Coronavirus Connected To Fatima?

Coronavirus Connected To Fatima?

From Rorate Caeli – What does a Catholic bishop do when government orders the end of gatherings in times of Coronavirus? This:

Northern Italy is in a state of semi-lockdown due to the spread of the current most dangerous strain of the Coronavirus, as large public gatherings have been forbidden for several days in most of the regions — including Lombardy, Veneto, Liguria, Piedmont, CEmilia-Romagna.

Since some of the local “ordinanze” (decrees) include the prohibition of “religious” gatherings, and getting ahead of the public authorities, several dioceses in the region have suspended religious activities.

Now, as the very high death toll in a few days (over 50 so far, in only a week) in the Islamic Shia center of Qom, in Iran, has shown, religious gatherings can indeed lead to widespread infection and high mortality rates. But what if there is a way to keep the worship of God while complying with public demands to avoid contagion?

The Bishop of Pavia, in Lombardy, Corrado Sanguineti, shows that is possible. His pastoral letter on the matter is a lesson in common sense, and in particular we call your attention to this paragraph:

While unfortunately having to suspend the celebration of the Holy Masses until further notice, I order that Churches remain open, for the personal prayer of the faithful, and I ask that, even on weekdays, priests celebrate daily Mass, behind closed doors, praying in the name of the whole community, signaling with the sound of the bells that the Eucharist is being offered for the living and the dead: even if we cannot celebrate publicly, the liturgical prayer must not fail, which for us priests is a daily appointment of life and is an inexhaustible source of grace for all the people of God. Priests must keep in touch with the faithful, and must not fail to continue their presence among the sick and the elderly in homes and welcoming structures.

Of course, private daily Masses “without the people” are a traditional practice, and well known to Traditional Catholics, but not very common among large numbers of clergy raised with the Novus Ordo, so the reminder is necessary.   Ends


There’s another very interesting article on the subject of the Coronavirus over at Rorate Caeli – well worth reading right through, but for now, here’s an extract from the close of the piece, where the author links the miracle of the Archangel St Michael in ending that plague with the apparition of the same Archangel at Fatima…

Pope Gregory I was canonized, proclaimed Doctor of the Church and went down in history known as the “Great”. After his death the Romans  began calling the Hadrian Mausoleum “Castel Sant’Angelo” and, in remembrance of the miracle, placed at the top of the castle, the statue of St. Michael, head of the heavenly militia, in the act of sheathing his sword. Still today in the Capitoline Museum a circular stone with foot-prints is kept, which according to tradition, had been left by the Archangel when he stood to declare the end of the plague. Also Cardinal Cesare Baronio (1538-1697), considered one of the greatest historians of the Church for the rigor of his research, confirms the apparition of the Angel on top of the castle. (Odorico Ranaldi, Annali ecclesiastici tratti da quelli del cardinal Baronio, anno 590, Appresso Vitale Mascardi, Roma 1643, pp. 175-176).

We note only that if the Angel, thanks to the appeal of St. Gregory, sheathed his sword, it means that it had been first drawn to punish the sins of the Roman people. The Angels in fact are the executors of divine punishments on people, as the dramatic vision of the Third Secret of Fatima reminds us, by calling us to repentance: “an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendor Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice ‘Penance, Penance, Penance!’”

Is the spread of the Coronavirus related in some way to the vision of the Third Secret? The future will tell us. However the appeal to penance remains of prime urgency for our age and the prime remedy to guarantee our salvation, in time and eternity. The words of St. Gregory the Great must resound again in our hearts: “What will we say of the terrible events of which we are witnesses if not that they are predictions of a future wrath? Think then dearest brothers, with extreme care to that day, correct your lives, change your habits, defeat with all your might the temptations of evil, punish with tears, sins committed” (Omelia prima sui Vangeli, in Il Tempo di Natale nella Roma di Gregorio Magno, Acqua Pia Antica Marcia, Roma 2008, pp. 176-177).

It is these words, not the dream of Amazzonia felix, that today are needed in the Church which appears the way St. Gregory described it in his times: “A very old ship, horrifically gashed; waves and rotted planks getting in everywhere; shaken everyday by a violent tempest, foreshadowing a shipwreck (Registrum I, 4 ad Ioann. episcop. Constantinop.)”. But way back then Divine Providence called forth a helmsman, who, as St. Pius X states: “amid the raging waves was able not only to dock in the harbor, but also secure the ship from future storms” (Enciclica Jucunda sane del 12 marzo 1904) Ends.

