Pope & Bishops To Consecrate Russia and Ukraine To Our Lady on 25 March… Is This Good News?

Pope & Bishops To Consecrate Russia and Ukraine To Our Lady on 25 March… Is This Good News?

Pope invites bishops to join him in consecration of Russia

The Consecration of Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary will be pronounced by the Pope on the afternoon of Friday 25 March in St Peter’s Basilica. The act of consecration will be performed in communion with the local Churches throughout the world.

In response to questions from journalists, the director of the Holy See Press Office, Matteo Bruni, has confirmed, “Pope Francis has invited the bishops of the whole world, along with their priests, to join him in the prayer for peace and in the consecration and entrustment of Russia and of Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.”

The Pope will make the prayer in the afternoon of Friday, 25 March – the Solemnity of the Annunciation – in St Peter’s Basilica, on the occasion of the Celebration of Penance, scheduled to begin at 5 pm. The same act, on the same day, will be undertaken by all the bishops of the world. Cardinal Konrad Krajewski, the papal almoner, will perform the act of consecration at Fatima as the envoy of the Pope.

Comments (139)

  • westminsterfly Reply March 18, 2022 at 2:23 pm
  • RCAVictor Reply

    “Invited” and Russia PLUS Ukraine certainly casts confusion over this upcoming act. I don’t know what to make of it, except to wonder how many bishops will accept the invitation.

    March 18, 2022 at 2:39 pm
    • editor Reply

      RCA Victor,

      Not only do I not think this consecration of Russia and Ukraine will be pleasing to God, but the more I think about it, the more I am convinced that it will almost certainly anger God. Stay with me a moment…

      When Pius XII made his attempt, apparently he was genuinely ignorant of the need for the bishops to participate. I think I’m correct in saying that his consecration was even broadcast on radio, so he was making a serious attempt.

      That non-malicious ignorance – not knowing the details of the request – cannot be claimed by his successors, certainly not JP II who admitted, at the end of his attempt, that this was not what Our Lady had requested.

      Then we have the highly intellectual (or so he thinks) Benedict answering an interview question about it by saying that he just couldn’t believe world peace would be achieved that easily. The sheer arrogance of these people who think they know better than Our Lady enrages me, so I can only imagine the effect on her Son.

      I will wait with genuine interest, and some foreboding, to see the outcome of next Friday’s consecration. People keep telling me that it will surely do some good, as previous inadequate consecrations have done. Maybe. However, at this late stage, I’m not so sure. I think God’s anger must be mounting that something so simple, requiring nothing more than a little faith and a 5 minutes prayer, is being refused over and over and over again.

      I get it that people are excited and looking for ways to justify this, optimistic that it will be acceptable in Heaven. We’ll soon see. But I never forget that there is a difference between baseless optimism and true Christian hope. Ignoring, and even dismissing, Our Lady’s own specific request, doesn’t impress me one bit, and as I say, if it doesn’t impress someone as lowly and insignificant as moi, I shudder to think what God thinks of His mother being treated so poorly.

      March 18, 2022 at 8:55 pm
  • Fatimology Expert Reply

    It is not at all true to suggest that the inclusion of Ukraine would somehow detract from the Consecration. In 1917 Ukraine was part of Russia – so Pope Francis is being faithful to exactly what Our Lady asked for.

    March 18, 2022 at 2:40 pm
    • Laura Reply

      Fatimology Expert,

      If Ukraine was part of Russia in 1917 when Our Lady asked for the consecration of Russia, then why not just say “Russia” – why add “Ukraine” now, when it wasn’t a separate country in 1917. In fact, that would not only be faithful to the Fatima message, but it would drive home the truth about the history and geography which we keep hearing is at the root of Putin’s invasion.

      March 18, 2022 at 3:59 pm
    • Athanasius Reply

      Fatimology Expert

      No, Pope Francis is not being faithful by incorporating Ukraine. A lot of Eastern European countries were sucked into the former USSR but Our Lady didn’t include them, she specifically asked for the consecration of one country – RUSSIA. Also, she asked that the Pope “order” the bishops of the world to join with him in this public and solemn act. Pope Francis has merely “invited” the bishops to take part. All in all, it is not specifically in accord with heaven’s request.

      Having said this, I had no idea until just now that Francis had invited the bishops of the world to join in this consecration with him. If they all comply, as is likely given the global coverage of the situation, then we may just have a game changer here, regardless of the mention of Ukraine. This invitation to the bishops is certainly the first time since the request of Our Lady was made known that any Pope has come very close to meeting the criteria. As Editor says, we’ll know one way or the other very soon.

      Interestingly, March 25th is not just the Feast of the Annunciation, it’s also the date which is traditionally held as that on which Our Lord died on the Cross and it providentially falls this year on a Friday. As I say, it will be interesting to see how many bishops take part, how televised the event is and what results from it. If God is pleased with the consecration then we can expect the conversion of Russia very quickly and an equally quick restoration of all things in Christ throughout the world. If He is displeased then expect terrible events to ensue.

      March 18, 2022 at 10:20 pm
      • Faith of Our Fathers

        Couldn’t sleep so thought ad read for a bit . Athanasius I didn’t realize that March 25 was Traditionally held as the Day Christ was Crucified. I have read a couple of Books from Christs Death period one which was about St Luke which said when He was in Greece that a strange Darkness covered the Land at that Time.

        I unfortunately like yourself and others have more foreboding thoughts of this Act by Jorge Bergoglio and do see it as Frankier has said of trying to paper over the Cracks. Again I believe that Personally we would see such as this Act from Bergoglio being more within Fatima and Our Catholic Faith if He would stop His Diabolical Attacks against The Latin Mass. And also stop the way that He treats Faithful Catholic Clergymen and Cloistered Nuns. The Faithful Puerto Rican Bishop being Bergoglios latest Victim .

        March 19, 2022 at 3:03 am
  • Madre Superio Reply

    Did Our Lady use the word “command”? If not, why would the word “invite” matter?

    March 18, 2022 at 2:46 pm
    • Laura Reply

      Madre Superio,

      I’m sure Our Lady didn’t use “command” but something like “God wishes” – I don’t about you but I had a message from Our Lady saying God wishes me to do this or that, I’d do it without adding my own preferred alterations, LOL!

      March 18, 2022 at 4:03 pm
    • Athanasius Reply

      Madre Superio

      Our Lady used the word “order”, which I suppose is the same as “command”.

      March 18, 2022 at 10:22 pm
    • editor Reply

      Madre Superio,

      The word “invite” matters because an invitation is something anyone is free to accept or reject.

      March 18, 2022 at 10:26 pm
  • Michael Reply

    Dear Editor

    Initially like yourself l was positive in the sense that the Consecration would specifically link the name Russia and Consecration in the same word/act so to speak.

    My concern is twofold

    Firstly, that Russia is linked with the Ukraine in the same act , contrary to Heavens injunction. Then there is the second aspect of his holiness “inviting” the worlds Bishops as opposed to invoking his juridical authority and mandate over the worlds Episcopacy as Supreme Pontiff as instructed by Our Lady.

    I have seen a recent update on Lifesitenews that stipulated not just the Episcopate or equivalent in Law but also the Presbyterate? Again it’s worded as an invitation as opposed to an order as requested by Our Blessed Mother.

    Again the entire issue for me is all bout specific things that must be undertaken without obfuscation or anything that can be regarded as equivocal.

    I also concur with your Biblical analogy which is a common thread in Sacred Scripture regarding God giving specific instructions and injunctions to various individuals etc in accord with Salvation History.

    Russia alone is named
    The Consecration is specifically directed to Russia solely
    The Supreme Pontiff has ordered the Global Episcopate in unison with him to complete Heaven’s mandate.

    Time and the unfolding of events will clarify very specifically if Heaven will accept or reject this action.

    There is also the additional detail that Our Blessed Mother insisted that this along with the Third Secret should have been undertaken/ made public by 1960!?

    Every blessing

    Michael

    March 18, 2022 at 2:50 pm
  • Pytor Reply

    Dear Editor
    I show this post to traditional priest Fr. Patmic Kievar back in Poland, Below is his response.
    thank you –

    ‘The war is in Ukraine, it is Ukrainian people who are suffering and being murdered, this is why Ukraine is included in the consecration. It is their own deep desire to be placed under the protection of the protecting veil of our Blessed Mother.

    Is there anything this Pope (or any Pope) could ever do or say to convince everyone that the consecration would ever be valid?

    Would we ever be happy with any version of the consecration? would it ever be satisfactory? If it wasn’t the inclusion of Ukraine, then it would be some other such objection to the wording or the liturgy or the version of the rosary used and so on.

    Perhaps some people do not want the Pope or the Church to ever be legitimate or righteous, because that would make our own lifetime of hostility and and resentment toward Rome, devoid of any real meaning or purpose.

    I am going to put aside all my bitterness and cynicism and join with the rest of the global Church family around the world to come together with the Holy Father, Bishops, Priest, families and children, to ask Our Lady to intercede for peace the world.

    Let us not be on the outside, acting like Popes of our own little Churches of twos and threes.’

    March 18, 2022 at 3:31 pm
    • Faith of Our Fathers Reply

      It doesn’t matter whether this Particular War is in Ukraine or in Siberia the Fact is this. Our Lady said unless Russia is Consecrated to My Immaculate Heart. If Pope Bergoglio doesn’t know these Precise Instructions then He’s not carrying them out . Also as the ED says and I back 110% Bergoglio if He is sincere should be Ordering The Catholic Bishops of The World for Obedience. After all He’s not slow through His Bouncer Arthur Roche to tell us, who Prefer The Latin Mass, how wrong we are.

      Also though, and the ED will certainly come in on this . Is Jorge Bergoglio a Valid Pope and Should this Consecration not be done by Pope Benedict. Remember it is Bergoglio who doesn’t want to be known as The Vicar of Christ. I of course know that Benedict is a Very Frail Man . But should He do this, what a way to go to Your Creator. Also your comment about us not acting like Little Popes ( God Forbid )
      two’s enough . Then more reason to follow Our Blessed Lady’s instructions Word for Word. And words in Our Faith are tremendously important.
      You need go no Further than The Consecration at Holy Mass. For the importance of Language. Which is to us so important, that in all Latin Mass throughout the World, The words are exactly the same.

      March 18, 2022 at 7:26 pm
    • Athanasius Reply

      Pytor

      Millions of innocent babies have been systematically murdered in their mother’s wombs for decades in this so-called civilised world. Millions more have died in numberless conflicts in other nations, so the present suffering of the Ukranian people, terrible as it is, is no reason to alter Our Lady’s specific request of the Pope.

      She named Russia alone and she did so because the present battle is supernatural, “the final battle” between Our Lady and Lucifer, from which she will emerge triumphant. The people who wish to include Ukraine, or who are at ease with its inclusion in this forthcoming Papal act are people who think as men think, not as God thinks. I understand that human emotions are running high over Ukraine but this is no excuse for changing the words clearly spoken by Our Lady. It seems to me that it is precisely those who are at ease with altering Our Lady’s request who are the ones really acting like popes in their own little churches.

      Furthermore, no matter how many people suffer and die in this world the real tragedy of the Third Secret of Fatima has been the loss of faith in the Church since Vatican II. Remember, the death of a single soul is more terrible in the sight of God than the destruction of the world. As I say, we Catholics have to look at things from a supernatural viewpoint, the way God wants us to view them, instead of getting all emotional on the human level to the point of wantonly altering Our Lady’s very own dictation to the three little seers. I am nevertheless hopeful about this forthcoming consecration despite the human tinkering with Our Lady’s words, provided the bishops of the world actually take part in a very public and solemn way.

