Priest on Scandal of Denying The One True Religion: Outstanding Interview

Priest on Scandal of Denying The One True Religion: Outstanding Interview


Fr David Sherry is an Irish priest of the Society of St Pius X (SSPX) who served in Scotland for a year before he was re-assigned to Canada.  We have very happy memories of him in Glasgow – indeed, one of my Great-Nephews received his First Holy Communion from Fr Sherry, with a photograph on their fridge as a permanent reminder! 

Topics for discussion in the above lengthy interview with Fr Sherry of the SSPX, include: 

1. What is the SSPX
2. Who was [Archbishop] Lefebvre
3. Was he guilty of a schismatic act when he ordained 4 bishops or was it necessary due to a state of emergency?
4. Does the Vatican allow Catholics to attend SSPX masses to fulfil their Sunday obligation?
5. Is the status of the SSPX currently canonically irregular or schismatic?
6. Will there be an agreement with the Vatican soon, in your estimation?
7. What are some of the problems with Vatican II?
8. What are your thoughts on the Pachamama ceremony in the Vatican Gardens?
9. Is the Novus Ordo valid?
10. What should a Catholic do if an SSPX chapel is not available near them?

Share your thoughts on Father’s very clear explanation of the work of the Society in the context of the current unprecedented crisis in the Church.  What possible reason can anyone offer for continuing to avoid the SSPX Masses/Sacraments in this worsening time of trial within the Church? 

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Comments (43)

  • Miles Immaculatae

    In regards to question 8, Pachamama etc. Why were neo-Conservative Catholics critical of Pope Francis when they refuse to criticise, or even acknowledge, John Paul II’s involvement in Assisi. Wasn’t Assisi worse that the recent Vatican gardens blasphemy and sacrilege? Was a Buddha placed upon the tabernacle in the Basilica and incensed? Or this is false?

    May 5, 2020 at 7:54 pm
    • Josephine

      Miles Immaculatae,

      You maybe haven’t watched the video yet – Father Sherry did mention Assisi, more than once.

      May 5, 2020 at 8:57 pm
    • Athanasius

      Miles Immaculatae

      It wasn’t just the scandal of a Buddha placed atop a tabernacle in Assisi, there was the worse scandal of a sacrificial slaughtering of chickens on a Catholic altar by some pagan group or other. It was horrendously sacrilegious and blasphemous. When all the different religions gathered for a second time at John Paul’s behest (can’t remember the year), all the crucifixes in the monastery rooms where they would stay were taken down. Talk about being ashamed of Our Lord!

      May 5, 2020 at 9:25 pm
    • Michaela

      Miles Immaculatae,

      That was back in the 80s when the penny had yet to drop.

      If you watch that stupendous interview above, you will see how calm and tolerant that priest is about the history of this crisis.

      He says his own parents took years to come to the point of leaving the novus ordo – that’s not unusual. When you are brought up to revere the pope etc you don’t always see right away when something is this wrong.

      Also, not everyone would have known about the Assisi meeting, not the first one anyway. And it was presented as something good, remember and people would be thinking that it was meant to bring people into the Church.

      We’re very lucky to have the information we have to make us aware. It’s been a special grace, IMHO, to be able to see clearly through this crisis.

      May 5, 2020 at 10:34 pm
      • Fidelis


        That was one thing that made a strong impression on me, about his own family taking so long, years, to make the move from the novus ordo to the traditional faith. That has obviously made him a very understanding priest. Thank God for him.

        May 6, 2020 at 2:56 pm
      • Miles Immaculatae

        It’s difficult for me to appreciate what things were like before so much information was available on the internet, because I am only 30. I think the internet is an amazing tool for bringing people to tradition. I am lucky I grew up when I did. Had I been born 20 years earlier it’s probably I would have gone along with the Novus Ordo for much longer than I did.

        May 6, 2020 at 8:03 pm
  • Josephine

    I’ve just finished watching that video and it was truly superb. I was riveted. I had to stop half-way to do other things but couldn’t wait to get back to it.

    Father Sherry covered just about everything imaginable and he is a born teacher. He knows how to explain the most difficult things in the simplest of language. I wish there were more priests like him. Half a dozen priests like him in every Scottish diocese and the country would be totally transformed.

