Traditionis Custodes: Did Pope Francis LIE?
Persistent rumours say that the 2020 survey regarding the bishops’ experience with Summorum Pontificum yielded the opposite result than what Francis is claiming in Traditionis Custodes (TC).
Francis is keeping the results secret. However, Diane Montagna received access to a report on the questionnaire. At a RemnantNewspaper.com conference (Catholic Identity Conference), she stated that the results were largely POSITIVE, and that the bishops of the world asked Francis to keep Summorum Pontificum in full force. Click here to read Diana Montagna’s article.
A German acquaintance confirmed to Peter Kwasniewski that the outcome of the questionnaire was contrary to what Francis claims in TC. This person referred to Monsignore Gänswein who told him that he had seen the report, “Gänswein was profoundly worried that the pope could lie. I was less surprised,” the acquaintance wrote Kwasniewski. Source
Editor writes,
It’s puzzling that Monsignor Gänswein would seem to surprised that Francis could lie, in view of the fact that Archbishop Viganò has already – very publicly – accused him of lying over the former Cardinal McCarrick scandal. Click here to catch up with one of many reports on that subject. If, then, this is another example of Francis lying, it is yet more evidence (if more were needed) that he absolutely hates the traditional Catholic Faith and liturgy, with morals, as we know, close on their heels. Pray for him because, unrepentant, he faces an horrendous eternal future.
Comments (25)
That this Pope is an inveterate liar is a given, because he is a leftist, and the tactic of using a survey to provide collegial support for his lies is predictable. However, what is even more disturbing, to me, is that not a singe bishop has spoken up about this. Do you mean to tell me that all the bishops who submitted positive reports (and apparently they were in the vast majority) couldn’t get together and publish their answers, to refute the liar who disgraces the Throne of Peter?
If they don’t have the strength of their convictions, they should at least realize that they have strength in numbers.
RCA Victor,
That’s an excellent point. Too many episcopal diplomats following the example of their patron Pontius Pilate, methinks.
ED just a little Ditty to throw out there . This Man reminds me of an Old Story.
There was a Military Passing Out Parade of 6000 Men all Marching in front of a Crowd of their Relatives and Parents. One Soldier was George Smith. When they Marched past His Mother and Father, the Mother said to The Father.
” Would you look at that isn’t it wonderful. 6000 Soldiers all Marching and Our Son George is the only one in Step ” .
Is the Pope a liar? What a question! That’s like asking, “Is the Pope Catholic?”!
Oh, er, hang on … erm … ahh …
sarto2010,
LOL!
I think it’s self evident that there was always an agenda going on here, and that even if the world’s bishops would have thrown themselves at Pope Francis’ feet and begged him not to overturn Summorum Pontificum, it would have happened anyway. Both the Pope and a group of dissident Cardinals in the Curia realise that the traditional Latin Mass (and traditional Catholicism in general) is the last barrier to the one-world religion that they desperately seek to foster and impose. The post-conciliar novus ordo church-goers will largely accept any innovation and heresy now, because they have been conditioned to it. They are no problem for Pope Francis and his ilk, hence they don’t get persecuted (unless they lean towards traditional Catholicism, like the ‘Heralds of the Gospel’ or the ‘Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate’ for example, in which case they do get persecuted).
westminster fly,
It is disconcerting, though, that only a couple of bishops are speaking up, e.g. Archbishop Vigano and Bishop Schneider. They are the only really strong voices from the episcopate. That’s a scandal in itself.
W. Fly a good and True Post and am sorry for repeating myself, but anyhow Here goes . I and probably all on Here know Good Catholic Men and Women ( some probably within Our Own Families) who Believe Bergoglio is a Great Man Just a few weeks ago I was in a Good Friends Home. Both He and His Wife are Good Lifelong Catholics in their Late 70s . Right in the Middle of the Living Room in all His Glory. Was a Picture of Bergoglio. I said to them ” Do You not realise the Terrible Damage that Horrible Man is doing to Our Catholic Church. ” both of them said.
He’s a Great Man doing Great things under enormous circumstances.
It was their Turf, so to speak, and I know that the BBC Etc is their Main source of news .
You know were I watching the Rotten To The Core BBC News on a Probably Hourly Basis. Like George above being out of Step ,I would doubt myself. Actually my Brother and I , and He took some convincing ,before He accepted that it was all Lies from the M.S.M. are probably the only ones in our Village who Believe That Bergoglio is a Heretic and a Communist.
Rome has lost the faith and become the seat of the Anti Christ and Bergollio is the false as indicated in Sacred Sripture
Michael Brady,
On this blog, the administrator is very clear that we are not in a position as laity to make such judgments about the pope. We can only do what St Paul did when disagreeing with the first pope which is to “resist”. Cardinal Burke was asked about this question. Here’s his reply. https://wherepeteris.com/does-cardinal-burke-think-francis-is-an-antipope/
Josephine,
In that article it says “Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke just stated his love for and fidelity to Pope Francis—so how can one even suggest he thinks Francis is a false pope?”
