fulton Sheen), âFather Knows Best,â âMy Three Sons,â âGunsmoke,â âTo Tell the Truth,â âThe Bell Telephone Hour,â and âI Love Lucyâ: programs to amuse and entertain, to elevate the mind, and also, on occasion, emphasize the importance of doing right and avoiding wrong. There was, so to put it, a more or less agreed-upon standard or idea of national decency, a kind of âpublic orthodoxyâ which prevailed generally. And in large degree it derived from the nationâs heritage and inherited religious faith which despite a major depression, social dislocation and two world wars, still obtained.
https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/3735-the-broward-county-school-shooting-and-our-post-christian-society
CHRZE
Could you tell me how many lives that must have been saved because of American gun laws? I suppose one thousand individual incidents where a life was saved isn’t as newsworthy as a mass shooting.
Having said that, this was a terrible tragedy and I pray for the repose of the souls of the poor innocent victims and for their loved ones but taking guns off law-abiding citizens and leaving them, albeit illegally, in the hands of criminals doesn’t seem to make sense to me.
If there were no guns, what happens next? Confiscate heavy trucks, cars, knives, crossbows, even acid? Any one of these can do as equal a job as a gun.
Maybe if every country in the world, especially the holier-than-thou UK, actually stopped making them altogether, we would have the perfect solution.
There are mentally ill people in every country of the world. Only in America do we see tragedies like Parkland, Newtown, Las Vegas on and on again. We have guns, they don’t!
Mass shootings in the US: there have been 1,624 in 1,870 days, Why? GUNS!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/oct/02/america-mass-shootings-gun-violence
Mr K,
In the Carlson video, he points out that they had guns 40 years ago and none of these mass shootings, so it can’t just be guns that’s the problem. There has to be other factors.
Mr K
I think the question should be how rather than why?
I may be wrong but I assume that is 1,624 people rather than shootings, so I wonder how many abortions have been carried out in the same timescale of almost 2,000 days, even in the more “civilised” countries, without anyone even raising an eyebrow.
I would be willing to bet that all the countries who are condemning America regarding their gun laws will have an equal amount, if not more, of REALLY
INNOCENT humans murdered as has America, and by so-called healers.
Even in Scotland alone I would say that 1,624 abortions in 1,870 days should merit great rejoicing. Those figures, of less than one a day, are almost eliminating abortion altogether.
Perspective? Ye cannae beat it!
Frankier,
Well said. I think this former USA President agrees with you – big time!
http://i.pinimg.com/736x/ea/f9/9d/eaf99d159ec985e000cac8f6752f66c9.jpg
A great poster – love it!
I agree, it’s not the “guns” to blame – as pointed out in the video, the percentage of American homes with guns has dropped dramatically in the past 35 years, and nobody can deny the rise of so-called liberal values that has led to single mother and career mother homes and the feminist movement efforts to demonise men and make them redundant in every imaginable way possible. Those libertarians in the media and government who allowed this to happen (and still encourage it as if it is quite normal) are greatly responsible for this increase in violence. Frankly, so is the Church whose bishops have kept quiet during these years when sexual misbehaviour has been running rampant, instead of calling out the immorality and warning of the likely consequences in this world as well as in the world to come.
Saying that, I can’t imagine living in a place where everyone and anyone can go out and buy a gun. I suppose that’s a cultural thing.
Modern society is very good at blaming the wrong cause, or condemning false causes. Blaming mass murders on guns is like someone blaming food manufacturers for being overweight. How about knife control, since knives kill people as well? How about vehicle control, since Muslim terrorists are now driving vehicles into crowds of people?
The particular problem with these horrifying incidents is that existing gun control laws are not enforced, so to claim that we need more gun control laws is absurd. The universal problem is that society is cultivating mental illness and depravity through various and pervasive media, including social media. There is an entire industry selling depicted violence, bombarding us with it daily, and making huge profits.
This predictable and tiresome call for gun control is just another way of avoiding looking in the mirror, and avoiding responsibility. There is also another factor here, I think, and that is demonic possession. Look up a picture of the kid who committed these murders, and look at his eyes. He is possessed. Apparently he has been so for several years, at least.
I thought this article was an excellent commentary on these outbreaks of insanity: https://stream.org/why-are-you-surprised/
RCA Victor,
Fabulous post! You are so right. I read the “Stream” article and this jumped out at me: “You tell me murder in the womb is a choice. Why cry when I chose murder outside the womb? Why are you surprised?”
