Coronavirus Lockdown: Is it Sinister – are we losing our civil liberties forever?editor
Is the presenter of this video a “conspiracy theorist”? A “conspiracy nut”? Or, are those who label him thus, really the “useful idiots” of whom Lenin spoke when he described those who supported and even promoted Communism, despite the fact that it is a brutal, oppressive, authoritarian system of Government? Are we now ushering in that same brutal, oppressive, authoritarian system of Government? Isn’t this a clear case of the fulfilment of that part of the Fatima prophecy which warned that Russia would spread her errors, the primary error being Communism? Or is this a case of “the lady doth protest too much?” (Shakespeare’s Hamlet).
At the risk of sounding uncharitable, I have just uncovered the identity of this “new” blogger as a troll – a clown who appears to be obsessed with this blog and whom I thought I had blocked. I’ll keep trying until he takes the hint.
I saw that video on another thread when someone posted it there and it is chilling. There’s no question about it, it’s no conspiracy theory to say that there is an elite at work in the world trying to overpower us with a one world government. They even say in that video somewhere that there is a need for “one voice” or some such phrase, to make the decisions. It’s terrifying. Those who think such a proposal is a conspiracy theory only (instead of a real conspiracy) are, frankly, useful idiots, helping to bring it about. What I would like to see is the refusal of us all to comply with the rules. But that’s not likely to happen, I know, human nature being what it is.
Our Lady did warn about the spread of Communism and the need for the consecration of Russia to stop it. Unfortunately Pope Francis is all for one world government, so he’s not the pope to do that.
Seems China’s best friend/puppet, the World Health Organisation is taking the lead (as I think was suggested at the Event 101 simulation featured in the introductory video) – things are definitely going to change. Now we’re even being told what to wear…
‘Facial protection the new normal’
A senior World Health Organisation (WHO) figure has said that facial protection is going to become the norm, following the coronavirus outbreak.
Dr David Nabarro, the WHO’s Covid-19 envoy, said that people would need to become accustomed to a “new reality”.
He told the BBC:
Some form of facial protection, I’m sure, is going to become the norm, not least to give people reassurance.
But, I would say, don’t imagine that you can do what you like when you are wearing a mask.
(from Evening Standard).
And this dictatorial “new normal” won’t stop at face masks. You can bet on it.
The WHO Band have more credibility than the so called World Health Organisation WHO are in the Chinese Communists Pockets . I wouldn’t trust them to tell me what day of the week it was . As for Gates and the rest of these Satanists ( which they really are ) they don’t own us . President Trump is practically fighting a One Man fight against this Evil and as for their Corona Virus. Anyone who doesn’t believe that this was Intentionally Fabricated by the Chinese Communists and sent out to Infect and Poison the Whole World is living in cuckoo land . The Evil Chinese don’t care if there are Millions of Dead People in their Land . Their intention along with these power crazed Satanists is to rule The World. Sure that Gates and his ( sometimes am a Catholic) Wife want to put an electronic implant in us all . Yet the same 2 don’t want voter I D at the next Presidential Election. Who do they think their trying to Fool.
As ever, your comment is both entertaining and informative! The WHO band – I’d forgotten all about them!
I agree about President Trump being a one-man fighter against the world. Totally.
It’s a pity he isn’t a bit more worldly-wise – in the sense that he is too natural, not too good at hiding his annoyance and of course his enemies pick up on that. Still, given the choice between a hypocrite who can play to the camera/journalists and an honest man who speaks his mind, and doesn’t always have the vocabulary he needs to hand (that “perfect” call to the Ukrainian Prime Minister was really a “perfectly OK” call, I suspect) but, who cares – so what?
He’ll win in 2020, FOOF. You can bet money on it. And put on a fiver for me, while you’re at it 😀
You’ll see me wearing a mask if I decide to rob a bank. There’s no way I’ll be wearing a mask to conform to the diktats of this authoritarian elite. This is the beginning of the one-world government in action. It’s very frightening but we need to hold our nerve – surely somebody in authority in the UK will see what it going on and refuse to go along with it?
This strikes me as being a visible sign of whether or not they’re going to succeed. Once they can see us all wearing mask on the pretext of protecting us from illness, they’ll go full steam ahead.
I know we’re already under surveillance due to the cameras everywhere, but what about sound? Can the authorities listen in to our conversations? Does anyone know?
I came across some information the other day which pointed out that the N-95 masks, i.e. the ones being recommended by the “experts” (God save us from the “experts”), only filter out microbes down to the 3 – 5 micron range.
The Chinese virus(better known amongst us American wags as the Kung Flu), however, is 2 microns or smaller.
So much for face masks….
It wouldn’t matter anyway since the eyes are glands and so the virus can enter the body through the eyes. So what next? Maybe those over-the-head WWII gas masks with built-in goggles and elephant trunk extensions with little tins on the end. I wouldn’t put anything past these idiots.
Here’s one creative option:
The flaw is that there’s no chimney for smokers.
These things are not coincidences. After the Event 201 George Soros visited China. His son is close to Macron. Bill Gates Foundation will be running a blind trial in the NHS of drugs to treat Covid-19, some NHS patients will get the drug, others will get the placebo.
The plans to create a one world government began 100 years ago. One of the major tasks was to remove weapons from citizens. It was easy in the UK. Very much harder in the US.
Does anyone think that our police will go back to directing traffic, 1950s style?
“A conspiracy theory is circulating that the Frankfurt School had a secret 11-point plan to subvert western civilization. The 11 points are:
The creation of racism offences
Continual change to create confusion
The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
The undermining of schools’ and teachers’ authority
Huge immigration to destroy identity
The promotion of excessive drinking
Emptying of churches
An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
Dependency on the state or state benefits
Control and dumbing down of media
Encouraging the breakdown of the family”
It hardly matters whether it is an actual conspiracy or just series of events if the outcomes are similar.
It is interesting that those who support one world say nothing of religion. Christianity has been attacked relentlessly. The importation of islam, resulting in preferential treatment of muslims, the laxity of Church leaders, the promotion of magic via Harry Potter. These are all signs that the Adversary is hard at work, and winning.
So true! I agree with every word. This Coronavirus lockdown business is orchestrated, however, as are the new draconian laws that rob us of our civil liberties and will never be rolled back. They’re so good at double-talk that the Prime Minister publicly thanks people for “self isolating” while knowing that he used the police to enforce near-house arrest of the public. See how they twist things to detract from what they are actually doing to freedom?
I agree that these new emergency laws will never be rolled back. I received the updates on my mobile from UK Gov Covid 19, and I am amazed at how detailed and the high number of daily updates there are, its very telling. There is no way that they have just been produced overnight – They have been prepared a long time ago, waiting for this time to release them. Even the SNPs state guardian legislation took months to be released.
Thank you for this Frankfurt School Secret 11point plan. This is incredible.
By no coincidence, that list also forms the bulk of the Communist agenda to destroy the USA. There are 2 DVDs that spell this out:
Are you seriously suggesting that Harry Potter is part of a plan to destroy Western Civilisation? I’ve heard that ridiculous claim before, about Harry Potter promoting the occult, witchcraft and in some cases, Devil worship. I’ve watched all the films several times over, but only read the first book. Many of my friends have watched the films and read all the books. Neither myself nor any of them felt subverted or tempted to engage in the occult etc. It impacted my Catholicism in no way whatsoever. I don’t know if you noticed, the bad guys lost in Harry Potter. Lord Voldemort was destroyed and never to return, and his allies and servants robbed of their power. Why don’t people rail against the Lord of the Rings?
You and your friends seem to have forgotten that “magic” (and I’m not speaking of card tricks) is synonymous with “witchcraft” and “occult.” Not to mention the following:
1. “The bad guys lost in Harry Potter.” How? Through magic.
2. “Lord Voldemort was destroyed.” How? Through magic.
3. “His allies and servants robbed of their power.” How? Through magic.
Not, mind you, through the power of God, but through incantations and the use of magic wands, which allegedly had superior powers because of “love.” Right.
I’m glad those movies had no effect on your Faith, but I would not recommend watching any more of them. I watched a couple of them myself, years ago, before I returned to the Church. They are certainly entertaining, but hardly helpful, to make the understatement of the year, in countering the rise of the occult in modern times.
As for Lord of the Rings, that’s a very good question!
Both Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter are fantasies based on the supernatural. The difference between them and their influence is that Tolkien, the author of Lord of the Rings was Catholic while the author of Harry Potter, J K Rowling, is not Catholic.
Hence, the former work presents to readers and viewers the struggle between good and evil from the Catholic perspective while the latter presents the only a strugle between opposing uses of witchcraft, the black and so-called “white” witchcraft strugle.
The resultant influence of both works on people’s perceptions should be quite obvious from what I have just said. There’s a difference between practicing witchcraft and establishing it as a “harmless”, sometimes, helpful aid. From that point of view it’s evil.
I have read the Silmarillion, the Hobbit and LOTR trilogy, and those beautifully written books demonstrate the virtues of sacrifice, moral courage, true friendship and faith, and also the consequences of greed, pride and obsession. Gandalf, to me was the symbol of Actual Grace and the Lembas Bread given by the Elves to the Nine Companions was the image of the Eucharist. I don’t know who the Elves symbolise though, because, whilst Lothlorien was a symbol of beauty and beauty that no evil thing had touched, it was ruled by Galadriel, one of the Noldor who left Aman the Blessed after being led by the disobedient Feanor. Some have said they symbolise Angels, but in the Trilogy, the Elves return to Aman (or Heaven) after the fell, whereas the Angels who followed Lucifer in the Bible cannot be redeemed. I digress. I simply cannot see the harm in Harry Potter. The spells uttered by Harry and his friends are the figment of JK Rowling’s imagination. It’s not as if she devised them through the use of the Ouija Board, Seances or consulting the Witch of Endor. There is a world of difference between Harry Potter and the Occult.
You might find this article very interesting:
The creation of racism offences – What is wrong with anti racism or anti discrimination laws?
Continual change to create confusion – Changing what?
The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children …
Editor: this entire paragraph has been removed. Whoever instructed you in the Faith, CC, didn’t make a good job of it. What a pity our Education Seminar was cancelled – I’d have sent you a complimentary ticket. When I get a minute, I’ll throw together a blog thread on the subject of purity. Hang on in there – help is coming…
The undermining of schools’ and teachers’ authority
Huge immigration to destroy identity – Agree with that. But some would say that Western Foreign Policy interventions in Iraq and elsewhere led to the social collapses in these countries. Also, what about the poverty in the 3rd world that people want to escape, which is often the legacy of colonialism and exploitation.
The promotion of excessive drinking – Nobody ever promoted that to me.
Editor: any evidence that it’s discouraged? Remind me to tell you about the interview I once watched, open mouthed, on BBC’s morning show Victoria Derbyshire…
Emptying of churches – who is to blame there?
An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime – Agree partly with that, but we have a government here that has cut £1 billion from legal aid. In 2013, 60% had access to legal aid, whereas by 2017 it was only 33%.
Dependency on the state or state benefits – Whilst there are many that refuse to work, what about those on zero hours contracts or those whose wages are so low that their income need to be supplemented by welfare? Over a million people use food banks in Britain due to low wages and benefit cuts and freezes. It is a known fact that since industries such as the mines were systematically destroyed in the North of England crime, drug addiction, poverty and deprivation has risen exponentially in those areas.
Editor: before this invites a class warfare response, nobody here would want to deny those in genuine need of benefits, but there can be no doubt that there is a sub-class which has chosen to live on benefits, as a way of life, rather than work. I take no pleasure in saying that, but I’ve met people of that mindset and lifestyle, just as I’ve met people who are forced to live on benefits when they would much prefer to work – long story, don’t ask. They do exist, though, trust me on that. To repeat, though, the “benefits as a lifestyle” category is a minority, and no fair-minded person would say that the popes were wrong to lay the obligation on States to take care of those in need of material help.
Control and dumbing down of media
Encouraging the breakdown of the family – my parents have been married for 30 years (dad is Atheist, mum irreligious), and both sets of my irreligious grandparents were married for 49 years and 37 years respectively. People now have the freedom to leave unhappy or abusive marriages. How many people before divorce laws were liberalised endured unhappy or abusive marriages, but couldn’t get divorced due to the shame or stigma? Marriage is what you make it. What have governments actively done to discourage marriage? In my parents and grandparents day it was the done thing, but it was a mixed bag at school, as some came from married families and some not. If stopping tax breaks for married couples led to marital breakdowns, why should it? Married couples didn’t have tax breaks or state support for most of history. What about people who had to leave their marriage due to abuse, unhappiness or desertion etc? What about people who never married because they had parents to look after?
