Letter to President Trump: a deep state, and a deep church – Archbishop Viganòeditor
Letter from Archbishop Viganò [pictured] to President Trump below
(click photo to read pdf)
June 7, 2020
Holy Trinity Sunday
In recent months we have been witnessing the formation of two opposing sides that I would call Biblical: the children of light and the children of darkness. The children of light constitute the most conspicuous part of humanity, while the children of darkness represent an absolute minority. And yet the former are the object of a sort of discrimination which places them in a situation of moral inferiority with respect to their adversaries, who often hold strategic positions in government, in politics, in the economy and in the media. In an apparently inexplicable way, the good are held hostage by the wicked and by those who help them either out of self-interest or fearfulness.
These two sides, which have a Biblical nature, follow the clear separation between the offspring of the Woman and the offspring of the Serpent. On the one hand there are those who, although they have a thousand defects and weaknesses, are motivated by the desire to do good, to be honest, to raise a family, to engage in work, to give prosperity to their homeland, to help the needy, and, in obedience to the Law of God, to merit the Kingdom of Heaven. On the other hand, there are those who serve themselves, who do not hold any moral principles, who want to demolish the family and the nation, exploit workers to make themselves unduly wealthy, foment internal divisions and wars, and accumulate power and money: for them the fallacious illusion of temporal well-being will one day – if they do not repent – yield to the terrible fate that awaits them, far from God, in eternal damnation.
In society, Mr. President, these two opposing realities co-exist as eternal enemies, just as God and Satan are eternal enemies. And it appears that the children of darkness – whom we may easily identify with the deep state which you wisely oppose and which is fiercely waging war against you in these days – have decided to show their cards, so to speak, by now revealing their plans. They seem to be so certain of already having everything under control that they have laid aside that circumspection that until now had at least partially concealed their true intentions. The investigations already under way will reveal the true responsibility of those who managed the Covid emergency not only in the area of health care but also in politics, the economy, and the media. We will probably find that in this colossal operation of social engineering there are people who have decided the fate of humanity, arrogating to themselves the right to act against the will of citizens and their representatives in the governments of nations.
We will also discover that the riots in these days were provoked by those who, seeing that the virus is inevitably fading and that the social alarm of the pandemic is waning, necessarily have had to provoke civil disturbances, because they would be followed by repression which, although legitimate, could be condemned as an unjustified aggression against the population. The same thing is also happening in Europe, in perfect synchrony. It is quite clear that the use of street protests is instrumental to the purposes of those who would like to see someone elected in the upcoming presidential elections who embodies the goals of the deep state and who expresses those goals faithfully and with conviction. It will not be surprising if, in a few months, we learn once again that hidden behind these acts of vandalism and violence there are those who hope to profit from the dissolution of the social order so as to build a world without freedom: Solve et Coagula, as the Masonic adage teaches.
Although it may seem disconcerting, the opposing alignments I have described are also found in religious circles. There are faithful Shepherds who care for the flock of Christ, but there are also mercenary infidels who seek to scatter the flock and hand the sheep over to be devoured by ravenous wolves. It is not surprising that these mercenaries are allies of the children of darkness and hate the children of light: just as there is a deep state, there is also a deep church that betrays its duties and forswears its proper commitments before God. Thus the Invisible Enemy, whom good rulers fight against in public affairs, is also fought against by good shepherds in the ecclesiastical sphere. It is a spiritual battle, which I spoke about in my recent Appeal which was published on May 8.
For the first time, the United States has in you a President who courageously defends the right to life, who is not ashamed to denounce the persecution of Christians throughout the world, who speaks of Jesus Christ and the right of citizens to freedom of worship. Your participation in the March for Life, and more recently your proclamation of the month of April as National Child Abuse Prevention Month, are actions that confirm which side you wish to fight on. And I dare to believe that both of us are on the same side in this battle, albeit with different weapons.
For this reason, I believe that the attack to which you were subjected after your visit to the National Shrine of Saint John Paul II is part of the orchestrated media narrative which seeks not to fight racism and bring social order, but to aggravate dispositions; not to bring justice, but to legitimize violence and crime; not to serve the truth, but to favor one political faction. And it is disconcerting that there are Bishops – such as those whom I recently denounced – who, by their words, prove that they are aligned on the opposing side. They are subservient to the deep state, to globalism, to aligned thought, to the New World Order which they invoke ever more frequently in the name of a universal brotherhood which has nothing Christian about it, but which evokes the Masonic ideals of those want to dominate the world by driving God out of the courts, out of schools, out of families, and perhaps even out of churches.
The American people are mature and have now understood how much the mainstream media does not want to spread the truth but seeks to silence and distort it, spreading the lie that is useful for the purposes of their masters. However, it is important that the good – who are the majority – wake up from their sluggishness and do not accept being deceived by a minority of dishonest people with unavowable purposes. It is necessary that the good, the children of light, come together and make their voices heard. What more effective way is there to do this, Mr. President, than by prayer, asking the Lord to protect you, the United States, and all of humanity from this enormous attack of the Enemy? Before the power of prayer, the deceptions of the children of darkness will collapse, their plots will be revealed, their betrayal will be shown, their frightening power will end in nothing, brought to light and exposed for what it is: an infernal deception.
Mr. President, my prayer is constantly turned to the beloved American nation, where I had the privilege and honor of being sent by Pope Benedict XVI as Apostolic Nuncio. In this dramatic and decisive hour for all of humanity, I am praying for you and also for all those who are at your side in the government of the United States. I trust that the American people are united with me and you in prayer to Almighty God.
