There are Catholics who reject the Church’s teaching on Just War. Only a few days ago, I met one who insisted that neither capital punishment nor war can ever be justified. In the above video clip Boris Johnson is clearly ready to co-operate with the Taliban takeover in Afghanistan. According to my friend, that is the Christian thing to do. Really? Does the Church have any role to play in the aftermath of the Taliban takeover?
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Comments (32)
Pope Francis calls for prayers for peace and dialogue. I am not sure about his use of the term “martyred population”
https://cruxnow.com/church-in-asia/2021/08/pope-francis-prays-for-an-end-to-violence-in-afghanistan/
Lily,
As we discussed on a recent thread, I don’t think Francis has any authority any longer to call for anything, unless he’s calling up for a pizza delivery. He has surrendered his authority to the Satanists.
I don’t see this pope being bothered about an extreme Islamic terrorist take-over of Afghanistan (or anywhere else, really) because that requires a concern for upholding the truth – the Truth that is Christ in fact – so although the Church does have a role to play in world events like this, it means more than just playing the part of a “holy” politician encouraging round-table talks.
The Taliban takeover shows up the total waste of time, money and fighting forces that the US and UK have poured into Afghanistan for all these years. I think all concerned in this should resign.
This commentator agrees with you about the need for resignations.
This commentator shows how this is just one more piece of evidence of the failure of Biden’s terrible presidency. He’s actually begging the Taliban to spare the US embassy, and asking what their role should be in the international community. The first comment under the video is saying don’t blame Biden blame those in the cemetery who voted for him, LOL!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4xibe9U7Ck
Josephine
My personal belief is that the West, including Biden and Johnson, are actively supporting a Taliban restoration in Afghanistan, for which they then intend to blame Donald Trump.
Athanasius,
I don’t see how blaming Trump will help any of them. Trump was going to withdraw the troops also, but he had planned it properly so that this chaos wouldn’t happen. I think you give them too much credit for being organised – I think they are just totally incompetent and that’s what we are witnessing now.
Athanasius,
I didn’t think of that – but if they were actively supporting the Taliban, that would be utterly shocking, The world is in such a mess, anything is possible, I suppose.
Lily,
The government the allies set up is definitely proved to have been incompetent, but the Taliban seem to be on the ball. They’ve overtaken the whole country without any problem. I hope they don’t try it here.
Lily
I disagree. If there is one thing these people are, it’s organised. They may make things look like they’re resulting from incompetency, but that’s part of the strategy.
Athanasius,
I agree with you. There is some sinister geopolitical strategy behind this, disguised as a distraction in order to gain a leverage point. Might have something to do with Israel.
The alleged incompetency of the NWO reminds me of FDR’s first inaugural speech in 1933, in the midst of the Great Depression. He actually blamed the “money lenders” behind the scenes for the collapse of the world’s economy, but then said it was due to their incompetence and that they had abandoned their posts!
No, they didn’t abandon their posts, they planned the Great Depression and executed it in order to establish vast socialist bureaucracies in the West. It was actually the first stage of the Great Reset.
Satanists abandoning their posts? Hah – they never sleep…
Athanasius,
If you are right about Boris & others being behind this, I hope they don’t get to sleep tonight, because watching those poor people falling from the US airplane, after clinging to it in a desperate attempt to escape, would haunt anyone with a conscience.
Editor
We have a lot worse than the Taliban running our supposed “free, democratic world” right now, a sinister elite which is far more evil. The Taliban are not our problem in the West, never were. The great threat the West faces is from Communist China – that’s where all eyes should be focused. At any rate, so long as Pope Francis behaves like a Taliban leader, i.e. an extremist cleric stamping out the Traditinal Mass and teaching of the Church with brute force, then the whole world will continue to deteriorate. “The peace of Christ”, said one Traditional Pope, “can be found only in the kingdom of Christ”. So long as Pope Francis and the NWO elitists deny the truth of Our Lord’s Kingship over the world, the Taliban and other much greater threats to humanity will continue on the ascendency.
In practical terms, no invading nation has ever triumphed in Afghanistan, not even Britain in its old Empire days. The nature of the terrotiory and the method of warfare fought there makes military success almost impossible. We had no business invading that country in the first place, or Iraq, or Libya, or Syria for that matter. So many hundreds of thousands of lives lost and so much destruction – for what?
