Is Scotland Following USA – Lawless, Anti-Police, Pro-Illegal Immigration?editor
LONDON (AP) — Two men detained by British immigration officials in Glasgow were released Thursday after a seven-hour standoff between hundreds of protesters and Scottish police.
Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon slammed the “unacceptable” action by Britain’s Home Office to detain the Indian men, especially as it came during celebrations for the Muslim holiday of Eid al-Fitr, in an area hit by the pandemic.
The same Polis who go into Church to stop Mass ,are these the same Polis surely not.
Editor: FOOF, you must have known when you posted that comment that I could not possibly leave it, as is. The WOKE brigade will define it as “racist” – me, I’m a simple soul, and I define it as uncharitable, unChristian. As, in your cooler moments, you would, too. I do agree that the same police who would have stood their ground until a church was emptied of Catholics attending Mass, have caved in to the mob in the illegal immigration case. Maybe, though, there’s a message in there for Catholics – don’t be such wimps! We need to take aim at the correct targets. We can’t blame members of non-Christian religions for the weakness of Christians! Now, please stick to the topic – which is NOT about any non-Christian group but about illegal immigration and the lawlessness which is taking root here in the UK, as in the USA, in the name of “race”.
Surely the post above cannot be allowed to remain. This is overt racism.
Editor: I had not read FOOF’s comment until I saw your comment – after reading, I have removed that part of it which, I agree, is inappropriate for publishing on any Catholic blog. Perhaps now, you would share your thoughts on the thread topic. Thank you.
Excuse me for speaking the Truth and when did YOU become a censor of what I can say or cannot say on Here the Ed yes You no . Overt Racism who do YOU think YOU are. I have seldom seen you on here at any discussion and IF YOU are a Catholic and think that We would have gotten away with That Lawlessness then You are a Delusional Catholic. As I said on my first post I am in noway compelled to like Moslems. Or you ,nor you me. I also expect to be lambasted and Banned for Not Liking Moslems on Facebook Etc that’s Normal ,but not absolutely not on Catholic Truth. Of course I know this Post will also be removed but at least I have had my Day in Court. So to speak. Which is more much more than a Catholic would get in a Moslem Country .
You are right about Eamonn apparently never having been on here before – unless he’s been here under a different username…whatever. In any event, I’m always suspicious of these one-time “hit and run” appearances, so he’s no prize, believe me. He’s never going to be the Blogger of the Bi-Month.
However, as I’m sure you know in your heart, even a broken clock is right twice a day, so Eamonn was right to point out that your original comment was never going to win friends and influence people – certainly not within the Muslim or wider immigrant community. He could have shown a little more tact and skill in doing so, of course, but he’s male (one presumes) and one always has doubts about the tact and skills of the males one comes across…
Anyway, I’d like to tackle this more recent comment which is perhaps best summed up with the phrase “don’t like Muslims, me…” That makes you sound like the lovely people in the north east of England, among whom I lived and worked and ate stacks of chocolate for a number of years. And among those lovely people were some Muslims. I can’t say they were all perfect, but I can’t say that, either, about the Catholics among whom I lived and worked and ate stacks of chocolate.
My first thought on reading your comment about “not liking” was that, for as long as I can remember, I’ve lived by a resolution I once made never to allow myself to dislike anyone, or at least to say that I felt dislike. I reasoned that, if I really knew that person, then, more likely than not, I would like them. There are people with whom I’ve had very bad experiences, and I have to admit that I don’t trust everyone (but only after a really bad experience – we all have faults; even I have character faults, and I’m not afraid to use them!) But that’s different – believe it or not, I can still “like” people I don’t fully trust. Think about it. I’d probably like Papa Francis if we were sharing coffee and cakes but I wouldn’t trust him to lead a rosary. Place “trust” to one side then… Not to like someone, however, that can be a mistake. For example…
Would you have liked the Muslim man who phoned me to volunteer to restore a statue of Our Lady – he had been shown an advertisement which a local priest had allowed me to post in his parish bulletin, requesting help to restore broken statues and other Catholic artefacts. Someone at Mass, knowing this gentleman’s expertise, had shown him my advertisement (I was teaching in the local Catholic school RE Department, which was so Catholic that it was proving easier to find that needle in the haystack than a crucifix…) He came to my Department, took the statue off, and all with a very cheerful disposition.
