New Motu Proprio on Traditional Latin Mass Worse Than Expected – A Shocker!

New Motu Proprio on Traditional Latin Mass Worse Than Expected – A Shocker!

16 July:  Feast of Our Lady of Mount Carmel.

Motu Proprio “Traditionis Custodes” abolishing Summorum Pontificum – WORSE than expected – Gloria TV has the story…  

Comments (85)

  • westminsterfly

    Full Motu Proprio and accompanying letter here:- God help us.

    July 16, 2021 at 12:32 pm

    Rorate Caeli: “The attack on Summorum is the strongest rebuke and Pontiff has done to any predecessor in living memory. Shocking, and terrifying. Francis HATES US. Francis HATES Tradition. Francis HATES all that is good and beautiful. Francis is an Anti-Christical figure for this age.”

    July 16, 2021 at 12:52 pm
    • Warydoom


      This is a slap in Our Lady of Mount Carmel’s face!

      But at the moment, Sydney and Melbourne at least have a few sympathetic bishops but I feel for those Traditional-minded faithful world wide with bishops who will delight in following Francis’s dictate.

      And along with the lockdowns etc, surely this indicates God is withdrawing further grace from the Church.

      July 16, 2021 at 1:40 pm
      • Athanasius


        God never withdraws His grace from the Church – it’s people who withdraw from God and His grace to serve Father of Lies. This is the first time since the foundation of the Church, however, that almost the entire hierarchy has thus fallen.

        July 17, 2021 at 10:07 am
      • Warydoom


        Thank you, I stand corrected.

        July 17, 2021 at 10:28 am
      • Athanasius


        Consider it more as a clarification than a correction. One of the benefits of this blog is that we all learn from it.

        July 17, 2021 at 12:25 pm
      • Warydoom

        Thank you Athanasius.

        July 17, 2021 at 1:00 pm
    • Margaret USA

      Over the past 8+ years, did you ever notice that quite a few of the significant decrees have occurred on the feast days of Our Lady?

      July 17, 2021 at 3:17 am
      • Athanasius

        Margaret USA

        It’s very interesting that you mention this because the bishops of Scotland first closed our churches (for 4 months) on March 19, 2020, the Feast of St. Joseph, Patron of the Universal Church, and they did so even before the government mandated it. If memory serves, the bishops of England and Wales did likewise. For me, this is no a coincidence.

        July 17, 2021 at 10:00 am
  • Andrew

    “Art. 1. The liturgical books promulgated by Paul VI and John Paul II, in conformity with the decrees of Vatican Council II, are the unique expression of the lex orandi of the Roman Rite.”

    This is just a lie. It is diabolical. As usual with things post-conciliar, it is ambiguous. If he wanted to abolish or abrogate the Traditional Latin Mass, then he should have used precise terms to do so. Instead, he merely issues a statement of “fact” (it’s not a fact at all – only the Traditional Latin Mass is the unique expression of the Roman Rite!)

    “In these celebrations the readings are proclaimed in the vernacular language…”

    This is an attack on tradition – the tradition of chanting the readings, which has a higher spiritual component than their mere didactic purpose of teaching Scripture.

    “Art. 8. Previous norms, instructions, permissions, and customs that do not conform to the provisions of the present Motu Proprio are abrogated.”

    So here I think you could say Pope Francis abrogates the idea that there are two “forms” of the Roman Rite. While on its surface that is good, the solution Francis brings is completely backwards. Interpreted broadly, this article abrogates Summorum Pontificum (a flawed document, but which had some shining truth in it), and all things with it…

    It is up to those few faithful bishops and priests to stand up against this evil. They will be judged by their Maker in how they responded. I do not envy them. Thank God for the Society of St. Pius X! And thank God for St. Archbishop Lefebvre!!

    July 16, 2021 at 1:31 pm
    • Athanasius


      You hit the nail right on the head in your final paragraph. This appalling criminal document of Francis will separate the men from the boys, the true Traditional Catholics from the theatrical ones. Now is the time for a full scale resistance to this Pope’s appalling assault on the Mass of the saints and martyrs, it will be interesting to see who fights the good fight and who plays the part of Judas through false obedience.

      July 16, 2021 at 1:49 pm
  • Athanasius

    So now we see the evil of Pope Francis and his fellow Communists in clerical dress in the full light of day. When they hate the Mass of the saints and martyrs you know they serve Lucifer! This man has done everything in his power to destroy the Catholic Church but he will inevitably fail, like all the Modernists before him.

    It will be interesting to see what happens now with the FSSP, ICK, etc. once they have their permissions taken away, which is now absolutely certain to happen over the next couple of years. It will also be interesting to see if the SSPX Menzingen hierarchy continues to appease the Francis Pontificate by its relative silence on so many of his scandals, or whether it will return to a bold public defence of the faith and Mass after the example of the saintly Archbishop Lefebvre.

    The best outcome we can hope and pray for is that the SSPX, FSSP, ICK, Good Shepherd and hundreds of Traditional Mass parish priests form one massive instituion in the Church to resist Francis and his fellow enemies of Our Lord to their face. Such an institution would steamroll right over these Modernist destroyers.

    July 16, 2021 at 1:44 pm
    • Andrew

      Eventually they will just use the Excommunication tool in their arsenal to beat traditionalists into a pulp. The threat is real! Personally, I’m taking refuge at the SSPX when I can. It’s over two hours away unfortunately.

      They will threaten with teeth, using Excommunication and other punishments, to do everything they can to stamp out Tradition forever. We will see who truly molds themselves and their actions after St. Athanasius. Words mean nothing without courageous actions.

      July 16, 2021 at 1:59 pm
      • Athanasius


        I absolutely agree with you, but excommunication does not apply under Canon Law when it is used as an instrument of abusive authority to force offences against God.

        Whether or not the SSPX can find the courage again to publicly stand up against the renewed persecution of faithful Catholics remains to be seen. There has been a definite toning down in recent years and it worries me that the present hierarchy of the SSPX may not be well disposed to rejoin the front line. I hope the superiors do get a wake up call from this new document of Francis and start speaking out again as Archbishop Lefebvre did and as Archbishop Vigano has continued to do while they have kept their heads down.

        July 16, 2021 at 3:36 pm
      • Margaret USA

        The average Catholic in the NO pew has had “obedience” crammed into them for the past 50+ years . They need sound Catholic catechesis plus the grace of God to recognize that the TLM is their birthright and they should not be deprived of it.

