Does The New Mass, Validly Offered, Offend God?editor
From the website of the Fatima Center Can Valid Worship Still Offend God?
Whether There Can Be Anything Pernicious in the Worship of the True God?
This question, taken directly from Question 93 of the Summa Theologica of St. Thomas Aquinas, is answered as such:
“[St.] Augustine in a letter to [St.] Jerome says that ‘after the Gospel truth had been preached the legal observances became deadly,’ and yet these observances belonged to the worship of God. Therefore, there can be something deadly in the divine worship.”
The Angelic Doctor goes on to summarize two ways in which worship directed to the True God is nevertheless evil. As to the first reason, St. Thomas Aquinas illustrates by way of example: “…in this way, at the time of the New Law, the mysteries of Christ being already accomplished, it is pernicious to make use of the ceremonies of the Old Law whereby the mysteries of Christ were foreshadowed as things to come: just as it would be pernicious for anyone to declare that Christ has yet to suffer.” Thus, observing seder meals, religious circumcision, rejecting pork based on religious principles, etc. would now offend the True God.
As to the second example, the saint continues:
“…falsehood in outward worship occurs on the part of the worshiper, and especially in common worship which is offered by ministers impersonating the whole Church. For even as he would be guilty of falsehood who would, in the name of another person, proffer things that are not committed to him, so too does a man incur the guilt of falsehood who, on the part of the Church, gives worship to God contrary to the manner established by the Church or divine authority, and according to ecclesiastical custom.”
Consequently, we can say that even valid worship offered by those who do so in a manner contrary to that established by the Church would offend God. This may be the case of a valid Catholic priest who ad libs the Missal and, while validly confecting the Holy Eucharist, mortally sins by intentionally neglecting the rubrics. This would also be the case of a valid Divine Liturgy offered by schismatic groups, such as the Eastern Orthodox who reject infallible dogmas regarding the Blessed Trinity, the Papacy, and Our Lady, amongst others. And this would certainly apply to rituals performed by heretical Protestant denominations who do not follow the Church’s prescriptions, do not offer any valid Sacraments (exceptions aside[i]), and who teach a doctrine contrary to that taught by Christ our Lord.
Can a Valid Mass Offend God?
Taken to the next logical question, we consider if it is possible for a valid Mass to offend God.
In 1969, Cardinal Ottaviani and a number of other theologians and bishops made an important critique after reading the proposed New Rite (see what is popularly known as the Ottaviani Intervention). The new missal had not yet been promulgated and the more egregious liturgical offenses hadn’t even been seen, yet these clerics understood that certain prayers of the Novus Ordo were problematic. They famously stated that the New Mass represents “both as a whole and it its details, a striking departure from the Catholic theology of the Mass” as it was infallibly expressed by the Council of Trent. Moreover, they explained that the New Mass “teems with insinuations or manifest errors against the purity of the Catholic religion and dismantles all defenses of the deposit of Faith.”
Therefore, if there are things which are erroneous or impious – even in a valid Mass – then these evils do offend God. Likewise, if blasphemies or sacrileges are committed – even in a valid Mass – then those evils do offend God. Here we are not speaking of the actual Sacrifice of Christ, which is always perfect and pleasing to God and is present in a valid Mass, but rather those things which are false or evil. This is an extremely important distinction which is rarely given sufficient attention. (Note: Anything false or evil in any Mass, be it in the New Rite, the Traditional Latin Rite, or an Eastern Rite, will offend God.)
Jean Guitton, an intimate friend of Paul VI, wrote:
“The intention of Pope Paul VI with regard to what is commonly called the [New] Mass, was to reform the Catholic liturgy in such a way that it should almost coincide with the Protestant liturgy. There was with Pope Paul VI an ecumenical intention to remove, or, at least to correct, or, at least to relax, what was too Catholic in the traditional sense in the Mass and, I repeat, to get the Catholic Mass closer to the Calvinist Mass.”
And we know that the Calvinists – and all Protestant sects, for that matter – do not have a valid rite of Mass and do not confect the Holy Eucharist.
