Coronavirus: Archbishop Says Church Measures Show Satan At Work …

Coronavirus: Archbishop Says Church Measures Show Satan At Work …

From The Remnant Website…

Interview with Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano [pictured]

Michael J. Matt (MJM): Your Excellency, how do you feel ordinary Catholics are to assess the covid-19 pandemic?

+ Carlo Maria Viganò:  The coronavirus pandemic, as with all diseases and death itself, [is] a consequence of original sin. The sin of Adam, our first parent, deprived him and us not only of divine grace, but also all the other good things God gave to creation. Then disease and death came into the world as a punishment for disobeying God. The Redemption we were promised in the Protoevangelium (Genesis 3), prophesied in the Old Testament and brought to completion with the Incarnation, Passion, Death and Resurrection of Our Lord, redeemed Adam and his descendants from eternal damnation; but its consequences were left as a mark of the Fall and will only finally be restored at the Resurrection of the flesh, as we proclaim in the Creed, and which will happen before Judgment Day. This must be remembered, especially at a time when the basic tenets of the Catechism are unknown or denied.
Catholics know that disease – and therefore epidemics, suffering, and losing a loved one – must be accepted in a spirit of faith and humility, even in atonement for our own personal sins. Thanks to the Communion of Saints – thanks to whom the merits of all the baptized are passed on to everyone else in the Church – we may also bear these trials for the sins of others, for the conversion of those who do not believe, and to shorten the time the Holy Souls have to spend in Purgatory. Something as terrible as covid-19 can also be an opportunity for us to grow in Faith and active Charity.  As we have seen, if we only consider the clinical side of the disease – which plainly we must do everything we can to fight – completely removes the transcendental side of our lives, thus leaving them without any spiritual outlook and inevitably locking us into blind and hopeless selfishness.

MJM: Several Bishops and Priests have claimed the God “does not punish” and that considering coronavirus as a scourge is a “pagan idea.” Do you agree?

The first ever punishment, as I was saying, was visited upon our first parent. However, as we hear in the Exsultet which is sung during the Easter Vigil, O felix culpa, qui talem ac tantum meruit habere Redemptorem! O happy fault, that merited to possess such and so great a Redeemer!
A father who does not punish his children does not love them, but neglects them; a doctor who uncaringly observes the patient getting worse until gangrene does not want his recovery. God is a loving Father because He teaches us what we have to do to be worthy of eternal happiness in Paradise. When we disobey His commandments by sinning, He does not let us die but comes to find us and sends us many signs, often very sternly. Then we mend our ways, repent, do penance, and return to our old friendship with Him. You are my friends, if you do the things that I command you. I think the words of Our Lord leave no room for ambiguity.
I should also like to add that the truth about a just God Who rewards the good and punishes the wicked is part of our common inheritance from natural law which Our lord gave everyone throughout history. An irrepressible call to our earthly paradise, which shows even pagans how the Catholic Faith is the necessary completion of everything which sincere and well-disposed hearts suggest to them. I am surprised that nowadays, instead of stressing this truth written deeply into everyone’s hearts, those who seem to feel such great sympathy for the pagans fail to accept something the Church has always considered the best way of attracting them.

MJM: Does Your Excellency feel that there are certain sins which have provoked the wrath of God rather than others?

The crimes which stain each of us in the eyes of God are another hammer blow on the very nails used to pierce Our Lord’s sacred and venerable Hands, a lash ripping away the flesh from His Sacred Body, a spit in His beloved Face. If only we realized these things, we would never sin again. And sinners would weep with profound sorrow for the rest of their lives. And yet here is what really happened: during His Passion, our divine Saviour took upon Himself not just original sin, but also all the sins all men have committed and will commit. The most glorious thing is that Our Lord went to die on the Cross, when just one drop of his Most Precious Blood would have been enough to redeem us all. Cujus una stilla salvum facere totum mundum quit ab omni scelere, as Saint Thomas teaches us.
As well as the sins committed by individuals, there are also the sins of societies, of nations. Abortion, which is still murdering innocent children even during the pandemic; divorce, euthanasia, the abhorrence of so-called gay “marriages,” the celebration of sodomy and other terrible perversions, pornography, the corruption of children, speculation by the financial elite, the profaning of Sundays, and the list goes on…

MJM: May we ask why Your Excellency makes a distinction between the sins of individuals and the sins of nations?

Saint Thomas Aquinas teaches that it is the duty of the individual to recognize, worship, and obey the one true God. By the same token societies – which comprise many individuals – cannot fail to recognize God and ensure that their laws allow members of society to reach the spiritual end to which they have been destined. There are nations which do not merely ignore God, but deny Him openly. There are those which require their citizens to accept laws against natural morals and Catholic teaching, such as recognizing the right to abortion, euthanasia, and sodomy. Others corrupt children and violate their innocence. Those who allow people to blaspheme God’s Divine Majesty cannot evade God’s punishment. Public sins require public confession and public atonement, if public forgiveness is sought. Let us not forget that the ecclesiastical community, which is also a society, is not exempt from heavenly punishment when its leaders become responsible for collective offences.

MJM: Is Your Excellency saying that the Church can have faults?

The Church has always been unfailingly holy, because She is the Mystical Body of Our Lord and Savior, and it would be not only rash but indeed blasphemous even to begin to consider that this divine institution which Providence placed on this earth to provide us all with Grace as the only Ark of Salvation might be even minimally imperfect. The praises we sing of the Mother of God – whom we call precisely Mater Ecclesiae – can be sung of the Church, the Mediatrix of all graces via the Sacraments, the Mother of Our Lord, onto Whose limbs it holds. The Church is the Ark of the Covenant, guardian of the Blessed Sacrament and the Commandments. The Church is the Refuge of Sinners, to whom it grants pardon after a good confession. It is Health of the Sick, upon whom it has always lavished much care. This Queen of Peace promotes harmony by preaching the Gospel. However, it is also terrible as an army set in battle array, because Our Lord has given his sacred ministers the power to crush demons and the authority of the Keys to Heaven. Let us not forget that the Church is not only the Church Militant here on earth, but also the Church Triumphant and the Church Penitent, whose members are all saints.

I must also say that although the Church is holy, some of Her members and of Her hierarchy here on earth may be sinners. In these troubled times, there have been many clerics unworthy of the name, as the abuse scandals committed by them and, unfortunately, even Bishops and Cardinals, have shown. The faithlessness of the Sacred Pastors is a scandal for their confreres and for many among the faithful, not only in terms of lust of thirst for power, but also – I might say especially – when they touch the integrity of the Faith, the purity of the Church’s teachings and the holiness of morals. They have even committed acts of unprecedented gravity, such as we saw with the adoration of the pachamama idol in the Vatican itself. Indeed, I think Our Lord has rightly become indignant at the great multitude of scandals committed by those who ought to be setting a good example, because they are Shepherds, to the flocks to whom they have been entrusted.
Let us not forget that the example given by so many in the Hierarchy is not merely a scandal for Catholics: it is a scandal for those outside who look at the Church as a lighthouse and a point of reference. Nor is this all: this scourge cannot dispense the Church, in her Hierarchy, from making a proper examination of her conscience for giving in to the spirit of this world. She cannot escape her duty to condemn firmly all those errors she has allowed in after the second Vatican Council, which have brought down upon her all those just punishments. We must mend our ways and return to God.
It pains me to have to say that even now, after we have seen the divine wrath beating down upon the world, we go on offending the Majesty of God by speaking of mother earth demanding respect, as the Pope said a few days ago in his umpteenth interview. What we must do is ask forgiveness for the sacrilege perpetrated in the Basilica of Saint Peter’s, and reconsecrate it before the Holy Sacrifice of Mass can be said there. We should also call a public procession to show penance, even if only Prelates take part under the Pope’s guidance. They must call down the mercy of God upon themselves and upon His people. This would be a sign of that true humility we are all waiting to see, as reparation for all the offences committed.
How are we to contain our bewilderment when we hear words like those said in Santa Marta on 26 March? The Pope said, “The Lord must not find us, at the end of our lives, and say to us, ‘You are corrupt. You have left the path I showed you. You have bowed down before idols’.” Such words as these are truly bewildering, especially if we remember that he himself brought off a terrible sacrilege before the eyes and ears of the whole world, before the very Altar of the Confession of Saint Peter, a real profanation, an act of pure apostasy, with those filthy and satanic images of pachamama.

MJM: On the Feast of the Annunciation of Our Lady, the Bishops of Portugal and of Spain dedicated their countries to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. The Bishops of Ireland and of England and Wales did the same. In many Dioceses and towns elsewhere, the Bishops and the local authorities have placed their communities under the protection of Mary Most Holy. How does Your Excellency consider these events?