So… Is the Catholic response to the Coronavirus simply prayer and penance?  Really?  Why?  

Comments (59)

  • Deacon Augustine

    Please consider the following confluence of timings in October 2019:

    1) The idol/statue of a pagan goddess is venerated in the Holy See in the presence of the Holy Father. An offering to it is subsequently received in an offertory procession at St Peter’s and placed on the altar.

    2) Sister Agnes Sasigawa (sp.?) of Akita receives another vision from the same angel who warned her years earlier of chastisements to come. She calls for penance/sackcloth and ashes and praying of the “penitential Rosary”.

    3) Later that same month a viral pestilence is unleashed upon the face of the earth (the exact source of which is still uncertain) in that same country in which the faithful and martryrs to the faith are suffering heightened levels of persecution following their betrayal into the hands of Communist devils by that same Holy See.

    That pestilence has been followed by death, and famine is hot on its heels – food is running out in Wuhan and other parts of China. They are net importers of food and all their ports are not functioning because they are in lockdown. Their crops are also threatened by huge plagues of locusts which have moved into Asia from North Africa and the Midlle East.

    That pestilence is now spreading to the rest of the world in a global pandemic and what follows it is only weeks away.

    Yes, this is connected to Fatima just as Akita is connected to Fatima. Prayer and penance are needed, but that penance is needed most in Rome where Almighty God has been most betrayed by the apostates who have taken up residence there. However, we must ALL do penance for the idolatry which has taken place – for our sakes, the sake of the Holy Father, the Church and the world.

    Prayer, penance and some practical preparation are in order.

    February 24, 2020 at 4:08 pm
    • westminsterfly

      Where did you learn that Sr Agnes Sasagawa had received a further vision?

      February 24, 2020 at 4:33 pm
      • editor


        There is a claim that Sr Agnes had a further vision on 6 October, timed with the Amazon Synod scandal.

        It is available on YouTube – a young Irishman repeating a claim made by a priest that there has been a further apparition and Our Lady is asking for daily “repentance” rosary and “ashes” – i.e. penance. That’s it. No mention of the Amazon Synod, which would have been a help. We already know about the daily rosary and penance.

        February 24, 2020 at 6:43 pm
      • Deacon Augustine

        WMF, there is a link to one of the reports here:

        February 24, 2020 at 6:52 pm
      • Josephine

        Deacon Augustine,

        I read that message but it actually didn’t convince me. Nothing about it rings true, especially the angel saying “I am something that protects you”. I’d be interested to know what you and the others here think about it.

        February 24, 2020 at 8:13 pm
    • editor

      Deacon Augustine,

      I’m afraid I don’t believe the alleged apparitions at Akita. I did, at first, thinking (for one thing) that they were approved but turns out this is not the case. The Bishop was quick to say he believed it from the get-go, contrary to the practice of the Church which is always to be sceptical until clear enough evidence emerges. Then Cardinal Ratzinger was said to approve it, based on a part-quotation. I don’t have the article to hand which I quoted somewhere on this blog back in 2016 but, on reflecting on the claims, I am, to say the least, doubtful now. I find it difficult to imagine Our Lady, having entrusted the Third Secret to three illiterate children in 1917 at Fatima, warning about the diabolical disorientation to come, then returning so much later to visit a convent of modernist Sisters, where the alleged “seer” refers twice to the angel (in the apparition) as “she”. That is to say, where diabolical disorientation is writ large.

      I had posted a video on our blog in February 2016, without first viewing it, at the time when I was sympathetic to the claimed apparitions, so when one of our bloggers pointed out certain things in the video (the modernist ethos, the angel as “she” etc) I was taken aback and forced to re-think the matter.

      Traditionally, when weighing up claims of apparitions, the Church authorities have always taken the view that just one discrepancy is sufficient to dismiss the claims. A bit like a Judge in court catching out a witness in a lie. That suffices to nullify the rest of that witness’s testimony.

