Defence of Latest Vatican Attempt to Kill Traditional Latin Mass – Convincing?

Defence of Latest Vatican Attempt to Kill Traditional Latin Mass – Convincing?

From the YouTube platform…

The Vatican recently released new regulations for the celebration of Mass in St. Peter’s Basilica. These guidelines limit when priests can celebrate the Mass in the Extraordinary Form (the pre-Vatican II Mass rite) and also aim to increase participation of the faithful in these Masses. How can we understand these changes in the light of the Second Vatican Council’s liturgical reforms? Dr. Massimo Faggioli of Villanova University joins “Inside the Vatican” host Colleen Dulle to put these changes into the larger context of liturgical reform since Vatican II.


Note  (among many gaffes) that the long-term aim of this latest unconscionable attempt to banish the TLM is more or less clearly stated as erasing it from the memories of all those who favour it today. Indeed, we are described, contemptuously, as “fans of the old rite.”  Then, laughably, the “disunity” which has emerged in recent years is blamed on the TLM, not the destructive novelties which were introduced after Vatican II.  Talk about “upside down” – i.e. the diabolical disorientation foretold at Fatima in 1917.  

Whatever – is this latest attempt to eradicate all memory of the traditional Latin Mass likely to succeed, where the multifarious previous efforts have failed?  I’m in the “no way, get lost” camp.  What about you?  

Comments (43)

  • Faith of Our Fathers

    ED i listened to that Guy for exactly 14 Minutes and this Video should be going Viral. For if ever their was an Absolute cure for Insomnia then hes it. What a load of rubbish from a so called learned Man. Going on about Fans for Latin Mass, his Language was more in line with an Inter Milan Football Supporter. As i have said i thank this site for leading me back to The Latin Mass the Mass as we know of all Ages and this to me is what The Modernists dont want. Also and as Hughie Green used to say” And I mean this most sincerely ” The Acting Pope should NOT have a say in this, as Non Catholics had enough of a say in the 1960s.

    April 17, 2021 at 7:59 pm
    • editor


      I’ve said it before and I’ll no doubt say it again, you would be the star of the Edinburgh Fringe Festival if only you’d apply. Having said that, you wouldn’t be on the “Fringe” for long – you’d be all over the mainstream news as the best comedy act since sliced bread (so to speak!) 😀

      April 18, 2021 at 12:07 am
      • Faith of Our Fathers

        Thanks for the compliment ED but I think that the best Comedy Act especially on the Religious Circuit is the Man In Rome Dressed in White . I seen actually on –Work of God Word of God — web site where he says ” Pagans Blood runs through the Very Veins of Christ ” I tried to find it again but cannot. I mean even Martin Luther, or any other Protestant Minister wouldn’t even come out with that Garbage. Either the Man has completely lost The Plot, or He’s Practicing for His Tooty Fruity Gig in October in Glasgow.

        April 18, 2021 at 7:00 am
      • Margaret USA

        The Pope is coming to Scotland?!? WOW. I’d love to be a fly on the wall if he ever met the Madame Editor, Athanasius or yourself.

        April 19, 2021 at 2:17 am
      • editor

        Margaret USA

        We discussed the possible visit of both the Pope and Joe Biden on a thread not so long ago…

        April 19, 2021 at 9:47 am
  • Michaela

    No, that defence of the latest attack on the ancient Mass is not at all convincing.

    A very young looking interviewer speaking to a very young looking professor, neither of whom are educated in the faith, that’s clear, is hardly going to case any light on liturgical matters.

    The fact is, the Pope’s in a panic because more and more young people are drawn to the traditional Mass and that includes more and more young priests. The fact that he had to shut down private Masses altogether in the basilica, shows that he is not only panicked but, as others have said, vengeful.

    They keep trying to stamp out the old Mass but it just won’t die! This won’t work, either and IMHO, this pope is just heaping more and more coals of fire on his own head. God will not be mocked, and when the time comes for him to face his maker at his judgment, Francis will have a very hard time explaining himself because the old Mass is the Mass that formed all the great saints in the Church’s calendar. The new Mass continues to empty the pews. It’s noticeable that the young lady in the video didn’t ask the professor about that! .