Holy Mass Is Christ’s Sacrifice
Holy Mass is the Sacrifice of Christ on the Cross. The purpose of Mass is to be present at the Sacrifice of Christ that is made present again through the priesthood of Jesus Christ. We are present at Calvary. Rather than merely remembering the Passion and death of Christ, we are present at it and partake of its eternal fruits which flow to us from the altar and during the Canon when the priest stands in the place of Christ and offers the Eternal Victim on the Altar to God.
We can further receive grace by partaking of the Holy Eucharist if we are Catholics in the state of grace. This view of the Mass as a propitiatory Sacrifice has been lost in many parishes and replaced by notions of community, where the priest is a presider, and many Catholics falsely view receiving Holy Communion as the purpose of going to Mass, rather than being present at the august sacrifice of the Eternal Victim.
Of course, while any validly ordained priest may consecrate bread and wine using the words of consecration, even while omitting the rest of the Mass (which is done at times in cases of necessity, for instance by priests who are imprisoned and can only smuggle in a small piece of bread and a small amount of wine), this is not the same as promoting and saying prayers that are intentionally deficient with regards to the Faith.
Worship God in Spirit and in Truth
The Faith is not defined by merely external actions. Our Lord Jesus Christ instituted a set of doctrines and established His one True Church as the means of bringing about the conversion of souls and their salvation. He did not institute merely external gestures while telling His disciples to ad lib the rest.
And on the opposite extreme, Our Lord also did not teach His disciples the precise words for Sacramental validity and then tell them that their external postures, garments, and actions were useless since only the internal mattered. Our Faith not only includes heart-felt prayers, works of charity, and pious devotions, but also includes rich liturgical music, elaborate cathedrals, and ornate vestments.
More than mere validity is necessary in the worship of God. If validity was the only basis for whether worship was pleasing to God, Catholics would be able to have their children baptized by an Anglican minister or receive a valid Eucharist from schismatic Greek orthodox priests. Yet, we know that attending the worship of any other denomination is a sin against the First Commandment.[ii]
Consequently, we have an obligation to seek out not only valid Masses but those which are offered according to the Church’s proper rubrics, due reverence, Catholic piety, and authentic Catholic doctrine. In short, we must do our best to attend Catholic liturgies which reflect those three great transcendentals which lead to God: Goodness, Truth, and Beauty.
Is it possible to read the above information and continue to attend the New Mass, without offending God?
[i] Baptisms and marriage may be valid in Protestant denominations. Concerning Baptism, when a Protestant converts to the Catholic Faith the Church ordinarily would recommend a conditional Baptism to be sure.
[ii] See “Religious Indifferentism: Leading Souls to Hell One at a Time” and ”He Who Prays with a Heretic is a Heretic”.
It’s certainly not possible for me to attend the new mass. I’m a convert and did come via that route. I moved from high church Anglicanism when I understood its lack of valid orders and falseness of its claim to have the sacraments. I left behind beautiful, but fatally flawed, ritual and liturgy to encounter polyester chumminess, dreadful new hymns that no one sings, and Fr Niceguy making up the mass as he went along. I did the RCIA at the Cathedral. It was a doctrine and dogma free zone. I think, given the ecumenism mania, the priests were actually embarrassed that anyone wanted to convert from their “faith partners”. Praise God that I found the Mass of Ages fairly quickly. I will hunt it out even if we get to full suppression by the temporal authorities. It’s real. Our Lord is present.
That mentality – don’t bother converting, just be a good “Christian” (or whatever…) has been, disgracefully, prevalent in the Church for years now. It’s incredible that any priest (let alone a pope) would hold such a position, or, perhaps more accurately, cling on to it for dear life, rather than encourage converts to Catholicism. Beggars belief.
Those who hold to this heretical view, that there is no need for anyone to convert to the Faith, must be totally puzzled at the strength of character and beliefs held by the martyrs. If it’s not worth becoming a Catholic, why would anyone give their life’s blood in defence of it?
It is very interesting to think what the bishops today must think of their brother bishops who suffered martyrdom for the faith. I think this short video account of the life and death of Bishop John Fisher, the English bishop who stood up to King Henry VIII at the Reformation, must really puzzle our bishops today, a great deal. They’d have found an excuse to let the King do what he wanted to (as did most of the English bishops – only John Fisher was a real Catholic).