        July 17, 2021 at 3:26 am
    • editor


      Not only do I hate ever having to disagree with you, but it grieves me even to call into question any thought you may have entertained. Thus, while I love the idea that “the SSPX, FSSP, ICK, Good Shepherd and hundreds of Traditional Mass parish priests form one massive institution in the Church to resist Francis…” I have absolutely NO expectation that this will happen.

      Again, much as it grieves me to say so, the SSPX is unlikely to want to share what they undoubtedly perceive to be “the limelight” as this attack on Catholic Tradition deepens. Laughably, the folly of their resistance to purchasing a bigger church in Glasgow may well soon become ever more evident, if the priests currently offering the TLM allow themselves to be forced into submission and the faithful are left liturgically homeless. No point going to the SSPX if they’re going to be locked out, and not due to any virus.

      In any event, what you so laudably suggest requires zeal and, sorry to say, that is manifestly lacking in the SSPX these days. I’m told it’s different in the USA so who knows, they may come up with something big like you suggest but not in the UK.

      The sound system is poor where I attend Mass so I rely on snippets from others after Mass to catch up with sermons. I was stunned to hear, a few weeks back, that while the priest (a long-serving priest in this neck of the woods) acknowledged that Catholics must be “missionary”, he added that we do this today by (can you guess? Yip, got it in one)… praying. Gimme a break…

      So, just as they’re not exactly setting the heather on fire in Scotland, I doubt if they will be leading any major battle against this new persecution of the ancient Mass, any time soon.

      July 16, 2021 at 3:43 pm
      • Athanasius


        I cannot argue with your observations and your logic – but a man can dream, can’t he?

        Strange how the divisive Modernist prelates and clergy are universally united when it comes to destroying faith and morals and yet the Traditional ones can’t even get motivated to fight back. You hit the nail on the head with our Glasgow church, it’s the example par excellence of decreasing zeal.

        The way Francis and his cohorts are moving in for the kill this time there’s only going to be one choice – fight or die. There will be no compromise options on offer to the fainthearted!

        July 17, 2021 at 9:53 am
      • editor


        RCA Victor is having log in problems, so I promised to post the following reply from him to you here…

        A & E,

        The children of light always lag well behind the children of darkness. There must be some theological principle behind that, but don’t ask me what it is. Meanwhile, a friend of mine has re-named this despicable document to “Motu Inappropio.”

        Love the “inapproprio” – which I almost corrected, thinking it a typo!

        July 17, 2021 at 4:09 pm
      • Warydoom


        Below is an excellent but different slant on Traditionis Custodes.

        I had actually wondered if the publication was due to his having the operation and that spurred him on to putting it out soon rather than later so it is interesting to read a bit of background here.

        Btw in a previous comment I said I had hoped that the Sydney and Melbourne archdioceses would be sympathetic to the continuing of the freedom of the TLM. Sadly, to my daughter distress, Melbourne’s archbishop has promptly shut down the TLM excepting a personal parish there, citing obedience to the Pope.

        July 18, 2021 at 3:45 am
  • Athanasius

    Given that Pope Francis has already countenanced the placing of a pagan idol on the very altar of St. Peter, has used the Maundy Thursday liturgy to introduce the heresy of washing the feet of non-Christians and women, has sold out the Chinese underground Church to the Communist authorities, has blessed a transgender couple in the Vatican, has undermined all Catholic opposition to abortion and homosexuality, has tried to enforce universal Catholic co-operation in global programme of abortion-tainted vaccines etc., etc., it would be to stretch the imagination beyond its limits to think that this man is a mere material heretic. What he has now done with the Mass of the saints and martyrs smacks of utter hatred for the Traditional Faith and a vindictive determination to wipe it out, which of course will fail.

    This latest insult to Our Lord may well result in his being called very suddenly to his judgment, for this is a direct assault on the sacrifice of Calvary, the very heart of the faith upon which all else depends. What Pope Francis has effectively announced by this new repression of the ancient Mass represents a declaration of war against his Divine Master. Woe betide him if he fails to repent of this Luciferian act.

    July 16, 2021 at 3:30 pm
    • Faith of Our Fathers

      Athanasius am with you as I wasn’t surprised in fact His next step ,if He lives that Long will be to attack the Ten Commandments. Unofficially of course ,The Godfather has them down to Eight ,as Adultery nor Sodomy nor Murder of a Child counts as Sin, will He actually go all the way and say Moses was having hallucinations. Then of course He has reduced the Sacraments as one need not go to the Sacrament of Reconciliation and the Sacrament of Extreme Unction is now not required by The Godfathers concept of Catholicism, if indeed This Horrible Man has any concept of Catholicism at all except of course that Judas is in Heaven along with all of the other Despots . Probably like most on Here The Godfather has been off my Christmas List for years although I still tried to pray for him but no more . It is now completely clear that like Judas He is Demonic and like Judas The Godfather Himself was a Witness to a Miracle, yet it is obvious now that He did not Believe.
      Probably his successor will make a Statue of Him and place it beside that other Heretical hero of His Martin Luther. Or will this Be his final insult to Our Lord .
      Also remember The Godfathers attack on Our Blessed Lady . Not many people are willing to Forgive anyone who attacks their Mother.

      July 16, 2021 at 5:57 pm
      • Theresa Rose

        Here we have Cardinal Burke criticising Pope Francis’ harshness.

        July 17, 2021 at 9:15 pm
      • editor

        Theresa Rose,

        What a miserable excuse of a statement from Cardinal Burke. Goodness me. I wouldn’t like to ask to share his umbrella in a rainstorm. I’d be soaked!

        July 17, 2021 at 11:22 pm
  • editor

    Well, if this is the Bishop Joseph Strickland who is “supporting” Father Altman, all I can say is that I wouldn’t want him on my team… thanks but no thanks!

    July 16, 2021 at 3:30 pm
    • Athanasius


      I see what you mean. Here, once again, we have a bishop who knows the truth but who values his episcopal position more and therefore plays politics and ends up expressing sophism instead of truth. Very sad to listen to a bishop who can’t bring himself to just tell it as it is – it’s cowardice and is completely incompatible with the duty of those bound by Our Lord to feed His flock. Shocking!