Thank you for helping to clarify my thoughts. The “guns must go” lobby is shallow thinking at its most shallow! The problem is much deeper and you have hit that nail on the head.
RCA Victor,
“Blaming mass murders on guns is like someone blaming food manufacturers for being overweight.”
Super correct!
I’m really interested in what you say about Nicholas Cruz’s eyes because I found myself mesmerized by them – there’s something really sinister in those eyes. When you say he is possessed and apparently has been so for several years, at least, are you speaking factually or figuratively? Is there a source – I tried to find one on a quick Google just now but with no success.
Nicky,
I don’t have any factual evidence that he is possessed other than his evil deeds, his history, and his eyes, but I’d lay pretty good odds that demonic possession is involved here.
Meanwhile, here’s Catholic Family News’ take on this, highlighting Big Pharma and the attempt to hang this on “Christianity”: https://www.catholicfamilynews.org/blog/2018/2/16/drugs-guns-fake-news-and-christian-supremacy-the-school-shooting-in-parkland-florida
The UK is one of the most violent countries out there, and we’ve not got permission to own guns
http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2013/01/11/britain-the-most-violent-country-in-europe-violence-rate-is-4-36-times-worse-than-in-the-u-s/
As others have said, it’s not just the weapon of choice to blame (knife crime is very high in the UK) – there’s a lot more going on here, and I agree with Tucker Carlson about the decimation of morals in our society and the new PC nonsense. Also, at least in the USA convicts get punished with lengthy jail sentences. Here, it’s the equivalent of a slap on the wrist. It’s downright ridiculous.
Lots I’d like to answer in the comments posted since my visit this morning, but no time – just want to say please do not be too hard on our “critics” – they made reasonable points, unlike the trolls who pop in from time to time – and that makes for a thorough airing of the issues. So, thank you, ChrzeĹcian KrĂłla, and Mr K.
And thanks to everyone who posted links – I’ve checked each one, and all very interesting. The Catholic Family News link (thanks, RCA Victor) is of particular interest, and I recommend everyone to read that if you’ve not already done so. Planting seeds of the dangers of “Christian Supremacy” is, indeed, the ultimate aim of the enemies of the Faith leading the PC march towards total secularism – the ultimate “fake news” – so it’s a really very important article, highly recommended. Read it immediately, if not sooner!
I found an article on gun control – reasons for and against gun control laws, which I thought would be interesting to post. http://listverse.com/2013/12/12/10-arguments-against-gun-control/
Last night, just after 9pm, I switched on Sky TV news to find a live broadcast from the White House, where Donald Trump was sitting with a large group of American citizens, including parents and students invited to give their ideas about how to end the tragedy of school shootings.
My eyebrows were raised right away by the several students who began their responses by thanking the President for inviting them, adding that they admired him and liked the “direction” (they all used the same word) which his presidency was taking.
None of these students have been reported on the news in the UK. Not one. There’s been no mention of the fact that several young people praised and thanked the President and clearly approved of his presidency. Utterly dishonest. I was telling a friend about this and the response was to ask me what on earth I expected, since the mainstream media reporters are “a bunch of liars”. Goodness, I couldn’t possibly say that. Too judgmental đ
One student, after a similarly positive introductory comment, became upset and said he wouldn’t feel safe going back to school. He referred to the Australian solution, where action against gun ownership was taken after a school shooting in 1999, adding that there had not been any school shootings since that time.
This clip, needless to say, they’ve been showing on the news here all day, with the introductory remarks edited out.
Then one parent (you can see him sitting to the right of the President in the clip below) spoke to say that his suggestion would be controversial. He noted that when these shootings take place, it takes up to 8 minutes for first responders to arrive at the scene, by which time many deaths have occurred. He suggested arming teachers and others in the school so that, as soon as the shooter appears, a responsible adult can reach for his/her firearm and shoot the intruder.
All day, this has been billed as “Trump calls for armed teachers in schools.” At no point, in any news broadcasts that I’ve seen so far today (and I’ve made a point of watching a few for the sole purpose of double-checking this) has it been reported that the suggestion came, NOT from Donald Trump but from a parent. Trump’s comments – directed TO the parent, as you can see in the film below – amount to polite affirmation that the parent has a point, that something effective needs to be tried and tested. Here’s the blurb which appears under the YouTube video clip which I’ve posted below…
DISHONEST BLURB POSTED WITH THE VIDEO BELOW…
US President Donald Trump suggested on Wednesday (21 February) that arming teachers could help prevent massacres such as last week’s mass shooting at a Florida high school. He voiced support for the idea during an emotional White House meeting with students who survived the shooting and a parent whose child did not.