      March 18, 2022 at 10:41 pm
    • editor Reply

      Pytor,

      Does your priest friend not realise that there are wars happening all over the place right now, where people are suffering – e.g. Yemen, the Middle East, North West Asia and Sub-Saharan Africa, Afghanistan, and a major ongoing drug-war in Mexico. Wikipedia lists around 40 ongoing wars and conflicts with over 100 combat deaths in 2020 or 2021.

      So, should the Pope mention all of these by name? Why just Ukraine?

      You appear not to know the request of Our Lady – she didn’t ask for liturgies, rosaries or anything except a short prayer of consecration naming Russia, and carried out by the Pope and the world’s bishops.

      Pope Francis has called the world’s bishops to Rome several times in recent years, usually for his daft synods, so there is no reason why he can’t call them to Rome for the purpose of praying the consecration of Russia.

      In the past, excuses were made that this would annoy the Russian Orthodox but who cares? Right now, the entire world considers Russia to be Enemy Number One, so there is nothing to lose and everything to gain by doing this properly.

      This mentality of tying it to Ukraine is ridiculous. As if Ukrainians wouldn’t benefit – like everyone else – if the consecration of Russia is effected, as requested by Our Lady of Fatima.

      Again, please remind your priest friend that Our Lord Himself expressed his displeasure that the consecration had not taken place – back in 1931! Imagine His anger now! Sister Lucy reveals…

      Our Lord complained to me: ‘They did not wish to heed My request! …Like the King of France they will repent of it, and they will do it, but it will be late. Russia will have already spread its errors in the world, provoking wars and persecutions against the Church. The Holy Father will have much to suffer.’
      https://fatima.org/the-apparition-at-rianjo-1931/?msclkid=bc60c9ffa70e11eca96f948d486da150

      You speak of a lifetime of hostility and resentment against Rome. Speak for yourself. I don’t experience any such sentiments. I love the Church and my one major concern here, is that the opportunity to actually obey Our Lady’s request, spelled out clearly, is not lost.

      This will be widely covered in the media. Imagine the mockery down the line when Russia does not convert, and the wars around the world continue – and perhaps multiply. The Devil knows what he’s doing. For goodness sake. Gerragrip!

      Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us!

      March 18, 2022 at 10:52 pm
    • editor Reply

      “Pytor”

      I have now been alerted to your trolling – yet again. Fr. Patmic Kievar? Kinda very close to my own name. Just as “Pytor” is pretty close to yours. I let my guard down because this subject is so serious that I didn’t think even you would resort to this sort of scandalous distraction. You are a clown. Because of you, I usually keep ALL new bloggers in moderation for quite a while – as I say, this time, I didn’t because I assumed that even you would take this matter seriously, Now go, and pray some swears. We’re too busy here for such nonsense.

      Note: I have now received two emails from the (well-known) troll here – we call him the resident troll – insisting that he is not “Pytor”. I am, therefore, duty bound to let you all know that he denies being this particular person. I’m interested, therefore, in the identity of the priest “Pytor” names. if Pytor would come back on and give me a link to a site where I can find “Fr Patmic Kievar” listed, I would be grateful. Thank you Pytor (by the way, is that pronounced with the “e” sound “pitor” as in Peter or with the i sound as in “isolated”?

      And a little time later again – I’ve had another email from the person who has trolled here for years but now insists he’s a reformed character. He’s only reading this thread, not trolling. Whatever. He is castigating me for not replying to his emails, loftily reminding me of my policy to never ignore messages, so uncharitable. That’s an out-of-date policy, which has been updated to take account of the number of pest emails I receive. Those I do not answer; they are filed in the Harassment folder. That way I brought an end to the idiotic emails I received from the LGBTQ+ females who wanted to “date” me as we debated the JFS scandal. Only the one-off warning that the file would be handed to the authorities brought an end to that nonsense, so, if you’re a pest or a troll, don’t expect any answers to your emails, please and thank you. Finally, I’ve altered my original comment just to please you – I could see you were upset, and that’s not nice.

      This editorial note is now closed. I won’t be adding anything further to it, so don’t waste your time emailing again, please and thank you! Matter resolved. Finished. Finito.

      March 19, 2022 at 7:51 am
  • Frankier Reply

    I hope it`s not a case of `so near and yet so far`. Maybe Our Lady will relent a little.* If this doesn`t work, then I`m afraid that it will never be done. It`s difficult enough now to convince people that it hasn`t already been done but going so close would make it even harder.

    I wonder where the bishops will be to perform the consecration, whether or not if will be done in church with an invited congregation or whatever.

    * I read once where Our Lady relented as to the design of the Miraculous Medal when She was described as carrying an orb
    in Her hand but the finished article was different.

    March 18, 2022 at 4:00 pm
    • Laura Reply

      Frankier,

      Jesus told Sr Lucia that it would be done, but it would be “late”.

      March 18, 2022 at 4:04 pm
      • Frankier

        Laura

        I agree with you. I was thinking more about my own situation in that I fear it may never be done in my lifetime, so please God and Our Lady that it gets done correctly.

        It`s a situation where it is easier to do it correctly than otherwise but, like everything else in life, there is a tendency to make simple things complicated.

        March 18, 2022 at 10:14 pm
  • Tropolovski Reply

    Only Russia is editor own interpretation. No word from Theotokos. Doomsday sayers finding fault before it done. Theotokos will triumph with or not with editor approval or happiness herewith.

    March 18, 2022 at 4:57 pm
  • Kate Reply

    Comment deleted – totally off topic.

    March 18, 2022 at 7:34 pm
  • Faith of Our Fathers Reply

    Specific instructions through Our Lady appearing down through the centuries have always been asked for.
    From Guadalupe to Lourdes what She specifically asked for was carried out.

    I personally am not Jorge Bergoglios biggest Fan to put it Mildly. But and it’s a big BUT he still has time to do this Perfectly. Or not at all.
    Also ,Jorge has been notorious for doing ,let’s just say wrong things relevant to Our Catholic Faith on Marian Feast Days.

    March 18, 2022 at 7:36 pm
  • gabriel syme Reply

    In truth, I think the way this is being set up looks good.

    I don’t think it matters if Ukraine is mentioned along with Russia. At worst, that is just an erroneous addition which does not take away from the Russian part of it.

    However, it is a good point made above that, in 1917, what is now Ukraine was part of Russia and indeed that Russia today still considers Ukraine a part of itself.

    I think the point inviting the Bishops of the world to participate with him is adequate too. Some will participate and some will not, regardless of what language is used. The Pope could issue a specific command, but we all know the Church has no real functioning authority and has not for decades. It is clear that he wants them to act along with him and I think that is what matters.

    We should all now hector our local Bishops to ensure their participation!

    March 18, 2022 at 8:25 pm
    • editor Reply

      Gabriel Syme,

      The Pope has managed to get ALL of the world’s bishops into Rome for goodness knows how many synods now, and another one in the offing next year, so I think it’s not beyond his capabilities to get them to make the trip for the purpose of the Consecration of Russia. Again, your (and others) dismissal of Our Lady’s specific request for Russia and ONLY Russia to be consecrated, just leaves me (almost) speechless!

      March 18, 2022 at 8:43 pm
      • gabriel syme

        Editor,

        I have not ‘dismissed’ anything – rather I have acknowledged that all of the necessary requirements are (on the face of it) present here. The Pope intends to consecrate Russia and has asked the Bishops to do it with him.

        Our Lady asked for “Russia”, not (as you put it) “ONLY Russia”. Yes, while she only mentioned Russia by name, she did not explicitly forbid any other inclusion which may be appropriate.

        I do not think Our Lady is a petty legalist, who would frown on polite words like “invitation” being used, or who would use attempts to acknowledge subsequent border changes as an excuse not to keep her word.

        To give an analogy, imagine you were visiting a friend who asked you to bring in a pint of milk for them. At the shop, you helpfully decide to lift a loaf for them as well. Would it be reasonable for your friend to dismiss all your efforts as worthless, because they asked for “ONLY milk”.

        No it would not. At worst, if the loaf was not needed, they would have some extra bread, that’s all.

        Fr Hennick expressed an essentially identical opinion to me this Sunday, with the exception that he also pointed out that Kiev was the ancient capital of Russia (which I did not know).

        You say his comments ‘delighted’ you, yet mine left you nearly speechless – ?!?

        March 21, 2022 at 8:48 am
      • editor

        Gabriel Syme,

        We will have to agree to disagree on this because “on the face of it” as you put it, all the necessary requirements are NOT met, in my considered opinion.

        For the record, though, I did not say that Our Lady used the word “ONLY” (Russia) but the fact IS that she did name ONLY Russia – and as we have agreed many times on this blog, Our Lady chooses her words carefully. The fact that Ukraine was part of Russia in 1917 when she appeared at Fatima, highlights, even more, in my view, the fact that all that is required for Ukraine to benefit, is for the Consecration of Russia (naming ONLY Russia) to take place. I can’t see why that is such an issue. It may be that I am the one being petty legalistic (as you and others imply) and it will turn out that those who think it doesn’t matter, are correct, but since I’m used to be in the minority, that doesn’t trouble me, at all. I remember the shock horror emails I used to get when I published my opinion in the newsletter that for Archbishop (then Cardinal) O’Brien to be so accepting (and defending) of the dissident priests about whom we were writing in the newsletter at that time, there had to be something seriously disordered in his own life. WOW! Was I castigated for that – and the rest, as they say, is history. Maybe this time history will prove me wrong. Believe it or not, I sure hope so.

        As I’ve already pointed out a couple of times, Fr Hennick made very clear that he was choosing his words carefully. He acknowledged that there is a mixture of opinions on this and he had to take account of that – which I understand, since we’re not dealing with dogma where he would have no choice but to restate the Church’s teaching. This is different.

        Nevertheless I did not hear him dismissing the words of Our Lady – indeed I got the distinct impression (I think he said) that it would be better if Our Lady’s wishes were followed precisely as she gave them, but, whatever, he certainly did not make any suggestion that it is “petty” of God to expect the Fatima Message and consecration to be followed exactly as He has revealed it, through His mother.

        And as for Our Lady not objecting to the “polite” term “invitation” – well, it’s a wonder she didn’t use that term herself. An invitation may be accepted or rejected, so I am surprised at those who see nothing amiss or who have apparently not considered how God might look at the situation where a majority of the bishops reply “no thanks” to the RSVP.

        Your analogy is a good one but doesn’t work because buying a bottle of milk and a loaf of bread for a friend is not going to change the dire state of the world. It would only surprise any friend of mine because they already think I’m the very epitome of a miserable, mean Scot 😀

        Now, I’m going to be abandoning the blog today as we are in the final week of the newsletter write-up – it has to be with the printer middle of this week so I will have to love you all and leave you for a bit. I’ll catch up in due course, though, so this is not to be interpreted as “while the cat’s away…” 😀

        March 21, 2022 at 9:08 am
  • editor Reply

    I’m more than a little taken aback at the way Our Lady’s own words are dismissed so lightly. As if she didn’t know, in 1917, that Ukraine, then part of Russia, would become a separate country. She really ought to have been told, given the confusion it is now causing regarding this latest consecration. Indeed, the very fact that Ukraine was part of Russia in 1917, and given that Russia is now Enemy Number 1 across the world, so who is going to object to it being consecrated, as requested by Our Lady of Fatima now? There’s just no excuse. Our Lady asked for Russia and Russia alone. Just as God told Moses to raise his arm over the Red Sea and only his arm – he was not to attempt to swim! God knows what He is going – He has a reason for everything He asks of us. We don’t have to second guess Him.