Or, I wonder if you would have liked the Muslim gentleman who emailed me after we’d both been interviewed on the BBC Sunday Morning Live programme. He had quoted “Catholic” friends who had denied the key Catholic dogma, “outside the Catholic Church no salvation.” I was able to quote evidence to show that his friends were misleading him, just got it in before the segment ended. I was in the studio, while he was interviewed on screen somewhere, so we didn’t meet in person. Thus, I was very surprised to receive an email from him later, thanking me for telling him the truth and explaining that he had just believed his friends. We kept in touch for quite a while. He was something of a musician and would email me samples of his recordings. Very talented.
These are just the first two examples which spring to mind, FOOF, and that is not to say that all Muslims are perfect, any more than all Catholics are perfect, but I don’t think it’s fair to “dislike” them – for any reason, actually, but that’s my personal “thing” about disliking people. I recall one Muslim shop-owner who was always very unpleasant in his demeanour. I avoided his shop – he seemed to growl answers to any questions (such as “have you run out of Turkish Delight?”) Then one day, I walked in while he was chatting to a customer – very pleasantly and they were both laughing. She, a neighbour of mine. I never did get round to asking her where she got her perfume.
It’s perfectly acceptable to have concerns about immigration policy – I do, myself. The “open doors” policy so beloved of the loony left isn’t fair to anyone, including those who come here seeking a better life. Immigration policy affects everything – housing, health, education, you name it. So, it doesn’t mean someone is a bigot or a racist, to have those concerns, or even about how slowly, if ever, some incomers integrate into the communities around the UK. But that’s different from personal dislike and even hatred. That is just unChristian, FOOF. And you know it.
C’mon man… Lighten up!
ED I know that I can fly off in a Tangent but al put it this way. I dislike Patrick Harvie and all that He stands for. But were He Drowning in The Clyde ad be the first one to dive in to safe Him ,and i mean that.
You have just proven me right again! A friend mentioned you in an email, said he doesn’t know you but was surprised at your comments about Muslim. Here’s what I said in reply…
“… God love him…For all he says he dislikes Muslims, I can imagine he’d give the shirt off his back if one of them needed it.”
I’ve got your number, FOOF. I’ve got your number 😀
This article (see link) suggests what is really behind this – the extreme left trying to create lawlessness and even making racist comments about ethnic minority citizens (i.e. Priti Patel), while accusing others of racism. Yes, it’s just part of the communist power grab bid:- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9576843/Unite-leadership-hopeful-accused-racism-calling-Home-Secretary-leave-country.html
That Daily Mail report is very interesting indeed – I noted this:
Solicitor Aamer Anwar tweeted a video of the moment and said: ‘This was the proud moment that after hours of negotiations with @policescotland I went into @pritipatel enforcement van to tell 2 men they were free because of the power of the people’.
So, Aamer Anwar, who is always on the news when anything about “race” is involved, openly admits that those illegal immigrants were free because of “the power of the people” – i.e. mob rule.
This is not going to end well. Once the mob gets a whiff of power, it will not let go. I find this incident very disturbing.
I agree totally that this is not going to end well. I follow the American news outlets like Fox and Newsmax from time to time and there is the most unbelievable hatred of the police now over there, which has resulted from the deliberate stirring up of anti-police hatred. Personally, I believe that if the police had not caved in so quickly, things could have been so different, which is why this hasty retreat on the part of the police worries me. I’m posting a clip from a Newsmax TV report about the attacks on police over in the USA – the anchor doesn’t mention at the start, that the officer who was shot by the man in the truck stop (I think it’s the second incident shown) actually died at the scene. The attacker ran off. I saw the whole of this incident in another report and the policeman was very polite to the man, asked him if that was a gun/rifle and then asked if he’d step out of the truck. It’s a pity he didn’t just return to his police car and call for back-up. Anyway, may he rest in peace.