Editor: again, CC, something has been omitted from your instructions before you were received into the Church. Do you realise that there are more Muslims and Hindus who hold to Catholic teaching on marriage and divorce that your good self? Food for thought, maybe.
I’ve only dipped into comment on some of your post – I’ll leave the rest to others, in the lockdown spirit of “we’re all in this together” – i.e. why should I do all the work? 😀 !
I did not say divorce was a good thing, what I was saying was that if a man or woman who is in an abusive or cruel relationship, then they should have the ability to leave that marriage by obtaining a civil divorce under the grounds mentioned in order to deal with custody and financial issues etc. I’m also NOT saying that if such a marriage breaks down then they should be able to receive communion or be able to remarry in church. People enter sacramental marriages with the right intentions but unbeknown to one partner the other may end up violent, coercive or controlling. I’m a bachelor (thank God) and you are a spinster, but would you stay with a man who kicked seven bells out of you?
Editor: sorry, CC, I may have misunderstood your original comment. Of course the Church does not require anyone to stay with a violent husband/wife, and civil divorce is permitted for practical reasons, to settle finances and custody matters. However, the fact is that divorce has become too easy and tends to be treated like an engagement now – break it off and find someone new. As for your question – would I stay with a man who kicked seven bells out of me… Only while I was waiting for the ambulance to arrive and take him to hospital… 😀
I’d be happy to do some of the work, if only I could figure out why CC1 replied to my link proving the occult nature of Harry Potter with….his ruminations on social issues…
CC, like our WordPress admin file, has a mind of his own 😀
I had intended to reply to Antoine Bissett’s comment on the 11 points mentioned above.
I completely agree. I didn’t like the Harry Potter series but that’s because I don’t like that particular genre. I also find parts of Tolkein difficult to understand.
The “Lord of the Rings” is a moral tale. If you like, a story of a Crusade. I tend to think of it as a warning against the incursion of islam.
This is what Tolkien said of it,
“The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision. That is why I have not put in, or have cut out, practically all references to anything like “religion”, to cults or practices, in the imaginary world. For the religious element is absorbed into the story and the symbolism.” from Wikipedia.
Harry Potter is about two kinds of magic. The Church does not distinguish “good magic” from “bad magic”.
The Event 201 simulation was the preparation for what the elitists knew was coming. They knew that a different Coronavirus strain was on the loose months before the rest of us and they determined to politicise it for geopolitical ends, hence the “life will never be the same” that we keep hearing from them.
Virulent as this pandemic is, it is not the plague upon us. It is a nasty flu strain that places at risk a small percentage of the population, namely the elderly and those with underlying health conditions. Any normal government would target all health resources at this group and let everyone else get on with it. Up to 90% of people suffer only mild or medium flu symptoms and recoever fully, which is why we know that something isn’t right about the response of our government.
As an aside, if the NHS managed to bring Boris Johnson back from near death a few days ago to address the nation yesterday, looking hail and hearty, then it would have to be acknowledged that the NHS is close to rivalling Lourdes for miraculous cures!
My belief is that Boris never suffered any serious bout of Coronavirus but simply disappeared off the scene for a few days in order to impress upon the people that if the Prime Minister is so seriously affected by Coronavirus then we are all at risk. It’s mind games, like those big yellow signs on podiums when anyone from the government addresses the press and the public, signs reading “Save lives”, “Save the NHS”, “don’t go out at Easter”, etc., all classic audio/visual methods used in psychology to pregramme the population. Same with the “heroes” hand clapping every night, all manufactured to make the sheep believe they’re united in a war against an invader. Mother Theresa was lifting rat-eaten bodies off the streets in Calcutta and wasn’t paid a penny. These doctors and nurses, much as we all respect what they do, get very well paid for their efforts and are hardly embracing certain death while working through a flu pandemic that kills a relatively small number in comparison with the 60 million population of the UK.
This brings me to another point. If the news channels put out the daily numbers of cancer deaths, heart deaths, seasonal flu deaths, etc. alongside Coronavirus deaths, then I think people would quickly realise that these numbers are not exceptional in a country with such a large population. The other thing is, someone need to verify the figures these people are throwing out every day because my understanding is that they are chalking up every respiratory case the enters hospitals as coronavirus, even asthma cases. God alone knows ho many of these numbers they link to Coronavirus have seasonal flu or other virus with similar symptoms.
The entire thing is being orchestrated by corrupt people with geopolitical ends in view. Donald Trump said as much last week when he accused the left wing media of wanting to stall the lifting of restrictions in order to harm the U.S. economy with a view to ending his chances of re-election. He’s no fool, he knows what these evil people are up to, and that includes some in our UK government who prefer Communist China to Trump and really do not want Brexit!
I’ve just identified this “new” blogger as a known troll.
Athanasius, I have huge respect for your posts on spiritual and theological matters. On the subject of epidemiology and infectious diseases? Not so much. I wish I could arrange for you to accompany my son (a consultant in infectious diseases) on his exhausting night shifts in his north England hospital. There are currently over 400 seriously ill patients of all ages there . Doctors whose specialities are ophthalmology, gynaecology etc are being drafted in to run acute medical wards. Nurses are on their knees having to offer sick people the chance to say goodbye to their families before they are put on ventilators from which they may not recover. Just like seasonal flu Athanasius? I don’t think so.
Do you seriously think Boris Johnson’s illness was made up with the full compliance of St Thomas hospital and staff?
Now I do accept that there are sinister forces at work with this One World Movement but I really do not think that this dreadful pandemic is down to them. Maybe there are sinister causes behind its spread. Maybe, but please do not pretend it is other than a very serious disease and that it is not yet fully understood by doctors. My son says that people may appear quite well but in fact their oxygen levels are way down and they can deteriorate very quickly.yes there are always similar statistics each year for deaths from flu and other illnesses, but not like this over such a short period in this way.
I agree with you about a lot of things, e.g. Boris was obviously suffering from the virus etc.
However, I remember Editor making a point which struck home with me and which I believe. It’s not that anyone made up or manufactured the virus or set about making a huge conspiracy to fool us into thinking there was an epidemic – that is really far fetched. What I agree with her about is that the sinister elite behind the likes of the Event 101 organisation are taking advantage of this pandemic to instil fear into us and test us out to see just how far and for how long we will put up with the restrictions the governments lay upon us. That, IMHO, is definitely the case.
Also, I think the NHS has been severely strained for decades now. We keep being told it’s the best health service in the world, well, God help us if that’s the best because I spent several hours in a hospital corridor waiting just to see a doctor, never mind being diagnosed and admitted. That was way before the Coronavirus outbreak, so we need to own that, right up front – as I think most medics and nurses do.
I do think it’s suspicious that there are no statistics being given for the deaths by other causes. You’d think, in the middle of this kind of panic, they would try to calm fears by pointing out that there are always deaths from heart failure, strokes, etc. But that’s not happening. We get the impression that everyone is dying from this virus. Does you Consultant son say that all the deaths are from the virus all of a sudden? He’s in infectious diseases to I suppose those are the deaths he will see anyway, but there must be people dying from other causes, surely. Well, in Scotland we’re not likely to find out because the Scottish government has said there won’t be any post mortems at this time. I find that incredible.
I am sure we all appreciate the hard working doctors and nurses in the NHS, I know I do. They’re not the people who are causing concern, it’s the elite in the shadows – or not really in the shadows any more, as we saw in the Event 101 video, as they are becoming more and more open in speaking about their desires for one world government. God help us all, if they get their way.
Pass on our gratitude to your son – it must be gruelling for him and his co-workers at this time, so sympathy.
Not sure if the NHS has issued similar guidelines to UK medical staff, but in the USA our CDC has issued guidelines that deaths primarily from other causes (e.g. pneumonia, various pre-existing conditions) can be listed as COVID-19 deaths if the patient had tested positive!
In other words, the numbers that are bombarding us daily to stoke fear (“a good way to control the population,” admitted one American doctor the other day) are completely false.
My understanding is that anyone presenting at a hsopital in the UK with respiratory problems is automatically chalked up as another Covid-19 case in the stats. Not all are being tested before being marked up. I know of cases of asthma that have been chalked up as Covid-19, so the same will be true of seasonal flu and other viruses with at least similar symptoms. The high temperature is no guide since it depends on what strain of Coronavirus is present, so it’s all down to respiratory or gastric observation of symptoms prior to any testing being done, as far as I know. We can see how such a scenario, if true, could throw the numbers into utter chaos.
Forgot to say that there are apparently two classifications of Coronavirus, one for those tested and another for those suspected via symptoms. The latter classification seems to be the most commonly used in every country since testing, especially in the first few weeks of pandemic reporting, was so slow.
Not sure if I heard it right in the Event 201 video, but I thought the guy narrating it said that Bill Gates owns the rights to vaccines for this virus. Interesting if true!
It’s interesting that you raise the subject of an NHS system that has been gradually deteriorating for decades. I noted from the Covid-19 world stats that Germany has 128,000 infections but only 3,000 deaths. The UK has 88,000 infections, much less than Germany, yet has nearly 4 times the death rate, touching on 12,000. That has to say something about the state of the UK’s NHS, unless the stats are either wrong or intentionally fake.
The first point I would make is that Covid-19 has been with us for more than “a short period”, it has been in the UK since at least December last year, at which time I and many others I knew had all the symptoms. It’s important to bear this in mind because it makes all the difference when speaking of the virulence/severity of Covid-19.
As for Boris Johnson, I found it particularly interesting that no reports where forthcoming from doctors and staff at St. Thomas’ hospital, all the updates, if you recall, where from politicians at the podium at No10. Hence, no doctor or nurse at St. Thomas would have to compromise themselves by giving false information to the British public about the Prime Minister’s health.
I’m not sure if you’ve thought this through, Elizabeth, maybe your son could clarify medically, but it is near impossible to imagine a person being at death’s door with Covid-19, which is more or less what Boris was saying of himself, and then addressing the nation as healthy as you like just two days later. I don’t buy that at all, something doesn’t add up.
Now, concerning the hospitals in the area of England your son works in, I have two things to say.
The first is that, like New York and the north of Italy, certain regions within countries appear to have become hotspots for this virus, usually due to a combination of ageing population and higher numbers of people with underlying health conditions. This does not mean that Covid-19 is any more deadly to the general population than seasonal flu. In fact, I read one medical report, can’t remember all the medical jargon that was used to put the case, that summed up with seasonal flu being actually more danger than Covid-19. It was something to do with mutations, if I recall correctly. Anyway, that’s beside the point.
The fact is of 2 million known infections the death toll globally stands at around 100,000. If what you say of those northern English hospitals was being repeated everywhere then the numbers of dead would cleraly be much higher. They’re not, though, and that indicates a regional problem, not a global one.
I am not swayed at all by this new argument that people of all ages, in otherwise good health, are dying en masse from Covid-19, that’s not what the world’s health professionals are saying officially. While some younger people with previous good health have died as a result of this virus, it has not been clarified by post mortem exactly what complication caused their death. There is, for example, an event called “cytokine storm” which is effectively a killer over production of immune cells in the body in reaction to an invading virus. Inother words, the immune system over reacts to the virus and starts to attack healthy organs, killing the patient. This is already known to have happened in more than a few Covid-19 cases and may well explain why a relatively small number of apparently young and/or healthy people are dying.
The medical experts could not be clearer on this virus, they say it is most dangerous to the “at risk” groups of elderly and those with underlying health conditions. This was bourne out in Italy where the health minister said that only 12% of deaths could be directly linked with the Coronavirus.
Finally, I have heard people before saying that victims of this virus can appear healthy and then suddenly deteriorate. Well, the greater majority, including myself, recover well, as with any flu virus. I think the official figure is that 90% of those who contract this virus recover fine, some even get by with very minor symptoms. The upshot of it all is that only that 10%, the “at risk” groups are generally in danger. Again, there is a markedly different global picture being painted by the experts than you paint for the English region your son works in. Scotland’s hospitals, as far as I know are not even as overwhelmed, so something needs looking at in the region you address.
