Coronavirus & the Unfolding of the Fatima Prophesy About Chastisement

Coronavirus & the Unfolding of the Fatima Prophesy About Chastisement

From the Fatima Center…

So, all the models about astronomical death tolls and the collapse of medical systems due to the Wuhan virus have proven wrong, as even Governor Cuomo of New York admitted on April 14:

“The president’s projection, Peter Navarro’s projection, CDC’s projection, White House Coronavirus task force projection, then the Gates model, Columbia model, Cornell model. They were all wrong, and it’s good news…”

The “president’s projection” and the “White House Coronavirus task force projection” are both the work of Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Deborah Birx. Both of these characters operate within the web of Bill Gates- and George Soros-funded organizations whose overall strategy is the creation of a globalist New World Order to which Donald J. Trump is the only remaining impediment, as Jeffrey Sachs complained at the Vatican as seen in this remarkable video.

People everywhere are beginning to realize they’ve been had by the “experts” and the state governors who continue to strangle social and economic life with preposterous lockdowns to which there are so many exceptions that no one can seriously think they have saved us from millions of deaths from a virus that, in the end, will be no more deadly than the bad flu seasons accepted as a fact of life.

Nowhere is the evil of this suddenly emergent tyrannical regime more apparent than in this interview of Dr. Fauci by one Peter Hamby which appeared in Vanity Fair. Hamby asked Fauci if people who wish to engage in illicit sexual encounters using “apps” such as Tinder may do so despite the lockdowns. Fauci’s answer is devastating to the whole rationale for the lockdowns:

“If you’re willing to take a risk — and you know, everybody has their own tolerance for risks — you could figure out if you want to meet somebody. And it depends on the level of the interaction that you want to have. If you’re looking for a friend, sit in a room and put a mask on, and you know, chat a bit. If you want to go a little bit more intimate, well, then that’s your choice regarding a risk.”

So, according to Fauci, one can assume the risk of contracting the virus by way of immoral sexual encounters, but no one may assume the “risk” of attending Mass or going to work in “non-essential” businesses! That is, the state will not permit the “risk” of doing what is right while turning a blind eye to immoral activity that really is risky, both physically and spiritually — including abortion.

It could not be clearer that the lockdown regime has nothing to do with “saving lives” and everything to do with social engineering for the “post-COVID world”. On the pretext of a virus, normal social and economic activities are forbidden while abominable sins are allowed to continue without restriction.

This monumental fraud is, quite simply, the devil’s work. And it is yet another sign of the diabolical disorientation of the Church that not only are the Church’s leaders willing to suppress Catholic worship at the command of Caesar, but are themselves exploiting the command of Caesar to participate in social engineering that involves, to quote Pope Saint Pius X in Notre Charge Apostsolique, “a tumultuous agitation, sterile for the end proposed, but which… brings Socialism in its train.” To quote the dreadful Easter Sunday letter from Francis to “the Popular Movements,” which says nothing about Christ: “I hope that this time of danger will free us from operating on automatic pilot, shake our sleepy consciences and allow a humanist and ecological conversion…. You are the indispensable builders of this change that can no longer be put off.”

That a mere virus would be the pretext to accelerate the end stage of civilizational apostasy is something perhaps no one saw coming — at least not this writer. But here it is. How much longer, one wonders, will Heaven defer the chastisement owing to a world in rebellion against Christ and to the defection of a Catholic hierarchy that has de facto abandoned His divine commission to make disciples of all nations? Source – Fatima Center (emphasis added)


It surprises me that Chris Ferrara does not seem to believe that this lockdown of the world is the beginning of the chastisement of which Our Lady warned at Fatima.  It seems to me that the closure of churches, the disappearance of priests and bishops, including those traditional priests regarded by some of us as having been sent by God to see us through this diabolical disorientation, makes that conclusion undeniable.   Share your opinion – maybe you consider that the chastisement will begin in some more ostentatiously dramatic fashion?

Cowardly clergy hiding away and denying the faithful the sacraments is pretty dramatic in my book, and I believe there is more to come, but that the Fatima prophecies are unfolding before our very eyes, seems undeniable to me.

Our Lady warned that Russia would spread her errors:  Russia’s major error was Communism, which has spread far and wide, including to China which is now a key Communist threat to the world and is heavily involved, in most sinister fashion, in this Coronavirus “crisis”.  Our Lady warned of a chastisement if the Pope failed to consecrate Russia as prescribed. Russia was the first nation on earth to publicly deny the very existence of God. That has to be corrected. Yet,  successive popes have failed to obey  God’s Fatima Message.  I see the current lockdown state of the world – with the cowardly clergy centre-stage – as the beginning of the Fatima prophesied chastisement.  What about you?  What do you think?   


Comments (171)

  • Athanasius


    A very interesting video indeed. This could have been made yesterday, it is do remarkably similar to what’s happening now. Thanks for posting.

    April 23, 2020 at 9:07 pm
  • francescomarta

    Thanks Athanasius, this video explains things in greater detail.

    April 23, 2020 at 11:46 pm
    • Athanasius


      Yes, that video is definitely more telling, presented in a calm and irrefutable manner. Extremely worrying stuff!

      April 24, 2020 at 4:10 pm
  • RCAVictor

    Here’s a video from a respiratory therapist, somewhere in Georgia, USA, I think:

    April 24, 2020 at 12:04 am
    • Athanasius


      Straight from the horses mouth, so to speak. This is happening in every country, the same orchestration, the same false statistical method of counting. What troubles me most is that President Trump appears to be going along with it, for whatever reason, as does the profoundly Catholic leader of Soth Korea, the one who consecrated his Presidential office facilities to the Immaculate Heart of Our Lady. The mind boggles!

      April 24, 2020 at 4:12 pm
  • Lucas

    I notice Dr Taylor Marshall has retweeted information about Covid19 from a QAnon account which has previously been discussed here. QAnon also seem to think this is a hoax.

    On the other hand, Lifesite news have published this story about Coronavirus being a chastisement from God because of the Novus Ordo scandal of Communion in the hand

    I think we can concluded that the hoax virus chastisement might have nothing to do with Fatima or the consecration of Russia? Rather, we are receiving this chastisement (in the form of a hoax virus) because Communion on the hand.

    April 24, 2020 at 9:32 am
    • editor


      Nobody here would argue that Communion in the hand is a monumental scandal and surely angers God, as do the many other scandals sadly abounding within the Church today, perpetrated by churchmen and compliant, ignorant laity.

      However, there can be no doubt that we are witnessing the unfolding of that part of the Fatima message which warns of Communism spreading – and it doesn’t spread to the benefit of either ordinary human life or religion. Quite the contrary.

      So, with all due respect, I think we certainly CAN conclude that this virus and the lockdowns have everything to do with Fatima and, in particular, with the urgent need to consecrate Russia, as directed from Heaven, through Our Lady.

      Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us!

      April 24, 2020 at 9:58 am
      • Lucas

        But Editor, how can you possibly know with such certainty that the hoax virus chastisement is because of the failure to consecrate Russia rather than communion in the hand?

        As the original article from the Fatima Centre and Q-Anon states – this virus is no worse than a bad year of seasonal flu.

