Pope Francis Operates Like A Political Leader – As Agreed Pre-Conclave 2013… Surprised Anyone?

Pope Francis Operates Like A Political Leader – As Agreed Pre-Conclave 2013… Surprised Anyone?

Pope Francis has just clarified the contours of the future text that must define the place and role of the Roman Curia, one of the great reforms of the current successor of Peter, who also returns to certain circumstances surrounding the pre-conclave of 2013.

The Praedicate Evangelium Constitution

This is the first time that the Pope evokes, in such a precise way, the future apostolic constitution on the reform of the Church which should be promulgated at the end of 2021.

Three passages of the interview granted by the Roman pontiff to the Spanish radio Cope, on September 1, 2021, are devoted to the future document that will eventually replace the Pastor Bonus constitution, signed by Pope John Paul II, on June 28, 1988.

The Pope confirms the name of the future document: “With regard to the apostolic constitution Praedicate Evangelium,which is being elaborated, we are at the last stage, which for me is that of rereading; I have to read it again, word for word, before I put my signature on it,” he reveals.

During the interview, the Argentine pontiff assures that the future text “will not present anything new compared to what we have seen so far”.

“At most some details,” adds the successor of Peter, “some changes concerning the merger of dicasteries, or the creation of two or three additional dicasteries: for example, Education will join Culture; Propaganda fide will join the New Evangelization.”

The pre-conclave revealed

Even more interesting, the explicit confirmation that the current reform of the Church is part of an agenda programmed and decided before the 2013 election, by a number of cardinals: “the reform is what the cardinals wanted, from the conclave of March 2013”, insists Francis.

“I have not invented anything,” adds the Pope, “my action since the beginning of the pontificate is to realize what we cardinals had asked in the pre-conclave meetings for the future pope: ‘the next pope will have to do this, this and that.’

“And that’s what I started to implement. I think there are still various things to do, but there is no invention on my part: I obey what was decided at the time. »

The pope argues that some voters, who had sided with the reformers, would not have taken full measure of the consequences of their commitment: “perhaps some did not realize the scope of what they said, or did not imagine the consequences, as it is true that some themes are disturbing.

“But there is no originality on my side in the plan implemented,” said the pontiff, who said that the reformism that is taking shape “sums up what we cardinals said at the time.” If it were necessary to define the line that presided over his election, the Supreme Pontiff summarizes it with the exhortation Evangelii Gaudium,which “takes up what had been expressed by the cardinals”.

Thus, the fact of making the pastoral dimension prevail over the rest, and of returning the doctrine to the oblivion of the magisterium, seems to be at the heart of the program that sealed the result of the 2013 election, by the very admission of the current Roman pontiff.

A kind of capitulation

The word “capitulation” can refer to a “convention regulating certain privileges and duties, negotiated after discussion or confrontation”. He is particularly concerned about the conditions that the electors, during the vacancy of the Empire, proposed to the one who is to be elected Emperor, and that he had to sign before his election.

The term was used for the election of popes. In this sense, capitulation is an act written by the college of cardinals during a conclave. Generally, the text was prepared before the first round of voting and all cardinals had to swear to respect the text in the event of an election.

Between the fourteenth and seventeenth centuries, the history of the Church reports about fifteen capitulations that had various outcomes.

In the light of this known historical phenomenon, it is nevertheless surprising to read the Pope’s conclusion: “one thing remains clear: the reform will implement nothing other than what the cardinals had previously decided, what we asked for in the pre-conclave, and which is now being realized and seen in the open.”

It is one thing for the cardinals to discuss the future of the Church before a conclave. But for some cardinals to make a decision that will bind the future pope who will do nothing but implement the plan that his voters have decided is quite another.

In this way, we enter into the logic of the party: a man is elected on the program that gathers the most votes, a program that he must then accomplish. It is no longer a question of the Holy Church, but of a purely human organization, obtent to the divine mission that should animate it.

Let us end with a question: what was still included in this “program” decided during the pre-conclave? Click here to read Francis’ disturbing revelations about the 2013 pre-conclave at source.

Editor writes: 

This turns the Church into a political party – nothing more, nothing less.

Doesn’t seem to be  consistent with Christ’s words to Peter: “And I will give to thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven…” (Matthew 16:19)

Does it?

Comments (17)

  • Fidelis

    IMHO, this admission by Pope Francis will bring about a total condemnation of his pontificate by a future pope and maybe an ecumenical council. If Our Lord had wanted to found a political party, he would have done so.

    September 25, 2021 at 12:41 am
    • editor


      Got it in one. It is important that people do not use this information as an excuse to deny acknowledging Francis as pope because that’s not for us to decide. IF that is the case, it has to be decided by those with authority to make that judgment: we can think what we like but only those with authority can make the final determination.

      It would be interesting, nevertheless, to have the answer to the final question in the above report – the details of what was in the “program” decided before the 2013 conclave.