United against the Invisible Enemy of all humanity, I bless you and the First Lady, the beloved American nation, and all men and women of good will.
+ Carlo Maria Viganò
Titular Archbishop of Ulpiana
Former Apostolic Nuncio to the United States of America
An outstanding letter. Superb!
If only we had one such bishop here in Scotland, we could pack up shop and go home.
Thank God for Archbishop Viganò – Deo gratias!
I agree – a truly outstanding, superb letter. We are very blessed to have those few good bishops who are speaking out, outstanding among them Archbishop Vigano.
On the other hand, there’s a mighty silence from the SSPX bishops. I wonder why that is?
I wonder if anyone visited the YouTube Mass in Edinburgh this morning?
The Edinburgh priest seems to be big into liturgy. He had a ding-dong go at the novus ordo / Vatican II changes to liturgy, with a slim link to the Trinity which was saying all liturgy is addressed to God, i.e. to the Trinity.
I don’t mean to be SSPX bashing but if something is on YouTube that means it’s public, so I think it’s fair comment to offer a view, and my view is that I was expecting to hear something more about the actual content of today’s Gospel. Jesus’ promise to be with his Church until the end of the world is really something we could use hearing about right now, but there was no mention of it.
On the plus side, the priest had plenty of personality, he was an animated speaker and very knowledgeable about the history of the Mass. I didn’t know the low Masses were originally only said in monasteries and not meant to be said in parishes – which is what I grew up with. Just shows. You think it all went pear-shaped after Vatican II but the Mass was faulty even before that. You learn something new every day, right enough.
Happy Feast of the Trinity, bloggers!
Well, I attended Mass in Woking, England this morning 😀 but have now had a listen to the Edinburgh sermon.
It’s the usual theme, I’m afraid. Sung Masses date from the Last Supper, or around about then!
Well, I, for one, wouldn’t mind sung Masses if they were sung – what we’re hearing (and that includes Woking! Sorry, folks!) are dirges. It’s like attending a weekly funeral!
This morning, for example, we had the chanted (i.e. “sung”) Mass, and then right at the end, as the priest and (excellent) servers exited the sanctuary and church, a loud burst of beautiful organ music… Not a recessional hymn, goodness, no, perish the thought, just some organ music – some lovely organ music. Talk about better late than never!
It was very different growing up with the low Masses prior to the Council, because they included hymns during Communion (Panis Angelicus and Ave Maria were favourites in my parish) and a lovely hymn at the end, to reinforce doctrine on everything from the Real Presence to… well… the Trinity!
Those days are long gone and never to return again, it seems. I’m reconciled. I think it’s a pity that young people are being denied this heritage, though. Contrary to what seems to be the popular opinion, lapsed youngsters are not uncommon in so-called traditional families – and I believe that is partly, at least, because there is a failure to inculcate a love of the Faith from pulpits, generally speaking. Too often, sermons today are academic lectures and go over the heads of most of us. There will, of course, be exceptions but it’s a pity about that. It should be the rule, not exceptional, to enable a love of God and the Faith to be stirred in young people through preaching.
Anyway, just to confirm – you are correct about having the right to comment on anything in the public domain, and you did so without any nasty personal remarks, so may I remind everyone else to follow Michaela’s example, if you wish to comment on the subject of the live-streamed Masses whether here in the UK or overseas.
Making a point or ten about content etc can be done without any personal remarks of the unkind sort – as I say, the young priest in Woking is a wonderful speaker, very calm, and yet forceful in his own way when necessary. He always gives good sermons – and I definitely agree with what he said this morning about the impossibility of trying to explain the dogma of the Trinity. I agree so much so that I hope next year he doesn’t even try! Instead, maybe focus on exhorting the faithful to obeying Our Lord’s command to go out into the whole world and spread the Faith. That is our Confirmation duty – never hear it mentioned and yet here we have the very short Gospel for the Feast of the Trinity and there it is, staring out at us…
Finally, I’m afraid I had enough of personality priests in my years attending the novus ordo. I prefer a sermon delivered calmly – and, to his credit, the young priest in Woking does just that. Which is why, despite the journey, I go back, week after week 😀
Oh, and happy Feast of the Holy Trinity, from me, as well !
I should make clear that when I speak of “dirges” I don’t mean to denigrate the voices of those singing at these Masses. I am sure they are doing their best, and we are all grateful for the time they give to the choir, assuming they give a lot of time to the choir! It’s just that I have absolutely no memories of any Masses chanted without organ accompaniment in the days before Vatican II. I remember our parish priest spent a fortune on buying a top class organ and approached me with an offer to pay for organ lessons. As a young teenager, it was unthinkable (!) and so I declined, but that helped to cement in my mind, the importance of good organ music at Mass. And, anyway, I couldn’t see (or, rather, hear) anything wrong with the old organ 😀
And it was another reason why the guitars were quite a shock thereafter 😀 I kept hoping he’d offer to pay for guitar lessons (that wuld have been “cool”) but no such luck. Ach well, you can’t fault a gal for dreaming…
Your memories of Mass chanted with organ accompaniment – were those the Propers, or the Ordinary?
If they were the Propers, then you must have had the awful “Rossini” Propers, better known as Propers for Dummies, which simplify to the extreme the original chant and provide organ chords in support. Unfortunately, the Rossini method is full of bad syllabification and wrong chords. Not to mention the fact that the Propers are supposed to be chanted a cappella.