    May 5, 2020 at 8:56 pm
    • editor


      That was always a feature of Fr Sherry’s sermons – his ability to make the most profound teachings simple, easier to understand, and to contextualise them in the world of today. Never anything “highbrow” … The hallmark of the truly educated person is the ability to make concepts, doctrines etc readily understood by everyone. He is, as you say, a born teacher. Like this minister…

      May 6, 2020 at 7:23 pm
  • Lily

    I so agree! What a fantastic interview.

    I learned so much in that interview, about so many aspects of the faith – a great priest.

    Josephine says if every diocese had six priests like him – I would say even just one or two and the place would be transformed.

    He explained everything so clearly – not just the SSPX position (and I don’t see how anybody could possibly think the Society in schism after watching that) but more – including the Orthodox and the martyrdom of non-Catholics. These are things I’ve never heard explained before. A truly wonderful interview. God bless that priest. He’s a credit to his family and to the SSPX. I wonder how many more like Fr Sherry they have hiding in the wings!

    May 5, 2020 at 9:14 pm
  • crofterlady

    Absolutely fantastic. How I wish we had a few priests like him! I’ll listen to it again and again and that’s for sure.

    May 5, 2020 at 10:23 pm
    • Michaela


      I agree, totally, That video is all anyone needs to point a doubting Thomas to, if they don’t know where to go for a Traditional Latin Mass. Father answers so many questions in that one interview, including it’s not just the Mass but the whole faith, and really, apart from the SSPX where can that be found these days?

      It didn’t seem like two hours watching it, the time flew by. I was actually disappointed when it ended!

      May 5, 2020 at 10:36 pm
    • Margaret Mary


      “Absolutely fantastic” were my own words after watching that interview. It was just jam packed with factual information and clear explanations about tricky subjects. Thank God there are still a few good priests out there.

      May 6, 2020 at 5:11 pm
    • Miles Immaculatae

      He’s probably quite a humble man and might not like to perform in front of the camera much. But I hope he does more videos, on more topics. I would certainly listen to them.

      May 6, 2020 at 7:58 pm
  • Helen

    What an amazing interview. I didn’t know the half of that. This priest is truly inspiring.. I wish he had been assigned to the UK Provence. What a waste to send him to Canada when we need the likes of him over here and they have loads of priests over there!

    May 5, 2020 at 11:04 pm
    • Fidelis


      He said in the video that he’d been to Britain before going to Canada, and it says in the introduction (by editor) that he’s served in Scotland. He can’t have been here that long, though, or word would have spread and their church would have been packed out, LOL!

      May 6, 2020 at 2:57 pm
      • editor


        More’s the pity, you are right – I think it was only for a year that we had Fr Sherry. He was a very sound priest and very supportive of lay apostolic activity.

        With our then Prior, he attended our Fatima Conference, at which Fr Gruner spoke, and then, when Pope Benedict came to Glasgow, he was willing to join our distribution of Fatima material outside the park where the Pope was saying Mass and speaking. I say he was “willing” because he was unable to join us, due to other commitments: his response when invited was that he would just LOVE to be there, but had another commitment(s) which made it impossible. Reminded me of St Therese of Lisieux who once said that in having to refuse a request, we can make it seem better than if we were able to accept. I tried it at home but, in the end, I had to do the housework 😀

        Our then Prior did join us at the Pope Benedict event. He was well appreciated by the passers-by on the street – our Prior, I mean, not Pope Benedict 😀 Seeing a priest wearing his cassock in public, drew the people like a magnet.

        Anyway, I didn’t mean to ramble on so I will stop rambling on…

        May 6, 2020 at 7:10 pm
      • Miles Immaculatae

        I had stopped coming to the chapel in Glasgow at that time, which is very sad, because I would like to have met Father Sherry and listened to his sermons. His support of the lay apostolate is very impressive.

        May 6, 2020 at 7:54 pm
    • Miles Immaculatae

      Another society priest I liked whom we had in Glasgow was likewise sent to Canada! It seems to be a thing.

      May 6, 2020 at 7:56 pm
      • Lily

        Miles Immaculatae,

        You mean they say “O you met Miles Immaculatae? Time you went to Canada”? LOL!