These are actions which fill my heart with hope. Although they are not enough to atone for our faults they have been completely ignored by those at the top of the Church, even though the simple faithful have long cried out for solemn acts such as these by their Shepherds. Our Lady of Fatima asked the Pope and all Bishops to consecrate Russia to Her Immaculate Heart, and announced wars and disasters until this came about. Her calls have gone unheard. The Hierarchy must now reform and obey the Mother of God! It is shameful and scandalous that no Bishop in Italy has joined in with this great initiative!

MJM: How do you judge the suspension of the Sacraments which we have seen in almost all the world?

This is a terrible suffering, perhaps even the worst the faithful have ever seen. It is unbelievable to think such a thing has been denied to the dying.

At this juncture, it seems most that the Hierarchy, with very few exceptions, had no scruple in closing the churches and in preventing the participation of the faithful in the holy Sacrifice of the Mass. They have behaved like cold bureaucrats, like executors of the will of the Prince, and most of the faithful have taken their actions as a sign of their lack of Faith. Who can blame them?
I almost wonder – and it is a terrible thing to think – whether the closure of churches and the suspension of all Celebrations might not be another punishment by God, in addition to the pandemic. That they might know that by what things a man sinneth, by the same also he is tormented. (Wisdom 11, 17) Offended though He is by the slovenliness and lack of respect shown by his priests, outraged by the profanation of the Blessed Sacrament which occurs every day when they give Communion in the hand, and tired of silly songs or heretical homilies, He is still – from His place of silence within the Tabernacle – satisfied by the austere composed praise offered by the many Priests who are still saying the Mass of all time. The Mass which goes back to the time of the Apostles. And which has always been the beating heart of the Church down through the centuries. Let us remember this most solemn warning: God is not mocked.
Clearly I understand and share the basic worries about safety and protection which the authorities require for public health. However, just as they have the right to pass measures for things affecting our bodies, so the Church authorities have the right and the duty to worry about the health of our souls. They cannot deny the faithful the spiritual sustenance they receive from the Eucharist, not to mention the Sacrament of Confession, Mass, and Viaticum.
When so many shops and restaurants were still open, the various Bishops’ Conferences had already suspended all sacred functions, even when the civil authorities had not asked them to do so. This is further proof that the Hierarchy is in a dreadful state and shows that Bishops are all too willing to sacrifice the well-being of souls to pacify the power of the state or the dictatorship of ideas.

MJM: Your Excellency mentioned restaurants. What do you say about the meals for the poor which were offered in the last few months in places of worship?

For Catholics, helping those in need is an act of charity. It reminds us that God is love. We have to love God above all things with our whole hearts, and love our neighbor for love of Him. Thus, in accordance with the beatitudes, we can see Our Lord in the poor, in the sick, in prisoners, and in orphans. From the very start, the Church has always been a luminous example in this field. Even the pagans admired us for it. History shows us the many impressive works of aid which have been started thanks to the generosity of the faithful, even in times of great hostility by states. Rulers have often taken over these works under orders from freemasons, who clearly despised the great works of so many good Catholics. Caring for the poor and those on the edges of society is not something that started with [Pope Francis] or with various woke associations.
We must realize that when the new regime helps the poor, it does so with absolutely no reference whatever to the supernatural. All we are seeing is works of corporal mercy, whereas works of spiritual mercy have been utterly wiped out. Nor is this all: the current Papacy has completely eliminated any form of apostolate, and says the Church must not perform any missionary activity, which it calls proselytism. We can only provide food, hospitality, and health care, but nobody provides food, hospitality, or care for the souls of those who so desperately need it. The modern Church has been turned into a sort of NGO. True Charity is nothing to do with its masonic imitation, however much they try to hide it with an extremely vague sense of spirituality: it is the exact opposite, because the various bodies we see at work today deny that there is only one true Church, whose message of salvation must be preached to those outside it. This is not all: the Church has drifted so far after the Council in questions of religious freedom and ecumenism that many charitable bodies now confirm the people entrusted to their care in their paganism or atheism. they even offer them places of worship where they can go and pray. We have even seen terrible examples of Masses where, at the explicit request of the Celebrant, instead of the Holy Gospel a reading is taken from the Koran or, as happened more recently, idolatry has been practiced in Catholic churches.
I think the decision to turn churches into refectories or dormitories for the needy is proof of this basic hypocrisy which, as we have seen with ecumenism, takes an apparently good thing (such as feeding the hungry or sheltering the homeless) – and exploits it to help the grand masonic plan for one world religion with no dogmas, no ceremonies, no God. Using churches as hostels, in the presence of smug Prelates who drop by to serve pizzas or pork chops with an apron over their ecclesiastical dress means profaning them. Especially when those smiling to the photographers absolutely never open the doors of their own mansions to those they want to take advantage of for political purposes. Let me go back to what I was saying and repeat that all this sacrilege is the underlying cause of the current pandemic.
All too often they use the poverty and homelessness of these poor people so they can appear on the front pages of the newspapers. This we saw only too often with the landings of all those immigrants. The only purpose was to set up a new industry for reception, behind which are hidden not only mean economic interests but also their complicity with those who seek to destroy a Christian Europe starting with Italy.

MJM: In other cases, such as the city of Cerveteri near Rome, the forces of law and order stopped a Priest who was saying Mass. How have the Church authorities reacted to this sort of thing?

Cerveteri may simply have been an excess of zeal by two local policemen, especially if they have to work under all the extra stress that has arisen since to coronavirus outbreak. It must also be clear, though, especially in a country like Italy which signed a Concordat with the Church in 1929, that the ecclesiastical authorities have sole rights over places of worship. The Holy See and the local Ordinary really ought to have protested over such a violation of the Lateran Treaty, which was confirmed again in 1984 and which is still in force. Yet again, the authority of Bishops, given directly to them by God, melts away like snow and shows how cowardly they all are. This might lead to even worse abuses in the future if it is not corrected now. Let me take this opportunity to ask for a forthright condemnation of this unacceptable meddling by government forces in affairs which are the direct responsibility of the Church Authorities.

MJM: Pope Francis invited all Christians, Catholics and non-Catholics, to come together on 25 March to ask God to put an end to this pandemic, and let it be understood that members of other religions could pray too.

The religious relativism which was brought in with Vatican II led many people to believe that the Catholic Faith was no longer the only means to salvation, or that the Blessed Trinity was the Only True God. In his Abu Dhabi declaration, Pope Francis said that God wants all religions. Not only is this a blatant heresy, it is also a very serious apostasy and a terrible blasphemy. Saying that God wants to be worshipped as something other than how He revealed Himself means that the Incarnation, Passion, Death and Resurrection of our Savior are completely meaningless. It means that the reason for founding the Church, the reason for which millions of holy Martyrs gave their lives, for which the Sacraments were instituted, along with the Priesthood and the Papacy itself, are all meaningless.
Unfortunately, just when we should be making atonement for our offences against the divine Majesty of God, here is someone who asks us to pray to Him along with those who deny the divine Maternity of His Mother, on Her Feast day. Would this not be the best way to put an end to the current pestilence?

MJM: It is also true that the Apostolic Penitentiary has granted special Indulgences to those struck by this terrible affliction and for those who assist them materially and spiritually.

Firstly let me stress that Indulgences can never take the place of the Sacraments. We must firmly resist the villainous decisions taken by several Shepherds, who have forbidden the Priests from hearing Confessions or baptizing children. These measures – along with the ban on public Masses and the suspension of Holy Communion – go against the law of God, and are proof that behind it all is Satan. Only the Evil Serpent can explain these measures which will bring about the spiritual loss of so many souls. It would be like ordering doctors not to treat patients in danger of death.
The example of the Bishops in Poland should be followed by the universal Church: they ordered more Masses to be said so that more faithful could go safely to hear Mass. This would happen if the Hierarchy actually cared about the eternal salvation of Catholics. Do not forget that in Poland, the effects of the pandemic are much lower than in other countries.
The Church’s teaching on Indulgences has not been swept away by the revolutionaries, and this is a good thing. However, whereas the Bishop of Rome has the power to draw upon the infinite riches of Grace, it is also true that Indulgences cannot be trivialized or considered as some sort of end-of-season sales bonus. The faithful felt the same things towards the end of the Jubilee of Mercy, when a Plenary indulgence was granted under such strange conditions that those earning the Indulgence hardly realized what was happening.
There is also a problem with the Sacrament of Penance and Eucharistic Communion which are necessary for an indulgence to take effect, which the Apostolic Penitentiary has postponed until some unspecified “as soon as possible.”

MJM: Does Your Excellency feel that the general dispensations for General Absolution instead of absolving individuals may apply in the current epidemic?

An imminent danger of death justifies certain solutions which the Church, in Her zeal for the eternal salvation of souls, has always generously allowed. Such is the case with General Absolution for soldiers about to go into battle, or for people on board a sinking ship. If an emergency affecting an intensive care ward does mean that a Priest can only enter under extremely strict conditions, and he cannot hear the individual confessions of the dying, I think such a solution may be the best.

