Covid Vaccines – Are We Guinea Pigs?

Covid Vaccines – Are We Guinea Pigs?

Media Blackout: Moderna’s FDA Report Lists 13 Total Deaths, 6 In Vaccine Group, 7 In Placebo

Spiro Skouras writes…

The Pfizer Covid vaccine is already being administered to the public in the UK and the first doses have been given in the US ahead of a mass vaccination campaign on a global scale.

It is important to recognize that the Pfizer Covid vaccine has not been approved by the FDA. It has only received Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) meaning the vaccine has not gone through the standard process to get official approval from the regulatory agency.

Now Moderna’s experimental Covid vaccine is set to get the same Emergency Use Authorization allowing the shot to be distributed to millions of people.

We have already witnessed short term adverse events (side effects) from the Pfizer vaccine. Truth is, nobody knows what the long term effects could be and it appears the public is being subjected to an experiment on a global scale.

In this report, we examine discrepancies in the FDA Moderna report that was voted on by an advisory panel. The panel voted 20-0 recommending EUA.

Some of the discrepancies include cherry picked trial participants to achieve the desired results to gain EUA. As well as 13 total deaths in the trials, 6 in the vaccinated group and 7 in the placebo. Something the media refuses to address.

Comments invited…    

Comments (127)

  • RCAVictor December 21, 2020 at 12:09 am
    • editor

      RCA Victor,

      Thank you!

      “Are we guinea pigs?” 100% YES.

      For the record, I’ll be taking that vaccine – any vaccine – exactly 25 years, 4 months, 3 weeks, 2 days and 10 hours after there is a Daily Mail headline reporting that Hell is known to have frozen over.

      I will definitely take it then… Promise…

      December 21, 2020 at 12:11 am
      • RCAVictor


        What if the vaccine comes inside a chocolate bar?

        December 21, 2020 at 12:24 am
      • editor

        RCA Victor,

        Great question. Here’s my great answer.. If the vaccine comes inside a chocolate bar, I will consider taking it exactly 25 years, 4 months, 3 weeks, 2 days and 10 hours, 5 minutes and thirty seconds after there is a Daily Mail headline reporting that Hell is known to have frozen over.

        And that’s not just a definite promise… it’s a definite maybe

        Now you know I’m deadly (literally) serious!

        What I don’t understand is that, since I believe Trump is a genuinely good person, and I don’t think for a nano-second that he would be – knowingly – part of this disgraceful medical experiment, why he isn’t somehow being informed. I know there are doctors who are well aware of the whole Covid conspiracy – there are several examples on YouTube which we’ve posted here, and they are Trump supporters, so what is going on over there, RCA Victor?


        December 21, 2020 at 10:09 am
      • RCAVictor


        Speaking of great questions, yours is another one. However, I don’t have an answer. But funny you should mention this again, because I was thinking of writing President Trump about this vaccine scandal, along with the ongoing Flip-Flopping Fauci scandal.

        Unfortunately, the scandal is complex (as the troll who questions Athanasius’ post on the SSPX vaccine position would say) (and I have a definite opinion as to who that troll is), so I think I will just keep it simple and ask him to put doctors in charge who are unafraid to expose Big Pharma and unafraid to tell the truth.

        December 21, 2020 at 4:16 pm
      • editor

        RCA Victor,

        About that troll – not this time, not any of the usual suspects. This one is from the other side of The Pond. I mean the other side from us. I mean your side of The Pond. He’s from the USA!

        In fact just about every newcomer in recent weeks has been from the USA and a few on the SSPX thread, so I did wonder if the clergy in the US SSPX district have been spreading the word and drumming up commentators to support their position. Purely speculative – I’m speculating, not least because I recently attended my opticians appointment at Specsavers … ouch! That was corny.×506.jpg

        December 22, 2020 at 1:13 am
      • Faith of Our Fathers

        I had more than a little smirk to myself Ed when on a YouTube video Gates was asked if he would be one of the first to take the vaccine .He said that ” I will wait my turn as I wouldn’t want any preferential treatment ” Whats that saying . Their are Lies Damned Lies and Statistics . Then of course their is the Truth .

        December 21, 2020 at 9:35 pm
      • Theresa Rose

        Faith of Our Fathers,

        No wonder you had more than a little smirk when Bill Gates said he wouldn’t want be one of the first to take the vaccine. What demands for the unwashed masses is definitely not for him, and by extension his cronies.

        I came across this rather long article on what Klaus Schwab wants the future to be like – Transhumanism and more. I wish he would join Bill Gates in taking that blasted vaccine.

        December 21, 2020 at 9:54 pm
      • editor


        I thought you were gong to end with “lies, damned lies and statistics… Then, of course, there is Bill Gates”!

        I meant to answer you on another thread when you were telling us about your sleepless night(s) – how terrible. That’s a real suffering.

        I’m glad you have an in-person appointment with your doctor – I am hearing more and more stories about people who are in pain, whether through toothache or medical problems, with no appointments available. It’s disgraceful what they are doing to us while pretending to be caring about our health.

        The only good news is that (I’m told) more and more people are waking up to what it actually going on, and I heard one SNP supporter today on a radio broadcast saying he’ll never vote SNP again – he is totally aware of what this is all about – and it is NOT all about a virus. He said he’s watched in astonishment as Nicola Sturgeon has become more and more dictatorial. “Join the club”, I said, but I don’t think he heard me.

        So, let’s pray that more and more people waken up and smell the totalitarian danger, before it’s too late.

        December 22, 2020 at 1:20 am
      • Faith of Our Fathers

        Ed thanks for that your a we Treasure whereas Wee Nippy is now a complete Tyrant . I now have no car the reason that I say this is because I now use the Bus after having gotten my OAP Bus Pass . This is what happens as you probably know anyhow, but those with Breathing Problems mostly ones who took in more Nicotine than Oxygen throughout their lives are Exempt .Now I know that this is a Chinese Politically motivated Disease and its real .I also know that it can and does Kill but I along with Many Millions know that we have a cure and its not being used Except am 100% certain by the so called Elete, and it wouldn’t surprise me 1 bit if it is also in the Hands of He Who Would Be Pope either .Especially after watching him cuddle up to The Rothschild Family in the selling off of Parts of The Vatican. Francis the Man who called Money ( not The Love of Money)as being The Devils Dung . But by God he doesn’t mind it seems being in the thick of it .Anyhow I digressed as usual as going back to the Bus situation . I was on a Bus 2 Days ago their were probably 8 on the Bus 4 with Lone Ranger exempt certificates yet the other 4 off us were treated like Tonto .So whats the point of Half wearing Masks and the other Half have no need for them. Yet obviously if they have Lung or Breathing Problems surely their more at risk of The Chinese Disease than us wearing Masks it makes no sense .Unless Of Course They Don’t Have Any Ears .

        December 22, 2020 at 12:44 pm
  • RCAVictor

    It’s very puzzling (to a person with no medical or scientific background, like me) why, in both the Pfizer and Moderna trials, the placebo group experienced higher deaths than than vaccine group. I thought a placebo was a harmless concoction of a saline solution, or something like that.

    Perhaps Elizabeth, our resident nurse, could explain this.,..

    December 21, 2020 at 12:23 am
    • Elizabeth

      Sorry Victor, I have no knowledge about this. As far as I know placebos are harmless but do we know what these people actually died of? Ie what symptoms they presented with?

      December 22, 2020 at 8:51 am
      • editor


        This turnaround is what puzzles me hugely.

        When people presented with heart disease and were hospitalised, their death was attributed to Covid.

        Now when people present for the vaccine and subsequently die, their death is presumed to be caused by some other underlying cause.

        And there are still those who wonder why some of us are highly suspicious of the whole virus business!

        December 22, 2020 at 11:18 am
    • James

      There was an post by William Briggs (a statistician) at “FDA Releases Pfizer COVID Vaccine Safety Data: Should You Take It?” on the 10th December

      Detailed and a bit technical, but he explains matters very well.

