Scots Priest Responds To Minnesota Bishops’ Decision To Re-open Churches…
Editor writes …
We are blessed in Scotland to have a few sound, traditional-leaning priests, including some who offer the traditional Latin Mass, across the Scottish dioceses. One of these priests has written to the Bishops in Minnesota to thank them for their decision to re-open the churches in their dioceses in defiance of a state order. Father is willing to have his name published – in fact, he was initially emphatic that I should do so – but I decided to withhold his name for reasons of prudence, not least because lay people who have approached the Scottish Bishops with pleas to re-open the churches, have not exactly received a sympathetic hearing. This from a reliable source: “I’ve heard, via several sources, that anyone who publicly, via social media, e-mail, letter or otherwise, dares to question the actions and decisions of the Scottish Bishops, gets subtly or at times aggressively pressured into keeping quiet. I understand that many hundreds of people have been in touch to express their deep concerns and to ask for an immediate reopening of Churches.
Thus, better not to risk any episcopal retribution just yet. The day is coming, fast enough, when we will all have to be prepared to stand up and be counted, with not even a courtesy nod to human respect. For now, though, we give thanks that we do have some priests who are doing their best to keep the Faith alive at this trying time, and at least one who is prepared to speak out. Below, Father’s letter to the Bishops in Minnesota…
Letter from Scots Priest…
Dear Archbishop Bernard and all Bishops in Minnesota,
Thank you, God Bless you, may the Holy Ghost continue to guide you and lead you for the benefit of the Body of Christ in Minnesota, and I believe, the world, for the feeding of the “sheep”, with the Sacraments/return to public celebration, and so again enabling souls to be nourished by the primary means of their salvation, the Sacraments.
Sadly, most of the shepherds have run from the gate with this wolf/fear driven deceit of the world, and gone along with the powers of the world. By doing so they are treating the Catholic Church and its members as an institution rather than the Body of Christ.
Sorry to be critical, but these Bishops have have failed in their duty to declare themselves for Christ in the presence of men, and so look after their flock.
The re-opening of your Catholic churches in the way you are doing is what is needed, is truly for the benefit of your flocks and, I hope and pray the world, and hopefully will bring other Bishops back to the Truth of how they should be shepherding their flocks.
God Bless you all.
Will be keeping you in my daily prayers.
[Name etc]
Comments invited…
Comments (78)
“I’ve heard, via several sources, that anyone who publicly, via social media, e-mail, letter or otherwise, dares to question the actions and decisions of the Scottish Bishops, gets subtly or at times aggressively pressured into keeping quiet.”
My my, what a coincidence: the liberal Catholic bishops of Scotland are no different from liberal politicians: when one disagrees with them with facts, with truth, with common sense, one is suppressed. This has been going on ever since Vatican II: faithful priests are persecuted, conformist and corrupt priests are rewarded. The persecution of priests, in fact, frequently takes the form of being sent to a psychiatric unit. Just ask Father Kalchik in Chicago, after he burned a rainbow flag a couple of years ago, stored in his parish and hung behind the altar by the former PP, who passed away while hooked up to a sex machine. Father was threatened with being carted away to St. Luke’s, psychiatric home for “rigid” priests, but he refused and is now in hiding.
The “Les Femmes” blog has an entire section on persecuted priests: http://www.lesfemmes-thetruth.org/persecuted_priest.htm
One of the bright spots during this scam-demic is that people are waking up to the true nature of liberalism: it is merely the outer court, if you will, of totalitarianism. And it doesn’t take much, apparently, to pull off the “benevolent” masks of those who practice it. When you think of the Scottish bishops, therefore, think of the censorship of Facebook, YouTube/Google, Twitter and Instagram.
YOU HAVE VIOLATED OUR COMMUNITY STANDARDS…YOUR ACCOUNT HAS BEEN SUSPENDED…
RCA Victor,
I remember that priest burning the rainbow flag but didn’t know they tried to send him to the infamous St Luke’s. That’s dreadful. And the way the PP was taken just made me shiver and think about Our Lord’s warning that we don’t know the day nor the hour when we’ll be called. My goodness, what a scandalous death.