Great post and I am glad you found your way through the novus ordo deception.
You are so right that the hirelings who run the Church of today cringe in embarrassment when people wish to convert to Christ’s Church.
That’s a very helpful article from the Fatima Center. We do need reminding from time to time that the new Mass is not pleasing to God, and even offensive to him. I don’t see how anyone can continue to attend it, once they know that.
I think it’s important to remember that “validity” does not equal Catholicity. The heretics stole two sacraments from the Catholic Church, both of which are “valid,” but the setting in which they are administered renders them poisoned. Likewise, to place a valid Consecration in the middle of a Calvinist-imitation liturgy cannot be anything but heinous in God’s sight.
The last time I witnessed a Novus Ordo was from the choir loft of an N.O. church, whilst waiting for a rehearsal. It reeked of casual informality, total lack of any sense of the sacred. The priest may just as well have been drying dishes and putting them away in the cupboard. I was sorely tempted to shout something rather uncomplimentary from the choir loft, but I counted to 10 and restrained myself. It made me quite angry.
I found this article which deals with your assertion about validity not equalling Catholicity
It covers other topics, and is quite a useful piece.
The new Mass has to offend God when it was created precisely to remove the Catholic prayers and make it palatable for Protestants. How can that possibly be worship that is pleasing to God?
Also, how can it be pleasing to God to forbid priests who have refused the vaccine, from giving out Holy Communion?
At least this would not arise in the TLM, since no lay people may distribute Communion.
Well, what they started via the New Mass, they are continuing through the so-called synodal process
What’s the bet that the one Protestant leader whom the Scots bishops WON’T be inviting, is Dr William Philip of the Tron Church – the minister who led the court case against the Scottish Government’s closure of churches. When the court judgement found that the closure of churches was illicit, you could almost hear the Bishops’ collective [albeit much stronger equivalent of] “Darn!”
ED I suppose you know that Your a Heretic if you do not take part in the Sinnod of the Sinnod of the Sinnodal Way or Whatever other Garbage Bergoglio wants to call it. Not taking part according to Nighty Night Babe Tobin is Being a Heretic. He didn’t say if I could take my Boyfriend along with Me but I suppose that’s a Given.
I mean really these Non Catholic Lavender Cardinals and useless non Catholic Pope telling us what to do and not what to do . I don’t want to swear as ad get a Red Card but al leave it to your Imagination as to where ad love to tell them where to go. As for the N.O. I do not know if it’s Authentic or not ,what I do know is that I do not wish to go back to a Mass where Women in Stiletto Heels 👠 are giving out Communion. Of course if Bergoglio has His way it will be Men in Stiletto Heels 👠 giving out Communion .
Someone mentioned that here in Scotland the powers-that-be are making a big deal out of the synod, preparing for it, but I can’t find anything up to date about it on the Scottish Catholic Media Office website or the website for the Scottish “Catholic” Bishops… Have you any links you could post to enlighten me… please and thank you!
PS “men in stiletto heels” – that DID make laugh; priceless!
Since a majority of practising Catholics still go to the novus ordo, I sincerely hope, for their sakes, that God does not find it offensive, but it’s difficult to reach that conclusion when you read Michaela’s comments.
If the chalice had just a single drop of arsenic in it before the wine and water were poured in – just a single drop, mind you – then at the Consecration the wine would still become the Precious Blood.
By volume, the arsenic – which at one drop, is more than sufficient to kill a man – would not so dilute the whole as to ruin the Sacred Species.
That’s an interesting comparison – but I’m not sure it’s valid because I suspect the priest would drop dead at the Consecration of the Precious Blood!
It’s only a valid comparison because dropped into a cup of coffee, the arsenic wouldn’t change the fact that it’s a cup of coffee, but would the arsenic in the consecrated wine have the same effect that the arsenic in the coffee would have?
To be clear, I’m really asking the same question as Josephine – would the arsenic in the consecrated wine kill the priest?