      One of his readers commented on the difference between the vaccine and the placebo group. (Please note that he has a tolerant commenting policy, and some of his commenters can be somewhat colorful.)

      December 22, 2020 at 11:49 pm
      • RCAVictor


        Thanks for that link, I haven’t looked at Briggs’ site in a long time. This comment was especially relevant:

        “It is my understanding that the placebo is often NOT something like saline solution or distilled water, but is EVERYTHING IN THE VACCINE except the active ingredient purposed to induce a immune reaction.

        Thus, one is fully exposed to adjuvants, strerilants, preservatives etc present in the real thing. This has been the approach with vaccines and other injectables previously, as attempts by big pharma and conspirators CDC/FDA so on to soften the perception of danger with said injectables.”

        December 23, 2020 at 2:26 am
  • Faith of Our Fathers

    Good early Morning to you Ed . I Hardly had a sleep last night due Not To Covid Old Strain or New Strain but to Prostate Problems of which i was too much of a Coward to demand a Face to Face Appointment now due this Wednesday as I kept letting the Doctors Receptionist Pan me off far too easy . A Doctor Friend of my Brothers who works Private during the Day and does Night Calls told me in no uncertain terms to be Blunt with them and if I didn’t get an Appointment to get back to Her and She would make sure I got 1 Herself. The reason am saying this is HOW many 1000s are in the same position as myself and who should have had an Appointment at least 10 Weeks ago but because of all this Covid BS have been unable to get past as my Brothers Doctor Friend called Rottweilers . Sorry for the rant but I went to Bed at 10 and that’s me up for 1st time 2 Hours Sleep. So I read your Guinea Pig Article and I say 100% that we’re being used as Lambs to The Slaughter. The Evil Ones are pushing through this Vaccine and that Vaccine when their is a Safe Tried and Trusted Medicine Ivermectin which the F.D.A. will not approve because there is not enough Money in it for Gates . Soros. Sachs Etc Etc . Please try and watch The Short YouTube Video of Doctor Kory Pierre crying in The Senate trying to get this Safe 98% Effective Medicine Approved. Am no good at posting links but if you watch this Short Video you will see this Good Man pleading with the Powers that Be . Corrupt totally from Top To Top . God Bless going to try and get more Sleep as am up at least 6 Times in a Night it’s wearing Me Down. Sorry for the rant and going off Topic just needed to let off some Steam . Hope you Forgive Me .
    James. D .

    December 21, 2020 at 12:38 am
  • Easter worshipper

    Where did you get that info pls? C

    December 21, 2020 at 2:08 am
    • editor


      I’m guessing that your question if directed at Athanasius – I tried to find the 1 hour video of the lawyer who speaks about Nuremberg and is currently preparing a class action lawsuit against all those involved from the World Health Organisation down, but it’s not appearing on a quick search on YouTube – it’s on this blog in several places, if you take time to browse a little.

      In the meantime, I came across a short interview with him which is important in itself…

      December 21, 2020 at 10:23 am
      • Michaela


        I just wish he’d get on with it and take the case to court. What’s keeping him back?

        December 21, 2020 at 7:07 pm
    • Athanasius

      Easter Worshipper

      If it’s me you’re asking the question of then here’s a link that lays out the Nuremburg Code and its implications regarding the present vaccine experiments on people around the globe without their consent.

      Secondary to this is the lockdown mentality which also breaches the Nuremburg Code since lockdown is a novel experiment in social engineering that has been brutally enforced.

      December 22, 2020 at 1:15 pm
  • Athanasius

    What they are doing breaches the Nuremburg Protocols and restores the experimentation of Dr. Mengele on a global scale. Puting aside the moral issue of these vaccines having utilised at some stage the stem cell lines of aborted babies, this new mRNA technology is cell altering. Once your body cells have been altered there’s no going back, it can’t be reversed and it’s for life. NOT A CHANCE!

    December 21, 2020 at 2:12 am
    • RCAVictor


      I’m not entirely sure about this, but this business about the body’s immune system attacking itself, courtesy of an mRNA vaccine, reminds me of AIDS, where the exact same thing happened, I believe.

      Could it be that this common thread is more than just a coincidence, given that a death cult is in charge of the medical profession?

      December 21, 2020 at 4:21 pm
      • Athanasius


        I think it’s more about big pharma making money and running vaccines off the assembly line before they are properly tested. Recall the Swine Flu vaccine rolled out across the U.S., for example, it killed more people than the virus and subesequently had to be destroyed. It’s just big business for these people and the governments protect them with laws that they can’t be sued.

        December 22, 2020 at 1:08 pm
    • Catherine


      this is awful. People are taking this thinking it is a good thing. Possibly, even my whole family but they won’t listen to me.

      December 23, 2020 at 1:40 pm
      • Athanasius


        I agree, it is awful. Mind you, if people will not listen to reason or research the facts for themselves then I say they deserve everything that’s coming to them. One cannot play with fire and expect not to get burnt.

        December 23, 2020 at 5:35 pm
  • editor

    The Dictator Matt Hancock is warning that this “new” strain is “out of control” – and that we are in this for “the long haul”. I just wish the German lawyer (see above) would hurry up and get this into a court of law – if, that is, he can find one that is not corrupt…

    December 21, 2020 at 10:30 am
    • Athanasius


      Hancock is a barefaced liar, the new strain has been acknowledged and reported on since September – there is not the slightest evidence to suggest that it spreads faster or is more toxic than the normal virus. He knows this but is using the new strain argument to lockdown London and other places over Christimas. He is one criminal individual who needs investigated for links to Bill Gates, big pharma and other financially interested parties.

      December 22, 2020 at 1:19 pm
    • Faith of Our Fathers

      Ed we all know that this Chinese Disease was Fabricated in a Laboratory and sent out to Poison most of The World . Now absolutely Nothing is being said of the Evils of the C.C.P. who knows maybe Pope Francis himself has given them Absolute Absolution . Back when this Chinese Virus began to rule our Lives I must admit I posted lots on here in defence of the so called Rules for not catching it and I must confess, I was Afraid of catching it .But I was more worried about My Daughter and Her Man and my Grandchildren than myself .Now again of course I don’t wish to catch this Disease but have and will not watch anything on The Rotten TV my license is up anyhow and most certainly will not be getting renewed .My messed up Brain is bad enough without listening to the Total Garbage from the M.S.M. Corrupt just about sums up the Whole lot of them .

      December 22, 2020 at 6:30 pm
  • Josephine

    The media are still asking Neil Ferguson for his opinion. Why would they do that? He is a doom and gloom person who didn’t keep his own rules, and now he thinks we need a lot more draconian rules. He really has some nerve. They’re calling him Professor Lockdown.

    December 21, 2020 at 12:28 pm
    • Athanasius


      Why indeed? We may well ask why the media also refers to a career fraudster with early onset dementia as “President elect” of the United States!

      December 22, 2020 at 1:22 pm
  • cbucket

    I’ve been thinking a lot about Psalm 23 recently (I think technically that is Psalm 22, Psalm 23 is the protestant version) It reminds me of a hymn we used to sing at my north London catholic school many years ago.

    It definitely feels like the valley of the shadow of death at the moment; not so much for the virus but more for what the modern day committee of public safety have planned for us all.

    December 21, 2020 at 12:34 pm
    • RCAVictor


      “the modern day committee of public safety…”

      Those words are well-chosen! The French Revolution was a Masonic plan, and so is the Great Reset.

      December 21, 2020 at 4:25 pm
    • Michaela


      That’s lovely.

      I always thought it was Psalm 23 but I’ve just checked my Douay Rheims bible and you are right – it’s Psalm # 22.

