Honduras Exodus: Christian Charity Or Firm Political Solution Required?editor
The Bishops of Honduras are concerned about the serious migration crisis of thousands of Hondurans who are leaving the country. The caravan now has arrived in Mexico, and the US government has announced retaliation and forbidden their entry.
In a statement also sent to Fides News Agency, the Episcopal Conference of Honduras defines the mobilization of so many people a “human tragedy” and expresses pain and concern for the delicate situation created.
“It is a shocking reality, caused by the current situation in our country, which forces a multitude to leave what little it has, venturing without any certainty for the migration route to the United States, with the desire to reach the promised land, the ‘American dream’, which allows them to solve their economic problems and improve their living conditions, for them and their families and, in many cases, to ensure the long-awaited physical security”, reads the document.
The Bishops, therefore, ask the Honduran government to intervene as soon as possible and stop the country’s crisis, a crisis never seen in the history of the Central American nation. “It is the duty of the Honduran State to provide its citizens with the means to satisfy their basic needs, such as decent, stable and well-paid work, health, education and housing, and when these conditions do not exist, people are forced to live in tragedy and many of them hope to undertake a path that leads to development and improvement, finding themselves in the shameful and painful need to leave their families, their friends, their community, their culture, their environment, and their land”, emphasizes the declaration.
“We were deaf to the cries of their rights and blind to see that reality. The news of this caravan is the massive form of thousands of people, mostly young people, who go with the hope of obtaining sufficient resources to transform Honduras”, the text continues.
In conclusion, the Bishops thank the neighboring countries for the reception and the aid provided towards Hondurans, reminding everyone of the Pope’s request: “welcome, protect, promote and integrate migrants”.
In the last hours, according to local information, the group of the caravan increases, now there are more than 7 thousand, but also the tension on the border with the United States increases, after the insistent warnings of the American President himself. The caravan of the migrants has also created some social tension in Mexico: a group of Mexicans, in fact, welcomed them by providing them with help, while other Mexicans do not agree with the so-called “arrogance” with which they want to enter the United States. Source – Zenit…
Are the bishops correct in placing the responsibility for the material well-being of its citizens on the Honduran State? And what next, now that these economic migrants are heading for the American border in their thousands: should they be welcomed with open arms (and all those who are likely to follow) – is that Christian charity? Or is the American President right to warn against illegal entry into the U.S.A? Is it uncharitable to enforce immigration laws against poor people seeking a better deal in this world? How do we, as Catholics, know what is right in this situation?
Here’s Tucker Carlson commenting on the caravan.
Note: Nancy Pelosi, who says it’s “immoral” to build a wall, thinks it’s perfectly moral to murder babies in their mother’s womb. She’s a “Catholic”.
Of course they should be allowed to come in after all I see Rosie O Donnell after Pelosi being the chief females wanting this as 98% are Young Men maybe ( even though Rosie is a Dyke her words ) their looking for a Boyfriend
All joking aside though and this is no joke .One doesn’t start on a Few Thousand mile journey without provisions this is well organised just as the Economic Muslim invasion of Europe was well organised. I read on the Horrible BBC web that People along the way were giving them Food and Water . I actually thought that I was going to read that the Leader of the Mob when they Sat Down for a Break was going to shout “Has anyone Any Food ” and a small Boy came up to him and said ” Sir I have 5 Barley Loaf’s and 2 Fish ” and the Mob sat down ate their Food but just littered the Landscape with the Leftovers. Who are the Media trying to Fool my God everyone knows who’s behind this and it’s Soros. There would be 100s dying on the road from thirst and starvation if this Army weren’t fed . President Trump has to really stop this Mob at source and not at the Border .
Also if Pelosi. O Donnell. Obamas and Clintons want this Mob in make sure a few 100 at least are made camp outside their Many Mansions. As for Francis and his Immigration stance I think most of us have had enough of his Marxist views to last a Lifetime for God’s sake man give us a Break from Your Views at least for a week. And by the way if not liking Muslims makes one a Racist then I am one. I would help my fellow man but not if helping him means when I do that he is going to turn and tell me how I Should Live My Life.
Tucker, as ever, hits the nail on the head.
But I’d love to know if he was baptised Tucker or if that is a nickname. Does anyone know – sorry for going off topic, but I keep meaning to ask this, LOL!