    April 17, 2021 at 8:00 pm
    • Faith of Our Fathers

      I dont think that this Acting Pope is fearful of God at all .After all according to Him even Judas is not in Hades.The Man does not even know basic scripture as in ” The Fear of The Lord is The Start of all Wisdom ” As for empty pews i dont believe he cares one Jot,if he did He most certainly would not have sold out The Chinese Catholics, in fact it seems to be his vocation. Remember that this Man witnessed a Eucharistic Miracle with his own eyes, yet most Certainly does not Believe in The One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church. Am certainly no Saint and i fear the Wrath of God for my wrongs. In fact his actions to me make it plain that He most certainly does not Believe in the Triune God .Father .Son and Holy Spirit. Also his words against Our Lady recently more or less saying we Believe She is a Goddess was another part of His attack on Catholicism. In other words for probably all of us on here hes overstepped the Mark, about 10 times too much.

      April 17, 2021 at 10:23 pm
    • editor


      “The fact is, the Pope’s in a panic because more and more young people are drawn to the traditional Mass and that includes more and more young priests.”

      Nail on head – big time!

      April 18, 2021 at 12:05 am
  • Margaret Mary

    I saw a headline about Cardinal Sarah asking for this ruling to be repealed, and I learned something in the article that I didn’t know before. I copied it to post and I will then post the link (sorry, it’s from the awful Tablet):

    Citing St Thomas Aquinas and Pope Pius XII, Cardinal Sarah writes that the “gift of grace is reduced” in a Mass that is concelebrated while arguing it is “less prudent” to have multiple priests celebrating at an altar during the Covid-19 pandemic. He says priests should not be compelled to concelebrate while asking: “Why should it never again be possible to celebrate the extraordinary form in the basilica?”

    I had never heard that concelebrated Masses have reduced grace – some places I’ve lived have had concelebrated Masses every day. I am just shocked at the way we’re not told important information, or maybe the priests don’t actually know that themselves, such is the ignorance these days. No wonder the Church is in such a terrible state.

    April 17, 2021 at 8:10 pm
    • editor


      It’s very obvious, don’t you think, that God has withdrawn His grace from the Church, generally speaking. Obviously, grace is still supplied to individuals – especially through the sacraments – but it seems obvious that the supernatural life of the Church has been affected by the scandals and apostasy of the past 50+ years.

      April 18, 2021 at 12:04 am
  • Lily

    That interview really irritated me – it was a lightweight interview in every sense. Can you imagine that that man has a job lecturing students about the Church when all he knows is the mess of the “post-Vatican II Church” and not the Church as set up by Christ? Thank God I had a good few years in the real thing before the mess began.

    So, no, I didn’t find any of that interview convincing except it convinces me that the attempts to kill of the traditional Mass will never succeed.

    I went surfing to unearth an article by Michael Davies. I didn’t find the one I was looking for but this one looks good .Michael was a convert to the faith and he said he knew instantly when the new Mass was introduced that it was protestant. I’ve got his book Pope Paul’s New Mass which I highly recommend. Here’s the link to the article, for now though.

    April 17, 2021 at 8:28 pm
    • editor


      Brilliant choice of Michael Davies’ writings. Thank you for that.

      April 17, 2021 at 11:58 pm
  • Fidelis

    There is no way the video interview was convincing – nothing will convince me that ditching the old Mass for the novus ordo “celebration” was a good thing.

    This is a good summary of the situation, I think, although I don’t like the use of the term “Extraordinary Form” and I know most of the bloggers here are the same. There is a fantastic quote at the end, on the screen, which is really important.

    April 17, 2021 at 8:47 pm
    • RCAVictor


      Watching those processions of priests and faithful, I couldn’t help but think of those idiotic World Youth Day meetings, with young people batting around a beach ball when they were supposed to be deepening their faith.

      Novus Ordo: bat around a beach ball
      TLM: orderly procession to glorify God

      April 17, 2021 at 10:45 pm
    • editor


      I dislike the term EF as well but it’ll die out in due course – when the TLM is, once again, the “ordinary” form…

      Apart from the use of EF, as you say that video is a good summary – and the quote on screen at the end is excellent. Many thanks for posting.