      December 21, 2020 at 7:09 pm
  • wendy walker

    Carrie Madei D.O. has gathered V-Safe Active Surveillance Data for the effects caused after taking the COVID-19 vaccine.
    Can any reasonable person argue her credentials and or contend against the data obtained. Thought not so pay attention!!!
    DO NOT TAKE THE VACCINE…/slides-12-19/05-COVID-CLARK.pdf Dr. Madej, such a kind, compassionate lady. It’s clear that you took your Hippocratic Oath seriously!! May God bless you always. We need more doctors/researchers like you. ONES WHO CAN’T BE BOUGHT BY MONEY because YOU ANSWER TO A HIGHER CALLING FROM GOD!! 🙏👇
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    December 21, 2020 at 2:16 pm
    • Michaela

      Wendy Walker,

      I’m very glad to see those Tory MPs calling for Matt Hancock’s resignation. I copied this bit from that report – it shows, I think, that government has broken down, Parliament is being ignored and the likes of Hancock hand the clueless “experts are running – ie. ruining – the country:

      Speaking to the BBC yesterday, Sir Charles said: “I suspect the Government knew they were going to cancel Christmas on Wednesday and Thursday when they were still telling the House of Commons they planned to press ahead. I think many colleagues find that extremely egregious. The Christmas period was passed into law by the House of Commons in a vote after a debate. The view of most colleagues was that to be changed, another vote would be required in the House of Commons.

      “The Government, in my view, knew on Thursday, possibly even Wednesday, that they were going to pull the plug on Christmas but they waited till Parliament had gone.

      “That, on top of everything else, is a resigning matter. I am not asking for the Government to collapse. I am asking for a secretary of state to take some responsibility.”

      Thanks for posting that- I’m actually relieved to know that some MPs are keeping watch like this.

      December 21, 2020 at 7:06 pm
  • RCAVictor

    This article claims that VP Mike Pence’s vaccination shot was faked. I must admit, it looks rather suspicious:

    And, as if to confirm the scam, he says, after it’s over, “I didn’t feel a thing!” I noticed 2 things about the shot: one, the doctor’s hand obscured the needle, and two, he pushed the plunger in way too fast to be a real shot.

    December 21, 2020 at 11:41 pm
    • editor

      RCA Victor,

      I’d be very disappointed in Mike Pence if he faked that vaccination – I did wonder when he said he didn’t feel a thing. Who doesn’t feel a needle being pushed into the arm?

      In any case, the very fact that these public figures feel they need to be vaccinated on live TV does not instil confidence in me, one bit. The very opposite. If there is no problem with it, why is it being treated like some kind of celebrity vaccine instead of like every other vaccine – you know the ones which have caused serious side effects and even death in many recipients.

      Just a thought…

      December 22, 2020 at 1:06 am
      • RCAVictor


        These vaccination shows will indeed make people (those who are still capable of thought, rather than those who are intimidated by fear-mongering) more suspicious. The ruling class knows full well that these vaccines are not wanted, but they are so detached from reality as to think that an obviously fake demonstration of “trust” is anything but.

        December 22, 2020 at 6:24 pm
    • Faith of Our Fathers

      If that is the case Victor and i have NO reason to doubt You .Has Pence also instead of a Vaccine took His 30 Pieces of Silver before he rides off into the Sunset .Personally i was never a great or even half decent fan of His when i knew He had sold the Jerseys turned His back on the One True Faith and joined the Evangelicals .

      December 22, 2020 at 3:57 pm
      • RCAVictor


        If Pence was indeed rewarded with 30 pieces for taking a faked shot, then I’d say his name is very appropriate, if you catch my drift….

        December 22, 2020 at 6:21 pm
      • Athanasius


        I think it was the real vaccine he took and that disappoints me more given that Pence was a Catholic before he apostatised. Trump and the others at least are fairly ignorant of the cell line argument, not being informed Catholic, but Pence knows the truth.

        December 22, 2020 at 9:06 pm
  • Theresa Rose

    How many doctors are being censored for daring to tell of every and any medication that works well against this corona virus? And there is such medication which has been spoken of in other threads. Here is another doctor who says so, and, condemns the push and use of the vaccine to our detriment.

    December 22, 2020 at 10:26 am
    • Margaret USA

      Here in the U.S., Dr. Mercola is being censored on FB. Check out and subscribe to his newsletter. He’s really on top.

      December 23, 2020 at 4:21 am
  • Theresa Rose

    The plot of using this Covid-19 vaccine continues, and, from Michael Matt, another scourge from Klaus Schwab is his warning about the internet. (Something he and his cronies want to control).

    December 22, 2020 at 10:40 am
  • westminsterfly

    Please can we pray the following prayer for the likes of Gates, Schwab et al, and all the enemies of Christ and His Church.

    Most Holy Trinity, through Mary, Immaculate Mother of God, I offer to Thee the Infinite Love of the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, from the first moment of His Incarnation, till His last Sigh upon the Cross, and as it will continue through all Eternity, in atonement for the anti-God campaign throughout the World, and for the conversion of all those who partake in it. Amen. (Cum permissu superiorum).

    December 22, 2020 at 11:21 am
    • Margaret USA

      Our Lord Himself dictated this prayer to Sr. Mary of St. Peter.

      The offering of the instruments of the Passion to the Father to defeat the Communists, and to divide and conquer all revolutionary men

      Eternal Father, I offer Thee the Cross of Our Lord Jesus Christ, and all the instruments of His Holy Passion, that Thou mayest put division in the camp of Thine enemies, for as Thy Beloved Son hath said, ‘a kingdom divided against itself shall fall’.


      Madame Editor, is it possible to boldface the prayer?

      December 23, 2020 at 4:17 am
  • westminsterfly

    I didn’t become a Catholic until I was 24, and I had all the usual childhood vaccinations before that, during the 1960’s and 1970’s. In those days there were no ‘vaxxers’ and ‘anti-vaxxers’ – you were just made to stand in a queue at school and rolled up your sleeve when it was your turn! I remember having one I think was called a ‘BCG’ – several jabs in one go. Not that I can do anything about it now, but it’s made me wonder whether any of these vaccines I had were made from aborted foetal cell lines?

    December 22, 2020 at 12:30 pm
    • Athanasius


      It is highly unlikely that any vaccines you were given in the 60s and 70s were made from aborted foetal cell lines since they only started to experiment with them around that time – far too early for general public application. But even if vaccines you received were based on this horrible science you are completely free of any guilt in the crime by reason of invincible ignorance.

      December 22, 2020 at 1:30 pm
    • Faith of Our Fathers

      I also remember a decade earlier at School going to the Dreaded School Dentist whom am sure were without a doubt the most Sadistic People in the Land .In fact after a trip to one these Travelling Torture Chambers they just had to pull a teeth or 2 or 3 .In fact am sure they were on Piece Work. IE the more teeth pulled the higher their wages I got a bad infection after being treated once and landed in Glasgow Royal Infirmary .I was kept in for 4 Days observation and the Nurses were lovely . Although I was only 7 at the time my Everlasting memory of those 4 Days was 1 Beautiful Nurse who said that Shed like to take me Home and gave me an enormous kiss and cuddle when I left .I actually cried when I was taken in, but I cried more when I left . The other memory is ( remember this was 1957 ) that it was the first time I realised that for the First Time that real Toilet Paper Existed rather than the Old Evening Citizen .

      December 22, 2020 at 3:47 pm
      • Athanasius


        As Editor is wont to say – you are a case for the high court!

        I laughed heartily at your reminiscences because they sound familiar, though I was a 60s baby. My experiences with dentists was generally good, I have to say, except for one occasion when I was given gas to put me out while they extracted a tooth. I still remember the smell of that rubber mask on my face, the window begining to waver up and down as I dropped off and the horrible feeling when they woke me up. Not pleasant.

        As for the Royal Infirmary, I did Glasgow’s on a regular basis for head wounds. I was always splitting my head open – four sets of stitches around the top area and one set of stitches across the eyebrow. The great thing about it was the sympathy I used to get on the bus on the way home. People would say “oh, poor wee soul” while lavishing me with sweets and money. It was worth the pain! Sadly I don’t remember any particularly beautiful nurses, but they were all so kind. I was fortunate to escape the nurse Deisel’s!

        The outside toilets and alternative forms of toilet roll were a common feature of life back then. The young don’t know they’re living today. Still, I wouldn’t swap my childhood for anything, it was happy and carefree.

