England: Lawyer – Democracy Lost…

England: Lawyer – Democracy Lost…


It is refreshing to hear a Barrister speaking openly about the reality of what is going on in the UK today, that our freedoms have been taken away, that we are no longer functioning as a democracy.  Francis Hoar is acting on behalf of the Keep Britain Free group – click here to read their statement on Judicial Lockdown Review and their Victories To Date

Here’s one commentator’s opinion, published underneath the video on YouTube…

People should not be afraid of their Governments, Governments should be afraid of their people.

Easier said than done.  At one point in the conversation, Anna Brees asks about disobedience. Understandably, the lawyer offers no opinion. Wouldn’t look too good if the legal establishment went about exhorting us all to break the law, I suppose…  However,  I find that I am more and more and more determined to disobey, with every new restriction announced. Those with jobs to think about, thought, may not enjoy the luxury of blatantly refusing to obey. 

 Does this mean, then, that we have no option but to keep doing what we’re told – indefinitely?   

Comments (36)

  • SM

    Sorry but that’s not democracy lost. It IS the natural consequence of “democracy.” Viva Cristo Rey!

    October 16, 2020 at 2:29 am
    • editor


      Perhaps you would like to explain what you mean by removing our freedoms, bringing in riot police to disperse peaceful protesters and making us wear face muzzles being “the natural consequence of democracy.

      I expect the clue to your thinking lies in the placing of inverted commas round the word, but still, I’d like you to spell out your meaning to show exactly how the lawyer got it wrong. That’s good debating. Leaving us to guess what you mean is not.

      October 16, 2020 at 9:58 am
      • RCAVictor

        Editor and Athanasius,

        I suspect what “SM” is referring to is the oft-stated theory that democracy, according to Marx, and therefore Lenin, is the [slow] road to socialism. This article lays it out:


        In fact, leftist intelligence agencies in the US often use “democracy” as a cover for their black ops destabilization strategies to establish some form of socialism in the target country.

        October 17, 2020 at 1:18 am
      • editor

        RCA Victor,

        Well, that may be (and I guessed his meaning was along those ‘smart alec’ lines) but it would have been more intelligent of him to have said so. I strongly suspect these cryptic commentators of being troublemakers and the fact that SM did not return to make clear what the heck he meant only serves to confirm my view. More often than not I delete those type of comments. If I don’t understand them on first reading, why should I inflict the “test” on the rest of the bloggers.

        So, the message to first time contributors is, contribute a clear comment which cannot be classed as a “smart alec” comment – or be prepared to be deleted.

        October 17, 2020 at 9:58 am
      • Athanasius


        I agree with both you and Editor. SM probably did mean that democracy leads inevitably to Socialism and from there, as we are now seeing, to outright Marxist dictatorship.

        My problem with SM, as Editor points out, is that a one-liner like his/hers is a bit of a brain dead contribution to any conversation. I like people to be clear and specific in their comments, maybe even supporting what they say with a bit of evidence such as you provided with your link to “freerepublic”. One-liner comments of uncertain meaning, in my experience, usually emanate from people who are either intellectually arrogant or intellectually challenged, which amounts to the same thing. These would do better to say nothing and act casual!

        October 17, 2020 at 3:57 pm
      • RCAVictor

        Athanasius and Editor,

        Here’s a one-liner for you: I suspect “SM” is also “PM.”

        October 18, 2020 at 12:14 am
      • editor

        RCA Victor,

        Great minds really do think alike 😀

        However, there have been no return visits, so that means possibly not…

        October 18, 2020 at 8:01 am
    • Athanasius


      Your comment makes no sense, please explain what you mean.

      October 16, 2020 at 8:24 pm
      • editor

        On the other hand, Athanasius, Julia Hartley-Brewer is making a lot of sense in this succession of conversations with the ever clueless MPs – as she runs rings round them! .

        October 16, 2020 at 11:10 pm
      • Lily


        Julia HB really does run rings round those MPs and that shows she has come a long way because I stopped listening to her show as she seemed to be falling for the whole scam. She has wakened up, glad to see. I note she says she has researched the evidence herself, so that would explain it. I wish more journalists would do the same.