By the way, I forgot to mention that when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, way back in the late 70s or early 80s, the West armed the Taliban to the teeth to help them fight back. Now the Weaponry has been turned on the West becuase it has turned Soviet!
Boris Johnson is going to chair a Cobra meeting today about Afghanistan. I wonder if that means troops going back in there. The whole place is upside down.
Lily
I’ve noticed this Afghanistan business is on every news channel all day long at the moment and it looks to me as if someone is trying to distract us from what’s really happening in the world with the COVID scam and the loss of our rights and freedoms. I pay not the slightest attention to any of it – we’re being sidetracked!
Athanasius,
That’s a terrifying thought, that Boris Johnson and Joe Biden would be so calculating and casual about loss of life that they would use the imposition of a terrorist group to rule Afghanistan in order to side-track us from Covid. Again, though, nothing really surprises me any more, whether it’s in the world or the Church.
Josephine
We cannot, as we all know since COVID-19, believe a word we hear in the MSM, it’s all propaganda.
There are things going on at the geopolitical level that would probably shock everyone if the truth came out. There is not a single leader in the world right now who can be trusted, and the media certainly can’t be trusted. This world is presently run by very evil people – the puppet masters behind Boris Johnson and all the other apparent world leaders, who are really just obedient servants of the NWO. I trust nothing these people tell me and I keep my eyes firmly on Russia and China, the real threats to humanity. I will not permit myself to be sidetracked by media propaganda, put out by atheistic governments to keep us distracted from the main issue, which is that the West is losing its freedom under the pretext of COVID and Climate Change.
Athanasius,
That’s a very good point from you, about not allowing ourselves to be side-tracked. On the other hand, I find it hard to believe that absolutely nothing is happening in geo-politics that’s not real because of the Covid scam. I take your point, very well made, but I am inclined to think that the idiots who got us into the Afghan crisis and did so well before the Covid scam, are now panicking because of their stupid decisions at the start and end of the Afghan war.
Here’s someone calling out Obama for his part in this debacle
I’ve just popped in for a quick visit and am finding this all very interesting.
I’m wondering if Athanasius is onto something – maybe this is a way of getting rid of Joe Biden without admitting that he’s a dementia patient “voted” into office in the only way possible to get rid of Trump.
He (Joe Biden) is to address the nation at 8.45pm UK time so maybe he’ll announce his departure – “feeling force to resign – it’s the honourable thing to do…” – if we pray hard enough!
Editor,
At this point I’d rather tune in to a resignation from Francis…or perhaps both at once would be even better. Joke Biden is the Pope Francis of America – bent on destroying that which he is supposed to be preserving and defending.
RCA Victor,
I’ll never understand why you’re not the President of the USA / (once) Free World. The mysteries of life…
I’ll definitely be tuning in – it’s my major ambition now to witness a Joe Biden freeze live!
I watched Biden’s address on TV, and it was obvious he was ducking the question. The problem wasn’t about the decision to withdraw troops, it was the way he did that that was the problem. Now there are thousands of poor people left at the mercy of the evil Taliban who are already assaulting women and girls.
The Biden administration couldn’t organise a party in a brewery (that’s the polite version of something I often hear, LOL!)
Here’s an article that follows the Afghan crisis trail to Red China:
https://pjmedia.com/columns/kevindowneyjr/2021/08/16/who-benefits-from-the-taliban-takeover-the-same-country-that-has-paid-millions-to-the-bidens-n1469813
RCAVictor
If I remember correctly, the original invasion of Afghanistan by the US and the UK had something to do with an oil pipeline the Chinese had in that country. I can’t remember the details but it was significant.
Here’s the cultural problem: “savages in sandals”, monsters – in warfare you demonize your enemy, yes – but he is only a man, like you, and anyone can point and pull a trigger, much less intimately than using a sword, but what goes around comes around. I’ve only seen film but if I had been there to witness a thermobaric weapon that would have impressed me even more. He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword…
About 300 years Before Christ, Alexander the so-called Great, because only God is Great, conquered the whole of Asia, including Afghanistan, and he didn’t do it by coming in as a foreigner and trashing the people and their culture, whoever they were, imposing debauch Greek sexuality and customs. He offered peace, because you can’t leave an enemy behind you on the way to India and China, but the natives refused, and retreated to their mountains, forcing the invaders to win by the strength of their backs at the Sogdian Rock. Turns out the empire didn’t last, since he who lives by the sword… Whatever evil the Taliban is, they’re not lukewarm, they’re only following what Islam says to do.