It’s very misleading to suggest we have to “love and be faithful to” any pope. We love Christ and his teachings, his Church, but not necessarily any pope. That’s never to be a measure of our Catholic faith. I don’t love Francis and I haven’t heard him say anything I need to be “faithful” to.
Having said that, I agree, of course, that it’s not for us to question the legitimacy of his election.
The tree is known by its fruit
Michael Brady,
That’s how we know he’s a terrible pope, terrible fruits from the get-go.
Michael Brady
While I agree with one and all that Francis is the worst Pope in the history of the Church, I also agree with Josephine and many, many others who rightly say that we are not empowered by God to read souls, much less depose Popes. It is suffice for us to resist the errors of a Pope in accordance with the example of St. Paul and the teaching of St.Thomas Aquinas, St. Robert Bellarmine and other noteable saint/scholars. There is no precedent in 2000 years for subordinates to depose Popes, unless we consider the Protestant heretics as having acted validly. No, there is no need for us to put our own salvation at risk by declaring Francis an anti-pope, which would be a schismatic act in accordance with the age old adage “where Peter is, there is the Church”. Besides that, it would mean Our Lord’s promise has failed and that the Gates of Hell have, in fact, prevailed. Let’s not go there – there’s absolutely no need for it apart from our own anger and temper.
One thought just to back up what I’ve said: If Frnacis is truly an anti-pope of wicked intent, the false prophet mentioned in Sacred Scripture, then why would he declare 2021 as the year of St. Joseph? It would be a rather odd action for an antichrist, don’t you think? We have to tread very carefully with our words and judgements lest by thinking we speak and act faithfully for the Church we actually put ourselves outside the Church. The devil is extremely clever and knows well how to exploit justified anger to his own advantage and our destruction.
Sorry , but the only thing that would surprise me is if Horror Bergoglio told the TRUTH.
The only real thing related to towards Catholicism that av Ever seen Him do, was refuse to put on The Martyrs Red Shoes. Why should Bergoglio tell The TRUTH about The Mass of Ages .
Just a little bit on one good Man . I see one of The Popes Swiss Guards resigned because Bergoglio insisted He take the Injections to keep His Job .
That surprised Me , at least their was ONE Catholic in what is now fast becoming a Rotten Vatican State .
FOOF,
Your opening sentence reminds me of a Protestant friend who said to me some years ago that he would only be surprised if someone would find a statue (of Our Lady) that wasn’t weeping! I totally agreed… I suppose to his surprise 😀
Glad to know about the Swiss Guard. I met an NHS secretary today who is now unemployed because she left her job rather than take the vaccine. And that’s here in not-so-sunny Scotland.
It’s laughable, really, that the same NHS staff who were being sold to us as heroes and heroines during the past 18 months are suddenly being forced out of their jobs for such a ridiculous reason by the same Government who kept telling us they were indispensable. Crazy politicians. Idiots.
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Deaf guy,
On this blog, there is no need to post salacious details of alleged clergy behaviour which may or may not be true: I’m not (nor is anyone else here) at all naïve about the crisis in the priesthood – but precisely because there ARE genuine and horrendous scandals, we must be careful not to make things worse by repeating possibly unfounded or exaggerated claims. You are speaking of your own alleged experiences with no independent sources given, so, while – more likely than not – you may be completely accurate and truthful in what you say, we don’t need to read it here.
Thus, I would prefer if you do not post anything containing such specific material again. We have a duty to guard against sinning, whether by thought, word or deed and it is the “thoughts” which lead to the rest! I’ve never forgotten the reaction of a woman whom I met in Birmingham some years ago, and to whom I’d given an article to read in a well known orthodox publication. That article contained one explicit description which was, to put it mildly, not very nice and she handed me the magazine back later, angrily saying that she could not get the image out of her head. So, rather than be responsible for possible sins against purity in thought, let’s avoid that in future, please and thank you.
And for the record, please also note that it is unfair to write as if ALL Catholic priests are causing such scandals. There are, thank God, some very good and faithful priests, who suffer a great deal as a result of their unfaithful scandal-mongering “brothers”. We can see clearly why it is important that the seminary rectors abide by the Church’s prohibition on accepting homosexuals for ordination. Let’s pray to that end.
Falsifying the results of the survey is actually the same tactic that was used in the “Synods,” whose documents were written beforehand but kept hidden, while the dog and pony show of pretend ecclesiastical participation and input ran its course. The discussions were tightly controlled, any real input disappeared into a black hole (like the disappeared condemnation of Communism at Vatican II), and the prefabricated documents emerged at the end as the ostensible results of a collegial process.
It’s an old trick, and we should have expected the hammer to drop when the survey was first announced.
RCA Victor,
I believe I did think, at the time, that this was a means, a “trick” as you put it, to limit or abolish Summorum Pontificum altogether, on the pretext of the “survey results”. Thankfully, it seems to have backfired.
