Feast of St John Ogilvie… And The Next Archbishop – What Does Glasgow Need?
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The Videos…
Neither of the above videos is absolutely accurate; in the first video the presenter omits the saint’s words when he threw his rosary into the crowd just before he was hanged: “If there be here any hidden Catholics, let them pray for me but the prayers of heretics I will not have.” Completely un-ecumenical…
And in the second video, the claim that St John Ogilvie died for religious freedom, for the right to practise whichever religion we choose, is totally false. It is an insult to God who has revealed that He wishes to save us through the Church which Christ founded on earth. Contrary to the statements in the second video, John Ogilvie SJ died for offering Mass when it was against the law of the land: “It was a capital crime to offer Mass in Scotland. So they kept interrogating him, “have you said Mass in the king’s domain?” ‘Of course I have, is that a crime?’ They said, “yes, it is.” ‘Prove it.” Click here to read more… It’s shameful that we have to search to find the true story of John Ogilvie from the pen of an American Jesuit, while the Scot in the above videos feels the need to water it down…
Future Archbishop of Glasgow…
Following the death of Archbishop Philip Tartaglia, there has been quite a bit of speculation about who might succeed him in the archdiocese.
Reports reaching us from all over the place are a cause for concern. Apparently, the nuncio is asking for opinions about two current bishops, namely the Bishop of Galloway (William Nolan) and the Bishop of Paisley (John Keenan); the nuncio is curious, it seems, to find out whether either of these two bishops would be considered worthy of this office.
Unfortunately, the nuncio did not ask Catholic Truth. We’d have replied: “No! Neither!”
I’ve just been reading Bishop Nolan’s thoughts on lockdown and online Masses. Clearly, Bishop Nolan would not make the changes necessary in Glasgow, if the Church here is to be revitalised. It would certainly be a case of the “same old, same old” modernism…
Bishop John Keenan of Paisley, then? Absolutely not! Suffice to say that we’ve been approached – over a period of many months now – by a number of reliable sources seeking publicity for scandals involving Bishop Keenan. More than that I will not say at the present time – nor should anyone else, please and thank you.
The only name which springs to mind in the context of a possible new Archbishop of Glasgow is Bishop Stephen Robson of Dunkeld, but since he’s not in the best of health, that seems unlikely. Like the rest of us, he’s not perfect but he does seem to possess a level of doctrinal, liturgical and moral orthodoxy that is lacking just about everywhere else in Scotland.
If you can think of someone you’d like to see become Archbishop of Glasgow, feel free to share your thoughts, but remember, this is not a gossip shop – we are hoping to be given a sound archbishop, who will preach orthodoxy and take practical steps to restore the traditional faith and liturgy. A good sense of humour would be a bonus 😀 To answer the question in the headline – that is what Glasgow needs after many years in the spiritual, religious, liturgical and moral wilderness. On this Feast of St John Ogilvie SJ, then, let us pray for this intention, and if you can think of anyone who fits the bill, tell us…
Happy Feast to one and all!
Comments (16)
A bishop who is open to changing his mind would be a good start. Archbishop Vigano and Archbishop Vitus Huonda appear to be such bishops. They began as a more neo-Conservative types, and gradually came to Tradition.
Miles Immaculatae,
I don’t know who Archbishop Vitus Huonda is, but I definitely agree that someone like Archbishop Vigano would be great for Glasgow. That’s why we won’t get someone like Vigano, more’s the pity! We need someone who is very aware of the terrible state of the Church and Vatican, someone who is willing to be unpopular. I can’t see it happening just yet.
I agree that Bishop Robson is the only prelate in Scotland right now who has any sense of orthodoxy, it’s just a pity he resides in Dunkeld.
The rest of the Scottish bishops are about as Catholic as the grand Imam of Glasgow. These would almost certainly perpetuate the church lockdowns and/or silly mask and sanitiser rules, which represent a great sin against the faith and a total absence of true charity, by which I mean the supernatural virtue. They would continue to humiliate the Church by making it subservient to State legislation as a “non-essential” entity in society.
No, I would rather Glasgow was left without a new Archbishop than that any of the present crop of Scottish prelates, Bishop Robson excepted, be raised to that office. Truth is, none of them are actually fully Catholic in the Traditional sense, they’re all Modernist subversives.
Simple enough. We need a bishop who will order their priests to open the churches, carry on with services, and admit anyone who wishes to attend without restriction or conditions.
Addendum. I’ve just looked at Bishop Nolan’s newsletter? Bizarre. “How do we monetise this?” Not, how do I save souls by video?
Antoine Bisset,
That shocked me, as well. I could not believe that he would put that first on his list, without thinking anything about it. It shows how far gone these prelates are – no self-awareness of how they are coming across like worldlings.
Dear Editor and Athanasius,
“It’s just a pity he he resides in Dundee/Dunkeld”
Not as far as we are concerned!!
I know you only mean well —- but!
However I recognise your dilemma, but there must be some candidates among the lower ranks. What about the Canon from St Aloysius who is joining the high court action to ‘re open church worship?
He seems to fit the bill.
The way I see it is that if there was a really sound priest in Scotland who “fits the bill”, we would know about him and he wouldn’t be popular. As it is, I can’t think of anyone. Even the Bishop of Dunkeld is only well thought of because he has allowed one of his priests to have a traditional Mass in his parish and the priest is entitled to do that anyway, thanks to Summorum Pontificum. If I’ve missed something about Bishop Robson, please let me know but that isn’t enough, IMHO, to make him a good choice for Glasgow.