However, if a precedent is set whereby General Absolution is extended to all cases, even when penitents are not in danger of immediate death, we must be extremely careful to ensure that what the Church allows in extreme cases does not become the norm.
Let me remind people that watching Mass on the internet or on television does not absolve the precept of going to Sunday Mass. It can be a good way to sanctify the Lord’s Day when it is absolutely impossible to go to church; but we must always remember that living the Sacraments cannot be replaced by virtualizing the Sacraments. At a more banal level, we cannot feed our bodies by looking at a photograph of a loaf of bread.

MJM: What message would Your Excellency like to give those in charge of defending and guiding Christ’s flock?

The Pope, the Hierarchy, and all Bishops, Priests and Religious must immediately and absolutely convert. This is something the laity are calling for, as they suffer because they have no firm and faithful guides. We cannot allow the flock which Our Divine Lord has entrusted to our care be scattered by faithless mercenaries. We must convert and go completely over to being on God’s side. We cannot reach any compromises whatsoever with the world.

Bishops must recover an awareness of their own Apostolic Authority, which is personal, which cannot be delegated to intermediate subjects such as Episcopal Conferences or Synods, which have distorted the exercise of the apostolic ministry, causing serious damage to the divine constitution of the Church.
The time has come to put an end to synodal paths. To an absurd sense of inferiority and flattering when dealing with the world. To that hypocritical use of the word dialoguing instead of fearlessly preaching the Gospel. We must stop teaching false doctrines and stop being afraid of preaching about purity and holiness. And stop being silent in front of the arrogance of evil. Stop covering up terrible scandals. Stop lying, tricking, and taking revenge.

Catholic life must be a battle right to the end, not a happy-go-lucky walk towards the abyss. All of us, having received Holy Orders. will be asked by Our Lord to give account of the souls we have saved, and those we have lost by not reprimanding and rescuing them. Let us go back to the One true Faith. To living a life of holiness. To the only Cult pleasing to God.
Conversion and repentance, as Our Blessed Lady, Mother of the Church, asks of us. Let us all ask Her, Tabernacle of the Most High, to give Priests and Bishops the heroic impetus they need to save the Church and to bring about the victory of Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart.
+ Carol Maria Viganò
First Sunday of Passiontide 2020 – Source – The Remnant Website

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Comments (75)

  • Michaela

    That is a fantastic interview. Archbishop Vigano is a modern day hero. He is saying what needs to be said. It’s just perfect that he reminded us that God punished the human race first off, following the disobedience of Adam and Eve, the world being disordered after being created perfectly and the need for Baptism as a result of their sin. The idea of God as a loving father punishing his children because he loves them, not because he wants to make them suffer, is something we don’t hear these days.

    He is also spot on about the need for the hierarchy to reform. That’s long overdue.

    March 31, 2020 at 11:56 am
    • Lily


      I agree totally – what a fantastic interview, he is spot on about everything!

      I selected this comment to highlight because we did discuss the closing of churches on other threads, but he makes me think again about it all:-

      “At this juncture, it seems most that the Hierarchy, with very few exceptions, had no scruple in closing the churches and in preventing the participation of the faithful in the holy Sacrifice of the Mass. They have behaved like cold bureaucrats, like executors of the will of the Prince, and most of the faithful have taken their actions as a sign of their lack of Faith. Who can blame them?
      I almost wonder – and it is a terrible thing to think – whether the closure of churches and the suspension of all Celebrations might not be another punishment by God, in addition to the pandemic. That they might know that by what things a man sinneth, by the same also he is tormented. (Wisdom 11, 17) ”

      I’d love to know what others think about the above statement.

      March 31, 2020 at 12:15 pm
      • Josephine


        What I think about that statement is that it is absolutely correct – “cold bureaucrats” is it, absolutely.

        The only thing I’m not very clear about (probably my own fault, not seeing the wood for the trees, LOL!) is that (a) blaming the hierarchy for closing the churches etc and then (b) saying it might be another punishment by God, in addition to the pandemic.

        I would think it would have to be either (a) or (b) – can it be both? I’m probably missing something obvious, LOL!

        March 31, 2020 at 1:04 pm
      • RCAVictor


        The hierarchy – cold bureaucrats or otherwise – is certainly responsible for closing the churches, but God usually acts through human agents, including corrupt ones. I would have to agree that this Interdict is another Divine punishment.

        And while the hierarchy’s actions certainly betray the profanation and even the disappearance of their faith, the current situation, as far as I can tell, also prevents further profanation of the liturgy (Novus Ordo) and the sacrileges committed therein against the Blessed Sacrament. A liturgy which, paradoxically, is profane in itself, but which was set up to invite further and continuous profanation.

        We can hope that the hierarchy will learn something from this chastisement and turn back to God, but so far that doesn’t seem to be the case. When this so-called pandemic is over, I’m afraid the sewer will still be full of rats doing their thing with impunity.

        March 31, 2020 at 4:45 pm
      • editor

        RCA Victor,

        Thank you for that insightful comment. As you say, God acts through human agents, including corrupt humans.

        I would simply add that we may link Josephine’s (a) and (b) by understanding that it is the same spiritual blindness which prevents the hierarchy and majority of the clergy from comprehending the nature of the apostasy within the Church – it is that same spiritual blindness which prevents them from recognising the fact of God’s disciplining interventions in our world, including the current pandemic.

        That they see this health situation purely in terms of the NHS and lockdown speaks volumes about their utter blindness to the things of God. Their silence reveals an astonishing failure to join up the dots, to link the break from Catholic Tradition dating from just over 50 years ago, to the present time when there’s scarcely a Catholic left in Scotland. Plenty of Catholics in name only, who support abortion, “gay rights”, “transgender right” and the rest, without a priest in sight to correct them. A damning indictment on their “shepherding” in recent times – let’s hope the “damning” does not turn out to be literal…

        March 31, 2020 at 8:39 pm
      • RCAVictor


        Yes, sin creates blindness and opens the door to many other sins.

        One thing that impressed me about God’s use of corrupt agents was an anecdote I just found in St. Francis de Sales’ Sermons for Lent, the sermon for Passion Sunday, about St. Ephrem.

        It seems that on his way to Edessa, St. Ephrem fell to his knees and prayed for the grace to meet someone in the city who would serve as his director and lead him to God’s will.

        The first person he encountered, once in the city, was…a prostitute!…who, after an apparently scornful exchange of looks, reminded him that since man was created from the dust of the earth, he should keep his eyes continually downcast to the place of his physical origin.

        The Saint at first treated this woman with disdain, but after her words, gratefully accepted her wisdom and valued her teaching. St. Francis de Sales concludes with this:

        “From that moment on, he so valued that lesson that not only did he always keep his bodily eyes lowered to the ground, but even more so his spiritual and interior eyes, which he kept riveted on his nothingness, his vileness and his abjection.”

        March 31, 2020 at 10:39 pm
      • Nicky


        I think the hierarchy has become so worldly that they automatically go along with everything secular governments say and do. They don’t even make pronouncements about abortion any more, taking their lead from Pope Francis who told us not to “obsess” about it. If he really believed the unborn baby was a human person, he would definitely obsess about it.

        So, I agree with the Archbishop – they have behaved like “cold bureaucrats” and I don’t see that changing any time soon.

        March 31, 2020 at 2:15 pm
      • editor


        A very good point – “they don’t even make pronouncements about abortion any more” – whereas that was one area of morality where the likes of Cardinal Winning would speak out fairly regularly, and earned him the (false) label of “Vatican hardliner”.

        And the same “spokesman” who would solemnly defend him (and his successor) in the press on the “life” issues, was among the first to go into print to defend Pope Francis’s exhortation “not to obsess” over abortion.

        A man who, without a shred of doubt, speaks with forked tongue…

        March 31, 2020 at 8:44 pm
      • editor


        I couldn’t disagree with anything the archbishop has said.

        I just remember that we were doing our best to make sense of it all, when the news first broke about the closure of diocesan churches – certainly prematurely, as the archbishop says. That was inexcusable.

        Then, however, the SSPX followed suit. As simple laypeople (speaking for myself!) we had no choice but to accept the decision to close the churches, given the fear of high rates of infection, susceptible people etc. And, in my considered opinion, there can be no doubt that the SSPX priests did not make the decision either lightly or willingly – as, sadly, appears to be the case in the Church at large.

        Hopefully, though, should this situation continue for an undue length of time, the SSPX will introduce a system whereby we can all get back to the Sacraments, albeit if there has to be some form of staged attendance. Me attending one week, and everybody else the next week.

        Something like that! 😀

        March 31, 2020 at 8:21 pm
      • Margo McGlashan

        I seem to recall reading somewhere (I cannot recall where?) that SSPX chapels would initially remain open. The justification being that to believe the faithful could catch Coronavirus at Mass through receiving the Eucharist is to lack faith and succumb to Satan as Archbishop Vigano states.

