Israel-Palestine: Should Biden Appoint Donald J. Trump “Special Peace Envoy”?editor
If I find it disheartening to watch the speedy collapse of peace in the Middle East since Biden took (and I do mean “took”) office just five months ago, how must President Donald J. Trump be feeling? If Biden had any level of common sense, never mind diplomatic and political skills, never mind a sound Catholic sense, he would be appointing Donald J. Trump as a Special Peace Envoy without wasting another second. That’s what I think – what about you?
I’ve never even heard of John Oliver before but I thoroughly enjoyed seeing him taken down by Dennis Prager!
The footage given to pro-Palestine protests in the UK media (and probably in the USA now, as well) is disgraceful.
I heard one commentator reminding the audience that there are Arabs who live perfectly peacefully in Israel, so it’s clear that it is those who are voting for the terrorist Hamas to blame for what is going on right now.
I think Dennis Prager was excellent in his calm coverage of the issues – and I also agree with him about online dating, LOL! I’ve encouraged single young people in my family to do that as it is preferably to meeting in pubs, even if they ever open again!
Finally, I definitely agree that Trump should be given a role as Special Peace Envoy but it won’t happen in Biden’s administration, they are too full of hatred for Trump. President Biden has undone all the good which Trump achieved in the last four years including the achievement of peace in the middle east. It’s hard to imagine what they can be thinking.
Much of what Prager says is true. Terrorism is intrinsically evil, no doubt about it. However, Israeli settlers are stealing land which, according international law, doesn’t belong to them. These settlers are supported by Protestant and religious Jewish groups who promote the false religious teaching that the Jews must occupy the Holy Land in order for the Second Coming of Christ to happen, which is millenarianism, a heresy. Catholics must respect the right of Jewish people to live in that land free from the threat of violence, however, Catholics must also reject the doctrines of religious Zionism.
I’ve never heard that before, ever – about the Jews must occupy the Holy Land for Second Coming of Christ to happen. That’s a new one on me!
I can’t pretend to understand the conflict, not by a long chalk, but when the BBC makes the Palestinians the good guys, I’m automatically on the other side!
Same here, when the Israelis are demonised, they become an underdog, and then I am inclined to support them. However, there are two sides to every story. I don’t know the full story, and don’t claim to to know the whole story, but I do believe that the State of Israel must honour international agreements and stop their citizens from moving onto land that doesn’t belong to them. Likewise, the Palestinians must stop supporting terrorism.
Miles Immaculatae & Lily,
I don’t know much either about the conflict between Israel and Palestine but I’m not very trusting of “international agreements” – the UN is as corrupt as they come.
Obviously the Jewish groups are not awaiting the second coming, as they do not believe in the first, but I meant to add, I believe the (mainly American) Protestants fund the illegal settlers.
This conflict is the result of long-term NWO planning to foment war. It started in 1917 with the Balfour Declaration, which signed the British government on to the Zionist idea that the Jews should have their own homeland.
Pope St. Pius X rejected this Zionist request in 1904, in an interview with Theodor Herzl, its main advocate. Here is an excerpt from this interview (with obviously biased editorial comments by whoever assembled these notes):
1 Rome. January 26, .
HERZL: Yesterday I was with the Pope [Pius X]. . . . I arrived ten minutes ahead of time, and without having to wait I was conducted through a number of small reception rooms to the Pope. He received me standing and held out his hand, which I did not kiss. Lippay had told me I had to do it, but I didn’t. I believe this spoiled my chances with him, for everyone who visits him kneels and at least kisses his hand. This hand kiss had worried me a great deal and I was glad when it was out of the way.
He seated himself in an armchair, a throne for minor affairs, and invited me to sit by his side. He smiled in kindly anticipation. I began:
HERZL: I thank Your Holiness for the favor of granting me this audience. [I begged him to excuse my miserable Italian, but he said:
POPE: No, Signor Commander, you speak very well.
