New Motu Proprio on Traditional Latin Mass Worse Than Expected – A Shocker!

New Motu Proprio on Traditional Latin Mass Worse Than Expected – A Shocker!

16 July:  Feast of Our Lady of Mount Carmel.

Motu Proprio “Traditionis Custodes” abolishing Summorum Pontificum – WORSE than expected – Gloria TV has the story…  

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  • Crouchback Reply

    Look I’m not a medical person… but if I had only one functioning lung, a game leg and half my colon had just been binned… and I’m being potty trained at 83 years old… how to use and empty my new bag….!!!

    I think writing a load of half truths and out right lies on the Latin Mass would be very far from my troubles…..

    So who wrote this dreadfully document in the first place…???

    July 18, 2021 at 12:55 am
  • Athanasius Reply

    This effort is what Francis calls “the authentic rite of Mass”. You’d never see this kind of horrendous priestly behaviour in the ancient Mass of the saints and martyrs. Every Traditional Mass priest MUST disobey this horrific Pope if they value their eternal salvation.

    https://youtu.be/T95bqw0Clt8

    July 18, 2021 at 1:20 pm
    • Athanasius Reply

      WendyWalker

      Thanks for posting this link. I’m afraid, however, that the author of the piece has no clue about the liturgical changes. This was especially evident in the claim that the Latin Mass and the New vernacular Mass differed only in language and whether or not the priest faced the altar or the congregation. No one with even a modicum of liturgical understanding would have made such a statement. There are also many other parts of the article that are incorrect, or at the very least the product of a liberal viewpoint of the crisis.

      July 18, 2021 at 5:28 pm
  • heloisa Reply

    I don’t agree that this is much worse than expected, so am just repeating something I wrote in reply to someone elsewhere.

    —-“It amazes me how many people on forums are throwing up their hands in horror as if this wasn’t expected. To anyone following Catholic News for the last few years, it was simply when, not if he would do this. I’m actually somewhat surprised that he hasn’t just banned it completely, rather than going down the death by a thousand cuts route. But how can one read the mind of someone who hates God and His Church?

    Coming soon, I believe, will be the removal of the Sanctuary Light because they don’t want anyone believing in the Real Presence. People who have access to the TLM will simply be in the same position as many people were originally in the 60s and many of us are now – home alone without Mass or a Priest or the Sacraments. So I’ll just add ‘join the club’ to your ‘suck it up’! The worse things get, the closer we are to God’s intervention. A time for the making of new Saints!”—-

    I’d just add here, for good measure!, that if anyone wanted my suggestion for the so-called three days of darkness’, it would be when the Sanctuary Light is extinguished pretty well everywhere. Not even the worst cataclysmic earthly convulsions could equal the blotting out of the Light given by the Sacrifice of Calvary.

    July 18, 2021 at 4:04 pm
    • Athanasius Reply

      Heloisa

      You must be gifted with greater insight than the rest of us if you truly expected this Pope’s motu proprio to be quite as bad as it has turned out to be.

      No one, for example, could have predicted the vindictive tone of his writing or the public rebuke he offered to his living predecessor, Benedict XVI, and no one could have guessed that he would go so far as to not only reverse Summorum Pontificum, but also forbid priests permitted to continue with the TLM from celebrating in parish churches. And no one could have foreseen that any future permissions for priests to celebrate the old rite would have to be granted by the Roman authorities, or that younger priests wishing to learn the Latin Mass should be refused. Nor indeed could we have believed in our wildest imaginations that he would actually say that Novus Ordo is the authentic rite of the Church, thereby abrogating the TLM as an authentic liturgical rite.

      No, I’m afraid that even those of us who have grasped for some time the monumental scandal this man represents on the Chair of St. Peter didn’t see half of this coming. This moru proprio was an expression of the purest hatred of the Mass of the saints and martyrs, expressed hatefully. None of us thought he’d go that far.

      July 18, 2021 at 4:26 pm
      • heloisa

        Athanasius, I feel a bit like Victor(ia) Meldrew! I seriously can’t believe what you’re saying. Francis hates Catholicism because he hates God and is Satan’s tool. Whether that means he wittingly ‘sold his soul’ to the devil at some point, I’ve no idea and it’s not my call, but the man is full of hate and what he hates more than anything is anything pure and Holy.

        I remember watching a video of him visiting a Shrine of Our Lady in about 2014 or 2015 – possibly Poland. When he stood in front of Her statue for a while, he was staring at it with what I can only describe as pure malice, with a strange look on his face as if he was almost daring Her to try and stop him – or something like that. It actually gave me the creeps at the time (not for the first or last time). The video, as far as I can tell. has disappeared.