      July 16, 2021 at 3:49 pm
      • editor


        In his Taylor Marshal interview, Fr Altman makes the point about the lack of masculinity within the episcopate. Never has it been more obvious than in this case with the mealy-mouthed Bishop Strickland issuing his ridiculous exhortation to “obedience” . He needs to sit down and watch that Taylor Marshall interview. And I say that as someone who is officially jealous of Taylor Marshall.

        God help us all, with such weak shepherds ruling over us. Let’s hope they don’t find a new archbishop for Glasgow for a while. I, for one, need to recharge my batteries…

        July 16, 2021 at 4:00 pm
    • Faith of Our Fathers

      I take it Fr Altman being a Lawyer wouldn’t want such of a Mealy Mouthed Lukewarm so called Bishop defending Him in a Court. Ad bet my Grannies Pension Book,that this Man who by His very demeanour even in this short Video, voted for Biden.
      What Garbage Obedience over Truth. That was the S.S. Soldiers excuses when they were Murdering People by the Millions ” I was only carrying out orders ” . Just one thing al wait to see if my Parish carries on with our Latin Mass before I put my hands in My Pocket. It’s high time these so called Excellencys were removed of their Servants and Cushy ,too Cushy Material Lifestyles. Strickland A modern day Pontius Pilate who obviously would Obey Caesar before following Truth.

      July 16, 2021 at 6:32 pm
      • heloisa

        Bishop Strickland has a right to express his opinions, just as Fr Altman has a right to express his. The difference between a Priest defending Catholic Truth and expressing his own opinions on a subject has been correctly covered by the Bishop.

        Your opinion (and that of others here) that Bishop Strickland is mealy-mouthed and your own addition that he voted for Biden (and all that entails) because you personally don’t like his demeanour, is gross calumny. Unless you have proof that he is a fraud, in which case do please produce it.

        July 18, 2021 at 4:34 pm
      • Athanasius


        I disagree with your take on Bishop Strickland, as I’m sure many others will do. Fr. Altman, an excellent priest, is clearly being persecuted for speaking the truth and yet Bishop Strickland, who was not slow to speak out forcefully against abortion-tainted vaccines, plays the part of the politician with those weak comments regarding his brother bishop’s outrageoous abuse of authority. Sorry, I don’t like people who blow hot and cold depending on who they have to disagree with. It’s because so many bishops like Strickland are mostly timid within the episcopal college that the raving liberals are walking all over the truths of the faith and anyone who attempts to defend them. Give me an Archbishop Vigano any day to a Bishop Strickland!

        As regards the “gross calumny” you wrongly accuse FOOF of, I think your own assessment of Pope Francis’s intentions and motives at the bottom of this page rather makes you look a bit hypocritical.

        July 18, 2021 at 4:58 pm
      • editor


        I must have missed that – I’ve not heard Fr Altman expressing any opinion on anything – except the disgraceful closure of churches during lockdown and that is an “opinion” which should have been held by every bishop in the world.

        Is that what you mean by his opinion(s)? Otherwise, would you enlighten me, please.

        I would only add for now that Bishop Strickland is entirely wrong to make “obedience” the litmus test – ever. I really thought that anyone who has a smidgen of understanding about the nature of obedience and the distinctions to be made when considering it, would have been very clear in their mind that Father Altman is NOT a disobedient priest, properly understood – and one would really expect Bishop Strickland to properly understand the nature of obedience in the context of religious obedience.

        July 18, 2021 at 5:05 pm
  • RCAVictor

    I wonder what Cardinal Ratzinger’s reaction, if any, will be. I’m not holding my breath…

    July 16, 2021 at 3:35 pm
    • editor

      RCA Victor,

      You took the words out of my mouth. “Breath-holding”? Me neither…

      July 16, 2021 at 3:49 pm
  • RCAVictor

    I notice that the Modernist buzzword “unity” is the justification for this scandal, as it was for the removal of Fr. Altman.

    July 16, 2021 at 3:38 pm
    • editor

      RCA Victor,

      And yet they forget that in order to get around their departure from Catholic Tradition, they introduced the meaningless concept of unity in diversity. Whatever happened to that, then?

      Idiots, every one…

      July 16, 2021 at 3:50 pm
    • Athanasius


      Except when they speak of “unity” they mean unity in their rebellion against divine truth.

      I think Francis waited until Benedict was too ill to respond. As far as I know, Benedict is anything but a well man.

      July 16, 2021 at 3:52 pm
  • Athanasius

    I should have said “Ratzinger” rather than “Benedict” because, of course, he is no longer Pope Benedict, not even in the “emeritus” sense. That all ceased when he abdicated in 2013.

    July 16, 2021 at 3:54 pm
  • Deacon Augustine

    Given what we all witnessed on 4th October 2019 with Francis blessing a Pachamama idol, having the idol paraded by bishops into St Peter’s and then accepted an offering to that idol on his altar during Mass, I don’t understand why people get upset with me when I refer to Francis as an apostate.

    What he has done today on this Feast of Our Lady, as with so many other things that he has done, confirms to me that he works for the “other side” and that he is, indeed, an apostate. He is a one man abomination of desolation who has set himself up in the Temple of God and I still strongly suspect that this pestilence raging across the face of the earth is punishment for the idolatry that has occurred in the heart of God’s people.

    Hope the SSPX manage to keep their distance.

    July 16, 2021 at 5:00 pm
    • Athanasius

      Deacon Augustine

      I agree with you that Pope Francis represents an abomination at the heart of the Church, that he is in fact an apostate, and that the present sufferings in the Church and the world are largely a punishment for his crimes against the holy Catholic Faith. But I would add that no matter how bad a Pope he is and no matter how destructive, let the sedevecantists understand that they still do not have the authority from God to depose him.

      All we can do, as subordinates in the Church, is to resist him to his face whenever he says or does something destructive of Faith. I just wanted to make that point.

      July 16, 2021 at 6:03 pm
      • Faith of Our Fathers

        Athanasius when St Paul resisted St Peter to His face –am obviously no Theologian –but am sure it meant Fisticuffs I.E. me and you outside Peter and we’ll settle this . I couldn’t see these Men being Effeminate and want to Discuss it in a Safe Space over a Game of Snakes and Ladders. So to resist this Horrible Man to His Face should mean the same.