Perhaps the Trilateral Commission needs the troops in the near future to round up the unvaxxed Americans for the internment camps. Or perhaps they’re trying to destabilize the Shiite Iran on its borders, not with a woke US puppet prince, but with a hard line Sunni state. Obviously it’s a news distraction from the “Infrastructure” Bill OOPS here’s the foreign policy crisis everyone saw coming, except the government intelligence supposedly running the show… Smells like a psy op, looks like Saigon.
Personally I’m glad those ads are being whitewashed. I wish I could whitewash my eyes from the internet and TV, as the pope says humility is essential! I’ve no pretension that Islam will bring peace to Afghanistan. That false religion causes more human misery than the Covidian idolatry of the west, but at least Islam is honest about what it is going to do to you…
Victor
I applaud your well-researched and stated comment, it’s very well put. I think the key point you touched on is that no matter what we think of this barbaric form of Islam in Afghanistan, we can all agree that its adherents are fully committed to the cause. The West was once like that when it was Christian, but now, as you so succinctly put it, it’s weak because its cause is ignoble and pagan, Just like that of Alexander the Greek. A strong, unified and moral Christian West, fighting justly under the banner of Our Lord against a false religion that visits suffering and humiliation wherever it becomes established in the world, would be victorious over Islam. Tragically, however, since all belong on all sides to Satan, it’s a case of which of the evils will triumph – Islamic barbarism or Communist/Masonic paganism. Just another sign of a world wholly given over to apostasy from the true God – suffering and chaos reign everywhere.
In truth, I am not surprised about the reversion of Afghanistan which was inevitable the minute the occupying forces left.
From a western point of view, the past 20 years has been a massive waste of time, money, resources and – worst of all – lives. And all for nothing.
The Taliban regime shows how debasing Islam is to humanity, in its purest form.
I am currently reading “Vietnam” by Max Hastings and it is shocking how inept the American approach to that conflict was, both militarily and politically. They were happy to tolerate any level of corruption among their Southern allies, just as long as they remained US puppets. It seems there has been a similar approach here.
I am sure we have all seen the news photographs comparing Kabul to Saigon: in both cases, American might, technology and wealth has ultimately been overcome by the force of will of a vastly inferior (in military terms) enemy.
As for the British, we are also inept and cannot seem to decide what our rag-tag, bargain-basement military – a shadow of its former self – is for, beyond joining ill-advised American adventures around the world. The British Armed Forces are a joke across the board, with misguided “inclusion” for women and LGBT figures the one thing they do well.
Personally I think the UK should, as far as possible, return to the kind of “splendid isolation” we enjoyed prior to WW1 – Brexit should help with that – to try to figure out our place in the world.
This is the second occasion in history that the British have scurried out of Afghanistan: please God, do not let there be a third.
Remember when lightning struck the Vatican shortly after Pope Benedict’s resignation? Perhaps this is an indication that things are about to get even worse for the American government (or whatever you’d like to call the collection of puppets who populate Washington DC):
https://twitter.com/tnix113/status/1426768621049716737
RCAVictor
Yes, it could well be an ominous sign. God help us all if the present world trajectory continues. I’d say that the Vatican under Francis and Washington under the current Communist election fraudsters are working together to empower Communism throughout the world. Lightening striking both the Vatican and the Lincoln Memorial could be heaven’s way of pointing the finger.
One of my daily round-robin emails is a prayer request, usually for people who are ill. This morning’s request is a bit different…
Please pray for 229 Christian Missionaries, who have been scheduled to be put to death tomorrow afternoon by Afghan Islamists.
Please pass this message on as soon as possible, so that many people will be able to pray.
This message was sent by Judith Carmona, who is a Missionary in Africa. So that the whole planet can be united in prayer.
Also, the radical Islamic has just taken Quaragosh the largest Christian city in Iraq there are hundreds of Christian men, women and children who are being beheaded.
Please pray for them. Pass this on to whoever you can.
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