That’s a very interesting question – I wonder if Tucker IS his real name. When I get a minute, I’ll try to find that out. In the meantime, we’ll just call him “Tucker”… 😀
I looked him up on Wikipedia: his full name is Tucker Swanson McNear Carlson (yikes!) and he appears to be an Episcopalian blueblood.
With a name like that, he should just open up a blog, so he can simply call himself “Editor”…..
Love it – open a blog so he can call himself “Editor” – LOL!
St Thomas Aquinas doesn’t agree with Pope Francis on the immigration issue:- https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2017/01/31/saint-thomas-aquinas-opposed-open-borders and I know who I’d rather listen to . . .
This truly is a strange forum of so-called True Catholic. When it comes to Sex Education,for example, it advocates putting Catholic morals before the laws of the country. It does likewise on abortion, and on Marriage, but when it comes to Hondurans wanting to enter the USA 77% say NO, Why? because it is ILLEGAL. Foget the moral obligation we have to our fellow Brothers and Sisters in Christ. Trump says it’s ILLEGAL, end of story! There was I believing for years, that God made the world for ALL OF MANKIND. I would take the Word of God, before Pope Francis,OR St Thomas Aquinas.
I don’t know or have seen you much on this Site. Well yes we are Catholics and yes we support all Christian Values even helping the Immigrant of which the Liberals and Marxist although make plenty of noise until it comes to putting their hands in their pockets. So al ask you a question. We’ll let’s say you live in Perth and 7000 Immigrant’s 98%of which are young Army aged fit Men and strong Human Beings I hope you would practice what you preach and rush into the Streets to welcome them and offer them Free Bed . Free Clothing and Free Food . Also for the very few Children i would hope you would remove your Children from the Local School’s and give the Immigrant Children their place . Also am sure as you would be so kind to give up yours and your Family’s next Doctors and Dentists appointment after all these Poor People have walked thousands of miles and badly need medIcal treatment. Last but most certainly not least. Would you welcome the Murderer’s Theives and Rapists among them into your Town and into your Home without question. After all it would be hard to question them as nearly all will not speak the Language. If your willing to do the above get in touch with me and al Fax Pope Francis straight away and propose you for Sainthood. You really are the perfect Christian.
I can’t wait to read Dano’s reply to your reply! Spot on!
Mind you, “Saint Dano” has something of a ring to it… Hmmmm…
I, and plenty others, would have no problem whatsoever, welcoming any immigrants to my City, and to share in all the resources it has to offer, NOT because I am a Saint, but simply because it is what God commands of us. Even people who have no believe in God, would do so , using basic humanity. What is really interesting here, is the introduction of the thief,and the rapists, just like the Pro abortionists! What about the poor girl that’s raped? even though such cases account for less than 0.005% of all abortions, yet they still use it as justification for their evil,just as you do! Being Christian isn’t always easy, having to share things with families isn’t always fun, let alone sharing with strangers, but it IS what we are asked to do by GOD, AND IF YOU CANNOT SEE THAT, THEN SORRY , BUT YOU ARE NOT AND CANNOT CALL YOURSELF CATHOLIC!
So if an entire population – let’s say our cousins down in England – decided, for whatever reason, to up sticks and head en masse for Scotland, you would have no problem with that, notwithstanding the pressures we are already suffering through lack of housing, NHS in crisis and over-subscribed schools? Thousands and thousands of people heading for the Scottish border, not a problem. Really?
I’d gladly swap Glasgow for the Lake District, but on a more serious level. the entire population of England wouldn’t want to come to Scotland, or vice versa, unless there was a major reason to do so. The Thames barrier fails, causing mass flooding ,an absolute disaster, if that was to happen, leaving millions homeless. Do we really leave these millions at the Border, seriously? Do we? Taking them in will have grave consequences on our housing, our health services, our food supplies (We’d probably have to put on more Masses on a Sunday) etc, etc So? Do we leave them standing at the Border? after all many Countries cope with flooding on an annual basis, so? what say you?
We’re not talking about emergency situations but economic migrants. If the entire English population suddenly made the (huge) mistake of thinking life in Scotland is better and decided to come up and flood (no pun intended) the country for the sake of making a better living, would you still be happy with the situation.
Of course you would! PC Dano – and I don’t mean to imply that you are a copper!