        Do you think that if the Churches were open at the moment while the virus continues to spread, then we would be protected and safe to go to Mass (As Archbishop Vigano also seems to suggest here?)

        I am unsure how you can be sure that some priests happily closed their Churches while other were reluctant to do so. How can you possibly know this? Certainly, I have seen no protests about the closures from any SSPX priest or bishops but plenty from Burke, Scheinder, Vigano etc…

        April 1, 2020 at 4:46 pm
      • editor


        I do recall that the SSPX churches were originally to be continuing with Mass etc. although I have no recollection of anyone saying that thus, through Faith, nobody would get the virus.

        It is certainly true, though, that there are plenty of examples to show that God does spare His people in times of such disaster and distress, when they display their Faith in His power, whether to control disease or the elements. I remember marvelling at some examples of miracles which arose at the time of the Tsunami in (?) 2006. Some were so outstanding that they made the BBC news. Say no more.

        As for how can we be sure that some priests “happily” closed their churches. Not sure I used that word but it is certainly noteworthy that they were closing them before any instruction came from Government about social distancing – certainly well before “lockdown”.

        It seems to me, as an amateur theologian, that it is precisely at times of huge stress and danger, that a Catholic, especially priests and bishops and definitely popes, would see the advantage of demonstrating to God that we fully believe, love and trust Him to keep us safe at this particularly difficult and dangerous time.

        Indeed, Our Lord revealed to Saint Gertrude that the one thing He cannot resist, when He witnesses it in a soul, is confidence in Him.

        I’ll try to find the exact quote online later, but, for now, I think you’ll get my drift.

        PS I fully agree about the failure to protest; the SSPX should be leading, by argument and practical example, the case for providing the Sacraments, in compliance as far as possible, with any genuine scientific and medical concerns. As I’ve said before, they could organise the church in Glasgow so that I could attend Mass one Sunday, and the rest of them could attend the following week (last sentence not great theology but not bad kidology, as I hope you agree 😀 )

        April 1, 2020 at 5:08 pm
      • Michaela


        That’s all well and good but, frankly, I doubt that all of your fellow-SSPX parishioners will agree! I say that because so few of them have come onto this thread, or should I say the “usual suspects” have not come onto this thread. I think the laity are terrified of getting the virus, and some will be glad to have a bit of a break from having to get into Mass.Human nature doesn’t stop at the threshold of modernist parishes, LOL!

        April 1, 2020 at 5:15 pm
      • Petrus


        I have to express my disbelief at your lack of charity! What a shocking statement that some Traditional Catholics will be glad not to have to go to Mass!

        April 1, 2020 at 6:40 pm
      • Michaela


        I don’t believe I wrote anything uncharitable – I merely made the observation that some Catholics, including so-called traditional Catholics, may not be complaining because they are either afraid of getting the virus or maybe glad not to have to make the effort to go to Mass, that’s just human nature. It’s not shocking unless you think there are some Catholics exempt from fallen human nature! I’m not exempt, don’t know about you!

        April 1, 2020 at 7:20 pm
      • Petrus

        Nice try, Michaela.

        By all means, apply that to yourself, but it is uncharitable to suggest it of others.

        April 1, 2020 at 10:11 pm
      • Petrus


        I think you are right. You didn’t state that priests happily closed their churches.

        Your comment about people being spared when they have confidence in God brought to my mind the priests who survivors the atomic bombings because they were living the message of Fatima!

        April 1, 2020 at 6:41 pm
      • Margo McGlashan

        But Petrus,
        Surely you would not go to Mass if St Andrew’s was open tomorrow, during the middle of this crisis?

        Do you honestly believe that we would be spared the virus because we are receiving the Eucharist?

        I do not think it is the will of God that we put ourselves and others at risk.

        However, if the suspending of the Eucharist is the Devil’s work (as Archbishop Vigano states) then we must ask, why aren’t the SSPX and the faithful defying the Government or meeting in secret.
        Especially if there is not health risk

        April 1, 2020 at 8:45 pm
      • editor


        Either you are being mischevious or you really don’t have a handle on very basic theology.

        Which is it?

        I’ll check in tomorrow to find out… And if I can help you, I will.

        April 1, 2020 at 10:49 pm
      • editor


        Athanasius has had a good stab at answering your questions – see below – but if there’s still something which you don’t understand, say the word and moi will try to bridge that gap (although not with Cadbury’s snack, this being Lent, an’ all… 😀 )

        April 2, 2020 at 12:12 pm
      • Athanasius


        Speaking for myself, I would happily go to Mass tomorrow if chapels were open because it is completely at odds with Catholic Tradition and history for chapels to close during a time of pandemic.

        I know we are living through probably the worst epoch in human history when it comes to faith and trust in God, so naturally a lot of people are inclined more to the health of the body than the health of the soul. This is the point Archbishop Vigano is trying to make. The grace of God is much more powerful than anything the medical profession has to offer right now.

        The SSPX has been forced by law to close its chapels, unlike the Pope and the various national Bishops’ Conferences, Poland excepted, who showed their lack of faith by halting the Mass and suppressing the administration of the Sacraments before any government order was issued.

        When we reflect that Church has kept her chapels open through far more deadly plagues and viruses than this Covid pandemic, which has been doing the rounds now for nearly 5 months and has a 95% recovery rate, we see just how faithless our Church hierarchy has become.

        Prudent steps were all that were required, i.e., dispense the obligation for the elderly and those with underlying health conditions, ban Communion in the hand, since the hands are one of the primary means of transmitting the virus, stop extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion, who are unnecessary anyway, as well as illicit, etc. Proper practical means, that’s all that was required, not mass hysteria (no pun intended). Faithless lot!

        April 2, 2020 at 1:20 am
      • Margo McGlashan

        For communion on the tongue, the priests cannot possibly be two metres apart from the laity

        Coronavirus would be transmitted while the priest is speaking or when the lay person is opening their mouth. The disease is spread by droplets but also through the air.

        The idea that communion in the mouth is safe compared to communion in the hand does not make much sense.

        I am also shocked by the number of times the word ‘coward’ has been mentioned in reference to priests on this thread in numerous places.

        Again, I must ask – What acts of bravery have traditionalist clergy undertaken so far compared to modernist priests?

        The Pope has told priests to have the courage to go out and minister to the sick.

        In Italy at least 60 priests have died so far, probably far more. One, Fr Giuseppe Beradelli caught Covid19 while ministering to the sick in hospital, he then died after he gave up his ventilator to a younger victim.

        April 2, 2020 at 12:59 pm
      • editor


        “I am also shocked by the number of times the word ‘coward’ has been mentioned in reference to priests on this thread in numerous places.”

        Falsehood. I cannot accuse you of deliberately lying, of course, but that is an outright and very blatant falsehood. How do I know?

        Well… because I have just wasted precious time reading through this thread – every single comment – and in not even ONE place is the word “coward” used. Archbishop Vigano describes the hierarchy as “cold bureaucrats” and says that he understands why the faithful think the actions of the episcopate are a sign of “a lack of faith”, and some of our bloggers quote that – but nobody has used the word “coward”.

        So, like a judge in just about any court case in the world, who dismisses a witness’s evidence when that witness is caught out giving false testimony, I am not going to waste any more time responding to your questions, all of which assume the “facts” given by the “medics” – even when those “facts” contradict previous “facts” or are admittedly questionable – such as the “experts believe” that the virus may be airborne. We were explicitly told at the very beginning of this mad panic that the virus was NOT airborne.

        Now, feel free to criticise and challenge us all you like, but do not waste our time by making up false claims.

        Next time you accuse anyone of saying anything which YOU think is objectionable, take the time and trouble to quote it verbatim, giving the name of the topic thread, at least, if not the date and time of the “offensive” comment, and the blogger username(s). Do NOT make false blanket accusations.

        Please and thank you.

        April 2, 2020 at 2:26 pm
      • Athanasius


        Communion on the tongue remains the Church’s official practice. Communion in the hand was illicitly introduced in Belgium back the early 70s by Cardinal Suenens and quickly spread by other revolutionary prelates without Papal permission. Pope Paul VI forbid the practice in general but allowed for an Indult in places where the abuse had already established itself. Pretty soon every prelate in the world was applying for the Indult and then making out that the abuse was the new Church practice. It remains an Indult and it remains the most Protestant and irreverent practice introduce since Vatican II, a practice previously condemned by the Church due to the sacrilege it encourages and the sacredness of every tinyest particle that falls from the hands to the floor to be trodden underfoot, each one the body, blood, soul and divinity of Our Lord.

        As I said before, faithless lot!

        April 2, 2020 at 4:54 pm
      • Prognosticum

        Those who say that the celebration of Holy Mass somehow qualifies as a coronavirus free zone are not only, to put it mildly, temerarious, but they also have a faulty understanding of the working of nature and grace.

        Appeals are often made to how Catholics of the past addressed the various pestilences of their times. But that did not have the biochemical knowledge which, by God’s grace, has been given to us.