I think the truth of this is that we do have a virus going around, a new strain of flu which can be deadly, like all flu strains, perhaps even more so with this one, but it is hardly the plague upon us. The statistics we’re seeing from around the world just do not support the terror narrative. Outside of the world’s leading economies, for example, Covid-19 hardly figures. In other words, it’s the world’s powerful nations, a handful of countries, that seem to be pushing this virus as a plague while most other countries around the globe, the majority of nations, have minimal cases. That’s odd, don’t you think? A virus that targets only the world’s economic powers and barely touches the rest of the world? I’m not falling for that, especially in light of that video posted as the intro to this thread.
In fine, I believe your son is experiencing a hard time in his English hospital due to Covid-19, but that’s hardly grounds, given what’s known in general for the rest of the world, to believe the false narrative from governments keen to take away our civil liberties and destroy our economies. I just don’t buy it!
Of course Athanasius doesn’t want that, no one’s wants that but that doesn’t mean it’s not true or that it’s mot going to happen. As frightening as it is, it’s coming our way and soon. You should read Fatima, the Great Conspiracy by Deirdre Manifold, Towards World Government by Deirdre Manifold, The School of Darkness by Bella Dodd and do some research on Fatima.org and you will think very different about this reality. Even if you don’t read these, it’s here, and it’s only going to get worse and it won’t be long now before you start to see it unfolding rapidly now. Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us. We are all it it together now, it’s no joke, we are in it for the long haul until enough people wake up. The rosary and brown scapular are our only weapons. – we were warned.
For the next three months at least our jobs are furloughed, or worse, on 80% salary, most businesses have been shut down, the police are fining and/or arresting citizens for merely visiting family or being outside without good reason, people are encouraged to report their neighbour to the authorities if they walk their dog twice in the same day, we have to stand miles apart from others in lengthy queues to buy basic foodstuffs, etc., etc. And you truly believe us “gullible” who call this a Martial Law/Police State situation??
Well, all I can say to that is I’d rather be gullible than insanely blind, declaring that the king is clothed when he is clearly dancing around in his birthday suit! Talk about being in denial!
As for “needlessly scaring people”, you have simply attempted here to turn around what I said the BBC and the politicians are doing 24/7 with this virus, except they don’t want merely to scare the people, they wnat to terrorise them!
As for your last paragraph, it would be perfectly reasonable if the live statistics on Covid-19 actually supported what we are being told. The truth is, though, the stats tells that we’re being fed wrong information about this virus, seriously flawed prediction models that simply do not equate with the numbers or with what we observe on the ground after 4 months of Covid-19, the odd hotspot aside.
I second that!
You’ve made clear that you’re unhappy about… the media etc.
I agree with you to a point. I also think that we are being chastised by God for our reluctance to adhere to His commands. Not just individually, but as a society. However, where we disagree is on how we turn the tide.
You seem to think, along with others on here, that the only way out of this is for the Pope to consecrate Russia to Mary, which seems pointless given how Russia is no longer under the spell of communism.
We really don’t need to wait for anything; it is already within our capabilities.
As it is written “Righteousness lifts up a nation, but sin is a shame to any people.” (Prov. 14:34). And doubtless you are aware of how God deals with people and nations who ignore His commands and how He raises them up when they please Him.
Editor: Marc, due to your previous rude response to Athanasius I’ve placed you in the blocked list which means I can publish your comments if I choose so to do, if they pass our House Rules test, without being troubled by annoying moderation notifications from WordPress. So, this gets through, because you address the issues without unreasonable personal remarks and you make reasonable points. I am going to briefly address what I see to be the most important one about Russia. Firstly, with respect, it is a mistake to think that Russia is not under the spell of Communism. Russia definitely IS under that “spell” – we’ve discussed this at length on previous threads, where the top politicians have been quoted boasting about having fooled the West into thinking otherwise. But, that’s not my main point. Even if Russia were to have turned into a full-blown capitalist state, the fact remains that Our Lady did not speak about the future history of Russia, except in one sense and was when she said that Russia would spread her errors. Russia did that. Communism is one of those errors. Communism spread – and continues to spread – because of Russia. The first ever nation to publicly deny the very existence of God in its government. This major and very dangerous error, spread to China and other nations. That China is now the apparently dominant Communist force, doesn’t change the fact that Russia must be consecrated. Quite the reverse. Logically, since Our Lady’s warning has come true, that Russia would spread her errors, the key one being Communism, a brutal regime, then – now more than ever – Russia, the source of this error, must be consecrated. Oh, not because that’s my opinion, but because God asked Russia to be consecrated, speaking through His Mother and God does not make mistakes. So whether we understand it or not, in human terms, or whether the request seems out of date to us or not, Russia must be consecrated as requested at Fatima. We need to learn to think like God. Remember, in our “enlightened” society, the Ten Commandments are considered out of date. Look at the state of our world and ask yourself who got it right about adultery – God or Elizabeth Taylor & her think-a-likes. God or the gurus of sex education who have bequeathed to us a whole new profession of single motherhood, fatherless boys and girls who are growing up with the help of a psychotherapist. Russia must be consecrated – preferably before we, too, find ourselves under an openly Communist government. All the news right now is about the Coronavirus – even news about arrests and court cases are linked, sometimes due to people being tracked by technology. Now they’re talking about extending the lockdown but in stages… first to May, then possibly to September. We’re going to have to get used to this way of life. We’re almost there, Marc, so wake up and smell the need to obey Our Lady. Unless Russia IS consecrated, China will continue to dominate the world. May not make sense to you, but I sure do see the connection between this lockdown and Fatima. “Sure do..” Can you hear my American accent? I’m thinking of blocking RCA Victor – reading his posts is affecting my accent! Help!
I appreciate you allowing me to come onto your forum and posit my opinions but can I request that you don’t edit them as to render them completely out of context?
You make some good points Editor but if you think that the Jesuit Pope Francis – or any other future Pope – is going to consecrate Russia to Mary then we are all going to suffer for longer than necessary.
The supposed apparition at Fatima was over 100 years ago. Even if it did occur, what makes you so certain that that it hasn’t already happened? Haven’t Popes consecrated the entire world – including Russia – to Mary’s immaculate heart? I’m fairly sure that they have and yet we still suffer.
Read your Bible. God only helps those who follow His commands and chastises those who do not. No ifs, no buts, no mibbees.
Oh, and drop the teuchter accent, you sound ridiculous 😉
Editor: You are probably unaware of the actual details of the Fatima Consecration but I’ll leave you to explore that yourself if you don’t mind – in short, there have been umpteen consecrations and a million consecrations of various countries (including Scotland) but never Russia and never in the manner prescribed by Our Lady – check it out at http://www.fatima.org Or if you Google it, select only the Fatima Center – all or most of the other Fatima sites are inaccurate, to say the least.
As for my USA accent coming across as a “Teuchter” accent – WOW, folks, can you believe this guy?! 😀
I see you have a lot to learn about Catholicism in general and Fatima in particular. I would suggest you go to the Fatima website and read up the Message and Secret before jumping to conclusions.
It’s not often we get people saying they can suggest a better solution to the world’s problems than that put to us by no less than the Mother of God, not since the Modernists got hold of Vatican II at least, so research is vital if you really want to understand the supernatural origin of what is happening in the world right now.
There is no earthly fix for our problems without recognition of God and His laws by our leaders, and that kind of change can’t happen without a miracle. It really is that simple. God asks humility, first from the Pope and bishops to obey one simple request which they have thus far resolutely refused to do, because they too think they know better.
Just as an aside, I note that you refer to Our Lady, the Mother of God, simply as Mary. I know this probably relates to your Protestant background but it is both historically and religiously wrong to speak of the Blessed Virgin as if she were the woman next door. She’s a lot more than that.
If we can manage “Your Majesty” for an earthly queen then I’m sure we can all manage something better than “Mary” when referring to the Queen of Heaven. This is all part of being Catholic.
With regards to Editor’s previous comment to Marc regarding Russia being under the ‘spell’ of Communism, how is Russia still under that spell? It certainly isn’t economically due to the billionaires and oligarchs controlling the Russian economy, and also, why would a government under the red ‘spell’ grant such prominence (albeit state directed) to Russian Orthodoxy. Maybe that’s the rub, my comment in brackets.
Another thing regarding the consecration of Russia. Pius XI, Pius XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul II, Benedict XVI and Francis all knew and know about the request. John XXIII’s two predecessors were not Modernists, so why didn’t they do it? One thing I found bizarre about the request was that ALL Bishops were required to participate. Even before the council, the hierarchy was polluted by Modernists such as Achille Lienart and many others who manifested themselves at the council. Even if they did take part in such a consecration prior to the council, then their intention might not have been the same as the Pope’s. They might have maliciously taken part physically but not interiorly, or they may have been sceptical to the apparitions. The consecration to Russia ain’t gonna happen any time soon. The whole of the college of Cardinals is, save a few, is Modernist. Even if Cardinal Burke or Cardinal Sarah were elected, it still wouldn’t work due to the Modernists running the show. I know that Our Lord asked all the Bishops to take part to show Our Lady’s triumph, but I think it left it too open to doubt. The Pope is the Vicar of Christ, so couldn’t he have spoken for the Bishops?
I simply don’t have time to answer this latest from you in detail right now, or even later today – swamped. Maybe someone else will do so. If not, I’ll get back to you asap.
However, I will say this right now – it is just astonishing that God could get it so wrong.
Imagine sending His mother to earth to ask for the Consecration of Russia when He surely knew there would be no need by the time it was done and that Russia would give up Communism and that would be an end to it. Our Lady even admitted that it would be late by the time the Consecration was done. Even more odd that God would ask for this event in the first place when He must have known that Communism would be over and world peace in place by the time the Pope got around to consecrating Russia as He had requested through His mother. .
Makes you wonder if the atheists have a point, after all, doesn’t it? I mean, what kind of God does that? 😀
I think you start off under the classic illusion that Communism and Captialism are opposing ideologies when, in fact, we know historically that the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia was financed by Western banks.
Take a look at Communist China and you will see that Communism is quite at ease in a Capitalist setting, just as it at ease in the North Korea setting.
Worth remembering also that the Popes always refer to Communism as “atheistic materialism”, a term that comes into its own when speaking of Russia’s oligarchs.
So the fact that Russia has moved from the North Korea model of Communist control to the China model, i.e., with a face of Captialism, means nothing when we consider that the people are still under a dictatorship.
The Russia Orthodox display falls under the same category of deception since it is controlled by the State, much like the Chinese Patriotic Church. Again, bear in mind that during the height of the Cold War all Russian Orthodox priests and prelates were also members of the KGB. Hence, a semblance of religious tolerance means nothing, it can be stopped at any time. Also worth remembering that during WWII Stalin introduced relaxed laws on religion, an apparent toleration of religion. We now know that to have been a ruse created to fool allied leaders.
As regards the Consecration of Russia during the reigns of Pius XI and XII, I have this to say.
Pius XI was not fully informed of the request of Our Lady prior to his death, so could not have been expected to Consecrate Russia. Pius XII did make a Consecration of Russia to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart, but he did so alone and not in union with the world’s bishops. He later made consecrations of the world to Our Lady, the last of which is said to have turned the tide of the war in favour of the allied forces, then losing everywhere. It remains a matter of debate what exactly Pius XII understood concerning the request of Our Lady, but iti s fair to say that he ultimately did not meet her request, nor did he reveal the Third Secret, which it is said was down to him believing it was to revealed in 1960, by which time he was dead.
Pope John XXIII did read and understand the Third Secret, but it contradicted his optimistic outlook for Vatican II and so he brushed it aside while inveigning against those who present apocalyptic messages at a time of great hope. Very foolish!
John Paul II came the closest, I think, to actually meeting Our Lady request. He wrote to the bishops of the world asking what they thought about uniting with him in a public and solemn act, but most did not respond.
He tried to make up for this with several lone consecrationsof Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary but was advised constantly to stop doing things that could upset the Russian Orthodox. His last consecration attempt (1984, I believe) includes a line he put in clearly indicating his belief that the Consecration of Russia has not been done in the manner requested by heaven. I could find his exact words if I search for them, but you can take it that I have already checked them out previously.
That Modernists were in the hierarchy prior to the Council would have made no difference if a Pope had exercised his Petrine authority to command all bishops to join with him in a public consecration. Heaven would not have failed to respond to such fidelity because a handful of Modernist prelates refused to obey. The same principle applies to the scenario you paint of bishops of bad faith only pretending to consecrate Russia with the Pope. such incidences would not, and I repeat, not affect heaven’s repsonse to the fidelity of all others of good will. It’s the manifestation of consecration by the entire Church hierarchy before the world that God wants in order to show that it is through His Mother that Russia is converted.
