Pope Francis: Traditionis Custodes Backfiring?

Pope Francis: Traditionis Custodes Backfiring?

Silence in Scotland, as the Bishops (presumably) reflect on whether to move forward (to build the TLM congregations) or backward (into battle again)…

Pope Francis may soon regret his attempt to finally kill off the Traditional Latin Mass – some congregations have increased dramatically already, and not all bishops are “obeying”…

Comments (40)

  • editor Reply

    A minister from a Glasgow church has just emailed me the following shocking news – it’s from Church Militant. Speaks volumes about this particular bishop (in England) and goodness knows how many others.
    https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/bishop-backs-lgbt-eucharist-bans-latin-mass?fbclid=IwAR3azAiKGr_4iD0LtwmP55zkDsIo5soByljBKxCZo2NFo3nbo6xMLa1mP7c

    July 20, 2021 at 9:04 pm
    • Margaret USA Reply

      I emailed you and Michael Matt of the Remnant re TC. Hope you got it.

      July 21, 2021 at 7:22 am
      • editor

        Margaret USA,

        Thank you, yes, I received your email – not had a chance to read the link but I will do so asap today.

        July 21, 2021 at 9:54 am
    • Josephine Reply

      Editor,

      That report about Bishop Lang in England is utterly disgraceful. Surely there is something the priests and people can do in that diocese? They can’t just shrug their shoulders and put up with such blasphemy? These things are so horrendous that I hardly know what words to use – sacrilege or blasphemy. It’s way beyond “dissent”, that’s for sure.

      For that bishop to move right away against the TLM while supporting those LGBT+ “Masses” means that he is chock full of hatred for the faith. Nothing else explains such demonic behaviour IMHO.

      July 21, 2021 at 10:34 am
  • Catherine Reply

    This article is shocking to say the least!

    July 20, 2021 at 11:18 pm
  • Josephine Reply

    Once again, Taylor Marshall comes up with the goods. That’s a great video and I was amazed to see the man standing in the middle of the aisle with all those folding chairs in an already packed church because people had flocked to the TLM after this evil document was published. I really DO think “backfired” is the word – this shocking decision to all but ban the TLM will surely backfire on this horrendous pope.

    I can’t wait to see how the Scottish bishops will handle it. They will be in a pickle, wondering what to do, with the modernists around them pushing for a ban but knowing that the laity would put up a fight.

    July 21, 2021 at 10:30 am
  • Margaret Mary Reply

    There are just no words to describe my disgust with this pope. He’s determined to destroy the TLM and anything else traditional that he can get his hands on. Just think of it, after surviving major surgery and appearing in a wheelchair and with the world on fire, he issues a decree trying to ban the TLM. It’s beyond belief, it really is. Even people who are not Catholics are amazed.

    July 21, 2021 at 10:49 am
  • editor Reply

    So far, nothing from the headquarters of the SSPX in Menzingen – when there is a response, I’ll post that as a separate thread. For now, here is a response from the USA District – with thanks to blogger Margaret USA for emailing the link…
    https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/summorum-pontificum-traditionis-custodes-or-reserve-zoo-67550

    This is just for information – if we discuss it in too much detail here, there may be nothing left to say in a dedicated thread!

    July 21, 2021 at 10:55 am
    • Athanasius Reply

      Editor

      That’s a pretty strong statement from the SSPX in the U.S. I wonder if it will be followed by an equally strong statement from Menzingen, and when that will happen? There has to be a universal unequivocal condemnation of this Pope’s hatred for the Mass of the saints and martyrs together with a declaration that the SSPX will never obey such abuse of Papal authority.

      July 21, 2021 at 10:11 pm
      • editor

        Athanasius,

        I’ve just checked and the only thing on the General House website is that article from the USA District. In the section “News…” https://fsspx.news/en

        I’d love to see a declaration such as you suggest, but I am not certain we’ll get that…

        July 21, 2021 at 10:28 pm
      • Athanasius

        Editor

        It is said that the SSPX in Menzingen is preparing a full response to Pope Francis, so we’ll have to wait and see if it materialises. It wouldn’t be the first time the SSPX has promised a response to something followed by silence. On this occasion, however, there can be no silence.