        Similarly, all the other videos posted here also confirm that the virus is a hoax and that all our Governments, media outlets and Doctors are all clearly lying to us when they say thousands more have died than normal, and hundreds more people than usual continue to die from Covid19 every single day.

        Therefore, Our Lord must be allowing this lie to spread around the world as part of a chastisement for Communion in the hand not because of Russia.

        The only way it could be related directly to the spread of the errors of Communism and Fatima is if the virus was deliberately created in a lab and then spread by the Communists on purpose.

        If the virus is from the Chinese Communists then it would NOT be a hoax created by western our Media, Freemasonary in the deep state and Bill Gates NWO

        It would mean that thousands really are dying of Covid19 all across the world everyday but we’ve already established that it’s not true

        It would also mean that all those made up stories about the virus virtually wiping out care homes are true, not mainstream media lies.

        Editor: with respect, your thinking appears to be confused because you are not – apparently – understanding the nature of the Fatima warnings; Our Lady warned that Communism would spread (unless Russia be consecrated). She didn’t say how (as far as we know – unless that is part of the withheld Third Secret) so my answer to all the speculation, such as you have set out in your comments, is to stick to what we know – not what we (or others) may think. We know that Our Lady warned of the spread of Communism; we know the Communist method of suppression, subversion, brutal totalitarian government etc; we see that happening across the world. That’s what we know. What’s the point of speculating – is Our Lady’s warning not sufficient? It comes, remember, from God. That doesn’t mean we can’t all remember to make reparation for the sacrilege of Communion in the hand which, along with all the other liturgical abuses – the new Mass itself – has undoubtedly offended God. If you read up on Vatican II, and note the Metz Agreement, a pact made not condemn Communism at the Council then, perhaps, you will begin to see that it all ties up with Fatima. In summary, you’re not wrong but you’re not entirely right, either 😀

        April 24, 2020 at 10:43 am
      • RCAVictor


        Let’s keep it simple: I propose to you that Communion in the hand is in fact one of the “errors of Russia.” Why? Because it is a profanation of the Eucharist, and the profanation of the Eucharist reveals a profound hostility toward God.

        What are the errors of Russia? Communism, aka atheistic materialism, aka the denial of God and the supernatural, aka a profound hostility toward God.

        In other words, the mentality/ideology/rebellion that produced Communion in the hand, foreseeing its deadly effects, also produced Communism, foreseeing its deadly effects.

        If that doesn’t convince you, then I’ll add that since, according to Bella Dodd, the Church was infiltrated on a large scale by Communists starting in the 1930s, then it’s a pretty safe bet that Communion in the hand was the idea of some of those embedded Communists.

        One source: Lucifer. Different manifestations. One chastisement.

        April 24, 2020 at 4:57 pm
  • editor

    Today, I was amazed to learn that a friend of mine, not seen him for a long time now, has a very indulgent attitude towards China. Sees no harm in allowing the Chinese Government to overcome the USA economically, etc. As long as the people are working hard, they deserve to do well, blah blah. I was astonished. And then I stumbled across this video of Tucker Carlson interviewing a man who has the very same attitude, more or less. It really makes me wonder just how many people are totally unaware of the true nature of Communism – I thought everyone knew that the aim of the Communist ruling elite is world domination – they could have written the old song “If I ruled the world” – or changed the title to “WHEN I rule the world” !

    April 24, 2020 at 11:57 pm
    • RCAVictor


      There was an article about this interview on today’s American Thinker site (you probably saw it, since you get their emails). But ask your naive friend this: who exactly are the people who are “doing well” in Red China?

      Answer: the members of the Communist Party. Everyone else? Well, welcome to the People’s Paradise:

      April 25, 2020 at 1:14 am
      • editor

        RCA Victor,

        Unfortunately, this is someone who drinks in the mainstream media reports as we read the Doctors of the Church. You couldn’t make it up.

        However, when you think of the benign way in which the BBC reported on surveillance in China a few weeks ago, you can see why uninformed people remain.. well… uninformed. All they need to do here in order to get total unquestioning obedience to the State is, do away with the internet. I’m just amazed that we were ever allowed access to it in the first place. Here’s that BBC report again, posted here for ease of reference …

        April 25, 2020 at 10:30 am
  • Patrick Healy

    I have been following this wonderful learned discussion on here for a couple of days.
    If I may, consider the following.
    There is no doubt that atheistic communism, from Russia (via Karl Marx in London BTW,) is what our Blessed Lady was referring to at Fatima.
    Just consider the number of overt Marxists who are in position of power in the world today.
    In no particular order : Pope Francis, his assistant Card Sordono (who is on record as saying Communist China is the world’s best example of a “just and democratic society or something),
    Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Mrs Bill Gates, Gov Cuomo, Mayor DeBlasio, Gov Murphy.
    I pause there for all them are pretend Catholics.
    Then we have the head of the Chinese WHO an Ethopian called Tedros, the head of the UN Portuguese Guterres. I am not too sure about Soros who is only lacking a forked tail.
    They are just the tip of a very large iceberg of Satanists in power.
    Am I allowed one big complaint?
    Throughout this discussion every one has referred to this Chinese Communist flu as “Covid19”
    Every media outlet gave it the title of Chinese Corona virus, until President Trump used that name.
    The Chinese objected whereupon ALL the media castigated the President and started calling it Corona Virus or Coved 19.

    I call it Wuhan Flu.

    Great discussions

    April 25, 2020 at 10:21 am
    • editor


      I’ve never called it Covid 19 – just don’t think of it that way because it was a name that came late on the scene, as you indicate. I just call it the Coronavirus since that’s how it was introduced to us.

      One “complaint” I’d like to make is that I know from our site stats that we get visitors to this blog from China. The site stats simply list the countries with their national flags, not locations within that country, nor any data about individuals visiting (more’s the pity 😀 )

      China has long been on that list. Yet, as far as I know, nobody from China has signed up to comment. This is an invitation for anyone from China to do that – we’d sure love to hear from a first-hand witness, what life is like over there, and we’d especially like to know your thoughts on the Fatima prophecies.

      That doesn’t take away from the fact that you are ALWAYS welcome here, and very much so, Patrick 😀

      April 25, 2020 at 10:39 am
      • crofterlady

        If some Chinese person is brave (or foolish!) enough to come on here and identify his nationality, he too will disappear!

        April 25, 2020 at 4:23 pm
      • Patrick Healy

        The Flu

        To stop the spread of Wuhan Flu
        We are told to keep our distance,
        “I cannot stand too close to you
        It will compromise resistance”;
        We have a virus every year
        Which eliminates the old and weak,
        It is benign or quite severe
        Depending on your own physique.

        Big Brothers dreams have all come true
        He has herded all the sheeple,
        Into the fold of Flu Manchu
        Where he can control the people;
        Can anyone believe the science
        Computer modeller playing games,
        Which have never show compliance
        With the doom their games proclaims.

        They told us that global warming
        Would by now have wiped us out,
        Look up Soviet Conconforming
        Who could predict both floods and drought;
        What ever politicians need
        Keeping peasants in reliance,
        The pigs trough always full of food
        All our leaders in reliance.