Dano my post to you of which you answered with Forked Tounge was not would you Share your Home your Food your Schools and Hospitals Etc but was would you be prepared to give them all up . Also you say that as ” Catholics ” you find it strange that we would oppose Abortion and Marriage of which I assume you mean Homosexual Marriage which is not a Marriage at all . I also find it strange then that you wouldn’t want to impose these self same Abortion Laws on the people in the Caravan. After all it seems YOU very much approve of getting rid of a so called unwanted Pregnancy. If the same Law that YOU so like here was to be Applied to The Caravan then there are many if not Thousands of so called Unwanted Pregnancys amongst them and if your Hypothesis was carried out in Honduras it would most certainly reduce it to the 100s . Also you go on about us being against Government Sex Education again I assume you mean Mass Birth Control. So again applying this Hypothesis to the Caravan it would then be reduced from the 100s to maybe just a Dozen or so . My parting advice then to YOU would be take those Moral Laws of Scotland to Honduras and Venezuela the problem is solved and you won’t have to give up anything.
I am Totally against Abortion, Same sex marriage , State enforced sex education. don’t know how you manage to come to that conclusion. What I said was that just as pro abortionists use rape as a justification for abortion others use the possibility of a rapist being amongst a group of 3 or 4 thousand immigrants, to refuse entry
It seems to me that you are somewhat confused when it comes to the question of migrants. The moral obligation of nations is to receive refugees fleeing potential harm or death, not masses of economic migrants hoping to barge their way into another country without due process.
While the situation in Honduras is bad economically, a tragedy that the Honduran government must be brought to book for, there is no way a caravan of migrants of the size spoken of can be explained other than as a tactic of liberal forces attempting to put American immigration back in the spotlight before the mid-term elections.
If only more people would weigh these issues with an objective eye, using the intelligence God gave them instead of reacting with raw emotion, which the liberal left is expert in arousing.
It is absolutely not possible for countries to just take away their borders and allow thousands, even tens of thousands or millions of unknown aliens to enter into their society. This is common sense. The proper procedure is for potential migrants to apply for asylum through the proper channels of the country they wish to move to.
In this case we simply see tens of thousands of mostly young, fit men marching to the U.S. intent on crossing the border without due process while refusing offers from Mexico to accomodate them. This is highly suspicious, as are the follow-on carivans presently being prepared in Honduras to keep the line running and the pressure on. It is exactly the same method we have been witnessing in Europe for years with mass economic migration from North Africa and the Middle East flooding the Continent, mostly with Muslims. I repeat, these people are not asylum seekers from persecution, they are economic migrants. In some cases they are terrorists taking full advantage of the liberal madness that is encouraging this mass-migration lunacy.
When I was in Rome earlier this year I noticed the increased military presence on the streets and the airport-style security at the basilicas. The reason for this is the mass Muslim immigration that has been allowed to happen in Italy to the extent that the authorities have no idea how many terrorists came in at Lampadusa with the crowds and are are now on edge awaiting a terrorist attack. This is insanity!
No, President Trump is absolutely right to close the border to these migrants and to all the other hundreds of thousands we know will be sent to flood the U.S should they be successful. America is a fair country that has a compassionate process for genuine asylum seekers. That’s the process genuine asylum seekers should use, thyey should not allow themselves to be made pawns of criminal traffickers and their liberal bosses who only want to cause political problems for Trump. Someone is organising this scam in Honduras, that is very obvious.
Disobeying a law that is meant to corrupt children, is a good thing. Disobeying another law that is intended to keep order in the country and monitor who is walking the streets, is a bad thing.
I can’t see any conflict with Christianity in monitoring who is coming into the country, but if you can show me where, in “the Word of God” (do you mean just the bible?) it says we must have open borders and not make any attempt to find out who is entering the country, then I’m willing to think again.
That’s what is called pick& mix Catholicism!
Can you show me, anywhere in The Word Of God, any reference, to Land Borders?. God made the World, but it was Man that carved it up…….can’t believe you didn’t know that….. although, probably should have.
You need to tell us what you understand by the “Word of God” because someone has already given you a link to the writings of the Angelic Doctor on the question of open borders. You reject that.
So, would you explain what you mean by the “Word of God” (Hint: if you mean the New Testament, then be aware that, basing your beliefs on the writings of the New Testament alone, or of Sacred Scripture, Old and New Testaments, in its entirety, you would reject certain beliefs not mentioned therein, such as the Holy Trinity.)