      April 17, 2021 at 11:57 pm
  • Athanasius

    Tragic and painful as it is to admit, we have a Pope on the Chair of Peter who seems completely absent of supernatural faith. One or two questionable statements or actions since his election in 2013 could have been explained as material error due to Modernism, which has poisoned the minds and souls of most of the clergy since Vatican II, particularly the Jesuit order which is now wholly at the service of the spirit of this world, which is evil, but the situation is far more serious than that with this Pope.

    The late Fr. Malachi Martin S.J. is now perfectly vindicated in his pre-Francis warning that if ever a Jesuit is elected Pope the faithful should run for the hills, for this Pope has never missed an opportunity over the past 8 years to take a sledge hammer to the two pillars upon which the Church stands – faith and morals.

    Although he is not a card-carrying Communist or Freemason, there is no question that he has placed his Pontificate very much at the service of the globalist agenda of these evil twins who hate Christ and His holy Church.

    Reading through the Encyclicals of Pope Francis and listening to his exhortations, it is clear that he is a man besotted with this world, to the natural rather than the supernatural, the material rather than the spiritual. His entire mindset is naturalistic, which is why he has made himself a champion of climate change, abortion-tainted global vaccination, one world governance, etc., while insinuating and encouraging acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle, Communion for those living in irregular relationships, etc. It also explains the outrage of the Pachamama presence on the high altar of St. Peter’s basilica while he cleverly uses COVID to banish the true Mass of the Church from the same basilica.

    If the truth be told, apart from his declaring 2021 to be a year dedicated to St. Joseph, there is nothing about this Pope that Catholics can identify with, nothing remotely resembling Our Lord, the Good Shepherd, who declared Himself “not of this world”, who came to save souls, not the planet. In fact, Our Lord specifically declared to His Apostles “If the world hates you, know ye that it has hated me first”.

    Since “the servant is not greater than the master”, it follows that those who are Christ’s are hated and persecuted by the world, just as the Church was from its divine foundation through the days of the early Christian martyrs right up to Vatican II. She was hated because her Popes, the Vicars of Christ, like their Master, urged all to turn from the world, the devil and the flesh to serve the true God, who, at the end of this exile, will judge our fidelity to Him and reward with eternal beatitude or perdition in accordance with the choices we freely made in this short life.

    It is never a good sign when a Pope, a Vicar of Christ, is venerated by the world as a man who empathises with its progressive spirit, as Francis does, for the progressive spirit of this modern world is nothing other than the spirit of the ancient pagan world, the spirit of immorality, of murder (abortion), of perversion, of materialism and of pantheism.

    If Francis spoke out against this progression back to pagan culture in the way that St. Peter and the first Apostles spoke out against the original paganism of their time, he would be detested and persecuted by the world relentlessly, as were they. The fact that the world loves him instead is testimony to his infidelity to Christ, Our Lord, and the supernatural mission of the Church that has been entrusted to him.

    Just as worrying is the almost universal silence of the Catholic hierarchy, which, if not entirely on-board with this anomalous pontificate, is certainly complicit by its silence as scandal after scandal accrues under the reign of Francis. These will not escape the divine judgment for their complicity with one who seems determined to supplant the divine mission of the Church with Communist/Masonic globalism.

    The only prelate excepted from this general observation of obeying man before God is Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, who, like St. Paul, publicly upbraids the present Peter because “he is to be blamed”.

    Archbishop Vigano, like St. Paul, St. Athanasius and Archbishop Lefebvre before him, amply demonstrates how Our Lord sends holy prelates to help the faithful during the darkest times, when those in higher authority have fallen asleep and are leading their flocks into grave error.

    Had Pope Francis taken a stand against the falsehoods of Climate Change and COVID-19 then rest assured that the enemies of God would have failed in quick time to establish their global Communism on the world.

    Tragically, since Francis has chosen rather to place the authority of his Papal office fully at the service of these conspirators against God and humanity, we see that an unprecedented apocalyptic brutal totalitarianism has quickly descended on the once-free nations of the earth. It is like a precursor of Antichrist complete with state-sponsored murder, civil disorder, moral perversion, religious pantheism and repression of freedom the likes of which the world has not seen since pagan times, although manifested in historical glimpses under the malevolent regimes of the former USSR, today’s CCP and North Korea.