Once the consecration of Russia has been done, all these upside down behaviours will be put right. As it stands, we’re seeing the warning of Isaiah that good will be made to look like evil, and evil good. The faithful priests are thought to be the bad ones and the bad ones are treated as if they are the best. No wonder Our Lady of Fatima was sent to warn us – otherwise, it would be all too easy to just lose faith.
Lily,
I believe that deceased priest was from the Cardinal Bernardin era in Chicago, which was as unsavory as it gets in the modern Church. He was a homosexual Satanist, and a crony of McCarrick, and he also appears in the abuse narrative of James Grein, who exposed McCarrick.
RCA Victor,
I remember Bernardin – I think I’m right in saying that he organised, while still alive, that there should be a “gay” choir at his funeral?
Nicky,
Yes, he arranged to have a “gay” choir sing at his funeral. What a depraved legacy.
I meant to say, also, thank you to this faithful priest. May God reward him!
Me, too – well done to that priest.
Well thank you to that faithful priest. I said on another thread that our PP is a good man. He continues to minister to his parishioners despite the iniquitous Bishops’ conference, God bless him.
I heard today that President Trump has ordered the governors of every US state to re-open places of worship.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/trump-deems-churches-essential-demands-governors-allow-them-to-reopen-immediately
May God bless him. Would that we had a leader like him!
I would also like to say a big thank you to a faithful priest, a man of God who puts the eternal welfare of souls before human respect and political overreach. There are not many priests, much less bishops, who are prepared to stand tall in a time of persecution like this, all too busy hiding at home in case they get arrested by the new Gestapo. Well, they have Our Lord to face at their judgment, who accepts no excuses and cannot be deceived by fake arguments about obeying the civil authorities when it is clear that those authorities are now acting contrary to the common good.
Athanasius,
I don’t remember which thread we were talking about your research into World Military Games funding, but here’s an update: go to Guidestar.org, set up an account, and search for:
1. Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation
2. Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation Trust (largest assets in this one)
3. Bill & Melinda Gates Medical Research Institute
And for each one, click on “Show Forms 990.” The most recent, however, are from 2017, so they may not have funded the WMG back then.
https://www.guidestar.org/
RCAVictor
Thanks for this, I’ll check it out. I’m now beginning to think that the information I read about Gates funding the Military Games was false, although I cannot remember where I read it. You’re probably right to suggest that there will be no smoking gun at the site you’ve linked given that the Military Games in question was in September last year, two years on from those accounts. Still, worth a nosey!
As Bishop Anthanasius Schneider said in his talk on Roman Life Forum yesterday,
“The unbelievable fact was that in the midst of this worldwide ban of the public Holy Mass, many bishops even before the government banned public worship, issued decrees by which they not only forbade the public celebration of Holy Mass, but of any other sacrament as well. By such anti-pastoral measures those bishops deprived the sheep from the spiritual food and strength which only the sacraments can provide. Instead of good shepherds those bishops converted into rigid public officials. Those bishops revealed themselves to be imbued with a naturalistic view, to care only for the temporal and bodily life, forgetting their primary and irreplaceable task to care for the eternal and spiritual life. They forgot the warning of Our Lord: “For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?” (Mt. 16:26). Bishops who not only did not care but directly prohibited their faithful access to the sacraments, especially to the sacrament of the Holy Eucharist and the sacrament of Penance, behaved themselves as fake shepherds, who seek their own advantage.”
A joy to see this Scottish priest one with Bishop Schneider who has been a fearless beacon of light in our Catholic Church in recent years.
God Bless them both.
Our Lady Of Guadalupe
Without wishing to sound like a Baptists, I say Amen to that!