        July 16, 2021 at 6:58 pm
      • Athanasius


        No, as far as I understand it St. Paul was extremely forthright in his words to St. Peter, but not to the point of inflicting violence on the first Pope. Fortunately, St. Peter was a good man with humility who recognised his error and repneted immediately. Francis doesn’t have even a modicum of humility beneath that act he puts on.

        July 16, 2021 at 8:24 pm
      • Faith of Our Fathers

        Just a few years ago pre Vatican 2 BTW ,I remember a Priest Sermon taped of course ,who didn’t mince His words suggesting that St Paul resisted St Peter to His face. As in Fisticuffs. Still it would have been good to have listened to that argument. As for the Godfather the Man has been a write off as far as am concerned for years now and should be resisted to His face . After all we all know He was a Bouncer in an Argentinian Night Club ( His words ) as for Humility av never seen a Demonic yet who was Humble and He’s certainly no exemption.
        Just as a P.S . Av also never heard any Humility come from the Alphabet Mob either ??

        July 16, 2021 at 9:15 pm
      • editor


        That priest was wrong. There is absolutely nothing in the account of St Paul standing up to Peter “because he was to blame” what suggests violence. Tell that priest from me that he’s talking nonsense.

        July 16, 2021 at 11:13 pm
      • heloisa

        If that’s your idea of being a man, heaven help us all! One half effeminate, the other half incapable of resolving a serious disagreement or theological crisis without fisticuffs. So unless I’m told otherwise, for now I’ll assume your comment was tongue-in-cheek.

        July 18, 2021 at 3:15 pm
      • Deacon Augustine


        Your point is well taken – I am not about to jump the shark into sede land.

        I believe that an imperfect Council would have the power to depose an heretical/apostate pope, but the chances of such taking place with the craven episcopate we suffer under are nil. In fact the majority of bishops/cardinals are right along with him in his apostasy and they only pretend to be Catholics when they think that is what will advance their careers.

        Perhaps a more virulent strain of the virus will provide a biological solution to the problem – if the fate of Arius does not befall him first. I pray that he turns back to the real God before his time comes.

        July 16, 2021 at 11:04 pm
      • Athanasius

        Deacon Augustine

        I do not doubt that you would stay well clear of the sedevacantist trap but I thought I would add the clarification for others who may be tempted to bitter zeal.

        As regards the virus, I think it is far more likely that the vaccines represent the greater danger to the lives of millions, our compliant shepherds not excepted!

        July 17, 2021 at 12:12 am
    • Faith of Our Fathers

      Deacon this Terrible Marxist Man who has never been a Catholic certainly seems to get a Kick ( although not the one lots on Here would like to give ) making these Demonic Announcements on Feast Days commerated to Our Lady . His last one that He more or less said in that now useless double talk was in reference to the Hail Mary . I E that the Praying –Holy Mother of God — was more or less stretching things . I stand to be corrected but am sure He said that on the Feast Day of The Annunciation.

      July 16, 2021 at 7:28 pm
  • Editor

    Deacon Augustine,

    I don’t think you’ll find anyone here getting upset at you (or anyone else) calling Francis an apostate. What we can’t do is challenge his election because that is way above our pay grade as lay people. I firmly believe that some day there will be future pope (soon, I hope!) who will make an historical pronouncement on the pontificate (if not the eternal destination) of Pope Francis the First, and, please God, the Last…

    Indeed, I’ve already spoken to clergy today who are thoroughly sick of Francis, this attack on the ancient Mass being the last straw.

    July 16, 2021 at 6:10 pm
  • Victor

    “through is the principle taught by St. Thomas Aquinas in the Summa Theologica (II, II, q. 33, a.4). That one may not oppose the authority of the Church except in the case of imminent danger to the Faith.” – Archbishop Lefebvre, 1983

    Presumably this includes Pope Francis? What is the danger of the Traditional Latin Mass and the need to revoke Pope Benedict’s decree? In fact what was the justification for the Second Vatican Council then? The Latin Mass was before my time and I grew up with the Novus Ordo. I am still learning about the TLM but recently I found a dusty old Douay Bible on the shelf that includes a picture form of the TLM! I’m aware that the SSPX uses the 1962 missal of John XXIII, does anyone have a good explanation of what the exact changes were made by John XXIII?

    For all the tolerance Francis shows for other religions and idols this reeks of persecution. It seems he has banned TLM from parish churches, Art. 3 Sec. 2 “…the faithful… may gather… not however in the parochial churches.” I can’t find any justification for doing so other than trying to enforce separation and then to get rid of it entirely.

    July 16, 2021 at 6:36 pm
    • Athanasius


      Archbishop Lefebvre was very insistent that his priests accept the 1962 missal because the changes made did not represent a danger to faith. One such change was the introduction of St. Joseph into the Canon, I believe. Besides that, while Pope John XXIII promulgated the 1962 missal, the actual liturgical texts were prepared during the Pontificate of Pius XII. The 1969 missal promulgated by Paul VI, however, was an entirely different proposition – it did represent a danger to faith, which is why the Archbishop rejected it.

      July 17, 2021 at 12:16 am
  • gabriel syme

    Previously, I had said I would wait for a document to arrive, before I would get too worried or angry about this!

    I hoped such a document would not arrive, but I guess we are at that point now!

    (I am still glad I did not waste time and mental peace over Bergoglio’s scheming and drivel).

    The document is obviously worthless and not to be taken seriously and so in a sense it is not really worthwhile analysing its specific content. People ask “why now?” – clearly the previous TLM survey is the pretext for this, although, of course, they will not release the gathered information.

    As to why they did not seek a pretext earlier, most likely, when Francis arrived, they were still watching the situation but becoming increasingly concerned at the growth of the TLM. The timing of this indicates the point at which their comfort was finally eroded.

    In recent years, increasing numbers of “canonically regular” clergy – in addition to ordinary lay people – felt increasingly confident about speaking openly (in person and in blogs etc) about Vatican II and its errors. Even though these numbers have still been small overall, in my opinion this increasing openness/ boldness probably what spooked the modernists at least as much as the number of TLMs which have appeared.

    As it turns out, a canon lawyer has analysed the document (see link). He makes some interesting observations; for example the document refers to “the missal antecedent to the reform of 1970”. This is the editio typica of 1965 with the alterations of Tres abhinc annos of 4 May 1967, not the 1962 missal. How are we to regard this? Is it really such a basic mistake, or some kind of double=speak?