I’m sorry to say that I know all about them, because the choir director we’ve had since December likes them.
For example, here is the first sentence of my post, using the Rossini method:
(BTW, I heard you play a mean bongo….)
Sorry, I’ve not been clear. We had mostly low Masses with some actual hymns sung by the choir during Communion and at the end, with organ accompaniment. The hymns during Communion were Latin e.g. Panis Angelicus and Ave Maria, which inspired devotion. Then an exit hymn at the end in English. That’s all.
Another parishioner tells me there was a sung Mass at midday every Sunday but I don’t remember that. Presumably I attended one of the several earlier Masses.
I’m glad you have memories of Masses from your youth. Sadly, I have no memory of ever being at Mass before the age of 5, when I was removed from the Church via divorce. In fact, I have only one memory of being in church, and that was with my grandmother, who went in to light a candle for someone. I think she was holding me in her arms – I remember looking up at the beautiful ceiling and wondering about the shadowed, flickering mystery of the place. I will always treasure that memory.
You were divorced at 5 ? Goodness me – and I thought these were lax days 😀
I did get an annulment though – it came inside a cereal box….
Phew! That’s good news!
The standard of singing at Edinburgh has been excellent over the last few weeks with lots of organ playing. They have been anything but a dirge. I really wonder why the priest has anything to do with Catholic Truth or it’s team when you continually run him down.
Editor: I didn’t mention the singing in Edinburgh – I’ve never heard it, so don’t feel qualified. I am delighted to learn that the singing there is excellent. That’s marvellous. I’m very pleased. I was speaking generally, having tuned into the Masses in England and America since lockdown began. I’m afraid the singing has not impressed me at all, in any of them. So, clearly, there is nothing personal to the priest – or the choirs – in Scotland. Nothing at all. I believe I praised the Scottish choirs for the time they devote to practising. I’m also surprised at your exhortation to SSPX priests to have nothing to do with Catholic Truth. I don’t know what you mean by that but none of us has been contacted by any SSPX priest in the UK since lockdown began, so I’m not understanding your point here. How unkind of you, though, to suggest that we are “continually running down” the priest in Edinburgh – that is simply not true at all. What a terrible thing to say. I’ve criticised the diocesan bishops and clergy for their negligence in going along with the lockdown and closing churches, but, in fact, I haven’t publicly offered any opinion about the way this lockdown has been managed by the SSPX clergy. Not a word. I don’t see the point. What difference would it make?
Do I look like I expect stupid answers to a manifestly rhetorical question? 😀
I’m afraid I have to be a little more forthright here about the Mass in Edinburgh and the priest who celebrates it every week.
The singing is pretty bad, as it is in most SSPX churches in the UK, as well as in certain churches in the US. And you’re right in your general observation that they sound for the most part like dirges, very off-putting for the faithful.
In Edinburgh in particular the employment of women in the choir is liturgically incorrect, not remotely Traditional, even though Pius XII did allow an exception when there is a genuine shortage of men, which is not the case with the SSPX. The reason why the Popes, especially the Patron of the SSPX, St. Pius X, strictly forbade the use of women in the choir for sung Masses was obviously because the choir performs a liturgical function of the Church, which admits men only, as in the case of altar servers.
In his Motu Proprio Tra Le Sollecitudini of November 22, 1903, St. Pius X expresses the traditional rule thus: “…On the same principle it follows that singers in church have a real liturgical office, and that therefore women, being incapable of exercising such office, cannot be admitted to form part of the choir. Whenever, then, it is desired to employ the acute voices of sopranos and contraltos, these parts must be taken by boys, according to the most ancient usage of the Church.” (Para. 13).
The exception to the rule allowed by Pius XII, and this may in part have been due to the reduction in the male population following WWII, explicitly states that where women are admitted to the choir they have to be separated in Church from the men for modesty reasons. In general, though, women were never supposed to sing in the choir during Mass, it’s a modern innovation.
Fr. Peter Scott, former SSPX superior in the US, conceded as much in an interview in 1991, during which he acknowledged the Pius XII exception but insisted that it should remain an exception, declaring that it is not the policy of the SSPX to admit women generally to the choir.
Certain SSPX priests completely ignore this policy and the general rule of Pius XII as well as 100 years of Papal insistence that the integrity of the Holy Mass demands that it be sung only by a properly trained choir, without which the Mass should not be sung lest it scandalise the faithful and degrade the Sacrifice.
Well I have heard properly trained choirs singing the Mass, one example in Rome in a church of the ICK, and I can vouch for the difference it makes to devotion and the sublime offering of the Mass. I have never experienced similar devotion in 35 years of hearing SSPX sung Masses, though I have many times experienced embarrassment when well-intentioned but utterly untrained choirs go off key or sing too high, a common problem when choirs are female dominated.
As for Fr. Wall’s sermon on Trinity Sunday, during which he again appeared to disparage the Low Mass as some kind of 10th century anomaly, it is in fact his insistence on sung Masses for Sundays and Holy Days that represents the anomaly, as well as a trampling of 10 centuries of Traditional Catholic culture in Scotland.
The sung Mass is an 18th century innovation that was permitted primarily for use by missionary priests in non-Catholic countries where there was a shortage of clergy.