      As I’ve said over and over again on this blog, I don’t see any need to consider any unapproved (or doubtful) apparitions when we have Fatima unfulfilled – the most important event in the 20th century. It’s manifestly obvious that the concealed part of the Third Secret is a warning about what would happen if, as Pope Pius XII warned, the Church altered the Faith in its liturgy, its theology and its soul.

      I imagine that Our Lady has gone on strike until the Fatima prophecies are fulfilled.

      February 24, 2020 at 6:42 pm
      • Josephine


        That’s an interesting comment but I can’t find any doubters online. All the links are assuming that Akita is true. If you can provide a source, I’d welcome that.

        February 24, 2020 at 8:02 pm
      • RCAVictor


        Our blogger Athanasius did a detailed critique of the Akita apparitions some years ago, and uncovered many suspicious points. Perhaps Editor, with lots of free time on her hands, could dig up that post….

        February 24, 2020 at 11:01 pm
      • editor

        RCA Victor,

        Your wish – as ever – is my command…

        February 24, 2020 at 11:34 pm


        Editor: we do not promote any alleged apparitions. Only approved apparitions, such as Fatima, Lourdes. Akita is not approved, nor is Garabandal or Medjugorje. Since Fatima is manifestly the most important event in the history of the world, and the most important matter affecting us at this present time, we don’t need to (nor should we) spend time following unapproved alleged apparitions.

        July 19, 2020 at 11:47 pm
    • Margaret USA

      What is a “penitential rosary”? Is it the Sorrowful Mysteries?

      February 27, 2020 at 2:53 am
      • Fidelis

        Margaret USA,

        I wondered that, too – I just presumed it meant a rosary offered in penance or reparation.

        When you think of it, though, Our Lady at Fatima always explained what she was saying or showing the children (“you have seen Hell” etc) so why not explain a “penitential rosary” since that different from every other apparition where she just asked for the rosary?

        February 27, 2020 at 10:04 am
    • Liam jenkinson

      Corona etc why is canon 935 not being invoked. Maximilian Kolbe kept the Eucharist in his spectacle case in Auschwitz Titus brandisima did a similar thing. In the early church the faithful were allowed to take the Eucharist home with them to be consumed on days when they could not get to mass.

      Editor: this Coronavirus “crisis” is no such thing. It’s entirely contrived, Liam. And the modernist clergy are using it as yet one more excuse to weaken, and ultimately destroy, the Faith. Don’t fall for it.

      Because of abortifacient use etc the world is one big death camp state control is also manifest since I have just had the latest visit to my home by the police (one of four visits) telling me I must take down the abortion posters in our car because of section 5 of the Public Order Act. I refused and await further developments and have written to the chief constable because the last visit was harassment and intimidatory in clear contravention of Margaret my wife and my own citizens rights to protest freely. Prayers needed. Thanks Liam Margaret and family.

      Editor: that’s disgraceful about the police etc. For future reference, though, Liam, we have a dedicated pro-life thread so you can always post anything relevant to LIFE issues there. Here’s the link

      March 11, 2020 at 6:59 pm
  • RCAVictor

    That is a beautiful article by Dr. Mattei, and it would certainly behoove Catholic bishops (if there are any left) around the world to organize processions in their dioceses as penance for this newest scourge. I doubt if the Bishop of Rome would order such a procession to lead by example, when in fact his modus operandi is to lead by deception, cover-up, and stealth destruction, but that shouldn’t prevent other bishops from acting in a Catholic manner.

    However, it would seem that all is not what it appears to be regarding this virus. There is a current article on LifeSiteNews about its alleged deadliness, and some pretty fair information about its origin as a designer virus:

    February 24, 2020 at 5:02 pm
    • Josephine

      RCA Victor,

      That’s a really chilling report from Lifesitenews and left me wondering if this “man-made virus” has been designed to replace the one-child, then two-child birth control policy in China, as a means of killing off the older generation and vulnerable people who are the most susceptible to it.

      I agree about the bishops – there are very few who will think of organising processions of prayer etc IMHO.

      February 24, 2020 at 8:08 pm
  • RCAVictor

    And speaking of the connection to Fatima, the other day I received an email from “Preserving Christian Publications” regarding their publication of a booklet (actually an old article) claiming that the Vision of the Third Secret was all she wrote.

    Thanks to some behind-the-scenes correspondence which Editor facilitated while she was out pubbing and clubbing, I’ve been directed to two refutations by Christopher Ferrara regarding this nonsense.