    There is no doubting for Catholics that Francis is the Pope, however scandalous his reign. Our duty therefore is to pray for him while not shying away from our like duty to challenge his errors, even in public. That he is the worst Pope the Church has ever had is beyond question, but it is for another Pope at a later time, when sanity is restored, to make a judgment upon his tenure – that’s not within the remit of subordinates. All we can do is lament the immense damage he is doing to the faith and beseech Our Lord to bring this Third Secret chastisement to an end.

    We should also pray for the hierarchy of the Church and most of her priests who have likewise demonstrated their faithlessness by subordinating the superior supernatural mission of the Church to earthly, godless authorities.

    These have chosen to obey men rather than God and place the health of the body before the health of souls, closing down churches and denying the divine Sacraments even to the dying. God have mercy on these wretched prelates and clerics – let us sincerely hope that they fall into the category of the invincibly ignorant for whom Our Lord cried out on the Cross “Father forgive them, for they know not what they do”!

    Vatican II was the Trojan Horse that entered the Eternal City and commenced the Third Secret chastisement revealed by Our Lady to Sister Lucy. Ever since that fateful time the Church has witnessed an alteration to the faith to bring it in line with the world, whose master is Lucifer. We now see the ultimate consequence of this Modernist infidelity in an apostasy unparalleled in the history of the Church.

    Perhaps, then, it is more telling than we know that Pope Francis has a picture in his office of a naked Jesus holding a dying Judas in His arms, as if to indicate his unbelief in the eternal perdition of those who betray their Lord for earthly gain.

    April 17, 2021 at 9:07 pm
    • editor


      I left a comment on the America YouTube channel to advise that they’ll learn a lot if they visit this thread so many thanks for proving me right, yet again…

      I often think about that “run for the hills if a Jesuit become pope” remark – can never remember who said it but I think it’ll stick now.

      April 17, 2021 at 11:55 pm
      • Athanasius

        Thanks, Editor.

        I absolutely howled at the cartoon caption – it fits me to a tee!

        April 18, 2021 at 1:33 am
      • RCAVictor


        The Jesuits and their fellow leftist travelers are not interested in learning anything – they are only interested in promoting “the narrative” (which is the current name for what the Communists used to call “the party line.”)

        And as you discovered in your later post below, the narrative includes censoring anyone who disagrees with it.

        In this case, the narrative is “Vatican II ‘reforms’ good, Tradition bad.” Which is just a disguised way of saying “Freemasonry good, Catholic Faith bad.” Or, more to the point, “Satan good, Our Lord bad.”

        Someone (I think it was Lily) mentioned on another thread that she’s concluded that face masks are a security blanket for the fearful. I think we can apply that principle to our corrupt hierarchy as well: cooperation with the world is a security blanket (as well as a financial windfall, apparently), but fidelity to Our Lord is too scary.

        Anyway, if my previous posts are too pointed (I seem to have shocked FOOF), then let me sum up by saying:

        Faggioli is the Anthony Fauci of modern theology. Makes me ashamed to be Italian.

        April 18, 2021 at 1:36 am
    • Faith of Our Fathers

      Athanasius that is a wonderful post but am sure if by a Million to one Francis had it read to Him of course ,it would be much too Catholic for Him to understand. As you said at the end of your post The Picture of Judas in The Naked Arms of Jesus actually speaks More than a 1000 words of what to us is in the Mans Mind and Heart. Of course as you said earlier if Francis had taken the Catholic Church’s Stance and Christs stand he would be Hated by The World. Yet he’s lauded by the Reprobates from Hollywood to the Transgenders and Practicing Homosexuals of this World . By the Leading Politicians not only in Western Society but in Communist Society also.He is as we know surrounded by a Shower of Henchmen who salivate on his every word and let’s face it are also a shower of Pansies. It also seems now as if the Man is becoming more Brazent on a Daily Basis. He most certainly does not care about any Catholics or if He does it’s just what He can get off them Financially. God Forgive me but I wouldn’t be surprised if He Mortgaged The Vatican , after all He’s always on about the Poor . Which brings me to a Guy a Protestant who worked beside me who visited Rome and he and his Wife went to see the Vatican. He said to me ” You Know I just thought to Myself if Half these Treasures were sold off it could help the Poor in the third World “. I said to Him ” Listen Wullie we Catholics have 2nd Collections at least every Month for the Poor and we also give to others who plead for Help at our Mass and Churches. If your so concerned about The Poor then do the same “. He was as much concerned about the Poor as Judas and Monty Python,which unfortunately also reminds me of Francis.