Here’s what the Catholic Encyclopaedia says about it:
“A sung Mass (missa Cantata) is a modern compromise. It is really a low Mass, since the essence of high Mass is not the music but the deacon and subdeacon. Only in churches which have no ordained person except one priest, and in which high Mass is thus impossible, is it allowed to celebrate the Mass (on Sundays and feasts) with most of the adornment borrowed from high Mass, with singing and (generally) with incense. The Sacred Congregation of Rites has on several occasions (9 June, 1884; 7 December, 1888) forbidden the use of incense at a Missa Cantata; nevertheless, exceptions have been made for several dioceses, and the custom of using it is generally tolerated (Le Vavasseur, op. cit., I, 514-5). In this case, too, the celebrant takes the part of deacon and subdeacon; there is no kiss of peace…”
So it is perfectly clear that the low Mass (Missa Lecta) is far more Traditional than the sung Mass (Missa Cantata), the former being pre-dated only by the Missa Solemnis, that is, Pontifical High Mass with clerical deacon and sub-deacon. Obviously, the Church deemed it expedient to switch generally to the low Mass for practical reasons as dioceses and parishes expanded and greater demands were placed on priests to celebrate public Masses.
The notion that low Masses were only ever meant to be private Masses (Missa Privata), as some referred to them, was dismissed completely by Pope John XXIII in 1959 for the obvious reason that low Masses were the general norm in almost every parish in the world and had been for centuries.
This brings me to sermons and Fr. Wall’s insinuation on Sunday that those who prefer short sermons are somehow delinquent in the practice of their faith.
I recall on this point Fr. Wall insisting some time back that Trent permitted up to one hour for priests to preach during Sunday Mass. I checked the documents of Trent at the time and found that it said quite the opposite, that sermons should be short and to the point. I wrote to Fr. Wall to report this to him, providing sources from Trent as well as quotes from Sts. Francis de Sales and Francis of Assisi, one of which said: “The tree that puts forth too much wood bears no fruit”.
The wisdom of the saints is clear in this statement, for they well understood the human mind and condition when it came to preaching to the faithful, which is why they advised short pious sermons of value to the soul rather than lengthy historical or theological discourses that lull the hearer to sleep and are easily forgotten. It is the priest’s duty to exhort and inspire his listeners to holiness, not bore them to tears with his intellectual prowess.
I have written privately on a number of occasions to both Fr. Wall and the District Superior, Fr. Brucciani, on these very subjects, quoting only trustworthy sources from the Church to support my position. Sadly these communications have gone unanswered and now Fr. Wall repeats the same errors in a public setting. It grieves me greatly to have correct them publicly, but it’s my duty as a Catholic to do so.
What we, the Traditional Catholic faithful, want from our SSPX priests in this country is nothing more or less than the faith of our Fathers, that is, the low Mass, which is our cultural heritage, beautiful churches with the best adornments that we, the faithful, can help to supply, simple pious sermons that raise our hearts to God, simple devotions like rosaries, Benediction, Novenas, hymns, Stations of the Cross, etc., all of which likewise lift the heart and mind to God and encourage holier living.
I have absolutely no objection to Pontifical High Masses during a Bishop’s visit. Neither do I object in principle to the Missa Cantata, as long as it is sung by a male only trained choir, which can be very uplifting. My objection is when all the rules are pushed aside along with cultural norms and piety to accommodate the personal tastes of individual priests and like-minded music lovers to the detriment of all else. And let me say here that I also have no objection in principle to long sermons, such as those formerly preached in parishes by the Mission Fathers. If they are pious and instructive, engaging even the young to listen, then no one notices time. People only start looking at their watches when the preacher has failed to speak as Our Lord would speak, with simple holy words that inspire and correct.
I found your comment about the low Mass, singing, sermons etc very interesting indeed, and found myself agreeing with you all the way. I didn’t know there was a rule about no female singers but the reason makes sense, if only males are allowed in the sanctuary and the choir has a liturgical function, that makes sense that it should be all-male. When I got to the bit about you having written to the various priests but receiving no reply, I could see immediately what the problem is. Pride.
It’s always the very least anyone can expect when writing to people in public office, a reply, even a basic acknowledgment. I’m afraid I have no time for people who are too ignorant to even send a short reply. I see that you have written to them “a number of times”. You are obviously either a glutton for punishment or very humble. I’d have ignored them (and their collection baskets!) after the first, or at most, the second attempt at contacting them.
BTW, I agree with everything you say about singing. If it’s “off key and too high”, it’s tortuous to listen to.
It’s a strange fixation, to want sung Masses all the time when the singing is not of a high standard. I suppose they are looking on those Masses as chances to practise but to me, that’s the wrong way round. They need to practise before trying to sing at Mass. Imagine someone going along for the first time and hearing poor singing, they’d be unlikely to return.
So, well done you for pointing out the necessaries – it’s just a pity that you don’t have priests who are humble enough to thank you for your concerns whether or not they agree with you.
Josephine and Athanasius,
Regarding the poor quality, in general, of choirs in traditional parishes, I’ve noticed there seems to be a very basic first step missing: those interesting in singing should have to audition with the director.
I have yet to see this happen. Instead, people are just automatically accepted into choirs as if they can sing, as if they know what they are doing, as if they can read chant notation and/or modern notation, and as if they know which section they belong in (soprano, alto, tenor, bass).
The result is invariably what you might expect: cringe-worthy. That said, if it turns out that the choir director is among those who don’t know what they are doing, then in my opinion all singing should be scrubbed until a qualified director can be found.
You hit the mail right on the head with your comment.