        December 22, 2020 at 4:22 pm
  • Fidelis

    I am just stunned to learn that the Pope has approved the use of vaccines using aborted foetus tissue. That is just disgraceful. I’ve read the facts about the Church’s moral teaching, especially by Athanasius, on the blog and thank God for that. Otherwise, if we were depending on those who are supposed to teach us and keep us right about these things, we’d be out in the cold.

    I keep saying nothing this pope does will ever surprise me then I get another surprise! God help us all.

    December 22, 2020 at 8:40 pm
  • Athanasius


    Here’s the latest condemnation of making use of such vaccines from an exorcist priest.

    December 22, 2020 at 9:03 pm
  • RCAVictor

    I’m not going to post the link, but Father Z has now agreed with the CDF on these morally impermissible vaccines. What a disgrace.

    December 22, 2020 at 11:40 pm
    • James

      Yes, I was disappointed. He posts the full statement from the CDF.

      The CDF statement says: “In this sense, when ethically irreproachable Covid-19 vaccines are not available … it is morally acceptable to receive Covid-19 vaccines that have used cell lines from aborted fetuses in their research and production process.”

      It then provides some support for people who do not find the vaccine acceptable: “At the same time, practical reason makes evident that vaccination is not, as a rule, a moral obligation and that, therefore, it must be voluntary.”

      But then it says “Those who, however, for reasons of conscience, refuse vaccines produced with cell lines from aborted fetuses, must do their utmost to avoid, by other prophylactic means and appropriate behavior, becoming vehicles for the transmission of the infectious agent.”

      The priority is clear: material self-preservation. But then, what else should we expect the priorities of a group of middle-aged and elderly men, living in comparative luxury, to be?

      December 23, 2020 at 12:20 am
    • Heloisa

      Sadly, there are a lot of people in agreement with this on 1P5 (and other sites), and some are extremely insulting (to put it mildly) to anyone who disagrees with them. I presume that’s their opinion on the statements by Bishops Schneider and Strickland as well! “Traditional’ Catholicism seems to be splitting in two over this issue.

      December 30, 2020 at 1:58 am
      • Athanasius


        Potential side effects from these various vaccines is really a side story for Catholics considering that all are forbidden under the moral law from receiving them. I am not aware of a single vaccine produced that has not used the cell lines of aborted babies somewhere along the way, be it in production or testing, hence it is outlawed despite what the SSPX has sadly advised on its U.S. website.

        Here’s my response to that tragice development:

        December 30, 2020 at 2:47 am
      • heloisa

        Athanasius, I haven’t mentioned side effects so not sure why you wrote that. That said, I think it is extremely important that Catholics such as yourself (I’ve read your article) post more widely on the ‘Traditional’ Catholic websites and their comboxes, in order to counter the (in my opinion) mind-bending exercises which both clergy and laity are performing in order to fall in line with the idea that yes actually, we can make use of these vaccines; there’s suddenly a moral imperative to protect everyone, including not being a possible ‘carrier’ for the virus if one refuses the vaccine on moral grounds, so presumably it’ll suddenly become a sin for such a person to make contact with anyone else?

        Strangely, many of the people pushing this line are those who elsewhere usually appear staunch Catholics. Many appear completely unable suddenly to have even a reasoned discussion about the matter – is fear of death an issue here? Heaven knows. I’ve used many of your points myself in places, but could do with barrage balloons for protection. Is this what we’ve come to?

        I would like to link to your article in many places but would like your permission first, because I can imagine the response there’s likely to be and the Editor may not appreciate that – neither might you yourself. I don’t have the theological/bioethical background needed to fight this – as I’m being told again and again: “Please leave the moral theology to others with a better handle on it.” is one response.

        An emotional response is understandable apparently but VII teaching suddenly trumps everything even for people who yesterday thought VII was a massive mistake. Seriously, one couldn’t make this up! So I would urge those of you who do have that necessary background to engage in other comboxes more frequently in order to fight this and on other issues in general, also.

        December 30, 2020 at 10:09 am
      • heloisa

        Actually, having written the above, I would say that yes, fear of death is definitely a serious issue here. We have become accustomed, Western society in particular, to having a vaccine or treatment for so many illnesses and diseases which in other ages would have carried off or seriously compromised large sections of the population, that we can’t really cope with the idea that we ourselves would might suddenly be at similar risk if we stopped using these vaccines and drugs. The idea makes us feel helpless.

        I’m sure it is coming as news to most people (myself included) that many other vaccines etc. are similarly compromised, so we may well already unwittingly have used such vaccines. This does throw up many new questions and problems and is extremely uncomfortable morally, because if we can’t morally accept the Covid Vaccine, can we get all the kids vaccinated against all those diseases likely to carry them off, if there’s no ethically acceptable vaccine available? So it’s understandable that a lot of people are in panic mode over this and frantically searching for a way out of what amounts to an ever-tightening noose.

        December 30, 2020 at 10:32 am
      • Athanasius


        I largely agree with Editor’s observations about other Catholic websites and blogs, be they Traditional, Modernist or somewhere in between. I very rarely comment on any such blogs these days, having either found myself being moderated or excluded altogether for writing inconvenient truths.

        The Catholic Truth blog is the only one that allows a truly educational exchange of views about the faith and the crisis without moderating or banning. What happens here is that if someone posts a comment about the faith that is erroneous then others will answer in the spirit of correction. Only trolls who make their bad intentions perfectly clear, or people who are deliberately and consistently uncharitable, get moderated or worse, but not before the courtesy of a warning.

        What you have experienced on various sites, most notably LifeSiteNews, is common for all of us; it indicates that most of these outlets are being run and moderated by people who have a particular viewpoint that they are not prepared to see questioned, or at least not prepared to allow to upset their less-Traditional readership.

        I found this to be the case many years ago with Fr. Z, during his anti-SSPX days. I was banned from his site for posting perfectly sound comments that he clearly found troublesome to his conscience.

        The same can be said of Rorati Caeli. To this day I have no idea why all communications from me go unanswered, even the email I sent to one of the moderators offering condolences and prayers when a parent died was not answered. Despite some personal attempts by me to discover via email communications why I am so disdained, I have never received the courtesy of a response.

        Michael Matt at the Remnant is not nearly so rude, yet there have been occasions when submitted articles for publication have not been published or responded to. In fact the CT article I linked for you in my previous comment, the one that raises questions about the SSPX advising in favour of vaccines produced or tested using the stem cell lines of aborted babies, is the latest example of how even the Remnant selects what to publish or respond to depending on who the truth might upset. The Remnant, as you know, has a lot of SSPX readers, including myself.

        Now I have to acknowledge here that Michael Matt has generally given me a platform for my articles over many years, but it is nevertheless disappointing and discouraging to realise that if any take issue with those considered to be leading lights in Tradition then they simply get binned. This is not what I call a balanced and objective defence of the Catholic Faith. There’s an unwholesome bias there when it comes to publishing truth.

        Bottom line is I’m much less inclined these days to comment on sites other than Catholic Truth for the reasons given. I wouldn’t mind so much if the editors and moderators of these others would at least communicate with me, as charity demands, but even that basic courtesy is now absent as charity, like faith, diminishes.

        If I do comment on blogs, it’s more likely to be secular blogs like Newsmax, etc., where there’s more hope of sowing some Catholic seeds, carefully worded, among the general populace. I find this more satisfying and less likely to suffer moderation on the grounds of who it might upset.

        That may sound a little strange given the censorship on public secular blogs, but believe me when I say it’s not as much hard work as trying to post a Traditional Catholic view on some Traditional Catholic blogs that may result in people having to confront a particular evil within their own ranks.

        As regards vaccines, I think too many people are too concerned about their bodily health these days than the health of their soul, which is all that truly matters.

        I have never received a vaccine in my life, voluntarily or otherwise, but I would say right off the bat that those who were given vaccines without knowing how they were produced or tested have nothing morally to worry about. We only sin when we have knowledge of the sin and wilfully participate in it, for whatever reason.