So, what DO you understand by the “Word of God”?
Reading though the Posts on this Site, I have come to the conclusion, that my wisdom would be lost amongst youse!
In other words, you DO think the “Word of God” is limited to the Bible. Wrong!
The link you refer to metions only his observations, NOT His views
You appear to be unaware that the Catholic Church acknowledges the rights of governments to secure national borders, their duty to protect their own citizens etc. All that St Thomas Aquinas does is to give some Scriptural root to this teaching.
You know, the Word of God, and all that…
So you now acknowledge everything that the Catholic church acknowledges? When did this great conversion occur?
I’m thinking of excluding you from commenting on this blog. You are showing all the (boring) signs of being nothing more than a troll.
I was about to ask you to quote anything anywhere on this blog which demonstrates that we have ever indicated that we do not “acknowledge everything that the Catholic Church acknowledges”. But I know that you cannot do that so your sarcastic and ignorant comments are no longer welcome here.
Having thought about it, first stage in the exit procedure – your posts will be moderated from now on which means only serious comments will be posted and that when I see them. If I’m away from my computer, too bad.
Personally, in your place, I wouldn’t bother. I’d find another blog that better suits my belief system. Try The Tablet…
Your “Hint” (sic) contains a serious erratum. Quote:
“(Hint: if you mean the New Testament, then be aware that, basing your beliefs on the writings of the New Testament alone, or of Sacred Scripture, Old and New Testaments, in its entirety, you would reject certain beliefs not mentioned therein, such as the Holy Trinity.)
The Holy Trinity IS mentioned in the Word of God I.e. Holy Scripture. C.f. Matt. 28: 18-20 et supra I.e. the Gospel for Theophany/Epiphany aka Baptism of Our Lord.
My beloved Madame Editor, please amend your post. 😢
You have misunderstood my post.
I did not mean to cast doubt on belief in the Trinity – just the word “Trinity”. That is not found in Scripture.
Of course the revelation of the Trinity is in Scripture – both in the Old Testament – e.g. Genesis – and in the example you give, of the Great Commission. However the term “Trinity” or “Holy Trinity” is nowhere in Scripture.
I was trying to educate Dano about the nature of divine revelation, and the nature of the Church.
He appears to think that the term “Word of God” refers only to Sacred Scripture. It does not. It refers to the entirety of God’s revelation, oral AND written AND Catholic Tradition. Our Lord promised to send the Holy Spirit to “remind you of all that I have taught you” (John 14: 26) which explains how teachings believed by the earliest Christians but not committed to writing – such as the Immaculate Conception of Our Lady, the Assumption of Our Lady into Heaven, and so on – how these teachings could later become dogmas of the Faith. If someone believes – as Dano apparently does – that everything has to be explicitly taught in Scripture before it can be considered Christian, then, that someone will have a heck of a time trying to explain away certain dogmas of the Faith.
If I may respectfully suggest, since this has happened before, it may be that you have omitted to check the context of my comment. I have just done so myself and it really should be very clear that this is what I meant. Indeed, I’ve made this point about Catholic Tradition, and the term Trinity more than once on this blog.
I hope this post clarifies matters – and perhaps now you will consider asking Dano to amend HIS posts.
Dear Madame Editor,
Thank you for the explanation. I thought you were referring to the word “Trinity” but wasn’t certain.
I must admit I was a tad confused because in my prayer book, it says that the Word of God can refer to Our Lord Jesus Christ (I.e. the Eternal Word of God) or Holy Scripture. Holy *Tradition* includes the entire Deposit of Faith, oral and written (I.e. Holy Scripture).
Then I discovered…you were right! And you were paraphrasing Pope Paul VI:
Section 20 confirms your post.
Mea culpa, mea culpa…
Re Dano: Your able pen (oops, keyboard) has wielded the sword of truth far better than I.
Job 42: 3: “….ideo insipienter locutus sum, et quae ultra modum excederent scientiam meam.”
And verse 6: “Idcirco ipse me reprehendo…”
In Christ the King,
Jesus said to “Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s”, in other words, respect the law of the land. When the governments of the world make their immigration laws, we, as Catholics, must respect them and not encourage others to flout them.