The priest who wrote the open letter to the Scottish Bishops (Father Dunn) would be one such priest but he wouldn’t stand a chance purely because he’s a sound priest. It’s incredible the way everything is upside down these days.
Lily,
I agree with you. Bishop Robson is not 100%, I remember someone on here saying that when a parishioner complained about a priest returning the Blessed Sacrament/Tabernacle to the centre of the sanctuary, Bishop Robson ordered him to put it back (to the side, presumably).
If he’s as traditional as people make out, then he must be too full of human respect to be the right choice for Glasgow. We need a strong person of character, as well as strong in the faith.
I forgot to say “happy feast day to everyone at CT!”
I agree that we could do with someone like Archbishop Vigano in Glasgow, but who? It seems to me that we need to pray to Saint John Ogilvie for help in finding the right choice for Glasgow. As Margaret Mary says – ‘A strong person of character, as well as strong in the faith’.
Happy feast day to everyone at CT.
The Scottish bloggers could always try what I did last year when our bishop submitted his resignation: write a letter to your Nuncio recommending someone. Of course, you’ll have to grovel a bit and assure His Excellency of your unworthiness as a layman to make a suggestion, but having done that you could proceed to soft-pedal (or entirely suppress) your choice’s orthodoxy and highlight his progressive qualities, in order to appeal to the current regime.
Here is a template to adapt for your own purposes:
“Your Grace,
I hope Your Lordship will forgive any offense I have incurred, as a layman, in overstepping my bounds by suggesting a candidate for the new Ordinary of the Diocese of Glasgow. I would like to submit Father ______ for your consideration.
Father has clearly demonstrated his unwavering commitment to the most pressing issues of the day: climate change, open borders, universal brotherhood and universal vaccination. For example, he turns off the rectory and parish air conditioners during the heat of the day, and rides his bicycle on local errands, to decrease his carbon footprint. He has regularly exhibited the most gracious hospitality to the ever-growing number of military-aged males from the Middle East who have come to Glasgow to settle here peacefully. He has attended several Black Lives Matter protests in solidarity with the oppressed. He has already taken both Pfizer COVID-19 shots, and repeatedly called on his parishioners to do the same as their moral responsibility. Why, during Lent he even fills his Holy Water fonts with sand imported from Iran!
Father is highly respected by the followers of all religions, including atheists, Theosophists, feminists and Freemasons, and was recently appointed chair of our local ecumenical group to emphasize our commonalities and accompany each other on the path of brotherhood.
As you can readily see, Father would be ideal as the new Archbishop of Glasgow. However, I would urge that his selection be made with all due urgency, since the number of his remaining days on this earth is unknown due to his having taken the COVID vaccine.
I remain, your humble servant,
CT blogger”
(PS: I never received a reply to my letter, and we are still waiting for a new bishop…)
RCA Victor,
I think your idea of writing to the nuncio is a very good one – I’ve often heard it said that we get the bishops we deserve because we don’t do that.
And I know your “letter” is satirical – very comical – but you have hit on something important there. It would be along the lines of being “wise as serpents”, if not exactly “simple as doves”, to highlight generally admired qualities in a proposed candidate, rather than write about his orthodoxy, leaning toward tradition etc. Emphasising his caring pastoral outreach and his concern for the environment would work wonders. No need to spell out that by reaching out you mean he’s ringing round trying to build numbers for his traditional Latin Mass or that he replaced the hard dining room chairs in the Legion of Mary meeting room with a few comfy leather chairs… The environment is the environment, init?
I’m thinking of a priest I met many years ago; he was the first priest I ever heard saying that the loved being a priest. Hadn’t a Catholic thought in his head, but still, he meant well. He’d have made a great bishops because he had that essential quality in a good bishop – he was obedient! If he’s reading this, only kidding 😀
But, you’ll get my drift. Find a priest who is easy-going, and put his name forward. Make sure he knows that you wrote to the nuncio, and before you know it, you will be his chief adviser – and before he knows it, he’ll be running a traditional parish!
RCA Victor, I did just what you suggested some years ago regarding a new bishop for Aberdeen. Quite a few people suggested the same man too, he was duly chosen, and we’ve all lived to rue suggesting such a weak ,vaccillating un-Catholic man. Mind you thest are just as bad except bishop Robson.
First off ED ad like to ask all on here Do We Need an Archbishop of Glasgow . We know for a Fact that it will certainly be one of The Francis Mold of Imagine all the people living life in peace ,a sort of John Lennon type guy .Or God forbid even worse a Vladimir Lenin type of Guy .I don’t know what kind of Palace the last Archbishop lived in but am sure it is of The Royal Variety so its just going to be more expense and less Catholicism probably .Of course I could be wrong but I think of Glasgow just now and cannot see what Difference another Kumbaya Leading Catholic will make especially to us .As for the Videos of St John Ogilvie, its actually incomprehensible that Anyone with a smidgen of Catholicism would think that St John Ogilvie was Hanged for religious freedom in Scotland .In fact around about the time that he was Canonised I and probably many other Catholics working in the Glasgow area were still being persecuted at work for Our Faith . In The West of Scotland it has changed a little ,but to say that Catholic Bigotry especially, is still not alive and thriving would be a Lie .
This thread is now closed to comments, with sincere thanks to everyone who contributed to it.
St John Ogilvie, pray for Scotland!
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