        And before I am shot down in flames, what about the what happened to the Jesuit church in the centre of Zagreb during the recent earthquake. I am informed by a friend there that had it not been for the restrictions put in place due to the COVID-19 emergency, dozens of people would probably have been killed because the earthquake struck about five minutes before Holy Mass was usually celebrated.

        April 3, 2020 at 9:29 am
      • Michaela


        I can’t see where anybody has said that Mass would qualify as a coronavirus free zone. From my reading of the comments there has been a suggestion that perhaps an arrangement could be put in place where attendance could be spread out – some attending, keeping the social distancing required on either alternate weeks or with more Masses provided.

        The example you gave about the Jesuit church and the earthquake – well, that could be interpreted in two ways! I don’t know what the restrictions were that you mention, but perhaps God wasn’t approving of them! That’s just a thought, don’t you shoot me down in flames, LOL!

        April 3, 2020 at 10:13 am
      • Athanasius


        Prudent measures are all that was required, bearing in mind that the elderly and those with underlying health conditions are most at risk. 95% of those affected come through this virus with mild to medium Flu sysmptoms, so we’re not talking the Black Death here!

        As I said in an earlier comment, the bishops could have simply dispensed “at risk” people from their obligation to attend Mass on Sundays and Holydays for the duration of this pandemic. They could also have put on extra Masses and made rotas to reduce congregation numbers at any given Mass. In addtion, they could have forbidden Communion in the hand and instructed priests to carefully place the Blessed Sacrament on the tongue without touching, and banned the unhealthy Protestant practice of drinking from the chalice. There are so many things they could have done to make things as safe as possible from a bodily health point of view.

        NOTHING is as important in this life as the health of the soul, so to take away the nourishment for the soul on such flimsy grounds, like pagans desperate to preserve the only life they really believe in, this earthly life, is a scandal of huge proportions.

        I lived through the Asian Flu pandemic of 1970, a real killer virus that took out 1 million people and so I know that this Coronavirus is not in the same league. Bio science was well advanced even back then but the chapels didn’t close because there was still a strong enough faith in the hierarchy to put the soul first and give the faithful what is most essential for them in times of concern and anxiety, the grace of God and the comfort of the Sacraments!

        The Church was always wise and always fully aware of the dangers posed to people by plagues and pandemics, she understood first that people cannot hide from a contageous virus, it’s already out there and widespread. Besides that, she re-doubled her Masses and devotions while calling on the people to do penance that God might eradicate the pestilence that this world constantly provokes by its sins. Tragically, there is no such faith left in our hierarchy today, no spirit of the martyrs. Some priests have shown more faith during this pandemic than the Pope and the bishops, who lock the chapels and hide away. They are truly faithless shepherds who have now shown to their flocks just how faithless they really are, men of this world.

        As for the earthquake incident you reference, it’s surely a blessing for the people of Zagreb that the Jesuit chapel was closed at the time due to Coronavirus. However, you cannot hold that single blessing up against the iniquity (I use the word deliberately!) of stopping the Mass universally, Satan’s plan from the beginning, and argue that we should be glad. No, the chapel closures and the behaviour of our Catholic hierarchy during this politically-motivated mass hysteria over Coronavirus is a scandal that will go down in history as probably the most ignominious dereliction of duty since the Apostles fled from Our Lord in the Garden of Gethsemene, and conspicuously during Lent and approaching Holy Week. Faithless lot, as I said before!

        April 3, 2020 at 1:21 pm
    • editor


      I agree – it is a truly fantastic interview with a very brave archbishop.

      March 31, 2020 at 8:15 pm
      • Faith of Our Fathers

        That is one of the most Damned Statements but True from you Ed that I have ever read concerning the Freemasons that now run our Church but not Our Faith – A Truly Fantastic Interview With A Very Brave Archbishop –
        Who would have thought not so many years ago that a Catholic Archbishop would be considered Brave for speaking the truth about the Catholic Faith and who also because he speaks Truth has to be in hiding.
        A true sign of the times . Also and you probably read it that some Mealy Mouthed Guy who calls himself a Catholic Bishop in the States has actually said that the Sacrement of Extreme Unction will not be administered to the Dying by his so called Priests. But that the Priest will put the Holy Oils on cotton wool give it to a nurse and the nurse will put it on the dying person. God Help Us. Sure during WW 1 the Priests were in the trenches with the Soldiers and in WW2 they went with them when they stormed the Normandy Beaches. But this too shall pass and we will not FORGET the mealy mouthed Whited Sepulchres who turned and ran for the Hills. God Bless All and Stay Safe . On a more positive note I also read on LSN that the Sodomites will be going full steam ahead with their Brighton Horrible Pride Thing . Of course the present Draconian Laws of staying 6ft apart which would almost certainly be Safe Sex doesn’t seem to apply to the LGBTQ2WXYZ mob .

        April 1, 2020 at 2:43 pm
      • Lionel

        You are totally right, Editor, “c’est magistral et limpide!”

        April 2, 2020 at 11:34 pm
  • Josephine

    Archbishop Vigano is definitely a modern Church hero. He is speaking out like a true shepherd while the rest are cowards, keeping a low profile, anxious to do what they are told by their governments. It’s really incredible to live through this.

    March 31, 2020 at 1:01 pm
    • editor


      “Incredible” is the word. “Really incredible” is are the two words 😀

      March 31, 2020 at 8:45 pm
  • Michaela

    I keep going over bits of that interview and it is really prophetic. No wonder he is so hated in the Vatican that he had to go into hiding, for fear of his life. A truly shocking state of affairs.

    March 31, 2020 at 2:03 pm
    • editor


      I assume the archbishop has come out of hiding? Do you – does anybody – know?

      Obviously, the interview could have been conducted by email.

      Michael Matt often does video interviews, though, so I’m wondering if the archbishop is still forced to keep his location secret. Utterly shocking, if so.

      March 31, 2020 at 8:47 pm
      • RCAVictor


        He participated in a public protest in Munich recently, I think, a protest in which Michael Matt, Dr. Mattei, John-Henry Westen and others also participated (they give themselves a Latin name, but I can’t think of it), but I don’t know if he emerged only for that and then resumed his hidden life.

        They were protesting the German episcopate’s “synodal path.” (aka the path to hell)

        Ah, here’s a description of it:

        March 31, 2020 at 10:45 pm
  • Nicky

    The section that made a big impact on me in the Archbishop’s interview was the section on using churches for providing food and shelter. “All we are seeing is a corporal work of mercy” – exactly. This is not the same as seeing Christ in the hungry etc. It’s purely for political show and shockingly, as the Archbishop points out, sometimes to get their photos into the newspapers.

    I’ve been disillusioned with this pope from the start and it’s still going downhill.

    March 31, 2020 at 2:18 pm
    • editor


      Yes, that part of the interview made a big impact on me as well, moi… The archbishop has highlighted, well, the sorry truth that the modernists in the Church have reduced the Church to being no more than a kind of religious social work department – the “religious” part being represented by little more than the use of the word “Catholic” in the title of various organisations – CAFOD/Catholic Aid For Overseas Development and SCIAF/Scottish Catholic International Aid Fund.

      And there endeth all claims to Catholicity.

      March 31, 2020 at 8:51 pm
      • Prognosticum

        On this point I agree with you wholeheartedly. The prosecution of charity by the Church without any reference to the supernatural destiny of mankind makes no sense. Added to that, the Church will always have less material resources available to her than the state which taxes its citizens at will.

        April 3, 2020 at 9:56 am
  • Laura

    What a blessing Archbishop Vigano is! He has called for the consecration of Russia in that interview! He said –

    “Our Lady of Fatima asked the Pope and all Bishops to consecrate Russia to Her Immaculate Heart, and announced wars and disasters until this came about. Her calls have gone unheard. The Hierarchy must now reform and obey the Mother of God!”

    If that had been the only thing he said in that interview, it would still be a fabulous interview!

    March 31, 2020 at 2:52 pm
    • editor


      I noticed that as well – one of the high points of the interview. Wonderful.

      I wonder how many bishops and priests in the diocesan churches will read that interview? Only a soul with an entirely dead conscience could read it and not be affected.

      March 31, 2020 at 8:52 pm
      • Petrus


        Do you know if Archbishop Vigano says the Traditional Mass? I’ve never been aware of him commenting on it.

        April 1, 2020 at 6:43 pm
      • Michaela


        I know your comment is address to editor, so I hope it’s OK for me to poke my nose in because I am sure he does. This is what he said in the interview with Michael Matt, and I quote:

        “Offended though He is by the slovenliness and lack of respect shown by his priests, outraged by the profanation of the Blessed Sacrament which occurs every day when they give Communion in the hand, and tired of silly songs or heretical homilies, He is still – from His place of silence within the Tabernacle – satisfied by the austere composed praise offered by the many Priests who are still saying the Mass of all time. The Mass which goes back to the time of the Apostles. And which has always been the beating heart of the Church down through the centuries. Let us remember this most solemn warning: God is not mocked.”