HERZL: [He is an honest, rough-hewn village priest, to whom Christianity has remained a living thing even in the Vatican. I briefly laid my request before him. But annoyed perhaps by my refusal to kiss his hand, he answered in a stern categorical manner.
POPE: We are unable to favor this movement [of Zionism]. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem—but we could never sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people.
HERZL: [The conflict between Rome and Jerusalem, represented by the one and the other of us, was once again under way. At the outset I tried to be conciliatory. I said my little piece. . . . It didn’t greatly impress him. Jerusalem was not to be placed in Jewish hands.] And its present status, Holy Father?
POPE: I know, it is disagreeable to see the Turks in possession of our Holy Places. We simply have to put up with it. But to sanction the Jewish wish to occupy these sites, that we cannot do.
HERZL: [I said that we based our movement solely on the sufferings of the Jews, and wished to put aside all religious issues].
POPE: Yes, but we, but I as the head of the Catholic Church, cannot do this. One of two things will likely happen. Either the Jews will retain their ancient faith and continue to await the Messiah whom we believe has already appeared—in which case they are denying the divinity of Jesus and we cannot assist them. Or else they will go there with no religion whatever, and then we can have nothing at all to do with them. The Jewish faith was the foundation of our own, but it has been superceded by the teachings of Christ, and we cannot admit that it still enjoys any validity. The Jews who should have been the first to acknowledge Jesus Christ have not done so to this day.
HERZL: [It was on the tip of my tongue to remark, “It happens in every family: no one believes in his own relative.” But, instead, I said:] Terror and persecution were not precisely the best means for converting the Jews. [His reply had an element of grandeur in its simplicity:]
POPE: Our Lord came without power. He came in peace. He persecuted no one. He was abandoned even by his apostles. It was only later that he attained stature. It took three centuries for the Church to evolve. The Jews therefore had plenty of time in which to accept his divinity without duress or pressure. But they chose not to do so, and they have not done it yet.
HERZL: But, Holy Father, the Jews are in a terrible plight. I do not know if Your Holiness is aware of the full extent of their tragedy. We need a land for these harried people.
POPE: Must it be Jerusalem?
HERZL: We are not asking for Jerusalem, but for Palestine—for only the secular land.
POPE: We cannot be in favor of it.
[Editor Lowenthal interjects here] Here unrelenting replacement theology is plainly upheld as the norm of the Catholic Church. Further, this confession, along with the whole tone of the Pope in his meeting with Herzl, indicates the perpetuation of a doctrinal emphasis that has resulted in centuries of degrading behavior toward the Jews. However, this response has the “grandeur” of total avoidance of that which Herzl had intimated, namely that the abusive reputation of Catholicism toward the Jews was unlikely to foster conversion. Further, if, “It took three centuries for the Church to evolve,” it was that very same period of time that it took for the Church to consolidate and launch its thrust of anti-Semitism through the following centuries.
HERZL: Does Your Holiness know the situation of the Jews?
POPE: Yes, from my days in Mantua, where there are Jews. I have always been in friendly relations with Jews. Only the other evening two Jews were here to see me. There are other bonds than those of religion: social intercourse, for example, and philanthropy. Such bonds we do not refuse to maintain with the Jews. Indeed we also pray for them, that their spirit see the light. This very day the Church is celebrating the feast of an unbeliever who became converted in a miraculous manner—on the road to Damascus. And so if you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we will be ready with churches and priests to baptize all of you.
HERZL: [At this point Conte Lippay had himself announced. The Pope bade him be admitted. The Conte kneeled, kissed his hand, and joined in the conversation by telling of our “miraculous” meeting in the Bauer beerhall at Venice. The miracle was that he had originally intended to stay overnight in Padua, and instead, it turned out that he was given to hear me express the wish to kiss the Holy Father’s foot. At this the Pope made no movement, for I hadn’t even kissed his hand. Lippay proceeded to tell how I had expiated on the noble qualities of Jesus Christ. The Pope listened, and now and then took a pinch of snuff and sneezed into a big red cotton handkerchief. It is these peasant touches which I like about him best and which most of all compel my respect. Lippay, it would appear, wanted to account for his introducing me, and perhaps ward off a word of reproach. But the Pope said:
POPE: On the contrary, I am glad you brought me the Signor Commendatore.