        October 17, 2020 at 12:05 pm
      • Athanasius


        Julia Hartley-Brewer absolutely exposed these politicians for the lying, deceitful toads that they are, she quoted the actual statistics against their fables and fearmongering and they couldn’t answer her. This is truly now a criminal action by our governments against the people of the country. From Johnson and Sturgeon down, they are lying to the British public, taking away their freedoms and the economic futures in as brutal a manner as we would expect from President Xi in Communist China. There definitely needs to be a peaceful, yet powerful, popular uprising against this, calling for the fall of these politicians and an independent inquiry persuant of a criminal trial on a par with Nuremberg. It’s coming, but sadly not quickly enough to save lives and jobs.

        October 17, 2020 at 4:25 pm
      • Laura


        The one MP who surprised me in Julia’s interviews was Andrew Bridgen. I remember him being really strong on Brexit and, I don’t know why, really, but I just assumed he would be the same on this, but he seems to be going along with the government rules, no questions asked.

        October 17, 2020 at 6:36 pm
      • SM

        My comment simply means what Catholic political scientist Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn explained at length in his books. Modern “democracy” is a slippery slope to tyranny. The majority rule accompanied by a herd mentality, which is perfectly showcased in this CCP virus scare, leads to a progressive erosion of individual liberties.

        October 19, 2020 at 2:58 am
      • editor


        Interesting – it would have been great to have that input at the start of this discussion. Still, better late than never, I suppose.

        Did Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn suggest a preferred model of government?

        October 19, 2020 at 9:34 am
      • SM

        He was a monarchist. https://mises.org/library/monarchy-and-war-0

        October 20, 2020 at 6:50 pm
      • Athanasius


        Thank you for that clarification, which is appreciated. Of course most of us here, being Traditional Catholics fully conversant with Church teaching, understand and agree with you. This has been the general view from the beginning – that democracy is really a bit of a con that cannot work in practice and is always likely to tend towards totalitarian control by the elite over the sheep. This seems to be inherent in fallen human nature – a desire for those in power to absue it. You know the old and true adage – “power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely”. At no time in world history have we seen this so openly on display globally as now with Beijing’s Covid-19 programme!

        October 19, 2020 at 6:02 pm
      • mary

        “Modern “democracy” is a slippery slope to tyranny…”
        I remember reading that in Plato’s Republic, (Book 9 I think it was) so the idea was around even then. I wondered how he got hold of the idea since nothing like this happened in Ancient Greece.

        October 19, 2020 at 10:13 pm
  • francescomarta

    Andy Burnham (Mayor of Manchester) seems a little more determined than others to disobey the new restrictions. So Boris Johnson uses the usual and successful (so far) policy of scare stories and says the spread of coronavirus in Greater Manchester is “grave” and he may “need to intervene” if new measures are not agreed.

    Sounds like Boris has a job to do for the New World Order and pushing the British Public towards dangerous compulsory vaccines is his main goal. So mayhem, lockdowns, destroyed business’s, suicides, deaths’ due to health implications of lockdowns, destroyed holidays etc will be ordered by Boris until the British Army start the mass vaccination programs on the British people. If you don’t take the vaccine, don’t expect to visit your GP, or Hospital, get on a bus, or Fly out on holiday again.

    Does this mean then, that we have no option but to keep doing what we’re told? Lets see what happens in Manchester but it does appear that way. We no longer live in a democracy but a Police State!

    Anyway Boris says this virus is very grave, so grave thousands more deaths indirectly are needed via ‘Lockdowns,’ to combat this virus (if that makes sense). So lets remind ourselves what Dr Vernon Coleman says about this deadly virus.


    Here is another video regarding vaccines that Boris (and those who control him) is determined to inflict on the British Public.


    October 16, 2020 at 5:43 pm
    • editor


      I think there is a desperation now coming from Downing Street, due to the fact that the English population is showing definite signs of thinking, and coming to the realisation that something sinister is going on…

      Unlike Scotland where the brainless brigade continue to believe that “we’re all in this together”, blah blah. There are certainly some signs that more people are getting wise to it all, but not quite in the numbers who are making their voices heard in England. For example, we all saw the thousands who attended the Trafalgar Square protest in London a few weeks ago, but I’ve yet to see any mention in news outlets (or on YouTube) of the protest which was advertised to take place in Edinburgh last Saturday. I’ve just looked again quickly but can find nothing.

      I’ll check out your videos in due course – and would be very interested to read your thoughts about the lawyer interviewed by Anna Brees.

      As and when, FM… As and when 😀

      October 16, 2020 at 8:34 pm
    • Lily


      It must be the case that the government knows fine well what Vernon Coleman says is true – that the restrictions/lockdowns are doing much more harm that Covid-19. It really is a crime against humanity and I hope all those responsible end up in jail and that I live to see it.