    Here is the publication page:

    Ferrara’s first refutation (a PDF):

    Ferrara’s summary of the above critique (which is 44 pages):

    February 24, 2020 at 5:14 pm
    • editor

      RCA Victor,

      I’ve just skimmed the first part of Ferrara’s article (second link – “Ferrara’s first refutation”) and it brings back lots of memories of the work carried out by the Fatima Center to expose the Vatican falsehoods about the Third Secret. That this group – PCP – is linked to Tradition, Family, Property and sides with Cardinal Bertone against Socci, immediately discredits their claims. Bertone, if you recall, was caught – how can I put it – being economical with the truth on Italian national television in a discussion with Socci about the Third Secret.

      I’m looking forward to reading the rest of the first refutation and then Ferrara’s summary in your second link.

      February 24, 2020 at 11:45 pm
  • RCAVictor

    There may be another connection to Fatima in this corona virus situation. In his “Your Questions Answered” videos, Father Gruner, RIP, stated several times that he and his staff concluded that the Popes have not performed the Consecration and released the Third Secret because they have been threatened with some sort of massive calamity being unleashed if they obey Our Lady.

    In other words, the Popes are afraid to do their duty.

    But what if the release of one of these designer viruses – that is, biological warfare – was/is one of those threats?

    February 24, 2020 at 10:46 pm
    • editor

      RCA Victor,

      There, I have to disagree. I don’t think such a detail as a “designer virus” would be part of any revelation from Our Lady – and given the sheer worldliness of the present Pope and his entourage, I think if it were, they’d scream it from the rooftops. Saving people from earthly suffering and death is right up their humanist street.

      No, I think Pius XII hit some nails on some heads when he expressed his concerns about the direction of the Church’s dissenters who were causing the Church to “self-doubt” etc. His remarks about the dangers that threaten the Church by altering the Faith in its liturgy, theology and soul. THAT the powers-that-be most certainly do NOT want leaking into the public domain.

      It’s so obvious, it seems to me, that it’s as if we are actually reading the Third Secret ourselves now, just about every day of the week! God is certainly making us think with the extreme weather and diseases, of which the Coronavirus is the latest (but don’t forget HIV and other STD’s, that wouldn’t be fair…) But the Third Secret, I have no doubt, is primarily, if not totally, about the destruction of the Church, humanly speaking.

      February 24, 2020 at 11:53 pm
      • Margaret USA

        As I’ve posted ad nauseam on other blogs, the ONLY way the crisis in the Church is going to end is when:

        1) the real Third Secret is revealed, i.e. the exact words of Our Lady which follow: “In Portugal, the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved…” and which are held by “etc” in the Fourth Memoir of +Sister Lucia


        2) when the Holy Father orders and makes in union with all the bishops of the world the Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

        NO pope – from Pius XI to Francis – has done it exactly as God asked, c.f. the words of Our Lady June 13, 1929.

        When God wants something done, He wants it done HIS way, not the way we’d like Him to do it.

        Sorry for the long post.

        Margaret 🇺🇸

        February 25, 2020 at 12:37 am
      • RCAVictor


        I think you misunderstood my post. I was not saying that the threat of biological warfare was contained in Our Lady’s revelations. I was speculating that the [Freemasonic] threats made against the Popes, should they dare to perform the Consecration, reveal the Third Secret, etc., might include the threat of a biological warfare agent being released on a large scale against some portion of the world’s population.

        February 25, 2020 at 3:05 pm
      • editor

        RCA Victor,

        Oh, I get it now… What can I say, except…

        February 25, 2020 at 5:49 pm
  • westminsterfly

    The town of Coimbra (Portugal) having been visited by a violent pestilence, the nuns of St Clare offered their prayers in the following form, whereupon the contagion instantly ceased. This holy prayer, left to the above-named monastery, has preserved many places from contagion where it is recited daily with confidence in God and the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary. It has arrested this scourge in many places.

    Stella Coeli

    The Star of Heaven that nourished the Lord
    drove away the plague of death which the first
    parents of man brought into the world. May
    this bright Star now vouchsafe to extinguish
    that foul constellation whose battles have
    slain the people with the wound of death.
    O most pious Star of the Sea, preserve us from
    pestilence; hear us, O Lady, for Thy Son honours
    Thee by denying Thee nothing. Save us, O Jesus,
    for whom Thy Virgin Mother supplicates Thee.
    V: Pray for us, O Holy Mother of God.
    R: That we may be made worthy of the promises
    of Christ.