        I can’t see him saying that if he is still celebrating the novus ordo.

        April 1, 2020 at 7:24 pm
      • Petrus

        You would hope not!

        April 1, 2020 at 10:12 pm
      • editor

        You are right Michaela – the Archbishop is highly unlikely to be saying the new Mass – and since he’s having to keep a low profile, he’s not exactly likely to be seen in the vicinity of the pontifical High Mass now is he? However, were he, by any chance, NOT to be a devotee of the TLM, that would not change the fact that he has spoken the truth, every word, in the above interview. It’s not, in fact, attending ANY Mass which makes one a Catholic or not. Our Lord has very severe words for those of us who rely on the outward expression of religion only. Won’t save us, unfortunately. I say “unfortunately” because I am great at outward show. I could get a very high place in Heaven if it were down to (or up to!) outward show…

        In fact, there are two signs where I go to Mass…

        This one…

        And this one…

        😀 😀 😀

        April 1, 2020 at 11:03 pm
      • Petrus


        You wrote:

        “ It’s not, in fact, attending ANY Mass which makes one a Catholic or not.”

        Of course, this is true – to a certain extent. Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi tells us that the outward expression of religion does give an insight into the beliefs of someone.

        I’ve just googled “Archbishop Vigano Traditional Mass” and nothing came up. Indeed, the only photographs online are of him saying the New Mass, sometimes with Cardinal Wuerl and Mr McCarrick!

        Whilst I am impressed with Archbishop Vigano, I think he need to be a bit more cautious before we crown him a hero!

        April 1, 2020 at 11:41 pm
      • Lily


        I also tried a good while ago to find evidence that Archbishop Vigano says the old Mass but nothing came up.

        He was the papal nuncio to the USA until 2016, so it’s obvious that he must have been saying the new Mass. He’d never have been made a nuncio if he was thought of as a traditional priest.

        So my own view is that he is one of those bishops who has been observing what was going on and gradually come to see the results of the new Mass. I don’t think we can blame him for doing what so many of us did for a long time, going along with the new Mass. He should be given credit for speaking up for the old Mass now that he is free to do so, now that he has broken cover.

        I do agree that it makes a difference which Mass we attend – as you say “Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi” but I didn’t take it that editor was saying anything different, just that we’ll not be judged ONLY on which Mass we attend, but on how we behave in our lives. If she was saying that it doesn’t matter if we attend the novus ordo, well, I would have to disagree with her, after so many of us have turned away from it, at some cost regarding relationships with family and friends.

        April 2, 2020 at 9:39 am
      • Petrus


        I agree with every word, although I do think it’s pretty obvious that we won’t only be judged on the externals.

        April 2, 2020 at 11:13 am
      • Lily


        I think everyone would say that it’s “pretty obvious” but I think a lot of people don’t act as if they really believe that. There is a lot of judging on the externals IMHO. That’s one reason why there are people who like to keep in with the priest, giving the impression that they are special etc. It’s childish and silly, but I’ve known people like that. I think though that the priest doesn’t think they’re special at all, LOL!

        April 2, 2020 at 11:48 am
      • editor


        Your observation made me think of this joke…–i-am-special-funny-ha-ha.jpg

        😀 😀 😀 😀

        April 2, 2020 at 12:17 pm
      • catholicconvert1


        I think perhaps the reason you saw Archbishop Vigano celebrating Mass with Fr McCarrick and Cardinal Wuerl is because he was nuncio to the USA. Would that not obligate him to say Mass with senior members of the US hierarchy?

        April 4, 2020 at 8:57 pm
      • Prognosticum


        I must say that this quotation is what struck me most in the whole interview. Archbishop Viganò has always had a reputation for being clever and of a conservative bent, but one did not rise to the upper echelons of the Vatican diplomatic service under John Paul II by celebrating publicly the Old Mass, which would have been seen as a repudiation not only of Vatican II, but also of Paul VI (a veritable icon for Italian ecclesiastics of Viganò’s generation), although there are rare examples of Vatican diplomats who have or who do celebrate it. I am actually informed, I think reliably, that for many years Archbishop Viganò celebrated the Novus Ordo daily in St. Peter’s Basilica.

        What has probably happened is that the Archbishop has undergone a conversion in this respect, which is not unheard of. Don’t forget that he was ordained in 1968, so his vocation, his priestly formation, and the first years of his priesthood would all have been strongly permeated by the ethos of the Old Mass. He probably looks back to the Church of his youth through the ruins, liturgical and otherwise, of today’s Catholicism and wonders what in God’s name happened and how so much damage could have been done under the guise of reform.

        Not only will God not be mocked, but he does not offer discounts. It is His way or the highway!

        The Church is staring a crossroads in the face and, after Francis, she will have to decide which road it is going to be: more liberal Catholicism, doomed to the same bitter end as its Protestant counterpart, or a return to Tradition and the beginning of a long process of restoration of the liturgy to its rightful splendour.

        When Cardinal Ratzinger and Pope Benedict used to say that the crisis in the Church is essentially a crisis of the liturgy, I was often at pains to know what he really meant. Now I think I do, but I find it difficult to articulate fully. What cannot be stressed enough is that the liturgy stands at the very heart not only of what the Church does, but what she is. If it is not conducive to God’s glory it is failing to fulfil the function assigned by God to it.

        April 3, 2020 at 10:26 am
      • Michaela


        That’s all really interesting indeed. I agree that Archbishop Vigano has probably undergone a conversion to the Traditional Mass – perhaps because the only people really supporting him when he went public with his criticisms at the time of the Cardinal McCarrick scandal (now Mr McCarrick, very sadly) were people like the editor of the traditional Catholic paper, Michael Matt and other traditional Catholics. He’s probably been influenced by them as well as his own study.

        April 3, 2020 at 10:47 am
      • RCAVictor


        I agree that Abp. Vigano has undergone a conversion – triggered, perhaps, by the stench of corruption that he could no longer endure.

        This may indeed be a crisis of the liturgy, though I’ve also heard it said that it is a crisis of authority. I wonder whether both of those are secondary to a crisis of faith, precipitated by the worldly seductions of Satan and his servants who are embedded in the Church.

        “…you shall be as Gods…”

        April 5, 2020 at 1:34 am
  • RCAVictor

    There are two things about Archbishop Vigano which I find amazing and deeply comforting:

    1. Somewhere along the line he seems to have become a full-fledged traditionalist, including speaking the truth about Fatima and the failure to obey Our Lady’s requests. Was he always this way, and just kept it to himself until he could contain it no longer? Or has the reek of perfidious corruption changed him?

    2. He speaks with the voice of indomitable authority and faith – even more so, in my opinion, than Bishop Schneider and Cardinal Burke.

    May it please God to elevate this faithful shepherd to the Chair of Peter, when this scourge of a Papacy and the scourge of Vatican II has come to an end.

    March 31, 2020 at 4:32 pm
    • editor

      RCA Victor,

      The questions you have raised in your latest posts, are the very stuff of a separate interview. Let’s hope Michael Matt raises those questions/issues with him. We’d all dearly love to know the answers.

      As for your final paragraph – if only!

      March 31, 2020 at 8:55 pm
  • cbucket

    *** Breaking News : Lockdown is Over ***

    It has been announced on CNN, CBS, BBC and all major news outlets that the lock down is over !!

    scroll down


    April Fool.

    It’s fake news.

    April 1, 2020 at 10:03 am
    • editor


      I decided against posting an April Fool thread, given the failure of my last attempt some years ago.

      I posted a thread with a headline claiming that the Editor of Catholic Truth had been appointed to a Vatican Commission for Women… I thought it convincing. A classic case of wishful thinking with bells on…

      The very first person to post (whose name escapes me at the moment) said “April Fool” – he could see through it immediately, like you and I see through a glass window.

      Anyway, thank you for that passing moment of joy, reflective of the truth that “hope springs eternal” 😀

      April 1, 2020 at 11:04 am
  • Catherine

    A friend sent me the following article and link which I thought I would share with bloggers here:

    With the Churches closed (which is draconian and unnecessary to say the least), I’m more concerned about the following than about Corona itself:An important article on the current situation by a former UK Supreme Court Justice and BBC Reith Lecturer, Jonathan Sumption. It is only accessible to those with access to ‘The Times’, but Peter Hitchens of the MoS made the following excerpts available on his blog:

    ‘The drive behind the growing power of the state is not power-grabbing politicians, but popular demand. As the technical and administrative capacities of the state expand, so people demand more of it in their constant pursuit of security. The state must, if it can. Sometimes the state must, even if it cannot.’

    ‘Things are different today, but the difference is not wholly benign. Public pressure for action at whatever cost pushes the measures beyond what they can realistically expect to achieve. It may well push them beyond what is worth achieving if the price is the destruction of our personal liberty, livelihoods and sociability. There are dissenting voices, but not many and they are drowned out in a torrent of collective emotion and abuse.’