      I was glad to hear him say that the “gullible” are becoming more aware but I don’t see a lot of evidence for that, TBH.

      October 17, 2020 at 11:58 am
      • francescomarta

        Editor / Lily

        As mentioned to the thread question “does this mean then, that we have no option but to keep doing what we’re told – indefinitely?” Let’s see what happens in Manchester but it does appear that way.

        We no longer live in a democracy but a Police State, a Government by decree. Barrister Francis Hoar mentions the Riot Police and their horses that were used against men, women and children protesting to what is happening. He also mentioned how other protests were treated differently. I saw at first hand what happened in Trafalgar Square and it reminded me of a protest scene from a film called Dr Zhivago, but with batons, not swords. If Boris Johnson has a legacy, it will not only be the unnecessary thousands of deaths he ‘knowingly’ caused and will cause as a result of the ‘Lockdowns’ but the barbarism of the ‘Boris Brown Shirts’ (Riot Police) in Trafalgar Square. Boris Johnson is a Criminal who will be remembered for how he tried to suppress the truth and I have no doubt that his offspring will change their name by deed poll later in life to distance themselves from this Puppet to the NWO.

        ‘Boris Johnson’ now makes laws simply by announcing it. These announcements by the puppet “Boris Johnson” creates obligations that binds us all. Parliament is now just theatre, it has no power, no opposition (or very little), we are now under the control of a unelected bureaucracy connected to nefarious groups in the UN/ WHO that seems to have links to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. It appears they control most leaders in the western world and are carefully coordinating this “Second Wave” across Europe following a particular psychological blue print of the three D’s. The three D’s are to DEVIATE society from cultural norms. The second is DYSFUNCTION, causing confusion, fear and maladaptive happenings to health, personal and professional life causing a lot of deaths that have nothing to do with a virus. The third is DISTRESS which is caused by the other two and this distress combined with confusion and fear make the public more compliant. Boris constantly changes the “Tiers Levels” so people do not have time to think. People can mask up 24 hours a day, constantly use sanitiser, social distance all they like, flatten the curve, circuit break and so on, but this will make no difference. Boris on behalf of those who control him will push the lies of spikes and deaths until Bill Gates & Co gets their wish of global Vaccinations and a control order similar to the Chinese Communist model coupled with a new digital monetary system in a cashless society.

        October 17, 2020 at 12:44 pm
      • RCAVictor


        Are those 3 D’s from the Tavistock Institute? Sounds like some psychological warfare plan they would come up with.

        October 17, 2020 at 11:58 pm
      • francescomarta

        RCA Victor

        Not sure about Tavistock Institute, but more a derivative similarly used by the USSR to control and keep people in fear.

        October 18, 2020 at 6:53 pm
      • Athanasius

        Lily and Francescomarta

        The government knows full well that what Vernon Coleman says is true, but the politicians have turned rogue on the British people, suppressing them criminally, and they must be brought down and brought to justice for this wicked evil.

        October 17, 2020 at 4:27 pm
  • Nicky

    That was a great interview with the lawyer, Francis Hoar. I think the students in Edinburgh and Bristol who are being treated disgracefully ought to get in touch with him!

    October 17, 2020 at 12:12 pm
  • editor

    I’ve just received the following link in my inbox – there really isn’t going to be any end to this totalitarianism any time soon – looks like The Plan is to make it much worse – the Great Reset is not going to be “great” for the majority of us…

    October 17, 2020 at 4:37 pm
  • Theresa Rose


    Too true, The Great Reset is not going to be “great” for the majority of us. This link from Australia agrees with the Canadian politician, I think.

    October 17, 2020 at 5:33 pm
  • Laura

    Theresa Rose,

    That Sky News Australia presenter is on the ball. That video shows that we are up against really evil forces in the world. I don’t know about you, but I feel totally helpless.

    There was another protest in London today. I wish we could have such a huge protest in Scotland.

    October 17, 2020 at 6:29 pm
    • Theresa Rose


      Like you , I also feel helpless. But we can pray the Rosary, and, do not forget the Traditional Mass. The Mass of all time. Our Lady did say that the Consecration of Russia will be done, though it will be late. May it not be too late.

      Not enough people are reading and seeing what we are, therefore fall prey to whatever they are told. A pity really, when you see the protests taking place in London.

