Coronavirus Cure: Should Catholics Refuse Forced or Unethical Vaccine?editor
A reader emailed over the weekend to express concerns about the possibility of a vaccine being produced using material from aborted babies, and she included the following extract from an email reply from an SSPX priest, to an enquiry about this subject [note: she was not the immediate recipient of the email from the priest, but a friend forwarded it to her, and she sent it on to me…]:
“…Voluntarily using a vaccine made from aborted babies is a material, remote cooperation in an abortion. The principle of double effect shows that this is a grave sin…” [A priest of the Society of St Pius X – SSPX]
On those grounds, then, that we would be co-operating in abortion, Catholics should, surely, refuse the vaccine if it has been made using material from aborted babies.
There are other issues, too, arising from the possibility of the Government requiring or forcing us to have the vaccine…
The following extract from The New American examines this issue. While referring to America, its thesis is also applicable to the UK:
Conditioning, Then Control
A first step toward implementing a vaccine-based ID scheme is conditioning people to accept the idea that they will need to prove their vaccination and health status before being allowed by government to engage in any activities that, heretofore, were exercised without restriction by a free people. This is perfect for the age of COVID-19, when mainstream media organs and government “experts” have worked overtime to instill extreme levels of fear into the American people, forcing them into what amounts to house arrest to fight the “war” on the virus. Now, to regain freedom, it has been suggested that people will need to prove that they have gained immunity to the virus. To this end, Anthony Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and a key member of the Trump administration’s coronavirus task force, admitted that the federal government is considering forcing citizens to use coronavirus immunity cards.
“You know, that’s possible,” Fauci told CNN. “I mean, it’s one of those things that we talk about when we want to make sure that we know who the vulnerable people are and [are] not,” he continued. “This is something that’s being discussed. I think it might actually have some merit, under certain circumstances.” Click here to read entire article
Share your thoughts about whether or not you would (a) accept a vaccine made from material taken from aborted babies, despite clear Catholic teaching about the immorality of doing so and (b) whether or not you would refuse a forced vaccine – that is, if the Government requires us to take the vaccine and/or decides to link having the vaccine with our freedom to engage in previously unrestricted activities.
Finally, if there are statements from any UK bishops – or from Pope Francis – on the concerns surrounding the ethics of a Coronavirus vaccine, please let us know in the comments below. So far, the US Bishop in the video above seems to be the only one expressing concerns on the record – in other words, he seems to be the only Bishop proclaiming Catholic morality in the matter of the proposed vaccination programme. If that changes, let’s record it for posterity. Not that posterity has ever done anything for us 😀
I don’t need to watch any video or read any article, I’m not going to accept any vaccine, whatsoever. If that means going without the freedom to take books out of the library, so be it.
I will watch the video and read the whole article, but I’d already made my mind up. No way!
Something that’s not mentioned in the intro is the danger of having some kind of chip inserted via the vaccine, so we can be tracked, put under surveillance. No way am I risking that.
I am naturally suspicious of vaccines anyway, I don’t like them, maybe they are needed if going to some highly infectious part of the world, but for ordinary flu etc. I don’t see the need and Covid-19 is just a particularly bad strain of flu. Vaccines have done huge damage, caused autism, for example, so I am very suspicious of them, as I say. I’m not going to be vaccinated, end of story.
I’ve not heard any mention of a chip being used in the prospective vaccine, but any Government official following me around will soon be bored out of his mind 😀
I worked as a contract accountant (a “temp”) for a while. An agency offered me a job at an NHS Hospital research building. On checking what they did I realised that they were almost certainly using aborted babies in their stem cell researches. I turned the job down.
The use of stem cells from dead babies came to attract attention in respect of Christopher Reeve (Superman). He promoted and funded research in the hope of finding a fix for his quadriplegia, which was the result of a spinal injury incurred in a riding accident. Stem cells are used in lots of research areas. We cannot stop this. It is likely that cures may be found for a number of conditions. Sick Catholics may have a serious moral choice in the future, take the cure for MS or whatever and commit mortal sin, or die after protracted suffering snd misery.