    But that’s the point, isn’t it? Satan deals in disorder, confusion, chaos. When something comes from God, we can tell; there is calm and good order.

    But listen, folks, there’s no point in getting angry about this, as I detect in some comments. We will soon know whether or not this latest consecration is acceptable to God. And we don’t have long to wait at all.

    How will we know? Well, we’ll know because Our Lady told us that Russia would be converted (to the Faith, obviously), and a period of world peace would follow.

    All we have to do is wait patiently until after next Friday, 25 March. If not immediately, then things will begin to change, to move forward fairly quickly. Days or weeks at most…

    Can’t wait.

    March 18, 2022 at 8:41 pm
  • EstavanaBalanguer Reply

    Bishop Schneider saying we be rejoicing at the Pontiff consecrado. Why CT cast a long gloom over good news? God bless Pape Francisco.

    March 18, 2022 at 8:42 pm
    • editor Reply

      EstavanaBalanguer

      Well, let’s see if the Bishop changes his mind – people seem to be jumping with joy without taking any time to seriously examine the issues. Maybe on reflection, he will ask the Pope to do the consecration precisely as Our Lady asked. Then I will be jumping with joy!

      March 18, 2022 at 9:03 pm
  • Estavana Reply

    Editor you be also putting words into Maria mouth. Virgo did not say immediate conversation. She say Rus will be conversion. It may take many days or period of time. You speak of consecrado like magic spell abra kedabra everything be ok. God not work like that and Maria Virgo not say that.

    March 18, 2022 at 8:50 pm
    • Athanasius Reply

      Estavana

      You underestimate the power of Almighty God in the matter of the world’s conversion. When Portugal was consecrated to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart the change that took place in that country was astoundingly quick. The Masonic political leadership was overthrown almost immediately and the faith, until then almost dead, enjoyed a sudden rebirth. Portugal also enjoyed a very rapid economic surge. Oh yes, the conversion of Russia and the world will be astoundingly fast, unless of course you think God hasn’t got that kind of power.

      March 18, 2022 at 10:48 pm
  • EstavanaBalanguer Reply

    Editor dear sir, you see FSSPX say pray hard for consecrado on Friday? CT say so too and it will be fine. Not say constant complaining like Mr Dickens Scrooge!

    March 18, 2022 at 8:52 pm
    • editor Reply

      EstavanaBalanguer

      Everybody is saying pray hard for the consecration on Friday and they think this is wonderful – I’m in a clear minority!

      Can’t be helped.

      March 18, 2022 at 9:01 pm
      • Faith of Our Fathers

        ED your certainly not a Majority of One regards this Consecration or Non Consecration as anyone who knows the least about Fatima must know that this is Wrong. Personally God Forgive Me if am wrong but I just see it as a sort of Popularity Deed.

        As you say Jorge Bergoglio has had Bishops ordered to Rome for the most Flippant of things yet so called Catholics don’t see the need for them to go to The Vatican for what would be the Most Important thing Any Pope would have carried out in over a Century.
        We also know that their didn’t seem to be any Problems raking through the Amazon Rainforest to pluck put a 1000 or 2000 Natives for The Pachamama Scandal.
        I would like to be proven wrong but to me something is Far Wrong with all of this. As I said above if this is done Hereticaly on a Marian Feast Day . Then God Help Us All.

        March 18, 2022 at 11:23 pm
    • Athanasius Reply

      EstavanaBalanguer

      I think it would do you well to remember that the SSPX bishops have several times consecrated Russia to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart in leu of the Pope finally obeying heaven. Also, this blog under Editor’s guidance has, for years, spoken the truth about Fatima and the consecration while most Catholics were saying that the consecration was done by John Paul II. We know on this blog what Our Lady specifically asked for and that’s all we’re asking the Pope and bishops to be faithful to. We don’t need any more Vatican II adlibbing for political or ecumenical reasons. Our Lady mentioned only Russia, so let’s just do what Our Lady asked for, eh?

      March 18, 2022 at 10:52 pm
      • EstavanaBalanguer

        Atanasius,

        Yes, the FSSPX bishops many times attempt to do it but without pape it s not happy with heaven. Editor sir says God not happy to be with Pape Francisco in fact he be angry. How is this faithful to Maria? It sounds like CT is too gregarious and not listening to the FSSPX writers of website and the bishop of kazakstan who both saying be happy about Friday consecrado and pray. CT saying so it seems that this isn’t real Fatima event? No?

        March 18, 2022 at 10:59 pm
      • Fidelis

        EstavanaBalanguer

        With all due respect to the SSPX, they have no authority to consecrate Russia – it is the Pope and Bishops together who must do it. It’s really very simple. I can’t see what the fuss is about.

        March 18, 2022 at 11:22 pm
      • Athanasius

        EstavanaBalanguer

        I have to clerify that the consecrations carried out by the SSPX bishops were done in a spirit of union with the Pope whenever the Pope finally decided to obey Our Lady. The SSPX never intended its consecrations to be viewed as episcopal acts contrary to the Church’s hierarchy. People really need to investigate such matters before commenting on them.

        March 19, 2022 at 12:06 am
  • RCAVictor Reply

    Editor,

    Remember when I claimed, not long ago, that Fr. Gruner had composed a sample Consecration prayer? Well, David Rodriquez of the Fatima Center just published this article about this upcoming event, in which he includes this:

    “[2] What text will be used for the Consecration? This is absolutely essential because it must be a true and proper consecration. We hope that the Vatican will publish it soon. The Fatima Center has long advocated a Consecratory prayer based on the prayer used by the Portuguese bishops to consecrate their nation in 1931. (Below you can find a prayer recommended by The Fatima Center.)”

    The download link is at the bottom of the article. Now about those zeroes….

    https://fatima.org/news-views/in-union-with-all-the-bishops/

    PS: David has the same concerns as yours.

    March 18, 2022 at 10:01 pm
    • editor Reply

      RCA Victor,

      I’ve emailed the Fatima Center with my disappointment that Fr R allowed for the possible legitimacy of including Ukraine. I’ve asked them to forward my email to him – and I included the link to this discussion.

      I’m now seriously thinking of buying a remote island somewhere. One without any inhabitants.

      March 18, 2022 at 10:29 pm
      • EstavanaBalanguer

        Oratories of FSSPX be organising events here in Espana marking the consecrado and thanking Maria about keeping promises. Lots of true old Catholics are now being in a state of rejoicement for Pape is finally doing what the Virgo has decreed. Please listen to experts in this area of Maria and not be making minds on small evidence.

        March 18, 2022 at 11:06 pm
      • Faith of Our Fathers

        Editor: Comment deleted… FOOF, personal remarks not allowed, you know that, although you make a good point – still; there are people from foreign parts living in the UK, so let’s leave it there 😀

        March 18, 2022 at 11:29 pm
  • RCAVictor Reply

    For those who think that this lame Vatican II-style word “invitation” is enough, here are Sister Lucia’s words on the subject, quoted at the end of David Rodriguez’ article that I posted a minute ago (but which has yet to appear…):

    “[2] Regarding the participation of the bishops, Sister Lucia stated: “So that the bishops of the world be united to the Pope in this Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, the Pope must either convoke all the bishops to Rome, or to another place – to Tuy for example – or else order the bishops of the entire world to organize, each in his own cathedral, a solemn and public ceremony of Reparation and of Consecration of Russia to the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary.” [Pierre Caillon, La Consecration de la Russie aux Tres Saints Coeurs de Jesus et de Marie, ed. Tequi 1983, p. 31.]”

    [2] is footnote 2. Note the words “convoke” (to call together for a meeting – to Rome) and “order.”

    March 18, 2022 at 10:10 pm
  • RCAVictor Reply

    (My first post has now appeared)

    There is something else a bit curious about this invitation: if the Freemasons who control the chokepoints of power in the Vatican wouldn’t allow JP II and Benedict to perform the Consecration as requested, why are they allowing this?

    March 18, 2022 at 10:12 pm
    • editor Reply

      RCA Victor,

      Are you sure? There’s nothing in any of the admin files, so have you obeyed my previous instructions… i.e. waited a minute, refreshed the page, danced a Highland Fling, sung a verse of Auld Lang Syne, refreshed the page again and then checked (1) the sidebar and (2) the place where you’d expect it to be (or not to be)?

      Americans… who needs them, folks? 😀

      March 18, 2022 at 10:32 pm
  • RCAVictor Reply

    As for the addition of Ukraine, just wanted to point out that if various popes had obeyed Our Lady’s request, the Consecration would have been done long before 1991, when Ukraine became a separate country….

    March 18, 2022 at 10:17 pm
  • Mary Anne Reply

    Incredible news I just saw and heard on Life Site News. Father Nicholas Gruner had prophesied that the “Pope after Benedict would make the consecration” I heard Father Gruner say it. It is on the video at Life Site News with Kennedy Hall and John Henry Westen.

    March 19, 2022 at 2:33 am
    • editor Reply

      Mary Anne,

      I once heard Fr Gruner express support for a certain false private apparition – Fr Gobbi’s Marian Movement of Priests. So, much as I loved Fr Gruner, and considered him to be saintly, he was not infallible.

      I’ve just watched the video (thank you, Andrew) and it’s simply not true to say that Fr Gruner “prophesied” that “the Pope after Pope Benedict would make the consecration.” That is a very generous interpretation of the facts. Fr Gruner merely repeated something that he had been told. I copied out his exact words…

      Fr Gruner: “I’ve been told that it will not be John Paul II who would do the Consecration of Russia. I was told it would not be his successor but the successor of John Paul’s successor; in other words, the successor of Benedict XVI, so in that sense it’s good news because we’re now going to have the next pope will be the one to do the Consecration…”

      I seriously doubt that Fr Gruner would be supporting this Ukraine-Russia consecration, having been emphatic, throughout the 36 or so years of his apostolate, in his insistence that Our Lady’s stated request for the Consecration be followed to the letter.

      March 19, 2022 at 4:56 pm
      • Mary Anne

        Thank you for your information. I will delete the story.

        March 21, 2022 at 4:47 am
  • Josephine Reply

    Well, I am finding it hard to believe that people can so easily dispense with the words, not only of Our Lady when she requested the Consecration of Russia but Our Lord when He appeared to Lucia in 1931 at Rianjo and warned “My ministers” that by delaying the Consecration, they were following the bad example of the King of France when he failed to consecrate France and so would follow him “into misfortune”.

    The form of ceremonies really matter (as we know in the sacraments for example) and we cannot change the words or the sacrament would be invalid. I think this is no different. If God had wanted it any other way, or to leave it open to possibilities, he would have and could have done that.

    Friends have pointed out that Bishop Schneider is also supporting Friday’s consecration so it will be interesting to see what they say some way down the line when the vision in the 3rd secret revealed part comes true, and shows that the consecration still needs to be done.

    March 19, 2022 at 3:18 pm
    • Catherine Reply

      Josephine,

      I agree, it is hard to believe that people can so easily dispense with the words of Our Lady and Our Lord. I know people are eager to believe that the Pope is going to consecrate Russia. We all want this to happen, it will benefit the whole world which is all the more reason why it should be done exactly the way Our Lady requested with no alterations or compromises. I think this time if it is not done exactly as Our Lady requested we can be sure of God’s wrath, so it is in everyone’s best interest that it be done in accordance with Our Lady’s exact request.I think that the Pope is trying to cause more division amongst Catholics. Where there is confusion and disorder, there is the devil. The fact that the Catholic world is confused over this pending consecration speaks volumes. Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us!