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQl1rpFgaFw&w=854&h=480%5D
Finally, folks, for your interest, I emailed Sky News this morning – here’s the text of my anything-but-polite message to that bunch of charlatans…
EMAIL TO SKY NEWS…
I canât find any way to lodge a complaint online, so using this email address to say that I watched the entire Trump meeting last night, and now, seeing your reporting of it, I am appalled at your blatant dishonesty, though, aware of your hatred of Trump, not really surprised. You really donât seem to have heard the old adage âcredit where creditâs dueâ â he didnât need to invite those people into the White House to hear their concerns, but he did. Your nasty highlighting of his short reminder list is typical and underlines the fact that your reports on anything to do with this presidency simply cannot be trusted.
You do not mention, for example, that student after student praised Donald Trump, said they liked the âdirectionâ in which he was going. That surely merited a mention â but no, your blatant hatred of Trump, wouldnât allow you to be dispassionate in giving him credit for holding this meeting let alone report that the young people present praised his presidency. Even the boy whom you keep showing, who suggested the Australian solution of removing guns from circulation, said that he respected the second amendment. He wasnât suggesting removing all guns, just said that all ideas should be considered. Your editing of comments is disgraceful but then Iâve come not to expect any more from Sky, which I find myself watching less and less these days. I check out reliably objective reporting online, notably from Tucker Carlson Tonight, after watching your reporting of anything to do with America. I just donât trust Skyâs American reporters at all.
Your reporting of the suggestion to arm teachers is utterly dishonest. The suggestion came from a parent, not from Trump. Donald Trump told the parent that this suggestion has been put by others and that it will be considered with the rest, and he went on to agree that it would help given that first responders canât get to the scene for up to 7-8 minutes by which time many deaths may have occurred. Hardly âendorsingâ. If anything, it was a polite acknowledgement that it was an idea worth considering.
The bias and bigotry of your reporters, especially the USA reporters, is blatant. I watch Sky less and less, as Iâve said, because these people compare completely unfavourably with the professionalism (and evident honesty) of newsmen like Tucker Carlson in the USA who has, himself, called out the bias and dishonesty of most of the mainstream media, while acknowledging that Trump is not perfect. I prefer such balanced, truthful reporting over Sky news any day.
Finally, one of the reasons I watched the entire White House meeting last night was precisely for the reason of comparing it to your later reporting of it. I was spot on. You have completely distorted the meeting but I take comfort in the fact that I cannot be the only person in the UK to see your bias exposed for what it is. Indeed, I find that the most common reaction among friends when I tell them that I tend to watch Sky News more than the other broadcasts is entirely negative, with a puzzled âwhy on earthâŚâ Your reputation goes before you. END.
Phew! I feel much better now!
The MSM are continuing to lie about this following Trump’s tweets saying he did not suggest arming teachers, – e.g. “At a White House listening session on gun violence Wednesday, Trump raised the idea of arming some teachers with concealed weapons.”
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-pushes-back-on-arming-teachers/ar-BBJt6RM?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=spartandhp
These people are liars to their core. I wouldn’t trust them to tell me the time of day, without checking my watch first.
This is a very interesting article on the morality of guns.
https://www.thecatholicthing.org/2018/02/24/on-the-morality-of-gun-control/
Here’s Tucker again, broadcast 23 Feb – anyone heard ANY of this reported on the UK news…. anywhere?
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJKnknpABFg&w=1131&h=636%5D
Don’t miss the feminist nutcase at 24.35 ff arguing that the word “man” must be eliminated, even to the point where cities have to change their name, and “woman” becomes “person”. Crackers.
Editor,
The press in this country are so biased it is criminal. The sad thing is that the vast majority of the population blindly believe everything they read in the newspapers.
Petrus,
“Criminal” is the word. This clip is short and speaks for itself. I think Tucker mentions the scripting scandal in the above report, but this is a clip where the student, himself, speaks about it. Unbelievable.
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaW6qZWA5gU&w=1131&h=636%5D
I don’t watch that much news these days – I just don’t trust the reporting. That student has just confirmed my scepticism.
Rename “Manhattan” – is she for real?
Can anyone figure this out?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-cpac-school-shooters-arm-teachers-gunman-parkland-concealed-carry-students-gun-control-a8225621.html
Some idea about concealed weapons, cannot figure out how you could conceal a weapon unless hidden under a jacket which would visible anyway, or tucked in a belt.
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