        This brings me to the Covid-19 vaccines, which are absolutely forbidden to all Catholics who have knowledge of the stem cell use of aborted babies. The argument of remoteness in time and urgent need is bogus, it’s called sophistry.

        The bottom line is that if Catholics use these vaccines then they effectively confirm and encourage the medical and pharmaceutical industries in a sin that cries to heaven for vengeance, the murder of unborn children to profit others. Only when all Catholics say no to these vaccines will those who live for profit make the decision to find alternatives that do not include cell lines for aborted babies. Objecting to their evil while benefiting from it is utter hypocrisy that will only succeed in perpetuating this crime against humanity. Besides this, the Covid-19 virus is not nearly dangerous enough to human beings to warrant mass vaccination.

        Let me just say at this point that I lost my young sister at age 28. She was perfectly healthy all her life but developed acute lymphoblastic leukaemia and was dead in a month. Medical science and big pharma couldn’t prevent her death, in fact they hastened it by pumping her body full of toxic chemicals they call Chemotherapy. These people have no clue and cannot be trusted. There is no doubt in my mind that more will be harmed or killed by their poisonous vaccines than will be helped by them.

        No thanks, I will live and die refusing the concoctions of these experimenters. Look what they did with Thalidomide and with the Swine Flu vaccine. The latter killed and disabled so many it had to be withdrawn and destroyed. These are the people who are behind contraceptive methods that cause cancers and thrombosis, not like the old days when medical ethics forbade experimental science on human beings. Different days so we trust in God and take only what is proven by decades of testing and use, such as Hydroxychloroquine, a great anti-viral that they suppressed because it is cheap to buy.

        The upshot of it all is that we trust in God and put the health of our soul before that of the body, like the martyrs did. Use only what is tried and tested in a moral and ethical way and reject everything else for the good of both bodily and spiritual health.

        December 30, 2020 at 4:42 pm
      • heloisa

        I’m not sure how to answer you, Athanasius, to be honest. With respect, I think your reply reveals exactly why I posted here, to suggest that more people with the relevant background knowledge persevere on other sites. I think we all have faced tirades, been banned or found secular sites easier to handle (yes, atheist trolls are often much more polite and easier to discuss things with), but you are preaching here to people who firstly are already converted, so to speak, and secondly, whom you know are going to agree with you in the main. The martyrs you mention would have been out amongst the heathens in the midst of the fight, regardless of how many knock-backs they received. Wouldn’t you agree?

        Lifesite? Banned so use a different identity and carry on. The Remnant? Have had comments deleted numerous times simply because I’ve disagreed with some moderator – and I find them all unspeakably sarcastic and frankly unpleasant often, which helps no-one, least of all those genuinely looking for help and guidance in this mess. So we take a break as necessary and carry on.

        Anyway, the Editor has said I can link to articles, including your own, so I will do that and hope it bears some fruit – more likely brickbats, or silence, but we’ll see!

        As far as the vaccine issue is generally concerned, I personally think it’s a mistake to lump the abortion-related vaccine argument in with general vaccine issues, because the latter are much more a medical issue. It isn’t sinful to use vaccines and drugs which are not, to our knowledge, unethical. Mixing in our personal opinions on whether vaccines in general are a good or bad thing, and on whether people should undergo chemotherapy etc just distracts from the abortion issue here, which is certainly a grave sin.

        Relating my own personal experiences (believe me, bad) of the NHS which has completely failed plenty of people I know, most of whom are now dead, would have no real bearing on whether Alder Hey/the NHS has the moral right to refuse Alfie Evans and others continuing treatment etc.. or to kill them directly. The latter is concerned with morals and ethics (which should be governed by God’s Law); the other is concerned with the medical world practicing bad medicine and giving very bad medical care, which should be dealt with as medical malpractice by secular law. And yes, I know there are plenty of areas where the two might overlap.

        So I would ask you, and other, to reconsider your decision to stay away from other sites. After all, if Christ had avoided all places where He might face opposition, and stuck to those where people were already well-disposed to Him, He wouldn’t have got very far, would He? Would He ever have left Our Lady’s side?

        December 30, 2020 at 5:52 pm
      • editor


        I can’t give the kind of detail response to your latest comment that I would like to do, but I will simply correct one or two of your misconceptions, in this brief reply…

        Firstly, you are very wrong to assume that Athanasius or anyone else here is preaching to the already converted – that is very wide of the mark.

        You forget that as well as bloggers we have readers. Many of them, every day and from every part of the world. People in every profession and none read this blog, as well as quite a few students, so please do not underestimate the extent to which we are able, with the help of God’s grace, to help inform people about the state of the Church at this time of crisis. More than one reader has attributed their reading of this blog, to their decision to turn to the Traditional Latin Mass, for example. I remember being pleasantly surprised to discover this first hand some years ago in our church tearoom where I had approached a small group (turned out to be a family) standing alone, in order to welcome them. Asking if they were new to the TLM and this church, they replied in the affirmative. When I than asked how they had come to choose the TLM, the reply sent my spirits soaring: “We’ve been reading the Catholic Truth website/blog”.

        We are dealing with souls, not mere arguments, so that is the sort of information which delights me.

        Indeed, one priest rang me, again some years ago, to say that he followed our blog as well as the Telegraph Holy Smoke blog where there were always hundreds of comments. “Hundreds” he repeated, but none of the quality you find on the Catholic Truth blog.

        Anyway, I don’t really feel I need to justify our existence – and anyone who blogs here (including, of course, Athanasius) knows they are free at any time to contribute elsewhere. I know Athanasius does, as I have done myself, but I cannot commit to blogging elsewhere on a regular basis.

        To be frank, those, like your good self, who are engaged elsewhere should be regularly posting links to our threads – regularly; meaning all the time. That would be more productive than trying to get us to work overtime or even to poach some of our bloggers!

        As to the vaccines part of your comment – a general thread on the topic is well overdue, actually because of the over-trusting nature of the UK population which this Covid-19 business has highlighted.

        To spell out what I mean, it is unintelligent not to want to know what is being pumped into our body whether or not it contains aborted baby material. As an adult, I have always said “no” to vaccines; once the nurse said she didn’t know what the ingredients were – in answer to my enquiry – and that she just “trusted the experts”, I replied, to her apparent shock, that I did not. End of. That was well before Covid-19 came on the scene.

        Just imagine the stuff I’m omitting from this “brief reply” 😀

        December 30, 2020 at 7:20 pm
      • heloisa

        It’s OK, I’m well aware that your readership is considerably larger than than the number of comment contributors, and I certainly wasn’t trying to suggest that anyone should stop writing here. However, if you know of anyone (plural preferably) who does have a good theological background and who might be persuaded to give some input elsewhere, please encourage them. I’ll certainly start posting links to you.

        How’s that for brief!

        December 30, 2020 at 7:42 pm
      • Athanasius


        You may have recently heard that the MMR vaccine is produced or tested using the stem cell lines of aborted babies, so it is of the utmost importance that all medications be checked for ethical production before use.

        Besides that, the list of possible side effects with almost all medications, some of them potentially life threatening, makes pharmaceutical medications a last resort in most cases. In the case of those using stem cell lines it’s a permanent no regardless of circumstances.

        December 30, 2020 at 10:54 pm
      • editor


        Some years ago, I actually closed this blog down with the aim of encouraging others (and myself) to devote our time to commenting on the better known blogs. This proved to be a mistake because we were blocked and banned all over the place. Any sign of orthodoxy (I slightly exaggerate!) never mind mentioning the Traditional Latin Mass or criticisms of the liturgical abuses evident in the new Mass, saw to it that our comments were not published. Hence, we re-opened this one.

        I have no problem at all with you publishing links to this blog – that would be great. And I have no doubt whatsoever that Athanasius will say the same. So feel free to do that. Where we find trolls appearing – that is, those with a hostile agenda, they will be seen off, but that does not mean that we do not welcome genuine questioning, those who seek answers. There’s a difference between the latter group and troublemaking trolls. In time, they make clear to which camp they belong.