        Apologies if this old wrinklie has posted this before, but it is for RCA Victor who I know likes a bit of Spokeshave or is it Shakespeare?

        April 25, 2020 at 7:18 pm
    • RCAVictor


      In the interest of ridiculing the Satanist power cabal, I prefer to call it the “Kung Flu,” or “Flu Manchu.”

      April 25, 2020 at 4:43 pm
      • Patrick Healy

        I thank you most gracious one!
        I may have put a bit of my doggedly on this venerable site where I copyrighted the Dr Flu Mancu virus.

        April 25, 2020 at 5:11 pm
      • editor


        So, one is “most gracious” now? That makes a change from the titles usually accorded me (not by your good self but by my many enemies) yes, sadly, “gracious” hasn’t been among them, so far…

        April 25, 2020 at 5:18 pm
      • Patrick Healy

        Whilst we are in Teacher mode (or is mood?) a few little teacher jokes.
        She thought to combine art with religious instruction.
        She told them the account of the flight into Egypt of the holy family.
        Then asked them to draw their interpretations.
        Little Annie was busy drawing an elaborate large picture of a fearsome looking man
        When asked what it was she said this is God the father.
        The teacher gently pointed out that no one really knew what He looked like.
        Little Annie said “Well they will when I finish this”
        Mary did a most elaborate drawing of the holy family and a donkey.
        The teacher said “Very good Mary, but why have you put pieces of Toblerone all over it and what is that horrible black thing”
        Mary said “They are the pyramids and that is a flea – you told us that they should flee into Egypt”
        She finally came to Jonny.
        He had drawn an air plane (or aeroplane)
        In the back could be seen a man and a Lady holding a baby.
        Up front was dark figure wearing a pair of boxing gloves.
        When asked he explained “This is the flight to Egypt and that is Punchous the Pilot of course”

        Plagiarized from the late great Brendan Grace.

        Ok – where ma hat an coat

        April 26, 2020 at 9:06 am
      • editor


        Great jokes – and we do need some light relief at this time, so no need to grab your hat and coat 😀

        April 26, 2020 at 1:43 pm
      • Athanasius


        Very good, brought a smile.

        April 26, 2020 at 2:33 pm
      • RCAVictor


        I had a feeling I had picked up “Flu Manchu” from this blog, but I couldn’t remember where, so thank you for the ammunition!

        Graciously Yours,

        April 25, 2020 at 5:21 pm
  • Miles Immaculatae

    I think there have been many material and spiritual chastisements during the past century. I recall Taylor Marshall explaining how when the European colonial empires fell, the outgoing administrations established democratic constitutional polities and market economies entrusted to a indigenous middle class. But it was the Soviet Union in the 1960s and later who armed African nationalist insurrectionists, many of whom were Marxist, such as Mugabe. Consequently, Africa became the basket case it now is, and has suffered famines, wars, genocides, and revolutions.

    April 25, 2020 at 1:14 pm
  • RCAVictor

    I started to laugh at this report of a Lutheran pastor in North Carolina who was reported to the police for conducting church services that met state standards, and with the prior approval of the police, no less. Said the pastor:

    “It’s great that dog grooming, gin, guns, and garden supplies are essential,” he said, chuckling at the irony, “but the body and blood of Christ are not.”

    My first thought was “Was that a slip of the tongue?” But then I realized I don’t know anything about the Lutheran “religion.”

    April 25, 2020 at 4:16 pm
  • Oleg Salenko

    I’m very confused, lots of people here seem to think Russia remains a Communist country today? To be clear, Modern Russia is an ultra free market with hundreds of billionaire oligarchs, extreme wealth and extreme poverty alongside each other, with no real welfare state or healthcare system to speak of. Hardly, Communism.

    More so, the country is insular, with zero interest in a one world Government or the new world order.

    Since the fall of the USSR, Russia has embraced greed, materialism, prostitution, pornography, tv, junk food and all the other hallmarks of liberal American capitalism.

    More so, in Putin, Russia possesses the most Christian leader of any country in the world. Unlike the US or UK, in Russia the Church play a significant role and homosexuality is more or less de-facto outlawed.

    Russia certainly is spreading errors but perhaps not her or errors or Communism, more America’s liberal errors. Regardless, all of this third secret and consecration of Russia speculation is always so overly-complicated, vague and unclear.

    I mean if the consecration happened today would Russia suddenly be converted to the Catholic Faith? Nobody thinks that, which means we are to accepted Russia as an Orthodox country…which already is?

    April 26, 2020 at 11:15 am
    • Athanasius

      Oleg Salenko

      You have to understand the true nature of Communism if you are to recognise its “errors”, the very word used by Our Lady at Fatima to describe what would spread throghout the world from Russia. Remember, this was just prior to the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution.

      Communism exists primarilly to eradicate God and religion from the face of the earth. Whatever else it may claim to be, this is always the first principle and the first action in whichever country Communism takes root.

      Furthermore, Communism wears many masks. It can wear the brutal repressive mask of North Korea, the same one it wore for so many decades in the old USSR, or it can switch to something more Capitalist but equally repressive, such as we see in China. In South America and Western countries it has presented itself in different forms of Socialism which operate under the one umbrella of Cultural Marxism, by which I mean that religion is gradually marginalised in society while atheistic materialism is eveywhere promoted.

      What results after a few decades of this is that all Western Chirsitan culture is eradicated, people become addicted to the materialism on offer and push God aside. The government, for its part, introduces all manner of evil legislation against the Commandments of God, sex of all and any kind gets glorified, even in schools, the media mocks religion at every opportunity, etc., etc., until you end up in a completely athestic, anti-God country.

      Hence, it doesn’t matter which political party people vote for in their country, be it Conservative, Liberal, Labour, or whatever, they all share the same first principle of Cultural Marxism, which is promote immorality and suppress Christianity. Their social policies may vary, but all are utterly committed to establishing a Godless society which largely mocks and suppresses the Christian family and way of life. It’s the roaring bear turned smiling assassin, if you like. Very clever!

      Cultural Marxism is the primary error in all nations today, even in Russia. Just because Putin goes to a church every now and then and outlaws homosexuality doesn’t mean he is not a Cultural Maxist, he is! Do you know, for example, that 98% of the Internet Domains in the world hosting child pornography are registered in Russia? And as we know, there is no real homosexual repression in Russia, it’s allowed provided it doesn’t take to the streets in demonstrations or congregate outside of schools handing out literature.

      Russia is anything but a Christian country today. There are many, many good Christian people there but the State is not Catholic, hence it is lost. That’s what Our Lady of Fatima warned us about. Almost every nation in the world now is atheistic and hostile to Christ’s true Church, the Catholic Church, and it all originated from Russia. Indeed it’s even in the Church, religious ecumenism being a long-standing tool of Communism before Vatican II.

      The KGB was clever enough to know that if you can get a doctrine out there that says all religions are equal and worthy of respect, the outcome is weakened faith leading to apostasy and humanism. And so it has proved since Vatican II all over the world. Ecumenism is a Communist doctrine!