      October 17, 2020 at 8:56 pm
  • Liam Jenkinson

    Using government statistics it appears that the death rate has been flat lining since July. A major flaw, experienced as my time as a civil servant, etc is that “where everybody is in charge of everything Chaos is the master” St Thomas Aquirnas. Thus we have a wide spectrum of “experts” all interpreting the same data in different and often contradictory ways. On one extreme we have the 2million are going to die syndrome in March and at the other extreme we have people saying there’s no problem it’s just something akin to normal flu. The only thing that seems for me to have any sure foundation is that the elderly and those with existing health conditions should be protected from infection of whatever this virus is and indeed should be routinely protected from any infection in future healthcare provision. The rest of society should be allowed to analyse as best they can what the risks are and if they choose get on with their lives as normal. Although the jury is still out herd immunity does seem to make sense.

    As for vaccination I would never accept it from vaccines derived from aborted babies. The only real casualty known to me and the family is Uncle Paddy who died because the NHS with no consultation stopped bringing him into hospital for his routine life supporting treatment. This was stopped for 3 months and then he died. There has been no response from the MP or the hospital involved to this covert policy of euthanasia. It is a contradiction in terms for politicians and others to say we must protect the NHS so that they’re not overwhelmed. There is no evidence that they were ever overwhelmed or are likely to be. It’s a bit like the fire service saying they will let some houses burn down and not go out if the houses have elderly/suck people in them. Which is nonsense.

    From my time in communities generally I see very disturbing trends among the general population. IE people avoiding one another in the street, snitching on their neighbours, 5 welders from Doncaster being imprisoned for 2 weeks because they bought sandwiches in an off shore supermarket where the regimen was that visitors even workmen must only stay within the confounds of their own digs even though they essentially had to be out and about to do their jobs and get spare parts etc. For all his other failings my father a seasoned war veteran always warned us about the advent of a police state. The nhs now have the power to inform the police about people who aren’t self isolating and the police will visit the homes and impose fines. In Australia a heavily pregnant woman was handcuffed and arrested for questioning the official narrative about the virus and testing etc. In the same country a woman who had gone outside the 5 mile limit radius to go to the beach was arrested in full view of her children who were screaming. A well respected German doctor who came to protest about the virus and the regime in London was arrested and not allowed to speak at the demonstration. Piers corbyn was arrested and fined £10,000 for protesting. In my own case I have had 5 visits from police concerning anti abortion protests on my car. 3 policemen were supportive of me saying there was no crime, 2 others were highly vindictive and harassed me and mine. I had taken legal advice to ensure I was breaking no laws. 2 lay people in the past said the following for evil to triumph all that is required is that good men do nothing. And another quote “we should afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted.”

    Finally we do seem to be into something of an Orwellian nightmare when because of the “rules” Margaret and I are not allowed even outdoors to meet our families in excess of groups of 6. (From research i have done the rule of 6 seems to have no scientific foundation anyway. ). Many societies have been seriously led astray by experts. The British are noted for their healthy scepticism and are mature enough to know when to take calculated risks to protect themselves and others and safeguard their livelihoods. Future generations will suffer immense tax burdens because of what has been done. I don’t know everyone’s motives in high places but I am starting to give some credence to conspiracy theorists who talk about a socialist totalitarian new world order. We have a duty to protect our freedom of expression above all. A literary genius called Havel said of his time under communism that people became accustomed to living in a lie and warned us severely about doing so in the west. Solzhenitsyn when he escaped to the west stated that the worse aspect of communism was that when people were subjected to unjust laws or imprisoned or killed eventually society at large didnt react to such blatant injustices because it had become the new norm. In one of his most famous speeches Churchill warning of a world under nazism said that such a situation would’ve made much worse by perverted science. To quote psalmist “as for me and my house we will continue to trust in the lord”. Lots of love and prayers Liam x

    October 18, 2020 at 3:24 pm
    • Athanasius

      Liam Jenkinson

      Thank you for that thoughtful post.

      One of the methods these evil elitists have employed to cover their criminal activities is to weaponise the term “conspiracy theorist” and use it against every one who speaks with the voice of reason and evidence. Hence we see even top experts in the fields of science, medicine, law, etc., being written off as “conspiracy theorists”, their siren warnings suppressed in main stream media and across social media platforms. The arrogance of these elitists is so great that Twitter and Facebook have even suspended the New York post story on Biden’s corrupt dealings and locked out even the President’s campaign account. This is incredible Communist totalitarianism going on around the world right before our eyes.

      We look at the official Covid-19 statistics and official declaration of just how harmless this virus is for most people, yet they’re still acting as though it were the Black Death and continuing to destroy the economies of the world.