    ‘This is a profound change in our political culture.

    ‘The prime minister’s orders on Monday night are a remarkable example. The Coronavirus Bill had only just been introduced into parliament. It would, when passed, confer draconian powers on ministers to control the “gathering” of any two or more people anywhere and to restrict a person’s right to enter of leave any “premises”, including that person’s home or car … or tent. However, in his press conference Boris Johnson purported to place most citizens under virtual house arrest through the terms of a press conference and a statement on the government website said to have “immediate effect”. These pronouncements are no doubt valuable as “advice”, even “strong advice”. But under our constitution neither has the slightest legal effect without statutory authority.

    ‘At the time of writing (25/3/2020), it is unclear what power the prime minister thought that he was exercising. The relevant powers of the government are contained in the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 and the Civil Contingencies Act 2004. But it is doubtful whether either authorise the prime minister’s orders, which is presumably why the Coronavirus Bill has been introduced.

    ‘The ordinary rule is that a person may not be detained or deprived of his liberty without specific statutory authority. The 1984 act contains powers to restrict movement, but they are exercised by magistrates and apply only to particular people or groups who have been infected or whom they may have infected. The Civil Contingencies Act confers a temporary power of legislation on ministers that is exercised in a national emergency, but no specific power to detain people at home.

    ‘In the present national mood the prime minister’s orders will probably have strong public support and people will be inclined to comply whether they are binding or not. Yet we are entitled to wonder what kind of society we have become when an official can give orders and expect to be obeyed without any apparent legal basis, simply because it is necessary.

    ‘There are wider problems about this. Legislation couched in general language can be used for purposes far removed from the original intention. The terrorism legislation, for example, has been used for a variety of other more questionable purposes, ranging from blocking the deposits of insolvent banks in the interests of creditors to manhandling peaceful demonstrators on the streets of London.

    ‘Governments armed with vast powers are usually reluctant to part with them. The wartime defence regulations, which required the population to “place themselves, their services and their property at the disposal of His Majesty”, had to be renewed annually, but were not allowed to expire until 1964.

    ‘Other wartime powers were expressed to continue until the government declared the war to be over, which it never did. They continued to be used until the 1980s, when the Scott report exposed this unsatisfactory corner of governmental practice.

    ‘These are not just technicalities. There is a difference between law and official instructions. It is the difference between a democracy and a police state. Liberty and the rule of law are surely worth something even in the face of a pandemic.’

    April 1, 2020 at 12:12 pm
    • editor


      Thank you for that – the following has just appeared in my inbox and it looks like it confirms The Times commentary. I’ve not had time to read it but will do asap.

      April 1, 2020 at 1:05 pm
  • Fidelis


    Thank you for posting that – it contains some long overdue observations and statements. I’ve noticed this one, myself: “‘The drive behind the growing power of the state is not power-grabbing politicians, but popular demand.”

    I have seen this various times before. If the media, representing popular opinion, they claim, go on and on about something, then the politicians will bend and do what they want.

    I’ve just been watching the BBC news, where Scotland’s First Minister Nicolas Sturgeon was featured and breaking news is that the plan to suspend jury trials has been dropped. I noticed on the news from it was announced that jury trials would be dropped, that it was the only measure that came in for criticism, so, lo and behold, it’s gone. That is one example of popular demand winning, but there are many more. It’s an extremely dangerous trend.

    I also noticed that the only leader of any country to have his leadership questioned due to Coronavirus, is President Trump. The BBC report from America finished, as it usually does, by asking the question “how will this affect Trump’s election chances?” Well, the Scottish elections are only next year, so why not ask the same question about her?

    In Church matters, it is very good to read the interview with Archbishop Vigano, who is an exceptionally brave man. I think he hit every nail on the head – I only wish we had a few more “Viganos”.

    April 1, 2020 at 12:51 pm
  • Faith of Our Fathers

    Can I ask a General Question here . Lots ( to me at least) can be learned from reading a persons face . Just look at the Difference between the Face of Francis and the Face of Archbishop Vigano does anyone else think that one is the Face of Truth. And the Other is Well ???

    April 1, 2020 at 2:53 pm
    • editor


      With the face bequeathed to my less than glamorous self, I’m going to leave that question hanging in cyberspace 😀

      I came in to post the news – apparently published in the left wing Guardian newspaper – that Pope Francis is to celebrate Holy Week in the Ancient Latin rite, much to the chagrin of the “progressives”.

      I say “apparently” because I can’t find it. I was sent a photo of the Pope with the Guardian banner above, but search as I have done, for quite some time, on the Guardian website, I cannot find it. I checked the list of topics on their site, including clicking on “More” and religion is not even listed. Incredible. This being the “Bible” for non-believers, you know, the folks who talk incessantly about the “fact” that God doesn’t exist, it makes one wonder from whence they obtain their information 😀

      Anyway, I can’t even post the photo which was emailed to me, so if anyone else can find the actual article on the Guardian site, I’d be grateful to have it posted here. This is not off topic, by the way, since Archbishop Vigano is effectively calling for a restoration of the traditional Faith. This would be a good start!

      For if true, it’s nothing short of astonishing that Pope Francis looks set to celebrate the Holy Week services in the official language of the Church. WOW! Maybe he’s read the Archbishop Vigano interview- who knows 😀


      April 1, 2020 at 4:17 pm
    • Iain

      Yes agree, I too noticed this, there is indeed some kind of malevolent or sinister quality to Vigano ‘s appearance which contrasts sharply with the Holy Father’s more kindly disposition.

      What I do not understand is Vigano’s suggestion in one part of the interview that Coronavirus is a chastisement from God for the sins of abortion and homosexuality etc.

      But the later he also says that – “behind it all is Satan” Surely it cannot be both? Has Covi19 been sent from God or Satan?

      Vigano is certainly correct to say that the Churches should not have closed or withdrawn the sacraments and those which have chosen to do so lack faith and have surrendered and conformed to the desires of worldly secular powers.

      April 1, 2020 at 4:21 pm
      • editor


        Do you meant this “kindly disposition of the Holy Father”

        Or this “kindly disposition” right after he’d slapped the hand of a women in the crowd who was revering him?

        I’ll get to the rest of your theologically not-too-demanding remarks later 😀 So, hang on. Help is at hand…But just to be going on with, who is to blame for World Wars 1 and 11 – God or Satan? (here’s a clue: war is considered, by the best theological minds, as well as mine 😀 to be a punishment for sin…)

        April 1, 2020 at 4:30 pm
      • Petrus


        He’s anything but kindly. I’ve always thought he had quite a cunning stare.

        April 1, 2020 at 6:51 pm
      • RCAVictor


        I recall the assessment of a priest several years ago, who had met Pope Francis for the first time. He used that very same word: cunning.

        April 2, 2020 at 11:59 pm
      • Athanasius

        Despite their Modernism, I always thought that Popes Paul VI and JPII maintained a certain reverence in the countenance, something I have noted with all Popes except Francis. This present Pope has not the remotest look of reverence or holiness in his face. I’m not saying that’s conclusive of anything, just that I have observed this from day one of his Pontificate.

        April 2, 2020 at 1:33 am
      • catholicconvert1

        Yes, Athanasius, an older lady of my acquaintance was in Rome for the canonisation of the Forty Martyrs and Paul VI was being carried on the Sede Gestatoria and he was blessing the crowds. She said he was very graceful in his movements and his hands were almost transparent.

        I was thinking about the Pope earlier today, and about people comparing his actions to those of Stalin, for example in his treatment of the Franciscans of the Immaculate and others. I fail to see the comparison. Stalin was highly intelligent, clever and totally devoted to his cause. Whereas, Francis is neither too bright nor devoted to the church. I would compare Francis to Brezhnev or Chernenko and the mental and physical stagnation and sclerosis which they represented.

        April 5, 2020 at 4:06 pm
  • Liam Jenkinson

    One of my daughters points out that many civil servants such has her, doctors, nurses, teachers bin men etc are bravely fighting this war on the front line. In this context our clergy from the Pope down should be military chaplains in the full sense of the word instead of being led by Cardinal Nicholls into “safe” cowardly isolation deserting their flock in their hour of need. We are told to remember our war heroes by repeating “we will remember them”, however, during the time whilst this crisis persists and thereafter the phrase “we will remember them” will apply to the clergy from the Pope down in a way they don’t expect ie we will remember them for their culpable negligence and desertion in what is primarily a spiritual war concerning primarily the four sins crying to heaven for vengeance where they left the faithful without the mass and especially confession and the anointing for those who are seriously ill/dying may God forgive them. We are called hate the sin and love the sinner and to pray for our enemies and it’s quite clear who they are.