I’ve decided to throw in the following comment which I posted on another thread on May 22nd, 2021. It is, I think, self-explanatory…
“I should add this little nugget of information… I had posted it on a previous thread when a commentator argued that the new Mass is “legal” / “licit” and so, end of discussion, so to speak. My reply…
The new Mass is “licit” only in a very limited way. I have published, more than once, the Vatican’s own response to two dubia (doubts) submitted by a bishop in South America (I think) on behalf of a layman there, asking this very question about legitimacy.
He asked two questions: (1) is the new Mass “legitimate” in the sense that it is permitted by the Church or (2) is it “legitimate” because it is neither doctrinally unorthodox or otherwise displeasing to God.
Here, yet again, is the (incredible) response of the Vatican:
Pontificia Commissio Ecclesia Dei
Vatican City, 23 May 2012
This Pontifical Commission has received, via your Excellency’s good offices, a copy of a correspondence from [name blacked out] placing before the Commission two dubia as to the interpretation of article 19 of this Commission’s Instruction Universae Ecclesiae.
The first [dubium] asked whether legitimas in UE, article 19, is to be understood as meaning:
(a) Duly promulgated by appropriate procedures of ecclesiastical law (ius ecclesiasticum); or
(b) In accord with both ecclesiastical law and divine law (ius divinum), that is, neither doctrinally unorthodox nor otherwise displeasing to God.
This Pontifical Commission would limit itself to saying that legitimas is to be understood in the sense of 1(a).
The second [dubium] is responded to by this answer.
With the hope that Your Excellency will communicate the contents of this letter to the individual concerned, this Pontifical Commission takes this opportunity to renew its sentiments of esteem.
Sincerely yours in Christ
Mons. Guido Pozzo
In other words, the new Mass is “licit” only because the Church permits it. Not because it is pleasing to God, so it stands to reason that there can be no obligation on Catholics to attend any Mass that even the Vatican will not affirm as wholly doctrinally orthodox and pleasing to God.
If your local butcher refused to affirm that the meat you are about to purchase is wholly nourishing and free from poison, would you go ahead and buy it anyway?
Didn’t think so! Ends.
I’ve used that information lots of times in discussions but it doesn’t seem to make any difference. People either don’t take it in, or don’t believe it means what it obviously does mean. There’s none so blind as those who will not see.
It’s the same with Covid and Vaccine facts – the propagandists have done a wonderful job, given the number of clowns who won’t let the facts get in the way of a totally UN-healthy dose of er… health fear.
Ditto the new Mass – who wants to stand out from the crowd? Better to mosey along to your local parish than have to travel some distance to a TLM where you struggle to find parking or have to walk up hills and down glens (so to speak) to get there blah, blah, BLAH (to quote Greta Thingaymybob).
I think it’s called (fallen) human nature.
Here is an entire and thorough article on precisely this subject:
If you want to cut to the chase, scroll down almost to the bottom to the headline “Summary of Reasons why we shouldn’t attend the New Mass.”
I was glad of that tip when I scrolled those miles and miles and MILES to the foot of the page! Worth the trip, though – a very good summary.
Both mass are valid. Although I have had experienced healing in NO mass. Remember that there were some eucharistic miracles which confirmed the validity of NO mass such one in Argentina and Poland recently I think.
Old rite is v v useful especially if you were involved in the new age therapies. I was trying to get out of TM and Reiki. I found NO MASS quite slow to get rid of it as it took a long while. However I found old rite which sort of speeded up in getting rid of them inside me in a shorter time frame say for example 4 months (OR) or 9 months in NO(NR). Also I found some reverent priests in NO mass which made it beautifully. I’m not detracting OR but it packed some spiritual power in case of myself where TM was removed inside me. It was quite scary cos I didn’t understand why in one church I felt afraid or freaked out re spiritual air inside one particular church but not in other churches. To me, spirit world out there is real and invisible.
I was in Glasgow few years ago for a footie match re celtic as it reminded me of Belfast. Spiritual atmosphere was v different in contrast to Dublin. Been there to other side (bad) of spiritual atmosphere enabled me to be bit sensitive. The best one was in house of loreto in Italy. I remember going to London from Ireland as I arrived in London back in 1990s,I felt spiritual atmosphere had changed a lot from Ireland to London. But now its on the same wavelength, no difference just a little,give or take.
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