      April 18, 2021 at 7:43 am
      • Athanasius


        Has anyone every told you that you have a hilarious turn of phrase?

        You’re right about the crowd that surrounds Pope Francis – a very dodgy lot to say the least, and no less mocking of our holy religion than the Monty Python crew.

        I liked your response to the old Protestant who bemoaned the wealth of the Vatican saying that it should all be sold off for the poor. They’re not so keen, though, when someone tells them to show by example and sell their houses to feed the poor!

        As Our Lord said: “The poor you will always have with you”. All that beauty in the Vatican is for God, who deserves the best in his House, it has nothing to do with hoarding against the poor. The Catholic Church has done more for the poor since her divine institution than all of the world’s so-called charities combined and multiplied by a million. Strange, though, that the Modernists after Vatican II started repeasting that old Protestant lament about the Church’s wealth, which is chiefly why Paull VI auctioned off the Papal Tiara (triple crown). That ended up on the head of a female socialite at some rich pagan’s party. Yes, the Modernist infiltrators of the Church envisioned Francis as the ultimate in what they’ve worked towards since the Council, which is a Pope who ardently shares the Communist/Masonic mindset.

        April 18, 2021 at 12:42 pm
      • Faith of Our Fathers

        Yes Athanasius the Protestants are not as willing to Help the Poor as their always on about. Sure one Actually had the Gall to tell Me that The Masonic Order was set up to Help the underprivileged in Society. Am sure if that Mob even sold Their Aprons it would bring in a few $Billions . I also of course say To Protestants that The Catholic Church both Financially and Hands on is the most Charitable Organisation in The World. Of course since Francis came into Power I stand to be corrected on that Statement. I also worked beside a Salvation Army High Heid Yin who also wasn’t desperate to put His hands into His Own Pocket to Blow His Own Trumpet so to speak.

        April 18, 2021 at 6:46 pm
      • RCAVictor


        (Did you know those initials stand for “Doctor of Jurisprudence”?) (I shouldn’t have said that, Editor will be jealous again…)

        Sadly, the Vatican was mortgaged a long time ago, from 1962-1965. The debt we owe to our Creator was replaced by a funny money debt to the underworld.

        April 18, 2021 at 3:44 pm
  • RCAVictor

    This Faggioli character (known in several traditional quarters as “Beans,” which is what his name means in Italian) is a notorious leftist who has spent his career licking the boots of Vatican II “reformers,” including the current Pope. He has published disgraceful rubbish attempting (and failing) to justify every scandal you can think of.

    He is a liar and an ideologue, and not worthy of anyone’s serious attention, except perhaps as a canary in the coal mine regarding the status of the Traditional Mass.

    To give you an idea of what a low life this clown is, read this:

    April 17, 2021 at 10:33 pm
    • Faith of Our Fathers

      Your some Man Victor straight to the point. As i said i could only listen to that rubbish for 14 Minutes.Maybe been a bit Hard on the Guy as i dont know His Orientation so to speak, but He certainly Has the correct name.I myself was slow on the uptake and didnt notice the connotation so to speak. But theirs that old saying. That if You Fly With The Crows .You Get Shot With The Crows. Al most certainly read your link tomorrow .If God Spares us.

      April 17, 2021 at 10:58 pm
    • Faith of Our Fathers

      Read a little bit about Him their, as i personally had never heard of Him Before .Which in a way is Tragic but of course not Serious. Good Night my Friend.

      April 17, 2021 at 11:05 pm
      • editor


        What ‘ll be tragic AND serious is if you keep saying nice things to “Victor” but not to me and moi. You never say “goodnight my friend” to me.