    Love and prayers

    April 2, 2020 at 8:33 am
    • Margo

      Please apologise

      Liam Jenkinson says:
      April 2, 2020 at 8:33 am
      Being led by Cardinal Nicholls into “safe” cowardly isolation

      Josephine says:
      March 31, 2020 at 1:01 pm
      Archbishop Vigano is definitely a modern Church hero. He is speaking out like a true shepherd while the rest are cowards

      April 2, 2020 at 2:46 pm
      • editor


        Yes, those two slipped through the net. So, yes, I am happy to apologise for my mistake. My enemies will recognise themselves by their delight at this admission. I’m not infallible after all 😀

        However, are you ready to apologise for your mistake? I remind you of your claim:

        “I am also shocked by the number of times the word ‘coward’ has been mentioned in reference to priests on this thread in numerous places.”

        You are shocked that the word “coward” was used twice, on this thread? Or by “the number of times” and “numerous places” did you intend to convey the impression that it was used a lot? Thus, I would suggest that an apology is in order from you, as well. Based on past experience of our accusers, however, I won’t be holding my breath.

        In any event, Liam is an occasional commentator here, a modern Catholic who attends the new Mass and defends to the death, the “reforms” of Vatican II, so if HE thinks Cardinal Nichols & Co are cowards, he presumably knows what he’s talking about. 😀

        April 2, 2020 at 4:51 pm
    • crofterlady

      Oh Liam, may God bless you. I agree. Our so called shepherds are false shepherds. They have abandoned us in our hour of need. Shame on them and may the Lord forgive them. They heed the voices of government more than the needs of their flock.

      April 6, 2020 at 11:25 pm
  • Liam Jenkinson

    If anyone has the integrity or the interest to check back you will understand that in a previous blog I stated ‘John Paul II got a lot of things right but some things wrong. The most notable things he got wrong were the Council and its aftermath and ecumenism. I quoted a writer who said with regard to the Council ‘the church is like an alcoholic who is in denial until he accepts that alcohol is the problem he cant move on’. The same applies to the church’s approach to the Council.

    Ed: well, I did check back and couldn’t find any comment from you criticising Vatican II, but I may have overlooked something. What I am reminded of, following my check, is your valiant pro-life work, and your notable work in exposing the way Catholic schools, with the support of local priests, were pushing the transgender ideology, allowing children to return to school posing in the opposite gender to that by which their classmates knew them in the previous term. I’ve published whole threads about your work in that area, both here on the blog and in the newsletter. I hold you in the highest regard because of that invaluable work. However, my memory about your attitude to Church matters (pro-life apart) is of a very modern Catholic, but not based on anything you’ve said on the blog about the Council – if you recall we had a number of telephone conversations and my memory (which may be flawed) is that you were very much on the defensive about all things “new”. Specifically the new Mass. But more on that shortly…

    I take exception to the term occasional commentator because it clearly implies that an occasional commentators views aren’t worth listening to and that a modern catholic as you put it might imply that I have fallen for the Heresy of modernism which is most certainly not the case.

    Ed: there is nothing hostile or negative in the description “occasional blogger” – that’s what you are. Nothing wrong with that. You come on occasionally and you are very welcome. To say that the use of that factual description somehow implies that your views are not worth listening to, is evidence, perhaps, of your own insecurity. It is not evidence of any hostility on my part. Some of our most insightful bloggers are “occasional” – Prognosticum is one who springs to mind, Michaela is another, although she’s been on a bit more regularly recently, with a worrying leaning to causing trouble 😀 Kidding, Michaela!

    To say that I defend the reforms of Vatican II to the death is factually incorrect…

    Ed: well, I was writing a very short comment and basing my opinion on the memory of our sometime very heated conversations, so if you do not defend the reforms etc, that’s good. And if you are desperate for an apology, as the wounded on this blog tend to be, consider it done…

    …and based on no evidence other than that I go to Mass whenever and wherever I can. One of my sons a very devout and learned catholic put me right years ago when I talked about a dodgy liturgy when he said ‘Dad a Mass is a Mass is a Mass’.

    Ed: well, to say you go to Mass whenever and wherever you can, perhaps needs a bit of qualifying. Both on the phone with me in private conversation and on the blog here, you have expressed what I can only describe as disdain for the ancient Mass. Here’s what you wrote on this blog on 20 November, 2016, at 3.23pm:

    “I have great love and respect for all at CT. I think that there is a lot less to put right in the traditionalist movement S.S.P.X than the rest of the church. I read the prayers from the mass in two very old daily and Sunday missals everyday. Just after I read your last blog I caught the end of ordinariate mass in Sheffield cathedral. As in traditionalist masses we had all the trappings ‘bunting’ etc. etc.. I understand church vestments where modelled on the upper class outfits of the Italian professional class of lawyers centuries ago. Long tassels and board phylacteries where certainly much in evidence yesterday. A saintly old lady recently went to a traditionalist funeral mass and said did we really have to put up with that in the past. Some years ago after a retreat he had been on a man sold his house and opened a hostel at his own expense saying he was tired of the stench of candle wax. My son a very deeply spiritual and highly intelligent man said to me some years ago dad a mass is a mass is a mass. In all love and respect I do have to say that not just referring to the ‘old mass’ we have to guard against obscurantism and individual and corporate spiritual narcissism and always remember it is always about the song and not the singer. (Liam Jenkinson, General Discussion (13) 20/11/16/)

    A couple of our regular bloggers (and one occasional blogger, Therese!) took you to task about those descriptions of the ancient Mass, but you can refresh your memory about that by checking back, if you wish. Here’s the link

    Two processes are at work here and we should exclude personalities. The first process is dynamic negativity a common problem in the extreme right, the middle and the left of the Church and dynamic positivity which is a process of evangelisation which for the most part characterises catholic truth. In all good catholic families disagreements can either fester resentment or be an opportunity for growth in the spiritual life. For the most part catholic truth falls in to the latter category.

    Ed: thank you… I think! However, we don’t like to characterise the Church in terminology associated, more correctly, with political parties. There’s really no “right” and “left” and certainly no “middle” in the Church – there’s only right and wrong. I was once asked by a dissident Bishop to “teach the middle way” but when I asked for specific guidance on what constituted the middle way in teaching about the Real Presence/Transubstantiation, the Mass as Sacrifice, and Birth Control (among other teachings), he was unable to help. To put it mildly. In short, he was not a happy bunny.

    Love & Prayers,


    Thank you! – Ed.

    April 2, 2020 at 8:12 pm
  • editor

    N O T I C E . . .

    As everyone will know, we normally close the blog for the duration of Holy Week, to allow us time to reflect on the Passion and Death of Our Lord, and to attend the various Holy Week services in church. Obviously, that is now not possible, except by participating in any live-streaming services on offer.

    In any event, following requests from readers not to close the blog this year, since things are moving very fast in terms of the Coronavirus crisis, we have agreed that we will not close the blog entirely to comments. We hope the following arrangement meets with everyone’s approval:

    We will open a “Holy Week” thread, to serve the dual purpose of a enabling us to spend time reflecting on the events of this most important week in the Church’s calendar, plus providing a “catch-all” news thread to allow us to keep up to date and discuss new developments if we choose to do so.

    That thread will be posted on Palm Sunday.

    April 2, 2020 at 11:49 pm
  • catholicconvert1

    Aside from the obvious and sane policies to enable churches to stay open during the pandemic, such as by having more masses to enable people to attend in smaller congregations and the priest washing his hands after dispensing the sacrament to each person, what would your policies have been regarding wider society in response to this virus?

    As Athanasius said, the virus has a 95% recovery rate, and pales into insignificance when compared to the Black Death, which wiped out 60% of Europe’s population. Indeed, it took Florence until the 19th century to recover it’s population. Likewise, Spanish Flu killed 250,000 Britons and more than 400,000 French died. 28% of Americans had it, and more than 600,000 died. 700 Philadelphians died in one day, and Cardinal Dougherty ordered seminarians to dig graves. 90% of Samoans had it. Between 902,400 and 2,431,000 Iranians died of it, along with around 17 million Indians.

    In Britain, out of the 4,000 people who have died, I would venture to say, less than 50 of those deaths were among the fit and healthy. Those poor people who have died of it with underlying conditions or age, would have died of seasonal flu. My own great uncle died aged 69 yesterday of this illness. He had sleep apnea.

    April 4, 2020 at 9:14 pm
  • RCAVictor

    I’ve posted before on my opinion that this deranged Pontificate is actually a prefiguring of the time of the anti-Christ. I think this near-universal cancellation of public Masses, at the holiest time of the year no less, fits that pattern well, since it is said that during the 3.5 year reign of this cunning ghoul (there’s that word cunning again), no Masses will be celebrated, and in fact all the Sacraments will be forbidden.

    If it is a prefiguring, then for the benefit of our descendants we should be taking careful note of its ideological features and themes, which will no doubt reappear when those awful days come: days in which our descendants will be engulfed by a confusion which will no doubt dwarf the present confusion.

    April 5, 2020 at 1:42 am

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