Warning: SSPX Shock Approval For Covid-19 (Abortion Tainted) Vaccine – Catholics Beware…
Martin Blackshaw writes…
A few weeks ago the SSPX USA District published an article on its website headed: “Is it morally permissible to use the Covid-19 vaccine?” It was a rather short piece advising on the moral implications for Catholics weighing new and existing vaccines produced from the stem cell lines of aborted babies.
Short as it was, however, the article was read by many traditional Catholics, myself included, as a scandalous capitulation to Modernist moral theological thought. I wrote immediately to the District Superior of the U.S., as did others, raising objection to the piece which was subsequently removed and replaced with a message that said something to the effect that the Society’s moral theologians and medical experts were now reviewing the content under the supervision of SSPX superiors and would re-publish in due course.
Well, the SSPX reposted their review on December 4 and it said exactly the same as the first time around, except this time with lots of added superfluous passages to make it appear more deeply researched and authoritative.
Here are the three principal erroneous teachings expounded in both the original and revised articles:
1: “The doctor who vaccinates a patient, or the patient who is vaccinated, has only distant cooperation, for these acts only encourage and promote the sin of abortion in a very remote and very slight way. For sufficient health reasons, such acts could therefore be morally permitted.”
2: “A young woman who is to get married can thus receive the rubella vaccine, although such a vaccine is almost always prepared on fetal cells obtained by abortion. The reason is the danger for the child: if a woman contracts rubella during pregnancy, especially during the first trimester, the risk of birth defects – eye, hearing or heart – are significant. These malformations are permanent.”
3: “As cooperation is only distant, and the reason given is serious enough, it is possible in these cases to use such a vaccine. Moreover, it remains for each individual to judge, with the help of appropriate advice, this real need. ..It must be clearly stated that we are here in the domain of a prudent judgment, which cannot be uniform for all and in all cases. Moral theology says what is lawful or unlawful. It gives the principles. But it is for personal prudence to judge their application on a case-by-case basis.”
Concerning this third erroneous proposition, it seems to me that there’s a bit of sophistry being employed here similar to that used by the Francis revolutionaries who also use the ‘principle Vs. prudence’ argument in order to justify the admittance of divorced and remarried Catholics, cohabiting couples, etc., to Holy Communion. At any rate, I ran these past a trustworthy Traditional Catholic priest of more than 35 years and he in turn responded with the following three reasons showing why this SSPX advice is both ethically and morally wrong:
Vaccines Derived from Aborted Fetal Cells (Fetal DNA) are Immoral and Must be Rejected
(1) Reason 1: It is sinful to do evil to accomplish good (Rom. 3:8). Thus, it is sinful to make use of a good effect/benefit that has been derived or 
procured from an evil means. Using a covid-19 vaccine derived from, or tainted with, or tested with, aborted fetal tissue (fetal DNA) would constitute using an evil means, i.e., tissue (DNA) from an aborted fetus, in order to accomplish a good end, i.e., a medical cure. Therefore, the use of vaccines derived from, or tainted with, aborted fetal tissue is immoral and forbidden.
The “double effect” cannot be invoked: According to the moral principle of “double effect,” it is morally permitted, in cases of necessity, to employ an action which simultaneously produces two effects, one good and one evil, provided that: (1) only the good effect is willed, and (2) the good effect is not derived from the evil effect (for it is sinful to obtain a good end by the use of evil means). The principle of the “double effect” cannot be invoked in the use of vaccines derived from, or tainted with, or tested with, aborted fetal tissue (fetal DNA). The reason is because the good effect, i.e., medical cure, is obtained by means of the evil effect, i.e., the sin of abortion, from which the fetal tissue (DNA) was procured and used in the development and/or testing of the vaccine. Thus, the use of such vaccines is morally illicit.
[An example of a permissible action with a “double effect” would be a doctor’s prescription of a strong pain medication to relieve severe pain in a cancer patient, even though the use of such medication may also have the side effect to slowly shorten the patient’s life. In this case, the good effect, i.e., the present relief from severe pain, is the direct result of the pain medication, and is not derived from the evil effect, i.e., the shortening of life. Rather both good effect and bad effect are a simultaneous result of the use of the strong pain medication.]
(2) Reason 2: Just as it is forbidden to knowingly receive and use stolen money, especially if the victim was murdered in order to steal his money (for it is unlawful to benefit from a crime), so also it is forbidden to use a vaccine which is developed with the use of fetal tissue (fetal DNA) that has been stolen from an aborted (murdered) fetus—which is already a human person. Just as the stolen money always remains the property of the victim of theft or robbery, so also the vital organ (e.g., kidney, liver, etc.) and the tissue/DNA taken from it, always remain the property of the fetus—and connected to the physical integrity of his/her body. Therefore, it is immoral and illicit to use vaccines that have been developed or tested with the use of aborted fetal DNA.
(3) Reason 3: “Organ donation”: The use of covid-19 vaccines derived from aborted fetal tissue cannot be likened to the use of a donated vital organ, e.g., kidney or liver, for in the case of organ donation, the organ donor gives consent to donating his organ, i.e., he freely donates his organ. However, if an organ “donor” is murdered in order to obtain his vital organ, the use of such an organ, or tissue (DNA) from this organ, is immoral and forbidden. Consequently, since this is the method used in obtaining fetal tissue from an aborted fetus, it follows that using a vaccine derived from aborted fetal DNA is immoral and not permitted.”
Now some may argue that this response is merely the opinion of one priest setting himself against eminent moral theologians of the SSPX. My answer to that is to quote the following statements of far more eminent Church prelates whose words ring true in every properly formed Catholic conscience.
From a Lifesitenews article, for example, which includes an interview with Bishop Athanasius Schneider, we have this:
“Maybe I’m wrong, but I have the suspicion that partly this COVID situation was created not only to implement a new dictatorship and control of the population, but in some way to legalize abortion globally – the killing of unborn babies – so that the entire planet will be collaborating in the process of killing babies through the vaccine which will use parts of aborted babies. The vaccine will be imposed and obligatory – so that you cannot work, travel, go to school without it, obliging the entire population to receive the vaccine, but the only vaccine will be that made with cells from aborted babies. Perhaps they will not accept other vaccines, and they will lie, saying that these are not effective, that the only effective vaccine will be from aborted babies. I am not affirming now that this will happen, but it is my suspicion: it appears to me realistic that this could come. This is for me the last step of Satanism: that Satan and the world government – ultimately the Masonic world government – will oblige all, even the Church, to accept abortion in this way. And therefore we must resist very strongly against this, if it comes. We must even accept to be martyrs…Unfortunately, some Bishops, even good Bishops and priests, are already presenting what for me is a sophism in justifying that you can accept this vaccine from aborted babies according to moral principles.”
From the same article Bishop Joseph Strickland of Tyler, Texas concurs thus:
“…if a vaccine for this virus is only attainable if we use body parts of aborted children then I will refuse the vaccine…I will not kill children to live.” The bishop publicly re-issued this rejection of such vaccines: “I renew my call that we reject any vaccine that is developed using aborted children. Even if it originated decades ago it still means a child’s life was ended before it was born & then their body was used as spare parts.” Source
Also, in an open letter published in May, several Catholic Cardinals and bishops led by former papal nuncio Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò and Cardinals Gerhard Ludwig Mueller, Joseph Zen, and Janis Pujats said that “for Catholics it is morally unacceptable to develop or use vaccines derived from material from aborted fetuses.”
Additionally, at the May 2020 Rome Life Forum Cardinal Raymond Burke said: “It must be clear that it is never morally justified to develop a vaccine through the use of the cell lines of aborted fetuses.” He added that forced vaccines violate the
“integrity of citizens.”
These authoritative declarations conclusively show the moral theologians of the SSPX to have deviated from Traditional Catholic teaching in so grave a matter, a fact confirmed by the references they cite from more recent Vatican advice that just happens to be shared by most of the destructive Modernist hierarchy right up to Francis himself.
And this is not an isolated incident. Recall, for example, the invitation extended to Fr. Sean Kilcawley to share the lecture podium with Bishop Fellay during the October, 2019 Angelus Conference. this Novus Ordo priest, said to be an expert on John Paul II’s “Theology of the Body”, is touted as a pornography addiction counsellor. Here is one example of Fr. Kilcawley’s counselling, a highly controversial video statement that went viral:
“… simply invite Our Lord into our temptation and into our thoughts in the present moment. To say, “Jesus, I want to look at pornography right now.” Or, “Jesus, I’m having an impure thought right now. You’re welcome into my imagination. You’re welcome to watch these thoughts with me.” [Ed: click here to read our discussion in response to that scandal].
Nor is it just in the sphere of morals that we have reason to question the direction of the SSPX right now, for there is also a definite lean towards embracing modern pseudo-scientific thought.
Most informed Traditional Catholics, for example, are fully aware that the Covid-19 plague narrative is a geopolitical ruse concocted by a world Socialist elite as a means of supplanting global democracy with Communist totalitarianism. Proper official science has long proven this Coronavirus to be harmless for 99.97% of the global population, a fact easily discerned from a mere cursory glance at national and global death figures, yet the SSPX raises the controversial question of vaccines for the virus as though the plague narrative were credible and the vaccine question of some urgency.