Our Lady of Guadalupe,
On the bishops banning not only Mass, but “…any other sacrament as well”, that is truly shocking. A friend rang me today and made that very point. He still can’t believe that if he needed the Last Sacraments any time soon, he couldn’t get them. It’s beyond shocking, in fact.
I’m going to stick my neck out and say that if those bishops had any sense of what is waiting for them at judgment, they would not be refusing the last rites to dying souls. It’s really beyond shocking, as I say.
Deo Gratias!!
That’s great to know that a Scottish priest has written to the brave Minnesota bishops – bravo!
I have to be honest, though, and say that I am surprised to read that “many hundreds” of lay people wrote to the bishops or contacted them via social media etc to ask them to reopen the churches.. That really does surprise me, I didn’t think enough of them cared, TBH.
Fidelis,
That surprised me about the numbers writing to ask for the churches to be reopened. Wonders will never cease, so I’m thankful that so many did so. To their shame, though, the bishops are just ignoring those good people. What is going through their minds is anybody’s guess. If they think they can justify this before God, they need their heads looked.
Has anyone seen Fr. Linus Clovis’ talk at the just-completed Roman Forum? It’s very good:
https://lifesite.kartra.com/page/DAYTHREE
RCA Victor,
Many thanks for posting that link – I dipped into it just now, but didn’t get past the introduction. I’ll watch it properly tomorrow, God willing, as Father Clovis is very popular with us at Catholic Truth. He addressed one of our conferences a few short years ago, and it was a “not to miss” experience.
Some good news – the churches in France are set to re-open:
Coronavirus: French court orders ban on worship to end
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-52716729
Hopefully, we’ll follow suit in the near future…
Dear Editor, you clearly have a poor memory. Fr Clovis was a disaster at your conference. He recommended attending the New Mass and your former press secretary stood up and said he wasn’t at all impressed.
Editor: no, you clearly have a poor memory. Fr Clovis was a huge success at our conference. The feedback was superb. He did NOT recommend attending the New Mass, but in answer to a direct question about whether it was OK to attend the new Mass if there is no TLM available, he said “yes”. He’s a diocesan priest, what would you expect him to say?!*! Unlike the SSPX priest who, when asked by a visiting woman for the address of the nearest church where she could attend a new Mass, took a piece of paper and wrote down the details/address and location, for her – which was quite a lot of trouble for him to take, given that said church is only around the corner. So, stop trying to be a smart alec. Fr Linus Clovis is a diocesan priest, who offers the TLM as well – which I can confirm, having attended one of his Masses during his visit to Scotland. And, by the way, I’ve just spoken to our former media officer/press secretary, who flatly denies having said what you claim. Oh, and he asked me why I bother with “these clowns” who just want to cause trouble. I told him I don’t bother with them, which is what I’m now telling you…. Byeeee!
Editor
Maybe we need to take this to court and have lockdown declared unlawful, which, Constitutionally speaking, it is. At any rate, the government couldn’t actually defend itself in a court of law with the fake numbers is passing around as Covid-19 deaths. The religious persecution, disguised as keeping people safe, would have to end. Anyone fancy doing a “go fund me” on that one?
Athanasius,
Such is the apathy here in Scotland, I doubt very much if we’d get many contributions, certainly not sufficient to pay for legal action. If, however, we could get them to let us borrow a courtroom, I would be happy to pay for an academic gown for the day and lead the prosecution – you could be the Judge 😀
Churches would reopen the following day!
Athanasius
I`m willing to start with £100.00
The only problem would be with a court sitting during the pandemic.
Frankier
That’s an excellent offer to get things started, assuming, as you say, the courts are actually sitting. However, I was asking that someone else start the campaign as I have too much going on at present. I feel sure that if someone did start a go fund me court case against the government they would win the case hands down. These people need to be challenged legally. If I had the time I wouldn’t hesitate to do it.
Editor,
Yes, I remember that appearance! Did he perhaps inquire as to the population of Glasgow?
RCA Victor,
You probably remember it because Father mentioned it during an interview with Remnant TV, which you posted on the blog (else I would have missed it!)
