21/2: Vatican Summit on Clergy Sex Abuse – Mere Window Dressing?
Today, the Vatican summit begins, called supposedly to address the avalanche of scandals caused by priests and bishops abusing minors (or covering up abuse of minors.)
Trouble is, it’s not only minors who are being abused, but young men, including seminarians, and the conference organisers include Cardinal Blase Cupich of Chicago who is, shall we say, not to overstate the case, not the kind of person you’d leave in a room alone with a five pound/dollar note. Archbishop Vigano – in his devastating testimony about the cover-up in the McCarrick case – writes of Cupich: “…one cannot fail to note his ostentatious arrogance, and the insolence with which he denies the evidence that is now obvious to all: that 80% of the abuses found were committed against young adults by homosexuals who were in a relationship of authority over their victims. ”
Let’s pray for a breakthrough at this summit over the next few days. It really will take a miracle to penetrate the dark souls of those who are responsible, whether directly or indirectly, for this unthinkable physical and sexual abuse by priests and bishops. Certainly, Archbishop Vigano believes that the Vatican is not genuinely seeking to end clerical child abuse and is, instead, determined to continue to cover up the real issue, which is the problem of homosexual priests
Our Lady of Good Success pray for us! Our Lady of Fatima pray for us!
Comments (41)
Surely everyone can see that this is pure window dressing. The Vatican itself is a swamp in need of cleansing. I would like to make another trip to Rome but I have promised myself that I will not do so until that swamp is drained.
If the Pope has put Cardinal Cupich on the organizing committee, then it’s obviously not a serious meeting. It’s definitely window-dressing. He showed his true colours at the press conference about it
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cardinal-cupich-concedes-majority-of-abuse-is-homosexual-but-denies-causal
Lily,
I’ve taken out the 5 minutes video clip of the Press Conference to post here separately – a must-watch…
The meeting is absolutely just window dressing. For a start its chaired by Cupich, one of the faithful McCarrick-Francis drones.
Secondly, the meeting is limiting itself to considering abuse of young children; older males – as made up the largest single portion of victims in the abuse crisis – are not included in deliberation. This is doubly outrageous, given McCarricks victims were altar boys, seminarians and even priests.
I saw a video of Cupich and others addressing the media about the meeting. His wavering, uncertain tone was very obvious, but what was also noticeable were how badly his hands shook, despite him clutching a pen to try to stop this. He must have been nervous, unless he has some condition which causes his hands to shake.
However I did interpret it as nervousness, and I figured this was because Cupich knows fine well that most people regard this as a sham before its even started proper, and he was the “useful idiot” sent out to face the cameras and parrot the party line.
So I think this will be a run-of-the mill talking shop for the Francis pontificate, which – regardless of what is actually said – will simply vomit out whatever conclusions Francis has instructed Cupich to deliver up front.
And I expect the end of the summit will be marked by those familiar hallmarks of the current pontificate – ambiguity and acrimony.
Gabriel Syme,
If you can find that video and post the link here, that would be very interesting.
Gabriel Syme has said it all. Window dressing? How about some synonyms:
Farce; dog-and-pony show; facade; charade; masquerade; eyewash; bluff; fake; phony; put-on; pretense; mask; pretense; sham; fig leaf; fluff; tinsel; diversion; travesty; mockery; counterfeit; fraudulent.
Now, class, let’s use all those in a sentence…
The Pope and his lackeys are complicit – and in some cases, active participants – in the unspeakable crimes of evil, sick men, crimes which cry out to Heaven for vengeance, and which cannot be covered up or excused by this “summit,” which would be more appropriately called an “abyss.”
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RCA Victor,
We should all pray hard to St Peter Damian for the abusers in the priesthood and hierarchy today. That might be our input to this week’s summit.
Fidelis,
I’m praying for “the Miracle of the Conclave.” This “summit” is just another rigged cover-up (and without an official agenda, no less) which will only serve to enrage the laity even more than they already are.
RCA Victor,
You’re a tad demanding – I’m just praying for a conclave! To play around, somewhat, with a well known saying, “conclaves we can do in a reasonable span of time, miracles take a little longer!” 😀
Get it? The impossible we can do at once, miracles take a little longer…
It’s the way I tell ’em…
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51B0sjCJ97L._AA300_.jpg
Yes, I agree. Window dressing. Nothing more, nothing less. There is absolutely no will to implement the 1961 Vatican instruction banning those with a homosexual inclination to the priesthood or religious life. As we know only too well. This blog recently covered the scandal of a man from an English diocese who is at the Venerable English College and should be ordained to the priesthood before too long. This man was publicly steeped in the ‘LGBT’ culture until his decision to go to the seminary, when he deliberately removed all on-line information about his ‘LGBT’ life. Even after notifying the Rector about him, nothing has been done and he is still there.