Like you, I have never known a proper music director to be employed by the SSPX to identify, train and organise voices to ensure a beautiful and faultless singing of the Mass. All I have ever known (and heard) is a small collection of keen individuals thrown together with a resultant cacophony of noise that utterly drowns out any hope of recollection or raised spirits during Mass, some so bad that, to quote a famous Catholic author, whose name presently escapes me, “one finds oneself wishing for death”!
At my previous parish, SSPX, the choir was fortunate enough to have quite a few beautiful voices. However, due to the ineptitude and lack of qualifications of the director, almost all of them dropped out in disgust. The director and his wife (who actually has a nice voice), meanwhile, still conduct a personal vendetta against the one talented couple who remain – out of sheer jealousy. And the PP does absolutely nothing about this scandal, which has been going on for years.
Sadly one of the great trials of our time is clergy neglecting vigilance and their spiritual duty, a sign that they have no pastoral sense, which is why situations like this are allowed to fester. In fact, it’s quite often the case that priests choose favourites among their parishioners, usually people who are very compliant regardless of right or wrong, while others get marginalised, even blacklisted. It’s just another sign of the evil in the Church.
As regards choirs, no matter how many beautiful voices there are, if they are not organised properly the end result will be very poor. Again, this is a duty of priests who insist on sung Masses.
Thank you for your response, I’m glad someone else recognises how wrong, and harmful, this strange fixation with sung Masses is on the part of two particular SSPX priests who, incidentally, can’t sing a note, God love them.
All I can add to your excellent comment is that if someone wrote to me highlighting with Church teaching some wrongdoing on my part, I would thank them for their charity and make sure I never repeated my error. I think it is right that if we expect this from each other then we have a right to expect it the more from those in holy orders in accordance with their sacred office and the spirit of Our Lord.
That woeful Vatican II, though, has scarred the Church with so much clericalism that even some Traditional priests have been tainted with it, believing themselves to be above correction from subordinates, who are viewed as inferior upstarts of little importance. It doesn’t get more tragic than this.
I smell the foul odor of the same old troll, once again trying to drive a wedge between you and the SSPX.
Fee, fi, fo, fum….
Yip! And under a number of different aliases.
Truly, you couldn’t make it up!
I wonder if he’ll try to post as “Editor”?
Nothing would surprise me. Although I have to admit, I was surprised he’s moved to Edinburgh… 😀
What a wonderful heartfelt endorsement of the one brave world leader who is trying to hold firm against the satanic New World Order.
It should be noted that our present pope has this week come out fully endorsing the pagan goddess Gaia in a letter to some south American leader who was supposed to host some global warming conference which fell foul to the Chinese Wuhan Flu scam.
His letter is available over at Breitbart london.com.
God bless President Trump and all he stands for.
This is how we know that Our Lord is always with His Church, there’s always a prelate or prelates willing to stand up and speak the truth while all others remain silent or worse. The Archbishop reiterates a point that was made also by Michael Matt and others, which is that these evil people of the New World Order are in a minority. The weapons they have are a controlled media and a largely silent and complicit Catholic hierarchy. The judgment awaiting these silent and/or complicit popes and prelates doesn’t bear thinking about.
I still remember Archbishop Lefebrve’s response to being asked why he was leading a Traditional resistance to the Modernism in the Church. He said: “When I go before the divine judge and He asks me what I did with my priesthood, I do not want to hear from his mouth those terrible words: You helped destroy my Church along with the rest of them.
Well done Archbishop Vigano for putting your liberal confrere in Washington, Archbishop Wilton Gregory, firmly in the spotlight as an enemy of both the Catholic religion and the State.
Yes indeed, God bless Archbishop Vigano and Donald Trump.The latter reminds me of the unlikely people chosen by God at different times in salvation history: Moses with his stutter, King David with his womanising, Solomon with his weakness, Delilah, Sirius,Peter in his weakness Constantine etc, etc. I think Trump is actually a good man, and I hope some day, he will become a Catholic. If he did at present, he’d be super hounded, especially by the US hierarchy. Or at least, by some of them as there are some good bishops over there.
If Donald Trump converted to the Faith, I relish the thought of Pope Francis having to eat his words about Trump not being Christian. Not to mention all the internal enemies of the Church (i.e. the hierarchy) having to explain why they oppose Trump, their fellow-Catholic, and his America-first agenda.
In Confession this afternoon I discussed my anger – extreme anger – at the insult hurled at President Trump by this shameless, disgusting Lavender Mafia member Abp. Gregory. Father suggested that I write the President a letter expressing my support as a Catholic and reassuring him that he has the support of the majority of Catholics – especially traditional Catholics.
Well, after reading Abp. Vigano’s stirring letter, what’s left to say!?
I think there’s one thing the good Archbishop left out: he could have urged President Trump to convert to the Faith. I accept the mission…
I think Archbishop Vigano did the right thing by not overtly calling on the President to convert in that letter. Had he done so then the enemy would simply have written off his powerful words as those of a salesman trying to sell religion.
I think you’re right – so I did the honors meself….
That’s what we call here a First Class Honours!
An Address for the President, por favor.
Meme removed – fake news!
Thank you, RCA Victor!
I didn’t think even Kissinger would be arrogant enough and stupid enough to say those things in public, although I certainly think he believes them privately, but this website claims this meme is false:
Thank you for that – I received it by email from a friend whose original source, I know, sadly, is not too reliable. However, I thought I would post it “just in case” and now that you’ve corrected it, I’ve removed it, “just in case” readers think I’ve lost it completely 😀
It did occur to me that it was quite something to say that so openly in public, but then, having watched so many “trials” on American news channels (Judge Kavanaugh / impeachment and the rest, I thought, hey, anything’s possible – and all in my very own American accent!