Happily, following your famous visit, when entertaining a visitor from overseas, just in case they ask, I’m always ready with a rough estimate of the Glasgow population, but, believe it or not, “blow me” I thought, he didn’t ask!
Dear Editor
With French being forced to open their churches, that makes 18 European countries back in service
Of course that once bastion of Catholicism (my home land Ireland will be at the back of the queue.
https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/05/19/once-catholic-ireland-to-be-one-of-the-last-in-europe-to-reopen-public-worship/
Hope this link works. [Ed: it didn’t, but I Googled the article and found it, so I replaced your link and this link works, cough cough (no,I don’t have a continuous cough! That’s just me showing off 😀 )
PS: I happen to be one of “them”above who is in dialogue with our Bishop on this issue. Nothing to report.
[Ed: let us know when you DO have something to report…]
The public exercise of Religion is classed as non essential, and so has been withdrawn from souls by the Bishops who agreed to such action and by such action are depriving souls of God’s grace through the Sacraments.
How can any true Bishop of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic agree to and accept such action?
God be merciful to their souls because the are betraying, selling the Body of Christ on earth to worldly powers.
Guadalupe,
Not only did the bishops agree to such action, but in some cases the bishops lobbied the government to have the churches closed down, and this was allegedly the case with the English and Welsh bishops, as reported by Catholic journalist Damian Thompson.
Why would they petition the government for such action? Many of the clergy want to live in a world wrapped in cotton-wool, where their own self-preservation and self-defensiveness takes priority… “we must protect ourselves” … rather they should say “for the faithful we must accept suffering, even death, and selflessly”. Unless that is ones fundamental interior disposition then one is surely not cut out for the priesthood. Or perhaps I am being naively idealistic?
Miles Immaculatae,
“idealistic” doesn’t mean “impossible”. For something to be the ideal, it is to be the most perfect, most suitable thing, outcome or result.
Unfortunately, the secondary dictionary definition has come to be the meaning most commonly inferred, i.e. that an ideal is something: existing only in the imagination; desirable or perfect but not likely to become a reality.
Thus, in popular parlance, “ideal” has come to mean something unattainable. That’s wrong. Your definition of priesthood fits in with how the top dictionary definition was applied by the great priest saints. They followed the Gospel imperative to “be perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect” – the ideal, which is possible through the grace of God, or Our Lord would not have advocated it as a principle to be applied by His followers – priests and people alike.
Judging by what it happening today, it seems that very few apply the first definition to the priesthood. If it’s difficult, then it’s only an ideal…
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This person is coming onto this blog using various means of entry, so despite being in the moderation queue, he is disrespecting the administrator’s authority and seeking to cause trouble. Yet another person, who seems obsessed with causing trouble here. Goodness me, why can you not be busy about our Father’s business?
Hopefully, this will not happen again. I was alerted to this video by a priest who asked me where the church was and I had to come onto the blog to see to what video he referred.
The priest who contacted me felt that the sermon had some good points in it but was too long, noting that although St John Vianney’s sermons were lengthy, they didn’t have the same knowledge in those days that we have about best teaching methods in light of poor attention spans!
Bottom line, do not come onto this blog again. You are now blocked.
Ed,
You are correct… anything is possible by the grace of God, and God has given his Saints some remarkable graces throughout history, as recorded in Sacred Scripture, and other reliable sources.
The past century God has withdrawn his grace from the majority of clergy and the hierarchy, and this is a chastisement, the scourge of weak priests, prophesied by Our Lady of Fatima.
Why is the name withheld ?
Editor: it’s called “editorial discretion”.
Fair enough. I think it weakens the letter though.
No, it does not. Iit just annoys nosey people like you!
NOTE: I have already referred above to your duplicity in trying to access this blog using different details. This blog is called “Catholic Truth” and the fact that you are behaving in such a devious manner, proves that you are not interested in truth. You are now blocked and if you persist in trying to blog here, you will be totally wasting your time.