      And why do you think Donald Trump is so detested in America by the Democrats and other Socialist politicians? It’s because he shows signs of respecting God and the Christian family, he stands against abortion. They don’t want that, they want complete State atheism and he’s interfering in the plan. That’s why Donald Trump is despised and why almost every national media outlet spews hatred about him. America fell to Cultural Marxism a long time ago.

      Anyway, take a look at all the nations of the West, including America, and you will see that they are just like Russia, China and North Korea, i.e., atheistic and materialistic. In other words, Communist by any other name. Our Lady knew exactly what she was talking about when she spoke of Russia’s errors, it’s been a work in process since 1917.

      April 26, 2020 at 1:23 pm
    • Miles Immaculatae


      Plenty of Traditional Catholics devoted to Fatima do believe that one day Russia will convert to the Catholic Faith. I heard Father Gruner explain this in a video for the Fatima Centre. He explained that the Russians will become one of the Eastern Catholic Churches.

      I don’t for one minute believe that Russia is a Christian country. It’s a secular country founded on Enlightenment (i.e. Freemasonic) values. Putin uses Eastern Orthodoxy for political and propagandistic purposes, because he is a nationalist and a populist. Hitler and Mussolini appealed to Christianity in much the same way when it suited their political goals.

      I also believe that Russia has the highest abortion rates in Europe. The map I link below, if accurate, is very interesting. Look at Russia. Look at Portugal.

      April 26, 2020 at 7:10 pm
  • Therese

    Staff slam empty London Nightingale hospital as a ‘complete waste of money’ as patients drop to a ‘ludicrously low’ 26
    A source at the 3,600-bed flagship facility told The Mail on Sunday the ‘ludicrously low’ number of Covid19 victims had shattered morale 
    It has been claimed the Nightingale hospital was ‘a complete waste of money and resources’ with staff reluctant to work there
    More than 50 patients are believed to have been turned away since the hospital opened two weeks ago – 30 of them due to a lack of staff
    The number of patients being treated at the NHS’s new showcase Nightingale Hospital fell to just 26 last week after managers failed to tackle a chronic nursing shortage. 
    A source at the 3,600-bed flagship facility told The Mail on Sunday the ‘ludicrously low’ number of Covid19 victims had shattered morale among medical staff and claimed the Nightingale was ‘a complete waste of money and resources’. 
    The 26 patients are being looked after on a single ward by up to 180 medical practitioners and welfare staff, many of whom are being accommodated at hotels near the hospital in London’s Docklands. 

    Some clinical care nurses failed to turn up for their shifts last week, meaning that additional critically ill patients could not transfer there from other London hospitals. 
    More than 50 patients are believed to have been turned away since the hospital opened two weeks ago – 30 of them due to a lack of staff. 
    The number of patients under the care of Nightingale staff peaked at just 41 around ten days ago. That figure had fallen to 26 by Friday, according to a well-placed source. 
    All were being cared for on the only ward in use at the hospital, called Bedford B. Medical staff have also fallen out with managers over the discharge of the Nightingale’s first patient. 
    Carers were told to line the road outside the Excel Centre and clap as an ambulance carrying the patient drove away. 
    Footage of the departure was circulated as an NHS success story. But a source claimed the event was a PR exercise. ‘The patient was still very ill and he wasn’t going home, the source said. 
    ‘He was simply being transferred to another hospital for treatment. The managers wanted a PR hit so we went outside and clapped to order. A lot of us felt bad about it.’ 
    The insider, who spent several days working at the Nightingale last week, added: ‘It is a very expensive business, with all the staff being encouraged to stay in hotels near the hospital. 
    While there is a shortage of clinical care nurses, which means those on shift work extremely hard, all other categories of staff are idle most of the time.’ 
    Last night, an NHS Nightingale spokesman said: ‘The whole point of the London Nightingale has been to build extra capacity to help local hospitals ensure all those who need care can get it. 
    ‘It will be a mark of success if it continues not to operate at full capacity.’

    April 26, 2020 at 4:33 pm
    • Athanasius


      This story just convinces me more that what we’re witnessing with all these national lockdowns is a globally orchestrated experiment in social engineering. There is a virus, it is present in hotspots, the financial capitals of the major economies, oddly enough, and it is deadly to people with underlying health conditions, but it’s no threat to the general public. It’s being used to impose a new form of totalitarian government that can take away civil liberties whenever it chooses under the pretext of “saving lives”. The most ludicrous thing about it is that so many people have bought into the narrative, terrified they’re going to catch a deadly killer virus and die. For most this is simply not true, as the statistics and emerging scientific evidence amply demonstrate.

      April 26, 2020 at 7:46 pm
    • editor


      Thank you for posting that report. I tend to agree with Athanasius – there is definitely something far wrong with this lockdown. “Sinister” is the word that springs to mind.

      Having spent goodness knows how long in queues today, I found myself repeating my latest personal opinion about all the calls for “more testing”. The only testing I want to see now, I announced to all and sundry, who didn’t seem interested in the least, is a mass IQ testing of the entire population of the UK.

      All day, I only encountered one sceptic in one queue, although the bank employee acting as gatekeeper in another queue seemed sympathetic to my cynicism. Neither of my new comrades disagreed with my considered opinion – shared with the above mentioned all and sundry – that this was not about social distancing at all but about social control, social engineering. Two nodding heads in one day.

      It’s called progress, folks… 😀

      April 27, 2020 at 8:14 pm
  • RCAVictor


    If you’d like to post the Rockefeller Foundation 2010 report that was cited in two videos posted here, let me know and I’ll send it to you. Unless, of course, you already have it, in which case I’ll go back to quietly aging in place and contemplating my navel…

    April 26, 2020 at 8:08 pm
    • editor

      RCA Victor,

      No need to seek permission – you can always post such videos here; I trust your judgment. I mean, I heard you got full marks on your driving test…eventually…

      April 27, 2020 at 8:04 pm
      • Athanasius


        That will be Boris Johnson leaving Downing Street when the people realise, too late, that they’ve been had!

        April 27, 2020 at 8:31 pm
      • RCAVictor


        It’s not a video, it’s a PDF.

        April 27, 2020 at 9:21 pm
      • editor

        I see – well, my time for reading is very limited, RCA Victor, and it would have to wait until I’ve caught up with everything else, by which time you could probably have produced a video… 😀

        By all means, though, feel free to either post it here (not sure that is possible, unless it’s an online link) OR email it to me and moi. We’ll both read it eventually 😀

        April 27, 2020 at 10:03 pm
  • Athanasius

    My own little story from today is from my visit to B&Q in Edinburgh where I thought I might be able to get my annual plant demands fulfilled.

    Got there and saw a queue a mile long with an employee directing newcomers towards some distant dots who were obviously the people at the end of it, saying “You’ll wait a about an hour to get in”.
    Well, that set me right off and I started ranting about the insanity this country has descended into. I’m sure as I walked back towards the car park I heard one 6 stone rake mumble something about having weighed 20st when he left the house this morning.