        I’m joking, of course, I know what you mean.

        May 6, 2020 at 8:11 pm
  • editor

    I’m so pleased that so many of you have watched the video already – it really is a spectacular interview.

    It’s the first time we’ve ever posted a video of that length but it is definitely worth every minute.

    So, to those of you who have not yet watched – I strongly urge you so to do. Especially anyone who still harbours reservations about the legitimacy of attending SSPX Masses. The explanation on this point – as on many others – is crystal clear. In fact, no crystal was ever this clear 😀

    However, there’s a lot more to the interview than the status of the SSPX. Indeed, I can think of Conferences where the attendees had to fork out [lots of] good ticket money to hear a speaker only half as educated in the Faith, as Father Sherry. So, don’t miss it, folks.

    May 5, 2020 at 11:05 pm
  • Nicky

    That was a really excellent interview.

    I have never been able to understand the whole Orthodox Church thing, and how we can receive the sacraments from them although their schismatic, so that cleared that up for me.

    I’d like to listen to it all again; although it’s much longer than I would usually sit and watch a video for, it’s definitely time well spent.

    He has obviously been well educated in the seminary, so the diocesan seminary rectors could learn something from the SSPX there.

    May 6, 2020 at 2:04 pm
    • Margaret Mary


      If you’ve ever read a book called Goodbye, Good Men, you’ll know that the diocesan seminaries are finished. Their days of learning from the SSPX or any other traditional society are over. There’s not even one seminary left in Scotland. What is described in Goodbye, Good Men is recognisable in reports about the Scotus seminary in Glasgow where they used to have a naked man in the shape of a cross hanging over their altar table in the seminary chapel.

      May 6, 2020 at 5:08 pm
      • editor


        I’ve read Goodbye, Good Men by Michael S. Rose and by all accounts what it describes was not (and who knows may be still not) uncommon in diocesan seminaries and even religious houses. Totally shocking.

        And we reported more than once on the Glasgow seminary, Scotus, with, as you say, that appalling, scandalous human “crucifix”. We commented that it was outrageous to expect students to pray in that chapel with that pornographic image in front of them.

        With standards so low, it’s no surprise that the seminaries in Scotland, one after another, closed their doors for good. Now, we’re left without a single seminary on Scottish soil and before someone comes on to “correct” us an remind us that we still have the Scots college in Rome, allow me to say… yeah right. This, recall, is the seminary where the best the students could come up with to present as a gift to the Pope, was a bottle of whisky. Minds and hearts on higher things? I think not.

        Shows you what they are learning in Philosophy class…

        May 6, 2020 at 6:55 pm
      • RCAVictor


        That was indeed a powerful and shocking expose of the corrupt state of the modern Church. Sadly, Michael Rose, having been apparently overpowered by the stench of corruption, is now a sedevacantist.

        May 6, 2020 at 9:07 pm
      • editor

        RCA Victor,

        That’s dreadful – I had no idea. Is there just NO sanity left? Rhetorical question!

        May 6, 2020 at 9:26 pm
    • Miles Immaculatae

      The tragedy is there there are plenty of men like Father Sherry who would have become priests, had they not been driven out of seminary.

      May 6, 2020 at 7:52 pm
      • Graham

        I myself was driven out !

        Editor: Graham, I’ve taken the liberty of removing your surname, to protect your identity (obviously!) I strongly recommend that you keep details relating to your identity and experience to a minimum here.

        May 6, 2020 at 9:10 pm
      • Miles Immaculatae

        I know a man who was driven out, and this was only a few years ago. Whatever happened to him there was very traumatising, because he has subsequently lost the faith altogether.

        May 6, 2020 at 9:37 pm
      • editor

        Miles Immaculatae,

        I can never understand why people let ANYTHING cause them to abandon the Faith.

        Right from the get-go, the Church was revealed to us as both “human” and “divine”.

        Our Lord Himself was betrayed by one of the first apostles. That should be a reminder to us, through everything that happens, that, no matter what, Christ cannot be found in His fullness outside of His Church.

        There are good and bad people within the Church- there are even idiots who should be given Idiocy Awards. No question about it. But none of them should ever drive us out of the Church.