      March 19, 2022 at 5:16 pm
    • Athanasius Reply

      Josephine

      The Modernists changed the words of Our Lord Himself when they altered “for you and for many” to “for you and for all men” at the consecration, yet that change at the very heart of the Mass, did not invalidate the consecration. Assuming, then, that Pope Francis draws up an act of consecration which covers the essentials of what Our Lady asked for at Fatima and includes the bishops of the world in a public and solemn way, I find it difficult to see how the inclusion of Ukraine, however odd, would be sufficient to nullify the act. We need to pray hard this week!

      March 19, 2022 at 6:13 pm
      • Lily

        Athanasius,

        Your example of the “for you and for all men” reminded me of an article I once read about Canon Law (I’ll see if I can find it again to post here, if you want me to). The writer was giving examples of when the Mass would be invalid and the first point he made was that if it’s a departure from what is in the liturgical books, that’s right away an issue. So, the example you give wouldn’t make the consecration invalid because it was allowed in the liturgical books. The other example which sticks in my head was to do with intention. It was about a priest who (maybe is tired or whatever) and gets mixed up at the consecration and says the words of consecration over the wine instead of the bread. That means he has not consecrated the bread so it remains just bread, no matter how good his intention was.

        I think that applies to this Russia-Ukraine consecration. The face that cannot be denied is that Our Lady (and later Jesus himself) did not ask for any other country but Russia to be consecrated.

        I’m just amazed that so many people – even Bishop Schneider – are settling for this Ukraine consecration and it’s really down to the fact that it’s PC to be in favour of all things Ukraine right now,. I find it worrying and very sad.

        March 19, 2022 at 6:52 pm
      • Athanasius

        Lily

        I think the first point to make in response to your response is that that consecration word change in the New Mass was NOT in the liturgical books for over 1000 years until the Modernists put it there, so being added to the liturgical books hardly makes it right and proper before God. The fact remains, however, that this change, bad as it was, did not invalidate the consecration.

        In like manner, incorrect as it is in terms of what Our Lady specified, the mention of Ukraine in a papal/episcopal act of public consecration of Russia to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart, assuming the wording is accurate, will not be suffice to nullify that consecration. The essentials will have been met and the mention of Ukraine will be insufficient to render the act invalid. Again, assuming fidelity to the wording by the Pope and assuming compliance of the world’s bishops, this act will be the first time that the entire hierarchy has come together to fulfil the request of Our Lady of Fatima. After years of illicit ecumenism and confusion, I tend to think that Our Lord may be more inclined to overlook the novelty of the Ukraine inclusion, assuming again that all else is true and accurate. I really don’t see this mention of Ukraine as the deal breaker some think it might be.

        I’m cautiously optimistic this time around, although it remains to be seen how Francis words his act of consecration. I mean, will he call it a consecration or will he use that Modernist term “entrustment”, and will he phrase the prayer in supernatural terms or will it be couched in humanist language. This is my main concern regarding validity, although I agree that it would have been better had he not included a nation Our Lady didn’t mention. Still, if it’s a public and solemn act of consecration by the Pope and bishops that names Russia before the entire world then I think heaven will accept it.

        March 19, 2022 at 7:17 pm
      • Lily

        Athanasius,

        In Canon Law it says the liturgical books, that is the fact. As long as the priests were using the words as they were published in the books, that’s the rubric so it would not invalidate the Mass, as you say. If they’d been saying that without the rubrics allowing it, the consecration wouldn’t have been valid.

        More than that, however, I’m just dumbfounded at the way you can say God will overlook the disobedience to his stated (by Our Lady!) wish for the consecration of Russia! God didn’t overlook the disobedience of his chosen people and punished them many times for it, even when to our human eyes, their disobedience doesn’t seem that serious. People were struck dead for offering false worship – that seems very harsh to our eyes. But, again as you said previously, we should be looking at this through God’s eyes, not human eyes. Fatima and the Consecration of Russia are the most important events of our time. We can’t play fast and loose with it, assuming we know what God will think is acceptable when he’s spelt it out clearly for us.

        I’m also taken aback that you have gone from pointing out that Our Lady said the Pope should “order” the bishops to participate (which I didn’t know, actually), to thinking an invitation is enough.

        I do have to allow for the possibility that I’m on the wrong track here – everybody else more or less, thinks it a great thing and only a few of us don’t think so. I just can’t see it. If Putin and the rest of the Russians convert in the next couple of weeks and world peace descends, I’ll have to say I was wrong. Until then I’m in the doubting camp.

        March 19, 2022 at 7:42 pm
      • Athanasius

        Lily

        Juridically speaking, you’re right about the liturgical books. Morally speaking, however, the real question is why the Modernists updated the liturgical books to incorporate words into the Canon of the Mass which diverged from those spoken by Our Lord and which ultimately opened the liturgy to potential inavalidity. It’s the difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. It’s the difference between man’s law and God’s law, similar to the situation we all found ourselves in some months ago when governments moved the goal posts on human freedom to enshrine lockdowns and mask wearing into law. It was from then on “law”, but was it licit?

        As regards disobedience in the matter of the consecration, all I can say is that we need to weigh this inclusion of Ukraine in the forthcoming act against decades of refusal to make the consecration at all. It seems to me that when comparing the two scenarios the latter equates to a far more serious offence against God than the former. Let’s just wait and see what happens – including what the wording of that consecration looks like. On that note, it would be interesting to discover what Archbishop Vigano and the SSPX have to say on this subject. Does anyone know?

        March 19, 2022 at 8:59 pm
  • RCAVictor Reply

    Some years ago The Fatima Center distributed a book by one of their supporters, Bruce W. Walters, called Russian Sunrise. It is an attempt to speculate, in a novel, what might happen after the Consecration is done. I discovered it is now online as a PDF, if anyone is interested:

    https://fatima.org/books/russian-sunrise/

    March 19, 2022 at 5:48 pm
    • Athanasius Reply

      RCAVictor

      I read a few pages of that book and found it quite addictive. I have to say, though, that I am not inclined in general to read works of fiction, relaxing as they can be. I’ve always only read factual works because all else seems frivolous, at least to me. Still, it looks like a great story.

      March 19, 2022 at 7:27 pm
  • westminsterfly Reply

    Interesting quote from the late Fr Malachi Martin who claimed to have read the full Third Secret, regarding Russia / Ukraine / Kiev . . . https://onepeterfive.com/third-secret-fatima-kiev/

    March 19, 2022 at 7:32 pm
    • Lily Reply

      Westminster Fly,

      That is really interesting. It’s tantalising, but there’s more questions than answers raised there. I think we’d need more information to really make sense of it. This keeps coming back to the truth that Our Lady didn’t mention Ukraine. If Russia is consecrated that includes Ukraine so I don’t see the need to confuse everyone (well, confuse me, definitely!) by suddenly saying the two countries are to be consecrated. I just do not see the need. Our Lady was very precise in what she said.

      March 19, 2022 at 7:49 pm
      • westminsterfly

        Lily
        Maybe Our Lady DID mention Ukraine – in the unreleased part of the Third Secret. According to Fr Malachi Martin She did. Our Lady has been precise in what She has said that has so far been released, but the Third Secret hasn’t been fully released, so we can only speculate. But if Fr Martin is to be believed, then Ukraine is somehow involved in the final solution of this problem (I think he must be referring to the Consecration here, as he mentions ‘final solution’. Perhaps it was the Ukrainian bishops’ plea to the Pope that tipped the scales), Fr Martin said “Now as regards the mystery of Fatima it still stands…. So Russia is within the plans. Why? Err….that would take me too far afield into papal secrets. Why Russia and Kiev are involved in the final solution of this problem. But they are. They are part-and-parcel and it’s really God’s choice. And it is purely and simply God’s choice. Like he chose the Jews. He has His own favorite solutions. I wouldn’t have chosen Russians or Kiev or The East for salvation. But salvation is to come from the East.”

        March 20, 2022 at 10:21 am
      • westminsterfly

        PS Lily,
        In Fulda, Germany in 1980, Pope John Paul II publicly stated “Given the seriousness of the contents, my predecessors in the Petrine office diplomatically preferred to postpone publication (of the Third Secret) so as not to encourage the world power of Communism to make certain moves.” If Ukraine was mentioned in the Third Secret, this comment would make sense, being as at that time Ukraine was part of the USSR https://fatima.org/pope-john-paul-ii-in-fulda-germany-1980

        March 20, 2022 at 10:27 am
    • Athanasius Reply

      Westminsterfly

      Thank you for that link, it was good to get that deeper insight into the links between Russia and Ukraine, not to mention the link Fr. Malachi Martin apparently made between these tow nations and the Third Secret.

      I was reading a statement of Bishop Schneider today concerning this upcoming consecration and he was likewise unconcerned about the inclusion of Ukraine. It’s the view of Bishop Schneider that Ukraine was annexed by Russia at the time when Our Lady first asked for the consecration of the latter. I would go a little further than that and say that Russia and Ukraine have centuries of history and ties which renders the two nations almost indistinguishable. Ultimately, though, we know that Our Lady spoke of Russia and Russia, unlike Ukraine, is the global power which turned the world Communist and atheist. The Chinese and North Korean Communist powers would not exist today but for Russia’s intrigues. Bottom line is I don’t think the mention of Ukraine is a serious enough divergence from Our Lady’s request to invalidate an otherwise genuine papal/episcopal consecration which publicly, solemnly and globally consecrates Russia to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart.

      March 19, 2022 at 8:37 pm
      • Santiago

        Will it really do any harm to consecrate both Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Our Lady? Ukraine needs all the help and protection available.

        March 19, 2022 at 9:23 pm
      • editor

        Santiago,

        If there’s one thing I’ve learnt in my long(ish!) life, it to know when I’ve lost the battle and so…

        I just cannot wait for next Friday’s consecration. I can’t wait to witness the conversion of Russia and the descent of peace worldwide, soon thereafter.

        I repeat: I just cannot wait!

        March 19, 2022 at 9:56 pm
      • Athanasius

        Editor

        I can’t wait either, for God knows we need some hope and holiness back in this world and this is the first chink of light we’ve seen for a very long time. Please God it will all be done in accordance with Our Lady’s request, Ukraine notwithstanding.

        March 19, 2022 at 10:12 pm
      • editor

        Athanasius,

        In your charity, you have missed my sarcasm!

        God does not change His mind. He is unchangeable. He has asked for the consecration of Russia and it doesn’t matter how many people – including the lovely Bishop Schneider – applaud Pope Francis for this latest consecration, the fact remains that whether in the form of the words; Russia and only Russia, or in the union with all the bishops of the world, whether they want to accept the “invitation” or not, this latest consecration does not comply with what was requested at Fatima and which Our Lord later (Rianjo, 1931) lamented had not been done.

        So, if I’m wrong it will very quickly become clear that I am wrong – Russia will be converted and a period of world peace will follow… so roll on next Friday!

        March 20, 2022 at 7:48 am
      • Athanasius

        Editor

        Well, Fr. Hennick seemed to be a little more optimistic in his sermon this morning saying that Kiev was once the capital of Russia. Like me, he seems to think that if the central and essential parts of this forthcoming act are in accordance with Our Lady’s request then the tacking on of Ukraine may not be serious enough to nullify it. Those main essentials are that Russia gets mentioned, that the word “consecration” is used in stead of “entrustment”, that the bishops join with the Pope and that the consecration is to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart. Any mention of Ukraine, assuming all these other essentials are met, will be incidental and relatively unimportant.

        March 20, 2022 at 12:44 pm
      • editor

        Athanasius,

        I didn’t interpret Father’s comments that way at all, this morning. He explained that he was being careful because he knows that there are mixed views about it, but I definitely got the feeling that he would much have preferred a straightforward consecration of Russia with all the bishops of the world ordered to participate, as well as, of course, the correct terms used to ensure it is a valid consecration.