I’d already seen some of those clips about police attacks – I tune into the Chris Salcedo Show most days. I used to watch Greg Kelly but I’ve gone off him a little.
However, you have to be careful with the American shows. They don’t get everything right. For example, they reported the Queen’s Speech as if it came from the Queen herself… They focused on the part where the Government is tightening up on elections, demanding photo ID and contrasted this with the White House refusal to have photo ID.
The reports I saw were comical in that the presenters all shook their heads and made comments to the effect that the Queen of England (sic) had more awareness than Joe Biden about this issue. When I get a minute, I’ll search out a clip – it really is comical. They don’t realise that the Queen is merely reading out what Boris has decided will pass into law 😀
Yep, mob rule. Absolutely spot on. But isn’t that always the way with the extreme left? Just riot about whatever you want and get your own way.
And who can blame the extreme left? It works! They even had police officers kneeling down – what was the daft phrase.. Oh year, “taking the knee” – at BLM protests all over the place (including Glasgow).
If it works, don’t knock it – or at least, don’t risk upsetting the extreme left seems to be the Government/Police response.
I hope I’m not giving anyone any ideas, but it wouldn’t surprise me to wake up one morning and find a video of some Novus Ordo priest doing a liturgical dance/variety show in honor of BLM.
Speaking of “taking a knee,” I believe break-dancing requires a lot of time spinning around on one’s back whilst flat on the ground…liturgical dancing priests take note…
As for this thread, anarchy is always a prime objective of the left. It’s a preliminary stage to prepare and justify tyranny. In the case of COVID, however, they may have gotten their timeline mixed up, since we’ve had tyranny first, THEN anarchy.
Your description of “break-dancing” – LOL!
I wouldn’t be one bit surprised to see priests doing that just as you describe – they’re that far gone, that type!
I share Laura’s amusement – you have a way with those descriptions!
I wonder, though, if it’s more a case of tyranny and anarchy in concert – you, being a musician, will know what I mean 😀
Look at what is happening here right now – big televised briefings earlier this week (none of which I’ve seen, but heard about) telling us that we are now moving back to normal, starting Monday and then today, nope. We’re moving BACK a level in Glasgow. And watch how that will spread to the rest of Scotland and watch how Boris will have the same concerns about England, due to the “Indian variant” which they are saying is worse than the Kent variant which I remember reading wasn’t anything to stay home and sneeze about.
We’re not getting out of this anytime soon. Our Lady, remember, did say “it would be late”…
I like your analysis better: tyranny and anarchy in concert, it is! Now if we could only figure out what key this concert is in…
I think it’s almost been done already – I clearly recall seeing a picture on some website a while back of Catholic priests in clerical dress (funny how they always wear clerical dress when they want to do anti-Catholic things) ‘taking the knee’ at some gathering or other. No break dancing. Not yet. Any day now.
Of course it is Sir and unfortunately to my cost both in suffering and in severe Financial loss its nothing New.
It seems to be a case of not what is right but playing the numbers game gets you what you want, that is my definition of mob rule. Here’s a short clip to show the police surrendering to the mob.
Capitalism needs cheap labour and immigrants are willing to supply it if it means they may escape the poverty, war, and kleptocracy of their native lands. I don’t blame them. If I came from one of those countries, I would definitely come to Scotland for the chance of a better life. All the takeaway deliverers in Glasgow are immigrants. In 21st century Britain we have slave class of black and brown people who ride around on mopeds and bicycles in all weather conditions to deliver native people’s takeaways. It’s not a job I would ever consider doing. This kind of economic model is socially unjust.