As regards the bleak picture you paint going forward with an ultra Modernist hierarchy, I wouldn’t be so hasty with that one.
God knows what is yet to come upon the world, perhaps suffering of a nature that we cannot presently contemplate, that could change the entire paradigm. Just think of this present pandemic nonsense: who could have imagined just a few weeks ago that we in the “free world” would suddenly have our civil liberties suppressed and that our economy would be set on a course of utter destruction within a few months? You see how we cannot judge by appearances?
I suspect that Marc is doing exactly as you suggest in your opening paragraph – let’s give him time! I only posted the link for him last night.
And since we’ve had a succession of popes – notably Benedict XVI – suggesting that the solution offered by God through Our Lady (consecration of Russia to achieve world peace) is “too simple” (for his giant intellectual mind!) we can hardly blame a non-Catholic for thinking the same 😀
As for the use of “Mary” by Protestants. Actually, I once worked alongside a Protestant who would refer to “Our Lady” all the time. I was surprised and pleased at the time. He also showed a liking for Catholic hymns, such as Ave Maria and Panis Angelicus, so I have a suspicion that his Guardian Angel was at work on him even then. I’ve lost touch – this was many years ago – so let’s get to work on Marc’s Guardian Angel. I don’t think he’s a lost cause by a long chalk! (Marc I mean, not his Guardian Angel 😀 )
I don’t classify Marc as a lost cause, just as a person who seems very reluctant to depart from his Protestant views and understanding of things.
I hope he does do the research because it will open a whole new world of truth and wisdom to him.
I also apologise yet again for your post going into the admin folder. It’s driving me crazy. As you know, I did a huge clear-out of that folder recently to see if that would help but it is not really making much, if any, difference.
If it continues to happen, just sing a couple of verses of “Please release me, let me go…” I’ll be sure to hear your dulcet tones and voila! You will be published in a jiffy!
I would certainly hope to be published in a jiffy since the next line in the song is “for I don’t love you any more”. Sounds a bit ominous!
I know more about Catholicism than you appear to know about it. Don’t you know, that your church teaches that Catholics must believe that they share the same pagan, unitarian god of the musims? What a preposterous, obnoxious belief.
Editor: what on EARTH makes you think that, Marc? It is elementary theology, as stated in the Creed, that the Church teaches, always has done and always will, that we believe in one God, Father, Son and Holy Ghost. That is an article of Faith, which Catholics must believe. And it is not remotely what Muslims believe. If you’ve heard any churchman say that we all believe in the same god – a common error in these days of ecumenical and inter-religious dialogue – then he is stating his own personal beliefs – NOT the teaching of the Church.
I find it strange that you feel the need to cajole me into referring to Mary as “Our Lady” yet you have no such qualm with me calling Our Lord, simply, “Jesus.”
Editor: actually, Marc, Catholics – until recent post-Vatican II times – were always discouraged from using the Holy Name liberally – we were taught to always bow our heads at the Holy Name, and to refer to Our Lord as much as possible. To this day, that teaching has stayed with me, and I don’t feel comfortable using the Holy Name unnecessarily.
I get the distinct impression that Our Lord is subservient to Mary, as far as you’re concerned. Which would certainly place you in accordance with the koran’s interpretation of the Christian view of the Trinity.
Editor: you are wrong about this, Marc. We honour Our Lady as the Mother of God. Since the Saviour chose to come to us through Mary, so we can be confident that He continues to dispense great graces through her. That doesn’t place her higher than Our Lord. As Pope Paul VI once said: “For what other reason do we turn to Mary, than to seek the Christ she holds in her arms.”
I read many of the articles over on fatima.org. Anyway, I cannot make heads nor tails of it. There seems to be a lot of confusion on many issues notwithstanding what Mary actually said during the supposed apparitions in 1917. There are no definitive answers given.
Editor: there is no confusion, Marc. Your spiritual vision is clouded – I can tell that from all sorts of things you’ve said – and that will be preventing you from seeing the truth. Key Christian dogmas are reaffirmed by Our Lady at Fatima – the reality of Hell, for one thing. That was pretty definitive, I’d say.
“It’s not often we get people saying they can suggest a better solution to the world’s problems than that put to us by no less than the Mother of God.”
Well, Athanasius, it’s not often that I hear a Christian refute the words of Christ.
Editor: there’s no way Athanasius – or anyone else here – would refute the words of Christ. Unfortunately, Marc, Protestants tend to misinterpret the words of Christ in Scripture and limit divine revelation to the Bible.
When you finally get around to reading your Bible – assuming, of course, you have access to one – make a note of what Our Lord says; specifically, in John 14:6, Matthew 7:7-8. Also, notice that whenever Our Lord performs any miracle that He always precedes this by ensuring that those persons have faith in Him. That is the important element; faith in Christ. no-one else.
Editor: (1) John 14:6 states that “no-one comes to the Father except by Me.” And (2) Matthew 7:7-8 is “ask and you shall receive…” So? You think devotion to Our Lady in some way contradicts these verses? Wrong. As I’ve already reminded you, Christ chose to come to us via His mother and He continues to dispense graces via His mother in order that more souls will come to Christ.”
I don’t really get the point you are making about miracles (at Fatima, the miracle of the sun took place before 70,000 people who had come in faith because this was the first ever miracle in history to be pre-announced and while the majority were there full of faith, a few famous atheists converted on the spot after witnessing the miracle of the sun- all recorded in the newspaper next day); it is worth noting, too, that Our Lord performed His first miracle at the request of His mother (Cana).
So, have faith in Him and ask Him. Him alone, not through an intercessor. No need to wait for some consecration, or other such nonsense. Just have faith and ask.
Editor: (1) the entire prayer of the Church is always addressed to the Father, through Our Lord. (2) That doesn’t mean that we can’t pray to Our Lady and the saints. That Our Lady holds a high place in God’s plan of salvation is evident from early in St Luke’s Gospel – in Luke 1:28, she is hailed as being “full of grace” – no other human being has ever been thus described, nor could they. That alone should be sufficient for any genuine Christian to realise that God wishes us to pay tribute to His mother and recognise her key role in our salvation. It was her “fiat” which gave us Christ. However, Marc, you do not seem remotely receptive to the Catholic Faith, however much you protest your interest, so you can only understand Scripture in a very limited way. You are not receiving the full benefit of your Bible readings because you are reading without true Faith. I hope that will change; we will certainly continue to discuss with you, but note that your errors will always be corrected so if you are not here for the right reasons, you may as well bow out gracefully now. You are welcome here, but if you really think of a Catholic apparition like Fatima or any part of it as “nonsense” then you are unlikely to find us helpful. You may, however, find it helpful to reflect on the insightful remark found in the preface of the play St Joan written by the atheist George Bernard Shaw: referring to the “Rationalist and Materialist historians and essayists who feel obliged to set down a girl who saw saints and heard them talking to her as either crazy or mendacious, the writer continues: If Joan was mad, all Christendom was mad, too; for people who believe devoutly in the existence of celestial personages are every whit as mad in that sense as the people who think they see them.”
I’m sorry – I’ve not long since seen your comment and I took the liberty of injecting some responses.
There’s not a lot I can add to what Editor has said in her response, other than to say that anyone who confuses Catholic teaching with Islam is seriously bereft of theological knowledge.
As I have indicated before, you really must try to overcome your ingrained Protestant prejudices if you truly desire to open yourself to the truths taught by Our Lord’s true Church, the Catholic Church. You will doubtless have noted the words of St. John Ogilvie, highlighted in one of the banners of the Catholic Truth website, which read: “I have come to unteach heresy”. That was St. John’s reason for returning to Reformation Scotland after his ordination to the priesthood and it is one of the principle reasons why this blog exists.
Now, the Scriptural texts you provide as evidence against the intermediary power of the Blessed Virgin are actually quite bogus, as Editor has already pointed out. For my part, I second Editor’s Scriptural reference to the Mother of God having been responsible for Our Lord’s first public miracle at Cana, bearing in mind that Our Lord Himself protested that His time had not yet come.
And what was her response to those words? She said to the steward at the feast “whatever He tells you to do, do ye”. She didn’t remonstrate with Our Lord or beg Him when He said His time had not yet come because she knew He would grant her request. You may also wish to consider Our Lord’s words from the Cross “Son behold thy Mother. Woman behold thy son” Note that Our Lord said “son” to St. John rather than addressing him by name, and the reason for that was that the words were addressed to St. John were addressed to all of God’s children, especially the priests whose celibacy, like St. John’s, “the disciple whom Jesus loved”, particularly endears them to she who is all pure.
If you want a good foundation for the honour we Catholics give to the Most Holy Mother of God, then read the following:
Fathers and saints of the Church
St. Jerome (331-430) remarked: “Per Evam mors, per Mariam vita” (“Death through Eve, Life through Mary”)
St. Ephraem (373) said: “With the Mediator, you are the Mediatrix of the entire world” (S. Ephraem, Syri opera graeca et latine, ed., Assemani, v. 3, Romae, pp. 525, 528-9, 532).
St. Ephraem called Mary the “friendly advocate of sinners” (S. Ephraem Syri testim. de B.V.M. mediatione, Ephermerides Theologicae Lovanienses, IV, fasc. 2, 1927).
St. Cyril of Alexandria, in one of the greatest Marian sermons of antiquity, said: “Hail Mary Theotokos, venerable treasure of the whole world…it is you through whom the Holy Trinity is glorified and adored,…through whom the tempter, the devil is cast down from heaven, through whom the fallen creature is raised up to heaven, through whom all creation, once imprisoned by idolatry, has reached knowledge of the truth, through whom holy baptism has come to believers…through whom nations are brought to repentance….” (Hom. in Deiparam, PG 65, p.681).
Antipater of Bostra, one of the principle Fathers of the Council of Ephesus (AD 431), wrote: “Hail you who acceptably intercede as a Mediatrix for mankind.”
St. Irenaeus said: “And whereas Eve had disobeyed God, Mary was persuaded to obey God, that the Virgin Mary might become advocate of the virgin Eve” (Adversus Haereses V, C. 19, 1).
St. Andrew of Crete (660-740) referred to Mary as the “Mediatrix of the law and grace” and that “she is the mediation between the sublimity of God and the abjection of the flesh.” He called Mary Mediatrix of grace, dispenser and cause of life (In Nativit. B. M. , hom. Iv, and in Dormit. S.M., III; P.G.. t. XCVII, cols. 813 and 1108).
St. Germanus of Constantinople says no one has been saved without the cooperation of the Mother of God (In dormit. B.M., P.G., t. XCVIII, c. 349).
St. John Damascene asserts that we owe to the Blessed Virgin all the benefits conferred on us by Jesus (In dormit. B.M., hom. 1, 3, 8, 12; 11, 16; P.G., t. XCVI, cols. 705, 713, 717, 744).
St. Peter Damian writes that nothing is accomplished in the work of our redemption without her (Serm. 15; P.L. . t. CXLIV, cols. 741, 743).
St. Germanus of Constantinople says Our Lady is “truly a good Mediatrix of all sinners.” (Hom. in Dorm. II, PG 98, 321, 352 3)
St. Tarasius of Constantinople: Our Lady is “the Mediatrix of all who are under Heaven.” (In SS. Deiparae Praesentionem. PG 98, 1499).”
St. Bernard of Clairvaux “God Has willed that we should have nothing which would not pass through the hands of Mary.” (Hom. III in vig. nativit., n. 10, PL 183, 100)
“God has placed in Mary the plenitude of every good, in order to have us understand that if there is any trace of hope in us, any trace of grace, any trace of salvation, it flows from her.”
St. Albert the Great: “… every single grace passes through the hands of Mary.” And again, “The Blessed Virgin is very properly called ‘gate of heaven,’ for every grace that ever came or will ever come into this world came through her.” (Mariale 147)
St. Thomas Aquinas writes: “Mary is the whole hope of our salvation.” “Through the intercession of Mary any souls are in Paradise who would not be there had she not interceded for them, for God has entrusted her with the keys and treasures of the heavenly kingdom.”
St. Louis De Montfort: “To Mary, His faithful spouse, God the Holy Ghost has communicated His unspeakable gifts; and He has chosen her to be the dispensatrix of all He possesses, in such sort that she distributes to whom she wills, as much as she wills, as she wills and when she wills, all His gifts and graces. The Holy Ghost gives no heavenly gift to men which does not pass through her virginal hands.”