    Anyway, I continued to express my utter exasperation with this lockdown when an elderly Edinburgh ponce interrupted to tell me in rolling marbles voice how his daughter was a doctor putting her life at risk on the frontline(?), to which I responded “First off, she gets paid very well for what she does. And secondly, if she didn’t want to be on the frontline with disease then she clearly shouldn’t have become a doctor”. At that he tried to slip quietly into his car as though being poured into the seat while I shouted, in typical Rab C Nesbitt fashion, “It’s the killer pandemic that never was, a load of old “sh**e”. I felt the colourful metaphor was well justified in the circumstances. A classic lesson that wisdom doesn’t always advance with age, though short-tempered cynicism apparently does!

    So that was my day, how was yours?

    April 27, 2020 at 8:54 pm
    • RCAVictor


      Way to go! I think the insanity of people meekly obeying this lockdown is even more frustrating than the lockdown itself. I find my self thinking unkind thoughts every time I go shopping and encounter people wearing masks. Thankfully, there are not too many of them, but I can just picture Phase Two, when failure to wear a mask in public results in abuse being poured on one’s head, fines and imprisonment.

      There are even people wearing masks while driving!

      I was thinking of having some masks made that say “STAY SANE! IGNORE THE MEDIA!” or replace “media” with “government.”

      April 27, 2020 at 9:35 pm
      • editor

        RCA Victor,

        Your reference to “insanity” reminds me of a report I read yesterday or the day before, about Jeremy Corbyn’s elderly brother who staged a protest somewhere in England, demanding his freedoms back. If I’d been anywhere near, I’ve have joined him.

        Anyway, the comments underneath were typically programmed. There were not all that many but most, if not all, said he was “insane.”

        I asked if any of them had read Brave New World – never mind a history book about the methodology of totalitarian governments, who routinely send people to be “re-educated” when they question government propaganda, and ultimately lock them up as “insane” when the re-education doesn’t work. When I returned to see if anyone had responded, I couldn’t find the (insert adjective) report.

        It used to puzzle me when I saw the apparently happy populations of China and North Korea on TV news bulletins. I wondered if it were all show, out of fear. Not of that opinion any more. The peoples in these Communist countries were conditioned into thinking that their lifestyle is normal and so are we, likewise, being conditioned into thinking that their lifestyle is normal.

        The face masks just drive me crackers. If they make them compulsory in shops, as is being suggested, then I’ll pull a scarf over my mouth at the entrance to the shop and pointedly pull it away again at the door when leaving. One thing I will definitely NOT do is pay for a face mask. If the scarf won’t do, and they won’t give me a mask free of charge, I’ll take the handcuffs instead.

        The latest nonsense is only second hand but I wouldn’t be surprised if true. I hear, not through the grapevine but from among the heather, that Nicola Sturgeon is thinking of allowing us to make up a “set of x number of friends” whom we can have in our homes or socialise with under the social distancing guidelines. Nobody knew what we would have to do with our lists – hand them into the local police station? What if we had a falling out with someone on the list, could he/she be replaced? If so, would it have to be someone of same gender, similar age, hair colouring etc? Why not just leave us alone to get on with our lives as we used to do. Me, I’ve not even had a cold for years now, never mind a flu. My GP will confirm that – see my previous comment in response to Athanasius and the NHS… 😀

        When this episode of totalitarian government in the UK comes to be written up, the historians will throw up; their hands in disbelief and say… the people actually handed over their freedom, thinking it would only be temporary? Had nobody read a history book?

        April 27, 2020 at 10:30 pm
      • Athanasius


        The day I obey Nicola Sturgeon’s orders is the day you can genuinely say I’ve gone insane. I mean, imagine her telling people how many friends they can have at a social gathering? To use the old Scottish response – Aye, right hen!

        April 28, 2020 at 12:25 am
      • RCAVictor


        And what if someone on your virus-cleansed list decides to identify as a different gender? Will you have to make a new, gender-balanced list? In fact, what if the virus decides to identify as a different virus? Will the old virus feel discriminated against and file a lawsuit over its loss of civil rights?

        I think your Fish-in-Chief might have been listening to Gilbert and Sullivan too much:

        April 28, 2020 at 12:41 am
      • Athanasius


        What about “STAY SANE, STUFF SCIENCE”!

        April 27, 2020 at 10:36 pm
      • RCAVictor April 28, 2020 at 12:29 am
    • editor


      That did make me laugh, I’m ashamed to say 😀 I must be honest and say that when I am asked in shops if I want to donate to the NHS (which is the question routinely asked at certain check-outs these days), I have said exactly that; I admire the NHS etc but if they’re not being paid to deal with this virus, then they need to get on to their professional body and arrange a strike. Charity donations – sorry, nope. I’ve been paying into the NHS all my life and I could count on my one hand the number of times (broadly speaking) that I’ve had to use it. In almost every case, my GP has told me there’s nothing wrong with me. What kind of service is that?

      Anyway, I have a feeling you’re going to need this letter when Christmas rolls around……..jpg

      April 27, 2020 at 10:13 pm
      • Athanasius


        That’s the story of my life right there in that little banner, except under the circumstances it should read “Dear Sanity Clause”. Reminds me of the joke about the dyslexic devil worshipper who sold his soul to Santa!

        April 28, 2020 at 12:26 am
      • RCAVictor


        That strikes me as truly odd that you are asked to contribute to a government agency – as if it was a charity! But I suppose that’s what happens when people habitually drive on the wrong side of the road….

        April 28, 2020 at 12:32 am
  • crofterlady

    Haha, that’s very funny!

    April 27, 2020 at 10:41 pm
  • RCAVictor

    Darn, my reply to Athanasius posted a link instead of the image. Try #2:

    April 28, 2020 at 12:33 am
    • Athanasius


      Fear not, I saw the image. Could he be one of the “Gates of Hell” that will fail to prevail? Just asking!

      April 28, 2020 at 2:23 am
  • Therese

    April 28, 2020 at 3:56 pm
    • Athanasius


      Thanks for the video link, brilliantly put by Michael Matt. People really have to open their eyes to what’s going on right now, the window of opportunity to stop them is rapidly closing on us.

      April 28, 2020 at 9:53 pm
  • editor


    Thank you for that Remnant video. Excellent.

    “Medical dictatorship” – exactly right. And now that these medics are in such a position of power, it’s difficult to see them giving it up. When the Government ministers repeat, day after day, that they are guided by “the science”, it’s unlikely that the scientists are going to say, all clear, so let’s get back to normal now. When is it likely to be “all clear”? Actually watching the stats displayed this evening at the daily update, with the experts explaining them, it struck me that it was almost like nobody ever dies in the UK – of anything! The whole thing is crazy, as Michael Matt points out so eloquently.

    And his comments on “everybody else” – those with other illnesses and their medics – are also spot on. I know of two people (one friend, one close relative) whose treatment/surgery has been postponed due to this virus.

    Hearing a doctor saying “this is not about science…and it’s not about Covid… it’s about controlling you” confirms my own feeling about this lockdown from the get-go. It’s not about social distancing but about social control.

    A government spokesman (forget which, probably the Health Minister, Hancock) acknowledged that people might question how, having introduced the lockdown with immediate effect, we have to gradually ease it… (then the usual waffle about guarding against that – secretly longed for – second wave) … yes, we do wonder (those few of us who don’t think the Government/medics/scientists are infallible).