Sorry, folks. That was fake news… Mea culpa!
Apologies, too, for my absence – if you only knew… But I will be back later to trawl the thread, at which time… beware!
Somehow I never thought of you as a trawler…
A lot of people have called me a “ship in the night”… So no surprise there 😀
Better a “ship of the night” than a woman of the night!
Well, these days (or rather nights!) my sleep pattern is all over the place due to being under house arrest, so maybe I’ll get back to being a lady who lunches sooner rather than later, when we get out of our domestic prisons.
Back on topic: when I skimmed through the Archbishop’s letter again, the fact jumped out at me that he was describing the whole virus “crisis” as “this enormous attack of the Enemy…”
It’s beyond belief, really; who would have thought, just three months ago, that we would be living under such dictatorial governance? And with no real end in sight. Boris’s efforts to restart the economy are being blocked by those who, incredibly, wish to keep the lockdown indefinitely. Are these people part of the planners, or just useful idiots? It’s that question which keeps returning to my mind – I’m not sure, but tend to think “useful idiots”.
Yes, I was pleased to see Archbishop Vigano refer to lockdown as a global experiment in “human engineering”, which is the description I gave it myself two months ago. The entire thing has been contrived by the enemies of God and freedom in oder to establish a new world order of evil totalitarianism. That’s why they’re doing all in their power with the media, which they control, and the “useful idiots” who don’t research for themselves, to stop Donald Trump and Boris Johnson from re-opening our economies. It’s only by economic collapse in both countries that they can hope to re-establish their hellish Socialist reign, which was waning seriously under Trump and Brexit.
I have been ‘re reading a great book about the Malthusian conspirators.
It is “Merchants of Doom” by Robert Zubrin and even if is a few years old (2012/13) it is even more relevant now.
It highlights the efforts of the ‘elite’ to eliminate the ‘deplorables’ back then.
What has changed you might ask.
“Nothing”, I might answer 😀
That’s an excellent and clear sighted letter from Archbishop Vigano.
He accurately identifies a number of agendas and manipulations. Very satisfying and inspiring to read.
Sadly, I must admit I could not even imagine a letter (or speech etc) of such magnitude coming from a Scottish Bishop.
I have, at last, managed to email the link to this discussion, to the White House.
President Trump is brutally attacked on all fronts by his enemies, day in and day out, so when I learned through a friend that someone on one of the American sites (probably The Remnant) had asked for all Catholic groups to write in support of the President, citing the Archbishp’s letter, I resolved to do so right away. This, quite a few days later, is “right away”!
You are completely correct about it being outwith the mind and heart of any Scottish Bishop to pen such a letter. Sad to say.
The President has tweeted his delight at the Archbishop’s letter which he read on Lifesitenews!
Fantastic! Now he knows that others can see exactly what is going on, if he didn’t realise that before.
Note: I tried a couple of times to copy the link directly to the report, but it won’t link here. So, if you use the homepage link above, you’ll see the headline which will take you through to the report where the tweet is copied.
This is welcome news indeed, which is probably the exact words President Trump used when he first read the Archbishop’s letter. The evil ones are not getting it all their own way!
Now Fox News is seeing the Covid-19 fakery for what it is. Pity they didn’t see it a little earlier.
Dr Taylor Marshall is speaking about the letter of Archbishop Vigano – very interesting indeed.
I came in to post a video of Dr Taylor on the “solve et coagula” quote from the Archbishop Vigano letter, but I am now wondering if it’s the same video as Laura’s – I don’t actually think so, so I will post it anyway. Editor can delete if it’s the same film. I found it fascinating.
Is there any way to contact Donald Trump? I don’t do twitter.
You must have missed my previous answer to this question:
Thank you, RCAVictor, I did miss it! I’ve now written to the President.
The rest of us will now write to warn him 😀
(1) It is better to explain in your own words why you are publishing a particular link. It can irritate readers to see a link without knowing why the blogger has published it. I get a lot of this in emails and I always delete them without reading.
(2) The article is not telling us anything we don’t know. Archbishop Vigano was not canonising Donald Trump. Nor was he suggesting that American Catholics are pleasing to God either, those who are guilty of all the things listed in the article. The article, however, wasn’t about the Catholic Church but about the evil political attacks on the President and what he is trying to do to overcome those who are manifestly doing the Devil’s work behind the scenes in “the swamp”.
(3) God has, throughout history, used people who are less than holy – perhaps even counted among the world’s “deplorables” – to bring good out of evil.
(4) Would it have been better to leave Donald Trump to his own efforts, not to encourage him to “drain the [evil] swamp” rather than offer the encouragement of a prelate of the Church?
(5) Isn’t it a good thing that many more Catholics, hitherto in ignorance about the dire state of the Church, now aware that there is a “deep church” – i.e. a parallel evil “church”, working alongside Christ’s Church in an effort to destroy it? Maybe that will make the unfaithful Catholics think again. Who knows, they may come to realise that the priests who encourage/allow them to think using contraception etc are part of that evil “deep church”. Who knows.
As I say, if would have been more helpful if you’ve explained why you think that article is of interest. I just found the article a tad irritating, trying to undermine the good which that letter has already effected. I didn’t think the archbishop, by referring to “children of light”, for example, was claiming that all the unbaptised are saved. Or that those who contracept and have abortions are “children of light”. That’s not what he said. No. He’s left that to Pope Francis. I took the term figuratively and in the context of the current political battle for the “soul” of America (as, here, there is a battle – aided and abetted – by our faithless bishops, for the “soul” of the countries of the UK).