Ed,
You are very merciful towards trolls. Many people would ban them without warning at the first sign of mischief.
Miles Immaculatae,
You are right and I’d already decided that such will be the…drum roll… new normal !
Ed,
God help us.
I am a lover of opera, and my visits to the theatre to see opera have often been enchanting experiences. When the lockdown began, various opera companies began advertising live-streamings of their productions. I find video operas tediously dull. And if anyone seriously claims to derive satisfaction from video Masses, then I am inclined to suspect that they are dull people.
Ed,
Sorry, I was replying to your reply which I thought was a reply to a completely different comment that I wrote elsewhere.
Miles Immaculatae,
I understand that was a mix-up – my “new normal” remark refers to the fact that any headcases who begin to behave like headcases will be blocked at the first sign.
And before the usual moaners fill the admin box with “See… everyone has to agree with you, or they’re blocked” – childish baloney.
Agree with any personal opinions which I post, no problem. Who cares.
But if the disagreement in question is something of a different order, whether a matter of dogma or a reminder of the House Rules, then my opinion is the only one that matters.
Ed,
It’s not true that people have to agree with you or else be blocked etc., for example, I disagreed with you (and most commenters here) about Brexit and I was never mistreated on this blog because of it.
Miles Immaculatae,
I am glad to have the option of a live-stream Mass on this temporary basis – not, remotely, as a permanent solution. But tuning in, helps to focus my mind and heart on what happens at Mass. I know that, for example, at the moment of Consecration, Our Lord is being brought down on that altar – I am witnessing a miracle, the same miracle which I once (and hopefully will again) witnessed in church, when I attended in person.
From that fact, alone, I derive quite a lot of “satisfaction” – albeit that I don’t go in for claiming any of what the great saints term “sensible consolation”. It’s not something which I do – i.e. experience “satisfaction” or “sensible consolation”. With my unworthy self, I’m afraid it’s more a case of “Lord, I believe, help Thou my unbelief…” So, I’m glad to have, at least, these temporary live-stream Masses, given that it’s all that we are being offered, at this time.
I hope that doesn’t make me a dull person, but if so, I’m glad I have learned over the years not to give a toss about what anyone thinks of me… A dull person? See if I care…
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/gPGcj76Qknw/hqdefault.jpg
Ed,
No your’re not dull, far from it, and your distinction between ‘satisfaction’ and ‘sensible consolation’ is much appreciated. Those who are dull are a minority of people who positively enjoy the video Masses and perhaps even prefer them to the real thing. But as Athanasius says, they are fooling themselves.
Miles Immaculatae,
I totally agree. These lunatics should be got rid of at the first sign of being an idiot. 100% agreement, there.
This from a reliable source: “I’ve heard, via several sources, that anyone who publicly, via social media, e-mail, letter or otherwise, dares to question the actions and decisions of the Scottish Bishops, gets subtly or at times aggressively pressured into keeping quiet. I understand that many hundreds of people have been in touch to express their deep concerns and to ask for an immediate reopening of Churches.
Could it be because there are such twisted people as described above in the Church, sadly?
OL of Guadalupe,
Exactly. I notice our critic did not ask why the source of the information about the laity has not been given, just the priest. He is a known troublemaker on this blog and I wouldn’t put it past him to contact that priest’s bishop to try to cause trouble for him.
Anyway, since the priest remarked on the sermon and wondered where the church is located, I thought I’d post the link here. It is the Edinburgh SSPX church – here is the Mass from today…
Editor,
Oddly enough, I was going to come on here today to ask if anyone had seen that Edinburgh Mass, and did they notice that the priest only took Communion himself, did not give out Communion to the servers or anyone else present, as they do in the other SSPX chapels. I’ve watched them all, the one from St Michael’s school, Holy Cross, Woking etc and they give our Communion to everyone present.
Surely what I saw today in the Edinburgh chapel was not because of the fear of the virus or the stupid rules?