A similar example of drift towards pseudo-science was Fr. Paul Robinson’s book “The Realist Guide to Religion and Science“, a work that has nothing whatever to do with the supernatural mission of the SSPX but which nevertheless negatively impacts on the Traditional Catholic understanding of Genesis by attempting to reconcile the Scriptural account of Creation with the utterly ridiculous “Big Bang” theory.
This is all very concerning, indicative of a serious problem within the higher clerical structure of the Society of St. Pius X. Whether the issue is one of infiltration or weakening of faith, I cannot say. What I can say to all those who, like me, are decades attached to the SSPX, to the saintly memory of Archbishop Lefebvre and to the many good priests who still make up the majority in the Society, is that we must watch like hawks going forward!
Not only must we reject deviations such as the advice on vaccines, the Fr. Kilcawley experiment and the Fr. Robinson science fiction, we must also henceforth check everything the SSPX superiors propose touching on faith and morals against the Traditional teaching of the Church and we must be vigilant in particular with regard to what is being taught to children in SSPX schools.
While it grieves me very greatly to have to say this publicly, I’m afraid there is no other option given the gravity of the situation and a demonstrable track record of SSPX superiors treating the concerns of subordinates with a contemptuous silence and a “business as usual” attitude which is utterly destructive of trust.
We all know the subtlety of Modernism, how it creeps in by degrees and ends in the destruction of everything we hold dear. If Vatican II and its aftermath have taught us anything it is that silence in the face of error is fatal to faith and must therefore be stopped immediately at source. That’s our task now, to react instantly like an immune system whenever the least sign of Modernist poison is detected within the SSPX. So let us be vigilant and let us not fail to raise our voices dutifully in respectful correction whenever error is taught, regardless of the dignity of the one who teaches it. Let us also pray fervently for all our priests. (Published with kind permission of the author, Martin Blackshaw aka Catholic Truth blogger Athanasius).
Comments invited…
Comments (114)
The following message and video link arrived in my inbox this morning – I’ve not had time to view the video, so please use your own judgment to either check out or dismiss anything that may seem far-fetched.
MESSAGE….
The most sharply focused discussion that you will find on the internet on the moral and scientific validity of the vaccinations that have just begun in many countries. I would advise anyone considering taking any of the vaccines, whether or not they use aborted cell lines, to watch this beforehand and to revert to part 2 of the discussion after that. Ignore the intro and skip to 17 mins – everything from there to the end is really helpful on this critical subject. I have not found this level of clarity and depth on the issue anywhere else – it has really challenged my thinking. End of Message.
Editor,
Speaking from personal experience (he said mysteriously), this young lady is brilliant. In fact, she has just done another interview on the same subject with our PP, which I hope to get permission to post here. She is also the author of a new book on the Catholic perspective on vaccines, which went on sale on 12/8, the Feast of the Immaculate Conception, at the Kolbe Center website (it is published by the Kolbe Center).
Meanwhile, speaking as an ignoramus in moral theology, it strikes me that all this debate about the morality of aborted fetus-based vaccines is strictly secondary, though entirely valid.
The primary moral issue, it seems to me, is that these “warp speed” vaccines (more accurately described as “warped mentality” vaccines) are likely to either seriously injure people, kill them, or sterilize them – or all three at once, as a bonus. Keep Bill Gates’ (aka NWO) population reduction goals clearly in mind when thinking about this crime against humanity.
Athanasius’ superb article starts to get to this point when he says this:
“Proper official science has long proven this Coronavirus to be harmless for 99.97% of the global population, a fact easily discerned from a mere cursory glance at national and global death figures, yet the SSPX raises the controversial question of vaccines for the virus as though the plague narrative were credible and the vaccine question of some urgency.”
Yes, the COVID vaccines question is of considerable urgency, but first, because they are potentially lethal, not because (IMHO) of their derivation. That to me is a secondary factor. The first factor alone should be enough to cause Catholics – not to mention the rest of the human race – to refuse them.
As for the current state of the SSPX, I am not qualified to comment on that, other than to recall my perceptions of them when I left them 3.5 years ago, which was that they were in a state of perpetual internal chaos, and that many of their priests I encountered were not well-formed.
RCAVictor
You raise a great point about the wider implications of these vaccines. I read somewhere, a trusted source, that two people in the UK have already suffered serious adverse effects from the new vaccine. Indeed, I think amongst the listed possible side effects death gets a remote mention, which is pretty scary, and there’s growing concern that fertility could be very seriously impacted. This latter “side effect” is precisely the intended goal as far as I’m concerned, the reason why Bill Gates is so heavily involved. The SSPX article should have weighed that wider argument.
Athanasius,
Actually I wasn’t thinking there was any defect in your excellent article, it just seemed to me that the entire SSPX argument ignored the elephant in the room, which is the high probability of lethal or highly dangerous side effects of these vaccines.
Here’s somewhat of an analogy to the point I was making earlier:
Let’s say Editor is accosted by a robber at gunpoint. Should she:
(a) Ponder whether the weapon had been stolen vs. purchased legally, and inquire about the status of the weapon?
(b) Realize that she is in mortal danger and defend herself?
RCAVictor
I understood the wider implication you were making and I completely agree with it. The questions over this vaccine are much bigger than just the moral one, however fundamental that may be to Catholics. These vaccines are just plain dangerous to health, as the Swine Flu vaccine tragically proved only too well.
RCA Victor,
You forgot the third option….
(c) check the current Coronavirus restrictions to see if I am allowed to ring through to the east coast, and if so, phone Athanasius and ask him to come over and help me!
Editor
Sorry, east coast is tier 4, you’ll just have to kick the bucket in my absence!!
WELL DONE PATRICIA FOR THIS MASTERPIECE
A brilliant and very educational article that should fill everyone with fear of things to come .We are at present being used as Guinea pigs ..and the gullible people clamouring for this noxious vaccine like the 90 year who likened it to the best day of her life and the fact that it is free ..remember the Frog effect plunge the poor creature in a bowl of hot water and it will immediately jump out but put it in a warm comforting bath BUT increase the temperature a degree at a time and soon you have boiled lifeless Frog ……so yes lets Thank Patricia for her foresight in putting up this super superb blog
Wendy,
Well, I only posted the article – it was written by Athanasius so all the praise goes to His Lordship 😀
And of course, we ARE being used as Guinea pigs – well those who will go along with this. Gullible people, as you say.
The frog effect is never far from the front of my mind – watching the majority of the population going along with all of this, is just tragic. I look at the masked faces around me and think “if only you knew what lies ahead… If only!
Editor
His Royal Highness, if you don’t mind!!
Editor
The most pertinent information to come from that video is that the babies being aborted by the researchers for use in developing vaccines are delivered by Caesarian and their hearts are still beating when worked on. Also, the abortions are continuing as older cell lines become less viable, the most recent being an abortion for research in China in 2015. This latter information entirely blows the liberal Catholic argument of remote, decades-ago abortions out of the water. Let’s hope the SSPX moves to get that article down from its website immediately.
Athanasius,
Thanks for that great article – I’m just thinking, if you, as a layman, can see all that so clearly, how did these priests get through seminary?
Athanasius,
I’ve still not had a chance to watch the video but will do so – at least to see the highlights, asap.
Athanasius,
Another brilliant article which I’ve forwarded to all and sundry. You’ll be happy to know that everyone I’ve spoken to agrees with you.
It disappoints me dreadfully that the SSPX can’t see the wood for the trees as they are becoming modernists without even knowing it.
Thank you!
That’s a totally superb article – another one from Athanasius.
How terrible, though, that we can’t trust the SSPX any more, not totally. It used to be the first place we looked to check what was right and wrong, but no longer. That’s so sad.
I agree, we just have to be vigilant. There’s nowhere really to turn any more, nowhere that is 100%. I’m only glad that I’m not raising children any more in this mess. You used to say “ask the priest” without giving it a thought – now you say, wait till I get time to check the catechism. I can’t see things ever returning to the way they were before. I, personally, can’t see me ever trusting priests again the way I used to do.
Lily
Yes, it saddened me to read that article on the SSPX website, teaching that just a few years ago the Society would never have contemplated. My response article is probably one of the most reluctant I’ve ever written, but absolutely necessary.
Lily,
I’m afraid you are not alone in your thinking – I hear a lot of like-minds saying the same thing, sadly. We should pray very hard for priests.
” I, personally, can’t see me ever trusting priests again the way I used to do.”
I said the very same thing recently.
I AM still rearing children and it is more difficult than ever before.
Magdalene
i feel a wee bit guilty for saying that but it’s the way I honestly feel. I hope that will change in the future, though, and I’m not saying there are not good priests out there, I’m sure there are. This whole Covid thing has really got to me and I am scandalised at the way the priests have gone along with it, doing the government’s bidding. It really is faithless, so I wonder how they can give me good Catholic advise if that is the way they are, obedient to a very bad anti-God government.
Speaking of dangerous vaccines, Pfizer’s has just been seriously questioned:
https://www.newstarget.com/2020-12-10-pfizers-vaccine-studies-based-on-fraud.html
RCA Victor,
Thank you very much for posting that link – Dr Mike Yeadon has spoken out for a good while about the whole scam.
However, I have to say that when I watch the USA “conservative” TV news channels, including the press conferences from the White House, I’m astounded at the way “the virus” is presented as a deadly plague. All pushing the vaccine.