    The document lacks clarity, a hallmark of Francis and a tactic to allow modernism to exploit ambiguity, as usual. However, we should use that ambiguity to our advantage in the same ways as “they” do. Clergy should ignore restrictions and rules – again, just like “they” do. Make a mess, like Francis asked for.

    Recently, German clergy held mass public blessings for same sex couples, shortly after the CDF said God cannot bless sin. What was the “comeback” from Church authorities for that? Nothing.

    After the same CDF statement, Cardinal Shonborn immediately publicly announced that no same sex couple who asked for a blessing would be refused one. What was the “comeback” from Church authorities for that? Nothing.

    Look at New Ways Ministry etc, what “comeback” from Church authorities do groups like that get? None.

    I do not mean clergy should foster disobedience and division, but rather ignore evil orders, while remaining always loyal to Our Lord and His Church. Eternal Rome! Even the secular world managed to establish (at Nuremberg) that it is not permissible to follow evil orders – and so it should not be beyond the wit of Catholics to realise this too. In any case, is it *really* faithful Catholics who are fostering division, simply by wanting to be authentically Catholic?

    Most Catholics (those I know anyway) do not follow much Church news and developments beyond their own parish or favoured charity, or shrine, for example. But, for those who do, who can still fail to see that the modern Church is in total crisis, with a hierarchy rotten to the core?

    How “canonically regular” priests respond to this will be telling and will sort the men from the boys, as others have said. Ditto organisations like Una Voce. There are very many options available, beyond being walked over.

    Bishop Antonio de Castro Mayer (of Campos, Brazil) – who acted as co-consecrating Bishop, when Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre consecrated the SSPX Bishops – refused to sign a document of reconciliation from Church authorities, which arrived at his death bed shortly he died from respiratory failure. The document promoted an express acceptance that there was no emergency in the Church (i.e. there were no problems) and that his excommunication – for acting as if there were an emergency – has been valid. This is the kind of great confidence clergy must have.

    One positive to this development is that it both underlines both the position and necessity of the SSPX. It also vindicates the position of many lay people to align with the Society, to avoid having the legs taken from them, by malicious document such as these.

    Ultimately, when we consider the earlier concessions (surrenders, more accurately) – regarding confession and marriage – made to the SSPX, Catholics are probably still “up” overall during this pontificate. (at least for now).

    Faithful Catholics should only finance traditionalist orders (chiefly the SSPX) and diocesan priests committed to the TLM. Do not give money to modernist controlled Dioceses. or Peters pence.

    July 16, 2021 at 9:56 pm
    • Athanasius

      Gabriel Syme

      The only observation I would add to your insightful comment is that while our faithless hierarchy may turn a deaf ear and blind eye to genuinely sinful disobedience, i.e., the blessing of same-sex couples, they will come down on faithful Catholics with an iron fist for disobeying out of love for the faith. These men are vindictive enemies of Our Lord and His holy Church and they know well how to abuse the authority invested in their sacred office for evil ends.

      July 17, 2021 at 12:02 am
  • editor

    N O T I C E . . .

    This is a long shot, folks, but I’m trying to find a high resolution photo of any of our Conferences, showing the audience. Our last Conference was in 2017 at the Eagle Lodge in Bishopbriggs.

    If you were there and have access to any photos you took, would you email me a copy at or perhaps you know someone who took some photos?

    Any help you can offer will be hugely appreciated.

    Thank you.

    July 17, 2021 at 9:23 am
  • westminsterfly

    For all those feeling depressed and despondent (myself included) by yesterday’s ‘motu proprio’ – a timely reminder from Our Lady of Good Success at Quito, Ecuador: “In order to free men from bondage to these heresies, those whom the merciful love of My Most Holy Son will destine for that restoration will need great strength of will, constancy, valour and much confidence in God. To test this faith and confidence of the just, there will be occasions when everything will seem to be lost and paralyzed. This, then, will be the happy beginning of the complete restoration.”

    July 17, 2021 at 10:18 am
    • Theresa Rose


      I agree with you. I am glad to read of your timely reminder from Our Lady of Good Success at Quito, Ecuador.

      Along with attending the Traditional Latin Mass as often as possible. I would hope that many Catholics would increase in praying the Rosary too.

      July 17, 2021 at 11:53 am
    • Athanasius


      I agree with Theresa Rose – your reminder of Our Lady’s words are a timely help for our flagging spirits.

      July 17, 2021 at 12:26 pm
    • editor


      Interesting that you should mention feeling despondent – last night I had a call from a friend whom I had texted to let her know about the new Motu Proprio (she’s not online)

      She was definitely despondent and asked if she could come for a visit. While she was here, I mentioned Father Altman and asked her if she’d like to watch the Taylor Marshall (of whom I am officially jealous) interview with him. She said “yes” and was clearly moved by Father’s plight.

      Just knowing that there are some good priests out there, is a consolation at this time. When Father Altman said that there were “hundreds” of priests like him out there, she repeated “hundreds” in amazement.

      So, it’s very true that people are despondent, more so now than ever before. The crisis in the Church, coupled with this horrendous pontificate, is enough to send anyone running for the hills.

      Indeed, Athanasius often quotes Fr Malachy Martin (himself a Jesuit) who said, nevertheless, that if a Jesuit is ever elected to the papacy, run for the hills.

      Now, however, is not the time to weaken; we need to hold fast, as St Paul teaches, in the knowledge that we are in the care of Divine Providence.

      July 17, 2021 at 1:03 pm
      • Faith of Our Fathers.

        Not one More Penny from me until I see what Our Bishop Does . Not One More Half Penny. Nothing. The Godfather runs the Show so let him dig into the Supposed $2 Billion he received from the Chinese Communists for The destruction of the True Catholic Church in China.

        July 17, 2021 at 11:34 pm
  • westminsterfly

    From a Fr Francis Jordan:

    Still we have the task of becoming like the apostles. Therefore, we must above all else cling to the cross and be ready to drink the cup. I would like to say your main task is: bibere calicem, quam bibit Dominus noster, “to drink the cup which our Lord drank.” And how should we drink it, where, why, how will we receive it? We are walking in the footsteps of Jesus Christ, we seek to extend his kingdom, we seek to become like the apostles, we seek to spread the teachings proclaimed by the apostles, we seek to oppose the vices against which the Divine Savior and the apostles labored – that is why we will receive the cross. But how will we receive this cross?