        April 17, 2021 at 11:50 pm
      • Faith of Our Fathers

        Seen as I never said goodnight Good Morning Ed ,and I hope and mean it Most Sincerely ,that You have a Great Day. Cannot sleep this past few weeks so as am awake Early and I just thought ad pop in and see how the craic was .

        April 18, 2021 at 6:11 am
      • editor


        Don’t keep yourself awake worrying if I’ll refuse to forgive you (in this case, for not saying “goodnight”). I’ll always forgive you. I know my Christian duty. Unlike this dope…

        April 18, 2021 at 9:44 pm
      • RCAVictor


        I’ve never said “good-night” to you either, since at the hour of my bedtime you’re already sawing logs. You Scots not only drive on the wrong side of the road, your clocks are 5 hours off!

        April 18, 2021 at 3:46 pm
      • Faith of Our Fathers

        Now now Victor, our Clocks may well be 5 Hours in Front but am sure a Little Tweeting of the Planet by Billy Gates would set that OK . Who knows, when he sends his Fairy Dust up into the Stratosphere what will Happen. Or maybe he wishes to tilt The Earth from a 23. 5 Degrees to say 30 Degrees which would actually Benefit Climate Change , I think. Of course to really know if this would really benefit The Earth ad have to personally consult GOD and at this Moment I don’t have ( unlike Francis) a Direct Line to Him or Her which seems also to be another New Modernist Phenomenon. I E God the Mother. God spare us from these Bampots . O and BTW if you don’t know what a Bampot is it’s like someone here who Drives on the Right Side of The Road. Of course am in no way referring that you Drive on The Wrong Side of The Road .

        April 18, 2021 at 6:29 pm
      • editor

        RCA Victor,

        Priceless! I often laugh at the time distance and it’s effect on the blog. And it’s even worse than just having a difference of 5 hours – twice a year we have to change the time on our clocks. = “Spring forward (one hour); Fall back (one hour)” – it is the most annoying thing, it really is… And then, I think …

        April 18, 2021 at 9:39 pm
    • editor

      RCA Victor,

      That is a very VERY interesting link. Many thanks for posting. It reveals Faggioli to be a charlatan (as well as tremendously ignorant) as I suspected.

      And I have to be honest – I never thought the day would dawn when I admire Fr Z’s charity. 😀

      April 17, 2021 at 11:52 pm
    • Athanasius


      I just watched the video interview with that clown Faggioli and I can hardly believe that such trash could come out of the mouth of a doctor. Do you happen to know if he’s a witch doctor, for he certainly speaks against the true Mass of the Church like a witch doctor would?

      What he was actually saying, in effect, is that Benedict XVI’s intervention to rehabilitate the true Mass was an anomaly, a divergence from the conciliar revolution that Francis now intends to correct. It was a similar message to that of Lucifer’s political servants, the leftists, in the U.S., who declared Trump’s patriotic, anti-abortion presidency to be an anomaly, one that they corrected by fraud to get Satanic globalism back on track.

      I won’t be consuming any more of “Beans” in the future – too much ill wind!

      April 18, 2021 at 1:01 pm
      • RCAVictor


        Ill wind is right – good one!

        Sadly for us and the Church, “anomaly” is how these leftists view the entire “Benedictine respite”* – a sort of inexplicable countercurrent that temporarily delayed their destruction of the Church. Even worse, the traditional Faith is anathema to them.

        *(That was C. Ferrara’s label for Pope Benedict’s reign – rather odd, if you think about it. A Modernist respite from…Modernism!)

        Reminds me of how the same crowd viewed Pres. Trump: a temporary delay in their plans to subjugate America. Soros called him a “trickster.”

        Anyway, whilst listening to today’s “Good Shepherd” Gospel, it occurred to me that Our Lord was describing precisely the situation we find ourselves in today, which you described so well in your earlier post regarding the hierarchy and much of the clergy:

        “The good Shepherd giveth His life for His sheep. But the hireling, and he that is not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth, and the wolf catcheth and scattereth the sheep: and the hireling fleeth, because he is a hireling and he hath no care for the sheep.”

        We are surrounded by hirelings, it would seem, who have fled into the tentacles of Satan, mistaking those tentacles for a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.


