Canada: What’s Going On At The Fatima Center?

Canada: What’s Going On At The Fatima Center?

Editor writes…

I’ve been aware for some time now that that the Fatima Center website in Canada has been missing something which I would have expected to be centre-stage – i.e. the link between the removal of our freedoms, the switch to totalitarian-type governance across the world, and the Fatima warning that Communism would spread to every nation in the world, unless Russia is consecrated to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart. 

Instead, the Fatima Center website contains lovely articles on the spiritual life, with one of the last articles on Fatima that I  can find – The Central Focus of the Fatima Message – dated 3rd October, 2019 (on homepage – the article itself is dated August, 2019),

My  emails to the Center asking about this, have remained unanswered.

I had the privilege of meeting Father Nicholas Gruner RIP (“The Fatima Priest”)  several times, including when – to our delight – he agreed to come to Scotland to address our Conference on 12 September 2009.  This was a huge success.  I am confident that he would see what is going on in the world right now in the light of the Fatima warnings about the spread of Communism.  He was keenly aware of the urgency of the Fatima prophecies.  Yet, this is not the message coming from those running the Fatima Center today. Indeed, I’ve selected one of Fr Paul McDonald’s short videos, addressing the question “Is it possible for popes who disobey Our Lady, to be saints?” Click here to listen to his – in my view – highly unsatisfactory response…

Maybe I’m missing something, of course, so I look forward to reading the thoughts of our bloggers on this important subject.  What do you think is going on at the Fatima Center?

Comments (37)

  • Andrew Q Reply

    I’ve noticed them being quite careful not to get kicked off mainstream platforms. Sometimes only half a question is answered on Ask Father on YouTube and you have to go to the Rumble platform to hear the rest. Censorship is pretty fierce and immediate on YouTube and other woke platforms at the moment. I wouldn’t have thought their own website would need to be so cautious… But perhaps not everyone there is on the same page?

    January 5, 2022 at 7:28 pm
    • Josephine Reply

      Andrew Q,

      I think you’ve got it when you say perhaps not everyone is on the same page. I had the distinct impression, after the death of Fr Gruner, that there was a division, at least one, among the staff. There is nothing like the urgency that there used to be in the emails that I used to get – and Father Gruner always led from the front, appearing with the statue in St Peter’s Square in Rome, for example, at every opportunity.

      If what you say about them only half answering questions is true, then they have betrayed the cause. Nothing is more urgent than Fatima, and I think Fr Gruner will be spinning in his grave watching them turning into just another Catholic website, not at all what we need.

      January 5, 2022 at 8:35 pm
      • editor

        Josephine,

        I’ve heard quite a number of people saying there’s been a split at the Fatima Center. How sad. I’m guessing that is why I’m not hearing from Joanna – who usually answers my emails in double quick time. She is the soul of charity and won’t want to speak ill of others. She’ll never make it onto the Catholic Truth team 😀

        January 6, 2022 at 9:52 am
    • editor Reply

      Andrew Q,

      I’m at a loss as to why every Catholic in the world doesn’t delete their Twitter posts and go over to one of the uncensored sites permanently.

      January 6, 2022 at 9:53 am
      • Margaret USA

        Christ is Baptized!

        Dear Madame Editor,

        I’ve NEVER been on Twitter and don’t intend to start now!

        I had to get on Facebook because our Ukrainian Greek Catholic cathedral in Philadelphia and other UGCC churches livestream Divine Liturgy and other Divine Services on Facebook.

        I’ve been sick for almost a month and haven’t been to church or work since mid-December. So Facebook is at least good for something.

        Prayers are MUCH needed and appreciated!

        Yours in Christ the King,

        Margaret USA 🇺🇸 ❤❤

        January 7, 2022 at 12:28 am
      • Margaret USA

        Christ is Baptized!

        Dear Madame Editor,

        If you mean Joanna Swords, I think she passed away. I don’t remember the exact date but I’ll find out for you when I call The Fatima Center.

        Yours in Christ the King,

        Margaret USA 🇺🇸

        January 7, 2022 at 12:32 am
      • editor

        Margaret USA,

        Goodness me – I haven’t heard that Joanna Swords passed away. That is even more shocking that my several emails explaining that my messages to her are bouncing back and asking for this information to be passed on to her, with my email address for her to respond. It’s disgraceful that they have failed to reply anyway, but worse if Joanna is deceased.