Take immoral vaccine or take the consequences
(There is no shortage of dead babies, around 30 a week in Scotland. Plenty of research material. Doctors and ethics? Not in the same sentence.)
That’s an awful choice… a cure or eternal (terrible) consequences.
Given the decline in Catholic Faith and practice, it’s terrifying to think of the likely majority opinion…
I’m absolutely opposed to a vaccine being imposed.
It goes without saying that no Catholic can accept a vaccine which has aborted foetus tissue in it, so that’s a no-brainer.
But I don’t want the vaccine in any case.
I’m not sure I believe the bit about a chip being inserted, but I’m opposed to vaccines because too often they have been dangerous and caused disability. Aside from which I don’t want to be told by any Government what medicines I need to take.
You make an important point about the side effects of vaccines.
Here’s some feedback on the rushed Swine Flu vaccine back in 2009
That Robert Kennedy, Jr. video someone posted on another thread about this topic included a lot of information about how Big Pharma, in order to avoid numerous expensive lawsuits over their toxic and harmful vaccines, got legislation passed in the USA making them immune (no pun intended) from lawsuits!
Which means there’s a “For Sale” sign in front of our Congress, and I suspect one in front of Scotland’s Parliament (and the UK) as well.
I’d like to play Devil’s Advocate if I may.
I can’t argue against the Church’s teaching on using material from aborted children for vaccines, that is a given.
However, if there is a serious health risk and maybe a sizeable number of people in the country would not take a vaccine,an ethical vaccine, i.e. not using foetal tissue, surely we would be obliged to obey the government and take the vaccine?
I’m also a bit sceptical about the chip being inserted, but some people would argue that if you’ve got nothing to hide, why would it bother us?
I’m like a lot of people who are trying to tie up the loose ends in coming to a decision in good conscience about this, so all views are welcome.
Of course you may. Well, let us consider the nature of government. Is it a control mechanism imposed on us?
Is it a collection of people elected by us to do our will?
Do either require our obedience?
To what extent is it acceptable to refuse to co-operate with the decision of a democratic vote? (Why did the Scottish Government try to prevent the enactment of the overwhelming vote of he British people?)
Our conscience is paramount in making decisions, and we require to be fully informed. It is now normal that the full facts are not disclosed. So decisions involving conscience are perforce made in the absence of the facts.
We are now driven by what is the modern equivalent of the lynch mob. Dissent is deleted. Dissenters are silenced. Simply because they dissent. It is not based on truth or reality.
If you wish to see into reality, look at “Operation Cerrar”.
We are pretty well at the point where the agents of the Adversary are in control.
I agree entirely. My answer to Fidelis is that in the absence of full information and genuine risk to society vaccines must always remain optional, not mandatory. I will never take a vaccine for anything because I don’t want chemicals injected into me, which have side effects, sometimes serious ones. No, I’ll stick with natural remedies and standard, proven medications I can trust.
You are so right about us not being given the full facts.
I watched the (dreadful) BBC (Biased British Corporation) which I seldom do these days, but today I saw the BBC reporting on the news that President Trump had announced at a briefing that he has been taking the drug hydroxychloroquine. Shock horror! The President was painted in the worst possible light. Reckless, dangerous. The BBC even played a clip from Fox News where the news anchor was announcing this minutes after the President had spoken, saying to the viewing American public “don’t take this! It’s deadly!” blah blah. BBC reporter keen to point out that Fox is usually supportive of the President (although they never quote Fox – ever! If YOU trust the BBC I’ve a bridge over the Clyde I’d like to sell you…)
If the Fox newsman had only waited until the President had finished his sentences on the matter, he would have heard one of those present asking POTUS if he’d been prescribed the drug by a doctor, to which the President answered honestly that no, not prescribed, but he’d asked the White House doctor if it would be safe to take, and the doctor said, yes, that if the President wanted to take it, fine.
Now, that part of the President’s exchange has not been published here, to the best of my knowledge. What the news outlets here do, is put the President in the worst possible light at every opportunity, blatantly making their opinion known through their facial expressions, head shaking etc. and then leave it there. No corrections, no amendments, no, “Oh, I should have added…”
So, you are spot on there – we are NOT being given the full facts, not permitted to listen to dissenting voices, which is why the majority of the population just do not have the proverbial clue. They believe the propaganda and are sleepwalking into totalitarianism.