    Let us pray

    O God of mercy, God of pity, God of benign clemency,
    Thou Who hast had compassion on the affliction of Thy
    people, and hast said to the angel striking them, “Stop thy
    hand;” for the love of this glorious Star, whose breasts
    Thou didst sweetly drink as antidote for our crimes,
    grant the assistance of Thy grace, that we may be safely freed
    from all pestilence, and from unprovided death; and mercifully
    save us from the gulf of eternal perdition: through Thee,
    Lord Jesus Christ, King of Glory, who livest and reignest,
    world without end. Amen.

    February 26, 2020 at 10:22 am
    • editor


      Thank you for posting that prayer as this dreadful plague spreads.

      Today’s news reports that it has now spread from Italy into other European countries. And we have schools in the UK closing down following the return of staff and pupils from Italy, and that includes schools in Northern Ireland, so a spread to the south of Ireland is possible, too.

      The prayer offered by the nuns of St Clare is more than welcome. Thank you.

      February 26, 2020 at 10:47 am
  • Nicky

    I do see the connection between Fatima and the Coronavirus. I have just posted a short homily by a priest speaking about the Coronavirus on the Lent blog. He is speaking about the spiritual side of this virus.

    February 26, 2020 at 4:13 pm
  • catholicconvert1

    I read on Lifesitenews that euthanasia and assisted dying has been approved by the Portuguese Parliament. This proves that the statement, ‘in Portugal the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved’ was conditional upon the action of the Pope at that time.

    February 26, 2020 at 8:12 pm
    • Laura

      Catholic Convert 1,

      I disagree. I have read on this blog many times, and it’s stuck with me because it makes sense to me, that the “etc” in that sentence could be that Our Lady said the dogma of the faith would be preserved in Portugal if the Catholic there remained true to the traditional Mass and doctrines.”

      That came out in a discussion when someone said that they’d been to Portugal and it was as novus ordo as everywhere else. That Our Lady made it conditional upon the faithfulness of the people to the truths of the faith and liturgy, makes more sense than “the action of the Pope at that time.” I am not sure what you meant by that but if you meant the consecration of Russia, that can’t be it, because Our Lady told the seers that the consecration would be done “but it will be late.”

      February 26, 2020 at 8:41 pm
  • westminsterfly

    Gloria TV carried this item today:-

    Strange Coincidence: Coronavirus and Fatima

    Cristina Siccardi pointed out on Correspondenza Romana a strange coincidence. While the world is fighting the coronavirus, on February 20, the centenary of the death of Saint Jacinta Marto was celebrated, one of the seers of Fatima. She died at the age of ten because of the Spanish flu, the coronavirus of her time. Her brother Francisco had died ten months earlier also at the age of 10.

    A Pandemic

    Between 1918 and 1920, the virus of the Spanish flu infected about 500 million people, including some inhabitants of remote islands in the Pacific Ocean and the Arctic Ocean, causing the deaths of 50 to 100 million people, three to five percent of the world population at the time. It caused more victims than the 14th century Black Plague. Before Jacinta died she spent almost seven months in hospital.

    Dramatic Words

    Speaking about the people who are far away from God, the ten-year-old Jacinta exclaimed: “If they only knew that the acts of this earthly life have eternal value.” She said that this is the big problem of modern man, “He no longer knows what he is doing in this world, and thus searches hard for the meaning of things, without ever finding it.” Jacinta died completely alone in a Lisbon hospital.

    Signs of Times

    The centenary of Jacinta’s death coincides with a time when Mass is suspended in big parts of Italy, the country where the Vatican is located. Italy is among the countries most infected by the coronavirus. Lent begins with the quarantine of many. Never before as now, the Church keeps speaking about the signs of the times, and never before it was so unwilling to see and listen to them.

    February 27, 2020 at 10:57 am
    • Laura

      Westminster Fly,

      I didn’t know that St Jacinta died completely alone in a Lisbon hospital. That’s very sad.

      She’s one of the few among the “fast-tracked” canonisations that deserves the title “Saint”. She is wonderful saint.