Again, he writes: “… Mary whom He has appointed to be … treasurer of His riches, Distributor of His graces, Worker of His great miracles, Restorer of the human race, Mediatrix of men, Destroyer of God’s enemies, and faithful Companion of His great works and triumphs.”
St. Alphonsus Liguori: “God, who gave us Jesus Christ, wills that all graces that have been, that are, and will be dispensed to men to the end of the world through the merits of Jesus Christ, should be dispensed by the hands and through the intercession of Mary.” (The Glories of Mary, Ch. 5).
St. John Vianney: “All the saints have a great devotion to Our Lady: no grace comes from Heaven without passing through her hands. We cannot go into a house without speaking to the doorkeeper. Well, the Holy Virgin is the doorkeeper of Heaven.”
St. Peter Julian Eymard: “Mankind was unworthy to receive the Word directly from God, so Mary was our Mediatrix in the Incarnation, and she continues to exercise that function. No one comes to the knowledge of Jesus Christ and embraces His holy law except through her; no one obtains the saving gift of faith except by her prayers. Her mission, to which she is ever faithful, is to give us Jesus. He must be received from her hands, and in vain do we seek Him elsewhere.”
St. Bernardine of Siena: “Mary is the dispensatrix of all the graces God bestows on man…This is the process of divine graces: from God they flow to Christ, from Christ to His Mother, and from her to the Church…. I do not hesitate to say that she has received a certain jurisdiction over all graces…. they are administered through her hands….” (Sermon V de nativitate B.M.V., cap. 8: op. omn., v. 4, p. 96)
St. Maximilian Kolbe: “Up to the present our relationship, within the whole scheme of redemption, to Mary, the Co redemptrix and Dispensatrix of all graces, has not been fully and completely understood. But in our time faith in her mediation grows day by day.”
“As the Mother of Jesus our Savior, Mary was the Co redemptrix of the human race; as the spouse of the Holy Spirit, she shares in the distribution of all graces.”
Many other saints including such as the Venerable Bede have spoken explicitly of Mary as Mediatrix of all Graces and as Advocate. Such citations became ever more frequent by numerous Doctors of the Church, mystics, saints, and writers throughout the Middle Ages up to the modern era. And then there are those ancient Marian prayers that manifested a confidence in Our Lady’s power of maternal intercession in difficult times. One such prayer was the Sub Tuum (3rd century): “We fly to thy patronage, O holy Mother of God, despise not our petitions in our necessities, but deliver us from all danger, O ever glorious and blessed Virgin.”
Pope Leo XIII wrote 9 Encyclicals on Our Lady and the Rosary.
Other Popes who have spoken of Our Lady as Mediatrix, Coredemptrix and Advocate, to name just a few, are Pope Benedict XV, who, in the Apostolic Letter, Inter Sodalicia, writes: “One can truly affirm that together with Christ she has redeemed the human race. For this reason, every kind of grace we receive from the treasury of the redemption is ministered as it were through the hands of the same Sorrowful Virgin…” (March 22, 1918, AAS 10, 1918, 182)
Pope Pius X in the encyclical Ad Diem Illum Laetissimum writes that “by this companionship in sorrow and suffering already mentioned between the Mother and the Son, it has been allowed to the august Virgin to be the most powerful mediatrix and advocate of the whole world with her Divine Son.”
Pope Pius XI, in the 1924 Apostolic Letter, Exstat in civitate, affirms: “It is clear that many Roman Pontiffs… have stirred up devotion among the nations to the most clement Mother, the Virgin Mary, the Consoler of the afflicted, and the treasurer of all graces with God.” (Feb. 1, 1924, AAS 16 1924, 152)
Pope Pius XII: “To the Beloved Mother of God, mediatrix of heavenly graces, We entrust the priests of the whole world…”
I live in Virginia, USA on the coast near the North Carolina border. As of an hour ago, within the whole state we have had this year :
791 deaths listed as due to influenza,
145 deaths listed as due to Covid 19
Approximately 5,456 due to abortion.
In my surrounding 40 mile radius, including a portion of North Carolina there has been 3 deaths due to the virus. We are on lockdown with essentials such as grocery stores, pharmacies, Walmart,Target, State ABC, car parts stores, tobacco stores open and restaurants are generally pick up only. Only a few Churches are allowing an open period on certain days for private prayer at a ten person total. It is most disturbing. Lord have mercy on us and Our Blessed Mother, Help of Christians intercede and pray for us.
Griffin (I hope you don’t mind if I shorten your very interesting username!)
Thank you for those thought-provoking statistics.
And for your call on Our Lady, Help of Christians. Seconded!
Unfortunately, the abortion statistics never do touch consciences here. The level of critical thinking is somewhere around sub-zero. As long as something is legal, the majority consider it perfectly OK, if not exactly desirable.
They are still remarking, when the subject arises, that this is an agonising decision for women – even after watching the proponents of legalising abortion in Ireland and Argentina dancing with joy on the streets when the vote was YES to killing the unborn.
So, I don’t fall for the “agonising decision” – never did, really. There is always an alternative, circumstances change etc. Only dead consciences could possibly justify killing an innocent baby, whether unborn or after birth, as the decriminalisation brigade is now demanding.
Thank you for your kind reply! My apologies to not seeing your reply much earlier. Due to my own error I failed to change my business email address, which is comprised of a combination of family surnames, Griffin ,married surname, Valentino, family surname ( Val) and Kelley , maiden name( ley), with the added “artistix”, at the time the address was created, I was engaged in the work of creating business and private, mural and trompe l’oeil painting effects. I will update my profile to my proper username Novella.
The demonic ” glee” with which these politicians, lobbyists, supporters and so forth gloat in when Baal has placed yet another brief victory in thier bloodied claws is nauseating to say the very least. I am completely incapable of intellectually grasping how the world has progressed to such ravenous depths of depravity in such a short period of time.
Psalm 67 )commences: Let God arise, and let His Enemies be scattered, and let them that hate Him flee from before His face!”
As it is also the Feast day of St. George, one of the 14 ” Holy Helpers”, St.George,pray for us!
Do you not think there is a possibility that the corona virus is deliberately man made by those very high up with a sinister plan?
I just wonder how many abortions have been carried out by these same (hero) doctors without worrying too much as to whether the unborn baby had PPE or not.
Exactly. I would like to see a table displaying the statistics Athanasius mentions above and the abortion statistics broken down as a direct comparison with population of country and regional – I am sure it would be very clear what is going on.
Not to mention all those elderly patients they’re usually so keen to mark up in hospitals as DNR (Do Not Resuscitate)!
spot on! I couldn’t agree more. We need to pray the rosary more than ever now.
I agree with you except for one thing. Whatever this new “virus is” and I suspect it was manufactured by the Chinese, it’s very dangerous, more dangerous than flu for many who get it. Even a “moderate” episode is like the worst flu ever. We know of a 35-year-old Deacon with no underlying health issues who’s just died with it leaving a wife and daughter. We must not underestimate the lethality of COVID – just how it got here and what the consequences are for the world.
Michael Matt has done a good 45 min video on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPrg_lhNYRM Covid19: Globalism’s Perfect Storm (apologies if this has been promoted before)
I agree with the consensus so far that this fake pandemic (not the disease itself, which is, as Athanasius has already posted, a form of flu, but the orchestrated, hysterical reaction to it) is a rehearsal and preparation for something much bigger and more sinister.
It seems, though, that the UK is much more advanced in the progress of totalitarianism than the USA. This got me to wondering: what is it about England that is so perfidious (“Perfidious Albion”)? What is it in the English character that gave birth to, among other things:
-the martyrdom of St. Thomas of Canterbury;
-the rebellion of Henry VIII and the subsequent slaughter/martyrdom of Catholic clergy and laity;
-the founding of the Bank of England, model of fractional reserve central banking ( = making money out of nothing) in 1694;
-the appearance (or, some would say, the re-appearance) of Freemasonry in London in 1717;
-the success of Nathan Rothschild beyond that of the rest of his family, to hold the purse strings of government(s);
-the first model of world government in the Rhodes-Milner Roundtable (an assortment of Masons) in 1909;
-the appearance of Aleister Crowley, the notorious Satanist and founder of so much occult activity in the 20th century;
-the Beatles (who associated themselves with Crowley – see the cover of the Sgt. Pepper album), the Rolling Stones, and the rest of the 1960s rock and roll revolution: i.e. sex, drugs and rock and roll to corrupt youth;
-the Muslim invasion via globalist-designed “immigration”…
I’m sure you folks on that side of the pond can come up with a much longer list!
But this is also the same country once known as “Our Lady’s Dowry.” Could it be that the chasm between our fallen human nature and our regeneration in Christ is more pronounced in England than anywhere else around the globe?
If England is a “nation of shopkeepers,” as the French revolutionary Bertrand once scoffed, then it seems to me that there is something far more complex going on in the back rooms of those shops.
Before the Scottish Nationalists among us come on in high dudgeon reminding you/us that the UK is not just England, but also Scotland, Wales and part of Ireland allow me to remind you that the UK is not just England, but also Scotland, Wales and the six counties in the north of Ireland 😀 That said, your point is very interesting.
From that part of the UK called Scotland, allow me to deliver a short report…
I’m just back from my permitted once-a-day walk to get some fresh air and alleged exercise (at the speed with which I walk/stroll, there’s not a lot of exercise going on when I am out and about 😀 )
However, today was an education in itself.
It’s a beautiful day here. I went out, for the first time this year, without a coat or jacket – a light top where my jacket would normally be, and my irresistible smile were the order of the day whereas previous weather meant a heavy jacket/coat and a kinda – well – growl! I don’t like cold, rain, wind snow and ice, you see. So, I keep my smiles for the sun!
Anyway, the streets were almost empty, but the few people I passed were so anxious to avoid me it was comical. I had to laugh. Remember, none of these folks know me nor do they know anything about Catholic Truth so it wasn’t personal or religious bias or anything, yet, the lengths they went to in order to avoid me, were nothing short of hilarious. The most comical was The Case of the Young Girl on her Phone…
Without breaking short her conversation on the phone, she climbed up to the top of the grass verge, which was so high I’m sure she could see over the entire city – talk about nervous!
This sort of reaction happened over and over again – I passed at least half a dozen people and out of them all, only one young man, cycling, slowed down to pass me on the path and smiled and said “hello”. I smiled back and said: “WOW! A normal person who smiles and talks!” He laughed, nodded and cycled on. I have a feeling he knew what I meant.
Finally, and here’s the very best of all, so settle back with your coffee and read on…
An elderly gentleman, standing at his front door, smiled as I passed and asked me how I was doing. I don’t know him. He’ll be praying we never meet again, because I told him how I was doing in no uncertain terms. Filled him in about Event 101 – just the basics – and then broke the news that this morning the headlines included the WHO instruction that after this, we’ll all have to get used to wearing face masks. Response from said gentleman? Outrage? Amazement? You kidding? “Oh, I don’t mind that. I’ll wear one no bother.” And there are actually some people who think our education system is producing independent minds, people who can think for themselves, think “outside the box” as they say. Some hope. Most of our population is IN the box, with the lid nailed down 😀
Ten minutes ago, take or leave a few news conferences, the “experts” were telling us that wearing masks made no difference in the general population, that, in fact, they can be counter productive, especially if they are not fitted properly. It’s not easy to fit them properly, the “experts” say. Only doctors and nurses dealing with patients with infectious diseases in hospital need them, or so the “experts” have been telling us. And those “experts” are the same “experts” at the World Heath Organisation who are now telling us that we will need to wear them after lockdown. Why would they do that? Could it possibly be that, as is their modus operandi, they are testing us for that good old obedience factor. They’d be able to see at a glance – literally – just how compliant the population is if all the useful idiots among us start wearing face masks.
I am putting it on record right now, that I will not be wearing a mask except to help Josephine rob a bank and even then only if the split is 60/40 takings in my favour.
I appreciate your efforts to head off a potential high dudgeon pandemic, but none of the items I posted, with the exception of the slaughter of Catholics, have anything to do with the rest of the UK – they all took place in Merrye Olde Englande….so eat your hearts out, Scotland, Wales and parts of Ireland…
That said, here’s my mask report:
1. Last week, upon entering the premises of the food pantry where I volunteer once a week (and whose traffic flow has been totally redesigned so that only volunteers pick the food off the shelves), I encountered 4 members of our National Guard in their camouflage battle uniforms, all wearing their face masks and gloves, all helping to fill food orders for people who had to wait out in the parking lot. They were all very friendly, of course, and were glad to help, but I had to wonder what would have happened if I had suggested to them that this was all a new level of insanity…or worse, if I had refused to don my mask and gloves…
(The presence of National Guardsmen was ordered by our governor – a Democrat).
