Comment:
It’s perhaps time to remind ourselves of the fact that Our Lady requested the Consecration of Russia by the Pope and Bishops, as a pre-condition of world peace.
Is the near panic we are witnessing in the world of politics today, perhaps a sign that this request for the Consecration of Russia, so long ignored by successive popes, is now urgent?
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Comments (47)
“Tell them, Father, that many times the Most Holy Virgin told my cousins Francisco and Jacinta, as well as myself, that many nations will disappear from the face of the earth. She said that Russia will be the instrument of chastisement chosen by Heaven to punish the whole world if we do not beforehand obtain the conversion of that poor nation.” From Sister Lucia’s interview with Fr Fuentes, 1957 http://archive.fatima.org/essentials/opposed/frfuentes.asp
Being as the Consecration of Russia hasn’t been done as requested, it’s just a matter of when, not if, the annihilation of nations will begin. Also, Our Lady said at Fatima that war is a punishment for sin, so when you think that grave sin is embedded in, and supported by the laws of most countries (abortion, ‘gay marriage’ etc), it’s inevitable that some of them – including us – will probably perish. I simply can’t believe that people were more sinful around the time of World War I and II, than they are now – and during both of those wars, the Church still had the traditional Latin Mass and was free from post-conciliar errors. Largely, we don’t even have those protections now. Some global tragedy will have to take place first before the current regime in the Vatican is either overthrown or brought to heel.
Westminster
Interesting post. I’ve always understood the Second Secret to foretell wars. The Third Secret I’ve understood to be more of a spiritual chastisement.
Russia being the instrument of chastisement I think is more related to the spread of Communism and the rejection of God. In a real sense, this is far more frightening than any war. The wholesale rejection of God by entire Nations is worse than any physical chastisement.
As for nations being annihilated, again I don’t necessarily think this is related to war. Annihilation is different to perishing, or destroying. I always felt the European Union, being founded on freemasonry and Communism, was part of this annihilation of Nations. The proud Catholic countries of France, Italy and Spain now almost cease to exist as they are dominated by the EU.
I also think that when a Nation rejects God and passes immoral laws, persecuting the good etc they have lost their soul and thus are “annihilated”.
I could be wrong, of course, but I don’t see huge significance in the latest developments but that doesn’t mean to say that the Consecration of Russia is not long overdue or desperately needed. On the contrary!
I’ve always found it interesting that, historically, the Russian people have a great love for Our Lady and are deeply Marian. I guess this made it all the more shocking that Russia was the instrument of chastisement. However, I do believe that after the Consecration, Russia will lead the renewal.of Christendom and the Immaculate Heart will indeed triumph.
Petrus,
The general opinion at the Fatima Network is that the unreleased Third Secret text contains both a spiritual and a global temporal chastisement. I’m not sure I agree with your ‘annihilation’ theory. The dictionary describes the meaning of annihilation as ‘complete destruction or obliteration’. Added to that Sister Lucia’s statement that ‘many nations will disappear from the face of the earth’ sounds more like a total destruction in the manner of Sodom and Gomorrah, rather than nations just being subsumed into a godless regime like the EU.
Westminster
I’m.sure there’s an article on “annihilation” on the Fatima Center website and it states that theologically the meaning of annihilation is not exactly what you would find in the dictionary.
I haven’t really read anything from the Fatima Center regarding war when it comes to the Third Secret, but I will take a look. My view is that a spiritual chastisement is much more to be feared than war. I do think the issue of war is pretty much covered in the second secret so I am looking forward to finding out more.
Westminster Fly,
This article is very good on the annihilation of nations from the Fatima Center
https://fatima.org/about/consecration-of-russia/why-annihilation-of-nations-or-not/
It’s obvious that there has been physical annihilation and this is getting worse, so it’s a mistake to think the spiritual chastisement we are going through right now, is the end of the Fatima warning. I don’t see that at all, and Russia’s continuing aggression is proof of that. Russia has made clear it wants to dominate the world, by military force if necessary and sees the USA as a rival.
The sooner the pope consecrates Russia to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart, the better.
Lily,
Thanks for that article. It’s excellent and I thought I would copy the final quote from Sr Lucy’s interview with Father Fuentes, because it answers the question very clearly about spiritual versus physical annihilation.