I had imagined that the group of “Doubting Thomas” Doctors, whom (I believe) Trump praised, plus the doctors attending to him when he was in hospital h imself, would have made sure that he became aware of the truth about this “pandemic”.
Seems not – any idea why?
Editor,
I am also perplexed by Trump’s failure to expose the scam. Maybe he’s waiting for the millions of people who will either die or become seriously ill as a result of the vaccines – i.e. for the whole narrative to destroy itself. But that’s not exactly a charitable course of action…
Speaking of deaths from the vaccine, here’s a doctor telling people on CNN (Communist News Network) “Don’t be ‘alarmed’ if elderly die after receiving COVID vaccine.” Wait until you read his rationale:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/doctor-on-cnn-dont-be-alarmed-if-elderly-die-after-receiving-covid-vaccine
Of course, doctors like this lying quack will be rewarded, while doctors who tell the truth will be punished. Gee, just like the Church!
RCA Victor,
I notice that when Trump mentions the vaccine, he also mentions “therapeutics” so at least he is offering an alternative, AND he is not making it compulsory – I’m sure he would not allow the kind of coercion we are seeing here already, with various agencies making proof of vaccination a condition of access to their goods and/or services.
Perhaps he is praising the arrival of the vaccine because he knows that a lot of the population is worried about infection and this helps to ease their concerns, not sure, but I would hate to think he knows what lies behind the determination to have us all vaccinated, and is going along with it. I really don’t think he would do that. But then I’m an “Always Trumper”!
Editor,
Me too, but I’m not so optimistic about lack of coercion here in the USA. As I’ve posted recently, there is no national decree/mandate on mask-wearing, but various Demon-crat governors have issued said decrees for their states. And the crux of the problem is that corporations are enforcing it, everywhere in these states.
I’m afraid that these corporations will do the same regarding vaccines, even if there are no Federal or State mandates. In other words, no health passport= no entry: no groceries, no haircut, no gym, no church, no new clothes, and worst of all….no chocolate!
At least one major grocery chain over here has been heavily promoting shop-on-line/pick up your groceries at the door for about 2 years. One has to wonder how they knew what was coming…
RCA Victor,
The evil is manifest. Already we’re being told that the vaccine is not a “cure”, and that we can be vaccinated and still catch the virus. And/or, we can be vaccinated and still pass on the virus to others.
What then, is the blankety blank POINT of the vaccine?
Am I missing something that a medical or science degree would help me to understand?
Editor
It’s so that they can keep shifting the goal posts on lockdowns because this virus was never about risk to health. The excuse at first was locking down while awaiting a vaccine. Now that the vaccine has arrived, they have come up with the new excuse you have described. These people are actually quite evil!
Editor,
It’s very revealing that these evil people and their stooges can’t get their story straight about any aspect of the scam-demic, including the vaccine. One month(s) we’re assured that everything will be safe again once the vaccine is taken, yet the next month it’s the message you’ve cited.
Another hallmark of Communism: the narrative constantly changes, as though the previous narrative never existed.
Editor,
My thoughts below may be a bit far fetched (and my apologies for the long post) but here they are…
I’m wondering if Trump is using the vaccine rollout as a cover for military movements around the country as there has been a huge increase in the last couple of months (from an average of 250 aircraft to upwards of 1500 per day) of military aircraft (including rendition flights) going all manner of places incl. GITMO and black sites around the world, and ground troops are quietly seen throughout the country in possible anticipation of martial law or insurrection acts. Know too that Trump has the military right behind him. A while back he spoke of buying Greenland and never building a Trump Tower in there. It has been surmised GITMO 2 has been being built there and GITMO 1 (Cuba) has been expanded over the last couple of years in preparation for many prisoners.
It’s possible Trump talks in code to avoid frightening the populace (and to keep manoeuvres quiet) and General Perna dressed in fatigues gave a speech recently of vaccine deliveries (in my opinion a bit strange given a health official would have likely given it) but also spoke in military undertones such as “vaccine D-Day….beginning of the end” etc. Other commentators have mentioned that “December will be cool, January will be hot” implying there will be insurrections in January if Trump is returned to office, as I hope he will be. Another possible sign is that he tossed the coin in a highly publicised football game between the Army and Navy (this could be a coincidence but who knows!). People on social media have been quietly advised to prepare for emergencies and to have ample food, water and generators ready. Google, Gmail and Facebook have had blackouts today so it could well be the “beginning of the end”.
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-13-situation-update-dec-13th-gen-perna-announces-vaccine-d-day-beginning-of-the-end.html
It seems crazy but it looks like events are happening right in front of our very eyes and we don’t even know it. As Alice in Wonderland said “things aren’t what they seem”.
Mary W,
All I can say in response to your (not necessarily at all) “far fetched” comment, is that nothing, but nothing surprises me any more.
Indeed, to add to your “far fetched” thoughts, I wonder about preparing for a military attack by the Chinese. This report, with embedded video, is interesting (to put it mildly)…
https://themarshallreport.wordpress.com/2020/12/10/china-and-us-prepare-for-war-nothing-here-to-see-move-along/
The author of the above article writes: Remember China has interfered with the US elections and that now is an act of war.
I’m not sure – indeed, I doubt that Trump would be “using the vaccine as a cover” – I think he’s taking the words of the “science experts” (for whom I now have zero respect) but that is separate from the danger posed by China in every respect.
Mary,
I see you’ve been reading newstarget.com, as I have, in particular the podcasts/videos of Mike Adams and Jeffrey Prather. In fact, it might have been one of your posts that made me aware of that site.
I don’t think Adams & Co. are 100% correct (Adams was wrong, for example, about SCOTUS taking the Texas lawsuit), but I think he’s pretty close.
I agree that there is well-prepared stuff going on behind the scenes which will hopefully bring the whole Biden house of cards down – and perhaps the rest of the Deep State with him. I would love to see the same thing happen to the “Deep Church.”
And speaking of the Deep Church, here is Abp. Vigano’s latest masterpiece:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&u=https://translate.google.com/translate?sl%3Dit%26tl%3Den%26u%3Dhttps://www.aldomariavalli.it/2020/12/15/meditazione-di-monsignor-vigano-vieni-o-emanuele-libera-il-tuo-popolo-prigioniero/
RCAVictor
I agree about Mike Adams and Co – I think they’re well off the mark. There will be no military action by President Trump because there never was a sting operation. I caught on to this a while back, it’s all wishful thinking.
I thought in fairness I should inform the SSPX USA authorities about this article, so I’ve emailed the link.
Athanasius,
Thank you for that – I should really have sent the link to them; I’ve had (another) one of those days 😀
And I sent the link today to Fr. Fullerton in a very l-o-n-g email to support the points I was making regarding the appalling SSPX party line that the end may justify the means in choosing whether or not to take the Pfizer vaccine.
Tony,
Thank you very much for doing that – I take it you are in that part of the world, so it helps that Father will realise the extent of our reach. Not only are we reading material from the USA but Americans are reading material in Scotland 😀
Tony
Thank you for doing that, although I suspect you will receive no response to your email and the article will remain online. I really have no idea how they can even begin justify such a departure from Traditional Catholic moral teaching.
Not that any of us need to be warned, but here is Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. weighing in on the mRNA vaccines:
https://www.newstarget.com/2020-12-10-robert-kennedy-jr-dont-take-covid19-vaccine.html
I actually read all of your Article Ed and as far as am concerned, Ethical or Unethical Vaccine they can keep it ,as am sure that Soros .Gates .Sachs .Bono . Francis and all of their relatives must surely all want to receive it first and their must be 1000s of them. So am sure that all of the Great and the Good in Western Society must surely get it first . In fact going back to the Priest who spoke about Sexual Temptations he is Welcome to my Doze . Not that I would want to listen much to that Guy and their is lots I would like to ask that Apostate Face to Face .Their is 1 question though that ad like to ask anyone on here and that is .What the Heck is so called Theology of The Body .Am no scholar nor saint but I know whats Right and whats Wrong . This Fr Sean seems to have his Temptations mixed up .Still al give the Guy the Benefit of the doubt and maybe hes thinking of the singing group that are or were called The Temptations . Am tempted to find out but its way past my Bedtime. Ed I hope you seen those Videos on covid on Youtube. Am not saying that taking Vitamin D and Zinc supplements will prevent me from getting this Chinese Fabricated Disease but according to Real Facts by Doctor Campbell it will certainly do me no harm . BTW I bought 180 Vitamin D Tablets for £2 . Taking 2 a Day as requested that’s a 3 Months supply at roughly 2 Pence Per Day which is no where near enough Money for big Pharma . Your thoughts Please.
Athanasius,
I had just come across that very article of the doctor saying ‘Don’t be alarmed if the elderly die after receiving the covid vaccine’.
I am sure that I have read of pharmaceutical companies will be protected from liability claims if anything untoward happens to anyone who receives the vaccine no matter their age,
The numbers of babies being aborted during the 20th century and into the present must now be in the millions. It seems inevitable that such a cavalier attitude over the elderly might die following this vaccine. That would be helpful towards reducing the world’s population to 500 million.
Am glad too that you have sent the link to them too.