2. While grocery shopping this weekend at our large grocery chain, I tried to estimate the number of shoppers who were wearing face masks. It was about 5% at most. In fact, not even all the store employees were complying with their politically correct pandemic gear. Perhaps they need to be scolded by Bill Gates, Jeffrey Sachs and their buddy Pope Francis.
Do let us know, btw, how you and Josephine fare with your bank robbery. Which one of you will be driving the getaway car? And on the wrong side of the road, no less…
Not sure I mentioned this before, but, as Groucho Marx said don’t stop me if I’ve told you this before… I want to hear it again” 😀
Visiting a bank last week, I went through a rigamarole to get in, having to answer questions like “why are you going into the bank?”… Er. “it’s about money..” and then having to sanitize my hands and listen to detailed instructions which I must observe to keep the social distancing. Once I nodded my compliance, I was permitted to enter, and found myself in an…
Empty bank. At least there were no other customers.
Just three members of staff behind the counter in a nice little friendly huddle – not keeping any kind of distance that I could see, let alone the magic 2m.
But when I approached with my question, I was hurriedly waved to stand, not just in front of the counter, but behind a broadish table in front of the counter. Truly you couldn’t make it up.
I’m pleased to report, however, that this was not my usual bank. Long story, don’t ask 😀 The staff at my usual bank are very sensible. Which is why…
I think Josephine and I should target that bank – they’ll hand over the cash, no questions asked 😀
While we’re sharing stories of the absurd, the other day I went to a different store than the one mentioned earlier, and found an employee stationed at the large front entrance, telling people that due to an order of the governor, only one family member would be allowed in the store to shop.
Since I was by myself (I left me and I at home), I was waved right in – and found a store full of people, mostly not wearing masks, paying no attention whatsoever to “social distancing,” and as usual buying up toilet paper and paper towels like mad.
Speaking of “mad”….the Satanic globalists must be really getting desperate, to have reached such a new low in irrationality. Made-up genders sounds almost normal compared to this…
It is because the UK for centuries was an empire ruling most of the civilised world that allowed most of these historical evils to take root specifically in Britain. They struck at the very heart of civilisation, in other words, but soon established themselves elsewhere as the empire faded and other nations took prominence.
Here’s an article about Bill Gates’ infamous slip of the tongue (?) regarding the use of vaccines to promote population reduction:
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the spokesman for the USA team giving daily briefings about this, is one of Gates’ fellow travelers (and a Hillary Clinton supporter).
Unfortunately, it looks like the videos of Gates have been taken down.
Another issue here – and perhaps, actually, the real one, is the Big Pharma/population control ghouls’ drive for “universal vaccination.”
Here is the head of the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) discussing the history and ramifications of this insidious development in the USA:
(I use the word “ghouls” deliberately, because that’s what these people are: smiling telegenic ghouls, dressing in suits and ties and dresses, reading their scripts handed to them by the powers behind the thrones.)
I’m interested in your description of “smiling telegenic ghouls” because I’ve been noticing how the female TV news presenters and their counterparts in programmes like Good Morning Britain, when I see them, are all smiling with delight, as they report on this virus – they’re not reporting on anything else, in case others have not noticed. There is NO other news being reported on TV, apart from the occasional ticker tape mention of the death of some “famous” elderly pop star (of whom I’ve never heard) or other alleged celebrity. There just isn’t any other news being reported here. That, in itself, is worrying.
It will be interesting, however, to see whether they report the news that Cardinal Pell is to be investigated again by the Victoria Police over “a fresh sex abuse allegation” back in the 1970s, given that there was no news report on mainstream TV that I saw, about his acquittal. There is to be an exclusive interview with him on Sky News so we can watch out for that. So, their hatred of the Catholic Church may just prompt a break in the Coronavirus news onslaught, and the nation will be told that the Cardinal is to face another investigation of a sex abuse allegation. Just that wee drop of poison dropped in among the “good news” that we’re all to stay in lockdown a while longer.
So, yes, I’ve been taking note of those smiles and remembering the handful of critics here in the UK – Nigel Farage, Peter Hitchens, Brendan O’Neil – none of whom I’ve seen interviewed on any these news broadcasts (and given that they repeat the same “news” hour after hour, I’m unlikely to have missed such an interview) – each of whom has noted that this lockdown was “media driven”. I remember that media-drive; day after day, “when are WE going to be in lockdown” blah blah. Brainless, useful idiots every one of them, sorry to say. So, now they are grinning ear to ear as they fill the screen to show what people are doing to fill their time – having virtual exercise classes, dances, you name it. All so clever and something to be glad about, Pollyanna style. And this is the news?
The lack of any reporting of those who have a different take on the whole business, is notable. I’ve never seen any of the above named “dissenters” being interviewed. The propaganda “we’re all in this together” along with the brainwashing recitation of “Stay home, protect the NHS, save lives” means that there is no room for dissent. We have to look elsewhere for the voices of sanity.
I’ll check out that video later – given Bill Gates’ sinister beliefs about the need for vaccination, I’m on red alert before I see the video anyway, and quite worried at the possibility of forced vaccination. Those who have unswerving faith in the State will write off such worry as “conspiracy nut thinking” but nobody can deny Gates’ own words – and those words remove all claims to “conspiracy theory”,
Here’s a medical analysis of the alleged pandemic:
I think that must be the most telling article I’ve read yet, and so professionally expressed. The huy who put that together is obviously well clued up and intelligent. Thanks for posting the link, I’ve now saved the article and would advise all others to read it.
I am copying here, my response to our new blogger, Claire, who has been posting over on the General Discussion thread. You can read her lovely posts there – my comment below is responding to her latest (at this time of writing) comment – hopefully, you will all recognise why I am copying it here, and pray accordingly – thank you.
Your words are so heartening and humbling. God bless you for your honesty and strong Catholic sense. And be assured of a warm welcome here in Scotland when the lockdown is over and we can make those arrangements.
Confession and the First Saturdays – yes, the “thirst” for these makes sense all right because that thirst is a manifestation of the great graces being bestowed on your soul at this time. Which is why I wish to ask you for a special mention in your prayers. Let me explain a little…
You clearly have God’s attention right now! So, I wonder if you would ask for special graces for this blog at this time, and for my unworthy self, as Catholic Truth is under a severe and sustained diabolical attack right now.
I won’t go into details, except to say that someone long regarded as a friend is now a sworn enemy, reporting me, in my capacity as editor of the Catholic Truth newsletter and administrator of our website and this blog, to various bodies on spurious pretexts. The fact that the attention of secular organisations dealing in the dissemination of information has been drawn to our work, however, is of serious concern. Our Catholic beliefs run counter to the prevailing values in society, and, given the drive to shut down comment which challenges those prevailing values, we are always at risk of being closed down. At the present time, that risk is heightened.
In recent days, a lot of people have been visiting our blog for the first time, and a number of them have said that they have learned things they hadn’t known before, including on our Coronavirus threads. Although everything is well documented, the powers-that-be could justify closing us down by charging that we are disseminating disinformation or misinformation. This virus is proving to be deadly all right but not in the sense the medical experts claim. It is killing our democracy, wafer thin as it has been for a while, and taking away our civil liberties. There’s a thread on that, in case you miss it. I may copy this response to you, on that thread, as I feel the diabolical attack is worsening and we need as much prayer as we can muster, to see us through it. [Done and Dusted!]
So, Claire, just as you have found some inspiration to build your Faith after visiting our blog, so others may be denied that opportunity if our enemy succeeds in destroying this humble work. That would be a terrible thing for him to face at his judgement so my request for your prayers includes a prayer for that person, for peace of soul and clarity of vision for him to put an end to his vendetta against us.
A final word addressed to those who may know or guess to whom I refer as the now enemy of our work – please do not indicate in any way that you know or guess this person’s identity. That would not help us at all – quite the reverse. So, thank you for your discretion in this matter.
Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us; St Gabriel, Archangel, Patron of Communications, pray for us.
God bless you, Claire!
I will pray too. I think it is sad if this blog closes down, since souls could be converted to the Faith and save their souls. We don’t have the Mass and Sacraments, all the more reason why we need this media platform, souls will read this and be either converted or returning to the Faith. Also, it could be encouraging more people to say the daily rosary for the consecration to be done. I don’t see the Bishops and Priests standing up vocally or actively for the Faith. They should be organising a public Rosary for the Faithful. Reminding people about Fatima. It would be good if Catholic Truth could organise ‘somehow’ a public rosary for the Consecration of Russia and the end of Communism and of course the corona virus victims.
Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us
Firstly, we are hoping to organise a public rosary as you describe, but it will take a little while to sort out the details. Watch this space, though – we do plan to do that, as soon as it is possible. It is very urgent, indeed, that the Consecration of Russia be effected – I will be posting an email from the Fatima Center later, underlining the gravity of the situation in which we find ourselves.
Secondly, thank you for your concerns for the blog.
As it happens, I have received a string of emails this morning from the person concerned, who tells me that he has dropped all complaints against us, Deo gratias.
However, that does not alter the fact that the attention of the secular “information” authorities has now been adversely drawn to our platform.
Please continue to pray very hard that we are permitted to continue our efforts, albeit limited in so many ways, to contribute to the restoration of the traditional Catholic Faith in Scotland, and, of course, beyond.
Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us; St Gabriel, Archangel, Patron of Communications, pray for us.
As promised, here is an extract from the email I mentioned earlier. It was actually sent to one of our readers who works hard distributing Fatima literature,with an encouragement to send it on to Catholic Truth:
FROM THE FATIMA CENTER, CANADA…
We are living in previously uncharted times. I believe we have begun that period that all those who know about Fatima (and believe in the message) have dreaded – the period of punishment such as the world has never before seen. Supporters used to ask about this period to come that Our Lady foretold – to me the sign of no Mass or Sacraments, the churches closed, etc., is unmistakeable. We have now begun that dreaded period. I have been meaning to send an email to [Catholic Truth] regarding this.
Years ago I asked Father Gruner, when this final period begins (that is, if it isn’t avoided by the Consecration of Russia being done by the Pope with the bishops) how long will it last? His answer was it will last about 3-1/2 years. I am also reminded of Father’s words, that great saints and Doctors of the Church wanted to live in these times.
That you are reaching out to individuals with the Fatima Message is terrific. The more people we can inform and hopefully who will listen and begin praying the Rosary, etc., the more ammunition to fight against Satan and his henchmen.
Stay safe under Our Lady’s mantle and may you have blessed Easter season.
Please give my regards to [the Editor of Catholic Truth] and pass along to her this email. Ends.
Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us!
Be assured at this time of my prayers on behalf of the blog and also for the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
There is a story that the Covid-19 virus came about as a result of an infected bat being sold in the Wuhan wet market.
I do not believe that for a moment. I do believe that much of the truth can be found in this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdd7dtDaYmM
Father Isaac of the Fatima centre believes that the virus was bio-engineered by communist powers in China to be used as a weapon against the West. I am sceptical about this.
I do believe that this is a chastisement, and possibly the beginning of a series of material chastisements. I am particularly concerned about the olive tree disease which is threatening to decimate Italy’s olive harvest, with potentially devastating economic consequences for that woeful nation.
Given the closing of churches and the lack of provision of the sacraments, I think this is more than a mere physical chastisement. I think – as stated in the email from the Fatima Center above – that this is the beginning now of a long period of chastisement. The Fatima prophecies are unfolding before our very eyes – they have been for a long time, but it’s undeniable now.
As for the idea that China manufactured the virus – I put nothing, absolutely nothing beyond that terrible regime. The brutality which it inflicts on its own people, is beyond belief. Some graphic descriptions are found in the book Fatima & The Great Conspiracy by Deirdre Manifold. Terrifying in the extreme. So, personally, although I obviously don’t know which of the various claims are true about the virus and China’s part in its spread, frankly, I would believe anything about China. Anything.
I fully agree.
Isn’t the idea of God choosing to target the elderly in care homes and the sick with underlying health problems, as part of his great chastisement, somewhat problematic?
Especially if we also buy into the conspiracy that the Chinese deliberately manufactured the virus. This would then mean that God is using the Chinese Communist Government as the instrument of his judgement and vengeance against us?
