Health Vs Freedom – Which Do You Value Most?

Health Vs Freedom – Which Do You Value Most?

“The idea [that] we become like Alcatraz Island having to show our papers everywhere is utterly outrageous. Our health choices should be private.” Listen to the short discussion on talkRadio – but note:  we’ve written to MPs; we’ve protested publicly on blogs and some of us have participated in marches. Can anything be done to win back our freedom, which comes from God but which has been stolen from us by our various Governments?

Breaking News:  some of us took back our freedom some time ago – will you follow suit?

Comments (31)

  • Faith of Our Fathers Reply

    ED we know this Chinese Disease is real but we also know that the Peasants I.E. us have never nor will never learn any truth by Listening and Watching M.S.M. News . I was At TLMASS yesterday and very few were wearing Masks. Whether they do any good or not is Doubtful ,but I must wear one on the Buses and Trains .
    One thing I do know and have said several times is we wouldn’t have put up with this B.S. in the 60s and 70s . One other thing is the young that are wearing these Masks . Kids probably not even 5 yet .
    I eventually have an appointment with a Dentist Tomorrow. Whether they will ask if I have had Gates Mengele Poison I know not . One thing I do know is I will not be surprised if they refuse Me treatment.

    August 2, 2021 at 9:27 pm
    • editor Reply

      FOOF,

      It is incredible to me that anyone attending a TLM would be wearing a mask.

      “Faith of our Fathers”? I don’t think so…

      August 2, 2021 at 11:12 pm
    • editor Reply

      FOOF,

      Here’s an American senator, Dr Rand Paul, on YouTube censorship, masks etc

      August 3, 2021 at 10:03 pm
  • Athanasius Reply

    Editor

    Not everyone who attends the TLM has the wisdom of God, it really depends on their prayer life. I know of a tiny few who attend the TLM yet have fallen for the evil COVID ruse hook, line and sinker. Either that or they’re just a bit on the cowardly side. I also know of two who have never returned to Mass in 16 months, although that’s probably because they really can’t be bothered and “pandemic” provides them with a good excuse. That particular laziness is certainly not helped by priests who keep livestreaming Masses online. These are practically useless when churches are open but they salve the consciences of the layabouts.

    August 3, 2021 at 12:09 pm
    • editor Reply

      Athanasius,

      I agree – it’s shocking that so called traditional Catholics are as faithless as any others during this medical tyranny. I actually emailed one of the people to whom (I believe) you are referring who has stopped attending Mass altogether, and, needless to say, I received no reply.

      Online Masses – live-streamed or not – do NOT fulfil our Sunday obligation. That’s a fact and, as you intimate, those priests who continue to provide them are doing a huge wrong. I’ve heard the argument that some priests provide them for the sake of the sick and housebound, in which case they should say that before the Mass begins, emphasising that for the rest of us, this does not fulfil the obligation.

      August 3, 2021 at 1:35 pm
      • Athanasius

        Editor

        As regards the person you emailed, a no reply tends to suggest bad conscience.

        Concerning the live-streamed Masses for housebound and elderly, I don’t even think they’re useful for this category of faithful. Many such people are old and unfamiliar with the internet anyway, but who would want to watch 2 hours of virtual liturgy when they can unite more profoundly with the Holy Sacrifice and get more from it supernaturally by reciting the 5 Sorrowful mysteries of the rosary?

        As you rightly say, however, if such Masses are largely streamed for the perceived benefit of the housebound and elderly then that should be stated clearly every time with a stern reminder to all others that they do not fulfil the Sunday obligation. There is now no reason for able bodied Catholics to be staying away from churches – not that there ever was a reason in God’s sight to begin with!

        August 3, 2021 at 3:30 pm
  • editor Reply

    Well, here’s the latest – which if there were more comments here, I’d have posted as a separate thread but no point in having dozens of threads open, each with very few comments.

    I read somewhere that Pope Francis is insisting on vaccine passports to get into his Masses – or one of them, can’t recall the details – so now it’s being taken as a sign of disloyalty for priests not to follow his (atrocious) example.
    https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2021/08/02/ny-archdiocese-warns-priests-not-to-grant-religious-vaccine-exemptions/

    August 3, 2021 at 1:31 pm
    • Athanasius Reply

      Editor

      This is just another reminder that the Church is heavily infiltrated at the highest ecclesiastical levels with 5th columnists – Communists and Freemasons working for the New World Order.