        Please do let us know the outcome of your telephone call. Thank you for that.

        January 7, 2022 at 8:52 am
  • Nicky Reply

    That’s very disappointing, if the Fatima Center has stopped speaking out. I certainly was none too impressed with Father McDonald’s answer to the question about disobedient popes being saints. His analogy didn’t work. It’s not about popes being mistaken in something obviously difficult to know, such as the dilemma if there is more than one claimant to the papal office, but the Fatima messages are clear and carefully documented. There was (is) no excuse for the popes to have failed to obey Our Lady. So, no, I don’t think the popes who disobeyed Our Lady’s Fatima requests can possibly be canonisable saints. The difference has been made on this blog before, that someone can be in Heaven (i.e. a saint) but not entitled to being canonised. I think nearly all the fast track canonisations have caused scandal, especially the canonisations of the recent popes.

    January 5, 2022 at 10:05 pm
    • editor Reply

      Nicky,

      I agree – Fr McDonald’s analogy didn’t work at all. Fatima is exceptional and those popes knew it. They took the cowardly road (as with everything else, it seems) to appease the modernists within the Vatican. None of the recent popes were canonisable saints – that’s for sure.

      January 6, 2022 at 9:50 am
      • Margaret USA

        Dear Madame Editor,

        I just sent you an email re The Fatima Center. I just want to make one public correction:

        Joanna Swords is still living!

        I wish to publicly apologize to you and everyone on CTS.

        Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

        Yours in Christ the King,

        Margaret 🇺🇸

        January 7, 2022 at 7:55 pm
      • editor

        Margaret USA

        I just came in to post the same (good) news! My niece, who is the Fatima Co-ordinator for Scotland, has also been emailing and she received a reply from Joanna direct today! So, thank God for that!

        No need to apologise – I’m sure our prayers for the repose of her soul have gone to another (genuine!) poor soul in Purgatory!

        Phew!

        January 7, 2022 at 8:16 pm
  • Aaron Glover Reply

    “What do you think is going on at the Fatima Center?”

    Ha! Father Gruner was an exception, dear Editor, and you know it. Everyone else is compromised.

    Or, if you prefer, let’s go with the hierarchy is in bed with the government here in Canada and much has been written about their bending over(see https://voxcantor.blogspot.com/ re: Cardinals Lacroix & Collins).

    Globally there would seem to be a reputation that Canadians have as being “nice” or “friendly”.
    This usually translates to governments(municipal, provincial, federal) having a free reign during their respective terms. Rare is it that one rises up to challenge the greatest usurper of one’s rights and freedoms, (historically-speaking), the government.

    As an example, you could ask a nice Canadian what the law is on abortion in Canada?(Coles Notes Answer: there really isn’t one…). If that isn’t a loss of rights, I don’t know what
    is.

    January 6, 2022 at 12:50 am
    • Margaret USA Reply

      Aaron, be careful about voxcantor! I had to stop reading that blog because the owner allowed sedevacantist comments.

      January 6, 2022 at 2:30 am
      • Aaron Glover

        Margaret,
        It’s called critical thinking.
        If I went out of my way to avoid a website with comments some would, at minimum, call unpalatable…why would I go online anymore? This website had a video link to a choir singing Handel’s Messiah for that supreme feast day we call Christmas. And yet, it was composed by a Lutheran and musically as well as liturgically meant for the Easter season.
        And I still read from this website…

        January 7, 2022 at 6:21 pm
      • Laura

        Aaron Glover,

        I’m sorry to have to disagree with you again, but I think there’s a difference between listening to music which is taken from Scripture and put to music by a Lutheran, and reading dangerous writings, writings which might harm the faith. Listening to Handel’s Messiah can only strengthen the faith, surely. Maybe I’m not understanding the “Easter” connection but “Unto us a child is born”, makes me think of Christmas! I think that’s the part of the Messiah which most people play at Christmas.

        January 7, 2022 at 7:54 pm
      • Aaron Glover

        Laura,
        The Messiah was originally intended for Easter. It is nonsensical to use it for Christmas despite how many people now perform it during the Christmas season and how entrenched it has become a part of the season.
        As for dangerous writings, there is not enough space in this blog to enunciate the harm that has come about from the translation and propagation of the King James version of the Bible, which Handel undoubtedly used.