Surely if we are to respect every countries Immigration Laws, we must then surely respect all of their Laws . Countries where the Catholic faith cannot be witnessed, where abortion is forced, etc, etc? We can’t just pick one Law ie Immigration, and declare that as Catholics, we must show total Respect
The difference is this; governments have the right to make good laws, but not bad laws. Laws which will protect the population and enable the various agencies of government to keep good order, laws which allow lawbreakers to be punished and rehabilitated and so on. Governments have both rights and duties. One such right of governments is the right to secure their own borders. because they have a duty to protect their people. It would be a very negligent government which made no attempt to monitor who is entering the country, just as no insurance company would pay out on a burglary/robbery claim made by a householder who had left his front door unlocked.
Thus, if you or I decide to move to a different country, we will have to apply to do so – unless there is some form of prior agreement between governments, such as the right of any UK citizen to move to live in Ireland or retire there and this is irrespective of UK membership of the EU.
However, the most popular destination for people here in the UK looking for a better life is not Ireland, but Australia. You don’t just pack a suitcase, though, and head for the airport, never mind buy a good pair of shoes and take off for the long walk. Here’s what happens if you decide you want to live down under…
And, I’m sure you will agree, there’s nothing unreasonable in the Australian Government’s process for encouraging or allowing people to enter their country – on the contrary, it makes a lot of sense, and ensures a level of stability and safety for the population that would not exist if any Tom, Dick or Jock could pass through border checks unhindered.
So, in (sort of) summary…
We respect just laws, not unjust laws. A government which legislates to kill babies in the womb, cannot demand that law be observed. That’s why there is a conscience clause for medics in the 1967 Abortion Act (even though it is generally flouted). Nobody can require us to accept, let alone participate in, a bad law. Any law which undermines the natural moral law, cannot be imposed. It may exist – as we are seeing here in the UK – but those of us who reject abortion, same-sex “marriage” and other bad laws cannot be / should not be imprisoned for refusing to accept them.
On the other hand, if we enter Australia (or most other lands) illegally, we will be prosecuted, because the government has decided that they only want certain categories of workers entering to live there, for reasons of their own – which is their right. Even if I disagree with their criteria for entry, I cannot claim it to be a “bad law” – it’s just disappointing that I don’t qualify. I still must respect that government’s right to make their own immigration laws.
Hope this helps clarify the distinction for you…
Catholic Truth at your service!
The Holy Family entered Egypt as refugees fleeing persecution, not as economic migrants seeking a more prosperous life in this world. The Scriptural example, then, is for nations to provide refugees with safety, not open its borders to free-flow economic migration.
It may also interest you to know that Sacred Scripture, not least the Epistles of Sts. Peter and Paul, advocates obedience to the lawful authority of the land, of any land, assuring us that such obedience is pleasing to God. These “lawful authorities” are clearly the monarchs or governments of nations who make the rules that we are all subject to, including rules on who may and may not enter the country. Thankfully most nations do receive a certain amount of foreign migrants and asylum seekers by means of various legal and security processes they put in place to ensure the continued welfare and safety of the society they oversee. Nowhere in history do we find borders falling to mass economic migration that takes no account of the nation’s infrastructure capacity, security or culture. This phenomenon is entirely new, evidently problematic and extremely dangerous, casting aside all normal, natural and reasonable precautions. The common sense of this was exemplified not so long ago when a so-called refugee, rescued by Marines from the shores of Libya and given unchecked asylum in Britain, went on to plot an Islamic terrorist attack in London. The madness is clear. There is no way Sacred Scripture would uphold such a process of insanity.
Besides this, it is the teaching of Sacred Scripture, not least in the life of the Holy Family, that we should accept the crosses God sends to us in this life. None of us has a guaranteed right to health or wealth in this world. Our Lord spoke of this when He said “the poor you will have always with you”. We all have the right and freedom to try to improve our situation by lawful means, but absolutely no right to trample the law of our own or other nations underfoot to get what we want. The blessing is in accepting our lot in a spirit of holy poverty and detachment if, having prayed and exhausted all legal means, we are unable to rid ourselves of the cross that God has sent to us. It is in resigning ourselves to God’s holy will in a spirit of holy poverty and detachment that we gain heaven. Yes, there are even rules for entering over that sacred threshold!
Much of interest in your comment, but I personally never think of the Flight into Egypt as making the Holy Family “refugees”. As we approach Christmas, we will find, as we do every year, umpteen sermons in modern parishes and parish bulletins, making this claim and helping to embed the idea that since the Holy Family were refugees, that makes “refugee-seeking” a good thing – ergo it is the Christian thing to do to welcome these mass movements of people from poor countries seeking entrance to the USA and Europe.