        The fact that I was delighted with his remarks – understanding that he had to choose his words carefully given the strong feelings abroad on the subject, speaks for itself. I would have been less than pleased if he’d given the impression that this was “end of [consecration] discussion” !

        As I keep saying, though, we’ll soon know if God is pleased with this consecration, if the promises made by Our Lady are made manifest. Our priest this morning emphasised that fact, that if this is accepted in Heaven, we will see the conversation of Russia very soon.

        March 20, 2022 at 4:27 pm
      • Athanasius

        Editor

        I got the part where Father said he was chosing his words carefully but the important thing is he did not say that the mention of Ukraine, assuming all other conditions are met, would of itself nullify the act. He knows that Ukraine will certainly be named and yet he is still willing to participate on the day with a holy hour added after Mass for the Annunciation. I think we’re all a bit unsure about the mention of Ukraine but, as Father pointed out, Kiev was originally the capital of Russia and so we’ll have to wait and see. I remain optimistic.

        March 20, 2022 at 4:45 pm
      • editor

        Athanasius,

        Father, as you recall, was choosing his words carefully and although he did not say that the mention of Ukraine would not nullify the consecration, neither did he say that it wouldn’t nullify it. He was, I repeat, rightly choosing his words carefully, and it’s understandable since those who are desperate to believe that this is IT won’t tolerate being told that it just might not be IT! I think his commentary on the subject was nothing short of masterful.

        Just for the sake of accuracy, Father announced that there would be a participation in the church at 4pm (which is 5pm in Rome) for those of us who wish to attend – I will be attending and I am convinced that the inclusion of Ukraine is a huge mistake, so Father’s participation doesn’t equate with belief that this is IT (!) There will be a Holy Hour 5-6pm, i.e. before Mass. Which proves that I’m not the only one needing an ear-trumpet 😀

        March 20, 2022 at 4:55 pm
  • westminsterfly Reply

    I’m sure there will be those who will think if the whole world isn’t at peace and traditionally Catholic by March 26th, then the 2022 consecration wasn’t valid.
    I’ve always thought the 1984 consecration, although not performed correctly, at least won us some graces and bought us some time. On the May 13th following the March 25th 1984 consecration of the world by Pope John Paul II, there was that freak incident at the naval base in Severemorsk, Russia which caused a blaze that set the Russians back years in military terms. https://www.nytimes.com/1984/07/11/world/soviet-naval-blast-called-crippling.html Definitely no coincidence, in my view – especially bearing the date in mind (May 13th – Feast of Our Lady of Fatima).
    And when the bishops of Portugal consecrated Portugal at Our Lady’s express request through Sister Lucia, although masonry was crushed by a burgeoning and more resilient Catholicism, it didn’t happen overnight. Also even going back as far as Guadalupe – after the miracle of the tilma, the country didn’t become Catholic overnight, it took some years.
    Another point – IF the consecration is done correctly this time, part of Sr Lucia’s later messages from Our Lady is that after the consecration, the Pope has to publicly approve the reparatory devotion of the First Saturdays. I suspect if this is done, and better still sets a good example and does them publicly himself, the First Saturdays will become more widespread and better attended as a result, then I personally believe the conversion of Russia, and the restoration of Christendom, the Church and the world will happen sooner, but not overnight. Sister Lucia was most anxious that this Papal approval of the First Saturdays was done, so that suggests effort is needed after the consecration, and that Sr Lucia’s message from Our Lady must bear some relevant importance.

    March 20, 2022 at 10:11 am
    • editor Reply

      Whereas

      We’ve seen no improvement since the consecration of Scotland – this country has gone downhill all the way since! Not saying cause and (ill) effect – just sayin’!

      March 20, 2022 at 4:31 pm
      • westminsterfly

        Perhaps because insufficient effort was made by the laity – post consecration, by doing the First Saturdays, consecrating oneself to the Immaculate Heart with the outward sign of wearing the Brown Scapular, the daily Rosary, daily duty, etc, etc. But please don’t feel left out. England was consecrated as well (at least it might have been) see:- https://catholictruthscotland.com/2017/02/20/england-consecrated-to-our-lady and it’s probably in a worse state than Scotland. It shows that the consecrations of themselves must be backed up by sufficient prayer, penance and reparation from the people. I’ve been desperately trying to find the quote from Sr Lucia (but can’t) about some country (I can’t recall which) which was consecrated and Sr Lucia said words to the effect that the consecration had less effect because although people prayed, there wasn’t enough penance and true conversion of life. If I find it, I’ll post it.

        March 20, 2022 at 7:10 pm
  • westminsterfly Reply

    It seems even Our Lord doesn’t mind other nations – even the world being mentioned at the consecration – as long as Russia is specifically mentioned:- “Similarly, Our Lord told Sister Lucia on October 22, 1940: Pray for the Holy Father; Sacrifice yourself so that his heart will not succumb to the bitterness that oppresses him. The persecutions will increase; I will punish the nations with wars and famine: the persecution against My church will weigh heavily upon my Vicar on Earth. His Holiness will be able to shorten these times of tribulation if he fulfills My desire of consecrating the whole world, and of Russia in particular, to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.” https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/private-heavenly-apparitions-sister-lucia-fatima-1925-1952

    March 20, 2022 at 12:00 pm
  • westminsterfly Reply

    I keep thinking of when Sr Lucia said: “At another time, we went to the cave called Lapa do Cabeço. As soon as we got there, we prostrated on the ground, saying the prayers the Angel had taught us. After some time, Jacinta stood up and called to me: ‘Can’t you see all those highways and roads and fields full of people, who are crying with hunger and have nothing to eat (Ukrainian refugees)? And the Holy Father in a church praying before the Immaculate Heart of Mary (the Consecration)? And so many people praying with him? (clergy and laity?)’ Some days later, she asked me: ‘Can I say that I saw the Holy Father and all those people?’ ‘No. Don’t you see that that’s part of the secret? If you do, they’ll find out right away.’ ” (Comments in brackets mine)

    March 20, 2022 at 1:35 pm
    • Margaret Mary Reply

      Westminster Fly,

      I’m getting confused with all these additional claims and visions. Is this vision different again from the one where the children saw “a bishop in white, we thought it was the Holy Father” and soldiers, bows and arrows etc. Surely that has to happen before the Consecration of Russia?

      The linking everything with Ukraine troubles me. Why Ukrainian refugees and not refugees from Afghanistan, Syria or (the forgotten war) Yemen. Are they not important, too?

      March 20, 2022 at 4:42 pm
      • westminsterfly

        Margaret Mary
        Most of the additional claims and visions Sr Lucia had after the main Fatima events are listed here:- https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/private-heavenly-apparitions-sister-lucia-fatima-1925-1952

        It was me that linked St Jacinta’s vision with Ukrainian refugees as I made clear in my comment (I said bracketed comments were mine). It was not my intention to denigrate the plight of other genuine refugees, I was talking in the context of the comment I’d already made linking the Third Secret with Fatima, Russia and Ukraine

        March 20, 2022 at 5:55 pm
      • Margaret Mary

        Westminster Fly,

        I’ve been thinking about your comments re. Ukrainian refugees, but this seems all too political or humanitarian to me. I think of Fatima differently, as being about the conversion to the Catholic faith of Russia, mainly and world peace for a while, not permanently as Fr Gruner would say.

        But I still haven’t got an answer to my question about the vision where the children saw “a bishop in white, we thought it was the Holy Father” and soldiers, bows and arrows etc. Surely that has to happen before the Consecration of Russia?

        March 23, 2022 at 10:30 am
  • westminsterfly Reply

    I wrote this email earlier but it went missing – here goes again. I’ll try and remember what I wrote:

    I’m quite sure that if the whole world isn’t at peace and traditionally Catholic by March 26th, then there will always be those that think the consecration wasn’t valid.

    I’ve always thought the 1984 consecration, although not performed correctly, won us some graces and bought us some time. After the March 25th 1984 consecration of the world by Pope John Paul II, on the following May 13th (feast of Our Lady of Fatima) there was a freak incident at Severomorsk naval base, Russia, https://www.nytimes.com/1984/07/11/world/soviet-naval-blast-called-crippling.html which caused a blaze that set the Russians back years in military terms. Definitely no coincidence.

    And when the bishops of Portugal consecrated Portugal at Our Lady’s express request through Sister Lucia, although freemasonry was crushed by a burgeoning Catholicism, it didn’t happen overnight. Also even going back as far as Guadalupe – after the miracle of the tilma, the country didn’t become Christian overnight, it took some years.

    Also, we need to remember that Sister Lucia has told the Holy Father that after the consecration is done, then He has to publicly approve the reparatory devotion of the First Saturday. This suggests that there is further work to do, before everything is restored.

    March 20, 2022 at 1:48 pm
    • Margaret Mary Reply

      Westminster Fly,

      It may not happen on March 26th but it must happen soon – otherwise, it all makes no sense.

      March 20, 2022 at 4:42 pm
    • Athanasius Reply

      Westminsterfly

      Given the present state of the world and the very precarious situation in Ukraine, not to mention a brutal Communist world power called China and the Satanic NWO oligarchs of Davos, I suspect that if the consecration is done correctly the intervention of heaven will be very swift indeed. What happened in individual nations after their consecration (I’m thinking Portugal and Spain) was a relatively speedy transformation by grace, but the current world situation is much, much worse than what was happening in those countries prior to consecration and so I think the response of heaven will be of a far quicker nature and of a magnitude never before witnessed in the world. It will be a clearly divine intervention and it will stop the wicked dead in their tracks.

      March 20, 2022 at 8:36 pm
      • westminsterfly

        Athanasius,
        Let’s hope and pray so.

        March 20, 2022 at 9:01 pm
  • Laura Reply

    This video is on the Fatima Centre website, but the interviewer talks too much, not an uncommon thing. I would have liked to have heard more of Father Clovis’s opinion.

    March 20, 2022 at 6:13 pm
    • editor Reply

      Laura

      I agree – the very nice presenter did what so many interviewers do, they don’t let the person being interviewed speak. That’s a pity. I would have liked to have heard Father Clovis’ thoughts about Friday.

      Anyway, I came across this video of the final interview of Sister Lucia with Father Fuentes. It’s helpful to have it on video – although the tune in the background is distracting. I will never understand why people have to play music in such videos. There seems to be a terror of silence or at least a fear of the absence of noise!

      March 20, 2022 at 10:28 pm
  • gabriel syme Reply

    If you look at this video from Sunday, Francis is talking about the consecration.

    However, the translation (this is the second version I have seen), describes it as a consecration of “humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine”.

    (The first video I saw said the same, except it said “all humanity, especially…….”).

    I did not think the mention of Ukraine was an issue (as stated) but it could be, if the consecration is fundamentally aimed at “humanity” rather than Russia/Ukraine specifically.

    March 21, 2022 at 8:58 am
    • westminsterfly Reply

      Gabriel Syme
      Not necessarily – as I said in my previous comment:

      It seems even Our Lord doesn’t mind other nations – even the world being mentioned at the consecration – as long as Russia is specifically mentioned:- “Similarly, Our Lord told Sister Lucia on October 22, 1940: Pray for the Holy Father; Sacrifice yourself so that his heart will not succumb to the bitterness that oppresses him. The persecutions will increase; I will punish the nations with wars and famine: the persecution against My church will weigh heavily upon my Vicar on Earth. His Holiness will be able to shorten these times of tribulation if he fulfills My desire of consecrating the whole world, and of Russia in particular, to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.” https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/private-heavenly-apparitions-sister-lucia-fatima-1925-1952

      It seems that the only vital thing is Consecrating Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary by name. (JPII didn’t in 1984. He just said ‘the world’)

      March 21, 2022 at 9:05 am
      • editor

        WF,

        This has to be my final word on this today as I’m swamped…

        Regarding 1940 quote. I do not believe that God has changed the Fatima message by suggesting that other nations may be included – that quote does not support that thesis. The quote you give does not suggest that: “My desire of consecrating the world, and of Russia in particular, leaves the original request of Our Lady for the consecration of Russia intact. Especially, when you recall that Sr Lucia said that Our Lady had affirmed that the 1984 consecration of the world did not fulfil the requirement of the Consecration of Russia – the ONLY nation specifically mentioned by Our Lady at Fatima.