        July 22, 2021 at 1:34 am
  • Faith of Our Fathers Reply

    Am no Theoligian and I would like to ask a Question Here . If a any Human Being ( far less a Pope ) Issues a Decree to Stop Worshipping God ,is This Not a Sin Against The Holy Spirit.
    In otherwords a Sin that cries out To The Heavens For Vengeance.
    Of course the exact words of The Godfather Never said outright Not to Worship God . But any Catholic, worth their Salt. In fact any Protestant worth their Salt would know that this was The Real Subliminal Message.

    July 21, 2021 at 1:48 pm
  • RCAVictor Reply

    I think the reverse psychology of this situation, which Communists like Francis never seem to grasp, is that when you try to suppress something, it sparks even more interest among people. Taylor Marshall mentions this a little after 9 minutes through, referring to packed Latin Masses on Sunday, including newcomers.

    Look what’s happening in the secular political realm: social media websites that censor the truth about the scam-demic, the vaccines, the fraudulent election, Islamic terrorism, etc. are losing people in droves as they flock to newly built websites where freedom of speech rules.

    But no, Communists never learn. Drunk with pride, they think they have enough power to enforce their will.

    Meanwhile, I liked how T.M. opened his video: maintain your piety, don’t lash out. To which I would add one thing: pray to Our Lord to withdraw permission from Satan to attack the Church, and pray that this heinous document is not implemented in your diocese.

    July 21, 2021 at 3:12 pm
    • editor Reply

      RCA Victor,

      Great post – but I think I missed Taylor Marshall’s “Don’t lash out” – oops!

      July 21, 2021 at 7:25 pm
  • Oliver G. Stoops Reply

    I have written a polite letter to the bishop of Clifton diocese, remonstrating against this unutterably foolish and cruel document from the Vatican and warning him of the dangers of its application in his locality.
    As many have already commented ‘it’s far worse than expected.’

    July 21, 2021 at 3:31 pm
    • editor Reply

      Oliver G Stoops,

      Well done, for writing to the Bishop of Clifton – I hope you will let us know if (highly unlikely) you receive any kind of meaningful reply.

      Not to be disappointed, prepare for “Thank you for your letter. Its contents have been noted.”

      July 21, 2021 at 7:23 pm
  • crofterlady Reply

    Initially I was dismayed at the Pope’s action but gradually I’ve come around to thinking that it might in fact have the opposite effect. I’ve heard several persons , including Michael Matt, say that their numbers attending Masses during the “lockdowns” increased greatly. Their chapels were never closed (or they retreated to the carparks) and good Catholics flocked to their Masses. I’ve heard that the SSPX in Scotland didn’t stop offering the Mass; I don’t know about England.

    One big thing that uterly shocked me was the cave-in of the entire hierarchy in the UK and Ireland-the Land -of saints-and-scholars! Thre were a few, very few, brave Novus Ordo priests who kept ministering to their flocks, may God bless them for their diligence and courage!

    July 21, 2021 at 3:32 pm
    • editor Reply

      Crofterlady,

      I share your dismay. I have been astounded at the wholesale acceptance of Government Covid propaganda by Irish priests and people alike. It’s incredible.

      July 21, 2021 at 7:21 pm
  • Theresa Rose Reply

    “To stand at the foot of the Cross, as we witness the Passion of the Church” – The Duty of Catholics today. So said Archbishop Vigano in this short artlicle.

    https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/5481-carlo-maria-vigano-to-stand-at-the-foot-of-the-cross-as-we-witness-the-passion-of-the-church-the-duty-of-catholics-today

    And it is a Passion of the Church, set in motion by Pope Francis. This will ultimately fail. It is a call to battle for all Catholics to defend the Mass and Catholic Faith. But in the meantime Pope Francis and the hierarchy need our prayers so much.