    First we will receive it from hell, from the opponent of salvation, from the fierce enemy who hates everything which is from God, from the opponent who hates us and pursues us when we work to destroy his empire and spread the kingdom of Jesus Christ. Therefore, he will pursue us in all directions, as far as he can. So we must engage him in battle! But this cup is one of the easier ones to endure.

    A more bitter cup comes from evil people. That is the second point: to be pursued by those evil people who attack us because we confront their passions in our desire to restrict their lack of restraint when we want to bring them under the law of Jesus Christ. And the wicked enemy will strengthen them, and these people will be worse than those who come from hell itself. We must drink the cup presented by evil people.

    A third cup an apostolic person must drink and which is even much more bitter is the one prepared for him by good people when they misunderstand him, his plans and his intentions; when as a result of this people believe they are doing something good when they obstruct them [his plans]! The Divine Savior even says: One will believe he is doing a service to God when he pursues them! Therefore, you must also be ready to drink this cup, the cup of good people who mean well but who do not understand you well; that is, the cup they hand you. That is the third cup, but not yet the most bitter.

    The last, if God should pass it to you, is when even those appointed by God to support and guard you, even the church authorities, lay obstacles in your path. This is the fourth and most bitter! But God can insist that you drink this cup also. And if you were to ask a St. Francis or a St. Vincent which was the most bitter cup for them, they would say it was when I was forbidden by the superiors to preach

    July 17, 2021 at 3:08 pm
  • Marinaio

    As legendary baseball coach Yogi Berra (a great Italian-American!) said: “It’s deja vu all over again.” the bad old days are back, but worse. Still, Francis has clearly overstepped his bounds right after a gospel (last Sunday) in which Our Lord warns against ravening wolves in sheep’s clothing. We take solace in the fact that his “Traditionis Custodes” is surely null and void. And we are comforted that the Mass of the Ages, as Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was wont to call it, can never really be abrogated, obrogated, or derogated. What we refer to as the “Traditional Latin Mass” will continue, until the end of earthly time. Lucifer and all his demons cannot snuff it out. Not even Francis, in all his fury, can kill the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass! In the meantime, we faithful Catholics will likely face some very difficult days. As of this writing (4:30 pm Scotland time), we can find nothing from the SSPX on this development; no sound but cricket chirps from Menzingen and not a word on the USA District website. We are inclined to agree with our dear Editor regarding how the SSPX will position itself in all of this.
    Our local pastor of the FSSP parish sent out a letter expressing his confidence that our bishop (Boise, Idaho) would continue to allow this one and only place in the whole (very large) Gem State to have the Mass. Meanwhile, bishops like the one in Little Rock, Arkansas, have rapidly issued policy and guidance letters, seizing upon the Francis sentiment that the Summorum Pontificum had been a big mistake by Benedict XVI. Interestingly, in his ready-to-go letter, the bishop of Little Rock let the cat out of the bag, confirming what we all suspected since last March (2020). At that time, our local Boise diocesan paper quoted our bishop (Christensen) as announcing that he was complying with a Vatican request for all dioceses around the world to provide Rome with detailed information on the progress of the Traditional Latin Mass. Bishop Christensen made clear (as he prohibited in the same announcement any “ad orientiem” Novus Ordo Masses) that the Vatican was soliciting very specific data regarding such things as how many venues there are in each diocese for the TLM, how many faithful regularly attend, etc. Now we know what we suspected at the time: it was the beginning of the suppression of the Mass of the Ages!
    We have lived through times like this before and we will survive on the words of Our Lord Jesus Christ: “. . . the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.” And on the words of our Blessed Mother: “In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph.” And as St. Padre Pio famously said: “The world could sooner survive without the sun than it could without the Mass.” In the meantime, may Almighty God have mercy on us. . .

    July 17, 2021 at 3:34 pm
    • editor


      “…Francis has clearly overstepped his bounds…”

      Got it in one! Francis certainly has overstepped his bounds – and to quote Pope Saint Pius V, is likely to feel the wrath of Almighty God as a result. Here’s the conclusion of that Pope’s Bull Quo Primum (1570) granting to all priests everywhere, in perpetuity, the right to offer the TLM.

      “…Therefore, no one whosoever is permitted to alter this notice of Our permission, statute, ordinance, command, precept, grant, indult, declaration, will, decree, and prohibition. Should know that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul.

      Given at St. Peter’s in the year of the Lord’s Incarnation, 1570, on the 14th of July of the Fifth year of Our Pontificate.

      Notice that date – almost to the very day, now, in 2021, has Francis, in his unspeakable arrogance, risked incurring the wrath of Almighty God.

      July 17, 2021 at 11:31 pm
  • editor

    I received this short video by email…

    July 17, 2021 at 4:22 pm
  • Theresa Rose presents two discussions, the first between Matt Gaspars and Brian McCall. The second betwen Brian McCall and Chris Ferrara under the title ‘Going Contrary to Church Tradition? Breaking News Pope Francis cancels Traditional Mass.

    May we have soon a Pope who will Consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and, who will order the Bishops to join with him at the same time in that said Consecration. What a miracle we will see then.

    July 17, 2021 at 7:33 pm
    • editor

      Theresa Rose,

      I watched the half-hour or so conversation between Chris Ferrara and Brian McCall which is very good. Ferrara goes through the Motu Proprio article by article and exposes its nonsense. Well worth watching that podcast.

      July 17, 2021 at 11:24 pm
  • crouchback

    Tis I, Backcrouch, can’t seem to get on here now a days.
    Frank is coming to Glasgow later in the year. He’ll be strapped in to one of Jimmy Youngs mobile comodes as the back side has fallen litteraly out of his … “passage”…..they used to be operated by Terry Wigan… before his undercarriage failed

    What are the odds of him dying in Glasgow…???

    We could feed several African villages if we set up a betting syndicate… and we get the silly old sausage to take a dive… for the African village.

    What’s not to like

    July 18, 2021 at 12:24 am
  • Crouchback

    Look I’m not a medical person… but if I had only one functioning lung, a game leg and half my colon had just been binned… and I’m being potty trained at 83 years old… how to use and empty my new bag….!!!

    I think writing a load of half truths and out right lies on the Latin Mass would be very far from my troubles…..