Again, though, I may be misinterpreting your rationale for posting the link. So, let’s hear if from you – why do YOU think that article is of interest to us, here?
I think the author of that article has made a fundamental misinterpretation of the Archbishop’s letter.
The Archbishop spoke about people being “good” as opposed to the “evil” of the President’s enemies, the majority wanting good things, family, jobs etc. He was not saying the “good” are sinless. In fact he spoke about them having a thousand defects and weaknesses. In one of her appearances to Sr Lucia, Our Lady said “even the good” have ignored her message. So, you can be good without being sinless or even faithful at times. The “good” who know about Fatima but ignore it, are not faithful.
The author has read too much into the letter which was a prudent letter of support for a Protestant leader. It might eventually bring Donald Trump into the Church, or play a part in that, but it’s not meant to be a theological document. Just a letter of support acknowledging the basics about the good versus evil battle facing the President today.
I think the author is Larson a regular contributor to Christian Order. One of the best authors on a wide range of subjects that I have read. The reason for publishing the article should therefore be self evident. If not I suggest you all pray about it.
Love and prayers Liam
Perhaps you would like to read my response again, and answer the points I’ve made.
I’ve corresponded with Larson in the past (quite some time ago) and he’s sent me articles which I presume he thought I might publish. I did not.
So, thank you for that information – it doesn’t help your case but it is certainly of interest.
There goes Catholic Social Action! No such thing as “men of good will”, who are certainly more “children of light” than “children of darkness”. As far as this little clique of bead rattlers are concerned, the Jehovas Witness doctrine is the one for them, albeit with a Catholic emphasis. It’s actually not that far away from the pride of the Pharisees either, i.e., the belief that only a small number are blessed by God and should not therefore taint themselves by communicating with sinners and a largely sinful world. Nothing is more contrary to the spirit of Our Lord, the Good Shepherd.
Archbishop Vigano did what any true Catholic prelate would do in the present circumstances, which was to reach out to a President of obvious good will and a US population that is not wholly evil, misled and sinful perhaps, but not wholly evil. Fr. Malachi Martin used to make this distinction regularly to emphasise the hope that we should have when attempting to win souls to the true religion. Baby steps!
Our Lady and her rosary, we know, will ultimately win this battle against Satan, but it is absurd in the extreme to suggest that Catholics in the meantime become insular, refusing to do their Confirmation duty to help bring Our Lady victory closer by reaching out to those who feel lost and confused. That duty includes being diplomatic and charitable, showing good example to those souls we cannot read, much less write off as damned. Archbishop Vigano, like Our Lord, is doing just that, reaching out in solidarity with people of good will while modern Pharisees declare “you see how he eats and drinks with sinners…”
I’m appalled that anyone with devotion to Our Lady and the Rosary could have penned such an attack on a good Archbishop and the people of good will he’s trying to help.
Well said – I agree with all those who have explained to Liam what the letter is meant to be. The archbishop wasn’t condoning sin, but was reaching out to bring Christ into the darkness.
From Liam to the editor,
You might get a tad mad at me at the beginning of this post/ but I hope by the end of it, it will make sense. I preface my comments on the following tenets,
“You can never do evil that good might come of it”, “Woe to those who call good evil and evil good”, “Say yes when you mean yes and no when you mean no anything else comes from the evil one”.
Some years ago a Catholic head teacher being pressurized by his liberal staff to change things stated “When you’ve spent some time on the chalk face come and talk to me again.”
Bearing in mind all the quotes above using a real example I will now comment on the apostasy of the Hallam Diocese and the futility of supporting political parties of either hue.
In March 2020 my brother in law Paddy was told by the Hallamshire Hospital that he would not be admitted for his regular and essential monthly treatment to deal with permanently bedridden and degenerative condition. I asked the Chief executive of the hospital for an explanation and got none. Following the democratic process i also asked his MP to intervene. He also got no response. Paddy was left in total isolation with only his wife to care for him 24/7. At no time in the following 3 months did Paddy get any enquiries from the Hospital about his health etc. Priests and Doctors don’t come out to the Dying in this diocese. A Lady who’s Mother recently died in accordance with current protocols had to phone a Doctor and by phone confirm her death by doing the checks that she had died. Whilst on the phone this poor woman had to check her dead mothers breath,eyes, pulse etc.. to prove she was dead.
My brother in law Paddy had slogged his guts out for over 40 years in tough manual work. He carried on working in the company weigh bridge when he had to be put into a wheelchair. Paddy paid NI… contributions for over 40 years so that he could be cared for in his hour of need. Paddy died last Saturday in total isolation with only his poor Wife with him. To endorse the lie that he had not died because of his lack of treatment the police, the coroner and the ambulance all arrived at his home to certify his death and he was immediately taken away with no dignity in a body bag. Thus there will be no post mortem to establish the true cause of his death. To further add insult to injury at his cremation only ten people will be allowed to attend the service which should of course should have been a requiem mass since Paddy tried to convert the whole ward and staff to Catholicism each time he was in hospital. The protocol adopted by the Priest’s in the Hallam Diocese is that they will speak to the dying by phone but will not come out to hear confession, anoint or give Communion.