      I have just watched a video of a man in New York who’s an expert in the buying and selling of precious metals such as gold and silver. He knows how the stock markets work better than anyone and he has said that this flooding of the economy with printed Covid-19 relief money while businesses everywhere are collapsing can only have one outcome; the complete devaluation of western currencies leading to a complete collapse of Western economies. The only country not printing phoney money is China, it’s actually building its internal economy as self reliant while all others go down the tubes. This has been the geopolitical plan from the outset, as I have opined many times. The “great reset” and “new normal” envisaged is a world run by Communist China, all Western nations having been sold out by their politicians who are enriching themselves with Chinese money, the price of their betrayal of democracy and freedom. This has been the purpose of the Davos gatherings of the world’s rich together with delegates from all the nations selling out.

      The really sad thing about it is that the only man who could have done something to stop this crime against humanity, Trump, has bought into the virus and the vaccines and the printing of money to sustain his subsequently collapsing U.S. economy. In his case I think he either hasn’t caught on to the pretty obvious fact that China has orchestrated it all, from the release of the virus to its pulling the response strings through the U.N. and WHO, proving that President Xi is ultimately cleverer than Trump when it comes to geopolitical chess, or he knows what’s happening but can do nothing to halt the wholesale internal and international political corruption behind it.

      I think if someone were to dig deep enough into the business dealings of the major politicians and scientists in all countries pushing this Covid-19 myth, they would find a Chinese money trail. I’m absolutely certain of it, just as I am now certain that this is our new way of life and it is set to get much worse. The greater majority deserve what’s coming for not using the human reason and common sense God gave them. I have nothing but the utmost contempt for all the people who continue to “obey the rules” of these despots like good little terrified sheep. These are the everyday idiots who form the greater part of the general public and have empowered their masters to take everything from them in the name of being their protectors. You could not make this up. it is so transparent now what’s happening. Only Our Lady can now save the world from this complete, and amazingly simple, takeover of the world by Communist totalitarianism. It’s exactly as she predicted in her Fatima message and Secret. Indeed if I understand correctly, even the Vatican received money from Communist China in return for selling out the persecuted underground Catholics in that country. Yes, the grip of Communism is now so tight that it is humanly impossible for any nation to escape it.

      October 18, 2020 at 11:22 pm
  • Fidelis

    Liam Jenkinson,

    Your post is very interesting indeed. I only disagree with one thing and it is about herd immunity.

    You say the jury is out on that but I saw three eminent doctors interviewed the other day (it’s on this blog somewhere) and they said that herd immunity is inevitable, that we can’t hide forever from this virus. If you look at Sweden, where they didn’t lockdown at all, and life is just the way it was before March, you can see that it has to happen.

    There is no way a virus can be beaten – just like the flu, we have to live with it. Most people recover anyway, even the seniors, as long as they don’t have underlying conditions.

    I agree, we need to trust in the Lord, and not worry.

    October 18, 2020 at 6:30 pm
  • francescomarta

    More Information on how Boris Johnson is fiddling and lying about the number of deaths to Covid 1984!


    If the link to Dr Vernon Coleman’s latest ‘Brandnewtube’ regarding Covid 1984 deaths can’t be accessed from the above clip, then I have reattached a link below.


    October 18, 2020 at 7:03 pm
  • petersironwood

    Interesting discussion. I think some people believe a dictatorship will prove more consistent, or more organized, or more regular. Nothing could be further from the truth. It will be chaos. https://petersironwood.com/2020/10/26/fascism-leads-to-chaos/

    October 26, 2020 at 11:05 pm
    • editor


      What we are facing now, is not right wing fascist dictatorship – it’s Chinese Communism that is taking our freedom. Fast. The virus has given them a way in and with our wonderfully co-operative governments (mostly left wing, certainly in Scotland) we are hurtling into Communist totalitarian governance, like there’s no tomorrow.

      October 27, 2020 at 12:10 am
    • Athanasius


      As soon as I came to the Trump bashing part of your blog essay I stopped reading. I am a writer myself so I catch on pretty quickly when I read something that is more the product of ideological conditioning than honest and objective research. What you did there was negate the very principle you apparently set out to defend – Truth!

      One other matter I should bring to your attention is that Hitler and his Nazis were left wing, not right wing. Hence the banner under which they marched and ruled: “The National Socialist German Workers’ Party”. Doesn’t get more left wing than that!

      October 27, 2020 at 3:13 am

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