      It struck me, too, about Italy being one of the countries most infected by the virus, where the Vatican is etc. Nothing, though, seems to make this pope think about Fatima, he’s so worldly-led all the time.

      February 27, 2020 at 7:48 pm
      • westminsterfly

        Yes, the whole moving story of St Jacinta’s death is covered in Frere Michel de la Sainte Trinite’s masterly trilogy on Fatima ‘The Whole Truth About Fatima’ (Sadly now out of print but second-hand copies can be picked up online).
        I have also found three online versions but can’t vouch for the accuracy of translation or who is behind putting the books online:-
        Volume 1:
        Volume 2:
        Volume 3:

        The part on St Jacinta and her death is here in Chapter IV of Volume 2:

        It is a coincidence that St Francisco died in 1919 and St Jacinta died in 1920, both of a coronavirus (Spanish Flu) and exactly 100 years later, the COVID-19 coronavirus started in 2019 and continues into 2020 . . .

        March 2, 2020 at 4:38 pm
  • gabriel syme

    It is being reported that Pope Francis is sick, although no details are given beyond the fact it is claimed to be minor. Perhaps just a common cold. In any case, today is the 2nd day of engagements he has cancelled.

    The SSPX has criticised the Government enforced suspension of masses in parts of Italy, noting that supermarkets and other places where large groups congregate remain open.

    The Society also criticised the Italian Bishops “astonishing” meek acceptance of this, pointing out they become inflamed at hearing of deforestation of the Amazon, but say nothing when Christian worship is banned.

    It is interesting to wonder what part the novus ordo “sign of peace” – where dozens or hundreds of people all shake hands, even kissing or hugging each other – may have played in this decision to suspend worship.

    Also, could the novus ordo battaltions of EMHC issuing communion at every mass have had an impact, as well as the entire congregation drinking from the same 2 or 3 chalices for their protestant ‘blood of Christ’?

    Perhaps these features of the novus ordo could explain why masses are suspended, but other busy public places carry on as normal?

    February 28, 2020 at 1:25 pm
    • Robin

      Gabriel Syme,

      Is the man stupid? In your first link there is a YouTube video where he’s looking pale and ill, coughing and sneezing and then goes on walkabout to shake hands and kiss babies! In a country where hundreds of people have the Coronavirus, and several towns are in lockdown! This pope is a walking disaster, on every level.

      February 28, 2020 at 8:24 pm
      • editor

        Robin & Gabriel Syme,

        I was so astonished at seeing that video on the Telegraph link, that I copied it from YouTube – seeing is definitely believing. What on earth was Pope Francis thinking, shaking hands and mingling with the crowd? Ridiculous. Not so long ago he was telling us to “obey” the authorities, institutions like the United Nations. Well, what about the World Health Organisation tips to avoid spreading the plague? Outrageous.

        February 28, 2020 at 11:37 pm
  • Helen

    Let us pray for a happy death for him……………………

    February 29, 2020 at 2:04 pm
  • crofterlady

    He only has one lung apparently.

    February 29, 2020 at 2:05 pm
  • Elizabeth

    Whatever the source of this outbreak, I think we all need to understand that for those of us over say 65 the corona virus may well make us seriously ill or indeed prove fatal. My son is a WHO infectious disease doctor and has been quite honest in his warnings to us to be prepared to self isolate etc. But above all we do need to think about whether we have tried to put our souls in order. Lent is a good and timely occasion to address this as we do not know if it will be our last, undoubtedly for some I suppose, so we should take it seriously.

    March 2, 2020 at 12:12 pm
  • westminsterfly

    This looks interesting:-

    March 2, 2020 at 12:13 pm
  • Michaela

    I see from Graeme on General Discussion that the Archbishop of Edinburgh has banned Communion on the tongue (and other stuff) to prevent spread of Coronavirus. There’s no news of any other Scottish bishops doing anything but Father Z covered this a while back

    March 2, 2020 at 2:22 pm
    • editor

      Graeme & Michaela,

      I visited the website of the Archdiocese of St Andrew’s & Edinburgh and after quite a search, found a link to Coronavirus, but it was the advice from the English & Welsh bishops.

      Here’s an extract:

      Advice for Parishes & Community Facilities….