A bright German lady who worked for me in industry said the following about Hitler “He was a good man, he gave us food and jobs etc..” As Larson says our Church and states are in a state of emergency I stand fully with Larson in his analysis. I voted for no one in the last election for reasons which should be obvious including the fact that over 200 000 abortions took place last year and this doesn’t include abortifacients deaths. In one of Benson’s books he prophesied that euthanasia squads would come out to kill people in their own homes. Paddy’s prophetic death coupled with euthanasia in hospices and hospitals shows we are already in Benson’s world.
Going back to you can never do evil that good might come of it. None of the parties in this country represent anything remotely connected with true Catholicism. Being half Irish if I lived there I would vote for the Irish Freedom Party which seems to mostly support Catholic truths. It’s size and electoral prospects should have no bearing on the integrity of the Catholic voting process in the economy of salvation.
“Are you people in Galatia mad?” Emergency situations as described by Larson demand emergency solutions. Churchill took control in the war when he was 65 years of age. Our editor should set up a political party and without a vote take up its leadership. Her deputies should be Athanasius and John Smeaton. This should lead to lively cabinet meetings! If she accepts the challenge I will immediately send her £1000 and ask others to do the same for establishment costs. The Iron Lady would not be in her league.
Ps I’m not joking.
Love and Prayers Liam
Ever heard of “the lesser of evils”? That’s what Catholics are supposed to choose when it comes to voting, if we can’t stop all the evils at least our vote might stop some of them, that’s our Catholic duty and it’s a sin to abandon it. As the adage goes “evil abounds because good men do nothing”. By not voting you leave the field of battle in despondency and that’s not the Catholic spirit.
Donald Trump is a well-intentioned decent man. Is he a sinner? Undoubtedly. But he is far less of an evil than the alternative. Trump is stopping one of the greatest crimes against God and man in our time ABORTION. He’s the only world leader who stands between life or death for so many millions of infants and yet you agree with Larson’s outlook that we should disavow the man along with all others because he’s not a Catholic? Do you realise how insular and utterly unCatholic this argument is?
This “lesser evil” argument confuses me at election time because Pope John Paul II said in one of his apostolic letters or encyclicals, I can’t remember which, that we were forbidden in conscience to vote for any “system” which legislated for the murder of the unborn child. There’s no party within the UK system of government that is against abortion and has a policy of outlawing it. So, no matter what other policies they have, I have always understood Catholics should not vote for them. I know it means Catholics would be disenfranchised but that would be the message that would get across if every Catholic lived up to that teaching.
That’s always informed my vote although I do follow the advice I read on this blog somewhere to go to the polling station and spoil my paper by expressing that reason for not voting, writing it on the paper.
Spoiling one’s vote counts as a vote, as long as the ballot paper has a little Catholic message on it. That would certainly be considered as doing one’s Catholic duty to vote for the lesser of evils where all candidates promote evil immoralities. Not voting at all, even to spoil the vote, is a neglect of our duty as Catholics. I’m sure you’ll see the difference.
I’ve prayed for the repose of your brother-in-law’s soul…
I’m very disappointed to learn today that President Trump thinks the new Supreme Court ruling protecting LGBTQ+ jobs, is “very powerful.” It’s not just about protecting jobs – nobody wants them to be discriminated against in employment, but this opens the door to all sort of other claims, such as “gay weddings” in Catholic churches. I’m very disappointed in Trump today.
Yes, I’m very disappointed in that new, as well. Terrible.
I thought the Supreme Court was being filled with judges who would not DO that sort of thing.
Its very important that we all study the 2 links above and their implications. Without point scoring I again rest Larsons case. See my post from 13th June above. Why are Michaelas and your own comments of 16th June not being shown as ‘Recent comments’?
There’s no “points to score” – nobody here has canonised President Trump; he’s not infallible, just – as the UN economist, Jeffrey Sachs said on the record – the only thing standing between us all and the New World Order (totalitarian rule). Nor, for the record, is Larson infallible. Far from it.
Comments don’t always show under “recent comments” – it’s a system thing, I’m not sure why. Best to keep an eye on the threads themselves, to make sure you don’t miss anything.
I thnk Kellyann Conway was a little more forthright in the matter when she told the press that law changes are supposed to be for Congress to decide, not Supreme Court judges.
I think this ruling, and President Trump’s apparent support for it, will seriously damage his re-election prospects amongst conservative Republican voters. I also think these judges, a few of them put in place by Trump, are now working to undermine his re-election campaign and he can’t see it.
If Trump doesn’t get re-elected then the Democrats will certainly use this ruling to try to force “gay marriage” on the Catholic Church as well as to threaten businesses with closure if they refuse in conscinece to cater to “the gay community”.
Bishop Strickland, give him his due, did make a public statement about it on Twitter saying: “Lord forgive our arrogance! The highest court of our land May be called Supreme but woe unto us if we ignore GOD’S SUPREME TRUTH. Every person is beloved of God & must be treated accordingly but giving sin a seal of approval is not charity or love!”
What bothers me even more is that Archbishop Vigano has just sent that letter to President Trump in which he speaks of the battle presently raging between good and evil, then this happens and the President appears to approve. I suppose if he had said he doesn’t approve the left wing media would have immediately portrayed him as a “homophobe” who wants to control the courts. Still, I reckon he should have spoke up and declared his dissatisfaction with judges assuming to themselves the power to re-write the law.
Catholics in the White House are complaining about Trump’s tweets about Archbishop Vigano and Taylor Marshall – LOL!
That is extremely interesting, given that I keep hearing that Trump has some very good, traditional Mass-attending Catholics around him in the White House. Doesn’t look like it.
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