        As for engaging in other sites as well as this one – I simply do not have the time, apart from the occasional contribution. It takes me all my time to keep up with this one.

        I know that Athanasius – despite being an extremely busy person both at home and at work – does try to engage when he can elsewhere. He will reassure you on that point, I have no doubt, when he next appears here.

        As for your point about vaccines generally – I know parents who have concerns and refuse to have their children vaccinated, having studied the matter very carefully.

        There’s a reason, remember, why the term “anti-vaxxers” was coined – same reason as the term “conspiracy theory/theorist” was coined. To make those of us who question and go against the tide, look like extremists.

        One of those parents asked me some time ago to launch a thread on vaccination, in general terms, and I’ve yet to do so. This request came way before this Covid-19 exercise with accompanying vaccine, so I must put that onto my “to do” list asap.

        December 30, 2020 at 10:53 am
      • heloisa

        Thank you for the reply. I think the problem about being banned for TLM and Orthodox posts no longer exists, at least on The Remnant (obviously), 1P5 and LifeSite. In general.

        I say ‘in general’ because policing of comboxes is pretty bad and there is a lot of trolling which is openly allowed on at least one site by the owner, on the grounds of encouraging deep discussion. A lot of strange postings even on the Remnant sometimes which are left online. Attempts to counter them can lead to unpleasantness (I’m being polite here).

        So whilst one is not likely to be banned, one can be subjected to tirades from all sides, including from the Orthodox and the not-so Orthodox. I have, however, been banned from Lifesite for paraphrasing the bible in response to the American Bishops recent statement. I have emailed and asked why (3 times) but no response. The last time I was banned for quoting the Bible in respect to s*****y and Elton John was by the Daily Mail. Straight quote, no ad hominem comments. So can’t really win anywhere!

        So I would still say that more people, especially those with the necessary background need to participate, especially now. I know time is a problem for many; I have plenty of time but can’t argue from the theological stance etc.. Most of all, one just needs to be prepared to grit one’s teeth and fight back. A couple of posts a week from a few people would make a substantial contribution in total.

        December 30, 2020 at 2:33 pm
      • RCAVictor


        You might find this just-published (Dec. 8th) book very helpful regarding vaccines. It is written by a Traditional Catholic and biologist. I haven’t read it yet but I plan to, since the author is a fellow parishioner and she’s going to get on my case if I don’t!

        December 30, 2020 at 3:58 pm
      • heloisa

        Thanks for the link!

        December 30, 2020 at 6:00 pm
      • heloisa

        Out of interest, have the two local SSPX Priests in Scotland commented on the SSPX statement?

        December 30, 2020 at 6:02 pm
      • editor

        I believe so.

        December 30, 2020 at 7:25 pm
      • heloisa

        That one’s TOO brief! Can their comments be found online? Are they in agreement with it?

        December 30, 2020 at 7:43 pm
      • Athanasius


        One priest announced from the pulpit that it is not permitted for Catholics to receive the Covd vaccines from stem cell lines. He didn’t mention the SSPX USA advice, but presumably knew about it and rightly contradicts it.

        December 30, 2020 at 8:50 pm
      • heloisa

        That’s good to know, thanks. Which Priest was that, if you don’t mind telling me? Not to worry if you do mind!

        December 30, 2020 at 10:01 pm
      • editor

        Where, Heloisa, did you say YOU attend Mass and which priest, if any, made an announcement about the vaccine and what, if anything did HE say?

        December 30, 2020 at 10:03 pm
      • editor


        I don’t always hear the announcements and sermon. I tend to be taken up in mystical contemplation a lot of the time. That and the poor sound systems – my own and the one installed in the church – means that I don’t always hear everything. Or, to put it a tad more accurately, I hardly ever hear anything! I play catch-up with my family later and I recall a mention of the vaccine NOT being acceptable to Catholics. Deo gratias.

        I take you don’t attend the SSPX churches in Scotland? So, what did they say where YOU attend Mass?

        December 30, 2020 at 9:26 pm
      • heloisa

        I don’t attend – I follow SSPX online advice (confirmed by one of the Carluke Priests) to stay home etc. So no idea what the local N.O. Priest has or hasn’t said, but would suspect the answer would be not a lot, unless it confirmed Bishop McGee’s comments in his pastoral letter, which I’ve just flicked through. I can’t cut and paste from it so, although I’m sure you yourself will probably have read it, for the benefit of others who may not have, here it is:

        I usually rely on SSPX advice and teaching etc for matters if I need to clarify something, which is why their vaccine statement has disturbed me somewhat – quite a lot, actually).

        December 30, 2020 at 10:23 pm
      • Athanasius


        Any particular reason why you don’t attend SSPX Masses?

        December 30, 2020 at 10:48 pm
      • Athanasius


        You know the old adage when it comes to naming names in public: “say nothing, act casual”! He’d probably be moved to Swaziland if I named him, so let’s err on the side of caution.

        December 30, 2020 at 10:49 pm
      • heloisa

        That’s fine.

        December 30, 2020 at 10:58 pm
      • heloisa

        No TLM is within accessible distance – seriously!

        December 30, 2020 at 10:59 pm
      • Athanasius


        Well, God knows that can’t be helped.

        December 30, 2020 at 11:10 pm
      • Athanasius


        Believe me when I say that after 30 years of writing in the public domain I find that most people pay scant attention. Sometimes the comments on blogs are coming in so fast that your contribution vanishes out of sight in about 5 minutes and is therefore missed by most.

        I have also written several times to the SSPX superior in the U.S. quoting authentic Catholic sources that show their advice to be erroneous and dangerous. I am still awaiting even the basic courtesy of a response. Of course you know that I will not receive one!

        December 30, 2020 at 10:59 pm
      • RCAVictor


        I just posted the link to this new vaccine book on another reply, but my post disappeared, so here it is again:

        As for 1P5, I stopped reading that site almost 2 years ago. The owner posts some very strange statements and thus is not solidly formed, and since I’m not either, I decided to narrow my blog reading to ones whose subtitle is “Solid Formation Here.”

        A subtitle which, coincidentally, happens to be Editor’s middle name…

        December 30, 2020 at 4:03 pm
      • editor

        RCA Victor,

        You’ve obviously been reading this again…

        December 30, 2020 at 4:24 pm
      • heloisa

        “The owner posts some very strange statements”. Well, if you haven’t visited for a couple of years I can tell you that those statements have evolved into some very suspect articles! Interspersed, to be fair, with somewhat more Orthodox ones.

        December 30, 2020 at 5:58 pm
  • Scots Padre

    One can not wonder do they have any faith. Do they know of/believe in hell?

    December 23, 2020 at 1:42 am
    • Athanasius

      Scots Padre

      If we are to judge by fruits, as Our Lord admonishes, then no, they do not have the faith and they do not believe in Hell. Everything about them screams of naturalism, and naturalism is the religion of Freemasonry. I believe there is a very high apostate count in the hierarchy.

      December 23, 2020 at 5:02 am
      • Margaret USA

        A freethinker told St. Padre Pio that he didn’t believe in hell. The Saint told him: “You will when you get there!” Whereupon the man was so frightened that he went to confession…

        December 23, 2020 at 5:06 am
      • Athanasius

        Margaret Mary

        The old adage is “Hell is full of people who didn’t believe in it”. Seems like a common sense conclusion to me.

        December 23, 2020 at 5:10 am
      • Margaret USA

        Thank you Athanasius

        Btw, I’m Margaret USA 🇺🇸 , not Margaret Mary. 😉

        December 23, 2020 at 5:12 am
  • Margaret USA

    My former pastor died during the Moderna trials.

    This was Nov. 23, shortly before he died:

    This is after he passed away:

    Our Archeparchy newspaper (Pages 15-24):

    I was shocked when I found out that he died. His official cause of death was a heart attack, although I suspect that this trial had something to do with it as well.

    Please pray for the repose of his soul.

    Eternal memory!