    So who wrote this dreadfully document in the first place…???

    July 18, 2021 at 12:55 am
  • Athanasius

    This effort is what Francis calls “the authentic rite of Mass”. You’d never see this kind of horrendous priestly behaviour in the ancient Mass of the saints and martyrs. Every Traditional Mass priest MUST disobey this horrific Pope if they value their eternal salvation.

    July 18, 2021 at 1:20 pm
    • Athanasius


      Thanks for posting this link. I’m afraid, however, that the author of the piece has no clue about the liturgical changes. This was especially evident in the claim that the Latin Mass and the New vernacular Mass differed only in language and whether or not the priest faced the altar or the congregation. No one with even a modicum of liturgical understanding would have made such a statement. There are also many other parts of the article that are incorrect, or at the very least the product of a liberal viewpoint of the crisis.

      July 18, 2021 at 5:28 pm
  • heloisa

    I don’t agree that this is much worse than expected, so am just repeating something I wrote in reply to someone elsewhere.

    —-“It amazes me how many people on forums are throwing up their hands in horror as if this wasn’t expected. To anyone following Catholic News for the last few years, it was simply when, not if he would do this. I’m actually somewhat surprised that he hasn’t just banned it completely, rather than going down the death by a thousand cuts route. But how can one read the mind of someone who hates God and His Church?

    Coming soon, I believe, will be the removal of the Sanctuary Light because they don’t want anyone believing in the Real Presence. People who have access to the TLM will simply be in the same position as many people were originally in the 60s and many of us are now – home alone without Mass or a Priest or the Sacraments. So I’ll just add ‘join the club’ to your ‘suck it up’! The worse things get, the closer we are to God’s intervention. A time for the making of new Saints!”—-

    I’d just add here, for good measure!, that if anyone wanted my suggestion for the so-called three days of darkness’, it would be when the Sanctuary Light is extinguished pretty well everywhere. Not even the worst cataclysmic earthly convulsions could equal the blotting out of the Light given by the Sacrifice of Calvary.

    July 18, 2021 at 4:04 pm
    • Athanasius


      You must be gifted with greater insight than the rest of us if you truly expected this Pope’s motu proprio to be quite as bad as it has turned out to be.

      No one, for example, could have predicted the vindictive tone of his writing or the public rebuke he offered to his living predecessor, Benedict XVI, and no one could have guessed that he would go so far as to not only reverse Summorum Pontificum, but also forbid priests permitted to continue with the TLM from celebrating in parish churches. And no one could have foreseen that any future permissions for priests to celebrate the old rite would have to be granted by the Roman authorities, or that younger priests wishing to learn the Latin Mass should be refused. Nor indeed could we have believed in our wildest imaginations that he would actually say that Novus Ordo is the authentic rite of the Church, thereby abrogating the TLM as an authentic liturgical rite.

      No, I’m afraid that even those of us who have grasped for some time the monumental scandal this man represents on the Chair of St. Peter didn’t see half of this coming. This moru proprio was an expression of the purest hatred of the Mass of the saints and martyrs, expressed hatefully. None of us thought he’d go that far.

      July 18, 2021 at 4:26 pm
      • heloisa

        Athanasius, I feel a bit like Victor(ia) Meldrew! I seriously can’t believe what you’re saying. Francis hates Catholicism because he hates God and is Satan’s tool. Whether that means he wittingly ‘sold his soul’ to the devil at some point, I’ve no idea and it’s not my call, but the man is full of hate and what he hates more than anything is anything pure and Holy.

        I remember watching a video of him visiting a Shrine of Our Lady in about 2014 or 2015 – possibly Poland. When he stood in front of Her statue for a while, he was staring at it with what I can only describe as pure malice, with a strange look on his face as if he was almost daring Her to try and stop him – or something like that. It actually gave me the creeps at the time (not for the first or last time). The video, as far as I can tell. has disappeared.

        For years people have been writing about End Times, Satan’s 100 years, modernism, liberalism, the real destructive power of VII and the real reasons etc behind its inception. What is the one goal they all have in common? The destruction of the True Faith and the Catholic Church. What is Satan’s goal? Oh, right, the same – along with the establishment of an Anti-Church.

        How then could you not see this coming? I believe Benedict’s act was willed by God – perhaps to establish an active witness to the True Church/Faith/Mass during these times. So Catholics and everyone else can make their choice, but how can Christ’s Church suffer its own Passion without suffering death like Christ? Or rather to appear to have been irrevocably destroyed?

        “Nor indeed could we have believed in our wildest imaginations……”. Athanasius, with respect, one hardly needs any imagination at all, let alone a wild one, to know that this had to happen – and I still believe that the extinguishing of the Sanctuary Lamp and a clear denial of Transubstantiation has to follow. Catholicism will then appear, to all intents and purposes, to be dead and buried.

        We know, of course, that Francis, along with the rest of those who espouse the same hatred for God are also fools, because they cannot succeed. So why all the huffing and puffing? Christ is still in the boat and not asleep. I do wonder though, whether a lot of people who are blessed (and it is a blessing) to have access to the TLM and Traditional Sacraments, aren’t really just amazed that God is actually allowing it to happen – with all the grief its likely to bring them. I suspect at least some of them were expecting God to protect their Parishes – rather like an island sanctuary.

        July 18, 2021 at 7:11 pm
      • Athanasius


        Would it be safe to assume, then, that you reject Francis as an anti-Pope because of his evil actions and your feelings about his general demeanour when standing before a statue of Our Lady? If so then I’m afraid you’re on the wrong forum, we don’t stretch to sedevacantism here.

        Yes, Pope Francis is a scandal to the Church, the worst Pope in history, but he’s still the Supreme Pontiff and our criticisms must therefore always bear that in mind. Remember also that this same Pope has declared 2021 to be the year of St. Joseph – not exactly what we’d expect from a man who has sold his soul to Satan!

        July 18, 2021 at 7:20 pm
      • heloisa

        Athanasius, if you are assuming from my reply that I’m a sedevacantist, you’re on another planet, never mind the wrong forum. It would, however, perhaps explain why you didn’t see this Motu Proprio coming. Or is that the usual accusation you hurl at anyone who doesn’t agree with you? In passing, when someone looks at an image of someone with hate in their eyes, most of humanity would assume that person isn’t in love with the person the image represents.