        January 7, 2022 at 8:59 pm
      • editor

        Aaron,

        It is true that the King James Bible is full of errors – Protestant scholars admit as much. But there’s not a lot anyone can do with Isaiah 9: 6, which is the verse played at Christmas. Here’s the last time that we used it on this blog – point out any heresy in it, for I can’t find anything at all. It matches the verse in the Douay Rheims Bible.
        https://catholictruthscotland.com/2017/12/25/happy-christmas-bloggers-readers/

        You keep on about the Messiah being meant for Easter – well part of it will be, surely enough, but there ARE several parts to it, (I’ve selected a passage from Wikipedia in summary, as I just don’t have time for this, off topic debate)… Quoting: “The text begins in Part I with prophecies by Isaiah and others, and moves to the annunciation to the shepherds, the only “scene” taken from the Gospels. In Part II, Handel concentrates on the Passion and ends with the “Hallelujah” chorus. In Part III he covers the resurrection of the dead and Christ’s glorification in heaven.” End of extract.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah_(Handel)

        So, there is absolutely nothing wrong with using the Isaiah quote about the birth of the Messiah at Christmas. If you don’t agree, so be it, but you’ve made your point, so please let it go now – and you, too, Laura – since this is off topic and I’m not in a “let’s humour them” mood; been one of those days.

        Please and thank you.

        January 7, 2022 at 9:54 pm
    • editor Reply

      Aaron,

      The hierarchy everywhere seems to be compromised and co-operating with their national governments in the imposition of this Covid tyranny. All the more reason why the Fatima Center should be on high alert. It’s sad to see them acting like moral cowards, if that is, indeed, what is happening.

      January 6, 2022 at 9:48 am
      • Aaron Glover

        Editor,
        That high alert alarm went off once that “flatten the curve for 2 weeks” came and went.
        Anything now will be too little too late.

        January 7, 2022 at 6:23 pm
      • Laura

        Aaron Glover,

        I disagree, respectfully. It’s never too late to stop co-operating with this evil.

        January 7, 2022 at 7:50 pm
  • Margaret USA Reply

    Dear Madame Editor,

    I met +Fr. Gruner at the 1997 CFN conference in Delaware (the state just south of Pennsylvania) and two other times. He was not only a priest, but a scholar and a gentleman.

    He would be heartbroken at seeing The Fatima Center today. In fact, many of the staunchest promoters of the full Fatima message (especially promoting the Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary) went over to Fr. Kramer’s organization and iirc he is now a benevacantist, i.e. he thinks that Benedict XVI is still pope.

    I have supported The Fatima Center since 1989. If they are not promoting the Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary AND the release of the true Third Secret of Fatima (i.e. the exact words of Our Lady which follow: “In Portugal, the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved… “) and are held by “etc” in the Fourth Memoir of Sister Lucia, then I cannot support them anymore.

    Yours in Christ the King,

    Margaret 🇺🇸

    January 6, 2022 at 2:46 am
    • editor Reply

      Margaret USA,

      I’m sorry to say I am thinking the same way. I have constantly urged everyone to only trust the Fatima Center in Canada for accurate information about Fatima, but now I’m having serious doubts.

      The World Apostolate of Fatima is the leading source for misinformation/disinformation (never quite sure which) so they are to be avoided at all costs. But, if they’re not promoting the full message of Fatima (as they claim on the website) then how can we trust the Fatima Center either? It’s very sad.

      January 6, 2022 at 9:44 am
    • westminsterfly Reply

      Margaret USA
      The Fatima Centre is still saying that the Consecration of Russia hasn’t been done properly https://fatima.org/about/consecration-of-russia and that the Third Secret hasn’t been fully released https://fatima.org/about/the-third-secret I think EditorCT was just referring to their apparent lack of coverage about the covid tyranny / totalitarianism, that’s all.

      January 6, 2022 at 2:09 pm
      • Margaret USA

        Christ is Baptized!

        Westminsterfly,

        Madame Editor in her OP referred to the not-yet-done Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary by the Holy Father in union with ALL the bishops of the world.

        The only reason I can think that they wouldn’t respond to Madame Editor is because they shortened their hours. Even then, someone should respond to Madame Editor.