      # 2 Ask anyone with cold or flu symptoms to refrain from taking communion from the Chalice and receive the host on the hand only. (We should be doing this anyway, every ‘flu season.)

      # 8 There is no need as things stand, for the Chalice to be withdrawn or the sign of peace suspended, such as was advised during the 2009 ‘flu pandemic. This advice would only come if we had a very serious epidemic in the UK and at the time of writing this is unlikely. End of Extract…

      So, no-one to approach for Communion on the tongue – but everyone may drinking from the same chalice, is just fine. Does that make sense to you, because it doesn’t make sense to me and moi. We’re both confused !

      I had a text earlier this afternoon informing me that Bishop Toal (Motherwell Diocese) has “forbidden Communion on the tongue due to Coronavirus” so I think we can take it that this will be the mood music across Scotland.

      March 2, 2020 at 4:37 pm
    • Vianney


      Communion on the tongue is still be being given in the Edinburgh Archdiocese although apparently all the other diocese have banned it.

      March 9, 2020 at 10:53 pm
  • Josephine

    On the BBC local Scottish news tonight, there was a report about the Catholic cathedral in Glasgow (St Andrew’s) showing the empty holy water font. They spoke to a man outside who said they were taking all necessary precautions, or something like that.

    Is that not ridiculous? As if dipping in the fingers to bless ourselves is going to lead to sickness and death! Just as well these snowflake Catholics are not being asked to shed their life’s blood like the martyrs of old! When you think of the power of holy water, you can see how the devil has a very easy time leading people astray these days!

    March 5, 2020 at 9:26 pm
    • editor


      With respect, you’re missing the point. We must conform our behaviour to the standards set by our political masters. It’s just GOD’S law that is expendable. Gerragrip, woman 😀

      March 5, 2020 at 10:55 pm
    • Vianney


      You are right, it is ridiculous. If holy water can see off Auld Nick it can see off a virus.

      March 9, 2020 at 10:49 pm
  • editor

    A reader in England emailed today as follows:

    If any priest denies Holy Communion on the tongue because of COVID 19, show them this:

    March 6, 2020 at 4:52 pm
  • Josephine

    This article from the Rorate Caeli blogspot on Covid 19 and self-isolation is very interesting

    I’m puzzled at the hype, though, because everyone in charge admits that thousands of people die every year from flu, and this is just an unknown strain of the flu. I wish they would just get down to finding something to beat this virus instead of making out it’s like the plague.

    March 9, 2020 at 5:36 pm
    • Athanasius


      There is no mystery to the hype and panic being generated over Covid 19, it’s a deliberate attempt by the world’s controlled media to crash the markets and economies of the West, principally in an attempt to bring Trump down at the next election. Many senior GOP senators are already onto what’s happening and are being very vocal about it. This is a geopolitical strategy by the cultural Marxists to change the political landscape in America, though it is also crashing our own economy and others in the process.

      March 9, 2020 at 7:29 pm
      • Josephine


        That’s incredible. What I can’t understand is how this could bring Trump down when it is affecting the economies of the whole world? Trump’s enemies must be real idiots not to realise that he can’t be blamed for an illness, for goodness sake.

        I’ve watched the Democrat party make fools of themselves from their persecution of Judge Kavanaugh to the impeachment of Donald Trump – they don’t seem to learn that if you don’t have truth on your side, you’re going to lose!

        March 9, 2020 at 9:28 pm
      • Athanasius


        The single most powerful claim to a second term for Donald Trump is the strong U.S. economy he has built, it’s why so many Americans plan to vote him in a second time. All else having failed, it seems to me that the Coronavirus is being politicised by the Left, which controls the media, to essentially collapse the American economy. That all other economies will take a knock at the same time will be seen as a price worth paying to bring Trump down. At the moment he stands in the way of globalist Marxist domination, particularly China from whence, oddly enough, the Coronavirus emerged.

        There is no other rational explanation for the present media hype and panic being generated over a flu virus with a less than 3% death rate. As an aside, I note on the news tonight that the Chinese have now effectively taken control of British Steel. The blindness of our UK government just beggers belief. And not a word anywhere about the current persecution of Catholics in China!