This drug was first synthesized in 1954 in Western Germany by the firm Chemie Grünenthal, who found out that it had interesting sedative effects. It appeared as a promising alternative to barbiturates that were then used as sedatives, because it didn’t seem to be toxic nor have any side effects. An overdose would only cause deep sleep, as opposed to barbiturates which could cause death if taken in excessive quantity.
https://thalidomide.ca/en/what-is-thalidomide/
The rest is history. Will history repeat itself?
So far there have been allegations of: Risk to pregnant women, palsy of the face, not to be taken by people with allergies; and that is only after 2 days!
I’m not taking it.
It is being pushed by the people who want to 6uild 6ack 6etter.
Here’s even more compelling evidence as to why no one, morality aside, should go within 100 miles of the new Covid vaccines.
https://www.newstarget.com/2020-12-10-robert-kennedy-jr-dont-take-covid19-vaccine.html
I note that Canada and the UK have selected the Pfizer vaccine, the one produced from the stem cell lines of aborted babies. What’s are the odds that this particular vaccine is going to become the standard in all countries? Here’s a little more insight into this hellish business:
https://www.newstarget.com/2020-12-10-canada-approves-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-aborted-fetal-cell-line.html
If anyone has the stomach for more twisted leftist/globalist/satanist “thinking” (aka “brazen lies”), read Melinda Gates’ comments on, among other things, President Trump’s desire to prioritize Americans for the new vaccine:
https://omaha.com/worldwide-distribution-of-covid-19-vaccines-is-crucial-for-the-economy-melinda-gates-says/article_42505744-c947-5a7d-b00a-b020cfcf4350.html
Here is that excerpt:
“Gates said she was ‘incredibly disappointed’ by President Donald Trump’s signing of a largely symbolic executive order on Tuesday aimed at prioritizing the shipment of the coronavirus vaccine to Americans before other nations — the Gates have previously warned about so-called “vaccine nationalism.”
In short, she wants Third World countries to get it first – which says certain things about the satanist goals for depopulation, if you catch my drift…
RCA Victor,
That is really very telling – very revealing, indeed. This is a good time, in other words, to be living in the poorer nations… It always strikes me as meaning something above and beyond this world, that those people – notwithstanding their poverty – value human life and refuse contraception and abortion.
That must kill, so to speak, the depopulation gurus like Gates & Co.
Ed I know that your thoughts on the Terrible so called Catholic Magazine The Tablet are much the same as mine . Anyhow I receive a Weekly Email from them, most of the times as you know their Articles are Garbage but this Week they’ve actually stepped up the Garbage.
From The Editors Desk . The Headline Is . It Is Our Moral Duty . To take the Corona Virus Vaccine. I sent them an Email saying among other things that it’s Our Moral Duty not to take a Vaccine from Aborted Babies. How this Magazine ( even in these Times) can declare that it’s a Catholic Voice beats me . But again it’s more Propaganda that One Has to take this unethical Medicine.
Faith of Our Fathers,
You have to wonder what these reprobates would have said during the great persecutions of the first three centuries of the Church.
“It is your moral duty to cast incense before the Roman gods!”
I tried to access your Link Victor. Lo and behold it says .
This Cannot Be Veiwed Because Of Legal Reasons.
They cannot even print The Truths in Lies . Or is it Lies in The Truth.
Anyhow am sure that you get my drift.
Faith of Our Fathers,
My first thought was that you couldn’t open the link because you’re in the UK, but if Editor could open it, I don’t know why you couldn’t. If you have a different browser, try that one.
Tried it through an iPad with Google Browser. I have a Laptop which it may access it . But it’s strange to say the least. Of course their couldn’t be a Conspiracy.
RCA Victor,
I hadn’t tried the link at that point – I was simply commenting on what you had written, but I’ve tried now and the message is that I am trying to access that site from a country which is a member of the EU – well, here’s me thinking we’d escaped! I’ve given up wondering (a) when the transition period ends and (b) what are the latest lockdown / tier rules and restrictions. Life used to be SO (relatively) simple.
You most certainly have it in one Ed when Life used to be so simple. I was an Electrician but progressed ( am not kidding) to be a So Called Multi Skilled Engineer mostly working within the Food Chain and in Refrigeration. Anyhow I was made redundant at 56 and got a Job within a Week ,I was lucky. The job though took me back to more or less Basic Electrical Work . Am in no way saying that’s easy and it wasn’t for me . God if you changed a Wall Socket you had to write out a Report on it . Am Past the age of doing home jobs for if you did even the slightest Re – Wiring a Report had to be written and a Small Installation Sheet filled in . Of course it’s all Money and regulations which are updated far too often . An Electrical Inspector told me that every time the Regulations ( some of which are stupid. ) as He was a member of the Regulations Board he received a lot of Money . Of course everything now is for insurance purposes of who can Sue who . Am sure like myself you receive the Phone Calls . ” Our records show you just had a car accident ” answer no ” Well someone in your family just had one ” answer no .” Well did any of your Family slip outside on a Banana Skin on a Private road ” answer no . Now am at the age where The Coffin Chasers are onto me wanting to sell me a Funeral Plan . I say more than NO when they call . Ahc where did it all go wrong. I personally blame Maggie Thatcher.
Editor,
If you have WIndows 10, with Alexa (the computerized answer woman) (or genderless robot, I don’t know which), try asking her/it who is the President of the United States.
Hint: the answer will not be Donald Trump….
WOW! I must do that – I do have Firestick so Alexa gets me Newsmax TV and Alan Jones, Sky News Australia (who remarked this evening – well a week ago, I only heard it this evening) that “all the elites are talking about The Great Reset” so he’s going to discuss it early in the New Year.
So, yes, I’ll ask her who is President of the USA – although I’ve never asked her anything before, just for programmes and even then she asked if I was someone new, the other day, that she didn’t recognise my voice so I took my finger off the mic and told her she was an idiot that I’ve been using the same voice for a very long time now…
You have to laugh – Artificial Intelligence… what are they (she) like?
Check this out .
James,
Looks like you’ve forgotten to post a link…Which is a polite way of saying, check WHAT out? 😀
Most New York firefighters say that they will NOT be receiving the Covid-19 vaccine.
https://www.newstarget.com/2020-12-11-most-nyc-firefighters-will-not-vaccinate-covid19.html
I wonder how many will follow their lead in refusing this vaccine? I do hope that many more follow their lead.
In this video, a group of doctors, nurses and other allied care workers from several countries speak out against this covid-19 vaccine. They say that this vaccine is unsafe and yet pharmaceutical companies are safe from any liabilities that might be caused.
https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=R91AG13254RU&fbclid=IwAR2TAcv3NRdIvw9oKCyWZSrvFFQJjLuUCmZ1ai9PEOTU14dNq3Dk8lYfh7w
This has just arrived in my inbox – seems Bill Gates has been caught on video admitting that the vaccine will change our DNA – video clip embedded in the article. I don’t know enough (anything!) about vaccines to comment, nor do I know if the video is authentic – we don’t see his face as the words are being said, so, again, readers and bloggers should use your own judgment to assess this information.
https://principia-scientific.com/bill-gates-admits-covid-vaccine-changes-dna-now-doctors-rebel/
And this from lifesitenews, ‘Gates and his minions insist the billionaire never said we would need the digital vaccine.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/yes-bill-gates-said-that-heres-the-proof?fbclid=IwAR2YEAUPeAkLy8N_gSIud9POPx90wIO1wHR28iQDGhO7ipjC6Bj9nS2_bXA
There must be a great deal Bill Gates and his confreres do not want us to know.
The madness continues – here’s a priest photographed taking the vaccination…
https://www.facebook.com/sanctafamiliamedia/?__cft__%5B0%5D=AZXDh40Xo0n_l1fBIer5iUghB9kC7ctjzIRVUCRNz8X_Uq7Jyv1NYF5mvwwBqlElqwLoNm17IH7cXNsUj4IbkENaGJd9y_9EOJkyOjIO_zSqv6BSTwLJDQfPJIb2cxervEOF7otXaMUkJbm-U3QP3FsmMIPjzAmU6wJN-prJabnAKZTDSUuu1v7k5yk-0gpnVijiWDZNVxclEaYtEl8YoVY0LCuALwuGfToYZTkmc7vPuJsTyZxRibrYXBFeSwclvmbqxgibt8QkF65vok9aL2dv&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R
Read through the comments until you come to one from our some time blogger Pat McKay who has posted a meme which reads “Wash your hands regularly. Don’t worry about your brain, we’ve done that for you…. Sincerely, Your Government…”
Gotcha!
I don’t know the name of that “awesome” priest – don’t tell me, or I might feel guilty about saying he is one blankety blank BLANK!
Editor,
“Blank” is what his mind is going to be when his immune system attacks him, courtesy of the mRNA vaccine.
Immune system attack? Hmmm…isn’t that what AIDS was?
Given that a Catholic priest participated in the trials and died of a “heart attack”, you’d wonder at his … er … “faith”!
Plenty of faith in alleged science – without any level of critical thinking – and (to all appearances) none in God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Editor
Clearly a priest of the Herodian order!
Athanasius,
The Scripture scholars are now exploring the possibility that Herod was really ahead of his day, in that he wanted to keep an eye on the three Wise Men with a view to charging them with a hate crime for not including a female in the group.