        There is a difference between the world and Russia – Russia was the first country to become publicly atheistic, an error which has now spread across the globe. Thus, Russia needs to be returned to God. That, it seems to me, is the important fact here.

        Maybe – in my haste, yet again – I’m misunderstanding your meaning but I would like to think we could all agree that it would be much simpler and more reassuring if the Pope would just do what he was blankety blank told and consecrate Russia by name, as requested at Fatima.

        March 21, 2022 at 9:19 am
  • Michael Reply

    Dear Editor

    Hello everyone

    I have just seen a breaking story on Lifesitenews Catholic Edition in which it stipulates that Pope Francis will now include ‘all of humanity’ as part of Friday’s consecration ceremony.

    Why oh why can we never have a Pope who will act in accordance with the clear precise and concise mandate that Heaven wishes.

    Sadly, our present situation within the Church, the Apostasy, the Moral relativism and the world at large will continue to decline and deteriorate unabated.

    Every blessing

    Michael 🙏

    March 21, 2022 at 8:26 pm
    • editor Reply

      Michael,

      Thank you for this update. However, I imagine that those who see no problem with the inclusion of Ukraine, won’t see any problem with the inclusion of “all of humanity”.

      How can God mind that? In the words of one visitor a few days ago, isn’t it a good thing to consecrate all of humanity to the Immaculate Heart?

      March 21, 2022 at 8:35 pm
  • Michael 🙏 Reply

    Dear Editor

    In addendum the Vatican correspondent Edward Pentin has announced that Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI will participate in the consecration either publicly or privately? This detail will be confirmed in due course.

    I was struck by this and it recalled to mind the passage regarding Annas and Ciaphas in Johns Gospel conspiring against our Blessed Saviour.

    Now we have two Popes about to participate in something which Heaven has requested since 1917? I wonder!

    Is this us now entering into the Lords Passion as part of the Mystical Body of Christ.

    The parallels are interesting and open to scrutiny and further reflection. It is certainly an interesting development under these evolving circumstances (sounds rather Modernist)

    Every blessing

    Michael 🙏

    March 21, 2022 at 11:34 pm
    • editor Reply

      Michael,

      So what do we have here: we have not one, but two popes consecrating Russia and Ukraine, when Our Lady asked for “the Holy Father/Pope” to consecrate Russia. We have the (two) popes including, not just Ukraine, but “all of humanity” in the consecration prayer. We have the bishops of the world “invited” to participate, when, according to Frere Michel quoting a letter from Sr Lucia, the bishops were to be “ordered” to participate…
      https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/pope-francis-courting-catastrophe-by-fudging-wording-on-fatima-consecration/?utm_source=featured&utm_campaign=usa

      Let’s hope that the optimists here and abroad are right, and that God is in an indulgent mood on Friday 😀 I have to clarify, of course, that we don’t really have two popes – one of them, Benedict XVI, is dressed in the papal white, but only Francis is the pope. To the world, however, it will look like two popes are present and participating. Let’s pray that there are voices in the background urging Francis to drop everything but what was requested by Our Lady, and, albeit last minute order the bishops of the world to get into their cathedrals on Friday to unite themselves to the Pope to achieve this urgently required consecration.

      March 22, 2022 at 8:36 am
      • Athanasius

        Editor

        The former Pope Benedict XVI will not be taking part publicly in this act of consecration, he will unite with the Pope in prayer from his private retreat. That’s good news on two fronts: 1. there will be no spectacle of two bishops in white to confuse the world. 2. Ratzinger carries a lot of weight with the episcopate, so his joining the Pope in this consecration will encourage others.

        As regards the formula Francis plans to use, once we cut through all the Modernist stuff, which is incidental, except for the error that this world is “our common home” when the Church has always taught that it’s our common exile (heaven being our home), the essentials of what Our Lady requested are met. Russia is mentioned as being “especially” consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. That Ukraine gets the same treatment is again of little importance.

        I agree with Bishop Schneider on this. If the bishops, or at least a sizeable number of them, unite with Pope Francis in this public and solemn act, regardless of the Modernist frills surround the essentials, I believe it will constitute a fulfilment of Our Lady’s request. No Pope has ever come this close before. As for the former Pope Benedict, well, he would be expected to participate anyway as a Cardinal of the Church. Thank God he’s doing so privately.

        March 22, 2022 at 10:23 pm
      • editor

        Athanasius,

        I hope you are right – I will be delighted if this consecration is accepted by God. Thankfully, as we have already agreed, if so, Our Lady’s promises of the conversion of Russia to the Faith and a period of world peace will follow swiftly – and that is the main thing. All that matters is that God’s will is fulfilled and that the world – especially Russia – benefits spiritually in a wholly manifest way. And so, this is one of those occasions when I will be more than pleased to be proven wrong.

        March 22, 2022 at 11:01 pm
  • Michael 🙏 Reply

    Amen amen 🙏

    March 22, 2022 at 11:50 am
  • Andrew Reply

    Apparently the consecration brings out some anger among certain Orthodox heretics. See the link below:

    http://thesaker.is/what-is-bergoglio-up-to/

    Excerpt: “to fully understand how evil and hypocritical all this business about “consecrating” Russia to something by the Latins, you need to be aware of two things: the Ukraine is the creation of the Papacy and its goal has always been the destruction of Russia and the so-called “Marian apparitions” are just one of the many hoaxes, falsifications, forgeries and outright satanic manifestations of the typical Latin spiritual delusions.”

    March 22, 2022 at 4:09 pm
    • editor Reply

      Andrew, what a horrible bunch, dreadful website, but even so, some of the truth gets through – such as the reference to the fact that when the Fatima apparitions took place the revolution in Russia was in the “initial” stages… so – hopefully – some, at least of their readers will realise that the small, illiterate children could not have known about the intricacies of Russian politics!

      Anyway, here’s a clip, published today, about Friday’s consecration – but it makes no mention of the inclusion of “humanity” …

      March 22, 2022 at 5:54 pm
      • Andrew

        I agree it was dreadful to read. You can almost feel the demonic fear they have of the Immaculate Heart. When even the enemy is so openly against this, and with such vitriol, you’d think it will have some effect.

        March 22, 2022 at 7:42 pm
  • Andrew Reply

    Here it is.

    https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2022/03/text-of-act-of-consecration-of-russia.html#more

    “Therefore, Mother of God and our Mother, to your Immaculate Heart we solemnly entrust and consecrate ourselves, the Church, and all humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine.”

    March 22, 2022 at 7:54 pm
    • editor Reply

      Andrew,

      I’ve just read that act of consecration – what do you think of it?

      March 22, 2022 at 8:29 pm
      • Andrew

        I think the short formula above is adequate. I could be wrong though! The rest of the prayer does have the typical Modernist gobbledygook.

        I don’t see where our Lady said that it had to be a particular formula. Nor do I see how including other nations or all of humanity would negate it somehow. I see people online saying that it will not fulfill the conditions because of the inclusion of Ukraine. However, what I’d rather read is a traditionalist theologian’s statement that this formula will not suffice, using the principles of proper prayers.

        If someone in mortal sin were dying, and all they thought in their head was “mercy” with all the love of God they had in their heart, would God forgive them immediately? Of course.

        So why is this upcoming consecration inadequate?

        I think if Pope Francis (of all popes!) accomplishes this great act, then it will certainly astonish traditionalists and be quite unexpected for them, especially if he consecrates successfully with a slightly ambiguous prayer. However, it would, I think, be within the realm of God’s ‘sense of humor’, if you know what I mean.

        March 22, 2022 at 9:06 pm
  • Angela Chirico Reply

    Maybe the inclusion of Ukraine in the consecration of Russia is to not leave out Russian occupied areas in Ukraine? Maybe the Pope doesn’t want to leave out the the Russians in Ukraine! God’s love transcends all of our limited understanding of interpretations. Would He really punish anyone for our finite human misunderstanding? Try not to get caught up in fear over such matters. Place all of this into the loving hands our Father.

    March 22, 2022 at 8:29 pm
    • editor Reply

      Angela,

      There are many examples in Sacred Scripture when God punished people for not obeying His instructions precisely.

      Still, this may be the exception – we will very soon find out!

      March 22, 2022 at 11:10 pm
      • Angela C.

        Dear Editor,

        Thank you for your reply. I appreciate your optimism. I hope you have not missed the part of Sacred Scripture where Jesus came to fulfill the law and free us from punishment. Jesus is the ultimate sacrifice for our sins. While we are still called to do our best to follow the law, His commands, He said that love, not the law is what he seeks from his followers. He seeks our effort and love, not perfection.

        Praying for peace and discernment,

        Angela

        March 23, 2022 at 12:33 am
      • editor

        Angela,

        Our Lord did NOT say “love not law”. He said, in fact, “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments”. Think about it: If you love your neighbour, you won’t steal either his wallet or his wife.

        As for “He seeks our effort and love, not perfection” – well how does that square with “Be ye perfect, as your Heavenly Father is perfect.” ?

        The great saints teach us to order our lives so that we are always resigned to the will of God. In the words of the old song, we must be prepared to accept that “whatever will be, will be…” As long we do our duty as best we can, and leave the rest to God, that’s all that is required of us. As St Ignatius taught, we should work as if everything depends on us, and pray as if everything depends on God. Therein lies peace of soul.

        I’ve argued the case for a simple consecration of Russia, in union with all the bishops of the world, as I’ve been arguing for many years now. I’ve not changed. Others, even one highly respected bishop, have argued to take account of the changes introduced by Pope Francis. Their arguments do have some force and they have been communicated here with apparently unbreakable confidence. I accept that and I acknowledge the good will of bloggers who hold that view. I cannot personally accept these arguments; I doubt that this forthcoming consecration will be valid, but then I’m not infallible. And as I’ve already said, I will be more than happy to be proven wrong. No question.

        We’ll soon find out – very soon now, with Friday only a couple of days away. It would be truly wonderful if Russia were to be converted to the Faith and a period of world peace were to begin, at which time I will confess my error openly, and enjoy the bliss of no longer having to work and pray for that Russian Consecration. Roll on!

        March 23, 2022 at 10:00 am
  • RCAVictor Reply

    I think the fudged wording of this consecration is further proof of the Freemasonic boast made even before John XXIII was elected:

    “The Vatican is in our hands.”

    (Recorded in a book named Nikita Roncalli)

    However, it also indicates that the worshippers of Lucifer are afraid of this happening as requested, as they know full well what will transpire as a result.

    March 22, 2022 at 8:55 pm
    • editor Reply

      RCA Victor,

      Reading that long-winded act of consecration reminds me of the awful bidding prayers at the New Mass, where God is either instructed what to do, or we remind ourselves of our various shortcomings! Applying the definition of prayer as “raising the mind and heart to God”, whatever else they were, they were not prayers!