So it’s always been a problem.
Crofterlady,
The difference being, the popes at that time were not part of the homosexual problem! Big difference! The fact that St Peter Damian is not only a canonised saint but a declared Doctor of the Church is a clue…
I’ve just checked the poll and 12.5% are not sure if this summit is just window dressing – what planet are they on? It’s obviously window dressing because there’s no need for such a conference at all – all the bishops have to do is dismiss offending priests and all the pope has to do is dismiss offending bishops including the ones who cover up these abuses. That just leaves the pope himself, and all he has to do is what Archbishop Vigano asks him to do in his testimony – resign!
Fidelis,
Well said – and if anyone doubts that the bishops can act against misbehaving clergy, check this out…
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41-LtKpXHfL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
This priest says it all:
Therese,
I’ve just been able to watch/hear 11 minutes into the video – and it is rivetting. I can’t get it to play further right now, so I am going to leave it until tomorrow, but the information about Fr Fitzgerald is just astonishing. I’m looking forward to hearing the rest of it asap.
Next morning…
I’ve now watched the video right through and – as you say – this priest says it all. Brilliant. Every Catholic should watch this video. And I’m about to send it by email to a Protestant reader, a very well-meaning, sincere gentleman, for whom I ask you all to pray.
Therese,
That’s a really interesting video – that priest was prophetic.
I was surprised, at first, to hear that he thought abusing priests were “irreformable” but I suppose that is different from not being saved. They might be addicted to this terrible sin but still be sorry enough (imperfect contrition) to safe their souls in the end.
It seems very clear that they ought never to be allowed back into active ministry, not anywhere near children, which is very sad to say.
Therese,
Excellent sermon. If only Paul VI had listened to him, we would be in a very different situation now. To think those homosexuals actively infiltrated the Church and were allowed to do so by the neglectful hierarchy – it just beggars belief.
Sorry, I meant if only Paul VI had listened to Father Fitzgerald – in case you think I meant the priest preaching the sermon, LOL!
Excellent sermon, though I wonder why Father states that the homosexual infiltration began during the 1960s, when others have pointed out that it began several decades before that (including via the infiltration of Communists in the 1930s, as Bella Dodd testified). Perhaps it reached critical mass in the 60s, I don’t know.
If the bishops ever get around to investigating (which they won’t) how a man like McCarrick could have risen so high in the Church, they should also investigate how Cardinal Bernardin – another homosexual, and according to Malachi Martin, a Satanist – did the same.
It’s very interesting that self-love (narcissism), which is at the root of homosexuality, is the means used by Our Lord to fuel the Passion of His Mystical Body. The Church is animated by the love of God, but she is being brought to ruin by the love of self.
I’ve posted information here about Fr. Fitzgerald and his apostolate before, but I didn’t know he actually took his case to Paul VI. I wonder if he knew about the accusations (never proven, I don’t think) that Paul VI himself was a homosexual?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Fitzgerald_(priest)
RCA Victor,
I’ve only read about the infiltration of Communists in the 30s, not homosexuals.
Also, I think the rumours about Pope Pau VI are just that, no credible evidence has ever been produced about him being homosexual.
Michaela
I think you’re right to point out that no credible evidence of homosexuality has ever been produced against Paul VI. These rumours were chiefly put about by sedevacantists, but they are completely false. Whatever else he may have been, and I’m the first to agree that Pope Paul VI was a Modernist who did great damage to the Church, he was no homosexual.
The one thing that Paul VI can be said to have done well, in fact, is to have upheld the moral teaching of the Church in the face of very great opposition.
RCA Victor,
Dashing out to the pubs and clubs after an extremely busy day, so I’m only going to comment on one aspect of your post (although I can’t helping thinking that Michaela has a point when she mentions the infiltration of Communists… having said that, I dare say there were some, at least, homosexual Communists!)