    Maybe as with the Christeros when defending the Catholic Church in Mexico and the Mass in the early 20th Century we need to remember the saying – “Viva Christo Rey”.

    July 21, 2021 at 3:58 pm
  • Theresa Rose Reply

    Cardinal Zen on ‘Traditionis Cultores’ says ‘Why couldn’t they wait for Benedict’s death’? That, and a little bit more.

    https://gloria.tv/post/pJKimyLBounM4B1SUv2kCD7sT

    July 21, 2021 at 4:35 pm
  • littlecharie Reply

    A friend in Edinburgh told me that the Archbishop there has said that the Traditional Mass in his diocese will continue as normal.

    July 21, 2021 at 6:21 pm
    • editor Reply

      littlecharie,

      Thank you so much for letting us know that. Deo gratias!

      I suspect the rest of the Scottish hierarchy will do the same.

      July 21, 2021 at 7:13 pm
  • Faith of Our Fathers Reply

    I received an Email on another Device and this Guy ( av never heard of Him The Ed probably certainly will know Him ) By Msgr Eric Barr and it’s Titled 4 Reasons Francis had To Restrict The TLMASS. The 4 reasons are . 1–Little Growth and Glory not Found–Lie One –2 Clericalism and False Hopes –Lie 2 in this He more or less States that We Believe we’re Better than Our Neighbor. 3 Pope Francis Response . More Garbage of ” We don’t know anything about the Latin Mass while it’s being said and we either just stand like Dummies or we Pray the Rosary” .I actually cannot find his 4th Reason maybe he ran out of Ink or His Fingers got sore . Or God Forbid Eric Barr is the Dummy .
    Of course maybe am just being Obtuse.

    July 21, 2021 at 6:22 pm
    • editor Reply

      FOOF

      I think this is he article to which you refer
      https://catholicherald.co.uk/four-reasons-francis-had-to-restrict-the-traditional-latin-mass/

      Notice in his bio at the end of the piece, he is a priest with time to write novels. We have, truly, nothing to learn from him – about the Latin Mass or anything else. I’ve been trying to find time to write a novel since I was 19 and even in the 10 years since then, can’t find a minute… ūüėÄ

      July 21, 2021 at 7:20 pm
      • Faith of Our Fathers

        Yes that’s the Article Ed. To tell you the Truth I never read His Bio. My God and People go to these Priests for Confession. Of course that’s if He believes in Confession as His Boss makes it plain, well of course He could be a bit more Rigid when He refers to Jimmy Martin and the LGBTQ2WXYZ mob. That He doesn’t.

        July 21, 2021 at 7:30 pm
      • Athanasius

        Editor

        Mgr. Eric Barr’s linked piece is instantly recognisable as a hit piece on the Traditional Catholic faith and faithful by yet another bitter Modernist who clearly does not have the faith. Take a look at his photo (assuming this link works) and it’s clear that Mgr. Barr is a worldling. No wonder he hates the holiness of the old Mass and religion!

        https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81Q-rcY1eeL._SY600_.jpg

        July 21, 2021 at 10:26 pm
      • editor

        Athanasius,

        He looks like he’s on the way to the charity shop to buy a (long overdue) change of outfit.

        Actually, he reminds me of the answer to the question Why do so few men end up in Heaven?

        Answer: They never stop to ask directions… Whatever he’s saying in that photo, I doubt if it’s anything to do with Heaven…

        July 21, 2021 at 11:03 pm
  • Faith of Our Fathers Reply

    Just another little note on what now Really is The Enemy Within. A Tablet Email. Articles about Pope Francis Banning the Latin Mass . –Quote– Always said by The Priest with His back to the people saying Latin Prayers which are mostly inaudible and not understood–.
    Nothing of The Priest offering up the Mass with the Congregation to Almighty God .
    My God where do these people come from. BTW The Stand in Editor says that He’s Church of England. But their are no Problems with that . Of course their not ,as I understand it most of their very few Readers are C.O.England anyhow. Of course they certainly believe in the Real Presence, of Money that is . The Begging Bowl is out straight off . A bit like The Guardian Newspaper.