      September 25, 2021 at 9:24 am
    • Lily


      I believe that, too. Another pope in the future will call a Council and the subject will be Francis must be excommunicated or whatever the term is for debunking a former pope. Can you imagine the scandal if the next pope is as bad or worse and actually canonises this horror show?

      September 25, 2021 at 5:18 pm
  • Josephine

    This is a very useful commentary one the claims that Francis is the antichrist and the attacks on Archbishop Vigano (which I didn’t actually know about before this Taylor Marshall video). I think it fits on this thread.

    September 25, 2021 at 1:08 pm
    • Lily


      I always find Dr Taylor Marshall’s videos enlightening and this one is no different, glad to say. I don’t know who was calling out Archbishop Vigano for saying something he didn’t say, but they definitely owe him a big apology.

      September 25, 2021 at 5:20 pm
  • Bernie

    I’m a bit confused by this subject because I’d never heard of any new document called Praedicate Evangelium, and when I searched for something up to date about it just now, everything was dated either 2018 or 2019, one report was dated 2020, but nothing for 2021.

    So, I’m not able to form an opinion yet.

    I certainly don’t think Francis is the antichrist, and if Archbishop Vigano said that, he’s dead wrong and should apologise for scandalising people.

    September 25, 2021 at 2:53 pm
    • Faith of Our Fathers

      Bernadette I know not if you come on Here Lots ,but it’s Free Speech ( more or less ) This Horrible Man Bergoglio who calls Himself Pope, may not Be The Anti Christ but ,and it’s a Very Special But, He is certainly NOT nor probably ever has been a Catholic.
      In fact the Man is so far Communist Leaning ( I used to say He was a Marxist but He’s now gone to the Left even worse ) that He wouldn’t even make a Half Decent Protestant. I am no Theologian but I say this with No Pride, my reading and understanding of Scripture is Way above Bergoglios, in fact I wouldn’t even have a Theological Discussion with Him , He is that Bad .

      Also The Only People Jorge ( pronounced in English Horha or as I would call him Horror) Bergoglio has no time for is Catholics. Now Bergoglio would try and separate us and call us Traditional Catholics which just means of course We Believe in The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Faith handed down to us ,Personally by Our Lord Jesus Christ, O and undiluted .
      Because We Believe this, Horror has now Invented a New Sin called Rigidity ,which is Bergoglios words for Catholics ,who Believe in The One True Faith ,and in The Real Presence of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

      I was actually having a discussion with a Woman who agreed that Bergoglio is out of order ,but that She prays for His Good Intentions for The Catholic Church. I said to Her that Bergoglio has been a Thorn in Our Flesh since 2013, and to MY knowledge He has not had ONE good Intention for the Catholic Church. He has had Good Intentions For — Moslems. Hindus. Communists. Buddhists. All Protestants, most Especially Lutherans. He has some fascination for Martin Luther most probably because their Beliefs are the same. But NEVER ,not ONCE ,has this Horrible Man had a good word to say about Faithful Catholics. He also would not Even Meet with 4 Faithful Catholic Cardinals yet the same Man Had time to meet ( although briefly) with Greta Thunberg.
      As I said before Anti Christ I know not ,Anti Catholic, most certainly .

      September 25, 2021 at 4:05 pm
      • editor


        “Francis wouldn’t even make a half-decent Protestant” – that’s a FOOF-Classic (and there’s more than one in this latest entertaining piece from you) and, in fact…

        I agree 😀

        September 25, 2021 at 4:32 pm
      • Lily


        I laughed at Faith of Our Fathers’ post (I usually do – they’re hilarious) and I noticed the “half decent Protestant” as well but don’t forget “Horror” – that’s very funny, as well.

        I just wish Faith of our Fathers could get an inside job at the Vatican – he would keep us laughing our heads off all day every day, LOL!

        September 25, 2021 at 5:23 pm
      • editor


        I must check out my contacts to see if any of them could find a position inside the Vatican for FOOF – that would save me trying to remember all the corny jokes I’ve posted here over the years, like this one…

        I’m really good at sleeping. I can do it with my eyes closed 😀

        September 25, 2021 at 7:52 pm
    • editor


      Archbishop Vigano said no such thing. I think if you watch the Taylor Marshall video posted by Josephine, you’ll find out what he actually said/meant. I haven’t had time to watch the whole thing but it becomes clear within the first few minutes of Marshall’s commentary that a distinction has to be made between being “antichrist” (as someone might be anti-Catholic) and being “the” Anti-Christ. It’s an hour long video so there’ll be a lot more in there, worth watching, I’d wager.