    December 23, 2020 at 3:27 am
    • Athanasius

      Margaret Mary

      I am saddened to hear of the death of Fr. John Fields and I will remember him in my prayers. It’s difficult to say for sure if the vaccine trial had anythng to do with his heart attack – he didn’t actually look like a man in good health to begin with.

      What troubles me more than the cause of his death is that he participated, like so many other Catholic priests and prelates who should know better, in the trial of a vaccine that was tested using one of the stem cell lines from a murdered baby. While I’m sure he meant well, his good intentions on that occasion were greatly misplaced. It is my sincere hope that he was ignorant of the morally forbidding nature of this product, as some are. Anyway, we need to just pray for his soul and leave the rest to God in hope.

      December 23, 2020 at 5:22 am
      • Margaret USA

        Thank you Athanasius.

        I don’t think he knew about it being derived from aborted babies. He was a strictly by-the-book person, always going by official sources. (He was a barrister (lawyer) before becoming a priest.)

        God bless you and keep you safe.

        Margaret USA 🇺🇸

        December 23, 2020 at 5:28 am
      • Athanasius

        Margaret USA

        We must of course give him the benefit of the doubt in this matter and just pray for the repose of his priestly soul. But is it not a terrible sign of the times when a priest and former lawyer has no clue about this Satanic business of aborted stem cell lines in vaccines? Sad indeed.

        God bless you and yours. Wishing you a very happy and holy Christmas.

        December 23, 2020 at 5:29 pm
      • Margaret USA

        Well said, Athanasius.

        The saddest part is that he died without the Sacraments.

        Wishing you and your family a blessed Christmas and Happy New Year.

        From Christmas to the Presentation of Our Lord we greet each other like this:

        Greeting: Christ is Born!

        Reply: Glorify Him!

        Margaret USA 🇺🇸

        December 23, 2020 at 6:06 pm
      • Athanasius

        Margaret USA

        I hope your country has the happiest of New Years with Trump exposing the fraud and overturning the fake election.

        December 23, 2020 at 9:30 pm
  • Antoine Bisset

    This is from the RT (Russia Today) website. Interesting that Russia is now more Christian than us, though maybe not as much as Poland and Hungary.
    But a lot more than the Pope?

    So that’s all right then. (Although I’d like to know why the theological/ethical argument is now reversed.)

    December 23, 2020 at 12:10 pm
  • RCAVictor

    Here’s Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. making a powerful plea for sanity, while exposing the big picture (he also mentions Nuremberg):

    (I hope he doesn’t have throat cancer – his croaking voice was on display earlier this year in a debate with Alan Dershowitz about vaccines. He doesn’t sound good.)

    December 24, 2020 at 7:15 pm
    • editor

      RCA Victor (and all!)

      This is an accelerating crisis – there is just no sign of an end in sight and yet this gem from Lockdown Sceptics proves that the whole thing is a scam…

      Here is the really terrifying thing though – a friend said the other day that when he tells people that the recovery rate of those who become infected with Covid-19 is almost 100% (99,97% to be precise) the people he tells don’t care. They prefer to “stay safe” – they are just so terrified of death, even as the remotest of possibilities (from this virus) that they prefer to give up their freedom rather than take the slightest risk of catching it. Imagine if they’d realised years ago that thousands die every year from the ordinary flu – goodness, this would be a land of hermits by now!

      As Sir Desmond Swayne MP said a few weeks ago that’s a very dangerous lesson to give any Government…

      December 28, 2020 at 9:40 am
      • RCAVictor


        As Athanasius has pointed out, this irrational fear of death from an ordinary flu is proof that people have been knocked off their supernatural moorings (that is, if they were ever tied to the dock to begin with), and have made themselves easy prey for the Devil, whose middle name is fear.

        To make matters worse, the supernatural has also been abandoned by the Catholic Church, in her profaned liturgy, obscured doctrine, effeminate and utterly corrupt clergy, and now in the COVD accidentals of face masks, face shields, sanitizers, socially distanced pews, choir-less Masses…

        That is, even the Catholic Church seems Godless.

        I don’t have the slightest clue as to how to reach these people – Catholic or not – who have been possessed by fear. Maybe “possessed” is a clue: we need national exorcisms by faithful clergy. Better yet, we need the Consecration, a planetary exorcism.

        December 28, 2020 at 3:45 pm
      • editor

        RCA Victor

        This Italian priest, based in Ireland, needs to do the rounds of the Parliaments of the UK as well – this might restore that missing sanity…

        December 28, 2020 at 4:29 pm
  • RCAVictor


    Not to mention the US Supreme Court and Congress! Did you notice this among the comments?

    “Ireland is one of the most evil and spiritually filthy places on the face of the earth.”

    December 28, 2020 at 5:20 pm
    • editor

      RCA Victor,

      That is so shocking. But I’m not surprised. No names, no pack drill, but there is a blog in Ireland where priests conduct conversations which are straight from Hell. They live in a swamp of filth and evil, apparently seeing it all as perfectly normal. It is disgusting in the extreme.

      So, once “Catholic Ireland” is no more Catholic than Saudi Arabia, I’m sorry to say. Far from it. Indeed, if anything, that quote provided by you, is probably an understatement.

      December 28, 2020 at 7:44 pm
  • Lily

    As for the headline to this topic – yes, we are definitely being used as guinea pigs.

    I’m not going to take this vaccine under any conditions. There are people having bad side effects from it, it was far too rushed. No way am I taking it. I think it’s actually criminal (and I mean that) to give out this vaccine when it cannot possibly have been properly tested – that takes years and years.

    December 30, 2020 at 9:56 pm
  • Athanasius

    This Polish military doctor, formerly under Communism, knows his stuff. The linked video is a bit difficult to concentrate on due to the speaker’s strong Polish accent but well worth the effort. He’s a convert to Traditional Catholicism from Communism and he knows his stuff. This public talk before a Traditional Catholic audience has resulted in his being suspended by the Wyoming State body for which he works – he will doubtless lose his job as a result. Surely that alone merits listening to what he says.

    December 30, 2020 at 11:17 pm
    • editor

      Shocking – I’ll look forward to watching that video asap. Surely there must be some legal avenue open to this doctor – and others – who are unjustly sacked.

      Unfortunately, most contracts of employment include a very dangerous statement to the effect that any employee may be sacked if he/she “brings the [organisation/profession] into disrepute.” Devious and dangerous, it has been used against many who refuse to toe the party line at any given time in any given scenario. Devious, dangerous and disgraceful. Professional Associations and lawyers should be onto this injustice.

      December 30, 2020 at 11:51 pm
      • Athanasius


        I agree about the devious clauses in contracts that can be used to support a sacking. Thankfully the doctor hasn’t been sacked yet, just suspended while an investigation is carried out. It sounds like a foregone conclusion, though.

        December 31, 2020 at 2:54 am
  • Theresa Rose

    I have just come across this article titled – ‘Bill Gates and his second genocide’. He was/is a big donor to planned parenthood, one way to help reduce the world’s population. Now of course his next step is to use vaccines to increase that reduction (via a faster mode of action).

    We have in history seen how genocide was carried out by Nazism. Now, this new genocide will be on a global scale.

    January 4, 2021 at 10:31 am
    • editor

      Theresa Rose,

      That looks very interesting – I will study it properly later. Many thanks for posting.

      January 4, 2021 at 10:50 am
  • editor

    A young 41 year old woman died in Portugal two days after being vaccinated – Pfizer vaccine

    The evidence is already mounting, then, that this vaccine is not safe.

    January 6, 2021 at 9:42 am
    • Laura


      This is what happened when they rushed through the Swine Flu vaccine, they gave it to health workers first and many were disabled as a result.

      It’s a disgrace that this virus is costing so many lives, but not through the virus itself. When will people learn that this is not what we are being told it is?

      Reading those two reports about the bad effects and even death caused by these newly produced vaccines, I’m all the more determined not to have it when I’m called. I’ve already had the letter telling me I would be contacted to go for it, even though it is “not a quick fix” and we would still need to keep to the restrictions “for the foreseeable future”.