You have to laugh 😀
PS I just made that up, before the enthusiasts among us head for the Google/Search button!
Editor
Interesting to think what Hollywood would make of that – a movie called ‘Three Wise Men and a Wiser Wummin’?
Athanasius,
Hollywood, I imagine, would do its utmost to have the three men identify as women, so that would solve the “wiser wummin” problem – diversity is one thing, but equality is also important 😀
For fear of delving into dangerous theological territory here I am off to check out the link posted by Theresa Rose – looks interesting…
Editor
The simple answer for the politically correct is to call the Three Wise Men the three Wise Persons. Oops! Better not put ideas in their warped minds.
Editor,
So uh, if there were a female Magus (??), would they be offering Our Lord the politically correct gold, frankincense and her?
I actually think they’ll leave the Magi alone, since none of them were European males with white privilege.
Pontius Pilate, on the other hand….
RCA Victor,
I always laugh at the “white male privilege” – they say that about white men without knowing anything about their bank balances; they could be living in a rented mobile home, and surviving on the minimum wage, but by virtue of being white – they’re bad
Crackers!
I don’t understand the commentary on Reason 1 — “The ‘double effect’ cannot be invoked. . . . The reason is because the good effect, i.e., medical cure, is obtained by means of the evil effect, i.e., the sin of abortion.”
This appears to wrong to me.
Although the sin of abortion would be the consequence of, say, the nurse who assists a physician who performs an abortion, how could it constitute the effect of taking a vaccine derived from aborted fetal cells?
CR,
Your comment reminds me of the case of the two Scots midwives who were suspended because they refused to accept new duties which meant they had to support staff involved in abortions. Although they won their case initially, it was overturned by the Supreme Court in London
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-30514054
As you will see from the above BBC report, their case hinged on the concept of “remoteness” from the abortion itself. They were not being asked to actively involve themselves in the abortion, so (their employers claimed) there was no case for “conscientious objection”.
In email exchanges about this subject, one friend asked if her husband was correct to say that, if the SSPX statement is correct, then, surely we are remote enough from the “apple” in the Garden of Eden, that we can’t be guilty of Original Sin… game set and match!
It seems to me that if we accept the right of scientists to use aborted foetal cells to create a vaccine and choose to benefit from that vaccine (if “benefit” is the word – in this particular case, I doubt it) then we are implicitly condoning the evil of abortion. The fact that we are not actively participating in the abortion is not the issue – nobody is “remote” from the abortion(s) in the sense that we know that this vaccine has been created using material obtained by evil means. In short, we are benefiting from the murder of an unborn child.
Editor,
I remember that case of the two midwives. It was a scandal that they were forced to participate in abortions because by helping the junior staff to prepare, they were involved.
I’m also wondering if your friend was mistaken when she quoted her husband because I’ve been taught that we inherit Original Sin, that we are not guilty of it.
I agree with your final comment – we would be benefiting from the murder of unborn babies if we took a vaccine created with foetal tissue.
Catherine,
I did indeed misquote my friend’s husband: regarding the SSPX vaccine rationale, he’d asked Are we too remote from original sin to worry about the Apple?!
And of course you are right – we’re not born “guilty” of Original Sin – we inherit it from our first parents, so thank you for highlighting that. I see my original post is timed at 10.25.am this morning when I was supposed to have been elsewhere ten minutes previously – excuses, excuses…
Now, before you come back to accuse me inventing scripture, let me be clear: despite all the depictions in art of Eve eating “the apple”, there is no apple mentioned in the Genesis account of the Fall of Adam & Eve but simply fruit – “the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil”.
Hope that clears up things – again, thank you for pointing that out.
Catherine and Editor
I think the point the person was making as regards Original Sin is that whether we inherit or incur sin, if it is remote in time then, according to the argument put forward by Modernist Rome and the SSPX U.S. District, it shouldn’t be of any concern to us because it is merely material. Carried to its logical conclusion such faulty reasoning gives rise to the question: Well why the need for Baptism?
Come to think of it, if Original Sin is inherited rather than incurred by personal action then surely it is even less damaging to souls than the actual material sin of taking a vaccine produced from the cell lines of aborted babies? See what happens to truth when overly-clever moral theologians play around with sophistry?
CR
The moral principle is that if vaccines are produced from the stem cell lines of aborted babies then the source is evil. We cannot support that evil by making use of the so-called good that comes from it. I think it’s St. Paul who condemns the proposition “let us do evil that good may come from it”. Those Catholics who think that they are far enough removed from the child murder that underpins their vaccine as to render their part merely materially sinful are fooling themselves. The only thing that false argument succeeds in is in confirming big pharma that Catholics will ultimately make use of their crimes and so new abortions can go ahead whenever the cell line starts to fade. Catholics are morally obliged therefore to send a clear message that they will never participate in so heinous a crime against God and humanity.
I think the SSPX’s announced position on these criminal vaccines can be summed up by the old saying, “Straining the gnat and swallowing the camel.”
How would a faithful Catholic go about effectively registering his concern to the SSPX? I attend an SSPX chapel. I consider myself a member of that “parish”, if such a designation can have any meaning in these circumstances. But I have noticed a distinctly cult like devotion to the SSPX hierarchy among many fellow parishioners. They have transferred their instinct for submission, properly attached to a valid pope, to the SSPX hierarchy, which is woefully unworthy of such slavish obedience. I believe we must make Truth our guiding principle now, from whatever source, and pray for discernment, that we not be led astray. How can we push back against the soul crushing authoritarianism being manifested in the NeoSSPX hierarchy which is clearly aligned with all the worldly forces united against humanity?
Pearl87,
You are, sadly, absolutely correct about the wrong-headed and cult-like behaviour of too many in the SSPX. The correct attitude can only be our gratitude to the priests for their provision of the traditional Mass, sermons and Sacraments – end of discussion. That is what has been taken from us, and – it seems – God has given them an important role in preserving these, in anticipation of a full restoration of the Faith in due course. The SSPX is only charged with cherishing and preserving the traditional Faith until good order in restored, after the current, horrendous crisis. They are not a replacement or parallel Church.
As for registering concern to the SSPX… Well, in my own experience, disappointingly, the expression of any concerns is regarded as troublemaking. It’s incredible that the Society clergy and hierarchy are unable to tell the difference between laity with genuine concerns and troublemakers. Incredible.
So, having tried and failed in that regard, I simply attend the SSPX church, applying to that situation the same response I make to concerns in the wider Church and to this dreadful pontiff. Where they preach the Faith and stick to Catholic Tradition in all pertinent matters, I’m happy to accept and submit. Otherwise, I apply the same “yeah right” attitude which reaches the ears of Pope Francis day and daily – assuming he has spies in Scotland 😀
Not sure if this is any help but others will throw in their tuppence-worth and may have more useful insights and suggestions to offer.
Pearl87
It seems the position on vaccines is not uniform throughout the SSPX. For example, the prior in Scotland declared on Sunday past that we must not take the vaccine, yet the U.S. District Superior is telling American Catholics that it’s just a little sin so carry on. Some little sin!
The best way to register your objection is to go to the SSPX U.S. website and complete their “Contact Us” form. I suspect a lot of people have already done that. But here’s the downside: If they disregard the Traditional moral teaching upheld by senior Church prelates such as Archbishop Vigano, Cardinal Muller, Bishop Schneider, etc., then it is highly unlikely that anything we say will move them. Once the Modernism is entrenched in the mind together with a clericalist mentality you’d be as well complaining to your coffee table. The U.S. District has had serious issues in its clerical hierarchy for years.
What you might want to do as an alternative is write to the Superior General in Menzingen – the address can be found via a Google search. From experience, however, I think he already knows and approves of the U.S. position and he is not given to responding to the concerns of lower beings such as ourselves.
As Editor says, we thank the SSPX for providing the Mass, Sacraments, etc., during a time of crisis in the Church, but we likewise recognise that it has a very dangerous and destructive problem with clericalism at the higher levels. It is never a good sign when superiors treat subordinates with contemptuous silence – that was the business of the proud Pharisees in the Gospels, it’s not the spirit of Our Lord. Hence the reason why I said in my article that we need to pray for our priests, especially those who imagine themselves to be rulers rather than Fathers.
Laity at SSPX chapels are being poisoned with modernism/UN agendas (subtly or otherwise) & will be enslaved in the Vatican’s NWO social impact system (changing values, attitudes, beliefs, & behaviors…at the detriment of souls).
All SSPX priests (who remain) are tacitly approving the poisoning of souls by their continued silence at the pulpit re: current threats & obedience & submission to apostate leadership…leading the sheep to the slaughter. Archbishop Lefebvre said that the Church will destroy herself through obedience. Archbishop Lefebvre left the Holy Ghost Fathers when they abandoned the True Faith. He would be appalled that SSPX priests are making concessions to Rome & destroying the Faith. Current SSPX priests & laity do not have the discernment nor love for the Faith that Archbishop Lefebvre had. Can you name one priest who spoke from the pulpit in opposition to the SSPX’s invitation to attend Kilcawley’s “psychotherapy for sin” workshops aligned to the UN’s SEL (social emotional learning) that has been proven to destroy the Faith?