It is not a question of anger it is a matter of the actions and realities along with a profound concern for our fellow travellers neither it is a judgement of sous individual or collective that belongs to the Father alone.
We have a situation which is riddled with sodomites, pederasts, modernists financial scandals along with the promotion of a doctrinal and moral ambiguity which has capitulated to the secular elites of this world towards a uni polar atheistic and morally relativistic agenda.
Being economical with the Truth has become the normative at all levels and in all formats ie verbal or written from Rome. Ambiguity and not specific Catholic clarify is the current norm.
We live in a current world situation were man is now declared the source and summit of all things and a capitulation of many of our leaders with the exception of a number of outstanding Catholics at all levels to the current morale mores.
This is the reality we are in yes Our Lord will prevail and the faith will endure and triumph.
However in the interim Our Lord is the supreme guide all that remains is adherence to the beauty of the faith, the Mass, the Rosary etc.
We are in the Lords hands and they are good hands.
Blessings
Michael,
A beautiful comment, for which thank you.
Like the rest of us, you are naturally heartbroken (and it is natural to feel righteous anger) at the dire state of the Church due to the faithless words and scandalous behaviour of clergy, especially at the top.
We need to keep reminding ourselves that Cardinal Ciappi (who was spiritual director to several of the post-Vatican II popes) said that “In the Third Secret it is revealed that the crisis in the Church begins at the top”.
When we reflect on that, and recall that throughout the Fatima apparitions Our Lady always spoke of “the Holy Father” or “the Pope”, we can be confident that some, at least, of her warnings very likely included a warning of a bad pope: one of the – if not THE – very worst in history. No secret, then, why the Vatican won’t release the full text of theThird Secret!
How unsurprisingly that a man of such shabby character as Jorge Bergoglio has been exposed as a liar.
He has lied throughout his pontificate: from lying to the parents of one of the Fransiscan Friars of the Immaculate (that he would leave the order alone) to lying that he “doesn’t remember the footnote” in one of his controversial documents. There are many examples. He lies as naturally as breathing.
I am glad that he has been shown up in this fashion. Hopefully it will convince Bishops not to act on the wicked motu proprio. Those Bishops who already have acted to suppress masses etc, (eg +Toal of Motherwell), have been shown to be easily manipulated “useful idiots”, puppets of a liar.
I feel sorry for those curia members who have obviously been forced to go along with these defamatory lies about devout lay people. It is said that Cardinal Ladaria, in particular, was very reluctant to publish the motu proprio – although he is Bergoglio’s fellow Jesuit, he is said to be a good and fair man. He has obviously been bullied into this somehow.
One good thing which will come out of this is that it will show tradition-inclined clergy and lay people – who might not understand the SSPX – that they cannot always bank on being treated fairly and with compassion by the Church authorities. Ask Marcel Lefebvre.
It is clear why the likes of Joseph Toad ( … sorry, I mean “Toal”) acted so swiftly and harshly, what with the Archdiocese of Glasgow up for grabs. The deluded man clearly thinks he has a chance, God help us.
Mind you, there are stranger things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy … (with apologies to Hamlet!).
Sarto2010,
I agree 110% that Bishop Toal’s actions were with an eye to putting himself in the shop window for the Glasgow vacancy.
The good work of Fr Liam O’Connor at St Marys, Cleland, and the new TLM at St James, Coatbridge (I do not know the PP’s name there) were (are) the most exciting and promising things happening in the Diocese of Motherwell. And +Toal has quashed these initiatives, likely to boost his chances for personal advancement – disgraceful.
Hopefully with the lies behind Traditiones Custodes being exposed, he will reconsider.
+Toal looks stupid, attacking his TLM communities, while a Syro-Malabar Catholic community exists in his diocese. Why is one form of liturgy divisive, but not the other?
The painfully long time to find a new Archbishop for Glasgow is very discouraging, as it suggests a dearth of suitable candidates. I am almost at the point of putting myself forward! 😛
I think +Keenan of Paisley was likely a ‘runner’ prior to the rent boy scandal concerning his diocese, which recently blew up on Pat Buckley’s blog.
Probably the TLM-orientated priests in the Diocese are not in with a shout, given Francis’s great aversion to Catholicism.
I am not too knowledgeable about the Glasgow clergy as a whole, but I think Fr Gerald Sharkey would be worth a punt. He was trusted and highly thought of by the late +Tartaglia, plus he is young and carries a reputation for being solid priest (He once heard my confession and he didn’t “miss you and hit the wall” as they say).
However, he once was involved in an event at (the real) Glasgow Cathedral where traditional vespers (I think) were chanted for the first time in centuries. I attended, but It was years ago now and I forget the details, but it was a great event and very successful. It was the only time I have ever been in (the real) Glasgow Cathedral. This association with tradition may given the modernists pause, who knows?
Anyway, +Toal would be a disaster for the 4 Diocesan TLM communities, so let us pray it is not him.
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