It was laughable, for example, to watch Glen Whatsisname on the local BBC Scotland news this evening, ever so seriously telling us that the Scottish Government, under Nicola Sturgeon, is the most cautious of all “four nations” – she’s taking her time before easing lockdown, aka she is the best leader.
Nobody will have seen her ditch for votes – for what it was this morning – when she said that she was pleased to report the latest polls showing that the public is mostly behind her over lockdown restrictions and easing… she was so serious when explaining that she is only mentioning this to show us all that she wants to take us all with her, and that’s why she wanted to check the polls.
To think that the numpties who will be going around saying what a great First Minister she is, more cautious than the other leaders, blah blah. A conwoman? Nicola? Nooooooo!
Yes, the agents of the Adversary ARE in control. You are right.
Agree about the “given” – definitely.
However, I have to disagree with you about the right of the Government to impose a vaccine.
We heard the Scottish Government repeat, ad nauseam, that Scotland didn’t vote to leave the EU (even though over a million of us did exactly that) and so my question to any politician who favours a forced vaccination programme would be “show me where that’s to be found in your manifesto?”
And again, regarding the possibility of a “chip” being included in the vaccine (assuming it’s not of the fish & chips variety, which I’d be happy to accept 😀 ) is, thanks but no thanks. it’s not about “having nothing to hide” – it’s about authoritarianism.
I’ll decide if I choose to have a surveillance tool inserted into my body, just as I’ll decide if I want to cover up my good looks with a face mask. Yeah right!
It’s really about whether we wish to live in a police state such as China or if we do not. I do not.
Editor (and others who replied to me on this)
I see all your points but nobody has really addressed my point about, what if there is a serious health risk and maybe a sizeable number of people in the country would not take an ethical vaccine, would we not be obliged then to obey the government and take the vaccine? I don’t like vaccines myself at any time but if there is going to be a worse outbreak and there is an ethical vaccine available, and the government were making it mandatory, surely we would be obliged, for the greater good, to take the vaccine?
No, we would not be obliged to take the vaccine because it will NOT be ethical, it will be a tool of the NWO, ie the Mark of the Beast. It is called Luciferase, and its patent number is 060606. We must read the signs of the times; they are written in 6ft letters.
In addition, even if it were to be an “ethical” vaccine (whatever that means) there is ample evidence to prove that many vaccines have caused severe damage and also killed lots of people. Of course if you have a vaccine that has not been produced by using foetal cells, but only animal cells(!), you have the choice of taking the risk of having it.
The argument that “if you’ve got nothing to hide why not… etc” is specious, and is used by totalitarian states to control the masses.
Thanks for your answer. I went to look for that patent number and found some interesting links, but I was most interested in the one I’m going to post because it is obviously a pro-China site – that is clear at the very end of the article. It’s also not into conspiracy theories.
I’m inclined to think, after reading it, that there can’t actually be an ethical vaccine.
I still wonder though if, in the question of obedience to the State in a matter of something we might not like, could be a matter of conscience or if we would have to obey.
I checked your link and then searched a while and found this one which rubbishes the idea of a chip being inserted but I find the “device” suggestion more likely, given that we all tend to have iphones these days.
The good news is that we know the Russian Consecration come come to put an end to all of the wheelings and dealings of corrupt politicians, even though it’ll be late. If only it would happen before the vaccine comes along!
typo- “come come” is meant to be “will come”.
No, Your Excellency, “we don’t all want a vaccine”! What is this but surrendering to the police state while saying “But…but…it’s unethical!” as you are carted off for your shot?
Nor do I think we can be obliged to take a vaccine for a disease which has not even been clearly identified, as previous videos have repeatedly pointed out. The vaccine is for nefarious purposes, to implement the depraved agenda of the globalist Satanists; therefore it is a crime against humanity, and against both God’s law and natural law.