    July 21, 2021 at 7:22 pm
    • editor Reply

      FOOF,

      Yes, for some years now, The Tablet is mostly read by Anglicans.

      One of the best letters I ever read in one of the “Catholic” newspapers, answered the criticism that the priest has his back to the congregation during the traditional Mass, was from a reader who pointed out that if he ever found himself travelling in a bus where the driver was facing the passengers, he’d jump off immediately! Exactly right. We want the driver to take us to our destination, all in the same direction of travel. Same at Holy Mass.

      July 21, 2021 at 7:28 pm
  • Lily Reply

    The Us bishops are not all toeing the Francis line. This report from EWTN interviews a very good archbishop who is not going to restrict the TLM. All we’re hearing about these days are restrictions to this and that, if it’s not due to Covid it’s due to trying to prevent attendance at the old rite Mass.

    July 21, 2021 at 10:37 pm
    • editor Reply

      Lily,

      Many thanks for that clip – I’ve seen that archbishop before, speaking out about pro-life, and I believe he is one of those calling for Biden to be denied Communion (although I’d need to double check that, but almost certain).

      I am especially struck by his comments about his experience of “divisiveness” in his seminary days when he heard a lot of mocking of the “pre-conciliar Church” as they call it – as if the Church before Vatican II was just waiting for Vatican II to put it all right. So, I liked his honesty. That is precisely what happened right after the Council, the only divisiveness was coming from those priests and lecturers in seminaries and teacher training colleges who ridiculed the 2,000 years of Christianity which had preceded the Second Vatican Council.

      And the rest, as they say, is history…

      July 22, 2021 at 11:05 am
  • editor Reply

    This is interesting – I’ve often wondered if the outspoken Hong Kong Cardinal Zen is in favour of the TLM – seems so…
    https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2021/07/21/traditionis-custodes-cardinal-zen-reacts-to-restrictions-on-traditional-latin-masses/

    July 22, 2021 at 11:13 am
    • Athanasius Reply

      Editor

      I am pleased to see that Cardinal Zen defends the Traditional Mass in the way he does. It’s just a pity that this venerable Cardinal, with the experience he has of the Vatican II Reformation, still defends the Council as essentially good and not remotely to blame for the present apostasy from God. Of all people, a Cardinal of his years and devotion, especially given the persecutions he has witnessed under Communist China, should be wise enough and brave enough by now to see and declare that a good tree cannot bring forth bitter fruit. Hence, Vatican II is by default the bad tree that has brought forth bitter fruit. Unless and until the prelates see and declare this obvious truth then things are set to get worse and worse in the Church. Archbishop Vigano is already speaking the truth in this regard and others need to follow his holy example. Call Vatican II out for what it is – a vehicle for Modernist destruction of the Catholic religion of the saints and martyrs!

      July 23, 2021 at 4:14 pm
  • RCAVictor Reply

    This analysis of the hatred of God – that is behind the entire “reform” that has possessed the human element of the Church since Vatican II – is being promoted by Abp. Vigano, and for good reason:

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/hatred-for-the-mass-of-all-time-and-the-question-of-obedience

    Here’s an excerpt:

    “All this will be confirmed above all by an aspect that up until now no one has highlighted: the true goal of this multi-decade war against the Sacred Catholic Liturgy, which then is the true goal of the creation of the New Rite ex nihilo (better to say improvisedly [a tavolino], in some cave), is the dissolution of the Catholic Liturgy in itself, of every form of the Holy Sacrifice, of doctrine itself, of the Church herself in the great globalist current of the universal religion of the New World Order. Concepts like the Most Holy Trinity, the Cross, original sin, Good and Evil understood in the Christian and traditional sense, the Incarnation, the Resurrection and thus the Redemption, the Marian privileges and the very figure of the Mother of God who is the Immaculate Conception, the Eucharist and the Sacraments, Christian morality with its Ten Commandments and the Doctrine of the Universal Magisterium (defense of life, of the family, of rightly ordered sexuality in all its forms, with all the consequent condemnations of today‚Äôs follies) ‚Äď all of this must disappear into the universal and monist cult of the future.”