        For years people have been writing about End Times, Satan’s 100 years, modernism, liberalism, the real destructive power of VII and the real reasons etc behind its inception. What is the one goal they all have in common? The destruction of the True Faith and the Catholic Church. What is Satan’s goal? Oh, right, the same – along with the establishment of an Anti-Church.

        How then could you not see this coming? I believe Benedict’s act was willed by God – perhaps to establish an active witness to the True Church/Faith/Mass during these times. So Catholics and everyone else can make their choice, but how can Christ’s Church suffer its own Passion without suffering death like Christ? Or rather to appear to have been irrevocably destroyed?

        “Nor indeed could we have believed in our wildest imaginations……”. Athanasius, with respect, one hardly needs any imagination at all, let alone a wild one, to know that this had to happen – and I still believe that the extinguishing of the Sanctuary Lamp and a clear denial of Transubstantiation has to follow. Catholicism will then appear, to all intents and purposes, to be dead and buried.

        We know, of course, that Francis, along with the rest of those who espouse the same hatred for God are also fools, because they cannot succeed. So why all the huffing and puffing? Christ is still in the boat and not asleep. I do wonder though, whether a lot of people who are blessed (and it is a blessing) to have access to the TLM and Traditional Sacraments, aren’t really just amazed that God is actually allowing it to happen – with all the grief its likely to bring them. I suspect at least some of them were expecting God to protect their Parishes – rather like an island sanctuary.

        July 18, 2021 at 7:11 pm
      • Athanasius

        Heloisa

        Would it be safe to assume, then, that you reject Francis as an anti-Pope because of his evil actions and your feelings about his general demeanour when standing before a statue of Our Lady? If so then I’m afraid you’re on the wrong forum, we don’t stretch to sedevacantism here.

        Yes, Pope Francis is a scandal to the Church, the worst Pope in history, but he’s still the Supreme Pontiff and our criticisms must therefore always bear that in mind. Remember also that this same Pope has declared 2021 to be the year of St. Joseph – not exactly what we’d expect from a man who has sold his soul to Satan!

        July 18, 2021 at 7:20 pm
      • heloisa

        Athanasius, if you are assuming from my reply that I’m a sedevacantist, you’re on another planet, never mind the wrong forum. It would, however, perhaps explain why you didn’t see this Motu Proprio coming. Or is that the usual accusation you hurl at anyone who doesn’t agree with you? In passing, when someone looks at an image of someone with hate in their eyes, most of humanity would assume that person isn’t in love with the person the image represents.

        You also appear to be an innocent abroad with your remark about the year of St Joseph. One doesn’t need to be Einstein to understand how people trying to destroy something good behave; trying to confuse the issue and mislead people by suddenly doing something out of character, (in this case performing the action of a good Pope), is exactly how Francis continues to fool so many Catholics into believing he’s all love and mercy and is leading them all home to Heaven. Does that include you, then?

        Anyway I assume, from what you’ve written, that behaving like someone on a one-man mission (with help) to destroy Christ’s Church, is what you personally expect from someone who ISN’T serving Satan?

        July 18, 2021 at 7:57 pm
      • editor

        Listen you,

        Take a visit to our House Rules – you will find that nasty personal remarks are not allowed and nor are rather rude personal remarks.

        Talk about “One doesn’t need to be Einstein”…

        Clearly not.

        July 18, 2021 at 8:03 pm
      • heloisa

        P.S. My atheist husband has just reminded me that he himself said 4 or 5 years ago that this is what Francis would do. Why? To destroy the Church because he’s a Marxist and hates Her.

        July 18, 2021 at 7:36 pm
      • editor

        Heloisa,

        Sorry to interrupt, but I thought I’d remind you of the question I asked earlier, the answer to which I await with bated breath…

        July 18, 2021 at 7:59 pm
      • editor

        Maybe your atheist husband wasn’t thinking about the possibility that Pope Benedict would still be alive? Few of us thought Francis would be so brazen as to do what he’s done while the author of Summorum Pontificum is still alive, effectively slapping Benedict in the face, although…

        Frankly, I can understand the temptation, since Benedict promised him unconditional obedience at the outset!

        Incredible. So, in a sense, Benedict deserves that effective slap in the face.