        April 18, 2021 at 3:38 pm
      • Faith of Our Fathers

        Athanasius you certainly got that correct about Faggioli being a Witch Doctor. My God my Intelligence may not be of the University Variety, but it’s enough to know that ,to put it impolitely this Idiots Mouth is all Brown. If that sounds a Bit Crude ED sometimes we have to put a point across in no uncertain way that WE will not entertain this Garbage.

        April 19, 2021 at 4:19 am
  • RCAVictor

    I just discovered why this fraud was interviewed by this woman: this video is from the “America” YouTube channel, i.e. the Jesuit magazine. ‘Nuff said.

    April 17, 2021 at 10:47 pm
    • editor

      RCA Victor,

      Yes, I realised that at the outset – and since the Jesuit magazine of that name is about as intellectual as Dumb & Dumber combined, I thought it would be a great discussion prompt on the subject of Francis’s aversion to all things traditional (just like the rest of the Jesuits these days!)

      In fact, I posted a comment on their YouTube platform underneath the video giving the link to this thread and when I went back to check if it had been (as I expected) removed, voila, it had been removed. I could get a job as a mind reader, I really could…

      They’re really into tolerance and listening to all viewpoints, these modernists, aren’t they… NOT!

      April 17, 2021 at 11:47 pm
    • Athanasius

      RCAVictor & Editor

      I think we can all agree that the danger signs were present with the Jesuits as far back as the turn of the 20th century. The order should have been suppressed 100 years ago as a Modernist poison in the Church.

      April 18, 2021 at 4:39 pm
  • RCAVictor


    I just noticed this in your intro:

    “These guidelines limit when priests can celebrate the Mass in the Extraordinary Form (the pre-Vatican II Mass rite) and also aim to increase participation of the faithful in these Masses.”

    So uh, Francis wants fewer TLMs, but more participation of the faithful??? Would that be anything like telling you to stop eating healthy food, but pay more attention to your health?

    Actually, I’m afraid the real meaning of this absurdity is this: Francis wants more of the Novus Ordo, and its bogus “active participation,” in the TLM. Thus he is following what some commentators have warned about Summorum Pontificum: that Benedict wanted the two rites to “improve” each other. Translation: he wanted the slow path to the destruction of the TLM.

    April 18, 2021 at 3:54 pm
  • gabriel syme

    The new rules for Mass in the Basilica are tragic are characteristic of how dysfunctional the modern Church is. Who could imagine a football ground where the bosses severley restricted the playing of football? Or a hospital where Doctors had to jump through hoops to practice medicine?

    What is the Basilica chiefly for exactly, if not to host the Mass? Why would anyone desire to go there, other than to hear Mass? Admiring the building is nice, yes, but a poor second to the Mass.

    I am sure the rule will be “fixed” in future (perhaps not soon) but the relatively mute reaction from the clergy is sad and discouraging.

    It is of great concern to me that some people, clergy in particular, view the Church’s patrimony as a problem. These is definitely something “no’ right in the heid” (as we say) with such people.

    Look at Thomas Reese SJ, for example. Widely renowned as a nut already, he has excelled himself with his latest drivel – to the extent that I was scrambling to date check the article, thinking it could only be an “april fool” (it is not, as far as I can tell – its from 16/04/21).

    Addressing the liturgy, he discusses the Mass of Ages and the disastrous changes in the wake of Vatican II. Unsurprisingly, his narrative is an inverted tale, containing various back-to-front analysis, distortions and even some bald faced lies. But what was of great concern was this:

    It is time to return to bishops the authority over the Tridentine liturgy in their dioceses. The church needs to be clear that it wants the unreformed liturgy to disappear and will only allow it out of pastoral kindness to older people who do not understand the need for change. Children and young people should not be allowed to attend such Masses.

    Quite a staggering paragraph. I don’t know what is worse, the obvious protestantism, the presumption of speaking on behalf of the Church as regards what she wants, the sinister authoritarianism of seeking to dictate which Masses lay people may or may not attend, or the buffoonery indicated by the thought that saying “no” might work to kill the traditional mass (it’s already been tried and was a huge failure).

    One can only imagine the kind of sentiments Francis may encounter in Jesuit circles, if this is anything to go by.

    April 18, 2021 at 10:46 pm

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