        You also appear to be an innocent abroad with your remark about the year of St Joseph. One doesn’t need to be Einstein to understand how people trying to destroy something good behave; trying to confuse the issue and mislead people by suddenly doing something out of character, (in this case performing the action of a good Pope), is exactly how Francis continues to fool so many Catholics into believing he’s all love and mercy and is leading them all home to Heaven. Does that include you, then?

        Anyway I assume, from what you’ve written, that behaving like someone on a one-man mission (with help) to destroy Christ’s Church, is what you personally expect from someone who ISN’T serving Satan?

        July 18, 2021 at 7:57 pm
      • editor

        Listen you,

        Take a visit to our House Rules – you will find that nasty personal remarks are not allowed and nor are rather rude personal remarks.

        Talk about “One doesn’t need to be Einstein”…

        Clearly not.

        July 18, 2021 at 8:03 pm
      • heloisa

        P.S. My atheist husband has just reminded me that he himself said 4 or 5 years ago that this is what Francis would do. Why? To destroy the Church because he’s a Marxist and hates Her.

        July 18, 2021 at 7:36 pm
      • editor


        Sorry to interrupt, but I thought I’d remind you of the question I asked earlier, the answer to which I await with bated breath…

        July 18, 2021 at 7:59 pm
      • editor

        Maybe your atheist husband wasn’t thinking about the possibility that Pope Benedict would still be alive? Few of us thought Francis would be so brazen as to do what he’s done while the author of Summorum Pontificum is still alive, effectively slapping Benedict in the face, although…

        Frankly, I can understand the temptation, since Benedict promised him unconditional obedience at the outset!

        Incredible. So, in a sense, Benedict deserves that effective slap in the face.

        July 18, 2021 at 8:06 pm
  • RCAVictor

    Unless I missed someone’s post, have you all noticed that there’s a letter accompanying the M.P., just like Summorum?

    Seems there is somewhat of a transition period between now and the time that Francis thinks he can erase the Traditional Mass from the face of the earth…

    July 18, 2021 at 8:55 pm
    • Athanasius


      But as we all know from previous experience, the bishops will not allow any time for transitions, not that there will be any. They will move with ruthless haste, after the fashion of the bishop of Dijon, France, who couldn’t even wait for the motu proprio before kicking the FSSP out of his diocese. Besides that, elsewhere Francis says that his illicit abuse of authority is effective immediately. The rabid liberals will cease on that.

      July 18, 2021 at 10:09 pm
      • Athanasius

        Sorry, “seize on that”, not “cease on that”. I really need Specsavers!

        July 18, 2021 at 10:11 pm
  • editor

    Taylor Marshall goes through the 8 articles of this terrible motu proprio – useful…

    July 19, 2021 at 8:53 am
  • Lionel

    Paris, 15th August 1982


    Since the publication in NOTITIAE n°185 of December 1981 of the “report on the investigation by Cardinal James KNOX, former Prefect of the Sacred Congregation for the Sacraments and Divine Worship, concerning the use of Latin and the Tridentine Mass”, the liturgical question rebounds. Is it not appropriate to briefly recall what Cardinals OTTAVIANI and BACCI thought in their “brief critical examination of the New Mass” presented to Paul VI on September 3, 1969?
    The two prelates deplore in particular that “the new Ordo Missae, if one considers the new elements, susceptible of very diverse appreciations, insinuated or involved, which are appearing in it, stands impressively further away, on the whole as in the details, from the Catholic theology of the Holy Mass, as it was formulated at the XXIInd session of the Council of Trent”.
    Quoting “a well-known periodical, intended for bishops and expressing their teaching”, Cardinals OTTAVIANI and BACCI believe that “one wants to make a clean sweep of all the theology of the Mass. Substantially, one is drawn nearer to the protestant theology which destroyed the sacrifice of the Mass”. Now, these criticisms perfectly determine the essential motive for our attachment to the ancient liturgy. It is therefore futile to evoke, in order to explain it, nostalgia or considerations of a political nature, if ever it would be true that they may be objectively established. In addition, we find, like our British friends, that “the old rite leaves more time than the new one to meditation during the Mass, that Latin has never been an obstacle to understanding…” and we also feel “the new rite as being less reverent, less conducive to meditation and, above all, to the respect due to the Blessed Sacrament…” (THE UNIVERSE of October 31, 1980). We therefore fully share their conclusions.
    On the other hand, the Congregation gives us the feeling that “those who celebrate the Mass of Paul VI do not believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist” (sic). This issue is extremely serious. It joins the main object of our motivation, the theology of the Holy Mass. “The ‘Last Supper’ is characterized as being that of the assembly presided over by the priest; that of the assembly gathered in order to realize “the memorial of the Lord” which recalls what He did on Holy Thursday”, write in the essential Cardinals OTTAVIANI and BACCI, continuing: “all this implicates neither the real Presence nor the reality of the Sacrifice, nor the sacramental character of the priest who consecrates, nor the intrinsic value of the Eucharistic Sacrifice independently of the presence of the assembly. In short, the new definition of the Mass (Institutio generalis, chapter 2, n°7) does not contain any of the dogmatic data which are essential to the Mass and which constitute its true definition. The omission, in such a place of this dogmatic data, can only be voluntary”. Now, our friends across the Channel consider “the English translation of the Mass ugly and inaccurate and doctrinally deficient…” Some even wish that “an English translation of the old rite be made available” (THE UNIVERSE, October 31, 1980). It is precisely the “inaccurate and doctrinally flawed translations”, the way they are felt and interpreted, the behaviours, that make us think that some “Catholics” do not or no longer believe in the real Presence in the Holy Eucharist. We are outraged that bishops, instead of observing the evidence, complain about people who only observe it. We are calling for a return to orthodoxy.
    No, we are not indeed perpetual discontented neither nostalgic nor bitter nor politicized people who, bereft of serious motives, for only showing themselves inconsiderately to the fore, would keep on the liturgical quarrel. We love the Church we have chosen to belong to. We only keep in mind that “faith procures eternal life”.

    Lionel Ducros

    July 22, 2021 at 7:24 am
  • Lionel

    Sent in French by mistake
    Apologies LD

    July 22, 2021 at 7:27 am
  • John Rayner

    There are some very disturbing things happening within the Church at this moment. It all grieves me very deeply. Thanks to all of you commentators above.

    July 27, 2021 at 4:03 am

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