The remedy to the West’s low population is to stop contracepting and aborting children out of existence. Also, women should not be forced to be career mothers, and being a stay-at-home mother should not be stigmatised, but should be subsidised by the state. Women are forced to established their careers before they have children and consequently they don’t have their first child until their 30s or 40s, by which time they encounter various fertility and medical obstacles.
Why are the countries of the developing world so poor? I believe one reason is that Russia has spread her errors throughout the world. After decolonialisation, the Soviet Union infiltrated the democratic constitutional polities and market economies which western states had established in the newly formed nations of Africa. Kremlin-backed revolutionaries were given money and AK-47s, and the the legitimate governments were overthrown. These countries have faced war, genocide, famine, poverty, disease, and political instability ever since. And no matter how much money we give them, it always gets into the hands of the wrong people. The Consecration of Russia would surely bring peace to these nations which have been ravaged by the forces of world Communism. And presumably the masses of people emigrating from these countries would instead choose to remain there.
It’s a while now since I’ve ordered a takeaway but I can truthfully say, that – even when I’ve ordered Chinese food – I cannot remember any delivery person being from foreign parts. Indeed, the Chinese restaurants which I frequented in the days when this was a (relatively) free country, were owned by Chinese people – and I assume they are still the owners. Indeed, by appearance and accent, the delivery staff who have served my unworthy self, seem to be Glaswegians. One had an east-coast accent (probably Edinburgh because they’re everywhere 😀 ) I’ve even personally known native Scots who have been employed as delivery staff at a well-known Pizza restaurant. So, I don’t think it’s true to say that “All the takeaway deliverers in Glasgow are immigrants.”
Some interesting points made in the rest of your comment – and I certainly agree about the Consecration of Russia. Well said.
UberEats and JustEat are corporate delivery companies who deliver on behalf of takeaway establishments without their own takeaway service, for example McDonald’s, KFC etc. I was referring more to them. They are highly exploitative companies, and consequently only the most desperate (immigrants) work for them. I am sure individual takeaway businesses in Glasgow are more socially just to their workers.
we have slave class of black and brown people who ride around on mopeds and bicycles in all weather conditions to deliver native people’s takeaways.
That is very true and an astute observation.
We live fairly close to the city center and nearby fast-food places such as McDonalds, KFC etc constantly have an army of delivery drivers (all of whom are obviously immigrants) running back and forth doing deliveries.
I don’t know the details, but I expect these workers do long hours for little reward and you are no doubt right that this is unjust and exploitative.
Not long ago, my family and I were driving behind such a delivery driver. He was on a small moped with L plates, which means he does not need a full license to be on the road. At one point, he made a mistake and attempted to go around a major roundabout the wrong way and was nearly killed by a truck.
It shows the danger faced by such drivers too, if they are using mopeds as “learners” instead of cars – and so are driving in an unfamiliar traffic system without being qualified.
This episode showed the “class clown” politics and behaviour which Scotland which is renowned for and which seems to impresses many Scots of modest intellect.
The rule of law must prevail and cannot give way to mobs.
Opportunist Nicola Sturgeon used the incident to once again pander to the Muslim community, as per her honeyed words about Eid in the article – no doubt concerned the support of muslim voters may be drawn away by Anas Sarwar become leader of the the Labour party in Scotland.
(I wouldn’t vote Labour in a million years, but felt Mr Sarwar made an impressive start as leader – personally at least, even if it did not help his party generally at the polls).
Sturgeon however was exposed when it emerged that neither man released by immigration was in fact a muslim, as confirmed by The Herald newspaper. Ms Sturgeon and her advisers must have made assumptions about the men based on their skin colour, which is as racist as it gets!
Also, that creepy Patrick Harvie of the odious Green party, called the UK Home Office “racist” over this incident, despite it being a major Government Department headed by a minister from an ethnic background (Priti Patel). So he was also throwing buzzwords around with no regard for facts.
It is no wonder Scotland is in such a state with the likes of Sturgeon and her sycophant toady Harvie wielding power.
You mean the Muslim mob protested on behalf of two immigrants who weren’t Muslim? Or am I missing something?
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