In her interview with Father Fuentes, (see “Published Testimony: Father Fuentes (1957)“)
Sister Lucy stated, “many times the Most Holy Virgin told my cousins as well as myself, that many nations will disappear from the face of the earth, that Russia will be the instrument of chastisement chosen by Heaven to punish the whole world if we do not beforehand obtain the conversion of that poor nation….” The results of the Pope and the bishops failing to consecrate Russia have affected all of us; and until it is done, we will continue to experience God’s chastisement. Only the Consecration of Russia can prevent the annihilation and chastisements that yet await us. Therefore, our own lives and the lives of our friends and family members are at stake. Truly, our fate and the fate of the world depend upon the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
Fidelis,
You’ve pin-pointed the key, indisputable words of Our Lady which confirm that we are right to be nervous about the growing Russia-Ukraine conflict, and so the popes continue to ignore these words: Sister Lucy stated, “many times the Most Holy Virgin told my cousins as well as myself, that many nations will disappear from the face of the earth, that Russia will be the instrument of chastisement chosen by Heaven to punish the whole world if we do not beforehand obtain the conversion of that poor nation….”
at their peril…
If the Pope would stop worrying about plastic pollution and start worrying up ending up in Hell, the Consecration of Russia might soon be in our sights…
Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us!
Editor,
I couldn’t agree more. When he wastes his time on writing an encyclical on climate change you know that there’s a major problem.
I noticed that one of the Pope’s official monthly prayer intentions in 2019 is about pollution in the oceans. When the annihilation of nations takes place, he’ll have more to worry about than a bit of plastic.
Petrus and WF,
Exactly. Talk about diabolical disorientation. Saving the planet (which doesn’t need to be “saved”) and refusing to save souls (at risk of Hell for all eternity).
What planet is HE on?! (excuse the bad grammar!)
That’s quite a powerful observation. I’ve never thought of “saving the planet but refusing to save souls”!
Editor,
I think it’s right to concern you, but I don’t see huge significance. There’s a train of thought that the president of Ukraine is provoking Russia and putting his country on a war footing to boost his ratings at the forthcoming elections. We’ve seen these games with Russia and Ukraine for the last few years and it usually blows over. I’d be very surprised if this escalated to a fully blown war. If that DOES happen, I will happily come back and admit I was wrong 🙂
Petrus,
I think this time it’s a bit more than playing games, to be honest.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-live-latest-update-martial-law-black-sea-ships-navy-crisis-a8651736.html
Nicky,
Isn’t this yesterday’s news? I’m trying to see if it adds something to what editor posted in the introduction. Have I missed something significant?
Petrus,
LOL! Most of the news about something so serious is at least a day old but here is one from today, speaks of the “flaring” tensions, so it’s not getting any more peaceful over there!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/28/donald-trump-may-cancel-putin-meeting-russias-seizure-ships/
Fidelis,
I’ve read that quote loads of times, but this is the first time that I’ve noticed that Sr Lucy said “many times” Our Lady told them that many nations will disappear and Russia will be the instrument of chastisement. I’ve never noticed that “many times” before. It’s really quite a shock, and it suggests that it’s very urgent indeed, and that was years ago!
I’m personally deciding to pray harder for the conversion of Russia and for the Pope to do as he was told and consecrate Russia with the bishops. How difficult can it be, to do that, as Fr Gruner said, a short five minute prayer?
Fidelis,
I wanted to come back and thank you. It’s been about ten years since I’ve read in ant great depth material linked to Fatima. Your post has encouraged me to go back to the beginning and refresh my memory.
Fidelis,
I wanted to come back and thank you. It’s been about ten years since I’ve read in ant great depth material linked to Fatima. Your post has encouraged me to go back to the beginning and refresh my memory.
I agree.
Petrus,
I find your theory about the Fatima Message to be different from everything else I’ve ever read from the Fatima writers.
For one thing, I don’t see Our Lady with a tick box sheet saying that’s part one done now, no more wars, move on toe part two etc. I think we have to see the message as a whole.
She also speaks in simple terms, not making us guess what she means. When she said that nations would be annihilated, she meant what annihilation means – to be obliterated, to disappear off the face of the earth. I’ve never thought that “the proud Catholic countries of France, Italy and Spain now almost cease to exist as they are dominated by the EU” I blame the EU for a lot of things but not for the loss of the faith in Catholic countries! People have become materialistic, and they have become secularised but that can only be indirectly due to the EU. But if she was just foretelling the loss of faith in Europe, she would surely have said that. What she said is that unless Russia is converted, she will spread her errors throughout the world, not just Europe.
We are already suffering the spiritual chastisement, but that was also foretold would happen, as well as the annihilation of nations. I have never thought of them as being the same thing but two separate things.
Fidelis,
No, I don’t see Our Lady with a tick sheet either. To be honest, I don’t think anything I’ve written gives that impression! I didn’t say each parts of the prophecy had to come one after the other. I just think that we need to be clear what each part of the secret foretold.