      March 22, 2022 at 11:13 pm
  • Athanasius Reply

    In a recent Q&A in the matter of the forthcoming consecration, Bishop Schneider provided some guidelines that may help us navigate through the formula of Pope Francis’s prayer, released today by the Vatican. I found the following section particularly useful:

    Question. ‘Some have argued that, in order to respond faithfully to Our Lady’s request, the Pope must “order” and not only “invite” the world’s bishops to join him in consecrating Russia to the Immaculate Heart. How would you respond to this concern? What, in your view, are the essential elements that need to be included in the consecration, and what is not essential?’

    Bishop Schneider: “In Our Lady’s request, one must distinguish essential from secondary elements. The essential elements, in my opinion, are: the consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary (and not just to the “Mother of God” or the “Blessed Virgin Mary”); the explicit mention of Russia (the additional mention of another nation close to Russia, or of all nations of the world, will not invalidate the consecration since the essential element of “Russia” is included); that it be made in union with all the bishops (this union does not have to include one hundred percent of the bishops quantitatively speaking, but the entire episcopate in a moral sense. In a similar sense, were the pope, in an ecumenical council, to join a doctrinally sound minority and reject a heterodox majority, the doctrine or dogma promulgated would be the teaching of the entire Church, even though it was proclaimed by the pope together with the minor part of the episcopate). The manner whereby the Pope summons the bishops to participate in the act of the consecration (whether by a formal invitation or by an explicit order) is secondary in my view.

    March 22, 2022 at 11:00 pm
    • editor Reply

      Athanasius,

      Thank you for that – presumably the consecration of “humanity” with the additions of Ukraine and Russia will be acceptable, and possibly other additions before Friday, as long as Russia is named, so I can only repeat my acceptance of the outcome from Friday’s consecration; if this is pleasing to God, accepted as a valid response to the original request, then that will become manifest, both through the conversion of Russia to the Faith and through the arrival of the promised period of world peace, swiftly. As I said in another comment a few moments ago, this will, then, be one of those occasions when I will be delighted to be proven wrong.

      March 22, 2022 at 11:08 pm
      • Josephine

        Editor,

        I am still not convinced. I found this reference to the matter of the bishops joining in on the Fatima Center website. It makes more sense to me than “inviting” them and leaving it open.

        “[1] In inviting the bishops and not commanding them to participate, Pope Francis leaves open the possibility that some bishops will not accept the invitation. Father Gruner long held that, to make it a sure thing, the Pope who wanted to do the Consecration requested by Our Lady of Fatima should command the bishops[1] to participate and accompany this command with the canonical penalty of loss of episcopal office for failing to do so. In that way, those who failed to consecrate Russia would no longer be bishops for that reason and all the Catholic bishops of the world would have consecrated Russia. Unfortunately, such an act from Francis is highly unlikely in the post-Vatican II environment of ecclesial collegiality and dialogue. ”
        https://fatima.org/news-views/in-union-with-all-the-bishops/?msclkid=e3feb84caa3611ecb6262fdbb8217ce2

        They’re flexible about the inclusion of Ukraine but not about the bishops. I copied the endnotes:

        [1] “The moment has come in which God asks of the Holy Father to make, and to order that in union with him and at the same time, all the bishops of the world make, the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, promising to convert it because of this day of prayer and worldwide reparation.” (Our Lady of Fatima to Sister Lucia, June 13, 1929; cited in Frère Michel de la Sainte Trinité, The Whole Truth About Fatima, Vol. II: The Secret and the Church, (Buffalo, Immaculate Heart Publications, 1989), p. 555.)

        [2] Regarding the participation of the bishops, Sister Lucia stated: “So that the bishops of the world be united to the Pope in this Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, the Pope must either convoke all the bishops to Rome, or to another place – to Tuy for example – or else order the bishops of the entire world to organize, each in his own cathedral, a solemn and public ceremony of Reparation and of Consecration of Russia to the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary.” [Pierre Caillon, La Consecration de la Russie aux Tres Saints Coeurs de Jesus et de Marie, ed. Tequi 1983, p. 31.]

        I was a bit surprised to see them flexible about Ukraine being included but they don’t mention the adding of “all humanity”. It would just be so much simpler if the Pope would just have done what he is told!

        March 22, 2022 at 11:29 pm
      • editor

        Josephine,

        I’ve been searching for the mention of “ordering” the bishops – including, first and foremost, at the Fatima Center website – and not been able to find it, so thank you for that.

        As for the rest – let’s leave it all in God’s hands now.

        March 23, 2022 at 12:14 pm
      • westminsterfly

        From the Fatima Centre website:- “Then Our Lady said to me: ‘The moment has come in which God asks the Holy Father to make, in union with all the bishops of the world, the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, promising to save it by this means. So numerous are the souls which the justice of God condemns for sins committed against Me, that I come to ask for reparation. Sacrifice yourself for this intention and pray.’ I rendered an account of this to my confessor, who ordered me to write down what Our Lord willed to be done” https://fatima.org/the-apparition-at-tuy-1929 No mention of ‘ordering’ there,

        March 23, 2022 at 1:49 pm
      • Josephine

        Westminster Fly,

        But there is also the use of “order”.

        “In her memoirs Sr. Lucia wrote:

        “Later on, by means of an interior communication, Our Lord said to me, complaining: ‘They did not want to heed My request! Like the King of France they will repent and do it, but it will be late. Russia will have already spread its errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecutions of the Church: the Holy Father will have much to suffer.’”

        Later in 1930, Sr. Lucia wrote further on the meaning of the apparition and Our Lord’s requests: “The good Lord promises to end the persecution in Russia, if the Holy Father will himself make a solemn act of reparation and consecration of Russia to the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary, as well as order all the bishops of the Catholic world to do the same. The Holy Father must then promise that upon the ending of this persecution he will approve and recommend the practice of the reparatory devotion already described.”
        https://consecrationrussia.org/2017/08/14/why-consecration-of-russia/#:~:text=Later%20in%201930%2C%20Sr.%20Lucia%20wrote%20further%20on,of%20the%20Catholic%20world%20to%20do%20the%20same.?msclkid=040b5e59aab611ec8e779d4376d2c07d

        Could that be the cause of the mix-up, that Sr Lucia spoke in 1930 about “ordering” the bishops, after she’d spoken in 1929? It might not have seemed important at the time because she wouldn’t have imagined any bishop would have to be ordered. I don’t know, just wondering.

        March 23, 2022 at 2:38 pm
  • westminsterfly Reply

    From Sister Lucia’s official memoirs “Our Lady then said to me: “The moment has come in which God asks the Holy Father, in union with all the Bishops of the world, to make the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, promising to save it by this means. There are so many souls whom the Justice of God condemns for
    sins committed against me, that I have come to ask reparation: sacrifice yourself for this intention and pray.”
    I gave an account of this to the confessor, who ordered me to write down what Our Lady wanted done.” Again, no mention of ‘ordering’.

    March 23, 2022 at 1:58 pm
    • Josephine Reply

      Westminster Fly,

      But there is also the use of “order”.

      “In her memoirs Sr. Lucia wrote:

      “Later on, by means of an interior communication, Our Lord said to me, complaining: ‘They did not want to heed My request! Like the King of France they will repent and do it, but it will be late. Russia will have already spread its errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecutions of the Church: the Holy Father will have much to suffer.’”

      Later in 1930, Sr. Lucia wrote further on the meaning of the apparition and Our Lord’s requests: “The good Lord promises to end the persecution in Russia, if the Holy Father will himself make a solemn act of reparation and consecration of Russia to the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary, as well as order all the bishops of the Catholic world to do the same. The Holy Father must then promise that upon the ending of this persecution he will approve and recommend the practice of the reparatory devotion already described.”
      https://consecrationrussia.org/2017/08/14/why-consecration-of-russia/#:~:text=Later%20in%201930%2C%20Sr.%20Lucia%20wrote%20further%20on,of%20the%20Catholic%20world%20to%20do%20the%20same.?msclkid=040b5e59aab611ec8e779d4376d2c07d

      Could that be the cause of the mix-up, that Sr Lucia spoke in 1930 about “ordering” the bishops, after she’d spoken in 1929? It might not have seemed important at the time because she wouldn’t have imagined any bishop would have to be ordered. I don’t know, just wondering.

      March 23, 2022 at 2:38 pm
      • westminsterfly

        Josephine,
        I simply don’t know. It is confusing why the term ‘order’ is used in one place and not in another. Another quote you mentioned above from Sr Lucia in Frere Michel’s book says “The good Lord promises to end the persecution in Russia, if the Holy Father will himself make a solemn act of reparation and consecration of Russia to the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary, as well as ordering all the bishops of the Catholic world to do the same.” I’ve never seen that anywhere else. Everywhere else just says Consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. I can’t explain these apparent discrepancies.

        March 23, 2022 at 3:17 pm
      • Josephine

        Westminster Fly,

        I agree – it’s hard to explain these differences. Sr Lucy was an ordinary human being, a nun, so unless she was quoting Our Lady, she could maybe have slipped up or said the same thing differently, without realising it. As editor says, we can only leave it in God’s hands now.

        March 23, 2022 at 3:45 pm
      • Athanasius

        Westminsterfly & Josephine

        These differences in what Sister Lucy said concerning the consecration of Russia are explained by Bishop Schneider, who simply points out that she was not infallible. I don’t think it really matters whether the Pope orders or invites the bishops to join him in this act of consecration because any who have a mind to disobey will disobey regardless. Heaven will accept the consecration from the Pope in union with however many bishops unite in it at his invitation, even if it’s a relatively small number. This is what Bishop Schneider seems to think and I agree.

        March 23, 2022 at 6:23 pm
      • Michaela

        Athanasius,

        Bishop Schneider isn’t infallible either, LOL! We’ll see what happens on Friday but I’ll be amazed if God will bless this event. That’s all I’ll say about it.

        March 23, 2022 at 6:31 pm
      • Athanasius

        Michaela

        No, Bishop Schneider is not infallible, as you rightly observe, but he is, I would argue, more learned and holy than we are. I bow on this occasion to his greater wisdom because it makes perfect supernatural sense and fixes on the essentials rather than secondary matters.

        March 23, 2022 at 11:39 pm
      • Michaela

        Athanasius,

        We don’t know whether Bishop Schneider is holy or not but we do know that Sister Lucia’s cause for canonisation has been opened. I’m really surprised that you would take Bishop Schneider’s words over Sr Lucia’s. I’m actually not sure about Bishop Schneider any more, because I think he’s been imprudent to speak as if there was no doubt at all about Friday’s consecration. I think that’s very far from being the case, and it would have been more prudent if he had been less definite in what he said and just said wait and see.

        I was thinking, also, about the two different quotes above, regarding the participation of the bishops, the one in 1929 when Sr Lucy didn’t use the word “order” and then 1930, when she did use it. It made me think of the occasion when the three seers were told by Our Lady that God didn’t want them to wear the rope they wore for penance, at night, just during the day. That suggests to me that they had done something they thought would please God, but then had to adjust their behaviour when God made it clearer what he wanted of them, regarding this penance. I connect that to the two different statements from Sr Lucy about the bishops. She didn’t use the word “order” in 1929, but in 1930 she did, and that may have been the result of a movement of grace. She couldn’t have known that the bishops in our time would be defiant and unbelieving about Fatima, but God knew, and perhaps gave that movement of grace to Sr Lucy so that she would remember to use that word (“order”) and so it would come down to us today. That’s just my musings on the matter, but it could be. We know God doesn’t change his mind, as editor has pointed out, but he might make us (or the seers) change theirs, or add something they forgot, if need be.

        You keep speaking about the essentials rather than secondary matters as if Our Lady’s request for all the bishops of the world in union with the pope (doing the consecration) was a secondary matter. I just don’t believe that. Our Lady uses words carefully and doesn’t ask for unnecessary things “secondary matters”. Everything she asked for is essential. I can’t see it any other way.