    July 22, 2021 at 3:06 pm
  • WurdeSmythe Reply

    Letter from Fr. Pagliarani, SSPX Superior General, about the motu proprio ‚ÄúTraditionis custodes‚ÄĚ

    https://fsspx.news/en/news-events/news/letter-father-pagliarani-about-motu-proprio-‚Äútraditionis-custodes‚ÄĚ-67623

    From the letter:

    “This Mass, our Mass, must really be for us like the pearl of great price in the Gospel, for which we are ready to renounce everything, for which we are ready to see everything.”

    “The era of the hermeneutics of continuity, with its equivocations, illusions and impossible efforts, is radically over…”

    “He who is not prepared to shed his blood for this Mass is not worthy to celebrate it! He who is not prepared to give up everything to protect it is not worthy to attend it!”

    July 23, 2021 at 3:07 pm
    • RCAVictor Reply

      WurdeSmythe,

      That is a magnificent letter, thanks you for posting it, and I’d have to say that I didn’t know Fr. Pagliarani was so eloquent. It seems that persecution brings out the best,,,,

      July 23, 2021 at 3:41 pm
    • Athanasius Reply

      Wurdesmythe

      Many thanks for posting this letter of Fr. Pagliarani. I am absolutely delighted with this response of the SSPX – so true and so well expressed. It was like reading the words of Archbishop Lefebvre himself, such was the clarity of the position all Tradtional Catholics, priests and faithful, must now take. We are back on a war footing with the enemies of Our Lord within the Church, the illusion of a “hermeneutic of continuity” having been dispelled forever.

      As Fr. Pagliarani rightly points out, this is about two cities, the city of God which is supernatural, militant and full of divine hope, and the city of conciliar humanism, which is naturalistic, compromising and doomed to disaster. Any priest or lay Catholic who compromises the Traditional Mass under this hateful motu proprio and letter of Pope Francis is unworthy to celebrate or attend it. Now is the time when we must decide if we are for Christ the King or for this world whose prince is Lucifer. We must be prepared to sacrifice everything, including our own blood if necessary in this supernatural battle or we will lose our immortal souls in eternity.

      Well said, Fr. Pagliarani!

      July 23, 2021 at 4:01 pm
  • gabriel syme Reply

    I think it is indeed the case that this will backfire for Francis. Other than that ageing fool, Thomas Reese SJ, I have not seen any articles defending Francis’ action.

    On the contrary, I have seen very many condemnations of Francis and with their number they seem to become more brutal and explicit.

    This, from a serving Dutch auxiliary Bishop, is my favourite so far – see link.

    He is very bold in condemning Francis’ actions as “ideology” and “evil”.

    He says “While Amoris Laetitia excelled in vagueness, Traditionis Custodes is a perfectly clear declaration of war.”

    https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2021/07/liturgy-is-not-toy-of-popes-it-is.html

    I think the Dutch Bishops text could well merit a thread in its own right!

    And this, only today, from a traditional French priest (Institute of the Good Shepherd) who condemns Francis as “destroying communion”:

    https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2021/07/father-de-tanouarn-ibp-it-is-francis.html

    July 27, 2021 at 3:21 pm
  • Michaela Reply

    I’ve just said on the SSPX thread that this motu proprio has backfired, there has been such a backlash and now a very strong statement from the SSPX – I’m sure Francis is regretting ever writing it!

    July 29, 2021 at 11:28 pm

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