      September 25, 2021 at 4:29 pm
      • Faith of Our Fathers

        ED there was a Quote from a Film called the Untouchables where Al Capone says something like ” We Laugh because it’s true ,but it’s touching ” I think that Quote sums up this Pope to a Tee .
        On an earlier Blog a good Priest said that Very Many of them Had lost any respect for this Pope and that to us Catholics is touching.
        In otherwords He has disgraced the Chair of St Peter and that touches us very deeply indeed. He has tried to Slander a Faithful Cardinal ,well at the very least He never gave Cardinal Pell one ounce of support . Yet He welcomes Practicing Homosexuals and Transgender ( so called Man and Wife or whatever) into the Vatican with Open Arms . One Catholic actually said to me that Francis was doing what Christ done ,and meeting with the Publicans and Prostitutes . Yes I said to Him Christ certainly did that ,but Our Lord went to Pull them away from a Sinful Lifestyle. Not to join in with them . A.K.A. The Lavender Mafia Mob .
        At Our TLMass on Thursday Our Priest was trying to give a Homily on Popes ,
        lots of us knew as far as Francis is concerned His hands are tied .
        I know not who all on Here watched The Church Militant video of the Cancelled Priests . If ever their is any doubt of the Rottenness within Our Catholic Church one only needs to watch that Video.
        For as a Layman forby holding back money which will Hurt our Good Priest and certainly not Rome ,there’s not much we can do to change the Status Quo that I can think of . Of course I maybe wrong ,and would like to hear anything else we can do . Thank God for your Website Ed .

        September 25, 2021 at 7:59 pm
      • editor


        Thank you, yet again, for your kind praise of this blog, to which YOU contribute a great deal.

        I was just thinking about past comments which you’ve made putting yourself down, saying things to the effect that you’re not “intellectual” or “educated” – that sort of thing (not true, but leave that for now – there are different kinds and levels of “intellectual” and “educated”, not all of which have an academic certificate attached.)

        It got me thinking about a story I once heard of a novice monk who died and was being interviewed by his guardian angel at his judgment (totally and completely UN-theological, not Catholic doctrine 😀 )

        The monk apologised for having been so poor at just about everything in the monastery; he said he was not scholarly, so couldn’t study and write great books; he didn’t have “green fingers” so wasn’t much help in the garden, growing crops etc. At the end of the litany of things he said he’d failed to do well, the angel told him that he had a high place waiting for him in Heaven because, of all the brothers in the monastery, he was the one who lifted the spirits of the community at recreation. When any of the brothers were downhearted and tempted to give up, he would make them laugh and that talent was not (is not) to be dismissed. He had saved many a vocation, it turned out, and would now be richly rewarded.

        Not only do you share really insightful comments here, but you have the talent of being able to do with great humour. Still, don’t forget to keep your Sunday obligation – above all, don’t rely on jokes to get you through your judgement 😀

        September 25, 2021 at 8:36 pm
  • Faith of Our Fathers

    ED thanks a lot for the compliment, seen as if you like reading my Literature al maybe consider sending you my Life Story. Actually I have 5 Chapters done already, but I think that IF you get by the First Sentence you would be lucky. Their are many swear words in it ( only for adjectives) but their is swearing and their is cursing and I know that I need not tell you the difference.

    As for the uneducated thing, one thing is for sure . Were I The Prime Minister the Country wouldn’t be in the state it’s in at the Moment. For this country so Rich in Coal . So Rich in Natural Gas that it closed probably the Largest Rigs to depend on Wind is completely off the Scale. Of course to upstage Johnson and Nippy would certainly be nothing to boast about. Am a practical Man as I worked in the Construction Industry and av said it before. This Country has and is still being held back by Men ( and Women Eastern Star ones Wifes of Masons ) who got where they are because they could do Funny Handshakes. O as for The Sunday Obligation. I know that we should take the 4th Commandment first from God . But I was surprised to hear that at least in the Motherwell Diocese that their is still actually no Church Obligation to attend Mass .
    Of course we know that being a Godless World is How the World is in the state it’s in at the Moment.

    September 26, 2021 at 1:08 pm
    • Nicky

      Faith of our Fathers,

      I’ve been wondering about when that will change and the Sunday obligation will be restored. Surely, they’re not using Covid as a way of stopping the obligation to attend Mass for good?

      September 26, 2021 at 4:25 pm
  • gabriel syme

    Of all the things I dislike about Pope Francis, his brazen double standards about being “political” are surely one of the worst.

    When it comes to immigrants and the environment, politics is fine.

    But suddenly its a big deal when it comes to abortion and Francis’ pals might be denied Holy Communion.

    September 30, 2021 at 9:46 pm
    • editor

      gabriel syme,

      I came in to post this short video of Dr Taylor Marshall rightly castigating the Pope for his incredible praise of the Irish President – what he says follows logically from your final sentence, while what he says about England and Scotland (after the prayer near the end) is sobering. We had a taste of that “underground church” during lockdown but let’s hope the Restoration comes before we need to do it longer-term…

      September 30, 2021 at 11:06 pm

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