I have never thought of the Holy Family as “refugees”. We read in the Gospel that Joseph was told by an angel to take the Child and His Mother and “fly into Egypt” and to wait there until told otherwise, because Herod was seeking to destroy the Infant Child. On the death of Herod, they returned home. Maybe I’m being pedantic here, but I think the concept of “refugees” as understood today, is mistakenly applied to the Flight into Egypt where St Joseph was charged with the safe return home of the Holy Family, in accordance with, and for the fulfilment of, the will of God, not for any political purpose, even if the immediate end was to avoid Herod. We’re actually told that IN the Gospel, where we further read that this stay in Egypt until the death of Herod was “That it might be fulfilled which the Lord spoke by the prophet, saying: ‘Out of Egypt have I called my son.’ “ (Matthew 2:15)
Maybe, as I say, I’m being pedantic over this but I have to be honest and admit that it really does irritate me when I read modernist priests beating the “refugee” drum by reference to the Flight into Egypt. Instead of using that Flight into Egypt to illustrate God’s Divine Providence at work, and the fulfilment of prophecy (with perhaps, icing on the cake, a few words about the closeness of the two nations, Egypt and Israel!) they reduce it, instead, to a justification for encouraging the levels of migration we are currently witnessing in the USA and Europe. The Holy Family didn’t stay a day longer than necessary, we’re told; when the angel announced the death of Herod, the Holy Family returned home without delay.
I’m aware that you – and possibly others – will disagree with me, and consider the Holy Family to have been “refugees” to which I say “so be it”. We’ll just agree to differ on this. I’m good at that…
It was precisely for the reason you mention that I differentiated between “refugees” and “economic migrants”.
The former are granted leave to stay in another country until it is safe for them to return home, which, presumably, is what most refugees have in mind. The latter are largely gate crashers driven by ambition who have no intention of returning to their own country.
I hope this clarification leads to full agreement rather than agreeing to disagree, which is less agreeable as I am sure you will agree.
I wasn’t taking issue with your differentiation between refugees and economic migrants. Agreed! I just don’t agree with the characterisation of the Holy Family as refugees in the Gospel account of the Flight into Egypt, something I have never encountered until very recent years, coinciding with the contemporary migrant issue. I consider the Flight into Egypt to be an example of Divine Providence at work, a “supernatural intervention”, essentially for the purpose of fulfilling prophesy, to put it as simply as possible.
I do see why people, including modern priests, think that the Flight into Egypt is a biblical example of the fact that sometimes people do need to flee to another country to escape persecution. As I said, it may be that I am being pedantic on this, but I think it is a misinterpretation of the event.
I do however, fully agree with your concluding, most agreeable, paragraph 😀
You really are a Queer sort of person. You as a Catholic approve of Homosexual Marriage. You as a Catholic approve of Abortion. You as a Catholic approve of Government Controlled Sex Education that says a Woman can be changed into a Man and a Man can be changed into a Woman and have the Cheek to call us Pick and Mix Catholics. Awayandbileyirheid and do some Catholic reading.
Who says I approve of homosexual marriage, or abortion, or state enforced sex education, I abhor all of these Evils .You really need to take your time perusing my posts.
This caravan is anything but “economic migrants” They are mostly military-age males (sound familiar, Europeans?) with a few women and children up front to make it look good. They are giving rehearsed answers to reporters’ questions, and intelligence services have already identified subversive suspects in the “caravan” from Bangladesh and other terrorist havens.
The whole thing is a publicity stunt to try to influence the American mid-term election…you know, like the fake pipe bomb mailings that the globalist media mouthpieces are trying to blame on Trump supporters.
The Devil and his minions are really cashing in their last chips….
Turn them Back with force if necessary. If they can walk 2000 miles one way am sure the return trip will be a canter . It really is coming from the Sublime now to the ridiculous. American Politicians inviting thousands into the USA as more and more homeless appear on the streets daily.
These words could have came from the lips of Jesus himself! Beautiful Christian sentiment……..NOT !
Check out Jesus’ words and actions (clue, whipped cord) in John 2: 13-17 or thereabouts.
“Beautiful Christian sentiment”? What thinkest thou?