One of Satan’s most insidious acts is to disguise his works under the guise of Tradition. And SSPXers are enabling this. Some may speak out, but then their actions speak louder than words…approving (with their presence & finances) leadership’s direction in leading the sheep to enslavement in the Vatican’s Social Credit System. Did any of your protests against the Marriage Deals (bringing Marxist N.O. bishops in to SSPX chapels to impress young souls & sending sacramental records to dioceses) change the direction of the SSPX?
I heard that the local SSPX priest said from the pulpit that it is okay to take the vaccine if your “back is against the wall”, and then stepped down from the pulpit and announced that he would not take the vaccine. This same priest told me that my concerns about Kilcawley were unreasonable, and that if my concerns were reasonable, then there would be a mass exodus of priests and laity. So there you have it… your presence shows approval to these priests, and based on this criteria on whether something is reasonable or not, Archbishop Lefebvre’s actions are considered unreasonable by these priests since he was one of only a few who refused obedience to apostasy. He and few others are willing to flee into the desert to stay true to God, the Faith, & our baptismal promises…rejecting Satan & his works.
You do know that the SSPX is handing over sacramental records that will be put on Catholic Blockchain with Smart Contracts so that you can be used as the Vatican’s (& possibly SSPX’s) commodities in Social Impact Finance Schemes to profit the elites, which has been encouraged at Vatican Impact Conferences by Sir Ronald Cohen, the W.H.O,, and other globalists. Go ahead & remain in those seats for “Tradition” while enabling those who destroy the Christian doctrine that liberates the soul.
We’re having Vatican II-b, and sadly, those who supposedly were opposed to Vatican II-a are going along with it. Satan continues to be much more clever than laity, who rationalizes staying in a place of comfort rather than choosing to follow God into the desert.
Cathjnc
Yes, the SSPX has problems within its hierarchy, more clericalism than Modernism, but the real trick of Satan was the Bishop Williamson position and that of his fellow “Resistance” people, make no mistake about that. These are true sedevacantists, even if they won’t admit to the fact, have nothing to do with them and their bitter zeal.
The SSPX is now spreading the Revolutionary principles & work in union with the apostates to include “Trads” in their inclusive capitalism. They are no longer the lifeboat. They are the net to keep souls on the Masonic slave ship. The priests who left could not in good conscience participate in this new mission.
In the words of Archbishop Lefebvre:
“Satan’s master stroke will therefore be to spread the revolutionary principles introduced into the Church by the authority of the Church itself, placing this authority in a situation of incoherence and permanent contradiction; so long as this ambiguity has not been dispersed, disasters will multiply within the Church. […] We must acknowledge that the trick has been well played and that Satan’s lie has been masterfully utilized. The Church will destroy Herself through obedience. […] You must obey! Whom or what must we obey? We don’t know exactly.
Woe to the man who does not consent. He thereby earns the right to be trampled under-foot, to be calumniated, to be deprived of everything which allowed him to live. He is a heretic, a schismatic; let him die – that is all he deserves.” (October 13, 1974)
…and you can add to the name-calling of those who do not consent the term “sedevacantist”, which has become the key word to demonize anyone who even holds the line of Archbishop Lefebvre.
If someone simply repeats the words of ABL in disagreement of toeing the line of the new SSPX, he can expect to be called a sedevacantist (or any number of terms considered derogatory…even bitter) at the pulpit. I was labeled as such, made an example of, & demonized for being opposed to bringing in Kilcawley and his anti-Catholic methods that destroy the Faith….by an SSPX priest & cult-ish members of the Mass center. Kilcawley’s methods that the SSPX endorses is full-blown Modernism & align to UN agendas.
“The current Pope and bishops no longer hand down Our Lord Jesus Christ, but rather a sentimental, superficial, charismatic religiosity through which, as a general rule, the true grace of the Holy Ghost no longer passes. This new religion is not the Catholic religion; it is sterile, incapable of sanctifying society and the family.” (Spiritual Journey, p. ix)
Today’s SSPXers would demonize anyone who repeated the above paragraph stated by Archbishop Lefebvre.
“We are dealing with people who mix up truth and error, who live in a continual contradiction. If you read the book on liberalism of cardinal Billot, you see that the cardinal defines precisely what a liberal is: a man who is in contradiction all the time, a man who constantly contradicts himself and who lives in contradiction. He is always two-faced. And so, they are dangerous people. This is what Pope Pius IX said. Pope Pius IX considers them as the greatest danger in the church because they mislead the faithful. Sometimes, we believe that they are traditional and that they conform to the truth of the Church, and then, all of a sudden, they fall into error and lead people into error. It is very, very dangerous. They scandalize and lead millions of faithful into error.” – This describes the New SSPX & its worshipers to a “T”.
Cathjnc
I am paying a flying visit to the blog just now so have only skimmed your latest comment; apart from the intensely irritating “Trads” where “Catholics” should be, this jumped out at me…
I was labeled as such, made an example of, & demonized for being opposed to bringing in Kilcawley and his anti-Catholic methods that destroy the Faith….by an SSPX priest & cult-ish members of the Mass center.
Well, that is a disgrace. ~We ran a thread on the Kilcawley scandal and a couple of us wrote to the SSPX priests and superiors concerned, as well as to the Angelus people who hosted the event, all to no avail, so there is no question about it, all is not well in the SSPX.
As for not being the lifeboat – actually, one of our previous priests said that himself, he said that it may be that God will send some other “lifeboat” – who knows. If, indeed, that is to be the case, let’s hope it sails into view sooner, rather than later 😀
I’d urge you, though, to work at ridding yourself of the bitterness which you clearly (understandably) feel. Rest in peace (so to speak!) in the sure and certain knowledge that all those priests, including the so called traditional priests, who are causing scandal at this time, will be punished, and that severely for their betrayal. The Kilcawley scandal is in a class all of its own. I could not believe that Bishop Fellay would share a platform with that priest and allow him to address an audience which included many young people. Incredible.
You are also correct about the “cultish” behaviour of some lay people who attend SSPX churches – it’s not so long ago that I had a sound telling off-cum-lecture from one attendee for criticising priests. I (only just) refrained from informing that delicate soul that the last priest (not SSPX) who similarly criticised me has just been sentenced to 11 years and 6 months in prison for child abuse.
Laugh? I thought I’d never start!
CATHJNC,
Just a couple of observations from your posts (and I’m sorry you were demonized for standing up for the truth. Don’t forget, though, that you are in quite holy company: “And you shall be hated by all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall persevere unto the end, he shall be saved.”
1. Abp. Lefebvre was not infallible: the Church cannot be destroyed, nor can she destroy herself, as he claims. She is obviously going through her passion, as the Mystical Body must traverse the same path of suffering as Our Lord, and it may appear as though all is lost. But Our Lady of Fatima had something to say about when things reach that point.
2. The priests that I know of who have left the SSPX have mostly joined the Resistance (whose typical reference to the SSPX is to call them, like you do, “the new SSPX”) and thus they have gone from the Modernist frying pan into the bitter sedevacantist fire. Please don’t succumb to that bitterness. There are other options to consider for traditional parishes.
RCAVictor
You and I are normally of one mind on most things so it grieves me to have to differ with you regarding Archbishop Lefebvre. The Archbishop was fully aware of the divine promise that the Gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church, so any references he may have made to the destruction of the Church were merely on the human level.
Besides that, to destroy is not necessarily to eradicate. Hence if the visible universal Church on earth were to be reduced to catacomb status by the Modernists it could be said to be destroyed, yet it would not be eradicated.
Everything else in your post I agree with.
Athanasius,
I recall something I heard many years ago – that even if there was only one priest in the world saying Mass, the visible universal Church is there.
Do you agree with that idea? It seems correct to me.
MaryW52
Yes, I agree with that statement – absolutely.
Athanasius,
Thank you for clarifying that. I was startled when I read that statement and reacted instead of thinking it through. I hope CATHJNC doesn’t make the same mistake….
This is good news – debate in the Westminster Parliament came out against forced vaccines and coercion through vaccine “passports” – reported on the Lockdown Sceptics website
https://lockdownsceptics.org/
Here’s a link recommended to me by a reader – I’ve not yet read it but it looks very interesting indeed – senior prelates saying Catholics must refuse vaccines tainted by abortion…
https://catholicfamilynews.com/blog/2020/12/12/one-cardinal-and-four-bishops-teach-clearly-that-catholics-must-refuse-vaccines-tainted-by-abortion/
Editor
I have copied that linked report in a new email to the U.S. superior via the SSPX website, requesting again that he remove the contradictory Modernist advice being offered by the SSPX in this serious matter. I received no response to my previous communication and expect that this one will likewise fall on deaf ears, which is extremely worrying.
That’s great Athanasius.
I’ve just received this very worrying link in my inbox – a nurse collapses soon after being injected… I had to click the “translate to English” button but it seems to open the video, without the option to translate the text here. It was sent to me by a reader who received it from a Polish friend. The nurse is American so you can hear her speaking positively about having taken the vaccine (17 minutes previously) and then she collapses…
https://www.facebook.com/100003060726958/posts/3321912194587439/?sfnsn=scwspwa
Wow. Such a lengthy “rebuttal” and done without a single reference to any theology manual whatever (such as Prümmer, Merkelbach, Callan and McHugh, Jone, Davis etc.). Still, that is in keeping with everything else I’ve read against the vaccine, including the open letter from Bp. Schneider et al.