Surely in the Bible, God sends plagues against the Pharaoh rather than helping them.
Yes, that does indeed seem problematic. Is that what you think?
I never buy into any “conspiracy” – do you? I tend to check up things from independent sources. Try it.
So was it only Pharaoh who suffered the plagues? Here’s me thinking it was all of Egypt. What am I LIKE?
“Is this what you think?”
Yes, of course, I am very troubled by the thought of a virus which is killing our poor, elderly and ill more than anyone else being God’s righteous work taking place.
Editor: this is a mystery of the Faith, Margo – why does God appear to punish the innocent? He doesn’t. Not just the Coronavirus, but all war, disease, disasters, all suffering is a result of the disordered state of the world, resulting from Original Sin. We have to trust that God is all goodness and his justice is perfect.
Meanwhile, the Godless ruling elite of the Chinese Communist Party and the decadent and depraved millionaire celebrities of the West all remain insulated and perfectly safe from this virus. It seems so unfair and unlike the God of Scripture to me?
Editor: The God of Scripture warns us throughout that there will come a day of reckoning for those who inflict (or fail to ease) suffering on the needy in the world. God gave us all free will – including all those millionaires and Communists; for God to have created puppets would not have made us free individuals and God wants us to freely embrace Him, to choose Him, not evil. Those who fail to choose Him, as He has revealed Himself and His Church, will suffer the consequences.
All I am asking is if you think God’s instrument of chastisement has really been created in a Chinese Government Laboratory by Communists and then deliberately unleashed upon us as to punish us for our sins?
Editor: Margo, I don’t know how the virus came about – I only have access to the same news outlets, speculations and report as you do. I just would put nothing past the Chinese government and neither would you if you read half of the evil brutality which is being inflicted on the poor Chinese people. That is one truly evil government – so, I just don’t know precisely how the virus came about any more than you, but I know that God has left us to use our free will to choose Him and if we – or the Chinese government – abuse that free will, then we will pay the consequences in due course. God is wholly just. He will punish evil-doers of every kind, in due course. We need to exercise our Faith, Margo, and not – as it says in Scripture, although I paraphrase (!) – think like the heathens do. They blame God for evil and suffering – we don’t. God permits us to do evil because he created us with free will and intelligence – he doesn’t want it. Evil and suffering in the world is NOT God’s will.
Yes, I find this very hard to reconcile and I don’t understand why you feel the need to make such a defensive and sarcastic reply.
Editor: well I apologise for my sarcastic reply – I wasn’t sure if you were a bit of a troll, having just come through a nightmare period with one of them. So, apologies for that. Although, I have to admit that being a bit sarcy tends to be part and parcel of my humour. I can be a very bad girl, as I keep admitting. However I like you Margo and now that I know we have a slightly different take on humour, I’ll watch that in future.
With regards to your question “ was it only Pharaoh who suffered the plagues?“
Well God spared the Israelites (see Passover) This virus would be the opposite (if it is indeed God’s chastisement created in a Chinese Government Lab)
This would mean God is working alongside the Communists (Egypt) to spare the rich, powerful and wicked. If this is true then instead of punishing Pharaoh, God is helping the Godless to increase their global economic power while punishing the weak, poorly and elderly with the virus.
Editor: God is not siding with the Communists. Remember, He sent His mother to Fatima to warn us before there was any such thing as Communism. Successive popes have failed to obey His requirement that Russia be consecrated to prevent the spread of this evil. Thus, perhaps God is allowing us to see the consequences of tolerating and supporting Communism. Don’t you think that is possibly why God is permitting the suffering that takes place under, firstly Russia and now the evil Chinese regime? It’s not God we should be blaming but, perhaps, the recent pontiffs.
You are of course free not to post this reply or edit it, but perhaps you haven’t thought through the logical consequences of this virus being BOTH a Chastisement from God and also being deliberately developed in a Chinese Lab…at the same time.
Editor: Yes, I’ve thought it through – as I hope my responses to your points in this post confirm. If not, though, feel free to ask your questions or express your doubts. We’ll do our best to help you. I hope you appreciate that I’m taking more care to moderate comments now after my recent experience – we were under severe and sustained diabolical attack, not least because I allowed possible troll-like behaviour to go on for a bit unchecked. Thus, it may be a while before your comments are published – I’ve spent all morning answering emails and dealing with blog comments in moderation, to the detriment of other necessary work, so I’ll not be around for a bit after this.
Can it really be both? That is all I am asking, I too think it may be connected to 5G or developed Bill Gates or by the Communists. And yes, perhaps it is God’s judgement upon as per Fatima, but can it be both…God inspiring Communists to make pandemic being his will? This makes no sense to me
Editor: I think you are spot on about 5G and Bill Gates, and the rest of your doubts are covered above, hopefully in a helpful way. God never “inspires” evil – he allows us to exercise our free will and if we are “inspired” to evil, it’s because we have rejected God and are listening to a very different source of inspiration. To think like that, Margo, we need to exercise our Faith, which means more than a simple “trust” – faith is a form of knowledge: it means knowing that God cannot want evil but He does permit it because he doesn’t want to take away our free will, and then we suffer the consequences of our own actions and the actions of other human beings. I used to use the example of a friend of mine, typical of many people, whose husband left her and their toddler daughter and moved in to live with someone else. Because my friend was a Catholic, married in a Catholic Church to a Catholic man, there was no way out for her. He was cohabiting, and she destined to a life alone as a single mother. Whose fault was that? God’s fault for giving us the commandment not to commit adultery? The Church’s fault, for not allowing divorce and re-marriage, based on Sacred Scripture… or the man’s fault for his sin? Clearly, God did not want my friend to be left suffering and destined to a lonely life as a single mother. It’s the “same difference” Margo – think of it. And God bless you for your patience with my cheeky response. Come back at me if you wish, but be aware it will be a while before I can respond to you now – I’m trying to finish other work, including our newsletter. I’m sure you will understand.
I think if God were to send a plague upon this apostate world it would be of far greater potency and with a far greater death toll than the present pandemic, so I think we can definitely rule out a God-sent Coronavirus.
That God may permit evil men in this world to spread a virus, however, or at least not have the wisdom to deal with one in a sensible way, is quite possible.
I’ve always said that I firmly believe the real chastisement of the Third Secret of Fatima, the most terrifying of all scenarios, is the apostasy and loss of immortal souls in vast numbers, including even many in the high clergy in the Church. There is no earthly virus or other apocalyptic scenario resulting in the death of the body that comes anywhere close to that, bearing in mind that just one soul is more precious in God’s sight than the whole of Creation. At present there is a massive pandemic of gravely sick souls heading to Hell, that’s the silent plague of plagues that very few recognise and even fewer speak about.
They’re saying today that this lockdown might last until 2022 so there’s time yet for that death toll to rise !
Actually, I’ve been thinking that it is the very fact that this lockdown has come about despite the death toll being nothing like the death tolls due to previous infectious diseases, e.g. Spanish flu, that this is a sign of the chastisement, because the politicians have latched on to this one to make us under house arrest and at a distance from other people to cut down communication. They don’t want us gathering on the streets to plot a revolution, LOL!
Also without the sacraments what is the danger to souls? That is a feature of this outbreak and makes it different to previous ones. Never before have the churches been closed and priests not allowed to take Communion/Viaticum to the sick and dying.
So far, this is a terrifying scenario IMHO.
I think it fairly safe to state that the lockdown will not last beyond the few weeks or, at most, couple of months we’ve been told to expect. Imagine the damage to the world’s economy if they attempted to extend beyond that, even by a few weeks? No, that’s someone trying to wind us all up!
You’re right about this virus, though, it is nowhere near severe enough to be classed as a killer pandemic on a par with the Spanish Flu. Indeed, it’s not even remotely close in numbers with the most recent “Swine Flu” pandemic of 2009, which killed 500,000 people.
A Stanford University professor, a doctor of medicine, has just confirmed that today in a Fox News interview with Tucker Carlson. He reckons the death toll from Covid-19 was greatly overestimated and that we’re now seeing that it’s actually quite low, around the same as for Flu. These were his words, not mine. Hence, no justification for lockdown continuing now, let alone extending it.
Athanasius and Lily,
I was so taken aback at the 2022 possibility, that I have just Googled it and found this report in The Independent. It’s the sort of thing that could give governments the excuse to impose restrictions that are more or less permanent – e.g. about social gatherings of more than 2 people. We three would need to meet in the nearest phone box to plot an uprising… Keep this to yourself, though, as we have spies on here who may just report us to the Government 😀 And just because I’m paranoid, doesn’t mean they’re not watching me…
This article from Rorate-Caeli, I think titled Catholic Survival Guide in this Current Time:
Preparing for the Four Last Things: Death, Judgement, Heaven, Hell
Expresses this idea of Christ’s Wounds as a protective refuge against the devil – So read and pray the prayer Anima Christi.
Also included are the Litany of the Precious Blood and Devotion to the Five Sacred Wounds.
Prayer and Meditation is necessary at this time, do not for the Rosary too, we have needed prayer and sacrifice at this particular time, especially in what is happening in the world.
Some light relief. This video clip came to me under the heading “When it’s over!” Enjoy!
I’ve just come from watching (most of) the daily Coronavirus update from Downing Street. The restrictions on our movements and freedom in general, are not going to be lifted anytime soon.
The lockdown has been extended for “at least another three weeks.”
During the anything-but-tough grilling from the journalists selected to meekly ask their questions, it emerged that there is every possibility that we will be living like this until a vaccine is found. That can be anything between 18 months and two years (although they skipped the “two years” bit on the live broadcast just now). I wonder how many bloggers here are willing to live under this house arrest programme for almost two years?
Let’s hope they do not introduce forced vaccination – or there will be people who end up in prison. Not everyone is so malleable and willing to do a Government’s bidding in health matters; goodness there are actually some people who don’t trust politicians, can you believe? And others who don’t trust those involved in working on the vaccine, notable among them the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.
We need some people questioning this whole strategy – as Athanasius has pointed out more than once, 50-100 million people died of the Spanish Flu at the turn of the 20th century, yet not a single country shut down.
Go – as our American cousins say – figure…
Interestingly, I was watching a programme today that included the story of HMS Hood, the famous wartime destroyer that was ultimately blown out of the water by Bismark. More than 1400 people died when that ship went down, more than has died of this virus in 4 months, yet our civil liberties have been suppressed and the economy destroyed. Puts matters in perspective really, does it not?
That battle has always fascinated me. Apparently HMS Hood’s armor plating was completely outdated and insufficient, if I remember correctly.
Is that program on YouTube, by any chance?
The programme I watched was on the BBC and was actually about the Scottish highlands and lochs, the latter being used a lot by British and American naval forces during the war. There’s an amazing history of allied war programmes going on in the highlands during WWII. For example, one of the bigger lochs is where pilots tested the dropping of the bouncing bombs that were later used by the dam busters to flood the Ruhr Valley in Germany.
Anyway, very few ships were able to stand against the armour piercing shells of the Bismark, a ship that was way ahead of its time in terms of build and technology. Sadly for the Hood one of the shells from the Bismark penetrated into the magazine. The resultant explosing literally blew the ship clean out of the water and and split her into two parts, which is why very few of her crew survived.
You probably have a point about Hood’s armour plating, she had been around for a while and had a distinguished history but no match for the Bismark. It took several large destroyers together to finally put Bismark down.
Is that program one of these?
(I couldn’t tell off hand which ones were BBC broadcasts, but if going through them is too time-consuming, I can live without it!)
You’ll find it somewhere in the series represented by this episode: There were two different series made, one called Grand Tours of the Scottish Lochs and the other Grand tours of the Scottish Islands, or something to that effect. There are lots of programmes to sift through, though, but I think you’ll enjoy them. I certainly enjoy them.
Many thanks, I’m on it!
I think forced and universal vaccination is most definitely on the agenda, especially in those countries whose populace is meek enough to accept it. Besides, Bill Gates has already admitted that vaccines are one way to reduce the world’s population. I wonder if that reduction includes him?
Here’s a prescription of sorts that I’ve been carrying around for years, regarding that vaccination eventuality:
Thanks for that, Victor. Worrying!
I think this article (the article is a transcript of the video) is probably the most comprehensive examination I’ve seen of the many factors involved in this “pandemic” – or shall we call it a “panic-demic”? – from the origins and nature of the virus to the well-planned and well-prepared reactions to it.