I’ve posted this link not too long ago, but I can’t remember where. If it comes to force-vaccination, then:
That’s an interesting link – I’ll need time to study it but I’m already looking to buy a cold pack !
If Boris is discussing Vaccines with Bill & Melinda Gates then I can see “Covid 19” Jabs being made compulsory and forced quarantine if you are not compliant. We may not have a choice!
I know Michael Gove has recruited thousands of ‘contact tracers,’ all the ominous signs are there and look what is happening in the US.
I also note from the news tonight, though I don’t watch it often, that the Chancellor is already talking of a massive economic recession in the UK. You have to laugh at these people, the deliberately collapse the economy and then act as though it happened all by itself. They should all be taken by the scruff of the neck and thrown out of office into the street. We need a new kind of politics in the UK to rid our country of these NWO types.
How horrific all of this is …it isnt enough for Boris and Matt Hancock to change the evil 1967 Abortion Act for even mors infant bloodlust ….but this time a do it yourself backstreet type of one in your own home ….how will a 13 y o cope with this I wonder the lies and pressure put by the Abortionists is unbelievable ……now we learn that Covid vaccine will contain aborted babies in yet another ghoulish experiment of anti population anti life addicts …….How can we trust anyone …..?……..it really is the stuff of nightmares
The recession is set up to make people desperate for a vaccine (that Bill Gates has already) and if someone refuses, they will be perceived as an enemy of the state. Here is Bill Gates ‘stooge’ and Lawyer Alan Deshowitz, making it clear that forced vaccinations will be the order of the day.
Well, that’s about as clear as it gets. Take the vaccine – or what?
It will be a case of certifying those who have had the vaccine so that they can work, etc. Those without certification will not find employment. I think this is the road they’re going down. Very evil people!
This is a long article, but the best I’ve seen to date, on this “plan-demic” and the ghouls behind the curtain. Starts off with a powerful quote from CS Lewis and keeps on rolling:
The video at the top of that article isn’t working – it keeps replaying the ad. I gave up in the end. The CS Lewis quote is powerful, as you say, and I’ll read the rest of the article later.
I don’t see a video at the top of the article. Are you referring to the picture of Bill Gates?
Mystery solved – I just paid another visit and there is a different video there, this time it’s about Trump and that drug but it’s headed “Recommended video”… So, just another ad. And it wasn’t there the first time I went back in after reading your question. It’s right under the CS Lewis quote, not the Bill Gates photo, but it seems to come and go and is only an ad of some kind.
While I’m here, though, I’m posting a link to a Lifesitenews petition against forced vaccination. I’ve signed and recommend that we all sign…
Thank you, Editor, I’ve signed. Interesting to watch the signature numbers go up – they are doing so quite rapidly, having now reached 459,000! (the total is continually updated)
Petition signed and RCA Victor’s article link was excellent.
Interestingly I remember reading the story of Dr Bing Liu’s violent death and the timing certainly raised an eyebrow. My thinking is Dr. James Taylor and Dr. Bing Liu would have the skills to quickly help find a possible vaccine, This would interrupt the NWO’s timing of taking control of a planet in chaos, canceling out the tracers (brown shirts), eventual forced vaccinations, forced quarantine rules and the establishment of total control by the UN/WHO (New World Order). I can’t help thinking Bill Gates is sitting on a vaccine and waiting for the right time to save the world!
One thing is for sure, people are catching on to what Bill Gates represents and even ‘The Vortex’ has a piece on him ( see link below). People are catching on to Bill except in the UK where our leader Boris Johnson seems to be entrusting the health of the citizens to this monster. I think Jacob Rees Mogg should start a vote of no confidence in our leader and have Boris committed.
Well, I’m definitely no fan of CM / Michael Voris, but I have to admit two things here:
1) that is an excellent expose of Bill & Melinda Gates and their evil vaccine work
2) I like Michael’s new hairdo. Yes, I do – I much prefer it to the old style – a big improvement… 😀
Signed, Wendy. Thank you for posting.
Matt Hancock has refused to rule out forced vaccination
I can’t see how they can enforce it, unless there is some form of certification required as someone mentioned before, that we need to produce to access GP services etc. That would be a total disgrace.
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