        I’ll try calling tomorrow. Today is Theophany/Epiphany and they always close on holidays (they were closed from Christmas Eve to New Year’s iirc).

        Yours in Christ the King,

        Margaret 🇺🇸

        January 7, 2022 at 12:17 am
      • editor

        WF,

        You are entirely correct. The Fatima Center – when it refers to Fatima – is still sound. All of the original pages are there, on the site, but it’s their lack of connecting Covid with the spread of totalitarian-type governance that is the concern.

        January 7, 2022 at 8:55 am
  • Lily Reply

    I’m disappointed at this news, and I know Fr Gruner would be sad to see his work going up in flames. If we can’t rely on the Fatima Center, where do we look for accurate Fatima updates?

    January 6, 2022 at 11:50 am
  • Theresa Rose Reply

    Lily,

    I agree that Fr Gruner would be sad to see his work going up in flames. A good question – Where do we look for accurate Fatima updates? A pity I have no answer for that.

    Another priest who had worked with the Fatima Center was Fr Relyea, he no longer does, but Fatima Center issued this statement. (Fr Relyea I think can still be heard on youtube.

    https://fatima.org/news-views/second-statement-of-the-fatima-center-regarding-father-isaac-mary-relyea/

    January 6, 2022 at 1:44 pm
    • Margaret USA Reply

      Christ is Baptized!

      Theresa Rose,

      I met Fr. Relyea at the 2018 Fatima Center Conference in Pennsylvania. He gave a POWERFUL talk. He had us crying.

      Yours in Christ the King,

      Margaret 🇺🇸

      January 7, 2022 at 12:21 am
  • editor Reply

    I’ve now received a reply to my email to Joanna Swords, published here for your information… I replied to say that I’ve not been able to find anything about Covid/Communism on the Fatima Center website…

    J.M.J.

    Hi Patricia,

    Very nice to hear from you. Regarding emails sent to my work address, the apostolate had a serious problem about a month or so ago, which in part was finally resolved. Unfortunately, my work email address is still a problem. I am still working on a part time basis for the apostolate.

    With regard to your question about the pandemic as the means to spread Communism, etc., the apostolate has, and continues to, address this issue online at fatima.org and in publications. We keep hitting more and more obstacles. The most recent issue of The Fatima Crusader was sent to the printer and was supposed to have been printed and mailed, this past October. Unfortunately, the printing company (not some little fly-by-night company, but a major Canadian printing company that we have used for years), didn’t have (and couldn’t get) the paper to print the magazine. I believe it has finally been printed and is dropping in the mail this week. In there is an excellent article written by Andrew Cesanek on the errors of Russia.

    Rest assured, Our Lady’s apostolate continues in its duty of fidelity to the spreading of the full Fatima Message.

    May you have a blessed Christmastide.

    In the Sacred and Immaculate Hearts,
    Joanna Swords

    January 7, 2022 at 9:58 pm
    • Josephine Reply

      That’s an interesting email and it would explain why nothing has been published in their magazine about the connection between Covid and the switch to totalitarian governments around the world, but it really doesn’t explain why the website has nothing on it re. Covid. I’m still not convinced.

      January 7, 2022 at 10:37 pm
      • Laura

        I agree, and I’m not bothered that there’s going to be an article about “the errors of Russia” in their magazine. There’s reams been written about that. What we want to know is, does the Fatima Center believe that the spread of Communism is happening through using the Covid 19 virus? It’s a simple “yes” or “no” question which Joanna’s email doesn’t deal with, IMHO.

        January 7, 2022 at 10:40 pm
    • Margaret USA Reply

      Dear Madame Editor,

      I tried sending you an email re The Fatima Center but for some reason it would not go through. I think you have my email. If you could kindly send me an email that way I’ll have your new email.

      Thank you!

      Yours in Christ the King,

      Margaret 🇺🇸

      January 8, 2022 at 5:09 pm
  • editor Reply

    I have just received the following update from Joanna Swords, which I promised to post here…

    J.M.J.

    Hi Patricia,

    The link below was done – sent as a mailing to supporters and posted on line within 2 months after the closing of the US Canada border and the start of government oppression.

    https://fatima.org/media/five-point-plan/

    There are a number of videos and articles on the web that address covid 19 and the need for the Consecration of Russia, praying the Rosary, etc and tying it into to spread of Communism.