This is a poorly written article.
It purports to be some authoritative and final declaration on the matter, written with such clarity and certainty that it be accepted as unimpeachable. It is anything but; the subject matter is complex. There are a number of different aspects to consider, subtleties and nuances to be understood, with arguments both for and against; I’m actually scandalized that Mr. Blackshaw could write such an article in ignorance of all this.
The SSPX’s position is that of Pontifical Academy’s Moral Reflections (2005) [incidentally, Abp. Vigano accepts this as authoritative as he made clear in a Remnant interview]. The Society’s position has been the same for years viz. the taking of the MMR vaccine. Indeed, if we accept Bp. Schneider’s and Mr. Blackshaw’s proposition then a number of priestly fraternities and other traditional priests have been dispensing the wrong guidance for two decades.
To state “The crime of abortion is so monstrous that any kind of concatenation with this crime, even a very remote one, is immoral and cannot be accepted under any circumstances by a Catholic once he has become fully aware of it.” raises a couple of things:
i) The “traditional” opinion (or example) of a plumber fixing a water pipe in a hospital that performs abortions becomes unacceptable. All material cooperation, no matter how indirect and remote, is forbidden;
ii) It appears to reject Catholic moral theology which seeks to weigh certain things and circumstances when trying to judge material cooperation in a sin. For example, in this case, weighing the benefits of taking the vaccine (including not losing one’s employment) versus the taking of a vaccine produced from the cells of an aborted baby.
Again, there is no reference to any manual on moral theology it all has to be accepted at face value.
Peter.
I always stop short when I read an attack on the writing of someone such as your comment “this is a very poorly written article”. That immediately weakens your argument because Athanasius’s writing are anything but “poorly written”. Not that anyone has to have a degree in English to write an article or a blog post! I notice that you think this “poorly written” article has “such clarity”, though – LOL!
I don’t see you quoting any of the theology manuals you are blaming Athanasius for not quoting – can you quote something that says it is OK to use a vaccine which uses material from aborted babies? I’d like to know that.
No Catholic should need a theology manual to know that it is immoral to support abortion in any way. Your example of the plumber is a bit silly – that’s like saying we cannot be heart or lung patients or even visit someone in a hospital because it does abortions. The heart or lung patient or the visitor or the plumber are not supporting abortion just by being there. That’s ridiculous.
Plenty of people have concerns about this vaccine, even aside from the moral argument about the use of tissue from aborted babies. Already people are becoming ill and there have been deaths already, so why you are so keen to push the SSPX approval of it, would be good to know, if you’d like to share.
Lily
Your response is absolutely the right one – there can be no pouring over theology manuals looking for loopholes in Church teaching. This is precisely what the pro-vaccination Catholics are doing, seeking by sophistry to undermine the moral law given by God and infallible established by His Church.
I am about to post off my article and associated proofs to Menzingen in the hope that the clerical author of that SSPX article realises his error and takes it down. Thus far I have not received so much as an acknowledgement from the U.S. District to any of the correspondence I have sent, which is both appalling from a good manners point of view and indicative of deliberate misleading of the faithful from a theology/doctrinal point of view. The matter needs to be clarified and rectified with urgency.
Peter
It is the sophists who seek to change the Church’s teaching, adapting it to Modernist thought, who pour over theological manuals looking for loopholes, hence the reason why I chose to quote sound Traditional quotes from eminent prelates in my article, the simple plain moral teaching of the Church that every properly formed Catholic conscience identifies with.
Now, you write: “…the subject matter is complex. There are a number of different aspects to consider, subtleties and nuances to be understood, with arguments both for and against…”
How identical this statement is to those of Modernist prelates in Rome and elsewhere who seek to admit the divorced and remarried, the cohabiting and practicing homosexuals to Holy Communion. No, in the matter of clearly defined moral teaching there is zero discussion to be had!
You speak favourably of the SSPX as having aligned itself in the matter of vaccines with the Pontifical Academy’s Moral Reflections (2005), adding incorrectly that Archbishop Vigano approves in a Remnant interview.
In the first place you should know that such “Moral Reflections” carry no doctrinal authority whatsover and that the Pontifical Academy is now fully aligned with the globalist agenda under Pope Francis. The SSPX was founded by Archbishop Lefebvre precisely to counter potential false teachings from such Modernist institutions, not use them to re-align the consciences of Traditional Catholics with Modernist errors.
As for Archbishop Vigano, here’s an extract from a letter he wrote to Italian mothers on August 15, 2020, taking exactly the opposite position to that which you claim he takes:
“…Obviously the moral principles which form the basis for norms to be adopted in the medical field remain perennially valid, nor could it be otherwise. The Church is the guardian of the teaching of Christ and she has no authority to modify or adapt it to her own liking. We remain bewildered, however, as we witness the silence of Rome, which appears to be more concerned with promoting recycling – to the point of writing an encyclical about it – rather than the lives of the unborn, the health of the weakest, and the assistance of the terminally ill. This is only one aspect of a much wider problem, a much greater crisis, which as I have said many times stems from the moment in which the deviant part of the Church, led by what was once the Society of Jesus, seized power and made her a slave to the mentality of the world.
When we consider the new orientation of the Pontifical Academy for Life (whose presidency has been entrusted to a person who is well-known for having shown the best of himself when he was bishop of Terni), we cannot expect any condemnation of those who use fetal tissue from voluntarily aborted children. Its present members hope for mass vaccination and the universal brotherhood of the New World Order, contradicting previous pronouncements of the same Pontifical Academy. In recent days the Bishops’ Conference of England and Wales has entered this anomalous wave. On the one hand it recognizes that “The Church is opposed to the production of vaccines using tissue derived from aborted fetuses, and we acknowledge the distress many Catholics experience when faced with a choice of not vaccinating their child or seeming to be complicit in abortion,” but it then affirms, in very grave contradiction with the stated unchanging principles of Catholic morality, that “the Church teaches that the paramount importance of the health of a child and other vulnerable persons could permit parents to use a vaccine which was in the past developed using these diploid cell lines.” This statement lacks any doctrinal authority and instead aligns itself with the dominant ideology promoted by the WHO, its principal sponsor Bill Gates, and pharmaceutical companies.
From a moral point of view, for every Catholic who intends to remain faithful to his or her Baptism, it is absolutely inadmissible to accept a vaccination that utilizes material coming from human fetuses in its process of production. This has also been restated authoritatively recently by the American Bishop Joseph E. Strickland in his April 27 Pastoral Letter[4] and in his August 1 tweet…”
You can read the entire letter here: https://www.vanthuanobservatory.org/eng/12697-2/
I will refrain from responding to the final two parahraphs of your comment, yet two more sophist arguments that are not pertinent in a matter treating of infallible moral teaching. I will, however, link the following for your correction:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/on-the-moral-illicitness-of-the-use-of-vaccines-made-from-cells-derived-from-aborted-human-fetuses
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/wholly-unethical-us-personhood-org-condemns-covid-vaccines-derived-from-aborted-babies
In summation, I don’t know who you are or anything about your background but I think it fair to assume from your manner of writing that you are not a Traditional Catholic. Hence, while I can cut you some slack as perhaps a victim of poor formation in the faith, there can be no such indulgence extended to the SSPX U.S. District Superior and others given their knowledge of Traditional Church teaching.
Athanasius,
Thank you for focusing in on the “subject matter is complex…” nonsense. No, the subject is not complex, no more so than Adam and Eve’s rebellion against God’s command not to eat the forbidden fruit.
I wonder what “complexities” the Modernists would cook up to excuse Adan and Eve’s rebellion? Their parents didn’t properly teach them the Faith? They had a disadvantaged upbringing? They were hungry and couldn’t find any other food?
The only thing complex about such a starkly simple moral law as forbidding the use of cell lines from aborted babies is this: the attitudes of those who do not wish to obey.
RCAVictor
You are absolutely right – it is instinctive in the consciences of all properly formed Catholic to recognise false doctrine as soon as it appears. Before I even checked the various eminent voices of opposition I quoted in my article, I already knew that what that SSPX article advises is contrary to the divine moral law. And so it proved upon research.
regarding:
2: “A young woman who is to get married can thus receive the rubella vaccine, although such a vaccine is almost always prepared on fetal cells obtained by abortion. The reason is the danger for the child: if a woman contracts rubella during pregnancy, especially during the first trimester, the risk of birth defects – eye, hearing or heart – are significant. These malformations are permanent.”
A young woman, about to be married, can and SHOULD request her doctor perform an ELISA rubella antibody test, rather than the cheaper, quicker test normally done. When I was pregnant, my doctor did the cheaper test. He told me I needed the rubella vaccine to protect my child. I knew all about vaccine risks because I have four neices and nephews who have been vaccine damaged, so I was very concerned about taking the vaccine recommended by my doctor. I contacted the National Vaccine Information Center in VA (nvic.org). They were very cordial and informative. The woman told me that she had been in exactly the same position as I was. She took the vaccine. She immediately had a miscarriage and since then has had serious medical problems, as a direct result of the vaccine. She told me to request an Elisa rubella test. I requested such of my doctor. Thank God I listened and thank God the doctor cooperated. The test came back positive for antibodies. I did NOT need the vaccine. To this day I thank God for sending the woman into my life.