      January 6, 2021 at 9:49 am
  • editor

    Saturday, 16/1/21… From Wendy Walker’s latest email circulation…

    Doctors who explain clearly why vaccines aren’t safe or effective.

    1. Dr. Nancy Banks –
    2. Dr. Russell Blaylock –
    3. Dr. Shiv Chopra –
    4. Dr. Sherri Tenpenny –
    5. Dr. Suzanne Humphries –
    6. Dr. Larry Palevsky –
    7. Dr. Toni Bark –
    8. Dr. Andrew Wakefield –
    9. Dr. Meryl Nass –
    10. Dr. Raymond Obomsawin –
    11. Dr. Ghislaine Lanctot –
    12. Dr. Robert Rowen –
    13. Dr. David Ayoub –
    14. Dr. Boyd Haley PhD –
    15. Dr. Rashid Buttar –
    16. Dr. Roby Mitchell –
    17. Dr. Ken Stoller –
    18. Dr. Mayer Eisenstein –
    19. Dr. Frank Engley, PhD –
    20. Dr. David Davis –
    21. Dr Tetyana Obukhanych –
    22. Dr. Harold E Buttram –
    23. Dr. Kelly Brogan –
    24. Dr. RC Tent –
    25. Dr. Rebecca Carley –
    26. Dr. Andrew Moulden –
    27. Dr. Jack Wolfson –
    28. Dr. Michael Elice –
    29. Dr. Terry Wahls –
    30. Dr. Stephanie Seneff –
    31. Dr. Paul Thomas –
    32. Many doctors talking at once –
    33. Dr. Richard Moskowitz – censored
    34. Dr. Jane Orient –
    35. Dr. Richard Deth –
    36. Dr. Lucija Tomljenovic –
    37. Dr Chris Shaw –
    38. Dr. Susan McCreadie –
    39. Dr. Mary Ann Block –
    40. Dr. David Brownstein –
    41. Dr. Jayne Donegan –
    42. Dr. Troy Ross – censored
    43. Dr. Philip Incao –
    44. Dr. Joseph Mercola –
    45. Dr. Jeff Bradstreet –
    46. Dr. Robert Mendelson –
    47. Dr Theresa Deisher
    48. Dr. Sam Eggertsen-

    Hundreds more doctors testifying that vaccines aren’t safe or effective, in these documentaries….

    1. Vaccination – The Silent Epidemic –
    2. The Greater Good –
    3. Shots In The Dark –
    4. Vaccination The Hidden Truth –
    5. Vaccine Nation –
    6. Vaccination – The Truth About Vaccines –
    7. Lethal Injection –
    8. Bought –
    9. Deadly Immunity –
    10. Autism – Made in the USA –
    11. Beyond Treason –
    12. Trace Amounts –
    13. Why We Don’t Vaccinate –

    9 hour court case

    Documentaries… 💉

    1. Vaccination – The Silent Epidemic(2013)

    2. The Greater Good – (2011)

    3. Shots In The Dark -(2009)

    4. Vaccination The Hidden Truth -(1998)

    5. Vaccine Nation – (2008)

    6. Vaccination – The Truth About Vaccines –

    7. Lethal Injection –

    8. Bought – (2015)

    9. Deadly Immunity – (2005)

    10. Autism – Made in the USA(2009)

    11. Beyond Treason – (2005)

    12. Trace Amounts – (2014)

    13. Why We Don’t Vaccinate –

    14. Autism Yesterday – (2010)
    Sent from my Huawei phone

    January 16, 2021 at 12:41 pm
  • editor

    Further to the above email, this one has just arrived in my inbox – I think I will need to post a fresh vaccine thread asap.

    Norway has registered a total of 29 deaths among people over the age of 75 who’ve had their first Covid-19 vaccination shot, raising questions over which groups to target in national inoculation programs. Read the full story at this link…

    January 16, 2021 at 4:01 pm
  • Laura

    This video from Lifesitenews is very interesting indeed, to put it mildly.

    January 16, 2021 at 5:56 pm
  • wendywalker95 January 17, 2021 at 5:15 pm
    • Athanasius


      Duly signed.

      January 17, 2021 at 5:43 pm
  • editor

    Well, this morning I received my letter from NHS Scotland giving me an appointment to receive the vaccine. My appointment has been scheduled for 11 February, Feast of Our Lady of Lourdes, can you believe!

    Hence, with confidence I rang the number on the letter and selected “re-schedule” the appointment from the options, since, strangely, there was no option to cancel. 😀

    I was greeted by a very friendly female voice, asking for my preferred appointment date to re-schedule. When I said that I didn’t want to re-schedule but to cancel because I do not want to take the vaccine, she accepted that without any hesitation or attempt to persuade me to change my mind.

    So, my prepared firm albeit polite short and sweet speech was not necessary, after all. Deo gratias!

    I feel very relieved – contrary to popular opinion, I do not relish battles. I just hope and pray that I’m not put on a “banned” list, prohibited from conducting necessary business because I don’t have a “health passport”.

    I’m entrusting that to Our Lady of Lourdes…

    January 26, 2021 at 11:07 am
    • Athanasius


      My mother got the phone call about it and politely declined. The woman on the other end of the phone accepted that without question. Too many people are rejecting this vaccine so I foresee mandatory vaccination being the next piece of godless legislation.

      January 26, 2021 at 11:21 pm
      • editor


        I heard from a friend this evening who also received her letter today. She definitely doesn’t want it, but her family is pressuring her to take the vaccine.

        How come it’s important to allow Euthanasia so that people can make the choice of whether to live or die, based on the “quality of life” argument, but that same argument is cast aside when someone in their older years chooses to live but not take a vaccine? Makes no sense. Seems the “my body, my choice” mantra represents a highly flexible principle.

        January 27, 2021 at 12:01 am
      • Athanasius


        I sincerely hope your friend doesn’t amke the fatal mistake of allowing herself to be talked into this vaccine by someone else. She should tell the other person to mind their own darn business.

        January 27, 2021 at 12:41 am
      • editor


        Thankfully, I’ve just heard, she made her own decision and cancelled the appointment. Unlike my own experience, however, she said they wanted to know why. So, it looks like it’s hit and miss, depends on who you encounter on the other end of the phone.

        January 27, 2021 at 10:39 am
      • Athanasius


        Glad to hear that news, although they had no right to ask why she was refusing. Still, good news.

        January 27, 2021 at 5:38 pm
  • editor

    The video posted on YouTube featuring Dr Simone Gold has been removed for violating their terms blah blah. It is posted instead on Remnant Tv – here it is…—the-truth-about-the-cv19-vaccine?channelName=RemnantTV

    January 26, 2021 at 10:37 pm
  • Catherine

    I have just this minute received a message from a friend, informing me of “excellent news from the Council of Europe (CoE) the world’s leading human rights organisation”. It sounds like this news is saying that people should not be forced to take the vaccine or be punished for doing so by restricting them from services. If I have misunderstood this, please enlighten me. See link below:

    January 29, 2021 at 4:46 pm
    • editor


      There’s a lot of reading in that link but I skimmed it and found, at 7.3. that your interpretation is correct: below, the relevant extract, addressed to Governments –

      7.3 with respect to ensuring high vaccine uptake:

      7.3.1 ensure that citizens are informed that the vaccination is NOT mandatory and that no one is politically, socially, or otherwise pressured to get themselves vaccinated, if they do not wish to do so themselves;

      7.3.2 ensure that no one is discriminated against for not having been vaccinated, due to possible health risks or not wanting to be vaccinated;

      Let’s hope that instruction carries weight, and can be enforced to make sure that rogue Governments (like ours) do not charge ahead with discriminatory action anyway.

      January 30, 2021 at 10:47 am
      • RCAVictor

        Catherine and Editor,

        That, combined with the latest news from Merck that I posted yesterday, makes me wonder whether that international team of lawyers we’ve been waiting to hear from is making a few waves behind the scenes. Both these reports are very recent.

        January 30, 2021 at 4:18 pm

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