Josephine,
I watched the Mass from Woking this morning (10 am) but have now scrolled along to listen to the sermon and to check out your comments about Communion at the Edinburgh SSPX Mass in the video above.
I thought Father made some very good points in his sermon.
I was shocked, though, at the failure to distribute Holy Communion – unless, of course, those present were unable to receive Holy Communion due to either breaking the fast or requiring Confession before receiving Holy Communion. If, as you say, it’s an indication of fear of the virus, or observing the restrictions, then I’d be appalled. What a slap in the face to Our Lord! Surely, it can’t be that…
Holy Communion has been distributed as normal in the SSPX Woking church, so it may be left to the priest in a particular place or the servers/congregation in attendance. Whatever the reason, though, I do hope that Communion was not denied this morning, for virus/restriction-affiliated reasons.
It’s bad enough watching this ridiculous fear among the wider population, but in a Catholic church?
I would agree with the priest who wrote about the length of sermons in these Edinburgh Masses, but would add that the content is not that uplifting either. Personally speaking, this priest, as well as other SSPX priests in the UK, should be bucking the naturalist trend of the Novus Ordo hierarchy to provide public Masses for the failthul, come what may, instead of, in the case of Edinburgh, the same live stream every week with the same favoured few present.
We need some priests with the spirit of the martyrs right now, men of God who are prepared to say that enough is enough to this religious persecution and start ministering to souls again in the proper manner while observing whatever reasonable and prudent steps are necessary for health’ sake. Instead, they’re all just going along with lockdown as if the State were acting justly and appropriately. I think it’s disgraceful. The SSPX in America isn’t putting up with it.
Athanasius,
I’ve not bothered to watch these live-streamed Masses, not a single one. It is a trend that I have struggled to understand. Watching a Mass on a screen has no more supernatural benefit than to pray privately with a missal in ones bedroom. One is able, and one has always been able, to supernaturally unite oneself with the Scarifice of the Mass at anytime, anywhere, and to offer to God the merits of all the Masses throughout the world that day, and to make spiritual communion, and pray the Missal, without need for one of these ridiculous live-streamed Masses. And watching Mass online is not remotely comparable to being there in the flesh, and one does not receive equivalent graces. But the faithful are being led to believe that they do receive the same graces… Lex orandi lex credendi… This video Mass enthusiasm will ultimately lead people to thinking that they can fulfill their Sunday obligation sat on their bottoms in their living rooms in front of a laptop. And I actually think photography and filming at Mass is disrespectful and to be avoided unless absolutely necessary. Are people actually spiritually satisfied with these video liturgies, do they actually enjoy them and feel fulfilled by them? That’s sad.
I would be interested to know what others think. Am I wrong?
Miles Immaculatae
You are both right and wrong.
There is benefit to be had from live streamed Masses if one unites oneself with the priest offering the sacrifice at the very moment. There is also benefit to be had from good, short sermons.
On the otherhand, you have a point about being able to unite ourselves spiritually with the Mass at any time without requiring live streams, and there is cause to believe that live streamed Masses can result in disrespectful behaviour just by reason of us sitting in front of a TV or computer where conversation or any number of other distractions can take place. I don’t get a lot from these Live streamed Masses personally, they’re not remotely like being in church, but I suppose they’re better than no public religion at all for months on end. The clergy should be doing a lot more than they are currently to get people back to normality instead of just meekly accepting this unlawful government suppression of religious worship.
I’m not sure any honest Catholic could convince themselves that watching a live streamed Mass at home is sufficient in normal circumstances to fulfill their Sunday obligation. They would be fooling themselves if they tried to argue that one.
I am very impressed that a Scottish priest would write to support the brave Minnesota Bishops. Well done, Padre! If only we had a few more like you!
I fully understand why it would be necessary to withhold the priest’s name but what about the laity who have been fobbed off by the bishops or treated “aggressively”. Why are they not allowing their names to be published? I’d be shouting it from the rooftops if they were rude to me for just asking them to reopen the churches! If they work for the bishops and that’s their livelihood, that would be a different matter but if not, what have they got to lose? If it’s just pure human respect, that’s very disappointing.