HERZL: [As to the real business, he repeated what he had told me, until he dismissed us:]
POPE: Not possible!
HERZL: [Lippay stayed on his knees for an unconscionable time and never seemed to tire of kissing his hand. It was apparent that this was what the Pope liked. But on taking leave, I contented myself with shaking his hand warmly and bowing deeply. The audience lasted about twenty-five minutes. While spending the last hour in the Raphael gallery, I saw a picture of an Emperor kneeling before a seated Pope and receiving the crown from his hands. That’s how Rome wants it.] (Marvin Lowenthal, Diaries of Theodore Herzl, pp. 427- 430.)
I just do not believe that the pope turned down the request for support for Israel because he was annoyed at not having his hand kissed (isn’t it the ring, anyway, that gets kissed?) That idea is restated at the end, when Herzl said that it was apparent that the pope (Saint Pius X !) liked having his hand kissed. That and his other remarks about the pope show his disdain for the pope. I wouldn’t take any report of his seriously.
That conversation includes editorial comments by someone of the Zionist persuasion, so filter those out, since you are correct, they have nothing but disdain for an actually Catholic Pope.
I see that now – sorry!
I tried to check that report by HERZl and didn’t find anything to challenge it. I did find this comment on the Eponymous Flower blog, where they were discussing it a while ago. Pope Francis was apologising for Pope St Pius X, can you believe. I’ll put the link at the end – this is a quote from the combox over there, which I think makes sense, given Christian belief about Christ:
Saint Pius X refused to assist in the creation of a Modern Jewish state because it is a SECULAR, JEWISH state.
If you were a man who believed that Jesus Christ is God and King, would you assist in the creation of a state where He is not a King, and is populated by a people who would not recognize Jesus as God?
Sadly, I think many people believe the lie that Jesus was “Just a moral teacher, nothing more, nothing less.” Which is why Jesus does not form a central part in peoples’ lives, and therefore does not play any part in their secular governments and everything else that flows from the putrid fountain of secularism.
The notion that Christ is not King nor God is a lie, and I don’t care how many hurt feelings this truth incurs; yes, we WILL shove down our beliefs into other peoples’ throats much like medicine is shoved down peoples’ throats by doctors who know what is good for the patient.
I’d be interested to know if you and other bloggers agree with this.
I did notice a headline about that while I was looking for records of the Pius X – Herzl meeting. Of course Francis would apologize for St. Pius X: he has surrendered the Church to Zionism/NWO/Freemasonry!
I agree with your commbox quote…
RCA Victor and Josephine,
I have to say, I’d totally forgotten about the fact that Pope Saint Pius X refused to support the creation of the state of Israel – and now that I’ve recalled that (via the reminders here – for which thanks you two!) it makes perfect sense. I am certainly not qualified to disagree with that great saint so I’m having to tighten up my (usually very active) critical faculty…
The Gospels record the fact, too, that Our Lord Himself foretold the upheaval that was to be the sad future of Israel – we are told that He actually wept over Jerusalem, revealing His deep love for His Chosen People and the Holy Land, and his sadness that they had rejected Him. His “sadness” note – there was no animosity, no violent response. By personal example, Christ showed us how to treat those who – for whatever reason – are not (yet, we hope) able to accept Him as the long-awaited Messiah. Any sign of malice, and we prove ourselves to be totally UN-Christian.
Thus, I think all that can be done, really, in practical terms, IS to try to encourage some form of peaceful co-existence between the Arabs and the Jews. Thankfully, they are each tolerant of the Christian presence in the region, so that is good, as I recall from my own visit to the Holy Land some years ago, when our group enjoyed the courtesy and the service of both Arabs and Jews. And I’ve got the photos to prove it!