        I know some people reading this will say “that’s easy for her to say” but it’s the elementary truth – not a deep insight ! Either Christ gave us the Church as necessary for our salvation or He did not. If He did, then everything else melts into insignificance by comparison.

        Our Lady told St Bernadette at Lourdes that she could not promise Bernadette happiness in this world.. That warning mirrors Our Lord’s own warning that to follow Him means taking up our cross every day. It’s not easy – not at all: on the contrary, it is very hard indeed and I’m sure we all fall short of carrying our crosses with the spirit of faith necessary to truly please God, but that was the deal…

        May 6, 2020 at 11:05 pm
      • Miles Immaculatae

        Hopefully he is just having a spiritual crisis and will return to the Faith.

        May 6, 2020 at 11:39 pm
      • Graham

        I didn’t think! I will just go by my Christian name. Thank you.

        May 6, 2020 at 9:59 pm
  • Nicky

    I went into the link to the St Peter’s site and watched the video about Queen Esther and Our Lady, which was given by another priest. I went through to watch it on YouTube thinking it would give the name of the priest but it’s not given. Whoever he is, this is another excellent video – not an interview, just the telling of the story of the Old Testament Queen Esther but it’s brilliant. I copied the link on YouTube in case anyone else wants to see it. There’s another one by the same priest on St Catherine of Siena which I’ll watch another time. That site is a very good mixture of knowledge about the faith and SSPX (Fr David Sherry video) and the other two (I’m assuming the one about St Catherine will be as spiritually rich as the one about Queen Esther).

    May 6, 2020 at 2:44 pm
    • Margaret Mary


      I watched that, as well. It’s a lovely story about Queen Esther, and it’s told cleverly by the priest explaining how she connects with Our Lady.

      This is the Feast of St Dominic Savio, so this would be a good day to send that video to any young Catholic boys we know to inspire their faith. I always think, if a boy has a devotion to Our Lady early in his life, he won’t go far astray.

      May 6, 2020 at 5:14 pm
      • Nicky

        Margaret Mary,

        That’s a good point about today being the feast of St Dominic Savio – I hadn’t realised that. I agree that if a boy has devotion to our Blessed Lady, then he will be unlikely to go astray.

        May 6, 2020 at 8:15 pm
    • editor


      Thank you for that – I had intended to watch the other two videos later, but seeing it here was irresistible. It’s a lovely video so thank you for posting it.

      May 6, 2020 at 7:13 pm
  • Miles Immaculatae

    He’s certainly the SSPX’s best apologist (that I have listened to). He was not polemical at all, and not at all boring. I would love for him to do a video interview with Taylor Marshall.

    May 6, 2020 at 7:47 pm
    • Lily

      Miles Immaculatae,

      Is Taylor Marshall not opposed to the SSPX?

      Of course, if he is, then Fr Sherry would soon convince him otherwise!

      May 6, 2020 at 8:13 pm
      • Miles Immaculatae

        No he is not opposed to the society. He now supports the SSPX. He even had an American SSPX priest in one of his videos. To my knowledge Marshall has never criticised the society in the shrill and embittered way that Michael Voris does.

        May 6, 2020 at 9:35 pm
      • editor

        Miles Immaculatae,

        Glad to know that. I think Taylor Marshall sounds like one of the “good guys” as they say in the USA.

        May 6, 2020 at 11:08 pm
      • gabriel syme


        As Miles said, Dr Marshall is now an ally of the Society. He recently praised the SSPX for being the sole source of the sacraments for his family during this social upheaval.

        Marshall is an Anglican convert; he found his way to the traditional mass after the experience of receiving Holy Communion from a lay EMHC who was wearing a top featuring a huge image of the face of Grover from Sesame Street.

        Compared to even just a few years ago, I think it is amazing to see how mainsteram Catholic commentators like Dr Marshall / Father Z now actively defend the SSPX.

        May 12, 2020 at 11:13 pm
      • RCAVictor


        Did someone post not long ago that Dr. Marshall thinks the Consecration has been done?

        May 12, 2020 at 11:45 pm
  • Graham

    I’ve only watched 25 minutes and I’m very impressed with this priest.

    May 6, 2020 at 10:59 pm
    • editor


      Keep watching – it just gets better and better!

      May 6, 2020 at 11:07 pm

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