        March 10, 2020 at 12:10 am
      • editor


        I can see Josephine’s point. It would be one thing to try to bring down the US economy in order to unseat Trump, but surely they know the voters won’t blame Trump if the rest of the world’s economies are likewise buckling? I think the American people will still vote for Trump, knowing that any hit to the economy is despite, not because of, his successful policies.

        From Takeaways to Takeovers…

        Totally agree about British Steel and the Chinese takeover. It’s beyond belief that the UK Government would permit a Communist dictatorship, a super-power like China to have so much leverage, between this news today and allowing Huawei into its networks – it really does beggar belief.

        March 10, 2020 at 12:32 am
      • Athanasius


        I think damaging the U.S. economy to negatively impact Trump’s 2020 re-election campaign is only one of several objectives. The greatest of all gains for the Left would be the Chinese economy capitalising on weakened Western markets to further tighten it’s grip and meet its goal of becoming the strongest economy in the world. The U.S. currently holds that position and is therefore able to keep China in its box, no thanks to the Westminster and Scottish governments who are rpesently bending over backwards to please their Communist friends.

        March 10, 2020 at 11:44 am
      • John

        This could be the pretext the globalists have been waiting for to try and usher in more of their NWO adgenda.
        I found the following article quite interesting.

        March 9, 2020 at 11:46 pm
      • editor


        “quite interesting” is the understatement of the century. I will be sleeping with one eye open tonight – believe me!

        March 10, 2020 at 12:39 am
  • gabriel syme

    I think this virus issue is being hijacked to try to finally kill off communion on the tongue.

    When receiving that way, the priest does not actually touch one’s tongue – only the host does.

    Also, the health advice to lower transmission rates are all about hand washing, not tongue washing.

    Our hands are the vehicle for the spread of germs – they touch others, door handles, all kinds of public objects which are touched by many others, handles on buses, trolleys at the shops, etc. It is hands which are the problem, not tongues.

    The health advice says most people get germs by touching a contaminated object, and then touching their own face. So, regardless of the person distributing communion, but the recipients own hands taking the host to their mouth is a major risk.

    And while traditionally, only the priest issues communion – after washing his hands -, the modern mass introduces many lay people – and their hands – to this role (and they do not ritually wash their hands beforehand).

    I usually go to a first saturday TLM at a local diocesan church – it was on as usual on the 1st saturday in March.

    However there was also an announcement that the diocese had banned everything other than regularly scheduled masses, confession and anointing of the sick.

    So, the usual devotions after mass were cancelled. We were also told we had to leave the building promptly after mass and not allow to linger to greet people we knew etc.

    Some of this advice & policy is no doubt of value, but I think the ban on communion on the tongue is misguided and is more about “being seen to do something” and possible other agendas.

    March 10, 2020 at 10:14 am
    • editor

      Gabriel Syme,

      I attended the First Saturday Mass in the SSPX church in Glasgow and it was business as usual.

      March 10, 2020 at 11:14 am
      • gabriel syme


        I am not surprised, I think the SSPX reaction to this virus has been much more measured than that of the various talking shops, er “Bishops conferences”.

        March 10, 2020 at 1:00 pm
    • Athanasius

      Gabriel Syme

      I think these iniquitous rules by the bishops demonstrates again both their ignorance and their lack of trust in God. Coronavirus is a flu-like virus, like so many other strains, that carries no threat to the healthy young people and adults. It has a less than 3% death rate, less than Flu itself, posing a risk only to the elderly and people with pre-existing serious health issues.

      Hence, we see how our bishops are now so blind and worldly that they believe the hype and panic in the media and react like puppets. The wisdom of God no longer guides them, as it should, and their trust in God is extremely questionable.

      Maybe for some opportunists the Coronavirus represents a Modernist opening to suppress Catholic devotion, but the majority by far are just sheep led by secular propaganda.

      March 10, 2020 at 11:55 am
      • gabriel syme


        You make a good point about how secular concerns are far more pressing to modern Bishops, than anything to do with faith.

        Someone said a similar thing to me recently, saying that the Church – locally and universally – operates chiefly as a political entity these days.

        March 10, 2020 at 1:01 pm
      • Athanasius

        Gabriel Syme

        Yes, modern Churchmen, from the Pope down, are Socialists, far more concerned with this world than the next. It’s loss of supernatural faith.

        March 10, 2020 at 1:34 pm
  • Therese

    March 10, 2020 at 10:50 am

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