    Hope this helps.

    In the Two Hearts,
    Joanna

    January 10, 2022 at 10:06 pm
  • Edgar Reply

    You would think the “Fatima Co-ordinator for Scotland” would know what is going on……unless he doesn’t do much coordinating!

    January 10, 2022 at 10:13 pm
    • editor Reply

      Edgar,

      The Fatima Co-ordinator for Scotland was one of those who expressed concerns, unable to make the usual contact(s).

      If you read Joanna’s emails carefully, you will see that there has been a communications problem, Sugar Plum, so don’t be so quick to try the Smart Alec approach – this Alec guy is seldom smart 😀 Usually wrong and makes an idiot of himself in the process 😀

      I was pleased to read Joanna’s latest email, although on quick searches I must have missed the material about which she speaks. As long as it’s there, though, that’s great news. I just can’t find it, but then I don’t have lots of time at my disposal to spend looking. I have a feeling you will, though, so send us some links, Sweetie Pie – that is more helpful than silly sarcastic Smart Alec comments.

      January 11, 2022 at 9:59 am
  • Edgar Reply

    I can’t find any mention of a “Fatima Coordinator for…….Anywhere” on Fatima.org.

    Editor – no, you won’t find any mention of a “Fatima Co-ordinator…” there. You won’t even find it on Catholic Truth, except when we are advertising something that readers can order from here in Glasgow, rather than send to Canada. Then we give the Co-ordinator’s name and phone number. It’s not a paid job, you silly sausage. It’s a voluntary thingy. Silly you. Now, you are clearly that troll again. We’ve had our fun with you – Byeee!

    January 11, 2022 at 10:30 am
  • editor Reply

    I meant to post this latest information from Joanna at the Fatima Center – it came into my inbox on 10 January, and, I’m sorry to say, I forgot about it until just now. As you will see, there IS plenty of coverage of Covid and the Fatima connection but as I’ve since pointed out to Joanna, it’s not immediately and obviously available on their site… Unfortunately, the links have not copied below, but I assume you will be able to reach everything by searching the title at http://www.fatima.org

    FROM JOANNA….

    I am concerned that you have not been able to see the multitude of articles, etc. on our website. Please check out the links below, and advise if you are unable to find them. Perhaps there is something else going on. I would appreciate hearing back from you.

    For example, from Chris Ferrara:
    • The First Political Virus in World History
    • What Is Wrong with this Picture?: No Masses in Italy or US Dioceses. But you can still buy groceries and fast food.
    • Official Virus of the New World Order
    • The “Mystical” Body of COVID-19
    • Fauci’s Fatal Slip: The Evil Truth About the Wuhan Virus Lockdown
    • The “Appeal for the Church and the World” Protests Tyranny on the Pretext of a Virus. The Pope Disagrees
    • The Mask of the Beast
    • Anatomy of a Mass Psychosis: As the Virus Wanes, the Insanity Waxes
    • Life Site News Exposes the COVID Con

    For example, from Kennedy Hall:
    • Christ the King and COVID-19
    • China Will Spread Her Errors
    • Where Do We Go From Here?
    • The Lockdown and Children
    • Religious Exemptions for Masks?
    • The Pagan Ritualism of the Coronavirus
    • Hitler’s Ritual Purity
    • Child Sacrifice
    • Catholics and Conspiracy Theories
    • It is All About Fatima
    • The Great Reset: A Primer
    • Pope Francis and the Great Reset
    • Is Our Society Communist? Part One
    • Is Our Society Communist? Part 2
    • Mass Euthanasia Campaign: True End of the Lockdown
    • Only the Corona Will Stop the Enslavement

    For example, found by doing a search of either “COVID” or “coronavirus” on fatima.org:
    • Fr. Isaac and Fr. Rodríguez Respond to COVID-19 (videos)
    • This Is a World Depopulation and Control Program – Part I (Eric Bermingham)
    • This Is a World Depopulation and Control Program – Part II
    • This Is a World Depopulation and Control Program – Part III
    • Appropriate Response to the World Depopulation and Control Program Ends

    So, it’s obviously great news that there is so much coverage of the Covid-Fatima link – just a pity that the above articles are not more easily found on the Fatima Center website – it’s not exactly the best example of “just a click away” 😀

    January 19, 2022 at 3:03 pm

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