When one is stumped for a reply…….ah! quote a bible passage…even If it has no bearing on the subject matter…..well done!! 👍
Er… Seems you don’t get your own ironies, Sweetie Pie, so let me explain…
You replied to FOOF’s hard-hitting assertion that he would turn back the invaders “with force if necessary” with a statement to the effect that Jesus would never speak thus, HE, the gentle Jesus of modernist invention, would only express sweet and “compassionate” sentiments; hence your sarcastic response: “Beautiful Christian sentiment … NOT!” in response to FOOF’s remark that perhaps force is needed to turn back this caravan.
To illustrate how far off the mark you are, I posted the link to St John’s report on Our Lord taking a whipped cord and driving out the invaders from His Father’s House – the temple.
Get it now? (further clue: Jesus didn’t say, O well, they mean well and after all, we need to be inclusive… they’re creating wealth and after all God doesn’t mind what we do in His house as long as we are enjoying ourselves…)
We will now stand and sing 20 verses of Kumbaya 😀
I applaud your sentiments, but we don’t have to wait for Honduran migrants; there are plenty of homeless on our own doorstep, and given your heartwarming views I’ve no doubt that you have taken a few into the bosom of your own family. Please share your experiences.
I totally agree. If all these people who are bemoaning the plight of this caravan, were to put their homes where their mouth is, after a manner of speaking, that would mean something.
Exactly someone has eventually hit the nail on the head. If we all done our Christian little bit, the problem would be solved
Therese asked what YOU have done… Are you sharing your home with a homeless person or family. Have you made a programme for practical matters such as time in showers, who makes breakfast, that sort of thing? How does it work?
Like Matthew 4: 6-7?
Are you sure they’re not economic migrants? They look poor, and the bishops are speaking out to criticise the Honduran Government for the poverty they are fleeing, so I’m surprised that you think they are not trying to get into the USA for economic reasons, to better themselves.
That is not to justify what is happening. I think they’ve a cheek to invade America, which is what they are doing, invading and I’m all for making them turn back.
I think there will be a posse of liberal lawyers waiting for them at the border, though, and offering to act for them to get them their documentation. That’s unconscionable, IMHO. They should be charged with aiding and abetting someone in the commission of a criminal act.
I tried to find the article I read on WorldNetDaily a few days ago about this but I couldn’t, as I had to go out pubbing and clubbing to see if I could find Editor…
Anyway, the fact that some bishops are speaking out against the Honduran gov’t is more a reflection on them than on the government – which, by the way, unlike Venezuela, is not socialist (according to that article). Nota bene: Honduran bishops….Cardinal Mariadaga….corruption….
That same article pointed out that many, if not most of these “migrants” were actually not from Honduras; some of them were from Venezuela, and their staging point was a border town of Honduras.
I’ll see if I can find that article again…..as for the posse of liberal lawyers, you got that right! In fact, I’d be willing to trade the liberal lawyers for some of these migrants!
I had a friend who went as a Legal Immigrant to The USA in the early 80s . He has First to have a sponsor who would guarantee him a Job and if anything Health wise happened to him he had to pay . Am sure there were many other Laws also involved. What is now so wrong with this . We know overhere in the U.K. That the Somalians at least the Men who come here cannot work as they wear their trousers so low down that they have to keep their hands in their pockets and only bring them out for the Benefit Money . Otherwise their trousers would fall down . Victor you and I both know this is a well organised Invasion of young men by Soros. Who before he goes to his Appointed Place, Hell ,has sworn to destroy the USA . This of course can best be done from within and that’s what’s happening. After these elections of which now some republicans are saying that the Ballots have been rigged the Good God Fearing Americans won’t put up with the BS of the Left who are now going to call themselves Social Democrats. They will of course come after people’s Guns and I fear that will start a Civil War . Your thoughts Please.
Yes, Soros is certainly behind it with his filthy money. But also, as far as the numerous anarchy and violence-promoting groups that have sprung up within the USA since Pres. Trump’s election, Barack Obama, who is just as filthy as Soros. His “Organizing for America” coordinates a lot of this seditious activity.
And he should be in jail, along with the Clintons.