Neither do I think what I’ve written is any different to other things I’ve read, which begs me to ask the questions….where do you usually read material about Fatima???? 🙂
I don’t have a theory. I didn’t propose a theory. I have opinions. I am not at all an expert. However, in a recent thread on the EU I expressedt opinion about the annihilation of nations and I’m sure the editor commented that it was a good point. I’ afraid you may have to read over what I’ve written again and I think you will see that.
Petrus,
I only read about Fatima on the Fatima Center website or stuff on this site which is usually taken from the Fatima Center. .
I’m sure editor won’t mind if I say that she’s not infallible so even if she believes you made a good point about the annihilation of nations being about spiritual annihilation and not war, I have a different view.
Fidelis,
I think it’s more likely to be a combination of both. That way we are all winners 🙂
Neither did I say they were two separate things. Not at all. The spiritual chastisement related to the church and the world. It’s not one secret for the church and one for the world!
When the church stops proclaiming the Gospel the whole world does suffer. The chief error of Russia is Communism , not it’s army! This impacts on the Church and the world.
You’re also not keeping a clear head when it comes to nations ceasing to exist. I didn’t say that losing the faith meant they ceased to exist, I said the Communist EU wants to conquer Europe and this is clearly part of the Freemasonic “One World Government” which would most certainly mean that individual nations were wiped off the map.
The Fatima message is multilayered. Many books and articles have been written on the secrets and their consequences, so it’s not just as simple as you would have us believe. Hence the reason why we have threads like this. I’m not sure the blog is well served when someone’s humble opinion is immediately condemned as being unlike anything else that you have read. Maybe, like me, you need to read a bit more!
Petrus,
I didn’t say you thought they were two separate things – the opposite is what I got from your post because you wrote I wrote that “I have never thought of them as being the same thing but two separate things.” You said you thought they were the same thing, spiritual and physical chastisement, but I said I thought they were two separate things.
BTW, I didn’t “condemn” your opinion, I just questioned it. That’s what happens in discussions! You’ve questioned mine, but that’s fine. I expect that on a blog.
I agree.
Hi again Fidelis,
I found this article, by Joanna Swords at the Fatima Center, very interesting. It seems to suggest that the “annihilation” is a spiritual annihilation. This is different to what I’ve suggested, but also different to the claims that annihilation simply means being blown up by bombs.
http://tradcatknight.blogspot.com/2017/03/the-annihilation-of-nations.html?m=1
I’ve also just found articles linking the annihilation of nations to abortion, so there are different thoughts around. In reality it’s probably a combination of a lot of things.
Petrus,
I’ve just see your link and I’ve now read that article by Joanna Swords but I don’t find it convincing. As she says, the spiritual chastisement is already happening and anyway, as shown above, Sr Lucy has said clearly that Our Lady means nations will “will disappear from the face of the earth” and that Russia will be God’s instrument in this.
I have to say, though, I’m surprised that you would post anything from the resistance movement site.
Fidelis,
I didn’t really look at the site and don’t think it really matters that much. The article wasn’t wirtten by anyone connected to the Resistance.
I note your point about it not being convincing. However, I think it is worth noting that there are different opinions out there, even within the Fatima Center.
Westminster Fly,
That part of the prophesy which you quote makes it very clear IMHO, that we are facing another war, since we have been suffering the spiritual chastisement since Vatican II !
You have quoted Lucia saying, “She said that Russia will be the instrument of chastisement chosen by Heaven to punish the whole world ” (meaning, Our Lady said that).
Well, the spiritual chastisement is punishing Catholics and the Church, but it would take something more physical to punish the whole world, which is why I think most people have always interpreted the annihilation as meaning some kind of war or physical punishment of one kind or another. Our Lady wasn’t just talking about the Church, but about the whole world.
Westminster Fly,
“Being as the Consecration of Russia hasn’t been done as requested, it’s just a matter of when, not if, the annihilation of nations will begin.
I couldn’t agree more. That state of the world makes it more likely than ever that the “annihilation” will begin soon enough.
I think Our Lady’s request was urgent to begin with, in 1929 – so 89 years later, at this point of such degeneracy, depravity, insanity and decay, I can’t imagine that she can hold back her Son’s Arm much longer.
Sadly, there was no such sense of urgency among the Conciliar Popes, and especially not in the current one, whose agenda is to eliminate the Church’s means of self-preservation while fretting about capitalism, climate change, open borders and plastics floating in the ocean.
In short, the words “Consecration of Russia” are anathema to Francis, who’s already stated that the Russian Orthodox don’t need to convert. His reaction to that phrase is the same as his reaction to the word “Tradition”: scorn, and an ongoing leftist smear campaign against everything the Church is supposed to be.