    So, well, said Michael – and thank you for including the clip of that very brave priest. A glimmer of light and hope at this time.

    April 28, 2020 at 7:15 pm
  • francescomarta

    I agree that social distancing is all about social control.

    Attached below is a video of a Dr Buttar who presents an argument on how this Coronavirus agenda is being implemented.

    April 29, 2020 at 9:42 pm
  • Liam Jenkinson.

    Please see the following, sent from my son Gerard

    Love and Prayers

    May 1, 2020 at 5:38 pm
    • Athanasius


      God bless these people, we need to see this happen everywhere. Thanks for posting.

      May 1, 2020 at 11:34 pm
  • johnson de silva

    It is leading us to the great warning of Garabandal – the corona virus, in the year 2021 it be all clear. warning & out for April 2021.
    Editor: I’m afraid we don’t promote any unapproved apparitions here. The only apparition which is absolutely key to contemporary world history is Fatima, with the warnings of a diabolical disorientation to come in the world and the Church, and the spread of Communism until Russia has been consecrated to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart. That’s the only apparition of Our Lady which is relevant to us in these times.

    May 20, 2020 at 2:40 pm
    • Athanasius


      I agree. I have always had trouble with the Garabandel thing. Frankly, I don’t believe in it.

      May 20, 2020 at 10:39 pm
  • The Catholic of Honor

    If it is the beginning of the chastisement, it hasn’t gotten very bad yet. We’re still able to publicly proclaim the Faith. Russia is supposed to “spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church.” I don’t quite see how the coronavirus is an error of Russia, although perhaps this will lead to the spread of communism. Our Lady said that we would have only the rosary and the sign of her Son, and we still have more than that. I have heard the estimate that the chastisement will come in 2029, giving us nine years.

    Of course, all suffering could be called a chastisement, that is, temporal punishment. The only reason the coronavirus exists is because sin entered the world by Adam and Eve. Whether the coronavirus and its consequences exist as part of the Secret of Fátima or not, it is still a reminder to repent.

    August 1, 2020 at 2:40 pm
    • Athanasius

      The Catholic of Honour

      I think you’re viewing this virus in the wrong way in terms of the supernatural. It is not the contention of anyone here that Covid-19 is itself a punishment, given that it’s just a flu being used for evil ends. The real chastisement has been happening in the Church since Vatican II. It’s the great apostasy from the faith from the top down. Hence, it’s not the virus but the response of the Church’s hierarchy to the virus that reminds us that we’re living through the Fatima Third Secret.

      Incidentally, Russia spread Communism to China and now China owns the world, apart from the U.S. under Trump, which is why internal enemies in America are doing all possible to stop his re-election. Besides that, abortion, contraception feminism, homosexual normalisation, etc., in fine, all that attacks the Christian family, emanated from the former Soviet Union, wherein they were rife long before the West adopted them. Hence the reason why I regularly speak of cultural Marxism having taken control not only of the former Christian countries of Europe and the U.S., but also of the Church’s hierarchy.

      The Fatima chastisement is supernatural not material, although material sufferings are inevitable. It relates principally to the loss of divine faith in the hierarchy filtering down through the ranks of the Church, hence the capitulation of the bishops to governments in the matter of lockdown and sanitising rules.

      August 1, 2020 at 3:44 pm
      • editor


        Sorry – your post was (inexplicably) in the moderation box, and I didn’t see it until after I’d written my response to The Catholic of Honor below. I only hope we don’t contradict each other because I hate it when you’re wrong… 😀

        August 1, 2020 at 3:50 pm
      • Athanasius


        Fear not, for I am never wrong!!

        August 1, 2020 at 4:54 pm
      • editor


        Wasn’t it your good self who thought the answer to the question “what’s wrong with this picture” answered: should be the Scottish flag? 😀×700.jpg

        August 1, 2020 at 5:13 pm
      • The Catholic of Honor

        Fair enough. The bishops certainly do not have the best reaction to this. Actually, some have had absolutely terrible reactions to it. All I’m saying is that if it is the beginning of the Third Secret, we haven’t gotten into the worst part yet. Of course, it must be remembered that we don’t technically know what’s in the Third Secret. Still, I think it’s likely that what we are seeing in the reaction to the virus is at least a warning of what we will see when the Third Secret occurs or perhaps it is part of it. It doesn’t really matter in the end, I think, since we’re called to follow God whether we’re in a Chastisement or no. Some saints have been asked what they would do if they were to find out that Christ was coming that day and they said in reply that they would keep on doing what they were doing.

        August 1, 2020 at 5:21 pm
      • Athanasius

        The Catholic of Honor

        I maybe didn’t make clear the Fatima chastisement in my previous comment, so here goes for the second attempt.

        The chastisement of the Third Secret began back in 1962 and has been escalating since. The evidence suggests that it is essentially a supernatural chastisement, an apostasy within the Church from the top down. We have all witnessed this since the Council and the reaction of the hierarchy, including the Pope himself, to the virus demonstrates that divine faith is either completely lost in these men or very weak.

        Material punishments are a side show in comparison!

        August 1, 2020 at 6:34 pm
      • The Catholic of Honor

        Yes, Athanasius, I agree with you. I’m not sure if the coronavirus is part of the chastisement, but it’s a reminder that it’s here in the apostasy.

        August 1, 2020 at 11:17 pm
    • editor

      The Catholic of Honor,

      Just a couple of points where there seems to be a little confusion (perhaps on my part!)

      Firstly, the Coronavirus is not “an error of Russia”. No element of the chastisement will be “an error of Russia”.

      The chief error which has spread from Russia is Communism. And it spread, not least, to China, so much so that we now call that land Communist China.

      Russia was the first nation on earth to publicly disown the very existence of God in its system of governance. That is why Our Lady has asked for Russia to be consecrated to her Immaculate Heart, in conformity to God’s will – then Russia will be converted to the Catholic religion and there will be a period of peace in the world.

      The prophecies of Fatima have been unfolding for a long time now, but are currently accelerating. The spread of Communist tactics – essentially increasing control of the world’s populations – is one clear sign of this.

      You say that we are now still publicly able to proclaim our Faith – where do YOU live? We have had our churches closed for the past four months, and that courtesy of the bishops and priests – even those ordained to work in traditional societies. All are in full co-cooperation with the governments across the UK. Our Lady warned of a diabolical disorientation to come, and that is one major example of it.

      Yes, Our Lady has asked for the daily rosary and the consecration of Russia but I think you must be confusing Fatima with some other (private and unapproved) revelation when you speak of the “sign of her Son” – that’s not from Fatima. For the record, we do not discuss or promote any unapproved apparitions or even doubtful alleged apparitions.

      And yes, we can agree that the virus is certainly a reminder to repent. Big time!