        March 24, 2022 at 1:58 am
      • editor

        Michaela,

        You make some very good points in your latest thoughtful post, but since we only have one more day to wait for the Humanity/Ukraine/Russia consecration, I suggest (yet again!) that we leave this matter in God’s hands and prepare ourselves interiorly to accept whatever comes, as a result.

        Neither Athanasius, nor anybody else who believes that this consecration complies with Our Lady’s request for the Consecration of Russia is going to change his/her mind now, just as I (and others) who think the opposite, are not going to change our minds now, based on all the arguments put forth here on both sides. Therefore, there’s no point in continuing to make the same points.

        So, thank you again for your thoughts on this, but I think our focus now has to be on praying for the fulfilment of God’s will – not on winning the argument 😀

        March 24, 2022 at 10:28 am
  • Michaela Reply

    I forgot to say one more thing. Reading all the debates about this, I’m wondering how the people will react, those who feel strongly that it will be acceptable to God on Friday. They are not going to take it well if it turns out not to be acceptable to God. Some people on here have said really quite shocking things, which amount to “God would not be such a nit-picker” but what if it turns out he actually is a “nit-picker” and expects the consecration to be done as requested, with all the bishops of the world in union with the Pope consecrating Russia, with no mention of any other country or “humanity”. I think the devil is having a field day with this.

    March 23, 2022 at 6:37 pm
    • editor Reply

      Michaela,

      We’re all infallible, so it’s best to leave this matter now, and see what happens (or doesn’t happen!) on Friday.

      Several hours later… it dawned on me that I should have written that we’re NONE of us infallible! Took a while, but I got there in the end. 😀

      It’s a huge Feast on Friday, 25 March, the Annunciation, and we’ll be celebrating that beautiful Feast on the day, so let’s leave the matter of the consecration of Ukraine and Russia to Divine Providence now, and pray that all Catholics will accept the reality of the situation – whatever that happens to be – after the event.

      March 23, 2022 at 6:52 pm
  • Laura Reply

    I’ve just watched this interview with the priest at the Fatima Center – he is hopeful but sceptical about this consecration.

    March 24, 2022 at 11:55 am
    • Nicky Reply

      That priest is really summing up everything that’s been said on this blog – he is showing discretion, being careful not to make assumptions either way. I wonder if he is related to the interviewer, since they have the same surname. Not that that has anything to do with the price of bread LOL!

      March 24, 2022 at 5:42 pm
      • editor

        Nicky,

        Yes, Father was discreet and I suppose I need to be discreet now, too, since I’ve just learned that our very own Athanasius has managed, single-handedly, to achieve a solution to our parking problem at the SSPX church in Renfrew Street, after years of struggling to get parked there; I don’t have permission to divulge the details but, suffice to say, Athanasius has succeeded, brilliantly, in solving this problem which has dogged us for years, and so, it is my considered opinion that…

        Athanasius should be appointed to pray the Act of Consecration tomorrow, in Rome! We’ll chip in to pay for his fare but, trust me, if we want this done properly, that’s the solution.

        End of debate and disagreement… I think 😀

        March 24, 2022 at 6:25 pm
  • Jeremiah Alphonsus Reply

    Yesterday’s “consecration” was a complete farce. As such, I won’t be at all surprised to see Vatican City soon reduced to dust…and much more doom to follow.

    The first requirement for the actual consecration is this: an actual pope. Fake pope = fake consecration, no matter if the words he speaks are perfect or not.

    Popes must be Catholic. But as a pertinacious and public heretic—indeed the most public heretic in the history of the world—Francis has abundantly proven that he’s not Catholic. Indeed he’s shown that he hates actual Catholicism with the white-hot hatred of a thousand burning suns. Hence, for example, he seeks to completely obliterate the actual (“traditional”) Roman Rite. Therefore, because Francis isn’t actually Catholic (recall that baptism is a necessary but insufficient criterion of actual Catholicism; one must also hold the actual Catholic faith), he can’t possibly be an actual pope. One cannot be the head of a body of which one is not a member.

    Recognizing this is a matter of logic, of seeing objective reality, not of legal authority. One need possess no legal authority whatsoever to simply recognize reality. One need not be a traffic judge to recognize a speeder. One need be a traffic judge only to convict the speeder. But the factual reality of speeding was pre-existent to the legal conviction. As for Francis, any future legal judgment will simply be an affirmation of the present reality, which is this: assuming he ever actually held the papacy at all, he’s long since ipso facto fallen from office because of his pertinacious and manifest heresy spitting in our faces daily.

    Much has been spoken of the dangers of not following a true pope. It’s time to speak of the dangers of following a false pope. We must, at last, pull our heads out of the sand. We must finally get real, really real, no matter how uncomfortable the demonic really real reality of Francis really is.

    Editor: I don’t usually allow any discussion on the “Francis is not the pope” theory, but I’m publishing this in order to point you – and others – to key information on the subject. This conversation, however, stops here. No further comments on the theory that Francis, worst pope ever in recent times, if not the entire history of the Church, is not a “true” pope. It’s easy to get angry with Francis, but few are similarly angry with Benedict who was really no better – just more subtle, as the writer at the following link points out. First, though, a relevant extract from his article, with which I will leave you…

    Quote…

    Shortly before his death in the year 1226, none other than St. Francis of Assisi gathered together his spiritual children and prophesied a time of tribulation in the Church, during which a man, non-canonically elected, is raised to the pontificate, and who, by his cunning, endeavours to lead many into error. The following prophecy is taken from the book Works of the Seraphic Father St. St. Francis of Assisi, published in the year 1882:

    “The time is fast approaching in which there will be great trials and afflictions; perplexities and dissensions, both spiritual and temporal, will abound; the charity of many will grow cold, and the malice of the wicked will increase. The devils will have unusual power, the immaculate purity of our Order, and of others, will be so much obscured that there will be very few Christians who will obey the true Sovereign Pontiff and the Roman Church with loyal hearts and perfect charity. At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavor to draw many into error and death. Then scandals will be multiplied … there will be such diversity of opinions and schisms among the people, the religious and the clergy, that, except those days were shortened, according to the words of the Gospel, even the elect would be led into error, were they not specially guided, amid such great confusion, by the immense mercy of God. … Those who are found faithful will receive the crown of life; … choosing to obey God rather than man, they will fear nothing, and they will prefer to perish rather than consent to falsehood and perfidy. Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor, but a destroyer.”[29]

    Notice that nowhere is it even hinted at [by St Francis] that the “uncanonically elected” man who “is raised to the Pontificate,” who would “endeavour to draw many into error and death,” is an Antipope. On the contrary, St. Francis presents him as the legitimate Pope who was sent, no doubt as a punishment for sin and a trial for the faithful, by Jesus Christ himself. [Emphases added].

    Peaceful and Universal Acceptance of a Pope

    This brings us to the next question: Is there any way to know, with certitude, whether a man who is elected Pope is, in fact, a true and legitimate Pope? As we extensively address in our book True or False Pope?, it is the common doctrine of the Church that the peaceful and universal acceptance of a Pope provides infallible certitude of his legitimacy. It also, quite logically, provides infallible certitude that all of the necessary conditions (both positive and negative) for him being validly elected were met. The legitimacy of a Pope, who has been accepted as such by the Church, falls into the category of a dogmatic fact, which is a secondary object of the Church’s infallibility. Fr. Sylvester Berry explains:

    “The extent of infallibility refers to the truths that may be defined by the Church with infallible authority. Some truths are directly subject to the infallible authority of the Church by their very nature [Revealed truths]; others only indirectly because of their connection with the former. The one set of truths constitutes the primary, the other the secondary extent of infallibility.” (…) This secondary or indirect extent of infallibility includes especially (a) theological conclusions, (b) truths of the natural order, (c) dogmatic facts, and (d) general disciplinary matters (…)
    http://www.trueorfalsepope.com/p/is-francis-or-benedict-true-pope.html?msclkid=6231d9e3ad0611eca0490fbf79185098

    March 26, 2022 at 12:53 pm
  • Josephine Reply

    I’ve been watching this video from the Fatima Centre. I’m quite surprised at Christopher Ferrara who is a lawyer, dismissing the pope inviting the bishops given the danger that not all bishops will participate. He says, more or less that Our Lady won’t mind that, something which is said a lot by those anxious to believe in this consecration. He’s a lawyer, though, so you’d think he’d know better. Would he dismiss weak evidence saying the judge won’t mind if it’s not exactly what is usually required in court? I doubt it, so that was a surprise to me. It’s an interesting conversation, though.

    March 26, 2022 at 4:03 pm
    • Jeremiah Alphonsus Reply

      Josephine, I also watched that video, and am also an attorney like Ferrara and McCall. It’s very sad seeing them follow the SSPX trajectory of going increasingly soft and emotional in spite of all of the evidence spitting in our faces daily.

      March 26, 2022 at 5:42 pm
    • RCAVictor Reply

      Josephine,

      So far, the only thing I’ve noticed since the Consecration (??) took place is that the price of gas went down about 10 cents. Golly gee whiz!

      As for C. Ferrara & Co., I reached a point several years ago (ever since I left the SSPX, in fact) where I no longer pay attention to the trad talking heads, no matter how knowledgeable they are. That includes Ferrara, Catholic Family News, the Fatima Center and Taylor Marshall, and others I’m sure I’m leaving out. There is just something not right about watching/listening to laymen discuss the latest Church developments as though it was a show on the evening news, and something in which their opinions supposedly carry weight.

      (On a slightly related matter, I went looking for a video of the actual ceremony Friday evening, and one of the videos was from EWTN that turned out NOT to be about the ceremony. What immediately turned me off was the glitzy, flashy visual effects of the introduction, not to mention the female voice-over commentary, as if we were watching a football game and had to have everything explained to us. Buh-bye, EWTN!)

      I pay attention to our priests, who are the wisest shepherds I know. As for the Consecration ceremony, they participated at our local Basilica with our Bishop, and their attitude is that perhaps some good may come from it. I think that is a very good attitude to adopt, though being an impatient Italian, I’m getting fidgety….

      March 29, 2022 at 3:33 pm
      • Laura

        RCA Victor,

        I know exactly what you mean about going off the “trad talking heads”. I haven’t finished watching this one from Michael Matt but when I heard him speaking about Bishop Schneider as a personal friend, I was put off. I thought priests and bishops were supposed to be spiritual fathers to everyone, not best pals with one or two special friends among the laity.
        https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/5907-the-new-world-over-why-resets-fail

        March 29, 2022 at 5:38 pm
      • editor

        Laura,

        I’ve only seen a bit of that video, as well – and I agree about the “friendship” thing; it’s very sensitive ground. I will watch the rest, though, as it does look to be interesting, and Michael does put things together well, joining up lots of dots. So, thanks for posting.

        March 29, 2022 at 9:02 pm
    • Laura Reply

      Josephine,

      I agree, no lawyer would ignore the rules of evidence in a case without getting an earful from the judge, LOL!

      March 29, 2022 at 5:42 pm
  • Margaret Mary Reply

    I had to search for this thread but just have to post something since there is no let up to the warring going on in the world as this report today shows in Russia/Ukraine conflict
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russia-accuses-ukraine-of-using-two-military-helicopters-to-attack-fuel-depot-on-russian-soil/ar-AAVKf2L?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=78d57d85da4b4927b27b7316049e5f48

    Can we take it as read that last Friday’s consecration has not been too well received in Heaven? That’s my reading of it, very sadly.

    April 1, 2022 at 4:35 pm

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