Magdalene,
Thank you for that very helpful comment and yes, thank God for s ending that woman into your life.
Magdalene
Very well said! See how Almighty God looks after those who trust in Him and are committed to following His divine law in all things? I think your Guardian Angel was doing quite a bit of whispering into your ear at the time!
Here is the latest interview with Bishop Schneider on LSN. It is a powerful reiteration of why Catholics can never take vaccines produced or tested using the stem cell lines of aborted babies. I’d sure like to know what Peter makes of this solid teaching.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/pro-death-world-powers-wish-to-use-vaccine-mandates-to-force-cooperation-with-abortion?utm_source=top_news&utm_campaign=standard
Athanasius,
You are absolutely correct all the way but the Vatican has just issued a note to say the opposite. It’s just further proof (not that we need it) that Francis is a lost cause.
https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2020/12/21/0681/01591.html#ing
Michaela.
Who can be even remotely (to use the in-word) surprised that the Vatican has come out on the side of the globalists and their alleged experts?
In any event, here’s the key fatal flaw:
3. The fundamental reason for considering the use of these vaccines morally licit is that the kind of cooperation in evil (passive material cooperation) in the procured abortion from which these cell lines originate is, on the part of those making use of the resulting vaccines, remote. The moral duty to avoid such passive material cooperation is not obligatory if there is a grave danger, such as the otherwise uncontainable spread of a serious pathological agent[3]–in this case, the pandemic spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes Covid-19.
Since 99.97% of those who become infected with this virus, recover, and that fully, there is no “grave danger.”
As they might say in the Supreme Court, no standing, not enough evidence…
Michaela
It’s as if they are completely lost to the supernatural reality of the immortality of the soul and the superior divine law governing human activity. Everything is weighed on a purely natural basis to meet the needs of humanity as though this life is all there is.
The most recent stem cell line from an aborted baby to be used in the development of vaccines in the West is apparently one from 1985. China is said to have updated already to a 2015 murdered baby. These cell lines do not last forever, they have a “shelf life” and will therefore have to be updated at some point in time. Does anyone from the Pope down really believe that future abortions will not continue to supply the demand?
At any rate, whether it was 40 years ago, 50 years ago or 200 years ago, a baby was murdered in order to produce and/or test these vaccines, they are consequently forbidden to Catholics. For, as St. Paul (I think) declares, it is never permissible to say “let us do evil that good may come of it”.
Using the same Modernist sophistry proposed by Pope Francis and others, we could legitimately call into question the Sacrament of Baptism. I mean, why should every soul require to be cleansed of a sin in which they did not directly participate, a sin that took place at the begining of time and is therefore far remote from us? That argument could then be extended to propose this evil: Was there really a need for the Redemption given the remoteness of the sin of our First Parents and our non-participation with them? See how specious and dangerous the Modernist vaccine advice is – how fundamentally perverse?
We could also argue, given this Modernist specious reasoning, that the martyrs could and should have chosen not to sacrifice their precious lives for the sake of burning a mere grain of incense before the false deities of the pagans. After all, had they complied with the demands of their persecutors under duress and with suitable objection, given that their very lives depended on it, then surely there would have been no formal sin on their part, just a material breach of the divine law at worst. Thankfully, the martyrs realised that the divine law does not exist to be eroded in such a deceitful way.
Abortion is a sin crying to heaven for vengeance – it is the voice of the slaughter of the innocents. That voice does not diminish with the passing of time, nor does the sin of participating in any way in so great an evil mitigate with the passing of time. There are options for vaccines, perfectly sound ehtical options, so no excuse.
Athanasius,
An SSPX priest says that he will say yes to the COVID vaccines on account of someone possibly losing a job etc. so can’t support a family, travel and so on. He also thinks that remote cooperation is not a problem even for recently produced cell lines, plus the fact that he dismisses the bishops who oppose the tainted vaccines.
My question is, shouldn’t the response be “don’t have the vaccine, we’ll help you”? Or such like? Wouldn’t that be the true Catholic way of thinking?
MaryW52
It’s not in the gift of the SSPX or any other Church organisation to help people who may lose jobs, etc. for refusing the vaccine, although it’s fair to state that the vaccine is not yet mandatory in that way. All the priests of God can do is echo the infallible moral teaching of the Church that vaccines tainted with abortion cell lines are forbidden to them if they value the eternal salvation of their souls.
Should the vaccine be made mandatory further down the road then we may find ourselves confronted with the same choice as the martyrs, to quote Bishop Schneider, sin or death. In any event the law of God is not open to compromise.
Thank you Athanasius.
MARYW52,
I wonder if he would have counselled the early Roman martyrs in the same way: “Of course its fine to offer incense to Caesar if it avoids losing your job or being unable to travel…”???
It seems that the loss of supernatural faith within the Church is spreading everywhere. Alas, so many of the clergy today are moral cowards who care only for saving lives in this world and are happy to lose them in the next.
Here’s an interesting article on the hierarchy’s attempts to force the faithful into vaccination. It concludes with the intriguing thought that Catholics who subsequently die or suffer disability as a result of this moral blackmail may sue the Church’s bishops for compensation.
Given the many adverse effects already linked with the rushed-through Covid-19 vaccines, including cases of anaphylaxis and death, I would definitely advise any Catholic ignorant enough to be led into sinful stupidity by these vaccine prelates to make certain to sue them for a fortune when it goes wrong, bearing in mind that human cell alteration is new and therefore the negative effects may take as much as a few years to manifest.
The pharmaceutical companies cannot be sued, they are protected by governments, but idiotic Modernist prelates can be sued for acting irrespsonsibly as promotional and enforcement agents for the Satanic the New World Order. I foresee many future compensation claims arising as a result of their emotional blackmail!
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/us-bishop-publicly-takes-covid-vaccine-connected-to-aborted-fetal-tissue?utm_source=featured&utm_campaign=standard
Athanasius,
These public shows of bravery in taking the vaccine are abhorrent in every sense. For one thing, it seems the majority of people are just lining up to be vaccinated, so why these public vaccinations by people like that (insert adjective) bishop. What is the point? His claim that he wants to show confidence in the vaccine is unnecessary (most people waiting in the wings, it seems), and – shockingly – his assertion that there is nothing unethical about taking vaccines using material from aborted babies contrasts starkly with Bishop Schneider’s statement:
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has stated in reference to vaccines that are in some way connected to abortion that one who “uses these vaccines must realize that his body is benefitting from the ‘fruits’ of one of mankind’s greatest crimes.”
Exactly!
Editor
Yes, why the desperation on the part of these Modernist prelates to lead people to vaccination? They’re nowhere to be seen when Catholics are out fighting against the murder of the innocents but right there on the front line when it comes to pushing vaccines created or tested using the cell lines of aborted babies. They are faithless individuals trying to emotionally coerce the ignorant faithful into unnecessary dangerous vaccinations.
I thought this was a useful article and chart from a pro-life organisation.
https://lozierinstitute.org/update-covid-19-vaccine-candidates-and-abortion-derived-cell-lines/
I understand the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines did not use abortion-produced cells in their design or production, but did in a part of the testing.
Is that not a significant point, in that the usage of cells from an abortion does not fundamentally underpin the existence of the vaccine? Such unethical usage enters into the matter later, either due to the choice of the researchers as to how to test their vaccine, or the decision of groups like the FDA as to what tests to mandate.
They didn’t have to use those cells for the testing phase, but found it advantageous to do so for some reason. They could have used some other means to test. For example the annual flu vaccine is developed using chickens eggs.
But does the choice of the researchers here (which I doubt is assisted by a serious moral reflection) then make the vaccine unacceptable for others, given it was only their own choice (and not the vaccine itself) which introduced a moral dimension?
If the choices of the researches do impinge on the morality of other’s actions, then does not their every sin also impinge on others like this? Indeed the argument leads on to says that anyone who has ever taken any medicine produced by a company which has used abortion sourced cells, even once, even on separate drug development, is benefiting from abortion.
As an aside I have found it quite interesting to read a little about RNA vaccines.
The linked chart above indicates several vaccines confirmed to have no connection to abortion sourced cells whatsoever and so such vaccines should become available.
(Of course the question of how ethical a vaccine is is quite separate from considering if the vaccine at all necessary, given the very low fatality rate.)
Gabriel Syme
You raise a really important point – there are indeed vaccines for Covid-19 that do not utilise the stem cell lines of aborted babies in their production. The problem is the manufacturers use these stem cell lines in testing which invalidates those otherwise ethical vaccines for use by Catholics. The underlying moral principle is that Catholics may not make use of vaccination products made or tested using the cell lines of aborted babies given the great evil that abortion represents before God and humanity. It is not a question of culpability by individuals in the process, it’s the general breach of the divine and eternal moral law.
As regards the ethical question of encouraging and/or enforcing a newly developed, largely untested and potentially deadly, vaccine, the global death toll for Covid-19 is so low that we have to conclude that it is unethical, not to mention dangerously irresponsible. Had we been looking at Spanish Flu or the Black Death then certainly there would be good grounds for widespread use of ethically-produced vaccines. But that’s not the case with Covid-19, a virus we know to be relatively harmless for the majority. It’s not about health it’s about control and other sinister objectives.
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