      I read about this open air Mass of Francis in some country he’s due to visit soon. It seems that only vaccinated people will be allowed to attend and our anything-but-Catholic Pope is in on it. The New York hierarchy doesn’t surprise me either, it’s been in apostasy for a long time. Simple truth is they’re more concerned with bodily health than spiritual health – the classic sign of men who no longer believe in the supernatural. I fear for these clerical apostates’ immortal souls, I really do.

      August 3, 2021 at 3:37 pm
      • editor

        Athanasius,

        I could not believe my eyes when I saw (elsewhere, some days ago) that Francis was insisting on vaccine passes for his Mass – utterly beyond belief.

        You say you fear for the immortal souls of these members of the hierarchy – I wonder if they even have a soul, or if they were put up for sale a long time ago…

        August 3, 2021 at 7:37 pm
      • Athanasius

        Editor

        Well if they did sell their souls they need to start buying them back. Shouldn’t be too expensive given their faithlessness – 10 bob and a pickled egg, I should think!

        August 3, 2021 at 8:31 pm
      • editor

        Athanasius,

        Buying back their souls on the cheap reminds me of an advertisement I saw years ago which puzzled me at first. It was placed by the mother of a former pupil of mine – she worked in some kind of museum, scientific gallery, something like that,. Anyway, she placed an advert which read:

        Brain belonging to Albert Einstein, £1,000.

        Brain belonging to Rob Banks (her son) £35,000

        When I spoke with her, I asked how it could possibly be that her son’s brain was so much more expensive than Albert Einstein’s. She then pointed me to the small print underneath her son’s name… That small print read never been used

        Laugh? I thought I’d never start 😀

        August 3, 2021 at 9:53 pm
      • Athanasius

        Editor

        I like that one – very good. That pupil’s mother obviously used her brain.

        I remember the scene from Mel Brookes’ “Young Frankenstein” where Igor, played by Marty Feldman, was sent to collect the brain of a recently-deceased genius for transplant into the monster. The way it works out, Igor drops the jar with the brain in it and has to search the brain bank shelves for a replacement. He picks one labelled “Abnormal”. Of course when the monster comes to life and starts running amok, Dr. Frankenstein, played by Gene Wilder, sits Igor down and very calmly asks him what brain he gave him. “Ah”, says Igor, “I had a little accident with the brain you asked me to collect”. “Ah!”, says Frankenstein in a Eureka moment. “So tell me Igor, whose name was on the brain you collected instead?” “Hmmm”, says Igor, “Abbey someone. Yes, I’m sure that was the name, Abbey…err. normal. Yes, Abbey Normal”. At this point Frankenstein turns calmly towards Igor then throws his hands around his throat and starts to throttle him. Hilarious!

        August 3, 2021 at 10:14 pm
  • Faith of Our Fathers Reply

    Athanasius the most attended Masses now in my Parish are the TLMASS ones . Yes there are a few who wear Masks ,as far as am concerned now Masks are out ,but I do know that at our Novus Ordo Masses Masks are worn by everyone as it’s unfortunately Mandatory.
    Going back though to the Money Aspect. At least we can be thankful that The Godfather will not be Bankrolling — Rocket Man 2 — from Peters Pence . Of course the Godfather may Bankroll it off of the $2Billion it was reported He received Personally from the Chinese for selling out the Good Catholic Church and turning it into a Communist Church. What was it that Christ said.
    ” It would Be Better That A Millstone Be Cast Around His Neck And That He Be Thrown Into The Depths Of The Ocean ” . Av just read Archbishop Viganos Testimony to Bergoglios Banning of The Latin Mass . BTW ED I know that you will read it and post an article on it . But as you read Archbishop Vigano called Him Bergoglio because at last a Catholic Clergyman has Publicly come out and said that Bergoglio is NOT a Catholic.

    August 3, 2021 at 5:07 pm
    • editor Reply

      FOOF,

      To be honest, calling Francis “Bergoglio” is now the least of my worries. I find myself calling him much worse, twixt thee and me (only not on the blog!)