We need the laity to speak out as much as possible. I’m a bit sympathetic to priests who would be punished by their bishops, no doubt about that, but the laity, not so much.
Josephine,
“I am very impressed that a Scottish priest would write to support the brave Minnesota Bishops. Well done, Padre! If only we had a few more like you!”
I agree Josephine, you couldn’t be more right!!!
Cornelius,
Welcome! Yes, I think you speak for us all by agreeing with Josephine on this!
In other news…
A reader has just emailed the following report which serves to underline the fact that we ARE grateful to those good diocesan priests, like the author of the above letter, who cling to orthodoxy in the midst of the nonsense around us – here’s one piece of nonsense, not too unbelievable when we recall that one of our publicly dissenting Edinburgh priests used to boast about having The Sash as his mobile alert… Why would any priest do that – except to portray himself (he thinks) as “cool”, like a daft adolescent out to shock for the sake of, well, seeming shocking!
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/lol-twelfth-comes-early-as-priest-plays-the-sash-at-the-end-of-mass-1.4259154
A beautiful looking Church and high altar!
Sad that such a misguided person is at that Altar of Christ.
Sacred Heart of Jesus, Have Mercy on Us.
Cornelius
Welcome! I agree with your agreement.
That’s a fabulous letter!
As Our Lady Of Guadalupe blogger said on an earlier thread that Bishop Athanasius Schneider “has been a fearless beacon of light” during this time, I would also like to include Archbishop Vigano and Cardinal Mueller as beacons of light as well, though very disappointed with Cardinal Sarah. It’s sorting the wheat from the chaff and sadly what does it say about the Catholic Church in the UK as a whole besides the Scottish priest mentioned above – not much!
I don’t know if anyone heard this interview downloaded on Gloria TV between Fr Paul Kramer and Fr John O’Connor which was recorded over 18 years ago. I thought it was quite prophetic as to what is actually happening in the church today especially at the top of the church.
https://gloria.tv/post/BHoRJBxSwEky1A8tnpWUekW77
Francescomarta,
If you go to YouTube and search “Father John O’Connor” you will find numerous videos recorded by him on the crisis in the Church. He, of course, was persecuted for his staunch fidelity to the Faith and for exposing the stench.
Here are my search results:
https://www.bing.com/search?q=father+john+o%27connor+videos&form=OSASSB&pc=OSAS
(Also it appears that the priest interviewing Father in your link is Fr. Paul Leonard, not Kramer – though I don’t know who Fr. Leonard is. One of the comments below asks if those two names are the same priest – ?)
Francescomarta,
I’m listening now to the recording – that is definitely Fr. Kramer’s voice, it’s very distinctive.
RCA Victor
Yes I think it is Fr Kramer and thanks for the Father John O’Connor links.
I agree that the letter from the Scottish priest is excellent and thanks to him for his writing (and for being willing to be named although I think it’s wisest not to)
Here’s another letter, this time written by a medical doctor to his bishop about the re-opening of churches. It’s very moving.
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2020/05/rorate-was-given-copy-of-this-moving.html#more
Looks like the Scottish Bishops have decided to move 180 degrees in the opposite direction from the Minnesota Bishops:
https://www.gloria.tv/post/8a2Q9VuYj9u9ENY9rFKJg9x7L
Not sure how accurate this is, but I had to laugh at the opening statement:
“A working group of the Scottish bishops…”
Working?
RCA Victor,
According to that report, the Bishops are saying that there will be no Masses until at least 2021, even if the churches do reopen sooner. In other words, one of our ever-watchful critics, catching me out on a technicality, did one of her disappearing acts as soon as I published my (probably totally unnecessary) apology for what seemed to be a misleading headline
https://catholictruthblog.com/2020/05/15/faithless-scots-bishops-to-keep-churches-closed-until-at-least-2021/
Still, revenge is a dish best served cold, so let’s wait to see when the Masses resume. THAT will make a great headline 😀
Editor,
Speaking from personal experience, I’d say that haggis is also a dish best served cold…or not at all….