      August 1, 2020 at 3:45 pm
      • The Catholic of Honor

        Right. Sorry, my mistake. That is not from Fatima. It’s from Akita, and yes that is approved in 1984. I have heard it said that it is basically the same message of Fatima and our Lady gave the same Fatima prayer again a second time then before it was ever translated into Japanese. I agree that the Gospel is being suppressed to some degree, but compared to other times, it’s not that bad. For instance, you can still have this blog, a thing not true in Communist Russia or China. It is true that there is a persecution to some degree as chastity, for instance, is mocked, but all things considered, as of yet, we have much to be grateful for, in comparison to, say, how Christians had to live under Communism. That said, if we do not repent, worse chastisements will probably come.

        August 1, 2020 at 5:11 pm
      • editor

        The Catholic of Honor,

        While we did, at one time promote Akita, believing it to have been approved, we no longer do so. There are a number of questions about Akita, not least the likelihood of Our Lady appearing to a Religious Sister in a modern Order, post-Vatican II and making no mention of the liturgical mayhem in which the good Sister would have been participating. Add to that the fact that Our Lady normally appears to children, not adults, and it becomes increasingly questionable that she would appear to a modern Religious.

        All of that aside, however, it is a fact that the limited approval which had been accorded by the local Bishop no longer stands. Thus, we stick with the indisputable Fatima prophecies, not least because they are coming true before our very eyes. It puzzles me to death why anyone would want to focus on anything more than Fatima, easily the most important event in the Church and the world in the 20th century.

        If you think there’s no significant religious persecution going on, that’s interesting. There really is, but as Athanasius points out, it’s essentially coming from the Catholic clergy keen to cooperate with the (effectively Marxist) Governments of the UK. Once we are well and truly under control, and seen to be humbly obedient to Government diktats , the screws will tighten and we’ll find ourselves treated in the same way as the people under Communism in other parts of the world.

        August 1, 2020 at 5:30 pm
      • The Catholic of Honor

        Firstly, that depends on what you mean by “persecution”. There is certainly significant persecution in some parts of the world, only not much where I live. I certainly imagine it will get worse. So, are you saying that you only allow for some approved prophecies or that Akita was later condemned? Our Lady usually appears to children, but that is not a universal rule (such as in Our Lady of Guadalupe or Our Lady of the Rosary). Are you saying also that since it happened after Vatican II, it necessarily has to call for a return to the Latin Mass? It does mention the Devil infiltrating the Church, specifically speaking of bishops opposing bishops, a thing true today. You say a good nun would not have been participating in liturgical mayhem. Were there un-canonical nuances at the time in that part of the world? If you mean the Novus Ordo mass, that was not even allowed again until Benedict XVI. Medjugorje was condemned because it contained things such as heresy and blasphemy. At any rate, unless Akita was repudiated by one of the bishops’ successors or condemned by a higher authority, ecclesiastical approval still stands. We are not required to believe in any personal revelation, approved or not. Again, since we do not know the Third Secret, it might be reasonable to examine other Marian apparitions which seem to have similar messages. Another apparition which might be good to heed is La Salette. Fatima was probably the most important (due to the miracle of the Sun), but that does not necessarily mean we should not listen to other approved apparitions and at least take them into consideration.

        August 1, 2020 at 6:14 pm
      • editor

        TCOH, (hope you don’t mind – I quite often shorten the lengthier usernames),

        Firstly, it’s not that Akita was “condemned” but I once published a report, which I’ve tried and failed to find now, in which a priest showed that Akita had not actually been properly approved at all. I am unable to recall exactly how he arrived at that conclusion, but I’m sure you would agree that even one sniff of false teaching would be (always is) sufficient to cause the Church to dismiss any alleged apparition.

        Well, I posted a thread on Akita back in 2016, using a video which was removed from YouTube during our discussion but not before Athanasius had watched it. I will append the link below, and as you will see, I had accepted Akita so uncritically that I hadn’t even watched the video myself before posting. Here’s Athanasius’ comment:

        “I watched the introductory video for this thread and I have to say that a few things left me a little concerned about Akita.

        The first of these was Sister Agnes’ twin reference to an accompanying angel in prayer as “she”. I have never heard of an angel being refered to as “she”. The other thing that struck me was how modernist the chapel and nuns look, and how unbecoming the image of Our Lady is. There was no hint of a restoration of Tradition there, as I would have expected given the warnings of Our Lady about the apostasy taking place in the Church. It’s almost as if the post-conciliar reform is not seen as the principle cause of this apostasy.

        Fatima indicates the truth of things in the opening line of the text of the Third Secret: “In Portugal the dogmas of the Faith will be preserved…etc.”, indicating that the chastisement is primarily spiritual in nature. Akita mentions apostasy but seems to focus more on a terrible material chastisement of the world by God, to the extent that few will be left and the living will envy the dead. This seems at odds with Our Lady’s Fatima promise that in the end her Immaculate Heart will triumph and a time of peace will be granted to the world. I’m not saying that a Third World War will not happen when there is every liklihood at this time that such a catastrophe may well happen soon. But even if that comes about, the punishment of wars and other natural disasters belongs properly to the Second part of the Fatima Secret, not the Third part. The Third Secret of Fatima is exclusively a supernatural chastisement afflicting the Church and the world, there is no WWIII in there.

        The fall of many consecrated Catholic souls and billions of other souls worldwide, the result of the present universal apostasy from God, is by far a greater chastisement than any mere material annihilation. So why is emphasis placed more on material rather than spiritual loss at Akita? I was also a bit concerned by the claim that if the sins of men continue there will be no more forgiveness. But isn’t God infinitely merciful, always desiring to forgive?

        Other things that made me a little uncomfortable were 1. The local Ordinary’s apparent believe in the apparitions before his investigation even began. Bishops normally start out with the opposite view. 2. The three different blood groups identified by scientists from three separate examinations of the tears. 3. The mark of the Cross appearing on only one hand of Sister Agnes, the left hand. This is not the usual manifestation of the stigmata. 4. Sister Agnes siad at one point that people should pay less attention to the “form” of prayers and concentrate more on content. Content is of course very important, but the form of our Catholic prayers is also essential. We all see the bitter fruits of changes to the form of the sacred liturgy, the Church’s highest and most perfect prayer, the Sacrifice of Our Lord. There were one or two other anomolies that I’ll pass on right now.

        Suffice it to say I have been left very uncertain about Akita. The people interviewed, including Sister Agnes, seemed sincere enough, and nothing was said that was obviously contradictory of Catholic doctrine, yet I have problems believing it. I have no such problems with Fatima and Quito, but Akita troubles me. I think the Vatican should investigate Akita and give a definitive decision on it.

        I should admit, however, that Sr Lucia of Fatima would have been attending the novus ordo in her Carmelite convent, so that, by itself, would not be sufficient to refuse belief in the Akita claims. Just as the Third Secret more likely than not contains a warning against the innovations of Vatican II, especially, a new Mass, so Akita may, as well, for all I would know. However, Sr Agnes’s use of “she”, when speaking of an angel does, in my opinion, warrant dismissal of her claims.

        I do not agree, however, about the need to study similar alleged apparitions. Fatima is all anyone should need, lest we fall into the error warned of by St Paul, of seeking signs and wonders. If we are trying to live the Fatima message, then we won’t have either the time nor the need to go looking for other apparitions. It smacks of superstition, frankly. No need. The only exception to that would be Quito, precisely because it dates from centuries ago, and prophesies that dire state of the Church in our times.