That quote from the combox is very helpful, but my first thought was that we are not living in a Christian state, our government is not giving Christ his place, as King either, then it came to me that that is a bit different from actually creating a state “where He is not a King” especially when that state is the one country where Jesus was born, lived and died for our salvation.
I see that more clearly now. However, I’m wondering how peace will ever be achieved if the battle for the land is not resolved. I posted a video below, which does give hope, but then again, I was not impressed with the priest (not sure if he was Catholic or Orthodox) who seemed satisfied with a “live and let live” attitude, as if the religions are all equal before God. It’s a terrible situation. So many people in that video below impressed me – the Jews and the Muslims – not the priest!
It always comes back to the Consecration of Russia, doesn’t it.
If anyone with Half a Brain ( which that Guy Oliver has not ) who doesn’t know what’s Happening with the Israeli Moslem conflicts then their related to Rip Van Winkle. Since The Obama Men took back Power through Soros Etc the Moslems know they have their best Friends in power again. Let’s face it Biden probably couldn’t point to Israel on Google Earth and is again a Puppet of the Obama Men. BTW if anyone has Any Doubts where the Evil Obamas Sympathys Lies then they just need remember the $100sBillions he gave to the Iranian Moslems , in return for Martha Vineyards property and much much more. The Iranians especially knew they couldn’t mess with President Trump and they were Afraid of Him , of that their is no doubt. As for Hamas they are Evil and as Dennis Prager said use Children as Human Shields. They Fire Rockets out of Schools Etc then shout Foul when Israel defends itself. This was never more prevalent as when Israel built the Wall to stop ( and it did Stop) Suicide Bombers practically every day from killing Jews . O and the Moslems weren’t all that interested if it killed Children Either. Of course now we have the usual Leftist Idiots marching in London about the Strife of the Palestinians. One only has to look at the news of Hamas forcing them to Sing and Dance in the Streets to see how easily manipulated Moslems are. Also I personally have never heard of Oliver nor don’t really want to but He maybe should cast His Mind back to the Twin Towers where nearly everyone Murdered on that Terrible Day was a Civilian. The Iranians and Palestinians were having Parties and Dancing in the Streets. One other thing that should not go unnoticed is How much Palestine would flourish if they Tunnelled for Peace instead of all that effort going into Death. Of course Middle East Moslems especially are not all that fond of Working Boots. I remember a Friend of mine back in the 80s going to Libya as Linesman to learn the Moslems how to run in Overhead Cables Etc . He told me that none of them were interested and that He and others were wasting their time. Their Countries are S.H. for a reason. O yes they’ll stand behind a shop all day but work, hard Graft forget it .
I thought I would do a bit of research to educate myself on the topic and I thought this video was interesting and gives some hope for the future (even though it was made before the current fighting.)
I watched about 2/3 of Dennis’ video, and I can only say that whoever John Oliver is, he is a bona fide idiot inflated with fake indignation and mealy-mouthed talking points – which, as Dennis points out, have no relation to reality.
I suppose the leftists who pull Oliver’s strings think that if you have a British accent then that enhances your credibility with the couch potatoes who watch TV.
As for Biden’s failure to establish peace here, let me point out that (a) Biden does whatever he is told, and (b) war in the Middle East is a key part of the NWO agenda. Biden, or whoever is talking into his earpiece, represents that agenda. Therefore Israel is going to be smeared as the aggressor – in the press, in the UN, and in the USA and the EU – as long as the Bolsheviks are in power in the US.
President Trump knew that the wars in the Middle East, especially the on-going troubles between Israel and Palestine, were deliberately stoked by the NWO people with the help of the lackey media. There’s geopolitical gain and lots of financial profit to be had from keeping tensions in the Middle East alight, regardless of how many tens of thousands of innocent people die as a result.
The same evil few who are behind the COVID scam are behind the wars in the Middle East, which is why they couldn’t wait to defraud Trump out of office and start it all up again between Israel and Palestine.
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