The author is well-known in some traditionalist circles on this side of the pond (he himself is a traditionalist). He goes off into some tangents in the last part of the article, but eventually ties things together.
Every time I click on the cultre wars link I get a “secure connection” failure, the message reporting that site information cannot be verified. Has it been taken down?
I got straight through first time, so in case it’s something to do with my magic touch, I copied the link to post again – RCA Victor, eat your heart out!
It grieves me to inform you that you’ve lost th emagic touch, your link fails as well. Not to worry I’ll try RCA Victor’s alternative method.
Both my link and Editor’s link still work (they are the same link). If you get that failure message again, try Googling “The Corona Virus and the Culture War,” by E. Michael Jones.
To repeat your response to me earlier – “Im on it”!
Glad to hear it! I did find the BBC segment on WWII shipping – fascinating.
One caveat about E. Michael Jones, who has been occupying more of my attention lately: he tends to blame everything on “the Jews,” and infers they it is they who are our ruling oligarchs.
Curiously left out of his accusations is the fact that most, if not all of the Jews he speaks of are also Zionists and Freemasons – but he never mentions that.
That said, he appears to be a very learned man, with ready access to a lot of behind-the-scenes information, though he is not infallible. In fact, if Editor would add a few more zeroes to my paycheck, I might be able to purchase his new book, “Logos Rising.”
I haven’t got around to reading the E. Michael Jones piece yet, but it’s almost certain he’ll lose a large section of his audience if he’s that outspoken about the Jews. I don’t know why people like this cannot just stick to what the Church teaches about Communism and the secret societies intent on eradicating Christianity from the world and taking away people’s freedoms.
EMJ is a clever guy, I’ve listened to him in the past, long time ago. If I remember correctly, he debated with Michael Davies (RIP) on whether or not the SSPX was in schism with the Church. Mr. Jones argued that it was while Mr. Davies argued that it wasn’t. Davies won the debate hands down but Jones went on to claim victory on the grounds that the 1917 and 1983 codes of Canon law, together with the teaching of St. Thomas Aquinas, all teach that ANY disobedience to the Supreme Pontiff automatically equates to schism, disposition and intention notwithstanding.
I found that to be the oddest thing I had ever heard, i.e., that Catholic subordinates in the Church are effectively slaves to Papal whim, even heterodox papal whim. It’s not Catholic teaching I recognise from Canon Law, St. Thomas or any other saint on the subject. Anyway, it put me right off E Michael Jones because it cast doubt on his objectivity, if not his reasoning.
Spot on. That has always put me off Michael E Jones and anyone else who writes/talks about “the Jews” in that way. It’s ridiculous and, as you say, off-putting. The only subject Jones has ever covered that I’ve found useful, is Medjugorje – his writings on that phenomenon are useful. That apart, I avoid him like the plague – er… so to speak 😀
In a place where you might least expect it, Father Z has a defense of the SSPX yesterday:
As for Dr. Jones, I recently emailed his website to ask why they had posted positive-sounding excerpts of a review of his new book, but upon investigating the full review at its original website, I found it was quite negative!
His (? or website editor’s) response was that they wanted to show how the book was being marginalized by mainstream writers! In response to which, I finally stopped scratching my head, lest someone think I had head lice.
Anyway, for what it’s worth, I thought there was some very interesting information in that article, Jones’ conclusions aside.
Fine. I’ll bow out as gracefully as I possibly can.
Editor: well that makes me sad, but there’s no point in going round in circles. Either you accept the Church as being divinely constituted or you don’t.
I cannot accept much of Catholic doctrine. I have asked and it makes little sense to me. I think that Calvin and Aquinas were right. Perhaps the book written about in Revelation 17:8 does not contain my name. But I think that it does, and I genuinely worry for those who follow not the teachings of God but the teachings of men.
Editor: Marc, whether or not you can accept the fact, the Bible needs to be interpreted – you go searching for interpretations, but the problem is, you look in the wrong place. You ignore the revelations in Scripture that don’t suit Protestant beliefs. Christ gave to Peter, the keys of the kingdom, that is, he bequeathed to Peter, His own authority albeit in a limited manner. Not every word that a Pope says is divinely guaranteed to be infallible. Hence we have an awful pope right now who is more interested in saving the planet than saving souls. Our Lord didn’t promise us perfect popes. None of the bad popes has “written into law” so to speak, any of their false ideas or belief. That is the miracle of Catholicism, it contains within itself, the deposit of Faith – that which has been believed by all Christians everywhere, always, and at all times. As the great convert from Anglicanism, G.K. Chesterton wrote: “To have fallen into any one of the fads from Gnosticism to Christian Science would indeed have been obvious and tame. But to have avoided them all has been one whirling adventure; and in my vision the heavenly chariot flies thundering through the ages, the dull heresies sprawling and prostrate, the wild truth reeling but erect.”
I wasn’t suggesting that Catholics don’t believe in the Holy Trinity. Far from it. However, doesn’t the Catholic church teach that Catholics believe in the same God as the Muslims? Why is the church so obsessed with pandering to Islam? Islam is a satanic cult. When Benedict gave his thoughts on Islam at Regensburg, why did he recant like a coward? How can you follow uninspiring men like that? Do these Popes genuinely bear the gifts of the Holy Ghost? Their actions would suggest that they do not.
Editor: as I’ve just explained, the popes are not perfect or infallible in their every utterance. In recent times, popes have fallen into the grave error of – as you put it – pandering, not just to false non-Christian religions like Islam, but also to Protestant communities, to give the impression that it really doesn’t matter to what religion anyone belongs. That’s an error – and it is an error because it is contrary to Catholic teaching that “outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation”. That popes and other churchmen are effectively denying this dogma at the present time, is all part of the mystery of iniquity, the mystery of evil in the world. We are now seriously beginning to feel the effects of God’s anger at successive popes having gone astray in their personal beliefs. The fact is, however, gone astray or not, none of them has ever made their false teachings dogma. And that’s the only guarantee we have from Our Lord, that He would prevent any pope from doing that – such is the interpretation of the Fathers of the Church on Christ’s words to the early Church, to the first Christians and to the first Pope.
Athanasius had a go at me for calling Mary “Mary” yet saw no problem whatsoever with me calling Our Lord “Jesus.” That is a fact. I’d argue that the reason for this is because he is used to revering her as the Queen of Heaven. Christ meanwhile – the man who sacrificed Himself for us all on the cross – is reduced to a mere sidekick. I find it offensive. You may claim that that’s not what happens in the Catholic church but I have seen it with my own eyes.
Editor: you are misunderstandong what Athanasius said. Obviously, Mary is the name of the Mother of God and there is nothing wrong with using that holy Name of Mary. Athanasius was simply making the point that Catholics tend to say “Our Lady” (as we should say Our Lord). It’s more usual these days to hear the Holy Name of Jesus said, which is probably why Athanasius made no comment on that. It makes no theological sense whatsoever to reduce Our Lord to “a side kick” – that’s nonsense, Marc. Our Lord Himself made clear that He wants us to honour His mother – one of the few things He said on the cross, addressing St John (as representative of the Church and, indeed, mankind) was “Behold thy mother” and to Our Lady “behold thy son”. You just cannot dismiss Our Lady’s role in God’s plan of salvation. No wonder you are having such a struggle to understand the Faith – that Faith which has been unbroken since the time of Our Lord and the Apostles, but muddied by the Protestant reformers in the 16th century.
The point I was making about miracles was in reference to the miracles performed by Jesus in the Bible. Every time, prior to performing a miracle, He always enquires to ensure that those present believe and have Faith in Him.
Editor: I don’t see the point you are making, in the context of this conversation. I can be very slow, but I doubt if this is a game-changer, so we can leave it there.
When Mary asked Jesus to perform the miracle at Cana, He refused her. He told her “my time has not yet come.” He did so later but at His own discretion, not hers.
Editor: well, there you go. Interpreting Scripture as you wish. The fact is, Our Lord told His mother that his Hour has not yet come – meaning, the Hour of his suffering; thus, by doing what she requested, his Hour was being hastened. Yet, she knew her Son and told the waiters “do whatever He tells you…” She had confidence that He would grant her request and He loved His mother so much that He was willing to hasten his Hour. If you think he was dismissing His mother, telling her off, and then just decided on a whim to perform the miracle… well, that’s one interpretation, I suppose. Hardly theologically sound but then very little of Protestant theology IS sound, with all due respect.
I fail to see how John 14:6 can be interpreted in any other way than as it is written.
Editor: of course. I didn’t suggest otherwise. Just as I fail to see how John 6 and Matthew 16 can be interpreted in any other way than they are written, either.
Editor: Goodbye, Marc. You’ll be remembered in my prayers, for what they are worth. God bless you.
Latest today: a plan to make us wear face masks. No way. As I keep saying, God didn’t give me these good looks for nothing. I will NOT comply with that diktat.
And below, a link to a very interesting article over at Fox News in the USA, with a very interesting video chat included – there are actually people over there in the States who think these lockdown measures are an infringement on our civil liberties, would you believe? And that we are being prepared for an indefinite curtailment of our liberty – has anybody else noticed the sudden concerns to keep the measure in place to avoid a “second wave” of the virus, and, too, to keep them in place until a vaccine can be made available… in 2022?
Anyone for a “conspiracy theory”?
We haven’t even had a first wave let alone a second one. The predition at the outset, especially from the World Health Organisation, was of a 3 or 4% death toll from Coronavirus, equating to millions dead. The count thus far after 4 months exposure is 148,000 globally. At the height of Flu season that hardly adds up to a killer pandemic. Something is very wrong here and it’s not the stats, we’re having our civil liberties suppressed for some other reason.
Editor, Athanasius, Marc…St. Alphonsus Liguori…
I suppose I’m too late with this thought, seeing the latest exchanges and farewells, but I’ve been wondering whether a vastly different approach might be helpful.
Marc has been attempting to understand the dogma and doctrines of the Catholic Faith intellectually, which he seems unable to do given his previous Protestant training, not to mention the usual misunderstandings. But converting to the Faith is not just an intellectual exercise where one compares one set of teachings to another and makes lists of advantages and disadvantages, truth vs. truth, etc. It is a transformation of both heart and mind.
Therefore I wonder whether setting aside the intellectual path and pursuing a sustained program of mental prayer would help, specifically, on Our Lord’s Passion, and even more specifically, on the Stations of the Cross as composed by St. Alphonsus Liguori. With that in mind, here is a simple format:
1. The night before you meditate, prepare your subject with 3 or so questions. For example, write down in your journal 3 points about the First Station you would like to consider.
2. When morning arrives, place yourself in the presence of God, adding some brief prayers for the graces you would hope to receive during your meditation.
3. Examine your 3 points and write down your thoughts in your journal.
4. Those thoughts should include an examination of conscience regarding the topic.
5. Form a resolution for the day.
6. Give thanks for God’s help.
7. Concluding prayers at your discretion.
If this program is followed faithfully for a long period, it may eventually, depending on God and Marc’s interior disposition, result in something entirely different than the results we have seen so far…
St. Alphonsus Liguori, pray for us!
That’s a very good suggestion, indeed. Why didn’t I think of that.
Don’t answer 😀
May I suggest a simple addition – or a possible alternative, if necessary?
Marc, this is definitely “counter-cultural” for you but why not give it a try…
Why not pray a Hail Mary (just one) every day, to ask Our Lady to send you some help from Our Lord, to make decisions on your religious future? You could make it a personal novena – i.e. pray the Hail Mary for nine consecutive days. See what happens. If nothing happens, tell me the address of the nearest Protestant church – I’ll be the one doing the converting, not you 😀
Remember, the beginning of the Hail Mary is simply the words of the Angel Gabriel and the words of her cousin Elizabeth, as quoted in the Gospel – the second part was added by the early Church, as a response to the scriptural verses about Our Lady… so, the prayer in total reads:
Hail Mary, Full of Grace, the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
And blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus;
Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us, sinners,
Now and at the hour of our death. (Amen).
A few seconds, Marc – that’s all it takes. And, believe me, your prayers to Our Lady will definitely be answered. Our Lord will see to it 😀
On the other hand, Our Lord would be sure to listen to St Alphonsus, as well. Or, if you do both, you could find that it’s a case of “try one, get one free” 😀
Donald Trump has redirected the US payments intended the the pro-abortion World Health Organisation to organisations which do relief work during this crisis – e.g. the Red Cross
Game, set and match to The Donald!
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