        August 1, 2020 at 7:04 pm
      • The Catholic of Honor

        I never said we should look into all alleged Marian apparitions. I only really care about approved ones. If there is an unapproved, I probably wouldn’t even bother reading it. I should probably look into that. I don’t really have time to see the authenticity of every approved Marian apparition.
        I never said Akita had the exact same message as Fatima, only that I’ve heard that a lot of it was similar. If Sr. Agnes used “she” for an angel, that certainly is curious and suspicious. I might look into that.
        The first point, that the local bishops originally seemed to believe it is unusual, but I wouldn’t say it’s necessarily false on that account. If I find the time, I’ll look into the bit about the scientists doing investigations. Certainly the third point is strange. The bit about form and content could mean a number of things, but I think, although form is important, content is more so. Nothing struck me as unbecoming about the statue of our Lady. Even if it isn’t the best depiction, I wouldn’t be surprised if she would use it to stress her sorrow, since the statue would be evidence of it. Certainly nothing looked insulting about it. I mean, God certainly does chastise us in material ways as well (such as the Flood). If there will be no forgiveness, I could easily suppose that means there will be no contrition. It certainly warns of an apostasy.
        I do disagree, in a sense, that Fatima is “all anyone should need”, although we definitely shouldn’t trust apparitions without first making sure they are actually of heavenly origin and Fatima is probably the most important recent apparition from our Lady. If our Lady actually did give other recent messages which might pertain to the apostasy, I think we ought to pay attention to it.

        August 1, 2020 at 11:56 pm
      • Athanasius


        I looked into Akita a long time ago and it was decidedly questionable. The fact that it has the approval of the Novus Ordo hierarchy makes it even more suspicious, not less so. Also there are question marks over La Salette and Garabandal. Medjugorje, as you correctly point out, is absolutely false.

        If you would associate any Marian apparition with Fatima then there’s only one that fits the bill – Quito. What was predicted by Our Lady at Quito 400+ years ago for our time is precisely what we are witnessing in the Communist/Masonic destruction of the Christian family and ruination of the young.

        As for Communist persecution, it is very real for all of us in the West today. The threat of imprisonment is ever present for all who assert Christian teaching in opposition to “the culture of death”, as John Paul II called it, and that’s not to mention being silenced by every media outlet. Oh yes, the persecution is very real and set to get worse.

        August 1, 2020 at 11:03 pm
      • The Catholic of Honor

        Indeed. There is a persecution of a sort. My only point was that we should still be grateful that what we are witnessing (at least right now) is nothing compared to the Roman persecution. I haven’t heard of Garabandal. Again, we are not required to believe everything that’s approved nor disbelieve everything that isn’t approved. However, I’m doubtful that anything which the Vatican has kept secret all these years (such as Maxim’s half of the La Salette secret). What I generally raise an eyebrow at is anything that says everything will be fine. I never said any of these things is necessarily true, but if they are approved, we ought to at least pay attention to them.
        In some places, I am sure that people who assert Christian teaching are in danger of imprisonment—just not where I live, I guess.
        You say that the approval of the Novus Ordo hierarchy makes something suspicious. So, do you distrust anything that was approved after 1969?

        August 1, 2020 at 11:28 pm
      • Athanasius


        Yes, I distrust everything that was approved after 1969 unless it was approved following the same methods of investigation the Church used prior to the Council. I don’t necessarily disbelieve what is approved, I’m simply cautious and check the facts with a fine toothcomb. Frankly, if the hierarchy today told me it was raining outside I would go to the window and check!

        As regards the persecution of Christians, there are two methods: One is the relatively painful but quick death suffered by the martyrs, the other is the long drawn out spiritual, not to mention mental and emotional, torture of living in a post-Christian culture turned Marxist.

        August 2, 2020 at 3:45 am
      • The Catholic of Honor

        True. Still, as of yet, communism has not, as of yet, fully conquered the world (although it probably will, considering the Fatima message—although some people have a different interpretation of “errors of Russia”). If you do distrust everything post-Vatican 2, wouldn’t it also follow that you think ecclesiastical approval is irrelevant? In that case, it do you consider ecclesiastical approval irrelevant?

        August 2, 2020 at 1:31 pm
      • editor


        I think Athanasius has answered your question already – as long as the processes from before Vatican II are followed for the examination and approval of private revelations, then that should be fine. It is the introduction of “the new” everything that is a massive cause for concern. Pope Pius X said “Far, far from our priests be the love of novelty.”

        I’m not sure what you mean by “Communism has not as yet fully conquered the world”… If you’re waiting for tanks and soldiers to appear, that’s not how it works. A government politician who says “we’ve decided to ban people from entering each other’s homes…”

        Now, THAT’S how it works…

        August 2, 2020 at 3:42 pm
      • The Catholic of Honor

        Communism involves banning people from owning private property. I suppose totalitarianism could be said to have conquered the world. In some places in the western world, governments are trying to keep people from speaking out concerning parts of Christian morality which are not particularly…liked nowadays. We are in serious trouble. However, I was still able to post this for instance, at least for now. I’m not saying it isn’t bad, but it could be worse. That might be a bit of an optimistic way of looking at it, “it could always be worse”.

        So, you said someone claimed Akita wasn’t technically given approval. Is there anywhere you know that I might find the details? There was a pope who saw a vision of what he initially thought was our Blessed Mother. He then looked down, saw that her feet were not visible, and immediately saw it as a deception from the Devil. I should check the description to see if her feet were visible according to the nun’s description.

        August 2, 2020 at 4:09 pm
      • Athanasius


        I think your understanding of Communism is fundamentally flawed. What you describe is the Communist model of the former USSR and of present day North Korea, but Communism is enormously adaptable and consequently manifests in different forms, such as the cultural Marxism that has conquered almost the entire former Christian West in our time, including America, which is why Trump is so despised by the deep State.

        You should bear in mind that the financiers of Communism were/are the international banks, and some of the most treacherous agents of Communism within countries are the wealthy who have been privately educated and raised with the silver spoon. You don’t think that a bit odd for an ideology that says people shouldn’t own property?

        The way to identify Communism in any of its forms is by the stench of aggressive government atheism and immorality that emanate from it. Whatever political form it may take, it cannot disguise that stench of Hell it brings in its train. Every country that adopts Communism, Marxist, Socialism, Liberalism or any other associated “ism” of this multi-facetted evil, will inevitably end in spiritual, moral and financial bankruptcy. That’s why we know today that Communism is the superior force in every land, we see it by its fruit.

        The smiling assassin is more deadly than the aggressive bear!

        August 2, 2020 at 7:09 pm
      • The Catholic of Honor

        I think that’s totalitarianism in general, which, granted could be the error of Russia our Lady was talking about. Communism usually includes no one being able to own private property, making the government the only people who are really rich. It’s not so much the ideology that no one should own private property in practise as the ideology as the ideology of selfishness. The government people want all the money for themselves so that they take everything from everyone else in the name of helping people. There is definitely an evil ideology conquering the West.

        August 2, 2020 at 8:33 pm

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