        July 18, 2021 at 8:06 pm
  • RCAVictor Reply

    Unless I missed someone’s post, have you all noticed that there’s a letter accompanying the M.P., just like Summorum?

    https://adoremus.org/2021/07/accompanying-letter-to-traditionis-custodes/

    Seems there is somewhat of a transition period between now and the time that Francis thinks he can erase the Traditional Mass from the face of the earth…

    July 18, 2021 at 8:55 pm
    • Athanasius Reply

      RCAVictor

      But as we all know from previous experience, the bishops will not allow any time for transitions, not that there will be any. They will move with ruthless haste, after the fashion of the bishop of Dijon, France, who couldn’t even wait for the motu proprio before kicking the FSSP out of his diocese. Besides that, elsewhere Francis says that his illicit abuse of authority is effective immediately. The rabid liberals will cease on that.

      July 18, 2021 at 10:09 pm
      • Athanasius

        Sorry, “seize on that”, not “cease on that”. I really need Specsavers!

        July 18, 2021 at 10:11 pm
  • editor Reply

    Taylor Marshall goes through the 8 articles of this terrible motu proprio – useful…

    July 19, 2021 at 8:53 am
  • Lionel Reply

    Paris, 15th August 1982

    OUR CONSTANT AND LEGITIMATE CLAIM

    Since the publication in NOTITIAE n°185 of December 1981 of the “report on the investigation by Cardinal James KNOX, former Prefect of the Sacred Congregation for the Sacraments and Divine Worship, concerning the use of Latin and the Tridentine Mass”, the liturgical question rebounds. Is it not appropriate to briefly recall what Cardinals OTTAVIANI and BACCI thought in their “brief critical examination of the New Mass” presented to Paul VI on September 3, 1969?
    The two prelates deplore in particular that “the new Ordo Missae, if one considers the new elements, susceptible of very diverse appreciations, insinuated or involved, which are appearing in it, stands impressively further away, on the whole as in the details, from the Catholic theology of the Holy Mass, as it was formulated at the XXIInd session of the Council of Trent”.
    Quoting “a well-known periodical, intended for bishops and expressing their teaching”, Cardinals OTTAVIANI and BACCI believe that “one wants to make a clean sweep of all the theology of the Mass. Substantially, one is drawn nearer to the protestant theology which destroyed the sacrifice of the Mass”. Now, these criticisms perfectly determine the essential motive for our attachment to the ancient liturgy. It is therefore futile to evoke, in order to explain it, nostalgia or considerations of a political nature, if ever it would be true that they may be objectively established. In addition, we find, like our British friends, that “the old rite leaves more time than the new one to meditation during the Mass, that Latin has never been an obstacle to understanding…” and we also feel “the new rite as being less reverent, less conducive to meditation and, above all, to the respect due to the Blessed Sacrament…” (THE UNIVERSE of October 31, 1980). We therefore fully share their conclusions.
    On the other hand, the Congregation gives us the feeling that “those who celebrate the Mass of Paul VI do not believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist” (sic). This issue is extremely serious. It joins the main object of our motivation, the theology of the Holy Mass. “The ‘Last Supper’ is characterized as being that of the assembly presided over by the priest; that of the assembly gathered in order to realize “the memorial of the Lord” which recalls what He did on Holy Thursday”, write in the essential Cardinals OTTAVIANI and BACCI, continuing: “all this implicates neither the real Presence nor the reality of the Sacrifice, nor the sacramental character of the priest who consecrates, nor the intrinsic value of the Eucharistic Sacrifice independently of the presence of the assembly. In short, the new definition of the Mass (Institutio generalis, chapter 2, n°7) does not contain any of the dogmatic data which are essential to the Mass and which constitute its true definition. The omission, in such a place of this dogmatic data, can only be voluntary”. Now, our friends across the Channel consider “the English translation of the Mass ugly and inaccurate and doctrinally deficient…” Some even wish that “an English translation of the old rite be made available” (THE UNIVERSE, October 31, 1980). It is precisely the “inaccurate and doctrinally flawed translations”, the way they are felt and interpreted, the behaviours, that make us think that some “Catholics” do not or no longer believe in the real Presence in the Holy Eucharist. We are outraged that bishops, instead of observing the evidence, complain about people who only observe it. We are calling for a return to orthodoxy.
    No, we are not indeed perpetual discontented neither nostalgic nor bitter nor politicized people who, bereft of serious motives, for only showing themselves inconsiderately to the fore, would keep on the liturgical quarrel. We love the Church we have chosen to belong to. We only keep in mind that “faith procures eternal life”.

    Lionel Ducros

    July 22, 2021 at 7:24 am
  • Lionel Reply

    Sent in French by mistake
    Apologies LD

    July 22, 2021 at 7:27 am
  • John Rayner Reply

    There are some very disturbing things happening within the Church at this moment. It all grieves me very deeply. Thanks to all of you commentators above.

    July 27, 2021 at 4:03 am

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