Meanwhile, I’d love to know what the Scottish Bishops consider “work.”
RCA Victor,
I don’t know why Haggis gets such a bad name (well, I do, but it’s really not much different from good old mince) but not cold… piping (get it?) hot!
Me, too, I’d love to know that the redundant clergy in general consider “work” these days.
RCA Victor,
Meanwhile, I’d love to know what the Scottish Bishops consider “work.”
Here is a photograph of a hard day at the coal face, for a Scottish Bishop. (Hope it works).
https://ctd-thechristianpost.netdna-ssl.com/en/full/18094/ecumenismscotlandscottish-church-leadersroman-catholic-churchleo-cushleychurch-of-scotlandmoderatorlorna-hooddavid-chillingworthscottish-episcopal-church.jpg?w=760&h=456
As a joke, I was tempted to ask if you could guess which one of the three is a Catholic Bishop (!) but in fact it is the middle person, Leo Cushley, who is the Archbishop of St Andrews And Edinburgh.
As you can imagine, these cosy – and ultimately meaningless – gatherings do much to address the problems in the Scottish Church, such as poor catechesis, banal liturgy, incompetent or unsuitable priests etc…..
Given the state of the Church in Scotland – and the even worse state of the heretical sects – God knows what they are laughing at.
Gabriel Syme,
They could well be laughing at what they see as the “futility” of the the Catholic Truth apostolate. Had I been present, I may well have laughed along.
How about this for a fire-breathing Protestant!
https://www.wnd.com/2020/05/docile-pastors-placed-church-government-control/
RCA Victor,
It’s very good for a fire-breathing Protestant, LOL!
I came on to ask if the priest who wrote to the Minnesota Bishops has had any reply?
Nicky,
You took the words out of my mouth! I meant to ask this yesterday, and forgot, so it came to my mind just now – must be a case of “great minds think alike”!
Editor, did the priest receive a reply from the Bishops in Minnesota that he wrote to? Are we allowed to know that, or read it, even?
Nicky / Margaret Mary,
I believe Father did receive replies from the Minnesota Bishops, grateful for his supportive letter.
Ive just seen this (sorry if its already been posted somewhere):
A working group of the Scottish bishops, chaired by Argyll and the Isles Bishop Brian McGee, decided that Masses will not be back before “at least” 2021.
https://www.gloria.tv/post/8a2Q9VuYj9u9ENY9rFKJg9x7L
What a sad contrast to the Bishops in Minnesota..
I perceive the Scottish Bishops are giddy with excitement during all this. They get to pander to politicians, talk to the press (and not about child abuse either), set up “working groups” etc.
How exciting it all must be. How relevant they must feel. How pathetic it all is.
If they are talking about “at least” 2021, they would be as well shutting their doors permanently.
No way will the Novus Ordo Bishops do anything different from the protestants either. They would not care to embarrass their brethern by starting up before they do, potentially causing embarrassment. Just imagine the awkward atmosphere at the next ecumenical get together.
This is a golden opportunity for the SSPX in Scotland to show what is (should be) really important to Catholics and to attract people who want to get on with their Christianity.
Gabriel Syme,
We ran a thread on this when the news broke (thread published 15 May).
https://catholictruthblog.com/2020/05/15/faithless-scots-bishops-to-keep-churches-closed-until-at-least-2021/
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Editor,
I actually commented on that other topic as well – obviously a senior moment from myself (even though I am I not that senior….I think!)
Gabriel Syme,
I guessed as much, since there were a lot of comments on that thread (unsurprisingly!)
Still, it makes me feel great (at 29 years of age) that someone as young as your good self also has the occasional “senior moment”! I agree, you’re definitely NOT that “senior”! 😀
Editor
I had no idea that Gabriel Syme was 8 years older than me!
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