I doubt very much if Pope Paul VI was a homosexual (certainly, actively so) and, in any case, it seems pointless to me, and somewhat unjust, to speculate on the matter when the person concerned is deceased. I know you are not doing that, but I’m throwing in the justice and peace bit to prevent others from so doing 😀 One has to think of everything in this job…
There is no shortage of evidence that Paul VI was a weak pope, failed to exercise his authority (exactly like the rest of the modern popes) so we can safely assert that he was, indeed, a weak character, and not exactly the Pope of the Century but that has to be the limit of our judgment in his case. Here’s a very interesting article on Paul VI, from 1P5
From the introduction…
“Forty years ago the regime of Giovanni Battista Montini, Pope Paul VI, began to reveal itself. Mythology had it that he was a good man who lost control, and that the disaster was caused by everything except his mistakes and pusillanimity. Msgr. F. D. Cohalan, a noted New York churchman and historian, contended there was a little more to it than that, and took a factual approach in this matchless piece, written under a pen name for National Review back in 1969. Well worth reading. https://onepeterfive.com/the-enigma-of-pope-paul-vi/
If you are planning to hit the pubs and clubs with me, I’ll meet you at the corner of Sauchiehall Street and Hope Street in half-an-hour. This is what it…er… used to look like – in case you get lost. From the airport it should only take around twenty minutes in a taxi…
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/95/77/a7/9577a78c451843e180acfe0080c94ed0.jpg
Editor,
Sounds like a date…depending on which date I plug into my Time Machine….is that your car coming down the middle of the street? What happened to driving on the left side of the road?
My point about homosexuality, which I apparently didn’t make very clearly, was that it was quite ironic that Fr. Fitzgerald should take his case regarding the irreformability of homosexual priest-abusers to a Pope who had himself been accused of homosexuality.
Perhaps one convincing refutation of those accusations is Paul VI’s weak character and essential abdication of authority. Homosexuals in positions of authority are known to frequently be martinets in the exercise of their power.
RCA Victor
The reason Editor is driving on theother side of the road is that she spotted some nice hats in a shop window and went to have a look. The other photo, which she hasn’t posted, shows her up on the sidewalk (to use the American expression)!
Athanasius & RCA Victor,
Very funny, the pair of you, but I’ll have you know that when that photo was taken, if I were on the planet at all, I certainly wasn’t driving anything, anywhere! And, for the record, I’m a very careful driver these days… I have to be, they charged a fortune for that licence down at the Barras in Glasgow…
https://l7.alamy.com/zooms/0dae228707bb4c43bab001453039825b/scotland-glasgow-the-famous-barras-flea-market-on-saturday-acmb9d.jpg
Interesting
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/sham-room-sex-abuse-meeting/?fbclid=IwAR3ytKtDJ_qx-eCUih8Un5EV94gFH6EgCkwAr8HHVh9HTVsgIxDUJFHpSBc
Pat,
Very interesting indeed. As the writer says, these conference organisers are relying on the ignorance of both the press and the laity – only through such ignorance can they get away with producing such a non-agenda for such a supposedly important meeting. Outrageous!
Maybe not the right thread, but how about this?
Link to sedevacantist site deleted. Definitely forbidden fruit – poisonous! Click here to read our House Rules; see #4. Thank you.
Pat,
Since it’s got nothing to do with the summit on child abuse, and is dated Feb. 2, 2014, it would have been better to post this on the General Discussion thread. If you wish to transfer it, others can take this post from me as a request to hold your horses, so that we don’t end up having two entirely different conversations – one about child abuse and the other about Lutheranism / Cardinal Ratzinger.
Oops! Pat, I’ve just looked at your link again and it is from the sedevacantist site Novus Ordo Watch, so I’ve now deleted it. We do not give the sedes any publicity at all. Things are quite bad enough, as I’m sure you will agree, without adding their lunacy into the mix.
On Topic: From New Europe…
A landmark four-day summit in the Vatican is currently taking place to look into the sexual abuse of children by the Catholic clergy.
The meeting, which began on February 21, has brought together an extraordinary panoply of 190 participants from around the Catholic world. These include 114 presidents of bishops’ conferences or their delegates, representatives from 14 Eastern Rite Catholic Churches, who are often referred to as ‘Greek Catholics’ but are in full communion with Rome, as well as female and male leaders of key religious orders and the chiefs of several Vatican congregations.
The summit, convened by Pope Francis last September, includes two speeches by Francis, talks outlining best practices, small group discussions among bishops and a penitential ceremony involving abuse survivors. Click here to read the entire NE Report.