Victor Obama was the straw that broke Americas back with his Homosexuality in practically every corner in every Town City and Village. That he more than once ordered Crucifixes to be covered up in Catholic Institutions and his orders were carried out was enough for me . I didn’t think the Despot could have gotten any worse. Then came the Transgenderism carry on of which I have my own thoughts and of course I think you know what I mean . The time when he met with Putin and wanted to know why Pussy Riot were in Jail and why Transgender Rights were not the same as in The USA was Evil. Then of course there is the subject of the Armed Forces of how he tried to Effectively effeminate them from Generals to the Fighting Man or Transgender Person on the Front line . This would of course have eventually destroyed the Military of if it wasn’t his choice then he was a very stupid Commander in Chief indeed . One of his last points of Esponage on the American People was releasing that Horrible Chandler person . Locked up my God it’s to good for him . As for The Clintons. This Supposed Pipe Bomb carry on surely Fools no one . I mean who could possibly be an enemy of the Clintons. Their all dead killed by Clintonites I.E. a bit like Michael Corleone . Keep your friends close but your enemies even closer . I really hope as you do for Peace in This World as for the 7000 invasion force we have said we know who has organised fed and watered them . Watch how when they get to the US border they’ll all be collapsing like flies . Soros will have achieved his purpose by then and will drop them like a Hot Potato. Of course they’ll have none of them left either.
Just a little Equation for you on the Obamas am sure you’ll get it . 100 + 50 = 150 Divide by 2 should = 75 ?
Great to see Racism alive and kicking at the heart of “catholictruthblog.com” The Converts must be queuing up.
Dano . I don’t know who your trying to Fool but anyhow if it keeps you thinking which must be really hard that’s good . My comments On Obama has Nothing to do with the colour of his skin of which you obviously think they are . At no time in my Life either on here or outside have I ever referred to the Evil of his Presidency being down to the colour of his skin . You yourself are obviously a Marxist S.N.P. Supporter of which it is your right to be stupid. As for us we will walk in the Truth of the One Holy And Apostolic Church and not on some whim that Sturgeon will say from one day to the next . Do I in your Racist statement dislike Islam you bet I do . Do I in your Racist statement dislike Muslims. Not them all … I doubt very much you are even a Catholic with your convert statement.
Not sure what comment(s) you refer to as racist. Would you kindly point to a particular sentence or paragraph to back that rather serious accusation up. Much obliged.
I thought I saw you in one of the Sauchiehall Street clubs… or was it, pubs.. Anyway, you do stand out in the crowd…
On topic – your posts on this are really educational. I wish we could get you a job on Sky News which should be renamed Skewed News. They’re reporting this, as they report everything to do with the USA, as yet one more example of mean ole Donald Trump. Yip. The Donald is at it again, insisting on respect for the law. Naughty, naughty!
We Italians would never be caught wearing such a garish green….nor holding a pint of slosh. No, this would be more typical:
I’ve just read Christopher Ferrara’s excellent piece on those “bombs” – and sent the link to ALL the TV news channels over here.
It struck me the first time I heard the reports that since the supporters of Brett Kavanaugh had not stormed the Senate during the screaming protests it seemed odd to suddenly put their mid-term elections in jeopardy by sending bombs to the opposition politicians. Didn’t ring true. As I said at the conclusion of my short email to the news outlets here – truth will out. In time, they get caught.
PS – you look as young as ever in that pic 😀
Those non-bomb “bombs” were about as convincing as the testimony of Christine Blasey Fraud in the Kavanaugh hearings. Obviously, the Democrats are getting quite desperate. As Ferrara said, I hope some stalwart investigator turns up evidence that the perpetrator’s van was plastered with Trump signs by someone else…a someone else who also paid for them….
Here’s an update on the partial “contents” of this caravan:
Another update: https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/item/30469-who-s-funding-the-caravan-and-who-could-be-hiding-among-the-hondurans
That’s the 64,000 dollar question – who is funding this mass exodus from central America?
There’s another question that should be addressed on this but I’ve never heard it said in the MSM. Do these people, especially the young ones, not have a duty to stay in their own countries and build them up? If they can go to the USA, supposedly in poverty, and then build businesses and make money out of very little, surely they can do that in their own native lands and so build up their economy and improve the standard of living there? That makes more sense to me than trekking for thousands of miles to a foreign country to build up their economy!
There’s claims that Venezuela is funding the caravan but since that is one very poor country, I have my doubts
The people are indeed poor and starving, but the leftists who run the country certainly are neither….
Good point. I suppose it can only benefit Venezuela if they can help move a whole load of people out of the area.
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