      August 3, 2021 at 7:39 pm
  • Athanasius Reply

    Here is yet another reason why the enemies of Western Christian culture may be applauding the damage cause to the West by the fake pandemic.

    Editor: wrong link – now removed.

    August 3, 2021 at 5:35 pm
  • Athanasius Reply

    Ignore the link above. Try this instead:

    https://youtu.be/PRDnQ1OBrIs

    August 3, 2021 at 5:36 pm
  • Therese Reply

    https://summit.news/2021/08/02/un-special-rapporteur-on-torture-requests-info-on-german-police-brutalizing-anti-lockdown-protesters/

    Editor: your avatar is missing because you have logged in with a different email address. Avatars are attached to the email you used when setting up.

    August 3, 2021 at 6:49 pm
    • Therese Reply

      Yes I know, but I can’t log in using that – haven’t been able to for ages. I get the message that I’m not recognised.

      August 3, 2021 at 7:19 pm
      • editor

        Therese,

        As you can see, I dug out your email address from a previous comment and copied it into your two most recent posts.

        I don’t know how to help with the log in problem – I don’t think you’re signed up to “follow” the blog which means you’d receive the latest posts from WordPress as soon as I publish them. Perhaps if you use the form on the blog to sign up to follow, using the original email, that will make it easier to log in again. Not sure, worth a try, though.

        August 3, 2021 at 7:30 pm
    • editor Reply

      Therese,

      That report and video is utterly shocking. That officer should be dismissed immediately.

      August 3, 2021 at 7:34 pm
  • editor Reply

    I’ve just received the following email from Dr William Philip – the Minister who led the successful court case to oppose the Scottish Government’s closure of churches, if you remember. He writes…

    We are re- sending our letter to the PM and all MPs about the disgraceful vaccine passports plan. Perhaps you could circulate and encourage clergy and lay leaders to sign? It would be great if we could boost numbers and especially add many Catholic leaders.

    https://vaccinepassportletter.wordpress.com/

    Things are getting very bleak indeed. Much prayer needed. Ends.

    I’d encourage everyone who can, to sign the above letter. As Dr Philip says, “bleak” is how things are getting. Very.

    August 3, 2021 at 11:24 pm
  • Athanasius Reply

    Editor

    I have duly signed.

    August 3, 2021 at 11:34 pm
    • editor Reply

      Brilliant – thanks Athanasius.

      Me, too.

      August 3, 2021 at 11:38 pm
  • Theresa Rose Reply

    https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2021/05/09/opinion-why-catholics-should-oppose-vaccine-mandates-both-private-and-public/

    A vaccine for an disease that has a 99% survival rate for those under 70 years and 94.6% over 70 years. The article does mention eugenics whether or not it is intentional.

    As for vaccine passports – I think one consequence such a thing is that those unvaccinated would not be allowed to buy food.

    I will be signing the vaccine passport letter.

    August 3, 2021 at 11:41 pm
    • editor Reply

      Thank you, Theresa Rose – interesting link. This, too, is interesting – a discussion on the issue of vaccine passports… and coercive efforts to force us to be vaccinated. Unfortunately, as seems to be the norm, both commentators are of the opinion that vaccination is the “way out” of this [fabricated/exaggerated] pandemic. That apart, they are agreed that vaccine passports is the “slippery slope” – if the Government get away with this, what next?

      August 4, 2021 at 8:55 am
    • editor Reply

      Theresa Rose,

      I’ve selected the following extract from that CWR article because I think it is at the core of this issue:

      The Church, too, is not unaffected by the present trend. Catholics, and Catholic institutions in particular, are also exerting pressure for universal vaccination. But not only does this program of complete vaccination lack a clear scientific basis, as just noted, exerting pressure in the way it requires arguably looks very much like what is at its core an anti-Christian attempt to control.

      Absolutely correct – thanks for posting that very useful article.

      August 4, 2021 at 4:22 pm
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  • RCAVictor Reply

    The Amazing Polly has put out a video on the Nazi roots of the German Quandt family, who owns the vaccine passport company that now has a contract with the UK:

    https://rumble.com/vkty9y-quite-frankly-this-is-like-brave-new-world.html

    (I’ve only seen short slips from this, not the full video)

    August 7, 2021 at 4:11 pm

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