It’s not coming across on the TV news but this pope’s credibility is definitely fraying at the edges
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/18/popes-credibility-line-vatican-convenes-global-meeting-combating/
As it say in the above link, Francis is very media savvy but he’s not fooling everyone and I think his days are numbered.
Just think, we are living through a period when the Church has one of the worst ever (if not THE worst ever) pope in history. That’s really something.
I’ve been thinking about the “fruits” (pun intended – see “summit”) of Vatican II, and it occurs to me that the allegedly enlightened and inexplicably appealing buzzwords of VII have actually resulted in the precise opposite of the effects each one was supposed to be cultivating (and which the bishops were derelict enough to support). For example:
• Simplify the Faith so it would be easier to be Catholic: ==> it became easier to be seduced by the world and leave the Church.
• Active participation ==> laity left the Church by the millions, to actively participate elsewhere.
• [Lutheran] Priesthood of the laity ==> Catholic priests became virtually indistinguishable from laity, and became equally as worldly, or worse.
• Mass in the vernacular ==> Mass became a Tower of Babel.
• Optional prayers ==> individual “creativity” ==> clown “masses,” balloon “masses,” etc.
• Ecumenism ==> a handful of converts, accompanied by a massive watering down and surrender of the doctrines of the Faith to false religions.
• Enculturation ==> see “Tower of Babel.”
§ Call to lay holiness ==> lay secularization.
There is at least one other prominent example of this reverse process, that occurred long ago, when the serpent said to Eve: “…in what day soever you shall eat thereof, your eyes shall be opened: and you shall be as Gods, knowing good and evil.”
Adam and Eve believed the Devil’s promise, and they became the opposite of what he promised. Therefore I conclude that Vatican II, once hijacked, was also inspired by the Devil, starting with the forbidden fruit of “aggiornamento.”
RCA Victor,
What you describe yet again, is the “diabolical disorientation” foretold by Our Lady of Fatima. Everything is upside down, the opposite, as you point out, of what it should be.
This will only be put right, as we know, when the Consecration of Russia is carried out in the manner prescribed by Our Lady – and I can’t see that happening any time soon, with the corrupt upper hierarchy running the Vatican at the present time.
You just need to take a glance at the mitre and vestments Pope Francis is wearing and you can see immediately why the Church is in the mess it is. Has anyone else noticed the wee rainbow design in the mitre. Even that patchwork quilt he’s wearing has an element of rainbow about it.I think someone is definitely having a laugh.
These modern Popes are not remotely like the pre-Vatican II Popes, they are revolutionary right down to their mode of dress. And everyone wonders why there’s a clerical abuse crisis running up to the highest levels in the Church. Well, revolutions historically always have a sexual abuse element to them. In Russia, after the October Revolution of 1917, the homosexuality in the Kremlin was so rife it was the talk of the world, which is why it was stopped (publicly at least), it was bringing Communism into disrepute. Now the world wears homosexuality as a badge of honour while burying its head in the sand on pederasty (the greater percentage of sexual abuse crimes against minors), pretending it has nothing to do with same sex attraction.
The Pope who will put a stop to homosexuality and sexual abuse in the clergy is the Pope who will consecrate Russia to Our Lady and restore Tradition to the Church, because this is not simply a flesh and blood battle, it is a battle against the spirits in high places. In other words, this is a supernatural war between angels and demons vying for the souls of men. If men, particularly clerical men, don’t have a deep Traditional Catholic spiritual life, then they are lost, simple as that, they will fall in numbers like so many stars being dragged from heaven to earth by the tail of the great red dragon. All priests and religious need to stay close to the tabernacle in these times, and that’s why Modernism with its downplaying of the Blessed Sacrament is so deadly.
Michael Matt reckons the game is up for PF, I hope and pray he’s right (24/02/2019)
Pat, yes, I think we all agree with you there – we all hope and pray that Michael Matt is right on this occasion – big time!
This is a very telling video of Cardinal Nichols speaking about the child abuse summit. No mention of homosexuality notice. It really is a load of waffle, nothing more.
He has to be one of the most wishy washy clergymen I have ever heard. How, but how was he ever made Bishop?!! Oops, and Cardinal. He doesn’t even come over as being particularly bright either. We are indeed lions led by donkeys, and that’s putting it mildly!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6788811/Priest-returns-Catholic-Church-despite-sleeping-13-parishioners-attending-fetish-orgies.html
Wendy Walker,
that is absolutely beyond the pale. How any bishop should let this man return to priestly ministry is just too incredible for words. That priest and bishop are both heading for hell.
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