So until Our Lord determines that the moment has arrived, we will have the diametric opposite of the Consecration of Russia: the consecration of apostasy. This is the Devil’s hour.
RCA Victor,
You are so right – these modernist popes are really calling down Heaven’s wrath on us. Watching the world going more and more into the swamp, and now with this new threat of Russian aggression, a pope with any bit of faith left in him, would do the consecration.
RCA Victor,
Your first sentence says everything that needs to be said, actually. How very true.
I also agree totally with your observation that the modern popes have moved the Church’s mission to politics, and not saving souls. They’re all for saving the planet, LOL!
“This is the Devil’s hour” – again, I could not agree more.
Nicky,
Like you, I think RCA Victor’s opening sentence says it all.
As a kind of supplement to the Fatima messages (though it occurred well before Fatima), one of Don Bosco’s dreams depicted Russia invading Europe under a black flag, making swift progress against the West, but then the flag turns white. I read some time ago a speculation that this change of flag color in mid-invasion might mean that the Consecration was accomplished in the middle of the invasion.
As for this Ukraine conflict, if I remember some old reading correctly that I came across during the Obama years, it seems there are certain forces behind the curtain trying to provoke a conflict with Russia by stirring up trouble in the Ukraine (and Syria). Those forces in all probability would be the globalists in the USA and England. If there’s one thing we know, it’s that the secret societies typically achieve their ends through the provocation of war.
WWI: destruction of the old order and the first attempt to set up a League of Nations. WWII: since the first attempt failed because America rejected it, a second try, which resulted in the establishment of the UN on American soil.
WWIII – ?
RCA Victor,
I couldn’t agree more. The godless West are keen to provoke Russia. I’m not saying that Russia is innocent, far from it, but it’s a wee bit too simplistic to look at anything to do with Russia in the news and immediately jump to the Fatima message.
I’m certain the West is spoiling for a fight with Putin. The Ukraine may be their pawn.
Petrus,
I really don’t think it’s a case of Russia being in the news and immediately jumping to the Fatima message. Russia is in the news all the time – since Trump was elected, Russia has been in the news nearly every day, They’re still trying to pin his election on Russia, LOL!
I don’t think it makes any difference whether the west is spoiling for a fight with Putin or not. Our Lady said Russia would be the instrument to chastise us, that many nations will disappear from the face of the earth, and we know that Russia is right at the top of the nations with the most military might, and has been for a long time.
Our Lady’s words will come true, no matter how it comes about, west provoking Putin or whatever, and I think it is good to keep that before our eyes, at the same time as praying for the consecration to avert the danger.
I think RCA Victor’s mention of the dream of Don Bosco might be right – I wouldn’t be surprised if his first paragraph is actually what will happen.
Laura,
What you’ve said is more than plausible.
Petrus,
Thank you! I’m just hoping Don Bosco is right about Russia turning back in mid-invasion (before he reaches the UK, LOL!)
Yes very important this consecration should have been made long ago it is now time to make it straight away as our lady warned several nations would disapear from the face of the earth please holy father consecrate Russia now
Robert,
You are absolutely correct. We should pray very hard for the Consecration and the conversion of Russia (AND Pope Francis! That really will be a conversion worthy of the Guinness book of Records!)
I can’t seem to find Don Bosco’s Russia dream on line, but there are quite a few sites containing his more famous “Two Columns” dream, which also relates to these days. Here’s one of the sites:
https://salesianity.blogspot.com/2008/07/don-boscos-dream-and-pope-benedict.html
Also, since Russia is the instrument of our chastisement, it’s interesting to note that Pope Francis is also the instrument of our chastisement, because he promotes the errors of Russia as his own, and as truth!
Has this been posted elsewhere?
https://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2015/12/papal-appointee-enzo-bianchi-calls.html
Helen,
No – this is the first I’ve seen that shocking report. Absolutely shocking.
I’ve only skimmed it so will need to read it carefully to make sure I’m not misunderstanding but if this person is saying what I think he’s saying, its’ beyond blasphemy.
Thank you for alerting us to it.
Helen ,
I’m sure I read this article at the time (it was posted in 2015). Shocking!
I can’t see the Russia-Ukraine conflict getting fixed any time soon. It’s getting worse, in fact.
https://news.thaivisa.com/article/29026/ukraine-bars-entry-to-russian-men-of-combat-age-eu-sees-renewal-of-sanctions-on-russia
The reason I think this is significant, is that it shows that Russia has not “converted” not even to democracy, never mind Catholicism. Russia is really just the same, an aggressor, and we all should heed the Fatima warnings, or pay the price, especially the pope.
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